If a woman is rejected by an attractive male, she becomes more bitter towards an accepting male who is unattractive.

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Women tend to be very insecure about their sexual market value, even more so than men. The two best defense mechanisms plain and ugly women have to maintain a high-self esteem with regard to their market value are:

Secure the attention/dick of high-status attractive men. These men will not commit, but many women believe that fucking an 8/10 in a ONS makes them at least an 8/10
Secure the attention/simpery of unattractive men. Basically make sure every unattractive man in her vicinity is in a relationship with her such that their inferiority to her is confirmed. This can be accomplished directly, via prostitution of sugar daddying, or indirectly via doormat friendzoners who attend to her every grievance in exchange for pretend sympathy and no pussy.

Her biggest fears are 1. Confirmation she is not in the same league as the attractive men she fucks, and 2. confirmation that she is in the same league as the unattractive men she sees herself superior to.

If she gets hit hard in the number 1 (via a rejection from an attractive man) she doubles down on making sure she's not gonna be hit with number 2, so she acts bitter towards the unattractive men, with whom affection or a relationship would be the confirmation that she is merely average.

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This, I believe, is why low-n counts for women is so important to men. A man does not want to fuck a woman who compares him unfavorably to some fling she had in the past. For some one-night-stand? Sure, I'm sure men would actually prefer a more experienced woman for a ONS, but for a long-term committed relationship? I dunno. How can you be sure she isn't fantasizing about that one time she fucked a Division 1 quarterback, or the time she fucked a 6'8" bodybuilder and felt she was eloping with a giant?

But are there alpha-widowers, same as alpha-widows? Would a man feel less reason to grant his full passions, enthusiasm, and love for a 5/10 he's in a relationship with given he's fucked 9/10s in the past?

IMO, yes, there are alpha-widowers, but this phenomenon is far less common than alpha-widows. Why? It's because any man who has fucked a 8/10 in a one night fling could very easily get a woman of that caliber or better for a long-term relationship, but a woman who fucked a 8/10 for a one-night fling very likely could not secure him for a long-term relationship. Thus in most long-term relationships, the average woman the man has fucked prior to the relationship is likely far less attractive than the woman he is currently involved with, but the men the woman fucked prior to the relationship are likely much hotter than the man she is currently involved with.

As much as this is contrived to be just insecurity and male-ego, no person, woman or man, deserves to commit to someone who sees them as inferior and not worth the full passions of their partner. That's why divorce, and likewise happy marriages, are inversely correlated with the woman's n-count. (I imagine there's a similar effect for men too).

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A man does not want to fuck a woman who compares him unfavorably to some fling she had in the past

Low N-counts are important because it demonstrates several key factors of behavioral action useful for comparative valuation:

Her level of discernment (useless on its own, vital when cross-indexed with almost any other criterion)
Her ability to attract and keep high value men
Her skill at filtering partners
Perhaps most importantly, her goal preparation

Secure high value men aren't comparing themselves to past partners (or anyone, really), so long as they understand the incompatibility involved. But the corollary is that the women these men are pursuing aren't holding past partners to any present standard by continually accruing value.

But are there alpha-widowers, same as alpha-widows?

Maybe somewhere between the sheer border of "desperate" and "luxury of options." High value men can, should, and do apply more stringent partner requirements because there is no point in a low value encounter, no matter how short. So it's not so much about alpha widowing as it is about just not having to dip into the gutter for a relatively sufficient sexual interaction. A nut is a nut, it's important to store it in a safe spot.

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Y’all love to put us low n count women on such pedestals but we are the most alpha widowed out there. Most low n women secure commitment of the highest forms early on.

Because we practice extreme discernment, the “average guy” is probably more invisible to us than he is to even high n women.

So while we appreciate all the compliments, I find the same men who hate sluts don’t have what it takes to pull very low n, decently attractive women.

