http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech
What’s believed to be the first case in Canada of alleged criminal harassment-via-Twitter is just a judge’s decision away from being over.
After hearing closing submissions Tuesday from Chris Murphy, who represents 54-year-old Greg Elliott, Ontario Court Judge Brent Knazan is expected to rule on Oct. 6.
In the balance rides enormous potential fallout for free speech online.
Elliott is charged with criminally harassing two Toronto female political activists, Steph Guthrie and Heather Reilly, in 2012.
Allegations involving a third woman were dropped.
The graphic artist and father of four lost his job shortly after his arrest, which was well-publicized online, and if convicted, could go to jail for six months.
These are astonishing repercussions given that it’s not alleged he ever threatened either woman (or any other, according to the testimony of the Toronto Police officer, Detective Jeff Bangild, who was in charge) or that he ever sexually harassed them.
Basically.. these 2 feminist retards were publicly shaming a young guy who did something they thought on twitter.. and this older guy tweeted them, saying that its wrong to publicly shame ppl.. and then these 2 feminists turn on HIM and eventually charge him with harassment...
Not sure yet if this has been posted here, sorry if it has..
I just feel that the word needs to get out..
He never threatened or used any sexual related terms towards them. All he did was disagree with them politically. The girls just "felt" that they were being harassed and filed a case which caused the man to lose his job.
"The graphic artist and father of four lost his job shortly after his arrest, which was well-publicized online, and if convicted, could go to jail for six months."
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Which will bring him nothing, since women are not expected to be responsible for their actions.
Yay feminism!
Just going to repeat this because it's important:
Women are treated like children. We inherently like women, want to care for them, and don't expect them to take responsibility for anything.
Women physically resemble children. Women have fuller lips, bigger eyes, rounder faces, flatter foreheads, less pronounced nasal bridges, lighter skin/hair/eyes, and more subcutaneous body fat.
The retention of infantile traits is called neoteny. Women are physically neotenous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_are_wonderful_effect
You can't expect an impartial punishment for a woman any more than you can expect it for a 5 year old. No matter how bad a crime a 5 year old commits, the kid will always get off easy because he/she is a 5 year old. This would be true even if there were no official laws concerning age and legal punishment.
Yet teens are tried as adults in court, 8-year olds are tased, and babies blown up in their cribs by police raids. Smh. What the hell has happened to society? Why are we treating selfish women better than innocent children?
Male teens.
Male children.
Moloch demands it.
Because selfish women and their mangina minions have been allowed to dictate the terms of their victimhood status. Because the political juggernaut wants us divided in every way possible, globally, so we continue to believe we are not already ruled by one entity. Because we have collectively allowed it to happen.
You mean like the 8 year old boy that was raped by a woman and tumblrinas were trying to say he enticed her and he raped her and she was just confused is all?
Numerous (usually male) teens have been tried as adults for "<mature action> as a minor. "
It's invalid from a logical perspective. 'You're old enough to be responsible for your actions, so we're trying you as an adult; however, we're trying you on the basis that you're too young to make responsible decisions.'
Go figure.
It's only gonna get worse before it gets better.
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You make a good point about ''manning up''. I think an important designation needs to be made between men and women who blame others and demand from others, and men and women who blame no one and take responsibility for themselves. True gender equality is made impossible by feminists. Oh and the irony burns on.
Heh, I called Guthrie childish once and word got back through other work networks that suddenly I'm an MRA.
But not all women act like 12 year olds. That's why I like farm girls.
Yeah their maturity stops somewhere around 12/14 years of age when they hit puberty.
Haha I havent heard the term neoteny since I bred dogs for a little bit.
The article infers a lot. This is a respected female writer, and she's clearly sympathetic towards Elliot. The court theatrics should be interesting. The prosecuter will grandstand for political exposure, and these victim-scammers will shed crocodile tears once it blows up in their faces.
"I find it an astonishing concept, actually, that just because I feeeel a certain way that it would make it so."
That reporter is the most Red Pill woman I've heard since Karen Straughan.
Christie Blatchford is awesome. Met her multiple times, embedded with the CF in Kandahar. She also covered a lot of the native militancy in southern Ontario really well. She is zero Bullshit, logical and discerning.
Wait, have we found a unicorn?
Nation Post is a pretty good rag imo , it's a 'conservative' newspaper and I use quotes because they are nothing at like Sun/Fox media.
Actually reporters doing actual reporting...CRAZY!! :)
https://twitter.com/greg_a_elliott
It's a matter of public record still, it's not any different that shit that gets said here in TRP.
Mods, this could be you...that's fucked up...
edit: going through his tweets and I'm just seeing standard anger phase type posts. This is definitely a cautionary tale for any of us going through the anger phase and to becareful.
Has never been more relevant.
2nd edit: hmm looks like their back and forths are all pulled and it's just some stuff related to it. Damn I can't find a transcript, I do want to know what both sides said to each other.
from the Star: https://archive.is/4Ge3q
Seems like he just called them out on their crap and didn't stop, basically he used their tactics against them and they ran to the police but cannot see the irony of their actions.
3rd edit: https://twitter.com/hashtag/FascistFeminists?src=hash haha! this is the hashtag he started, just reading through it to see how the information is presented.
The guy still lost his job, and this was back in 2012 and hasn't been judged on yet. Will he get his job back, even if he is found innocent? Probably not.
The court of public opinion is usually worse than actual judicial court.
its Canada. Fucking wasteland. It's better than australia but... not by much.
Canada is wasteland? Are you retarded? They are packed with natural resources. Now the US. We have a lot of wasteland. We have a lot of deserts whereas the Canadians have forests and lakes.
He's not referring to Canada's geography, he's referring to the social structure.
Let me say this in clear terms.
Fuck Canada.
Wait, Australia is bad? I've never heard that.
The majority of it is uninhabitable desert and the entirety is infested with deadly animals, there is a reason Steve Irwin could handle our 'deadly' animals with ease.
Sue them at least. Sue them at least. Sue them at least. !BING! The magical lawsuit fairy has been summoned. These bitches are going down!
In fact the only one bullied and harassed seems to be Greg Elliott himself.
I'm curious, what did he say? Not getting much information here.
https://twitter.com/greg_a_elliott
it's all still there it seems, trying to find a transcript of all the tweets
There was recently a post about keeping your opinions to yourself.
