After reading this gilded comment here, and seeing all the replies to this comment, I thought about making this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/aene9r/my_33f_stepdaughters_17f_boyfriend_18m_pushed_me/edqyan4/
http://archive.is/aNmTO
Basically, this commenter says ''When I was young, I date abusive bad boys but when I got older I gained self-esteem and matured''. Following this comment are a slew of comments in support from other women who also said they dated abusers in their teens and early 20s only to later mature past it.
Basically, I'm getting a real sense of ''When I was young, I dated shit partners, but now I date better ones''. There are a lot of guys out there who are well put together and mature, that will feel left out in the dating market when they were younger, these guys will feel like they were never given the time of day by these women in high school/college but now only have women flocking to them in their 30's and above.
Some people will try to say ''But you won her!!'' however the reality is that these women fucked around with assholes in their physical prime and then ''mature'' and settle down with the guys who they'd never give the time of day in their youth. Even when these people's parents told them that it's not a good idea to date someone with abusive tendencies, they didn't listen, hence they are complicit in their own abuse.
Some people refer to this as the ''Alpha Fux Beta Bucks'' concept - that's one way of calling it, I refrained from using that term though (even though I am a RedPiller) here.
[–]where_muh_good_mensSheriff Goodmonkey57 points58 points59 points (7 children) | Copy Link
That top comment:
The problem is, women know they are dating an asshole, but most men have no idea they are dating a psychotic bitch until the divorce proceedings.
Even though the comment was redpilled, it was still offloading responsibility, as if to say, "Men are at fault too!" If women didn't select men that abused them, then abusive men would be far less prevalent. The reasons why they are attracted to them is because of the apparent protection they can provide. But many men that date pyschos don't realize it until after a long history with that person is established and they let loose their frame. The abusive man is idolized by the female mind as being a strong, dominate force who will fight against outside elements recklessly, while the psycho bitch is generally unwanted biologically or as an interest among males.
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Furthermore, the asshole-ness of the asshole is what attracts the girl! It's the display of male dominance that makes her pussy wet.
OTOH, psychotic behavior in a bitch may be tolerated for a while, but not a single man in the world gets a stiffy from a psycho being a psycho. None except for a handful of dudes with a humiliation fetish.
[–]mwobuddy24 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly what stefan molyneux says. If you choose to make babies with the genes of abusive violent men, guess what you get more of in society.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the PPD mods posted that sometimes young women just don't know what's up.
Yeah, no. I call bullshit.
Women know what they're getting when they get with a guy. They know he's a player. They know it's a ONS. They know he's a prick asshole. Women are educated about this shit up one side and down the other. They get to choose. Men display, women choose. Men propose, women dispose. Women are the ones who decide who gets sex, when, and under what circumstances. And women know who they're having sex with, they know what kind of men they're fucking, and they know what to expect.
I don't believe for one minute that a woman doesn't know she's dealing with an asshole. As you said, it's the asshole qualities that attract her: The independence, the "I don't give a fuck" swagger, the refusal to compromise, the "imma do what i want, when i want, with whom i want, and bitch, you're just gonna have to deal with that" stance.
[–]LeJacquelope0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Nah, I don't believe that. Many of these women give signs well before marriage. For instance the extremely hypergamic women show their colors well before marriage. You can expect a short-lived marriage, and to get fucked up by them in a divorce.
[–]whittlingmanSr. Shit Testing Hoe Fumbler1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
This type of person is a very different person than just an extremely hypergamic woman. Their entire thing is that their reactions and demands to things are just completely nonsensical and very extreme. They may hold it together for a while and seem normal, but then oops, you didn't do a thing she imagined you would just know to do, and then BAM! Pyschotic bitch bursts out.
They are the female equivalent to an angry short-tempered man who is also crazy, but since they can't just punch you in the face, they do all sorts of insane stuff.
[–]LeJacquelope2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Like punch you in the face anyway because they know the law will be on their side if you punch back, or use a weapon, or get someone else to do you in (like cry "abuse!" and let a cop do it)...
[–]Chairman_Ellen_PaoPuts extra mayo on his roast beef tacos25 points26 points27 points (0 children) | Copy Link
#NoSympathy
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla25 points26 points27 points (6 children) | Copy Link
I call this the maturity myth. I'm working on a post on this principle. I touched on it here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/a661ud/comment/ebsfbep
PS: Sticky this post please.
