The issue is not what women gives, instead is what men are receiving.

CHAD_TDK · 2020-03-26T17:16:07+00:00

I second every single statement.

I would add: TRP makes certain statements about life, sexuality, SMP, SMV; and some suggestions as well.

Then it's up to the individual to test, if they so wish, the validity of those statements or otherwise; and to test IRL those suggestions. Anyone is free to embrace them, tweak them as they see fit, or reject them.

Then everyone, individually, can make their life's choices better equipped with more knowledge and understanding of the dynamics. Should someone decided to consciously live what TRP call a Blue Pill life, more power to them; or MGTOW if they so choose, or get married or whatever. It's all about free choice.

On the personal level I think TRP is wrong on a few things, off the top of my head:

AWALT: I can't just accept that, I am a strong believer in individuality, free will, free agency... [you know where I am going]... and I believe that blanket statements and generalization can be very dangerous.
"How to overcome LMR (Last Minute Resistance)": [EDIT: I won't go into details what TRP says... it's a bunch of techniques to "overcome" LMR. What follows is MY M.O. in case of LMO] if a woman at the very last moment of a sexual encounter (or before, or during) says "NO" or - worse - plays games with "consent", cease and desist any and all activities right there and then; at best you misunderstood, at worst she's crazy AF.

One of the biggest takeaway from TRP for me personally, and from many guys is that:

some women, but not all
some time, but not always
are actively looking for casual sex, NSA sex

and - if a guy decides to pursue such activities - TRP offers some very good suggestions on how to engage with these women in a manner that is mutually satisfying.

The above facts might be old news for a lot of people, but to me, and for many people who were simps/blue pill indoctrinated was - at first - hard to believe, and then - later one - a very welcomed surprise; akin to winning the lottery or having acquired some sort of superpower.

Joey_Lopez · 2020-03-26T15:02:12+00:00

I say that every man needs to take the red pill. If females want to ride the CC let them. Just don't be the sucker that she settles for afterwards.

dylang92 · 2020-03-26T17:39:08+00:00

I mean the only thing I want to be is one of the fuckboys engaging in all of this. Unfortunately that’s only reserved for attractive men.

MuleFool42 · 2020-03-26T19:42:21+00:00

I think that if women have all these FWBs and sexual freedom, which they've basically had since the 60's, then not much has changed for them.

What has changed is men. Women have been fucking the same 20 percent of the population for forever. But Those guys haven't changed either. But the other 80% of men that would normally date and marry a single mom or some other woman that is willing to 'settle' for them in their 30's just so they can get some sex, those men aren't going for that deal any more.

Whether it's because of porn, TRP and different offshoots like MGTOW and a general focus on one's own development and priorities, more men are bugging out of marriage and LTRs.

And that's a good thing. Nobody should be anyone's backup plan. It's better to live by prioritizing yourself than to be some simp for a person who doesn't really love you or want sex with you anyway.

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12112019 · 2020-03-27T00:42:18+00:00

The majority of people still want to get married at some point in their lives. And there's no way for those women to marry the hotter, sexier, best men they can fuck. Get sex is easy than a relationship.

This leads to women marrying men who they are not sexually attracted to. They may be attracted by the qualities of a good provider these men have. But this will not be enough. Dead Bedrooms and the high divorce rate are proof of that.

So if men are starting or already in LTR where sex is being denied, or negotiated, know that something is wrong.

Right, the problem is that most of these men are retarded, that is basically the jest of it, who in their right mind will want to marry aging CC whores, that is beyond retarded.

MooseKabo0se · 2020-03-26T14:58:37+00:00

We are telling these men to improve

No, you guys are mostly telling each other that women’s standards are too high and that we’re “hypergamous”. Just another tactic to put man’s sexual failures on women instead of accepting responsibility for being unkempt or having poor social skills.

Edit: Woowee. Go the fuck outside guys.

Bntt89 · 2020-03-27T01:04:19+00:00

I think it's kind of dumb to say she is used up after having sex more than you. Its possessive you dont own her dude she can do what she wants. But I cant blame guys for wanting to be the guy who wants to fuck a bunch of women. Its completely rational, why would anyone want to be the guy who ends up in a dead bedroom to later end up hating your wife. It's not really unreasonable .

zino193 · 2020-03-27T06:08:41+00:00

>By today, all men must know that women are attracted to hotness over other aspects, enjoy some kind kinky sex, and have tons of options to choose.

Not only today, since ever - and not hotness, but power. There's a lot of pretty boys that aren't getting it or that fall head first into marriage with a 7 that sucks a mean dick and makes him feel important.

Infernovice · 2020-03-26T15:55:27+00:00

The Red Pill is not about slut-shaming these women. The pill is for men to learn how to navigate in this modern sexual world.

This is how rp views itself.

By today, all men must know that women are attracted to hotness over other aspects, enjoy some kind kinky sex, and have tons of options to choose.

Men already know this, if you picked a random dude off the streets, and asked him if woman value attractiveness the most, he would answer yes.

This leads to women marrying men who they are not sexually attracted to. They may be attracted by the qualities of a good provider these men have. But this will not be enough. Dead Bedrooms and the high divorce rate are proof of that.

A statistic on the reason for divorce https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/

In that list is Lack of commitment
Infidelity or extramarital affairs, Too much conflict and arguing, Getting married too young, Financial problems, Substance abuse Domestic violence

High divorce rates is caused by a multitude of issues, not just this one "This leads to women marrying men who they are not sexually attracted to"

and saying high divorce rates is proof of the issue is simply false.

Now I can hear this response coming from a mile away

"WoMEn LiE"

Can you control for it? maybe give an exact percentage so we can control for it? Is it the majority or the minority of woman who lie? and if you answer either one, could you give a source for it? This is also ignoring the fact that men lie too.

Until we can gauge an exact amount, we have no choice but to take them for their word.

slavicslothe · 2020-03-26T16:18:38+00:00

Unironically saying beta bux is enough to make any woman think you're ridiculous. It's not a conspiracy man, you generalize too much.

Title	The issue is not what women gives, instead is what men are receiving.
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