He gains nothing by disagreeing with them.
Don't comment. Don't like. Don't retweet. Don't agree. Don't disagree. Unless you're running for public office, don't engage in any debate period. KEEP YOUR FUCKING OPINIONS TO YOURSELF.
meh, then the brainwashing continues. Fuck that, ill fight to the death if the situation calls for it.
The vast majority of people are brainless, it's a waste of time.
It's not always to convince the person you're arguing against. Sometimes you may gain support from or inform a 3rd party who was previously oblivious to the matter.
It's like what brought most of us to TRP. seeing it mentioned in a comment directed towards someone else. Not all arguments are fruitless
This came up in another thread. Can't find the article but supposedly he didn't stop harassing them. Not sure that makes him deserve jail but he isn't an angel either.
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They did block him. He was tracking conversations the women were having with other people on twitter and then jumping in on those so the women who blocked him could still see it -- bypassing the block in a way. Also, one of the women had a restraining order against him, which had included an order not to contact them via twitter, but he ignored it. Also at one point the women went out to a bar and he tweeted the name of the bar for some reason. Not sure how he knew where they were.
They had to search for their names to find it. They could have used Tweet deck for filters. This is more of 'Don't tell me to row away from the rocks, tell God to move them!' mentality. One of the Slutwalk organizers was, of course, an airline stewartess. All fake plastic hipsters with no historic knowledge or media savvy beyond how to generate click bait.
Some of biggest narcissists and overall sad and damaged people were in #witopoli and #topoli tags.
So it's there fault? You can't harass people and saying they should have avoided it is not a good enough reason. I enjoy what this sub is trying to do and promote but don't blind yourself because then you become just as bad as an ignorant feminist. I want a world based off reality not one where one kind of person is always wrong
It's Twitter. I don't use it. In what way was he harassing them? By posting messages on his own Twitter account? Couldn't they just not read what he wrote?
If they're activists they've already put themselves out there and they're already public people. Can't really expect other people to not disagree with what they have to say.
In fact reading the article it appears more that he has been the victim of harassment. On (& worse) off the Internet. That even taking it to the law is part of the harassment.
You shouldn't be able to be thrown in fucking jail for saying shit on the internet, harassment or not. It's a very slippery slope. Is it wrong? Sure, whatever, I don't care. Is it hurting someone in real life? No. The worst it can do is hurt your feelings, unless he shows up in real life, in which case it's different. He's just expressing ideas. On fucking twitter. Come on, man.
I'm all for not being angry when it involved red pill and anti-feminism, but this goes beyond that. This goes beyond that realm.
you're in a public square; this is like a religious nut street preaching and getting the guy with 'this guy is an idiot'-sign arrested for harassment.
secondly she simply could have blocked him, it is not the same thing as 'avoiding', because it takes no effort and solves the problem. She just didn't like other people were reading his tweets disagreeing with her. In my analogy; the street preacher just has to push a button and every time he looks in the direction of the guy with the 'this guy is an idiot'-sign he would see nothing and hear nothing. all he knows is that there was a guy there disagreeing with him, but he might have left for all he knows
You say "harass" and yet harassment should not even be illegal until it involves physical contact. People need to quit thinking that words can hurt them.
Physical harassment is difficult to avoid obviously. But if arguments on Twitter are causing you great amount of stress, pain, and embarrassment, there are a myriad of solutions. Delete your posts, report actual harassing posts, contact a moderator if in a forum, block any users involved, or simply close your computer and walk away. I'm not victim blaming, this is simply a matter of knowing when to stop feeding flames. Of course we should teach people not to steal things, but if someone leaves $100,000 in a golden Ferrari in the wrong part of town, unlocked in the middle of the night: then we have to put some blame on them. If someone is harassing you online, you can get away. In real life, that is when you press charges if it is extreme. But that is irrelevant, because this man only disagreed with someone. How have we come to live in a world where merely disagreeing with an insecure, but loud, landwhale would get you locked up for 6 months. Jesus
Yeap. The article doesn't even touch what he actually did - just a list of things he didn't do. I can't really judge based on just that.
https://twitter.com/greg_a_elliott
seems to still all be there, which is really weird. His twitter account hasn't been touched in 3 years.
One thing I noticed in these types of cases is that the women who are "victims" always get together with their girl friends before hand to devise a vicious plan to cause as much damage as possible to the man's life. It's sickening. According to what I read, they were planning on sticking him with some pedophilia thing by having a chick pretend she's 13? WHAT?? That's just insanity.
The craziest part is the fact that the man is facing charges based on feelings. And the girl even had the audacity to say that sometimes feelings of fear develop over time in victims and that she's "SORRY" if she doesn't appear like a cookie-cutter victim right now. Like, bitch what? You have powers? You're predicting that you might (might not) end up feeling fear in the future and that even though at the moment fact for fact you're not afraid?? And the court is entertaining this fuckery?
Also notice how the defense lawyer mentions this case being like that of a bunch of high school kids (women are children theory), but they're not, they're actual adults. She couldn't handle a little opposition on Twitter so she retorted to using cyberfeminist witchcraft techniques to destroy the guy, and she's in POLITICS. She picked the wrong calling.
Lastly, guys, understand that women feel emotions 20x more than you do. A pinch is a nuclear bomb, arguing against them is declaring world war etc.
I agree in part and then disagree in part.
Yes the victims get together and want to cause damage. But that's not "feelings" that is cold hard manipulation and strategy.
Women are also not adults. They are children. They do not develop past a 14 year old's maturity or intellect. That is the major problem with Western society now, they are elevated beyond their capabilities and are given powers that children really shouldn't have, because children are not objective and can't use power correctly, they abuse it.
And lastly, I don't think women feel emotions at all. I think they fake emotions and try to use them to get their way. I've seen plenty of women, starting as young as 14, cry and make scenes, and if nobody pays attention to them they just pick themselves up, brush themselves off, and wait for another opportunity.
Women are cold and callous. There is no compassion in them. They can also very easily move on no matter how many years they've been with a guy. They don't have any loyalty (see Briffault's Law). Men fall in love easily and long term, we need TRP to set us straight. Women don't have these issues, they bounce around from man to man looking for whatever is best for them.
