This is a re-post of Red Pill gold.
Submitted over a year ago, it appeared when our blessed male space was probably less than half its current size. When I first came here, crawling away from a relationship which ended after my ass got beaten half to death by 3 White Knights, I was lucky enough to read it. It cut to my fucking core, and helped me put a giant foot forward in killing my inner beta.
This sub is now much larger and still growing at a pace that's multiple times faster than your average tech startup trading on the NASDAQ. Sadly, this post has been hidden within the depths of The Red Pill archives.
I say fuck that. It deserves better. This is a "greatest ever" type of post, and any newbies who've stumbled here during their darkest moments need to read this shit, save it, and re-read it in the future. I don't want you to progress at the same pace as I did; I want you to surpass it. Be better than me. That's why I'm here. Great men gave me the exact same treatment a year ago, and I owe it to them to follow in their footsteps.
And most importantly, enjoy. This shit is just as funny as it is true.
This entry was originally posted in The Empty Halls of University of Man on May 21 at 12 AM, as a gift to you from Professor Mentu
Bottom-feeding scum sucking Cory Catfish, thy name is beta.
Thank you for cleaning the algae and fecal remains of bigger, stronger, faster fish from the pond of society. You are the homeless guy I give my leftovers to, packaged in a glossy takeout box from a restaurant you could never afford. You, beta, are the malleable putty that fills the karmic gap between what she wants and what she deserves. If ever there was an exultant scavenger, a happy beggar, or a willful fool foraging through the rotting leftovers of discarded femdom like a soon-to-be roadkill raccoon, it's you. Thank you for your service.
A man with options would never put a ring on anger that's been wrapped around a dozen cocks.
A man with options would never pay the ultimate price of commitment for a born-again virgin fucktoy.
A man with options would never let his son's first home be a womb that's seen more traffic than I-35 during rush hour.
A man with options would never allow his son's first kiss to come from the lips of a mouth that's hosted lotsa cocksa.
A man with options would never let his son's first nourishment come from a rack that can be viewed on any number of cell phones.
A man with options would never let his son's first throne be the lap of a woman who's been passed around like a blunt at a frat party.
A man with options would never be a dickstand for a woman who squandered her youth and beauty on the men who respected her the least.
A man with options would never consider being the last man standing at the end of a long line of conquests she racked up while being the Grand Marshall of a rather impressive cock parade.
Do men with options pass up on whores because of religious ethics?
Sometimes.
Do men with options pass up on whores because a promiscuous lifestyle stunts a woman's ability to bond with her husband and children?
Yeah, I reckon.
Do men with options avoid committing to whores because of social pride?
I certainly hope so.
But there's one gloriously simple, easy to define and even easier to defend reason why men with options do not marry whores: They don't have to. Beta males have four primary deficits when it comes to making sound relationship decisions, which leads them to permanently settle down with Gangbang Barbie after the rest of us are done with her.
The Art of Whore: Why Betas Marry Leftovers
(1) Their inability to identify a whore/slut
Thanks to a lack of experience with women, betas believe that a whore is a filthy girl who will sleep with just about anybody. When their pea-sized brains conjure up the idea of a whore, they imagine a woman who stops at a red light, sees a man waiting at a bus stop, and has an unbelievable urge to put the car in park and go bang him. Betas think a whore is a girl who goes out to the bar four nights a week and bangs four different men. Dead wrong.
With this definition of a whore, it's no wonder why betas defend women ― they've never seen a whore. But in reality, whores are selective. In fact, they're probably the most selective women in the mating market.
The Art of Whore is displayed by women who harness their sexual power and unleash it with stunning accuracy on the men at the top of the social hierarchy ― often in a serially monogamous fashion (with a few "mistakes" along the way for good measure).
Wake up, beta. That nice girl in your social group who has a different boyfriend every three or four months on average, has casual hookups on vacation, and has that "special friend" who keeps her warm at night in between boyfriends is a two-bit worthless whore.
"But wait, Mentu! Most girls do that these days!"
Now you're getting it. Walk with me.
Whore is not about a number; it's about her decision-making abilities and the value she assigns to sexual congress. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, so the men she lets through the gates ― regardless of how many or how few ― tells you everything you need to know about her relationship value. I don't care if she's slept with 5 men or 50 men; her sexual past reveals her relationship worth and her ability to make sound decisions.
Take for instance a healthy 28-year-old woman. In my experience, your average American woman has had anywhere between 12 and 23 sexual partners by this time. Let's call it an average of 17. A reasonable man would not assume that all 17 men dumped her, or that she dumped all 17. A myriad of reasons, situations, emotions and circumstances led her to this place. So what does this tell us?
It tells us that a number of men just had fun with her (promiscuity), she had to bounce a number of men after she opened her womb to them (bad decision-making), and a number of men sampled a mini-relationship with her for a while and decided not to keep her around (low value).
So, beta, which of those 3 traits ― promiscuity, bad decision-making, and low value ― would you like to have instilled in your children? Which of those traits do you believe will make her an excellent wife? Which of these traits do you believe will not increase your likelihood of being cheated on or landing in divorce court? Can you see yourself waking up in the morning, rolling over, looking at her and thinking "Thank God I committed to a worthless whore who has a 15-year track record of making bad decisions?" Of course not.
But this leads us to the 2nd primary deficit of the beta:
(2) Their susceptibility to shaming language
Betas cower in fear and quickly acquiesce when confronted with shaming language. "I'm not like that anymore", "You can't judge me", and "A woman's worth is not decided by her sexual past" seem to be the go-to responses for women who find themselves in the awkward situation of justifying why they've banged more men than can be comfortably seated in a small Family Diner.
For the record, the correct responses are "Yes you are", "Yes I can", and when it comes to marriage, "Yes it is."
Does promiscuity make her a bad employee?
Nope.
Does it make her a bad friend?
Nah.
Does it make her an evil person who is likely to knock over a liquor store and steal a getaway car?
Not at all.
Does a promiscuous past mean she can't do good in the community and make profound societal contributions?
Of course not.
Does it make her a high-risk marriage partner and a shitty role model for your children in a society built around the family unit instead of the "it takes a village" approach?
According to the church, the Center for Disease Control, your buddy who laughs at you behind your back, biological evidence, gender anthropologists, a growing number of psychologists, your own gut instincts, and yours truly: Yes, it most certainly does.
It always amazes me how betas will agree with a woman that her past education reveals her dedication to scholarly pursuits, her past work experience reveals her quest to improve her business acumen, her past payment history reveals her credit worthiness, her past workout routine reveals her desire for a healthy lifestyle, and her past volunteer efforts reveal her heart of gold, but her past sexual habits reveal absolutely nothing. That, my beta friend, is The Art of Whore.
If you buy into that shit, you deserve whatever ill may befall you.
(3) Their unnatural dedication to the female definition of "fairness"
Here's where the rubber meets the road for most bottom-feeding beta males.
We've all heard the statement, "It's not fair that a woman who sleeps around is a whore, but men who sleep around are studs!"
There has been more than enough digital ink spilled on this topic within the manosphere, so I won't go into it. Everybody knows it's easy to be a whore, but hard to be a player ― and society doesn't award trophies for doing easy shit. It's not a double standard; it's two different standards for two different genders with two different barriers of sexual entry and two different sets of risk factors.
But forget that for a moment. For the sake of this article, let's assume that the woman's statement is true. That's right, let's assume for a moment that there is an unfair evil double standard afoot.
What the fuck do you care?
