The objection men have to the "innocent" image of women has almost nothing to do with a woman's capability of traditionally "bad" behavior. A poster recently mentioned things like cartoons being racist and other generally villainous behavior. Men already know that women write bad checks, get in hit and run accidents etc.

Basically painting a picture that "women aren't perfect." That they're "human too." Yes, men understand that. And they work tirelessly to excuse that, in my opinion.

But this isn't addressing the actual grievance men have with women, in my opinion. I believe that men, when they speak about the "innocent" image women have, imagine that they will find women who aren't hyperamous.

That they'll find women, who will love them unconditionally, so long as they do not mistreat her. And that if he treats her well, does what she says or asks for, that he'll be rewarded with love, respect and admiration from his partner. Because the image that is projected of women, is that they are looking for her prince charming.

So what you'd be looking for are examples of women in media that act hypergamous. Cheat on, divorce and leave good men for more masculine men and then insinuate such a thing is how it is, or should be, NOT that they're the villain.

Another way they will excuse this is by portraying the man as either abusive or completely inept.

What men are objecting to is their experiences with women after they learn that being masculine is more important than being a good person.

So if you think there are a lot of examples that paint the point of being masculine is more important than being a good person in terms of female relationships and arousal, it'd be interesting to see. Remember, this shouldn't be framed in a way that the man does anything wrong, except for failing the duty of performance. That is, not being masculine enough.

At best, this is very neutral. It is a "tough break" moment. And this is what separates red and blue here. The tough break, is fine.

It's what happens afterwards that men talk about here as well. The rest of the character arc will be a man finding a woman who is "not like that." It'll be the girl who loves him "for him." Of course, the underlying implication here is the woman who was sleeping with the mailman when he came home early is bad and of course, this new girl is different and good.

I would challenge you to find movies that project the underlying understanding that this new girl, given the right circumstances, just as likely to sleep with the mailman.

Now some blues may object that this is "too dark, not realistic" and explain how they and their friends are of course, not like that. They are of course all unicorns. But even a good portion of blue users understand when they stop being masculine enough that these things can and will happen to them.

And so ultimately, that is the objection to women in media. That many men understand that women are hypergamous, and that media rarely paints this as how women *are*, and that such a thing is acceptable. In fact, most depictions of hypergamy, the women occupy antagonist positions within the story.

e.g. In the notebook, the setup for Noah is her mother throwing away the letters he sends her. If you remove that plot mechanic it's just a woman cheating on her fiance. But instead, it's steamy romantic hypergamous showdown.

If you really pay attention, most romantic movies have some mechanic like this to excuse this behavior.

And in real life, they plot mechanics are rarely present, obviously. Ask yourself, why are these plot mechanics in the movies?

This is best illustrated in one of the worst written and produced movies ever made.

Lisa in The Room cheats on her boyfriend Johnny with his best friend, because she considers Johnny boring. Then again, we're not meant to find Lisa very sympathetic, but given that it's Johnny, this can backfire with audiences.

Lisa is written as an antagonist, but since the viewers actually have no bond with Johnny, the character arc seems completely pointless. Because ultimately, the audience expects to either demonize this behavior or to accept\understand it by framing said male poorly.

I think the exceptions prove the rule. Media paints women as non-hypergamous, and when they do show hypergamy, they excuse it.