Don't think of women as emotional creatures. Think of them as actresses, or even psychopaths, because that is what they are. No woman has ever been blinded by her emotions, if men aren't around to take care of them women cut out the histrionics because they don't work on each other either.
I always liked Dylan Moran's view of women's feelings.
The plaintiff is a "Gender Justice Consultant". I swear you can't make this shit up.
When they start creating their own official sounding titles, then you know that the retard runs deep in that culture.
Oh fucking hell. That's enough for today.
This guy was even friendly with them before hand. He at one point offered to design a poster for one of their events. Feminists are ready to threaten your livelihood the second you don't toe their line, regardless of past interactions.
Briffaults Law is real. Prime example of that right here.
I'll never get out of the rage phase.
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This was huge for me.
I was stuck in the anger phase and cost my self some dates with women I got along with really well because I spent so much time reading little more than TRP.
Go outside, the crazy shit we read here isn't as common as it seems, though it is terrible.
After a while you become desentizised. You realize intellectualy that this is BS but it doesn't affect you emotionally anymore.
You aren't desensitized enough then.
You have to be careful with desensitizing yourself. If you can't feel the heat then you risk being burned.
I have never heard of this 'rage phase' before. But I can confirm I've been stuck in this for almost 8 months now, 2 months after I broke up with my ex.
Can anyone tell me where I can find some content on this issue alone? It's intriguing. Articles like this make me so fucking mad!
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Frivolous lawsuits are damaging to judicial legitimacy. Without the rule of law men devolve into the state of nature which is puts women at very serious risk.
They brought it upon themselves.
Honestly I would argue that our civilization is a state of nature.
So you're going to change that after you get your law school diploma?
What's the fucking relevance relevance?
I would disagree with the charges, but after reading the entire article still I don't know what he's being charged with.
tl;dr: Take Your Daddy Issues to Court Day becomes a national holiday in Canada.
in canada it is harassment if the person feels like their life or well being is threatened.
the girl says that over time, she became more fearful of his as the debate went on, leading to him "harassing" her despite her inability to ignore/block communication.
*If they feel like they might feel fear in the future.
She says she MIGHT feel fear in the future.
what the fuck is wrong with you canada? did you get snow in your vajayjay?
That's the kicker for me.
As the defending attorney, I would have asked her/them what reasonable measures they took to quell the harassment. Did you ask him to stop, stating that you felt harassed? Did you attempt to block his means of communicating to you?
Oh? You did neither? And you instead had a group meeting on how best to shame and "punish" my client, which seems to have culminated in a frivolous lawsuit, would you not agree?
But I'm not a lawyer. I'd probably end up looking like Leo Decaprio in Catch Me if You Can when he plays at being a lawyer.
And that's another reason why any sane human should hate feminism.
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Appreciate your perspective. Don't think I could disagree more though.
We should hate this nonsense with the burning rage of a thousand Gengis Khan's, it's destructive to the collective male. Be selfish if you want that's your prerogative. But collectively... men should hate the fuck out of this shit and not let it step another foot in our homes.
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Anger and higher wisdom are anything but mutually exclusive. The feminist PC bitch boys and their goddeses just want you to think that so you'll refuse to be angry with them.
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I get you here btw
You are not saying ignore them, he is saying DO NOT LET THEM GET YOUR GOAT!
i.e. don't lose frame when interacting with SJW, it's even more important not to.
Sorry, but that's terrible advice. Toronto is increasingly becoming a hellhole for anyone who dares to have a Y chromosome. Putting it on the backburner of your brain is simply dangerous even at the individual level.
Actively refuse to deal with these femcunts. Any self-identifying feminist is a ticking time bomb.
I don't really understand why anger is said to only be temporarily useful. Maybe it's true for some but for many it's a lifelong motivator and never falls obsolete. For others it's just a natural emotion and repressing it is harmful. Sometimes it becomes useless but I think that's less common than red's often say it is.
Anger is useful.
Rage is not.
Rage is useful otherwise we wouldn't have it. However it must only be used when necessary, required, or is justified. Jumping straight to rage every time you get annoyed is not using it the way we developed it. Rage kills the beast that has fangs and claws, because reasoning with a carnivorous predator or another man intent on killing you isn't going to be effective.
Not necessarily. Rage may have been useful in the past, and be maladaptive now.
The very concept of rage precludes the ability to make this judgement.
Of course it is, if handled by someone who's not an idiot.
Agreed.
If you respond with rage and hate, you are playing right into their narrative, and losing your frame and control, and accepting theirs.
You don't hit children, you don't argue with idiots, and you don't get into emotional arguments with women.
You should not hate the movement, as its intentions are the same as every man and woman's: wealth and power.
What is wrong and worth hating is democratic rule, as it limits freedoms and steals from others. Democratic rule favors those who produce the least, while stealing from those who produce the most.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Agreed the problem is with democracy and government itself. I don't really understand how some men can claim to be "red pill" while supporting statism.
I believe the reason men support statism while claiming to be TRP is because they do not understand the effect of government in the sexual or monetary economies.
Nah ill stick to the other guy advice hatin will not solve anything its time to work on things and by that start by myself. In fact i will learn the feminism game and will crush them. I stand by my name for a reason im always the top ranker while playing, at my work, but not at the gym or when theres a debate ao i will on these until i become at the top!
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We understand it just fine here. This is what it's bringing us.
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You must be lost. This is the forum where we recognize actions, not dictionary definitions or words. The feminism we see is ruining free speech and open markets under the guise of "equality" (which is a definition with constantly shifting goalposts).
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equality does not exist in nature and biology .
You dont try to fight nature . You can't mold nature through this social construct "equality" .
The more humanity tried to implement this marxism ideology the sooner society will go back to its tradition gender roles. Women are not equal to men in any way. They never were and never will be .
you need to read up on the origins of feminism.
This isn't crazy for that ideology, it's PAR FOR THE COURSE!!
It encourages this behaviour all over, go take a women's studies course and you'll see how bad it is.
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El Chapo should deal with these 2 cunts.
I'm really hoping that feminism becomes rampant and guys just start assassinating politicians.
Won't happen. The more popular modern feminism becomes the more likely men will withdraw from society. And in 50 years when men finally invent the believable sex robot women will wonder where all the men went and why.
