Serious question. These are men whose massive success and popularity came, in large part, from being kind and good to people. I can understand if you throw out Rogers as being an exemplary blue-piller and how the children's entertainment complex ate that up.

But Wooden was a college basketball coach, and perhaps the best ever. Some of the most prototypical alphas in the country flocked to his program, and when he passed away many of them wept like a baby.

To ascend to the kind of success that either of them had must've taken some real tenacity and RP level frame holding, yet they constantly portrayed many of the behaviors that a number of our rank would frown upon.

If I'm missing something vital, don't jump down my throat. I haven't thought too deeply about this. But I read a Wooden quote and I wondered what this sub would say about men like these.