If you're a beta male looking for marriage, it's not your job to be fair ― this is your life, not a general assembly at the UN. Your job is to find the best mother for your children that you possibly can.
It doesn't matter if you banged 5,000 women on camera last night; you need to find the most competent, capable, qualified, trustworthy, physically and emotionally stable woman you possibly can to help raise your children.
Let her worry about your past and whether or not she thinks you're qualified to be their father, and you focus on her qualifications.
Come to think of it...That actually sounds quite fair, wouldn't you say?
(4) Their lack of options
When it comes to liaising with whores, Alphas are volunteers, and betas are voluntolds. The Art of Whore is not lost on the Alpha male ― they volunteer to use them for what they're good for, then pass them off to the betas who are voluntold to put a ring on their anger.
Beta, your lack of options is making you weak, distorting your judgment, and may eventually land your pansy-ass in divorce court. The Art of Whore is real, and women work to better their craft every day. What have you done lately besides make excuses for her?
Women proficient in The Art of Whore get what they want: A decade-long ride on the cock carousel with no consequences, then a willing hapless beta with open arms, an open mind, and an open wallet to cushion their landing and finance their recovery.
As long as you're standing there ready, willing and able, I honestly can't say that I blame them for taking you up on your generous offer.
From Rollo Tomassi's Article titled The Slut Paradox:
"So again I’ll ask, how many is too many? For an Alpha Widow, one’s enough. It’s my contention that the Slut Paradox isn’t a numbers game so much as it’s an Alpha impact game. What if your new partner has only banged a mere 2 men before you, but engaged in intense sexual experiences she feels self-conscious about doing with you? Is she a slut?"
I agree with this, and you often see a form of "hamstering" prevalent on TRP which attempts to ignore this.
Many men here will refer to an LTR-suited girl as having a "low partner count". But it's not low partner count that matters; it's having a partner count, period.
Everyone knows the graph of divorce rate with respect to number of wife's premarital sex partners. More premarital sex partners = higher chance of her divorcing. But take another another look and note where the biggest dropoffs are.
Every kid who isn't dirt poor has a computer in their room. Online dating is mainstream among young people, and is essentially this for women. Teenage girls are afforded sexual independence. At the very most, a girl will receive all of these things upon turning 18.
Practically speaking, every single adult woman you see is a whore. And you can't make a whore a housewife.
I think this is why back in the old days, women frequently couldn't even date let alone have sex. They knew that these sorts of things led to permanent impressions in their minds that would adversely effect their future relationships
Why quote marks? It is hamstering in its purest form. And that "low partner count" thing? Seriously? Since when TRP teaches us to trust women? It's either a virgin or God knows how many.
Quote marks because it just doesn't seem right to use "hamstering" as a normal word in it's own right--kind of like "selfie"
I've seen regular reference to women with low partner counts as being suitable for LTRs.
I guess you need to have some metrics, also, lower partner count means better at bond pairing, so it is anyway important, that even if they are not alpha widows, they had few partners.
so 1 - 4 is a good amount to aim for?
The aim in my opinion is alpha virgins.
As Rollo is quoted above "For an Alpha Widow, one’s enough." You have to be the first who forces her into submission.
No such thing as alpha virgins. This is what I learned in China: best types of girls are the ones who had stable relationships that lasted for years, then maybe 1-2 ONS per year when not in a relationship, but absolutely no whore who changes BFs every few months.
Your opinion is fucking retarded.
A good amount to aim for what? to suck your dick? drain your bank account? they're all the fucking same idiot. Have fun spending your entire life looking for a unicorn.
yup. virgin only and even then they need to be raised right and not be socially retarded. basically, a fucken unicorn.
Is that saying that fucking just one Chad Thundercock is enough to classify her as a slut?
Not a slut per say, but an alpha widow yes. While being an alpha widow/damaged goods isn't mutually exclusive with being a slut, more often then not having a high partner means a greater chance of having been an alpha widow
Yup. Sluts can be a lot of fun. Alpha widows are insufferable.
So, honest question here. Why would you ever want to make another one, if you hate them so much? Isn't that just contributing to the problem?
I really don't want to make any more. I ended up with two stalkers at once and had to go through some crazy shit to get rid of them. I'll be honest; it drove me into a "monastic lifestyle" as one of my less-crazy gals called it for almost five years. In the end, one found a BB and probably fist-fulls of mood stabilizers and disappeared into the sunset. The other I had to put on a slow drip--I talk to her every six months for an hour on the phone. She tells me all about her kids, her job, her car and her wonderful husband that has a great job.
Once you start to discern whore behaviour, you realize how hard it is to meet a non-whorish.
Treat it like you would the lottery. No point in trying to play it, but if you happen to find a winning ticket on the ground then that's pretty awesome. Prioritize yourself on putting yourself in a position where your actions aren't based on whether you win the lottery or not.
The thing is, lottery is a low risk game. The odds are massively against you, but losing will only cost you a few bucks.
Marriage is a high risk game. The odds are massively against you as well, but losing here will cost you half your shit.
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Yeah... It's like playing the lottery WITH YOUR LIFE ITSELF as your table stakes.
The cost of losing that lottery and getting divorce raped is years wasted, money wasted, and your children's lives ruined by growing up without a father
Do you really think you can win that lottery?
Do you really wanna buy that ticket?
(Oh wait, I don't mean "ticket." I mean "ring.")
That reminds me of something my Dad told me about one of his friends who's been through 4 marriages.
Dad: "Why do you keep getting remarried?" Guy: "I just like losing half of my shit every 5 years."
He should have just hit me up. I could've just built a business around taking half your shit every five.
I'll never put a ring on anyone, so bring me the whores. I like to have fun. I feel like too many in TRP these days are focused on trying to marry and have families. Until things change, it's a bad idea. Your virgin bride has just as much power to fuck you over as the skankiest of gutter sluts.
agreed. If you want to having kids, then you can only trust your own instincts for judging people, and it's all your fault if you make the wrong choice. None of this quantative analysis helps. Repressed virgins always slut it up sooner or later.
It really depends on where you go to find her. You will most likely need to find a quiet girl who doesn't go out, doesn't party, doesn't have a huge circle of friends or acquaintances. There are multiple reasons for this.
Women are social creatures, finding one that isn't huge on the social game isn't as easy.
By her having a small social circle, you'll need less people to impress to give yourself high value.
She has most likely had few sexual partners increasing her value as a potential life partner/mother of your children.
If the only reason she didnt ride the cc is because she was never exposed to that world, it tells you nothing about her decision making skills
I think he was meaning that she had the choice, and chooses not to go out and party etc. The college girl at the library instead of the frat on a Saturday night.
I've been to college. Library's are prime locations for fucks. ssshhh
You're delusional. Girls who act quiet are the biggest whores. Just because she doesn't party doesn't mean that she doesn't fuck every guy with decent game who approaches her at the library.
Who the heck is approaching a studying girl at a library??
Alphas who want a low-count introverted woman. There must be scads of us.
I'll have to agree here. In fact, you could be setting yourself up for trouble.
You're forgetting hypoagency and AWALT. Water takes the shape of the container it fills.
Take a good girl from the Midwest and put her in NYC and her cock count will be dramatically above what it would have been if she'd just stayed home.
That only confirms my statement
That's stupid, because if she is not social, then your kids will also be awkward and not social. You don't want your kids to be the cool kids? You don't want your kids to have emotional intelligence?
If she's that quiet, then she's probably a complete pushover and a loser. Your children will be the same. Not only that, if you leave for one moment, some other guy can just jump in, push her around, and easily fuck her because she never developed the skills to defend herself.