50 years? It better not take that long.
I'll be 76 by then, I'll have a few nuts left to bust I hope.
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I've always said it's honor, loyalty, and integrity that are masculine traits, drilled into is from early childhood. Women/girls just don't have the same expectations placed on them like that.
I like Jack Donovan's concept of "tactical virtues" -- strength, courage, mastery, honor.
I think it goes back even deeper. Men evolved honor/loyalty instincts to better construe a functional hierarchical system within the tribe. Loyalty to one's in-group vs. the out-group they'd be warring with would be a trait that would have been selected for, given the survival benefits.
Women never needed such traits. If anything, the opposite was true, given how often they'd become war brides.
Women are expected to do whatever benefits them the most; optimize the female imperative. People do not uphold them to moral standard because honor, loyalty, and integrity hinders this goal.
Those are indeed the tenets of a true man
Maybe I'm just being ignorantly hopeful. But when women are struggling to find ANY men worth committing to I'd like to think their ability to reason might kick in and they'll reform for a shot at true love.
OR they'll just buy robot men to cheat on, shit on and humiliate in public before they junk it for another updated model. LOL
Please, someone post this to those two twitter twats. Lol
But first they will shame men for using them and then try to make them illegal (either "breaking down the fabric of society" or "think of the children!").
At no point will they try to compete with dumb sex bots, even though they could - easily.
Case in point: porn. Women are failing to compete with pictures of themselves. That's right - when women feel threatened by porn, they are threatened by their own image. Why? Because porn does not passively-aggressively say no, and that is the basis of female power.
Women already try to shame us for porn. They REALLY try to shame us for Real Doll type shit too. They will try to shame you for getting muscles. They'll try to shame you for sleeping with lots of women. They will always shame us for trying to take our sexuality into our own hands. That's just what they do.
But when women are going out and all they can find are taco parties they'll start changing their behavior. It'll be hilarious to see, too.
No, usually it's that porn contains women (and men!) that embody an unrealistically achievable perfection of body. Even the most attractive person gets saggy bits by the time they're 40, and can't look as good as anyone in porn.
Dumb and shallow people try to chase that dream by pursuing surgical alteration, and feel threatened that they can't achieve perfection.
These people need to watch more actual porn rather than how they imagine it.
50 years? well we are almost there.
http://gizmodo.com/finally-a-vr-enabled-twerking-robot-butt-that-you-can-1716792260
we just need the rest of it.
50 years? Ask and you shall receive.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/04/sexbots-realdoll-sex-toys
Hahahahaha I forsaw the same thing, currently getting into robotics. :)
Gonna be a massive money field in the next 20 years. Robots will be awesome not just for sex, but for working jobs we won't, working places we can't and fighting wars we shouldn't. Massive growth field. Just go chill on the AI development, will ya'?
But robot consciousness is so fascinating! What if we're wrong and it's super baller having hyper intelligent robots. We would be rollin like it's Star Trek in no time.
I'm actually Hammurabi's Law is added to the law. It won't be. But it would certainly level the playing field.
Feminism already has won. it is part of the mainstream ideology in the west and spreading.
It doesn't affect his profits so not really a point. Though if you are interested, the cartels and anonymous had a showoff once. It ended without any casualties but still interesting.
Trans North American Justice
Cartels are top red pill men. Tho violent.
But they take shit from no one.
Men are violent, humans are violent, probably the most violent species ever evolved, our destruction knows no bounds and we thrill at the thought of it.
It's fight or flight, men tend to stand and fight, women run for cover or just stop where they are and freeze. The cartels don't know flight, they have nobody to run to because their shit was stolen. They must deal with it themselves, and in an outlaw environment strength and resolve are everything. Be stronger and do not hold back with the retribution. You're alpha or you're dead. It's that simple.
I feel that the employer is a coward. Especially since the artist was fired because of an arrest, not a conviction.
Sadly this kind of shit happens all the time. If you're arrested for anything, whether you did it or not, you are likely to get fired anyway.
New developments in this story. I love it. http://www.canada.com/twist+Twitter+harassment+case/9643198/story.html
Link is down. What was there?
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TORONTO — The so-called Twitter case — what appears to be the first time in Canada someone has been charged with criminal harassment based entirely on tweets — has taken an odd and unexpected turn.
Ontario Court Judge Brent Knazan came into court Thursday to announce he had received a letter from a stranger making the startling allegation the complaint he is hearing “is fraudulent, or worse.”
Greg Elliott of Toronto, 53, is charged with criminally harassing three women, though the Toronto Police officer in charge of the case, Det. Jeff Banglid, already has testified he found no overt threats or sexual overtures in Elliott’s tweets to any of the complainants.
The first one, 29-year-old Steph Guthrie, an articulate political activist, was on the witness stand when the trial first adjourned in January.
According to the letter, parts of which the judge read aloud in open court, the person claimed to be a former acquaintance of the three complainants and alleges they “conspired, in my presence, to fabricate a criminal harassment complaint” against Elliott.
The person also alleged the conspiracy extends “to the ministry of the attorney-general,” information relayed in the summer of 2012 by two of the complainants’ friends.
Judge Knazan said the letter, which he received Tuesday, was signed and provided contact information.
But he kept the writer’s name and gender out of the public domain, in case the person was well-intentioned or was unaware it’s inappropriate to write to judges.
Neither did the judge read aloud the names of the two complainants’ friends mentioned in the letter or its first paragraph, in which the writer explained the reason for writing.
Still, the judge said, the “allegations leave police and Crown counsel no option but to investigate,” and adjourned the case until its next scheduled date in May.
Interestingly, according to the Criminal Code of Canada, a criminal harassment charge appears to be rooted as much in the alleged victim’s perception of the offending conduct as in the alleged conduct itself.
(I also received a copy of the letter to the judge, sent by email last week, before the judge got his. I attempted to reach the writer via the contact information included, but neither phone number nor email worked.)
When the case previously adjourned two months ago, Guthrie was in mid-cross-examination by Chris Murphy, Elliott’s lawyer.
Murphy had questioned her at length about a meeting in the summer of 2012, when a group of people, including the other complainants and a couple of their friends, gathered to decide, as she put it once, “how as a community we could respond to predatory and harassing behaviour of men,” including allegedly Elliott, on Twitter.