I’m an rather exclusive with my body and my sexuality because I know most men are trash and I honestly have too much self confidence to get “ran through” or used by one. Most men are not willing to wait for sex and behave bitterly when a women they’re attracted to doesn’t sleep with them. They don’t want to court properly or spend money to plan and execute amazing dates. It’s just like that’s totally fine, but it is what it is.

I’ve never had a problem getting commitment but I’ve always waited until it was worth it. Ended up in 2 LTRs with two great men at the time. I’m newly single due to long distance and I’m opting out of dating all together rn to focus on myself. That’s what us low n ladies are doing. Cut the desperation to be on OLD out and youre already in a better head space than everyone else.

I feel like y’all need a book called “how to bag a virgin with as little effort as possible while also not offering much either” cause the second it comes for paying for multiple consecutive dates (don’t have to be expensive) in a row and showing a woman you can invest in getting to know her mind rather than her body - y’all want to throw a fit.

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My sweet summer child. That behaviour is not exclusive to fuckboys, every gamer has a similar attitude. Even the greatest loser around will play mind games in order to get laid. Instinct is the same for all men.

And because every woman is expecting that someone is playing games to sleep with them they might very well assume that someone that's treating them like a normal person to not sleep with them is still trying to sleep with them and being predatory.

Do men here only date FDS, f**ks sake?

It absolutely is logically coherent that any woman you might be courting is sleeping with at least one person other than you. Maybe 4. That woman making you wait is telling you you're of no value to them.

Absurd and not realistic at all.

Dated a few nothing special. I don't want it. I don't believe in the idea of 'sluts' but I definitely don't want a woman that's 30 and had 30 partners.

How does a high Libido woman suddenly go asexual? Makes no sense.

She wants a provider and is realizing she can't get commitment out of someone she actually wants to have sex with.

men that continue to court her

Wow, even you, a woman that claims that you're average at the very best, can acknowledge that even average and below average woman want fuckboys.

Duh, I already knew that.

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You have foresight over being pumped and dumped, but thanks to modern society, you as a woman, are in no dire financial straits and can support yourself independently without a man's charity. This is a good thing, as women like you aren't forced to elope with men you'd prefer not to to have a place to live, but because of this, you've become discerning to a fault.

I'm not saying this about you in specific, but most women who use the line "most men are trash" do so out of a similar defense mechanism to the one I outlined. You can't easily secure the brand of commitment you want, from the men you believe are of your caliber. Most high value women, and men, would not be so disparaging of the opposite gender, as they would have been treated so well by that opposite gender (if they were high value) that they wouldn't have the need to go on /r/purplepilldebate and complain. Same thing with /r/theredpill, they probably have 0 high value males.

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I know you think as a man you know how attractive low n women operate. Interesting that you did not comment on much of what I said about the average men not having what it takes to actually secure a low n woman. All of the traits he admires about her are the exact barriers he knows he won’t or can’t overcome to date her.

Also saying “most men are trash” unfortunately, is common among all women haha, although I concede it was a blanket generalization but let me expand...

Ever wonder why low n women have the brains to not sleep with most men, even ones they’re attracted to? Because they’re not that impressed with what they’ve seen. Its not an insult, it’s just observation and preference. Most men want sex and because of it treat women in ways that turn women off. The more accurate statement is most men are unattractive, some men including attractive ones are objectively trash.

For example, I have an hour glass figure. I actually believe it is because of this that I have grown up ultra conservative with who I share my body and romance with. 90% of the male population is attracted to the mere shape of my body. Due to this I and many other women of all body types can confidently say that a lot of men behave in extremely trashy ways. Ever been on a date and just felt like you were a meal the dude was ready to eat?

I realize now how safe I feel in LTRs with men who treat me well and love so many more things than just my body proportions and look.

BTW women are multifaceted people, and while we don’t sit and game all day like so many men do, we still enjoy intellectual discussions and debate. Being on PPD and reddit in general definitely has lessened my attraction for both men and myself for engaging with incels so much lol. But I’ll take the hit during this quarantine and while I’m bored. And hey, if that means I’m ugly and desperate to the average disgruntled PPDer, it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make since my real life doesn’t reflect this (yet) haha.