What you really want is a popular girl who knows how to brush off beta orbiters and had actually been in serious committed relationships that lasted over 2 years.
It always amaze me when people, even people on this sub, tries so badly to hold on their hope of finding the ONE.
The ONE that is not a slut.
The ONE that is different.
The ONE that will be a good candidate for a marriage.
Let go of your illusions gentlemen, and accept the harsh truth that they are all whores.
The number of men who supplicate to the shaming of women is becoming extremely vast. It is almost impossible to avoid them without increasing your smv to the point where you just don't have time to talk to the lesser individuals.
I've had women tell me before, and quite proudly, that women are less judgemental than men and are more willing to date down than men. Nah, bitch, women try to date the best man they possibly can, it's just that in between securing the commitment of men actually in their league they have a tendency to fuck up.
That is one of the items that sold me on TRP.
I've never seen a woman date down in my life, even if its a boy toy the value of his SMV is greater than hers.
They do always date upwards and I don't think they are even aware that they do.
Yea even some beta bucks has more SMV than the women they end up marrying but have no idea they can do better if they just learned some TRP things. Instead just jump on the first women who gives them attention.
totally agree dude. every day i see all these kinda plain, kinda cute, average, nice but humble looking girls, maybe slightly overweight, hanging out alone....
then her 6'4 perfect looking man invariably shows up 5 seconds later
"Banging the pool boy" or the gardener or whichever domestic servant is a fairly common trope. I realize that this isn't the same as marrying the pool boy, but it does seem to invalidate the statement "women never date down".
That pool boy is super high value though to her, is the point im making.
She isnt going to bang the ugly neckbeard packing her groceries. The trope always is about a super hot guy.
He is objectively not a high value man. He might be super cute, but he's manual labour and an employee of her husband.
When the bar owner dates the cute waitress, we don't say that the owner is dating up because the waitress is cute. Same with the doctor and the hot nurse. Dating up, or dating down, references relative social standing, not physical attractiveness.
The pool boy might be an outstanding physical specimen, but she is not behaving hypergamously by seducing him. It remains an example of a woman "dating down".
Who says she is being objective about it? I'd argue that women are more subjective versus objective (and that is backed up within TRP theory).
So subjectively that pool boy can be high value enough for her to indulge in as an AF but never as an alpha or beta provider, just an alpha fuck.
So I respectfully disagree with you, that is definitely not an example of women dating down. They only do that when the AF value is high enough.
they are not dating though, she is fucking an alpha and getting paid by a beta. It's womens optimized sexual strategy
EDIT: I'm also not sure I believe the prevalence of that trope. If something in mainstream media about female behaviour is repeated that often it's probably not true. Her husbands just as rich, but more handsome golf buddy is more believable tbh.
It's because frame's absent from the discussion. Everyone knows that women won't fuck men who are worthy of shame. The issue is that things like agree and amplify are wildly counterintuitive to many men. The obvious answer is to fight it logically. The bite of the shame might disappear but the bite of losing frame remains. Those men are disempowerered all the same but can feel like they aren't since they won the logic.
Dude this is a perfect summary of my post from a while ago about "do you need to be right? Then you're a beta."
You and I had some misunderstanding in the comments section of that post... This was exactly what I was trying to say though. Betas don't trust their own instincts and sensory perceptions, so they cling to the code of rhetorical correctness, aka "logic."
Yeah I remember that. I hadn't intended for what followed to follow. I just meant to leave a comment. I think there was just a lot of confusion. I never meant to offend.
No offense taken bro, I'm here to learn not get offended. Dope comment.
cultural conditioning and shaming can override biological programming.
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If you care about this or even think it's a problem when it comes to game, it's time to hit the sidebar.
This is why feminists have so much power. They sell sex to betas by promising that we just need to get our women all slutted up. The harsh reality that betas never see is that sluts never fuck down. Sluts can get a man a full order of magnitude more attractive than a good girl, they just don't get his commitment. It's like how a man can get friendzoned by a girl who's an order of magnitude hotter than he can fuck; he just won't get sex.
Feminists tell betas: "Men and women are equal! Support feminism and women will fuck down just like men do. Fight the patriarchy and you'll get laid!!!" One of the reasons that they hate the red pill is because we challenge that notion hard. We tell betas that they don't get sex for free. They need to work and focus on themselves rather than women. If the world woke up to that, feminism would be down in a day because feminists would lose the ONLY thing they've got to sell.
Holy shit, I never realized this is part of the product they're selling. I know betas think that being nice and agreeable to women is the best way to get laid, but it's more than that. To a beta, "sex-positive feminism" means "more women will want to fuck me." But that never happens. "Sex positive feminism" = more sluts for the Chad T.'s of the world to work through... while the hopeful betas wait at the end of the line with engagement rings.
Reminds me of Emma Watson who tells men to fight gender norms and goes home to fuck her Rugby captain boyfriend.
Yeah why do people continue to listen to these muppets. They are talking heads that (probably) don't believe in the shot they speak. I never got got the love for her. I love Harry Potter as much as the next person but she has no body and a jaw that could cut diamonds. How the hell did she end up in front of the UN?
Because she's a famous millionaire who caught a break when she was 10 years old. Who better to lecture people on poverty and suffering?
You know that thought, sits in the back; always with a smirk? You described my reaction to the UN video perfectly.
You just described what those loser "nice guys" think!
This is a fairly unique perspective on the matter, and I can see the underlying truth in it.
Keep up the good work.
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Thanks! Glad you liked it. I'm working on a pretty big post about sluts and society. Still planning out my ideas but I think I'm on to something big and I'm trying to hammer out individual ideas in comments and pms with people I know. I think it's gonna be a good one.
Looking forward to reading it.
FYI I sent out a message out to the mod team, and I'm sure they're busy with work and whatnot but you should be getting that point eventually. The bot is broken which is why there's a lag.
I appreciate your support, I've always wanted a point.
Awarded.
This is the definition of hypergamy. The vast majority of guys on this sub think that hypergamy means always going for the better or best cock/guy around: FALSE! That is merely optimization, something that we all do. Hypergamy means that there is a SMV floor to her arousal. While she can still have sex with someone that is below that level (men cannot - if they aren't arousing, we literally can't fuck them (without PDE5 inhibitors)), those men will not generate the tingles.
I second that notion ♂
Awarded.
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It's never been a popular movement, just MadisonAved. Frankfurtian philanthropists might not be Chad Ts, but riches are only 2nd best to thug-fuckers, not LayDs; especially not ones that want kicks on their toes and fancy wig-haircuts.
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If it doesn't work in economics, why would trickle-down theory work in fuckonomics?
I am occasionally, if reluctantly, in touch with a woman with whom I attended grade school. She's very attractive, she's a successful professional, and she's one of the most repugnant creatures I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.
She's horrible. The epitome of the carousel-riding, full-of-herself, entitled, condescending bitch I have ever met. We don't talk much since the last time I visited her while on a business trip. I generally maintain a solid frame, but there was no way I could hide my revulsion at this woman. Truly disgusting.
And ya know what? She's got a beta orbiter just aching to hop on that pussy as soon as this woman decides she's exhausted all other options and run out of tickets for the cock carousel. (We are in our late twenties, the deadline approaches ever faster.) He's her "best friend." They go out together and call it girls' night. Honestly, watching them interact was horrifying. I didn't think a grown man would ever debase himself to that degree and that length of time just for the chance at some good-looking pussy.