One of the friends whom Guthrie identified as being at the meeting is one of the two named in the letter and alleged by the writer to be knowledgeable about the purported conspiracy.
When the meeting ended, Murphy alleged in January, the attendees “had a plan to deal with Mr. Elliott … Each of them had a role.”
At one point, he told the judge, “It may be that at that meeting, a conspiracy to commit a criminal offence took place — to criminally harass Mr. Elliott, to commit mischief and interfere with his ability to enjoy Twitter.”
Given that all this happened well in advance of the letter being sent — the judge’s announcement and the letter appeared to take both Murphy and Crown attorney Marnie Goldenberg completely by surprise — it renders at least some of the writer’s allegations relevant and appears to lend them a little heft.
Were the people at the meeting — all the complainants attended, remember — just talking about what they could do to stem the oft-misogynistic ramblings on Twitter or did they hatch a plan to target Elliott, to make an example of him?
Certainly, the self-possessed Guthrie has admitted to “outing” others she deemed to be creeps.
She was questioned extensively about her decision to publicly shame a 25-year-old man from Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., who had invented a “beat up Anita Sarkeesian” video game, where users could punch an image of the feminist video blogger until the screen, and her face, turned red.
Guthrie had wondered aloud on the web if she should blow the whistle on the man, or, as she put it, “So I found the Twitter account of that f— listed as creator of the ‘punch a woman in the face’ game,” she tweeted. “Should I sic the Internet on him?”
When the answer was a resounding “Yes!,” she tweeted a link to the story about the game “to prospective Sault Ste. Marie employers” and the local newspaper.
As Murphy put it to her in January, “This was another case that rose to the level where you agreed with online vigilantism” and accused her of wanting to ruin the man’s life.
“I was simply making people aware,” Guthrie replied, but she acknowledged if others took action that ruined his life, “I would not feel sorry about that.”
This article is dated March 20 2014, so it's not "new". The ruling is still expected this October.
Wow. This bitch belongs behind bars. She is a hypocrite and she is abusing the law to get vengeance on someone who she disagrees with politically. Shit like this makes a mockery of the legal system and she should be punished.
Hey this might be a stupid idea, but do you think there will be a point where enough men against feminism will get together and riot?
Almost definitely not.
What you may start to see is acts of violence against people who pull stuff like this.
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It seems the farther feminism gets, the more men are waking up.
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more and more men, especially the younger generation love feminism...
I'm 23 so I think I still qualify as 'younger generation' for most of us here. It's not as bad as that. For the most part I think more and more of us are putting on the feminist mask to stay out of trouble, but still dump the kool-aid in the house-plant instead of chugging it down.
really? every discussion I have has at uni or school there are more female anti feminists than male anti feminists...
just saying
feminism was enabled by men made into law by men men love it...
Unfortunately, University is a terrible place to be honest as a guy. On campus, women have way more freedom to express what they actually think.
Grab a couple beers with the boys, no chicks around, you'll be surprised.
Also, do you really expect the women to get the laws into place? They don't take action, that would open them up to failure.
And like any cause that's lasted far longer than it should have, it will eventually destroy itself. This has been the creed for any society that's been established, let these feminists do what they will, in the end they're only hurting their cause by doing so.
I'd rather not be the victim of their bullshit anymore. False rape, false sexual harassment, divorce rape, jail time for shit I was accused of with zero evidence for and plenty against, just because I am a large, muscular, intimidating ex military man.
Fuck with me anymore and you're putting your life at the mercy of my mood. That's why no bitch will live with me, marry me, or even hear me say I love you. I live in the woods and avoid people, because one more false accusation or punishment for simply being male and I will do something worthy of punishment. I'd rather not, so I avoid situations where someone can affect me like that.
Whenever you feel like this, take a break from TRP and the internet in general. The world is not as bad as some angry people on trp portray it to be.
That man who lost his job for simply defending a kid on the internet could have been any one of us.
Something needs to be done and fucking soon, and if we all took the same passive indifferent attitude then nothing will ever get done.
Any country that has "free" speech laws like Canada's there are not free countries
Couldn't agree with you more...sometimes you just have to "unplug". Pun intended. Good day.
I am canadian and I live in Toronto.
Men side with women.
You wouldn't believe some of the horror stories I could tell you.
If you have the time please type one up. I like getting my jimmies rustled from time to time.
Oh yeah brother, wear a red banana and join the rebellion against the evil empire, and if they catch you you can pop a red cyanide pill into your mouth!
Its a bandanna not a banana retard.
It blows my mind we're 120K strong and we do nothing. Where is the outrage? This should be the tipping point. This is dystopian. Any call to action gets immediately shot down with "We're not MRA's! Don't talk about the RedPill!" however I feel at some point somebody needs to draw a line in the dust and say enough
No, a conviction should be the tipping point. People can bring lawsuits for just about any reason, if they have the time and money. The true litmus test is when those lawsuits bear fruit.
Now, I'm probably reading a lot into a few sentences near the end of the article, but it sounds as though the plaintiff's attorney isn't even very sure of the merits of the case, refusing to make a statement or release transcripts of her case. That's a far cry from "Oh, these poor women."
Now, if they actually find this guy guilty and sentence him? Yeah, then it's time to break out the pitchforks and torches.
thats true, but it's pathetic that today a guy can lose his job for this shit. The guy in canada who said "fuck her right in the pussy" on tv lost his job after e-feminists kept calling his place of work and complaining about him
those were canada, but even that one story about the guy taking a picture of a star wars poster and then got chased through the store by some crazy bitch who posted his pic online and said he's a pedophile
i guess when the majority of western population is fully retarded, you get retarded results. no surprise when you think about it like that
I doubt he was doing very well in his job if they'll let him go over some bitchy phone calls.
If you're valuable to the company, your boss would tell them to fuck off.
Its a PR move. If they don't fire him, it is now the feminists against the company and they'll do the same shit online to this company. It doesn't have anything to do with his value or performance.
He didn't back down to their pressure and see what happened? The company is hoping to avoid the same issues.
We are far too few in number, and ultimately not a unified coalition. We all have slightly differing goals.
I agree that there's a point where enough is enough, especially given that this is happening right in my backyard, but all we can do is act to our benefit on the personal level. Cut ties with anyone and anything remotely tied to feminism.
