How do you take something as all encompassing as RP and water it down to only face/height matter?

rus9384 · 2020-03-27T17:44:01+00:00

Only losing 1 point for short height? LMAO

IWTKMBATMOAPTDI · 2020-03-27T17:28:38+00:00

I think the problem with your analysis is that not having something in those categories translates to negative points in real life, not no points.

dylang92 · 2020-03-27T18:13:27+00:00

Because you need a base of certain qualities for it to actually work. This idea that TRP can work for the shortest Indian janitor is absolutely silly, a dude can follow the entire RP doctrine, and do everything “right”, and he will still ultimately get no return on investment except maybe LTRs. Most men are looking to TRP to get them casual sex and allow them to spin plates.

Anyway for TRP to work, you need to be, or at least have the potential to be a 7/10 in looks by most women. What I mean by that is that you have to be where low end attractive starts, or you can be because you have a baseline of good physical genetics like having good bone structure under your fat, or by being tall or average height. Many things can improve your looks and bring you ever closer to that 7/10, but there are things that will keep you out of that range by default.

Saying short is only one point off in your post is absolutely wrong, being tall is considered one of the close to universal preferences of women. The specific inch/cm will change based on the area you’re in, but it’s to be taller than the average (so yes even 5’6 may be considered tall in some third world parts of the world). More likely you should put that every inch under the average height for men is another point off. And that’s just reality. Now can an incredibly attractive face make up for the short height? Absolutely. Can being tall make up for a relatively plain or sometimes below average face? Again absolutely, every person is different and sometimes find a physical trait to mask the bad ones. A 7/10 isn’t an honest to god Chad keep in mind, he doesn’t have to be handsome and tall, but he needs to be one of those to a certain degree. But all that being said you need to make an attempt, you need to actually try. You might fail, but what else are you doing. I’ve been trying for years, and I’ll never be a majority 7/10, but I’ve put in the effort I know it’s over.

Wealth, status, all that shit doesn’t matter unless you’re at millionaire or celeb status. Plus all that’s going to net you in LTRs anyway. And, let’s not forget “game”, the magical “game”. It’s not real, it’s something attractive men tell themselves is because they need something to explain why they’re good without saying “it’s cause my jawline is attractive”. Every “successful” game, every PUA artist flaunting success, every redpiller who has been saying “oh it works, my game is amazing” is always some tall, attractive looking dude. Which is fine, it’s expected, I wish I was attractive too. I have seen average men try game, and it has never worked. I’m not gonna tell my below average buddy’s story again, but he’s a perfect example of his game absolutely means nothing.

RepresentativeSwan1 · 2020-03-27T17:56:47+00:00

You are not understanding the dynamic correctly. A person's attractiveness is not simply the linear sum of all their good traits minus their bad traits.

If you are a 3/10 looks or below, looks are the only thing that matter for you.

Given that most of the men who post here are probably that, it makes sense that they would focus on "looks are the only thing that matter".

Zippo-Cat · 2020-03-27T17:50:54+00:00

All these factors obviously matter so how do these guys come to the conclusion that only face/height matter?

Maybe because of things like this:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/88php9/physical_attractiveness_is_the_strongest/

Or this:

https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/8mmarq/physical_attractiveness_is_the_strongest/

Even if we go with "Looks, status, personality" model, it does not mean that all three are of equal value. Having good looks will help you reach higher status and develop better personality(as far as picking up women is concerned)

zino193 · 2020-03-27T19:14:13+00:00

Man, sit down, we need to talk - do you honestly think women date rationally? Not talking the points system, I mean you honestly thing, a woman chooses to sleep with someone after they evaluate his CV, his personal life and his grooming habits?

saladfingers4141 · 2020-03-27T17:29:39+00:00

Because blaming things you have no control over is much easier than actually working on yourself.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-03-27T19:53:49+00:00

I've never seen a website with so many of the MGTOW in it. If you honestly believe that you can't win... then you won't.

2020-03-27T22:47:40+00:00

Go out one time with a tall handsome guy and watch as all the game bullshit falls away.

He doesn’t have to approach women, they orbit and open him.

He doesn’t get fitness tests, they’re actually submissive and polite to him.

He doesn’t have to be charismatic, he can in fact be quite dull and uninteresting and still pull without trying.

He doesn’t have to be powerful, he can display shitty weak body language and women will still push past you to get to him.

Red pill dating tips are a coping mechanism.

A woman takes one look at your height, body fat level and face and knows instantly if she wants to fuck you. All approaching many women does is increase your odds of finding the one who would have fucked you anyway.

sadomasochrist · 2020-03-27T18:00:33+00:00

Because incels and blackpill men have complexes. They're not looking for a total picture to put together and then to operate within the framework.

TRP sucks to read because it's like "oh, well this is a lot of work and I will fail a lot." But maybe if I change these things, I'll be better positioned and increase my contacts, start going to dancing lessons etc.

The incel\bp guys are looking for a reason why they will never be successful.

So they take something that has a large degree of truth, which is that alpha traits are mostly born and then just throw it in.

I can respect MGTOWs because they are making a calculation whether or not you agree with it, that "it's not worth the effort."

That's doing all the math.

What most incels\BPs do is just give up then say its futile, fatalism.

Where everyone gets them wrong is that some of them are futile. No one knows what to do with truly ugly and useless men.

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CMOAN_MAYNE · 2020-03-27T22:55:11+00:00

People argue over what RP means.

RP means women like winners.

Winners are good looking and successful. Some of this is out of our control, but a lot of it is in our control.

There are no excuses for not maxing out what is in your control.

SuitableStart · 2020-03-28T06:20:31+00:00

Try a minimum cutoff for looks and height atop all that

Ballface8020 · 2020-03-28T23:45:50+00:00

face isn't that important. Really it's just height.

Deep_Sushi · 2020-03-31T09:57:05+00:00

pretty sure the black pill is way more popular than the red pill now that every idiot realizes the red pill consists entirely of dopey white PuA who only strike with asian women while trying to sell you the cure

Orange_Paisley · 2020-03-27T17:46:23+00:00

Not being nice or being a good family man.

False. Many, many women’s ovaries burst to see an attractive man cuddling a baby or holding a puppy.

Title	How do you take something as all encompassing as RP and water it down to only face/height matter?
Author	jacktenhasfarts
Upvotes	12
Comments	95
Date	March 27, 2020 4:53 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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