But I will say I’ve learned way too much about male nature to regret being here. Before this I suspected being low n was important, but I now know what an absolute weapon it is for women. I encourage my friends to be low n for so so so many reasons. At first it was simply to keep the users away from us (yes the Chads!!!). Now I understand it’s been a big part of helping me secure very healthy and loving multi year relationships with attractive successful men (2 so far).

Like yeah I’m probably considered “alpha widowed. But my point is most low n women are.So what are all the men who complain going to do to get the kind of women they want? Do everything they complain about - wait for sex and pay for dates in the meantime? Lol just shedding light on the reality is all.

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Because they’re not that impressed with what they’ve seen

80/20 rule, classic redpill.

I have grown up ultra conservative

Probably the reason you have a low-n count, you were raised to value relative chastity.

Ever been on a date and just felt like you were a meal the dude was ready to eat?

Funny because I've heard women recall experiences with men like this in a very complementary fashion. They were turned on by how they could see the man's aggressive sexuality seeping through the cracks.

I think the issue is that you, and nearly all women, find the sexual expression of average and unattractive men to be disgusting. They wanna fuck, and you can't have that, your brain goes "get those low value genes away from me, I'm not offering 9 months of prime real estate and a chance of dying for your mediocre ass.

Sadly most men are raised with an unnatural confidence that it's possible for women to find them sexy just as is. Men don' get hypergamy because they don't want to get it, because it's 4 times more likely they're on the losing side than the winning side. If every man was given a Pussy License that specified their sexual market value at age 15, a lot of them would resent the fact their sexual destiny is over-the-hill single moms and starfish sex, but at least these men wouldn't be hoping for a blowjob from a high value woman like you after a Surf n Turf special at Red Lobster, right?

but I now know what an absolute weapon it is for women.

You know, you could just lie about being low-n to a future partner. They won't know.

So what are all the men who complain going to do to get the kind of women they want? Do everything they complain about - wait for sex and pay for dates in the meantime?

Yes and that's why there are so many men here complaining. Though they may, despite as much as they cope trying to manage an alternative future, understand that they are destined to never catch the lustful attention of women, they will continue to vent and offer alternatives, even suggesting that women be forced to marry at a young age just so they don't run the risk of eloping with Chad and fucking everything up for them. The male and female sexualities are at natural odds, so you'll never find harmony between the sexes.

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99.99999% of women don’t do that. The study didn’t include the vast majority of the world’s female population did it?

Yes some do, but many of us don’t. Unless declining to date a less attractive man is considered being bitter.

Also, we don’t have access to the full study. At least I don’t. I don’t have an account for that site.

And women are less likely to ask out men they like unless there is a sign he is interested. In this study, we presumably have women asking them out or expressing interest in some way? Were they asked to randomly express interest to hot men who walk into the room, without knowing if the man would even be interested? That’s not how women do things, we look for signs. So if the women in this study were rejected based on some cold approach, then their reaction does not reflect usual female dating behaviour because cold approach does not reflect normal female dating behaviour.

It would be helpful to have access to the full study.

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But most women never proactively initiate, and the ones that do only do so in positions free of risk in which they feel certain of success, which is also why rejection hits so doubly hard for them: it outlines their cognitive dissonance in shiny, glittering crayon.

Men have no qualms about success through attrition. Your average guy in any given venue will scope out prospects and then just go down the line until someone is down (doesn't work in groups though, rejection by one woman is a rejection by the whole female social posse). This is also why low value men send unsolicited dick pics; statistically it will work eventually (and there is no female shaming from social peers).

But women harbor around a single vector of dynamic, and cue the sentimental investment which fuels egregious expectations. If it conks out then of course there's some kind of backup, but it's not treated with the same reverence or enthusiasm. Thus the impetus for AF/BB.