The people who need TRP the most are the ones who hate us the hardest.
Sounds like fun watching this 'man' work it.
90% of the guys I meet are clueless. Of these, half wouldn't even believe my life is possible, and the other half sense that I'm not bullshitting and hate me for it. The remaining 10% are my friends.
It's hard to believe that not even a year ago, I was one of those guys. Thank god things played out the way they did, or I would still be that lonely miserable sap that I used to be.
Thats the great irony of this world.
People invest so much in their own realities and are afraid of change and failure and cling to these realities harder and harder each day until eventually it's all they know. They can't accept anything else because, at this point, it would invalidate every decision they've ever made, every opinion they've ever had.
It would rebirth them a person new, a complete starting over. I personally find the idea exciting. I wish such a fortune would befall me, someone changing my entire world view and giving me a chance for further growth.
Fortunately for us, most men(and people in general) are followers. They don't want growth or change. They want to be commanded.
All I can do is pity that poor bastard because he doesn't know what he's doing. These guys tend to be EXTREMELY inexperienced with women. Hell, I was one of them up until not too long ago. If I was offered TRP earlier in life from someone that could articulate it well enough, I would have taken it.
Posts like this underscore how important RP can be for a man.
This sort of information can save a man from a lifetime of sadness and misery.
No one else is teaching men how to marry well on this level.
I can't tell you how thankful I am that I found this sub.
same here, its one of those reading that change ones life. for the better. if i'll ever raise RP children, i'll tell 'em this sub is where "it started"
This is often overlooked. How fucking high the stakes are for a man, and how rigged against him the game is.
A lifetime of sadness and misery is no joke at all.
In comparison, a bachelor life with a few fulfilling LTR in between is a dream deal.
A healthy power dynamic, combined with saving hundreds of thousand that the courts would have stolen from you otherwise. Travelling nigga. A Sailboat. Buy, enjoy and sell a few vintage cars.
Downsides: no kids. At least personally, it saddens me that I might never experience the joy of being a father. However, I'll take that anyday over having them stolen from me and raised with unhealthy moral values by a person I despise.
you just made it into my book of quotes sir, among teddy r. and swarzenegger :-D
"We told the betas that the promiscuity would trickle down!"
If people understand the context of that quote it basically explains feminism/white knight syndrome in the most succinct, concise, and witty way I think it could ever be explained.
I think that quote is brilliant.
https://imgur.com/gallery/olQxJ
Excellent analogy.
mises and rothbard just rolled in their graves
Or to put it into RP vernacular: not marry is to 'marry, well...'
Exactly. I don't understand why we are so tolerant of posts here advocating marriage.
I posted a "Why Get Married?" series and ebook on here awhile back. I maintained a neutral position in that regard and even stated that marriage is not so much the problem as is the mentality you enter it with. Now I know that was a mistake. It's completely retarded.
We get overrun for the most part. It leads to some blue hues permeating the place. You see it regarding the issue of marriage and blaming men for women cheating.
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One can't marry well anymore.
All that one can do is to not marry.
A lot of it is social pressure, often from organized religion which has become also feminist, and refuses to follow tradition/the actual religion it claims to be a part of. Everything is spun so it is favorable to women. The "born again virgin" BS is in churches all the time.
Men need to be strong enough to next their churches and their social circles, but that is pretty tough. Large government of course it what causes the real issues, as without big government messed around in domestic affairs with a divorce a woman would get nothing and just get thrown out on the street for her whoring ways. That is really what kept women chaste, that and the lack of birth control.
With birth control and with daddy government guaranteeing women's subsistence, there is no check at all on their behavior, and it is quite obvious that female nature is ugly and very mentally deficient.
I actually wonder how unchecked male behavior is, I wonder if it would be just as bad if men were in the position women are now. Ultimately it's moot, and if you are RP it probably doesn't apply to you (as RP philosophy is constant improvement, not the laziness and worthlessness of feminist thought).
4 churches in my town and a lot of people I don't bother hanging out with anymore. No real strength involved in that decision, just the willingness to not want to pollute one's life with the seepage of other people's stupidity. A lot of the people going to church do need to go, it's that they are going for the wrong reasons and end up learning the wrong lessons.
It would be just as bad. The fools that try to posit that men are more honorable by default are engaging in some mental masturbation to make their ego feel better.
Everyone has a price, and everyone is guilty of something- the only question is of what.
Blinding oneself to that willingly is a fools game.
The religion I am apart of is 100% red pill as fuck and if you take the time to decipher the bible on your own you will agree with me.
Real Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all RP. As it is, pretty much only Muslims bother to follow the religion, and hence why the feminist West has such a problem with it.
They hate Pure Christianity just as much as Islam. Maybe even more so actually.
Islam isn't a RP religion, it is a religion of slavery, women are just worse at taking orders so they are looked down upon.
Islam is very anti frame and closed off to better ideas. Alphas don't fear the unknown, alphas don't hate others for living their own life, alphas are leader-types, they don't follow orders from men claiming that they understand God better than others, because if a truly cared about your actions, he would not shroud himself in mystery and make his existence unknown.
An alpha doesn't brake frame because of a drawing.
Muhammad was stone cold Machiavellian. Double crossing his allies, chopping off heads and shit.
Sounds like you know zero Muslim men.
Christians don't spin plates.
True Christianity requires wives to SUBMIT to their husbands. There is no "equal" in Christianity, a man's word is law.
Women are not even allowed to speak in church, they're supposed to ask men to speak for them if they have questions.
I see your hamster has allowed you to selectively spin Christianity. You either take it all or you take none of it, and clearly modern Western civilization is in conflict with Christianity. There is no possibility of a Christian marriage in the West, the government will not allow it.
How did I spin Christianity into anything other than what it was quoted to be? I don't believe in the revision of religious scripture.
Unchecked male behaviour built society. Unchecked female behaviour is tearing it down.
No, Men have always checked Men. Go to the subway and clock a woman in the jaw, you will see it in action.. once you wake up from the hospital.
Somalia is what you get when you let Males go unchecked.
Make no mistake human nature has one goal, babies, and its way isn't good for humans.
This is my point, unchecked men soon learn how to establish order which precipitates civilisation. We are learning what happens to that civilisation when the men let the women run amok.
"You walk down the aisle with the same bitches we run through. " - Curren$y
Boom "Girls are like buses, every 15 minutes another one coming." -Gucci
The number two post on r/relationships right now it's exactly this, and the white knights are there to defend. "My boyfriend wants sex on demand because of my past".
This shit makes me sick, these white knights fawning over her.
Honestly the whole situation is fucked she is so emotionally damaged and has more baggage than a A380 I wouldn't take a ticket to board if it was free. The BF looks like he want's to be with who she was before, but isn't anymore, either way they're both fucked.
This is a classic example of the one who deserves the most getting the worst treatment because he's devaluing himself. If he had more value and she experienced a little dread, she'd be putting out and enjoying it. She's wrapped up in her "issues" because she has the luxury of being able to do so and still keep her relationship/stability/meal ticket.
She's so mentally damaged it's pointless to even try, i feel bad for her in the sense that she's had a lot of shit to go through but as a man you should not try to fix them or make it better, i've seen enough of these girls and it doesn't happen, people always talk about having to give people a chance and it's the inside that matters and blah blah blah, but seriously what's the point of it if her troubles will continue to stand in your way the entire duration of your relationship, that's not exactly fulfilling and you'll just find yourself trying to fix her all the time
And honestly the guy sounds like a dick too, very jealous and using shaming tactics to try get what he wants, they both seem fucked up
The point is, he can improve, he can learn, she can't, one is broken forever, the other is fixable forever... sans any real mental issues he might have non related to sex or relationships.