Edit: missing word.
[–]brazil84 1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
What gives the game away is the timing and circumstances. If a 21 year old childless woman says that she dated a few abusive bad-boys but has emotionally matured, it's potentially believable. But inevitably the women who claim to have emotionally matured are either (1) single moms; (2) post-wall; or (3) very close to the wall.
In other words, women's "readiness" and "emotional maturity" to stop dating the fuck-boys is correlated almost perfectly with their financial needs and reduced ability to attract the players.
[–]notyourdude2012 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Indeed. Barring exceptional cases, these women do not mature at all. They are simply wired from birth to like assholes and are assholes themselves.
The reasons leading these women to go seek betas are from outside factors - getting too old to attract the assholes they want, debt, and societal pressure.
They still remain as childish, emotional, psychotic and narcissistic womenchildren even to old age.
[–]0kool74Twisted up from Ditsy Dames0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok Mods we need to bump this dude's flair from Jr. Hamster Analyst to Sr. Hamster Analyst.
[–]where_muh_good_mensSheriff Goodmonkey0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He's in the rearview.
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™-1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
I think only you can stiky your own comment.
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That was directed to kevin. In hindsight, I should have tagged him to make it clear.
[–]mr_kukGlory hole aficionado20 points21 points22 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It is worse than rape to have any expectations of self respect on her part. Your disapproval of any of her behavior signals her to increase that behavior. You are not dealing with a human being, you are dealing with a feral animal with human rights. Patriarchy is whenever a woman is not allowed to act on her base impulses, therefore patriarchy will never die and women will always have a weapon against you whenever you don't like their feral behavior. You might see it as enabling the feminine imperative, but it appears slightly more sinister. We are forced into the role of impulse chasing machines and any attempt at civilization is considered anti social.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This. ^ best comment I've read from you so far. Upvoted.
Feral cats, the lot of them.
[–]NickTesla2018Built his own hamster wheel18 points19 points20 points (0 children) | Copy Link
No Leftovers
[–]houseoftolstoyHeavy Marauder of Truth Bombs18 points19 points20 points (2 children) | Copy Link
When a woman is young, she has the greatest amount of power when it comes to choosing who she dates, as she will have the interest of many men. If she chooses assholes over all other guys, it shows that she squandered the power she had to date the kind of guys she supposedly did not want. That is, if you believe her words when she is in her 30s.
You always have to ask yourself, would she have done things differently if she could turn back time, or would she have done the exact same things? The suspicion that she would not have done things differently, along with the knowledge that she overlooked more respectful and decent partners until she no longer had as much power is why guys these days are not going for those women who have claimed to change.
The truth that many guys suspect is that she still wants those days with the assholes, but can no longer have them. Therefore she sees Mr. Backup Plan and thinks that she should just be able to get his love and commitment despite doing nothing to prepare herself to be a good partner for him. As this knowledge is more common, Mr. Backup Plan is backing out.
[–]loneliness-incLvL 99 Rogue NiceGuy™7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Usually they don't actually regret dating the assholes, they just wish they were successful at locking one down.
Here's a litmus test - did any of the now matured girls you know, asses their now diminished value and chase after and marry a lower value man? I'm sure the answer to this question is that some have.
Now ask yourself, those who did succeed in getting married in their 30's, how many are ever so grateful for being given a second chance to marry a good man, that they just worship the ground their husband walks on.
Anyone?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Mr. Fuckoffcunt
[–]0kool74Twisted up from Ditsy Dames5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only do they not deserve sympathy, they deserve to be scorned and shamed for it. Men everywhere should excoriate them so viciously and shun them to the point it causes depression. Now that'll be a hard point to get to, but it should be done to keep any man away from them. Men can no longer afford to have their lives usurped and destroyed by a pair of inferior chromosomes. Of course, that's tongue-in-cheek sarcasm because we know that'll never happen.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
[–]notyourdude2012 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women who date assholes are also assholes. Don't put them on a pedestal and view them on a noble light.
[–]goldmedalflower-1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, those assholes they dated probably had large cocks