The salient question is: on the whole, who is more realistic about their prospects regarding the methodology between men and women?

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I'm literally a woman. The experience of being a woman isn't that. If ya'll are just asking out every girl you are attracted to then you don't have standards. That makes you desperate and annoying as shit.

If you ask out every girl you meet then of course the girls are going to talk to each other and say, "Hey this guy is annoying, he won't leave us alone and is clearly just looking for anyone to fuck." It's not that one girls says no and then the rest join in to just spite a guy.

I've asked out guys before and have been rejected and not because they were interested in someone else or taken, but because they just weren't interested in me. Asking out anyone has a risk of rejection, nobody is guaranteed.

Women don't share dick pics, we are funny king annoyed by then and will discuss the fact that we get sent them. Yes you may find a woman eventually if you send enough of them, but she will only be interested to fuck. In the process you will have annoyed a fuck ton of women and gained a reputation for being, "That guy."

If you are going around doing it all like that then you are doing it wrong. You are also sitting there and acting as if men don't have emotions or romantic feeling and you are just sat there degrading yourselves and wondering why you feel so shit.

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I'm literally a woman.

Un/fortunately, your sanctimonious privilege doesn't extend here.

~~The~~ MY experience of being a woman isn't that

No one cares about your anecdotal evidence.

It's not that one girls says no and then the rest join in to just spite a guy.

You're right, it's about female sexual suppression because if her friends passed him by but she didn't, then they aren't getting the same market value for sex. So they shame her to control it.

Here, have a source to completely ignore:

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Cultural-Suppression-of-Female-Sexuality-Baumeister-Twenge/26cf592c500860d43ceab39d21816654e53e9c6c

Women don't share dick pics

Out of all the drivel you spouted, this is the most blatant and insidious lie. Now you've dissuaded even the lurkers from listening to what you might have to say.

Yes you may find a woman eventually if you send enough of them, but she will only be interested to fuck.

Congratulations, you somehow inadvertently stumbled upon the point.

In the process you will have annoyed a fuck ton of women and gained a reputation for being, "That guy."

Why are you under the mistaken assumption that low value men care what you think?

If you are going around doing it all like that then you are doing it wrong.

Imagine being so conceited that you tell low value men that achieving their goals is wrong just because you don't like it, while also being directly responsible for disenfranchising them in the first place.

You are also sitting there and acting as if men don't have emotions or romantic feeling and you are just sat there degrading yourselves and wondering why you feel so shit.

Is this your attempt at psycholanalysis? Mad cus bad, don't quit your day job.

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Nope it doesn't matter about the male viewpoint because even if you are trying to play the numbers game, if all you are doing is coming across as a creep towards women, then there is no point. Very few of the guys I know actually take this approach apart from mabye on dating sites designed for that shit. The reason they don't do that stuff is because it rarely works and they know to just leave people to exist for the most part.

Also it's always harassment regardless if you look good or not. I don't give a damn if a guy looks physically attractive, if I say I'm not interested it ends at that. It's interesting that you seem to know what women want despite not being a woman.

We don't like being randomly approached on the street, nor do we like your creepy dms. If you approach someone and they reject it just be polite and move on with your day.

Also approaching women anywhere apart from mabye the club or a bar, expecting a hookup is going to get you absolutely nowhere. Even if you are at a club, we are just likely not interested. You can sit there and act as if you know how women work and feel but you don't.

If women are telling you that we don't like something, don't tell us that we are lying or that it doesn't matter. We are giving you advice and being ignorant isn't going to make things work for you, no matter your viewpoint.

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I've been outside, this attitude is pervasive among real life feminists. Women on the street think they're better than us, listen to how they fucking talk.

I'm genuinely concerned for you if you believe this, how do you even come to a conclusion like that? A quote like that is something you'd hear from someone with extreme paranoia in a movie, sheesh.

Why do you think women are getting married less? Because they think we men aren't worthy, that's why.