Ohh god i love how she frees her "past self" from ANY responsibility.
for the lazies: https://archive.is/vAtoT
Wait a second - did you read her post? I'd never ever get involved with her, but what she's describing doesn't fit with this thread.
She came from a broken home, and was probably abused/molested. She ran away and lived on the streets and basically had to fuck to survive, and got raped multiple times. She wasn't riding Chad Thundercock after a night of shots at the college bar, she was getting raped by some homeless guy.
You avoid girls like that because they're so damaged that they will destroy your life, but to hate her or claim she's totally responsible for her "partner" count is just ugly.
Just look at her situation now, she's with a for real dark triad type who just wants to use her as a warm hole. She's so damaged she can't even walk away from that situation, she has to ask for advice on reddit. You should pity this girl, not hate her.
"and got a full-ride to University" best part of the whole post
Young women from good, conservative families. Not a guarantee of anything, but boy does it increase your odds.
Well it does guarantee she has more incentive to lie to keep her social standing.
Some of the biggest ho's I've known wore a crucifix.
Caveat Emptor.
The underlying problem of society's current fucked up social environment is that the family unit's been destroyed by feminism.
She might have a good, patriarch of a father and a mother who's genuinely in love with her father, but when she goes off to college she learns that her daddy ain't shit, fuck him, I'm a strong independent
whorewoman who don't need no man!So you can do what you want - and by all means I respect that - but I will never take the risk of committing to a woman in a society whose foundations for health, love, and the pursuit of familial happiness have been severed at the knees.
A high-risk investment is when you invest your money, time, health, etc. into something which you are more likely to lose your shirt than actually gain a profit. Idk about everyone else, but I'm staying the fuck away from marriage and will continue to be wary of LTRs.
I know some of them! I just saw one at a wedding yesterday! She's living in her dad's basement with the guy she had her 4th kid with. Who knows where the other three dads are.
So yeah, her and her "man" are living in her dad's basement with 4 kids. Sounds glamorous, I know...
It's amazing, you don't get it when you're 18, but once you grow up, you see how everyone who lived that lifestyle really has a fucked up life. Actually now that I think of it, I don't know any girls my age who had several kids early and are not trashy.
America? Up here in Canada unplanned pregnancies are seriously rare. It's wierd to have kids if you're under 30. Well, my city anyways. Small towns are another story.
Having kids early is good, slutting since 18 is bad, but if they commited to a man and had kids that would be good, if she can stop becoming a whore later, of course.
Yeah college ruins women. Although most are ruined even before then, because HS is the same.
Some families can prevent the HS event by carefully controlling and isolating their daughters, and this really only best works in upper class communities where there are a number of families that work together for this, and they have at least some control over the schools.
But college? Forget it.
it's not even just college. unless this girl spends her whole life at home she'll experience feminism and the modern age. if you don't keep an eye on them from cradle to grave they're gonna wise up. i mean the internet exists ffs
100% this. Recently I've been observing my parents situation and wondering how the fuck they've stayed married after 40+ years when everyone else I know has been divorced. It comes down to religion. A good example of this would be between my 18 years at home my family moved 9 different times due to my father getting job offers etc. this was extremely rough on my mother. All my friends mothers were telling her to leave my father. The only reason she did not was due to her conviction to following that is written in the bible. As much as reddit hates the bible it's red pill as fuck and is 100% the reason my family is red pill and still together.
My future ex is a social church goer. Goes for the company and the songs. Not for the belief.
Social church goers = big hamster. I trust them even less than genuinely religious people.
Reddit doesn't hate the Bible, it hates all the contradictory fucked up bullshit that's in it.
There is nothing contradictory in it. The problem is when people take things out of context and then make up arguments for things that aren't even in there.
Very few people actually read the Bible and with an open mind, even though that's precisely what you're supposed to do.
http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/
Give me an example of taking things out of context and nonexistent arguments
You should try reading it with a skeptical mind
They are going out of their way to miss the point. The type of contradiction they seem to fixate on will be found in anything from antiquity. I realize many fundamentalist groups try to make claims to the effect that the Bible is "written by God", which is a pretty ignorant claim. It was written by many people across the ages, and the English we read has been translated many times.
Yet we respect Archimedes for his mathematical genius, and you can find this type of "contradiction" in various codices due to human translation error.
Point is, the Bible has a message on morality and social order, so if some word referred to a region or a specific city doesn't really matter.
In purely secular history, the Bible is the greatest source of knowledge for that time and place. Why? Because the Jews placed great value on maintaining the oral tradition and had a method by which the ruling class could be brought to task. A prophet could call out a king. Any other culture, you'd be dead pretty quick if you tried that.
You don't have to believe in the supernatural to see that there is a lot of value to be taken from the Bible.
Really?
You know how many young girls get knocked up at bible camp?
AWALT
They are doing it. They are just better at hiding it and rationalizing that it wasn't what it was.
But, it is what it is.
You mean that girl that had four guys fuck her in the ass after church isn't a virgin? B-but her hymen n-never broke because they never put it in her pussy!!
Can confirm, went to bible camp as a teen, girls were getting fucked in the woods regularly
Nothing will make a girl be a good enough partner to marry.
Marriage is not a solution.
A good post. I would just like to add about the "A woman's worth is not decided by her sexual past" stuff. There is no point in arguing with someone about things like that. If you think she has slutted around too much, just dump her and move on. There is always some other reason to give her, if you don't want to be so direct. However, if you don't think she has slutted around too much, then there is no point in bringing it up. So you should actually never have a girl telling you: "I'm not like that anymore". Either she's out or she was never "like that" in the first place.
Then you've got the interesting case where a girl may be relatively low in partner count aside from handjobs, but also is in a sorority and hangs around whores, eg: my current ltr. Thoughts on this?
well, either she is lying or she is not lying. could poke a little around, talk to her friends just casually and you'll probably get a better understanding of how she is.
Well I can certainly guarantee first-hand that our first times were together aside from those handjobs of course. Is it worth explaining concepts to her to any degree?
ok. Concepts? what concepts? you should not discuss red pill theory with her, or anyone else for that matter, if that's what you're thinking of. (rule 1 of fight club and all that)
Being an AF that was involved with a girl that was previously fucked beyond belief with an AF 2 years ago, to then being with a rebound Beta loser and then coming to me. Best read ever. I had my turn with this skank, fucked her for hours on end and then passed her on back to her Beta loser that really wants her back. He can have her back and deal with her BS for the rest of his life until she decides to take him to divorce court.
Reminds me of the quote "A key that opens many locks is called a master key, but a lock that is opened by many keys is a low quality lock."
If I have ever had a real cause to demonstrate a fundamental yet simple way to dismantle sex positive (read: Huge N count positive - there is a big difference) narratives it was this quote.
I've dropped that on people and it just stopped them dead in their tracks and you could almost hear the gears in their head grind to a screeching halt whilst they think about that.
I've found when it comes to women, betas are unable to use logic or common sense, hence nothing you say to them will matter. Hence I do not bother at all. Using logic on them just makes them lash out angrily.
How do I know if she's been a whore? It's not like I can pull a sexual history report.
She'll either happily follow you around everywhere like a puppy, or she'll break away from you every chance she gets to "do her own thing."
