Note: please feel free to suggest better write-ups in comments
Note: No this post is not trying to "debunk" womens issues in health, they have many legitimate issues in healthcare. This is debunking the usual feminist narrative "women opressed in healthcare, men privileged" (absurd) and ironically it is feminist themselves gaslighting you, trying to downplay mens health, and saying to you "why are you downplaying women's health" - the only person trying to erase one gender is feminists!
INTRODUCTION
Copy and paste this below (and thats all you need to do, save this post) if posters make the above claims, stop wasting your valuable time and energy arguing with feminists making long posts (leave that to anti feminsits e.g. Karen Straughan, becauseits2015, unless of course its your area of expertise, passion or you have talent in it) focus your time instead on activism eg. writing letters (MRAs get things changed all the time with literally one letter or one tweet.... people here don't follow MRA on the ground enough they have thousands of victories). Arguing with a coffee shop feminist on reddit with no power and likely no even real yniderstanding of feminism is" HIGH effort, LOW yield result" work.... a 10 minute letter to a company, organisation, school or whatever maybe correcting a journalist on false stats etc is low/moderate effort higher yield... also the positive effect you get when you send a letter and get a reply (and you usually do get a good reply, dont listen to negativity here) reinforces you to do it again.... then post your letter here, which encourages others... see 10x better use of your time than debating Brenda the coffee shop feminist on reddit. I admit I post a lot, but im doing it on breaks and I do enjoy it.
Also remember when you debate, you are debating for the audience NOT the radical (who is unlikely to change their mind).... thats why be polite, dont lose it, and it doesnt matter if they dont agree, you are arguing for the moderates who will see your argument laid out..... this how people are red pilled
Also see here:
https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/best-practices-for-debating-feminists/
But as I said, dont waste your time doing it, no point!!
Here Is The Copy and Paste Post:
Note: No this post is not trying to "debunk" womens issues in health, they have many legitimate issues in healthcare. This is debunking the usual (some although mainstream) feminist narrative "women opressed in healthcare, men privileged" (absurd) and ironically it is (some although mainstream) feminist themselves gaslighting you, trying to downplay mens health, and saying to you "why are you downplaying women's health" - the only person trying to erase one gender is feminists!
What causes this flawed view? See the last link in this post for why. But first:
Women not treated as seriously by drs?
Again huge feminsit talking point and myth:
Emily Dwass’ opinion piece repeats the charge that female patients’ complaints are ignored by doctors because of their gender.Her impression is not supported by research into this issue. A large nationwide review, which examined 46,868 office visits, revealed that the care received by men and women was similar about two-thirds of the time. When the care was different, women overall received more diagnostic tests and treatment — more lab tests, blood-pressure checks, drug prescriptions, and return appointments.In the United States, we spend twice as much on the healthcare of women than on that of men. Even if you exclude obstetrical care, females at every age receive more medical attention than males. The charge that the healthcare of women is neglected because of their gender needs to be evaluated in that context.Andrew G. Kadar, M.D., Beverly Hills
The clinical trial myth etc
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96jun/cancer/kadar.htm
Obama Care:
https://www.menshealthnetwork.org/Library/ACA-MHN-discrimination-comments-110915.pdf
the entire health system:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31354093/
UK:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2012-06-25/male-health-initiatives-get-less-money-than-those-aimed-at-women
The entire world:
https://www.pjp.psychreg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/nuzzo-120-150.pdf
General info:
https://www.amhf.org.au/exactly_how_big_is_the_gender_health_gap
Surely other health issues that affect men more are gendered to men though right?
https://www.amhf.org.au/give_blokes_a_fair_share_of_suicide_funding_says_amhf
https://www.amhf.org.au/accidentally_left_out_government_injury_strategy_ignores_men
Why does this thinking occur?
https://quillette.com/2020/07/27/the-myth-of-pervasive-misogyny/
Gamma Bias: https://malepsychology.org.uk/2018/12/04/why-are-there-so-many-disagreements-about-gender-issues-its-usually-down-to-gamma-bias/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD3PqQfwgaY
https://quillette.com/2019/06/03/considering-the-male-disposability-hypothesis/
** and narcissistic as hell way of thinking
Also another thing to consider, is if we applied the feminist lens, why should men and women be treated equally anyway in healthcare? Or be researched or have services? If we apply feminist thinking its OK for women only STEM programmes and quotas, right? Its OK that 92% of sex specific scholarship are women only despite women 2.5 million more women in college per year... so the same applies to health right? If men die 4-12 years younger than women and die earlier in 12/12 leading causes of death, shouldn't men be MORE researched, have MORE services than women? See the link above about the gender health gap, part of it is biological e.g. more boys are still born, or infant boys die etc... shouldn't healthcare apply "postive discrimination towards men"?.... or is this a case of one rule for me, but not for thee? Now not only is this rule not applied, of course the exact OPPOSITE is true "the privelged gender" ie.e women, actually have far more healthcare, spending, services, research... see all the links for absolute crystal facts not just "yeah but my anecdote" only 2% of countries have a men health policy and all WHO, UN goals are all related to the "privileged genders" health with 0 for men (again see cold hard data in links above, not "yeah but by anecdote")
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TOXIC MASCULINITY
https://www.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/ko06nw/feminism_is_not_a_movement_for_equality_its/
From mensmod:
Point 1: By calling it "toxic masculinity" feminists are using plausible deniability to associate masculinity with toxicity, while claiming that isn't what they are doing. That is exactly what they are doing, and it is raising a generation of boys who want to be "woke" by hating their own gender. There are plenty of other terms that could be used, or phrases, or other ways of making the point if that is what they wanted to do.
Point 2: There is no talk about toxic femininity, which also has toxic elements under the same umbrella. This reinforces Point 1. If the goal was to deal with toxic behaviours that have gendered, socially reinforced trends, then there would be equal discussion of toxic masculinity and toxic femininity. But there isn't. Reinforces Point 1.
Point 3: The qualities you point out aren't toxic inherently. In fact, they have been critical to human society for the duration of written history. These traits have allowed men to sacrifice their lives to protect their society, to work themselves near to death to support their families, to put up with horrible life conditions to support their families, etc. The same qualities were needed for most women, too, up until around 100 years ago, as they dealt with horrible conditions as well. Women have more uniformly been able to accept the traits and behaviours of what would formerly been exhibited only by the wealthy, where as men still need these qualities to survive.
Point 4: Women are attracted to those traits. Ask pretty much every man, and they will say that women in their lives have disliked when they have shown emotion, vulnerability, etc. It can't really be toxic if this is what women actually desire. (It doesn't need to be every woman for it to be women in general.) In my life, my male friends have been far more supportive when I was struggling emotionally than my female friends. I have lost female friends over displays of emotion (not anger, just sadness, tears, etc). Women, in general, want men to be strong enough to support their emotions, and don't want to have to support men's emotions. Just look at the arguments being made about the "emotional work of women". One of the arguments feminists are toting around is the emotional work that women do at home - as if men don't spend vastly more time supporting emotional women? Feminists and nearly everyone would admit that women are more emotional than men, on average. Men wouldn't be told to that they need to show more emotions if otherwise. And yet women also claim they do more emotional labour at home. These are in contradiction with each other.
In the end, this is part of a concerted effort to make men fail in every aspect of society, to beat men down into submission. If there is no winning the game (feminism), there is no point playing. I quit, I am done, feminists can go fuck themselves. I will stand up for my gender, I will stand up for the behaviours that are biologically/hormonally appropriate, and I will not let feminists tell me what it is like to be a man.
My body, my choice, fuckers.