The declining marriage rates are much more complex than "women believe men aren't worthy" if you did a simple google search you'd know that. Growing income inequality, changing social attitudes, lowering economic prospects, are just a few. The main reason cited for people who aren't married yet is that they don't believe that they're in a financial place where it would make sense. You're just going to ignore the data on this?

Why else do you see crowds of women cheering when a man gets his cock chopped off by his wife for no reason?

Again, you're bringing up things that aren't related to your conclusion. This is a highly controversial video from nearly a decade ago on a specific television show with a specific audience of a specific worldview. You have no idea what the beliefs of the people in the crowd are. I'd argue that it's immoral that they'd laugh at a case of violence like that. It does nothing to support your argument that all feminists, let alone all women believe that they're superior.

Come on, try and refute anything I said. You're the one who doesn't get outside. Stop simping for them.

Your argument doesn't even stand up to basic scrutiny, crazy how you have the confidence to say that like you "got me" lmao.

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I'm genuinely concerned for you if you believe this, how do you even come to a conclusion like that? A quote like that is something you'd hear from someone with extreme paranoia in a movie, sheesh.

Then you've never been to a Women's Studies class, clearly. I'm genuinely concerned for how little you've experienced of this world.

Growing income inequality, changing social attitudes, lowering economic prospects, are just a few.

In other words, men earning less is making them less attractive as mates. I mean, if you even bothered to do your research

You have no idea what the beliefs of the people in the crowd are.

I judge their beliefs entirely by their actions.

It does nothing to support your argument that all feminists, let alone all women believe that they're superior.

Any intelligent person realizes that if you believe it's okay to be violent toward someone just because they exist, you clearly believe you're superior.

Your argument doesn't even stand up to basic scrutiny, crazy how you have the confidence to say that like you "got me" lmao.

You have not backed up a shred of what you've said with any evidence whatsoever. You've refuted nothing, you've made zero semblance of a point here. You have no counter case whatsoever except to rant "b-b-b-but I don't believe!" Your argument has zero basis in fact.

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Okay let me distill this down so it's more understandable to you. You're making the positive claim, you've stated that you believe feminists, and largely women believe they are superior to men. You've provided me with 1. an anecdote, 2. a 9 year old youtube video about an assault case, and 3. speculation about marriage declining because women believe men are unworthy. The anecdote is meaningless as you never pointed to anything concrete at all, the youtube video is a contextless piece about a woman at some point in history mutilating her husband, and your statement about women believing men are less worthy partners is merely one piece of a larger sociological phenomenon. You haven't built a case at all, this evidence even wouldn't pass as a middle school persuasive paper. Bring evidence, not whatever that was lmao.

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Let me distill this down so you can comprehend it: you have presented absolutely nothing to support your stance except your own unfounded opinions. Period. Your attacks on my evidence is as such lacking in any credibility whatsoever. My evidence is unimpeachable and impossible to contradict. Aside from one anecdote it is all established historical fact. The only reason you lie and claim the abuse story has no context is because it contradicts the lies that you want people to believe about feminism. Your "your statement about women believing men are less worthy partners is merely one piece of a larger sociological phenomenon" is bullshit because you cannot and will not point out what sociological phenomenon is behind it - because the only phenomenon behind it is a rising culture of misandry. You know that and that's why you spouted that gibberish. At this point all you're doing is relying on chaff and flare to keep the missiles from homing in on your weak narrative.

The truth is that you're only here to peddle the fraudulent claim that feminism is about equality and just like a MAGA dude you have nothing but disdain for the established facts.

You will not come up with citations that refute mine. You will not ever be able to refute anything I said.