LTR worthy girls dread doing their own thing and consider hanging out with their man to be a great privilege. For a whore, the opposite is true: Hanging out with her man is a chore and doing her own thing is what she'll constantly vy for.
There are obviously other ways of distinguishing a whore from a less promiscuous woman, but from my experience this is by far the easiest way to tell the difference.
In some ways it's a lot like buying a sex doll. Would you pay much for a doll that has many previous owners? Regardless of how good it's current state is?
Did you get revenge? If that happened to me, I'd keep quiet for awhile. Then they individually would be ambushed by a masked stranger in the dark and beaten without explanation.
Pure gold.
It happened at a house party she threw where everyone was hammered. I tried calling a couple of my friends (one of whom owns a shotgun and the other one has a shit ton of hunting rifles) but that was irrational beta thinking as a result of losing a fight. As if one of my friends was gonna drive a couple of hours to risk getting thrown in jail for my own fuck-up.
I should've broken up with her long before that (the signs were there) and I shouldn't have swung at a guy - despite his pussy pedestalizing Cap'n Save a Hoe taunting - because I didn't know any of the people there. It wasn't the Machiavellian thing to do.
What happened was that this chick, who was my girl at the time (or so I thought), ditched our game of beer pong with only one cup left to hit, and then I find her inside talking to a group of dudes. So I say "Hey we only have one cup left, lets finish up and then you can continue whatever you're doing in here." So she tells me "Nah, I'm just saying hi, yadda yadda bullshit yadda yadda, and go finish it up with someone else." That really struck a nerve, so I flat out told her "You're being a drunk bitch." You know, because she was.
Earlier on in the relationship (i.e. while we were still in college) she would've succumbed to my brisk remark. I was in a solid social fraternity, she wasn't in greek life, so she was constantly on the edge about me cheating and always acquiesced, you get the point. But things changed after I graduated - she was living at home and entered into an entirely new social circle. That's when I should've broken shit off. It had become an LDR.
But I didn't. So when I made that remark ("You're being a drunk bitch") her new feminist friends got all bitchy, one of the feminist's brothers comes up to me telling me how badly he wants to throw on his cape and fight me, and after about 5 minutes of putting up with that bullshit I hit him in the face. Two of his boys then grabbed me and held me down while this pussy hit me in the face for a solid 3 minutes.
I was always a handsome guy, but I never thought I would look the same again after that happened. I was depressed for the 3 months that it took my face to fully recover (thank fucking god) and during that period of time when I was obsessively looking for answers to how this could happen, I found The Red Pill.
And here I am now 2 years later, working in commercial banking, lifting 5 days a week and gaming girls with ease whenever the fuck I feel like it. It's amazing to look back at the patheticness of who I was back then and compare him to who I am today. It's honestly like two different people who happen to look the same but act completely different and get treated completely different.
The Red Pill gave me all the confidence back that I had lost during those 3-6 months of incredibly destructive self-doubt. Idk where I'd be today without it.
Live and learn.
Yeah, you didn't stand a chance. When we were learning how to take a double team from the o-line, my coach talked about focusing your attack on one guy because, "You're already going to the hospital, might as well bring one with you."
Here's a video of what will likely happen versing more than one guy even if you're bigger than them. One of the attackers grabs so you can't move, then the other attacks from behind. They both take you down and beat your face in. In this case, one of them kicked the lone man in the head multiple times while he was already unconscious.
If that same incident were to happen to me again, this is how I'd deal with it:
(White Knight talks shit to me)
Me: (turning to "my girl") "I think you should start dating this guy cause he's way cooler than me." (grab my shit and walk to front door) "Nice knowing ya."
Drive home.
Delete number and start new life.
That is the RIGHT response. Save yourself a beating AND about 2 mins after you said that she would drop white knight like a disease when sees you have real game
Nice to see that you learned your lesson, even if it had to get beaten into you.
Embarrassing. But we all have stories like that. The important thing is we know better now and do better now, and try to educate others so they don't make the same mistakes.
You ain't livin' if you ain't learnin'
That sucks man. Good to hear you grew stronger from that experience.
It's really pathetic how many men are willing to commit violence for the sake of women.
A close friend of mine was on the receiving end of some violent mate guarding a couple years ago.
Someone posted pictures on facebook of him with his arm around some clinically obese cow at a party. The next night, her boyfriend and some other loser broke into his house, ransacked the place, beat him over the head with his own bar stool, threatened to kill him, made him beg for his life and apologize for putting his arm around the boyfriend's fat little snowflake.
The cops couldn't/wouldn't do anything because there were no witnesses.
Pussy is such an overvalued commodity. Men are willing to kill each other and throw their own lives away over such retarded things as a woman's honor or mate guarding some overweight skank.
That's a remarkable recovery. I came here a different way, by way of happy accident. I wanted to ask, when you started trying to figure out what the hell went wrong, what other things did you hit upon first before finding TRP? If you were running a google search, what search term would you even look for, did you know about the manosphere prior etc?
To be honest, at first I was convinced that the problem was liberalism. I was always skeptical of it. But after not drawing a clear enough connection between liberalism and the incident, I moved on to blaming feminism. After spending a stupid amount of time on sites debunking the flaws of neo-liberalism and feminism, I stumbled on The Red Pill.
I knew something was different here. All the connections that people were making were so goddamned clear to me. It just made a shit-ton of sense, and when it didn't, the poster got shit on. So I stayed and learned...I learned how I fucked up, how she fucked up, and how I can never change her which is why I moved on, stopped blaming shit because that's what victims do (& victims never succeed) and started focusing on building something of myself.
A period of "enlightened self interest" is what Rollo calls it. That's what I'd call it as well.
Bro. Thanks for the post. Do you have anymore bookmarked posts that are your favorite similar to this one?
Shoot me a PM with the types of posts you're looking for. I've saved a shitload.
You call this girl you're seeing a drunk bitch over...beer pong...
Re-read the story. There were a number of factors at play. If you would put up with that shit then don't expect your partner to respect you.
Punish swiftly but reward slowly. Making excuses for her is akin to rewarding her for poor behavior, and behavioral science & logic says that means it'll happen again with increasing frequency.
I just graduated from uni. Its more like 50+. Sometimes multiple abortions - which are payed for by beta orbiters. The same men presume to lecture you about women - without ever having touched one. Its insane.
That and the women by and large would not date white men. I'm a stranger in my own country. :) That and I'm obligated to pay for her trips to Jamaica to get cucked. Gotta keep that cis white privilege in check.
Lol. I go to an American college so I know of girls who have banged atleast 17-20 guys by the end of it. Not to mention the amount of guys they've made out with on the weekends "just for fun".
Making out ain't shit. You wait and see girls at house parties who fuck one guy and then an hour later bring another guy upstairs.
Gotta feel bad for their kids who will have a nasty skank for a mom.
Wow. That is bad. Haven't witnessed that happen at my university in person but I'm sure it exists.
You got girls at clubs who will give a guy a bj in the bathroom and then go around kissing everybody.
They'll brag about servicing nightclub owners because they have an office.
had two girls 'race' to making out with 30 guys one month. this was all done on weekends. they were doing it with more than one guy per day on the weekends.
these same girls have had drunk, unprotected sex with men in COLLEGE. a baby will come out of their vag that one day had more than one drunk frat boy stick his dick in there.