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i'm here to do those things as well (obviously) but to sit back and allow our culture to become so diluted to the point where we fear to disagree? It seems cowardly to have such a large group of like-minded individuals stay silent hiding behind the notion that speaking out and activism is futile. I can't do much I'm just one man, but this still is a democracy and over 100k voices means something.
Ever read about the rat utopia experiment? There are other writeups, but here's one from ROK.
http://www.returnofkings.com/36915/what-humans-can-learn-from-the-mice-utopia-experiment
We may be over a hundred thousand, but how many of them are simply here as the "beautiful ones", as described in there? Solely focused on themselves. Sixty percent? Seventy? Eighty? Hard to tell. And, while it may disappoint you that so many simply don't care, the few who do care can still make a difference.
Chin up, mate. I'm not even in the US, and I want to help.
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You'll give a shit when something goes sour with a plate and she gets you locked up for "harassment" that she "perceived" and you lose your fucking job and face public scorn
We're mostly Americans here and Canada doesn't have the same free speech laws as the United States. In Canada, groups like the KKK or Neo-Nazis, WBC, etc. don't exist.
But hey, if you want to organize a rally here in the U.S. I'll join ya.
Choosing the right time is paramount, you do not begin an invasion of Russia in September, you do begin an invasion of Europe in June. The timing of action is nearly as important as the action itself.
If we were to do anything, we must wait until the bullshit is at the point where people can easily see through it, see the hypocrisy for themselves. If we move too early, our 100k will seem like a burp to the billions out there. There must be enough snow for the avalanche, otherwise it's just a pebble rolling down a hill.
120k against what, 310M others in the US? And how large is Canada's population?
Get a grip man. You will get destroyed trying to fight it, we're not MRAs, we know better.
TRP and MGTOW both arose because it was impossible to stem the tide of feminism. TRP teaches you best how to deal within it, MGTOW best teaches you how to avoid it (and is the safest possible path you can take). TRP is calculated risks that are designed to derive a benefit.
What benefit is fighting this for any of us? Especially those of us not even in Canada?
whatever man. have an up vote and get the fuck out of my face
Why don't you man up a bit instead of being such a whiny cunt? BP much?
damn bro calling me BP that's so alpha you must slam HB10's on the reg change your name to chad you're the fuckin man!
Seriously, I don't give two shits about other people screwing themselves over. If they're going to insist on screwing themselves, let them have at it. Paternalistically determining for someone else what is best for them is about as disrespectful as you can be in my book.
I deal with reality; fighting a losing battle out of principles is the domain of the emotionally stunted.
Starting from the premise that it's impossible to change one person's mindset to redpill if they're not looking to change it for themselves, how do you expect 120k to change the mindset of the world? Just keep this to yourself and use it to your advantage. The world is going to shit and there's nothing you can do about it except to vaccinate yourself against shit.
Time to stockpile some guns.
This is not an activist group.
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Life ain't fair, but there has to be some sort of minimum acceptable moral standards that everyone should uphold. This is outrageous and should be challenged.
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No, the lesson is to watch your back. He was totally open about his identity online. Thats a big mistake, even when you are in the right. Feminists don't fight fair - we know this.
The lesson is Don't get Doxxed, maybe even use a VPN. Imagine if some Feminist at reddit released all our IP/email addresses and then the unemployed army of fat SJW's set about systematically trying to fuck our lives....don't think it couldn't happen. We need to stand up to these cunts but we need to realise that we are vulnerable where they are not!
"Look, I'm self-serving too, the world could burn after I die for all I care.
If everyone followed that advice, however, we would all be slaves.
Who cares about a man put in jail for thoughtcrime? Just ignore it, pretend to be a good citizen and go on with your life.
Who cares about this? Who cares about that? Understand the rules and play the game to win!
Repeat this process until you can't even say what you want in private.
Someone has to step up sooner or later and say "Enough"." /u/LeeHePro
I tried to warn people about this case over a year ago.
https://archive.is/IYdbA
OMG Canada's down the tubes. Compared to that, the USA is reasonable.
honestly that's just a fallacy of the "big ol bad US of A". I don't mean to offend any Americans here and I assume as redpillers we're all past that stage where we moan and cry about us being offended over a piece of land but I feel it's just as bad in the states as it is here in Canada and if not it very well will be soon enough. Just my opinion though.
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I wish I was around back when we were known as "storm troopers", fuck this "apologetic Eskimo" BS.
Completely disagree. Lifelong Canadian, visited over a dozen American cities. The climate is different. Only Portland and San Fran are similar. Other American cities are far more sane.
Canada is pretty deep into the feminist rabbit hole. We drank the kool-aid and then made an enema out of it.
Yeah.
Come here in Toronto and live there for 10 years.
Then come back telling us whether you were right or wrong.
I can still a tell a bitch to shut her cunty trap here in the USA, without fear of getting tried in court and losing my job.
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Apparently anything can be defined as harassment and the law has to take it seriously. If anyone downvotes me, or replies to this comment with anything I don't agree with, it is literally harassment and I will press charges!
Classic projection. When I clicked on the article I expected to see the guy had said some nasty things on Twitter but hadn't even done that. He did just the opposite and told them you shouldn't harass people online. The women are guilty of the very thing they're going after this guy for. It's very Orwellian.
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If you read the article the report makes the point that he never made a threatening or even sexist comment. He just disagreed with them and they were determined to make him pay.
Right, I assumed it was a biased article, which tends to be common. But nope.
Wow, this sounds insane.
Feelz before realz. Even in court!?
"When he asked her to point to one — just one — that had instilled fear in her, she snapped, “That’s not how feelings work, Mr. Murphy. They develop over time.” When the lawyer suggested she wasn’t fearful, that she’d made fun of Mr. Elliott and taunted him, she sighed theatrically and said, “There’s no perfect victim, Mr. Murphy, and no perfect way to respond to being stalked. Sometimes you have to fight back a little bit…. I’m sorry if I wasn’t a perfect victim.”
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-the-twitter-trial-of-gregory-elliott-is-becoming-much-like-twitter-itself-shrill-and-uber-sensitive
Ahhh fucking hell. I'm not emotionally connected to the pill at all, I hit the acceptance stage 2 years ago. But thats one thing that still gets the fist clenching; "Im sorry if I wasn't a perfect victim". That was what mattress girl used as a defence when the messages about her asking for sex and being flirty after she was allegedly raped were leaked to the press. Its a great reframe to be honest.