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You've never met one in real life. Nor have you been to a women's studies class (I have). Nor have you heard of Julie Bindel, Valerie Solanas, Radfemhub, TwoXChromosomes, FD$, or half the other radfem subs here. You've never seen crowds of women cheer a woman for cutting off a man's dick without provocation or women go "you go, girl!" when they see a woman publicly abusing a man. You've never heard of the Musuo society, a matriarchy in China where men cannot even own property, or Noiva do Cordeiro, the colony in Brazil where men aren't allowed to live. Feminists say that women can't rape men. They also say that domestic abuse is something only men can do to women, which is why lesbian abusers are known to be able to walk right into DV shelters to pursue their victims completely undeterred. (It's called misandry and it hurts women, too.) I got banned from TWO feminism subs for bringing that one up. Oh and let's not forget toxic masculinity where feminist doctrine blames ~~men~~patriarchy for men being forced to conform to unrealistic and toxic expectations of masculinity, totally ignoring how female nature contributes heavily to the problem.

I can do this all day if you want.

Oh damn did I forget? Feminism says misandry isn't a thing. And they invented the phrases "Men are trash" and "Kill all men."

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Let us consider who is representative for what (just ignore those rhetorical parts that are irrelevant, it is a great comment so I will not chop it up):

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/695m34/karen_straughans_response_to_those_arent_real/

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

Feminism is hateful and disgusting just like its founders and leaders, and just like those few murderous, mentally-ill incels who murdered women for being women and who virtually never had anything to do with Men's rights activism and who only cared about their inceldom. Some random on the internet denying this basic fact does not change the truth.

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I think men and women are equally capable of being awful.

I am a feminist, I know a lot of feminists, I work with feminists daily.... and none of the feminists I know have ever said or implied that women are somehow "better" than men.

You are taking a few angry awful women and blowing it up into "all women" and it means you arguments lack any kind of since, especially when you throw the idea out there when zero women have said anything negative about men in this thread you are posting on.

This is YOUR bias at work. You hear man hating when it isn't happening. You assume feminists mind sets when you don't read any feminist writing and don't talk to any feminists in real life. You discount women actually saying "I do not believe this". Through your ignorance, lack of research and disbelief in what women tell you... you've made it impossible for you to have any kind of realistic perspective on women or feminist thought. And that makes your arguments bad. Not just wrong (which they are) but BAD. Poorly argued. Poorly thought through. And incoherent to the context.

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If anything you said was true, Toxic masculinity theory wouldn't even be a thing.

Your total lack of ability to substantiate or provide citations for anything you've said shows that you are the one who is spouting ignorance. You have the gall to accuse me of not doing research after I substantiated my claims with a whole lot more documented facts than you have ever presented here. You are the one with the piss poor arguments. You are the one who is flailing around with zero evidence to support your denials of reality. I have documented feminist thought and shown it to you, you do nothing but attack me and rant about how what I cited just ain't true because you can't stand to face reality. And "I do not believe this" is the female version of "not all men" aka NAFALT. So we can add "totally unhelpful" to your list of failures here.

You're blocked now. You no longer get a chance to come at me. Your case is done and dead.

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Korean men kill themselves less frequently because they are resilient?

I didn't intent to use the whole article just the part about how men have on average significantly higher resilience than women.

Because men in the US kill themselves more frequently than women in the US.

It is the case in the whole world, men kill themselves more than women between twice to 5 times more. Korea is in the lower side with 2.3, the us is in middle around 3 times.

Being resilient does not mean being stupid or impervious to problems, just that you will persevere until it is reasonable to do so. If you grind until you can but you find yourself within a suffering state and has no reasonable way to escape for the next few decades. You kill yourself. That is the reasonable thing to do That is called "rational suicide" a hot topic I wish you also to read about.

Again women don't suffer rejection (or adversities in general) as much, so to them it is something novel, they don't develop resiliency. That is also why they make fake suicide attempts, instead of killing themselves seriously.

If anything it just show how worse women deal with adversities. Instead of dealing with it (aka developing resilience) some prefer to make show suicides with methods which are clearly not intended to kill oneself but to ask for help in a ridiculous manner. Women cannot deal correctly with adversities even when it comes to suicide it seems. Suicide is your last hope. You kill yourself when there is no reasonable other way out of suffering for the next decade or so. Emphasis on REASONABLE. What a sorry state modern women are.