Dude, that's fucking gross. Putting your dick into a girl is enough of a risk, but putting it into a girl who has let countless guys fuck them is another level of gross. I hadn't internalized how serious the cock train is, but this did it. Like, how are these girls our prize? There is no type of vagina that is more valuable than my dignity. Sloppy hookups, sure, we've all had them, but after a certain age, we all want some security, just on a human level. All of the shit they put us through on an emotional level is completely unwarranted. Is wanting a girl who appreciates how valuable she is when she takes good care of her body and mind too much to ask? I feel like I speak for most guys on here, that if we found a good, feminine girl, who had a elementary understanding of how much we would appreciate her commitment to supporting us, we would do anything for her. Because the majority of women don't, it's a sign of how little value we have as men on the whole.
Where are you at that white men are not pursued? My experience is the exact opposite. Getting shit tested like mad and constant IOI's even around taller skinnier non-whites.
West coast Canada. Gay guy I know got screamed at for marrying a black man and 'stealing all the POC' or whatever. If they aren't lesbian, they only date non-whites because white men have privilege.
I'm fucking sick of this shit.
You are always welcome here in the US. We could always use more whitedevilshitlords.
What kind of blue city hell hole is this?
Far western Canada. Hipster cucks all over the place.
Oohhhhhhhhh. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Because everywhere else in the world, being a white guy with any sense of alpha gets you laid pretty frequently. But... yeah, in the social justice capitals... I can see why being a white male and having the AUDACITY to not be a fag or tranny, and DARING to not self-flagellate would have you labeled as Enemy of the State.
Yup. I even got yelled at for using 'histeronic' on FB.
Vancouver can be nice to Apha's, but there's more whoring going on because of various industries and money floating around.
They start in university. Ugh..
Every time I read material like this, I think about how much fucked up and misguided I was in my beta days, how fucking fortunate I am for have stumbled into TRP 6 months ago, and how much a difference this vastly unknown/disregarded wisdom is making and will make in my life. I can't help but considering it as kind of divine providence, and feel sorry for those so stupid to not recognize the truth when it fortunately turns up in front of their eyes. There's a long road to go, at least for me, but the contentedness of being in the right way makes all have sense in my head. Thank you guys.
There should really be a "best of RedPill" on the side bar with the best posts of the past.
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I know girls with this number count by the end of college. Yikes.
I knew some that broke that before high school was over.
"more traffic than I35 at rush hour"
Always good to see other Austinites on trp, sometimes I fear for this city but it's nice knowing that there's a few of us down here
How do you know from a mention of I-35 that he's from Austin? That road goes all the way to Minneapolis.
And I-35 at rush hour is a nightmare in Minneapolis, Des Moines, KC, Wichita, and Oklahoma City as well as Texas.
Ohh damn, that faux pas, I think I just got a semi.
Solid ideas, as it goes, don't try to make a hoe into a housewife.
This was amazing. You mens rights people are doing gods work.
I went from six to midnight
Brilliant post
tr;dr: Men who respect themselves won't accept trash. Betty Bettas will be glad to line up for pussy.
Excellently written; truly TRP Hall of Fame worthy.
A high quality post. I (and the rest of you) should strive to write informative, clearly articulated posts like this.
I think #4 is the biggest factor.
Excellent post! Thank you for your contribution.
Another tip for newbs: After any girl is done with an AF who damaged and controlled her, is still being controlled by him for years after. Every move she will make is to tell herself that she is doing better without him, every dude she sees after that is to show said AF that she has moved on, but inside she knows the beta she moved on to isn't going to make her feel secure. Like the OP posted, her goal in life is to fuck this beta's life up in revenge of what the AF in her life did to her.
Jesus this post is amazing
This is spinning me into a positive yet nihilistic view of the world. If this is the case, these women have had so many cocks in their mouth, it's just sad to me.
Where the hell are all the good women, and I feel fucking right for asking this!
Phenomenal post, thanks for bringing it back to everyone's attention.
This should seriously be a course offered at school. Women get bullshit gender and sexualities studies, I'd take a course in this any day
Unfortunately that's just a pipe dream my friend.
But one of the things I'd like to do when I'm older is open up a cigar bar (i.e. a male space) where I can share Red Pill wisdom with some young bucks. It'll be my way of fulfilling my need to raise children, without all the associated expenses and the necessity to sign a marriage contract.
Yea that's a great idea, cause you know the people going there would be the ones worth teaching, guys who actually wanna go to a cigar bar and talk to and learn from successful guys are the ones worth your time
What evidence do we have that women with a higher number of sexual partners have impaired mate-bonding?
I'm not talking religion, or personal experience (although that is a form of evidence). Is there any science behind this statement? I'm willing to believe it's true, but if anyone has any solid evidence i'd really appreciate having a read.
Mostly just want this so when i'm chatting with some of my smarter friends I have something to back up what i say (otherwise i just wouldnt say it at all)
Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent Marital Dissolution Among Women (2004 ) Teachman,
Premarital Sex and the Risk of Divorce (1991) London and kahn,
The Harmful Effects of Early Sexual Activity and Multiple Sexual Partners Among Women, Rector et al
Learn to use google and you'll find many more studies on the subject.
There was some scientific evidence posted for this a few months ago. I cba to go look for it that far back but it exists.
Look it up, i'ts been posted several times over.
What exactly would i be looking for?
I find it interesting that this sub tends to flaunt the "it's science" argument a lot, without actually presenting any of the research.
It's become extremely common here in the past 6 months to have someone say "studies show..." and then not provide one single study. I've seen people claim things in my area of expertise that are just not true and tried to back it up with "studies show". When challenged they tend to disappear.
It's fucking pathetic that i'm downvoted for asking for some evidence. Saying "look it up" doesn't remotely clue me in on what i should be looking for. I'm not saying it's not true, i'm just asking for someone to point me to the evidence.
Pull your fucking socks up TRP
Go ask for a babysitter if that is what you need...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=multiple+partners+lack+of+bonding
Any fucking duck search gives you several examples and research, like this:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201304/the-lingering-psychological-effects-multiple-sex-partners
or this:
http://www.addictions.com/sex/
or this:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1549518
You need daddy to tie your shoelaces too?
Your first link just links to various blogs that are loosely related... so, not really good evidence at all.
The second and fourth seem much better, and i appreciate you posting them.
I'm not sure why you got your fucking panties in a bunch... i asked if anyone had any evidence handy, you chose to post a snarky comment that contained no evidence - hence my reply
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Studies show that all these facts are generally known by average people and citations are unnecessary[citation_needed].
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Everything here is written from the male perspective - it's about doing what's best for yourself as a man. The male sexual imperative is to spread our seed far and wide. So for any man who wishes to fulfill this biological urge, The Red Pill is where we discuss how it can be done with the highest risk-adjusted return.
If what you want in life is to be fair and agreeable above all else, no one here will judge you for that. You're entitled to do what makes you happy, but so are we.
Life is meaningless and part of being a man is making your own purpose. We all have an expiration date my friend. So on the surface, yeah it might seem shitty that all I care about is getting what I want out of life. But personally, I don't feel bad about my world view in the least bit, nor will I ever care about "being fair" to everyone I cross paths with, considering how life itself isn't fair.
I'd rather live my life doing what's best for me, because that's the path to happiness and fulfillment. Being fair is the equivalent of being slave to other people's interests. So I logically choose to treat myself better than anyone else.
But again, you are absolutely entitled to do as you please, and I respect that. We simply have a difference in world views, but that's okay in my book. Freedom of thought is part of what makes us human.
Can you tell your story? By "crawling away from a relationship which ended after my ass got beaten half to death by 3 White Knights" what do you exactly mean? If that is literally what you wrote, can you tell more about it? I'm really curious to know more.