Unfortunately, that is how the law works. You have to... you know... prove things.
There are no perfect victims, but there are fake victims. Prove to me you aren't one.
God this victim perpetuation shit is infuriating. If you can make yourself look like a victim you can get someone punished for anything. Where the fuck is the personal responsibility? If she didn't want to see his comments then she can block him, simple as that.
Notice she has Problem Glasses.
It doesn't end there. Ever heard of "re-education" camps?
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Funny, I got into an argument, on the internet, and the person felt threatened, despite the fact I never once attacked her as a person. While she attacked me as a person. I think I learned my lesson here never argue on the internet, especially with women.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.
To say nothing of arguing with women.
Or men who act like women. I once saw a video that was anti-war and shared it on facebook. It mentioned that most soldiers aren't heroes, they are there for personal gain(education, a career, or just to kill some terrorists). My friend(and, at the time, soon to be roommate sadly) got all pissed and started attacking me personally and telling me how offensive it was. I was just like "dude, it's just an opinion. You can disagree." It got the point where I had to pretend to agree with him so he would stop harassing me and so we could live in peace the next semester. God I hated living with him. He's so emotional. It felt like being married to crazy woman. After a year I'm finally getting away and I don't intend to talk to him again. It's not just women. Dont argue on the internet. Dont share your opinion. People can't handle it when you disagree. Their minds are far too fragile.
So... a political prisoner then? Don't sink that low, Canada.
Somebody should sic 4chan's Anon on them, so they understand what Internet harassment REALLY is.
Just who is this 4chan anon? Is he some sort of system admin or computer hacker?
I can't understand why anyone Tweets. Seems a week doesn't go by without someone getting into hot water for choosing the wrong sequence of 140 characters
Yeah, I stay off Twitter unless I am going to a conference mostly. I don't know the character limit, the fact that it is tied to your identity, with far less privacy, means in my opinion you really shouldn't post personal information on there. Though as time moves on we are losing sort of this narrative that the internet is a place for aliases, a place for anonymous discussion, and honestly for the most part that is better in some instances. I feel like people often disassociate the real world and the internet world.
Though personally I don't know I couldn't find any actual information on this case that wasn't steeped in bias, but no one actually posted the actual tweets. So it is hard to formulate an opinion, I feel like if there are threats involve that is vastly different than disagreeing with someone.
Yet somehow, according to some redpillers, "we shouldn't bother with politics, but live our life at the fullest and ignore them".
The ruling isn't until October 6. If he rules in favor of Mr. Elliot, then all of the handwringing is for naught. It doesn't look like a strong tangible case in favor of the women, and it might even leave open the possibility that he could sue them for actual damages.
Man was drug into court over words on the internet! Ya it is still a problem even if it is ruled in his favor.
If the ruling goes against the women, it sets a legal precedent that will make attorneys unwilling to take such cases to trial in the future. It also makes radfems look foolish in the court of world opinion.
I hope he doesn't hold back. Destroy those idiots.
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Free Speech doesn't exist in Canada like it does in the USA. There is no First Amendment in Canada. Free expression is enshrined in Canadian law, but it doesn't cover "hate crimes", "hate language" etc.
True, but you can certainly hack it.
Amicus curiae have absolute immunity from libel and defamation. This was true, BTW. She is to be pitied, not punished.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-twitter-harassment-trial-halted-by-surprise-letter-alleging-fraudulent-conspiracy-against-accused
To be fair, Canada doesn't have free speech. That's mostly unique to the US.
not quite, countries like Holland and Denmark are free speech absolutists, even more then USA.
free speech doesn't exist in Canada. It just doesn't. You could get arrested, laid off because you said something on the street, even if you were joking.
Any transcripts of said tweets? I'm noticing a severe lack of evidence for this case.
Do not try to see a feminists logic. That is impossible....only try to realize the truth.
They have no logic.
This is getting media attention due to the retardedness (read: Canada) of it.
He won't get jail time unless there is some "public concern" ie. he threatened them or something major. The prosecutor's attorney didn't even want to talk she knows how fucking dumb it is lol.
This wouldn't have even gotten this far in the American court.
Source: Lawyerfag friend.
Canadian feminism is the worst in the world
The West is in the midst of it's own Cultural Revolution...
Feminism and freedom of speech seems to be contradictory ideologies. It has become more apparent lately with feminists attacking various people on social media and threatening legal or political action simply because they don't agree with someone's opinion. Oh how petty people have become, and how ignorant they are for supporting such a cancerous inhumane ideal.
Just another reason to stay off social media. Social media is for betas and women.
This is absurd. Feminist are far more violent than the men they hate.
We live in a world of princess faggots. This trend will only get worse.
Sounds like it's going by summary conviction, so it's up to 6 months in prison, or a $5000.00 fine, or both.
Will probably just get a year's worth of probation (if convicted)
Still BS though
if the guy killed himself it's his own fault for bringing it on? Victim blaming.
And what else, disagreeing with femcunts is harassment?
do we really need any more reasons to bite the redpill?
This is the reason I'm off social media. I have a knack of getting into arguments and calling people out. And no one can track down satanicpriest13 from reddit.
I saw someone mentioned Hammurabi's laws. I would take most of the sex-related stuff and put it into law IMMEDIATELY, while there is still something we can recover.
I guess Canada doesn't have free speech, but this is why people should maintain their privacy online. He used his real name and they knew who he was. If he had used a pseudonym, perhaps they'd still track him down but I bet it would have been harder and maybe they'd think it not worth the effort. Also they'd need to subpoena twitter and an ISP or two for the information, so it would take awhile.
Twitter in general is more for businesses to market themselves. It doesn't make much sense for regular individuals. I tried it out a bit and didn't see the point.
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Apparently she does have a boyfriend. I can imagine the pegging must be painful.
Is there the snapshot of these conversations anywhere? How can we see for ourselves what exactly happened there?
Canada doesn't have the free speech, so such ridiculous things happen.
I had been banned online for "trolling" few times on various boards for simply disagreeing with the predominant line of the conversation. Every time I carefully reviewed what I said, and stood by every word I said. People just can't tolerate opinions too different from theirs.