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Sure! See it all the time. Again, the people who frequent this sub aren't the same people in the subcultures or hobbies/lifestyles where you see it. Reddit is huge but it still (in my opinion) attracts one particular social type or milieu or swath of social class or whatever you call it. There are others who spend little to no time on social media, and that's where you see it (in my experience).

As I have said in this sub before, a huge one is bookish upper middles. They don't care much for current events at all. I worked with these people for 36 years. They're a whole social class or culture all their own. They aren't the same as hipsters--hipsters are hyper aware of the world around them. These are the Presbyterian types who arrive at work early and stay late. The ones who live, eat, and breathe work. The ones who usually get promoted quickly. They mostly read fiction. Often they are the type to say "I don't watch the news; it's too unpleasant." They are real into books, restaurants, and that kind of status rather than the kind of status that comes from dating the prom king or queen. They are the ones who keep the corporation afloat, bless their hearts. They date and marry for what looks to me like safe reliability and good solid family life with no upheaval. Nothing dodgy. They don't care if they are thought boring. Jokes about tan minivans don't faze them. From what I have seen, the women don't have to put in a millisecond of time on their looks and the men are completely loyal. I think they are from another planet, but they exist and you'll find them in the corner office when they aren't down at the Presbyterian church or the occasional French restaurant. These people want nothing to do with Reddit because they have heard vaguely that it's got some bad areas. Probably also they consider it a waste of time. To me, they often seem woefully unaware of current events. But they know who's hired the trendy chef away from the previous "it" restaurant and opened the new "it" restaurant. These people aren't effete like hipsters, because they produce, unlike certain hipsters who in my opinion take all their self-esteem from what they "like" and consume. These Presbyterian upper middles majored in Classics and stuff but they always have good jobs in big corporations and their kids always stay in line. They were just predestined, if you will, to study hard, work hard, and rise in the corporation and be happy with that lifestyle and stay faithfully, happily married not caring about looks. I haven't said that much about their looks but they don't spend time on looks. They aren't very physical. It kind of seems "suspect" to them to focus on that rather than the "life of the mind." I forgot to mention some are academics, but many other academics are the sorts of strivers who care very much about trumpteing their status and climbing the social ladder. These people care about nothing but family, books (mostly fiction, but if nonfiction, it's always the latest dumb pabulum bestseller) restaurants, and work. They aren't dumb as far as work but they seem to me quite unaware of social currents and don't care for that sort of thing. It's hard to describe them because I grew up working class and hardly ever met this sort before I worked in a corporation--except when I was a young piano student and they had whole colleges devoted to women learning piano and opera and stuff like that. They had piano clubs in their homes and were unfailingly gracious, but seriously they seem to live for stuff like the high arts and don't think much about current events except what restaurant to go to after the opera. I've seen them be faithful to their 400-pound spouses for 30, 40, 50 years. They never have family drama other than the occasional alcoholic family member who never quite got a career going.

Finally I will move on to a whole different subculture. There are people so extremely outdoorsy that all they want to do is move somewhere remote for the forests or the hiking and they may not interact with "civilization" for weeks or months. They like to backpack and choose their spouses for backpacking and stuff like that rather than looks or status. They need a spouse who is into their outdoor lifestyle and other than being fit, how the person looks doesn't seem to matter as much as for us strivers who seem to make up a lot of Reddit. There are people so in love with the outdoors they are willing to move where there are few dating prospects, because they love the outdoors so much. Another hobby/subculture like this is amateur astronomy. They are some of the best people I have ever met, as are the hiker types. They need spouses who are into their hobby and they raise their whole families to go on long trips doing the hobby. They choose spouses in the hobby. Looks are secondary. There are other subcultures like this based around particular hobbies, some of which I am so totally not into but lots of people are. Some advice given to women who aren't finding success on the mainstream dating apps or in bars, etc., is to get into one of these lifestyle-hobbies, although some of these hobbies I cannot stand. But it's what some people care about. I've seen some of the funniest-looking Olive Oyl types find complete happiness and faithful, devoted spouses in one of these hobby subcultures.