Think thats a over estimation for "average", or I hung out with a higher class of woman at those ages.
It is an over estimation. At least for my standards.
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Most girls just use Tinder for validation.
Can somebody first tell my, why the # of cocks that have been in a girl even matters?
This was explained in the post.
Larger numbers of partners are evidence of 1-bad decision making and/or 2-promiscuity and/or 3-having low value.
Because either they 1-dumped who they were with and therefore didn't make a good choice of partner in the first place
or 2-they were just sleeping around and therefore more likely to do that in future
or 3-they were dumped by their partners which means previous partners saw them as not being worth keeping around for whatever reason.
Psychological studies show that the more sexual partners she has before she settles down, the less happier she will be in her marriage. Even one cock before marriage will have an impact on her happiness.
On the other hand, if a man has a promiscuous past, it will have no bearing on his happiness during marriage.
Edit: link to study
I just don't see why people care so much. If you look at the bottom of the table you'd see the correlation is tiny, .05. There's tons of other variables that effect quality of marriage, but nobody seems to care about them.
It's really just an excuse. A bunch of guys don't like the idea of their woman having sex with other men, so they try and come up with justifications for why they shouldn't. Whether or not you had a wedding had a much higher correlation, but you never see posts titled "Why betas marry women without having a wedding".
This is a fair question and asking invites the evidence to be presented, which has been done below. I don't know why it is being downvoted. It will be sad if we lose our respect for differing opinions and even worse if we cannot respect open-minded questioning, which this appears to be.
TRP subreddit encourages having options and different "plates" to spin, cold approaching and then fucking on first date. Some of the most upvoted threads are the ones talking about how someone went from beta to alpha who now fucks whoever they want. Then you shit on women who basically do the same thing, I am not taking sides here, just see obvious hypocrisy. Please explain.
Now, what does the average redpiller need to reach that level? Lift, study game, get his life, fashion and occupation in check.
What does the average slut need? The ability to spread her legs. You're comparing two different things
So whoring is OK as long as you have to work for it? Explain.
That you think it's "hypocrisy" means you don't understand that the sexes are different and are valued differently...read the sidebar material (your question is answered there)....hell, it's answered in the OP's post.
"We've all heard the statement, "It's not fair that a woman who sleeps around is a whore, but men who sleep around are studs!!" >:'O
There has been more than enough digital ink spilled on this topic within the manosphere, so I won't go into it. Everybody knows it's easy to be a whore, but hard to be a player ― and society doesn't award trophies for doing easy shit."
What more do you need?
If I was shitting on women, I wouldn't have posted this in a pocket of the Internet that's 100% occupied by men.
Women constantly gossip to each other over which men they want, which men they don't want, what they like or don't like about certain men or men as a whole, etc. I am simply doing the same thing from the male perspective: judging women.
One of the biggest differences between an Alpha and a beta is that the Alpha is picky about his sexual suitors. This post helps instill that mindset, and I think every man should at least know how to respect himself in that manner...wouldn't you agree?
I agree with 99% of things on TRP, thats why I am here. I just got very curious as to why we look down on women and call them whores if they fucked/fuck many men, yet men who have options and spin different "plates," go on first dates with the intention to fuck etc are Alpha. You see what i am talking about?
I mean...ill be honest, I would be turned off if a girl had a tonn of dicks in her, but how is that any different from having your dick insides a tonn of different girls?
You might wanna actually read the post my man.
If you did a survey i bet more women would turn down men with little or no sexual experience. I dont think the results would be the same for men.
That's the difference in a nutshell. The division of labour is that men pursue women and women select which man, if any, they will accept as a sexual partner. A man who is chosen by many women clearly has something going for him. A woman who accepts many suitors is just a person with low standards; there's no effort or mastery involved in racking up lots of partners as a woman, just lack of discipline.
This entire post sounds like slut-shaming.
Fine, enforce your double standards... but just don't expect your proper out-and-about near-virgin to magically know how to drain your balls past the point of mere satisfaction inside the bedroom too.
You can teach a girl how to Fuck, you can't instill good decision making.
It is slut shaming. It may hurt people's feelings and that's ok. Think of it this way. If a girl has been with a guy who's rich, hot, and got his shit together. Shes done everything under the sun with him and he nexted her hard. She remembers all the emotional roller coaster she had, she remembers the good times and the bad. The problem with a slut is she will always remember this guy. Maybe he was a God in bed, maybe he made her feel those high school tingles that make you cringe that you fell so hard for. She will never forget that. When she sees you and her memory of his failures start to dim, (or he dumped her) and she only remembers the good times, you are now second rate. You aren't good enough. She then decides that she deserves better. Everyone says so. She leaves your ass, takes the kids, takes your paycheck. She makes bad decisions. You may have been the best decision she ever made. But she makes bad decisions. She leaves and you are broke. She may have been the best lay ever, but you'll be paying for it in multiple ways either financially or emotionally.
I actually enjoyed your response, and thank you for taking the time to make it, but the fact that my mere humble opinion got downvoted into oblivion tells me that this subreddit is just an echo chamber of nuclear proportions filled with people who are not actually interested in an exchange of ideas
It's not. A humble opinion that is. It's a passive aggressive cat screech. It brings nothing to the table but being talked down to on moral grounds.
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Ad hominem. Straw man.
Trolls gonna troll.
That's not a fucking ad hominem, calling you an asshole is an ad hominem, and not everyone that disagrees with you (or doesn't understand your worldview) is a troll
And there was no straw man, just an observation from a guy who has been dating for 22 years, starting when most here were just outta diapers
Honestly, shut the fuck up.
Here you are trying to tone police the sub by using shaming tactics, and then you claim that we're the ones who are no different than white knights.
Learn this and don't fucking forget it: Irregardless of whether you like it or not, free speech on The Red Pill is here to stay. If that's not okay with you then fuck off. This isn't a democracy you whiny little bitch.
I'm fine with free speech. I'm not fine with ad hominems, shitty grammar ("irregardless" is not a word), and people who think liberal use of the word "whore" constitutes a valid argument. If you're preaching to a male-only choir, you're just jerking off in an echo chamber, in my opinion. Women are not your enemies.
Also, for the record, if you're the first to resort to ad-hominem, it means YOU'RE the insecure bitch, not me, asshole
How often do men complain about women not being good enough in the bedroom? Whether in trp, the manosphere, or even mainstream society, I just do not hear this complaint much. A womans sexual skill is really only brought up when a "cougar" is trying to explain why she is such a catch.
Most men can cum from a stiff breeze and some side boob showing.
Some men are probably just a little more discerning (let's call a spade a spade and suppose they have lower T than most guys) and require skill- a deft hand or mouth, a well-moving body, fitness, interest in giving, great dirty talk, etc etc. in order to be satisfied.
Countless times I have heard in frustration "well exes always would have gotten off by now" and my usual retort is "Well, guess it's time to learn some actual skill then, most of MY exes knew what they were doing (or figured it out in due course), and simply moving your lips across my dick for 5 minutes is not sufficient"
Some men have had their minds blown open by experiencing sexual skill of such high caliber that nothing is the same again and the search for it will never end.
I'm in the latter 2 groups. I'm guessing you aren't.
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Explain what is wrong with it. You can vaguely say it is bullshit but give it a crack and tell us all what specifically you disagree with.
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Taken straight from the Glossary of Shaming Tactics, like a good little troll.
You can go ahead. Sluts need love too.
Professor Mentu struck a nerve, I see.
Well, that's, just, like, your opinion, man.