Welcome to the female privileged society liberal, progressive feminists have fought so hard for. Removal of free speech would be a great victory for them as they can say whatever they want and claim harassment if someone answers back.
A lot of times on TRP I see things posted about current events and can see both sides as having understandable positions. For instance the other day when the video tape of that QB jacking that girl in the face, I didn't see that as rampant anti-man media rabies.
This on the other hand is just foul. This is just bald faced naked villainy. I consider myself to be a fairly impartial judge on current events and this is just not OK.
This will only be interesting when a judgment is reached, and only if it goes against the man, if then. As it stands now, it's just another frivolous criminal complaint, not uncommon in the most countries.
Granted, it's hilarious and sad because it's a batshit feminist making the claims, but still. Let me know if it goes down in the worst way.
the dude lost his job...over this shit, granted its just a job but at the end of the day he has had his name dragged through the mud.
It would be interesting if someone built a small cage and locked these women up in it. Wouldn't be that different from what they are attempting to do , only difference is the state is not involved.
Steph Guthrie and Heather Reilly
I don't believe that this story is real. I'm not being hyperbolic. I'll see you bandwagon-jumping fucks in a couple days when the facts come out.
Holy shit. This is beyond insane. This guy lost his job and will have to spend time away from his children all because he told this entitled cunt off on twitter. How did it come to this?
Whenever people tell me that the US doesn't need its constitution, all I can do is laugh. When they point to Western European democracies (and the commonwealth) to show that you don't need a constitution to have civil rights, I laugh even harder.
Say whatever you want about us here in les états unis, but this shit would NEVER have happened here for the simple fact that we have robust Constitutional protections that forbid it. These idiots would never have found a lawyer stupid enough to take their case.
People point to western European democracies to argue against constitutions being necessary? I live in one such democracy, and we have a constitution just fine.
Specifically, a Bill of Rights. Sorry, I should have been more specific. A constitution is generally more of an organizing document, laying down the structure and boundaries of a government. I'm speaking more specifically of our bill of rights.
There are a lot of laws in Europe that could never be passed here, as they would trample our individual rights. In particular, a lot of European laws concerning public speech would be totally illegal here. Same goes for firearm ownership,
The freakiest part is that everyone keeps pointing out he never made any sexual comments towards them. Does that even matter? Since when do you get six months in prison for a rude sexual remark? If he's going to be an asshole over twitter than well fuck him but six months in prison?!?! That's besides the fact that he didn't even do THAT.
There's no way that the judge will rule in favour of the two piglets. Even with Canada's shitty 'freedom of expression', this would cross a line.
Also, the civil liberties interest groups would takeover funding to appeal this all the way to the SCC if they won. They're well funded and well represented.
I would seriously have to reconsider this country if this shit was actually ruled by a judge.
No threats or statements to fear for their safety, and they were already planning on destroying his reputation and character.
This is fucking sick and twisted.
One of my [former] SJW Facebook friends posted an everyday feminism article about 'thin privilege.' I wrote a very long, well thought-out, detailed argument against it, attempting to be as civil and open minded as possible. She was a friend of a friend, I've gone out to bars with her with our group of friends, so I didn't want to burn any bridges. I posted the comment, and skim it through for spelling/grammar errors. Not more than 30 seconds later, I reload the page, and saw she unfriended me; she definitely did not have enough time to read my comment all the way through. I had a feeling she would delete it (the articles she posts never get likes or comments, but all her selfies get dozens of likes). I message her saying how it was really immature to unfriend me because she disagrees with what I wrote, and that she could've replied to my argument. She replies with an emoticon and blocks me. She then proceeds to subtweet me, talking about how people are ignorant, calling me stupid, and saying how she can stand in an argument, but I was too stupid for it to be worth her time.
What did I learn from all this? Never engage these people. They have their agenda and have made up their mind on their philosophy. They act like they're open minded but they're really some of the most closed minded, immature, and petulant people in our society. Acknowledging them only gives them undeserved credence. You could argue against SJW talking points to people who aren't necessarily SJW's but who may sympathize with some of their views. But never engage with sJW's directly. Not only is it unproductive because nothing will come of it, but by addressing them you are only giving their arguments more legitimacy. My hope is that if we ignore them enough they'll slowly go away. Directly engaging them will only want to make them scream louder.
I guess my only recourse is that she didn't attempt to 'ruin' my life and dox me
Guthrie unfriended me on Facebook when I called out her DISQUALIFY! ... on Twitter.
Make one bad move against the mother hen activist, and you're persona non Grata. GAE is a autist who is neuro-atypiucal, and annoying, but he's harmless and certainly no criminal. Anyway, Guthrie was my red pill for leftists.
Former NDP worker
If you have time to PM me, I'd be interested to hear your story.
These cunts need to go to prison
This shit is getting out of control. Same thing is happening im Brazil, the government even created a site where people can expose this kind of online harassment. It's called, 'humanizing the networks' and of course they only care about harassment made on feminists, blacks and lgbt. At least we have a few people fighting against this SJW shitters.
Not too late to nuke Toronto.
There will come a day when feminists are no longer protected by political correctness, and will face the pent-up rage that they have tried so hard to silence.
She refers to herself on Twitter as a "Turtle Island Settler". "Turtle Island" being the aboriginal name for North America adopted by the SJW brigade as a sort of white-guilt Mark of Cain to show how "inclusive" they are.
She is a lynchpin of the feminist Stasi in Toronto, which is itself the black, flaming bunghole of feminist ideology made manifest in the Western world. She and her sister harridans planned to take this fellow down, according to testimony.
When feminism finally faces the music -which it must - that battle will begin and end in Toronto.
You know, if some of these dudes cracked and started shooting these women, I can't say I would be surprised.
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Where are you getting this information?
It was on Sept. 11 when Reilly began to be concerned for her safety, she testified. She and a group of friends met at a west-end bar and were tweeting about their evening, she testified. “A whole lot of ugly at the Cadillac Lounge tonight,” @greg_a_elliott tweeted. The tweet made her fear that Elliott was at the same bar and search the room to make sure he was not, she said.
New account, first two posts here and only here.
Fuck off with your leftist entryism. It's patently obvious what you're trying to do.