Then there's folk music. This is a subculture that is hardly ever seen or heard outside their subculture. People think the South and Midwest etc. are all rednecks but there are chill folk-music types who are very smart and aware but don't care for city life nor do they care for social media. Their response to the rat race is to not give one flipping crap. They all meet at flat-picking campouts, that sort of thing. They overlap with the outdoorsy people somewhat. Many are do-good Methodist or Quaker types. If you want to see people who don't give a flip about conventional looks requirements happy and loving each other up, go to a folk music concert. Usually you'll find them by flyers in coffeehouses in small college towns. The only drawback is I don't like the music. That's fine; they like it plenty. They kind of keep to themeselves and their own lifestyles and don't get on social media. They hold jobs but don't give a flip about the rat race. Status and striving are suspect.

Then there's the working class, especially the parts that haven't fallen into some of the pathologies plaguing the working class. There are also ethnic subcultures within mostly the working class who don't seem as into looks as they are into family loyalty. Many still hold Old World values from their countries of origin of a generation or two back I guess you'd say.

Long story short, the strivers who care a very great deal about a certain kind of status of which looks are a big part, yes it's a lot of people and yes it's a lot of people on Reddit, and I think that's partly a function of the middle class on the make from which social media often draws. Just a hunch. There are subcultures in the USA that aren't strivers maybe because they don't feel the need to be, and looks aren't as bound up with status. Beauty is still beauty but it doesn't seem to affect them the same way it affects those of us with something to prove or something we feel we are lacking. Long story short I feel that social media and the whole red pill, blue pill, purple pill thing has a lot to do with social class and striving and we don't understand that part because in the USA we don't talk about social class. I think there is a whole swath of strivers with chips on our shoulders (I'm definitely one) because we saw other people get more status than we got, and we didn't understand why them and it didn't seem fair. Other people don't seem as affected by this hunger for (what do you call it? Status and also partly approval, acceptance)

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Me again, I forgot to mention a close cousin to the "outdoorsy" type is the farmers who are tied to the land. I am not sure if people on Reddit are very aware of these people other than the occasional joke about them having to date through farmer-type personal ads, but these people are tied to the land due to having inherited it and/or being in total love with the land. They also can't leave the animals for long at a time. Mainstream society makes fun but many of these people are so in love with the land they willingly face many hardships including a very, very small dating pool. Far and away the first thing they care about is the land and they can't leave it. If and when they do find a spouse, often the spouse takes a job in a nearby city in order to supplement the income, but they can't afford to pine after the prom queen because for one thing the prom queen promptly leaves town the minute she turns 18 because there are better and easier jobs in the city. But some people grow up on inherited land and love it so much they don't ever want to leave. They date through farmer ads I guess, or date whoever has also stayed local, and people make fun of them for it, not realizing or feeling the love for the land. This kind of love for the land is in the hearts of the "outdoorsy" type who wants to be a forest ranger for instance, as well as the farmer or rancher who won't leave the inherited land...well you get the idea. The social swath that gets on Reddit does not always understand this pull and the larger society makes fun of it sometimes, but some people really do feel it. You probably know the story of Ree Drummond, the Pioneer Woman. She was from New York and just visiting back in Oklahoma and went to a bar one night and there was the Marlboro Man, son of a famous big rancher in line to inherit. Where was he going to find a beautiful woman? he managed to run into one who was on vacation. One who was willing to make that her new home.

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Title	If a woman is rejected by an attractive male, she becomes more bitter towards an accepting male who is unattractive.
Author	pleantrees
Upvotes	244
Comments	352
Date	October 6, 2020 10:55 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/j6fijp/if_a_woman_is_rejected_by_an_attractive_male_she/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/if-a-woman-is-rejected-by-an-attractive-male-she.321983 https://theredarchive.com/post/321983