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[–]Davidfosford144 points145 points146 points 3 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link
woman: why do men judge me for how many men I've fucked, like why does that matter?!?!!
same woman: shut up you incel
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The irony is amazing.
[–]ChibsFilipTelfordd15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmfaoooo damn the truth hurts
[–]randomfixation7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
women are not known for being consistent
[–]Fappington22-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
certain people are so obsessed with sex-count that they start to hate large swathes of people that have sex. That is an incel, virgins are tight tho ;)
[–]Davidfosford12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
shaming people for being too ugly to get sex is hypocritical
[–]Fappington22-2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
don't think anyone is ugly to the point that they cant find a partner. believing that is the result of insecurity
[–]Davidfosford9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
you are very uneducated on this topic.
everyone is insecure, many female models are just as insecure, but don't have a problem.
being an incel is not the result from being a little bit insecure. "Just be confident and shower bro "
[–]Fappington22-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
no one is educated on this topic, your first comment was a generalization of women get outta here with Education
[–]Davidfosford2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
how was it a generalization on all women
[–]Fappington220 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
lmao ok, guess it was a very specific woman you had met.
[–]Davidfosford3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
keep changing your story to fit your narrative champ
[+]LillthOfBabylon-6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (60 children) | Copy Link
You can be a virgin and not an incel.
[–]TypesWithEmojis12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
U can't but ok
[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But you can lol
[–]redricblue-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am a virgin not a incel, just accidentally stumbled upon this sub
[–]LillthOfBabylon-3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Not everyone’s trying to get fucked ASAP. There’s more to life than fucking.
[–]TypesWithEmojis0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
True but in meaning involuntary, and cel meaning celibate, incel means virgin whether you use the label or not.
[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Keyword “involuntary”...there are voluntary virgins, clown.
[–]TypesWithEmojis0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You're missing the point.
[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
In what word could I possibly be missing the point? Do you know what words mean?
[–]TypesWithEmojis-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because im talking about involuntary celibates, not voluntary. Involuntary would mean they tried to lose their virginity but failed. Im not talking about voluntary celibacy or chaste men.
By that definition, most incels would be virgins, save for the escortcels or ones who get a prostitute.
You're coming off as aggressive for no reason btw
[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Still does not mean they have to be a virgin to be an incel. Lol and you think that’s aggressive?
[–]LillthOfBabylon5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
incel means virgin
Nigga, people can be virgins because they want to be. Fuck off with that incel shit.
[–]TypesWithEmojis5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Cover your ears, block your eyes, make youself believe it's not a used term, what will change?
Nothing. People will still be using that term no matter how you feel about it.
And imo if you've tried to lose your virginity and failed, you'd be, by definition, an incel. Not a twitter's definition of "incel" which is basically a alt right, nationalist, terrorist. Chaste men are not incel as they aren't trying to lose anything.
[–]LillthOfBabylon2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
And imo if you've tried to lose your virginity and failed, you'd be, by definition, an incel.
Dude, not even self-proclaimed incels are actually incels. They're just mad super models won't have sex with them.
[–]TypesWithEmojis3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea I've been on those subreddits before a good chunk have mental issues.
But this is America(for most on Reddit), where mental health issues and men's wellbeing are seen as inferior and the culture isn't supportive.
You haven't gone outside for 2 days because you're depressed? Seek a therapist. You're a young struggling man disillusioned with society with little to no support? Seek a therapist. Oh wait it costs how much money? Fuck that.
Add a splash of resentment and dash of misogyny. And it's not to hard to see why those types use those subreddits to vent and communicate and go deeper into their echo chamberlike mindsets.
Same could be said with FDS
[–]LillthOfBabylon2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
where mental health issues and men's wellbeing are seen as inferior
They're not seen as inferior. We just can't force them to get help unless they're a clear danger to other people. Most crazy people don't know they're crazy. Also, depressed men seem like to blame their problems on other people. Hence, less people willing to help them. In addition to men telling other men not to seek help.
Oh wait it costs how much money?
I mean, if you really want to get into, free healthcare is only the solution if you're getting good healthcare. Our government can't even handle the pandemic, but I'm suppose to trust them with my healthcare? Really? Last time they messed with healthcare, everyone's premiums tripled.
[–]beyond_relevant1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How strong was the orgasm?
I mean, i cant see any other reason for this degree of strawmaning other than that you get off on it.
[–]LillthOfBabylon2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's not strawmanning. Even Elliot Rodgers confessed he only wanted hot blondes at the local sorrority.
Most of you also love claiming "sex is a need" while refusing to pay for sex, proving it's not a need.
[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Technically, you don't have to be a virgin to be celibate, so you don't have to be a virgin to be an incel.
[–]Davidfosford0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
to be involuntarily celibate you have to be a virgin
[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, celibacy is just abstaining from sex/marriage. You can have sex, or even be raped, and then choose to be celibate. Think whores that become nuns or some shit like that. Now sure, those people would be vocals, but incels can occur too. Say a guy gets married, and becomes widowed a decade later, but then he can't seem to find a new partner despite trying. He would be an incrl at this point, he is only abstaining from sex because no one will agree to sleep with him.
[–]Davidfosford0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
did you miss the involuntarily celibate part, if he had sex or was married hes not an incel
[–]Assassins-BleedBlacked is the best porn0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s how you know red pilled men don’t get pussy. They’re consumed by it. Not even about them fucking, they’re obsessed with other people fucking.
[–]PickleLineSimp for Low N-Count women4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
The point of using the "incel" insult instead of "misogynist" is to call someone a loser for being a virgin
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Why are you guys siding with incels when people have found disturbing posts from Self-proclaimed incels?
edit: Incels are a particular type of misogynists who think their virginity is everyone else’s problem will rape and murder over it. For example, Elliot Rodgers.
[–]Davidfosford0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
feminists think their inability to succeed in the work field is everyone else’s problem
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Feminists didn't do the mass shooting nor did they run over women in Canada. That would be the incels.
[–]Davidfosford0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
many black men have murdered and commited mass shootings, does that make all black people evil
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
A better comparision is virgins. No one thinks all male virgins for are awful shitty incels.
commited mass shootings
Technically, our worst mass shootings were done by white men and islamic terrorists.
[–]Davidfosford0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
many people think all black people are evil and thugs just because a handful of them do allot of crimes, that's why its a good comparison
we aren't talking about the worst terrorist attacks, i was making a comparison
your thought process is identical to a racist if you think all incels are evil
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
many people think all black people are evil
Not most, no matter how much SJWs want to lie about that.
Just like no one hates male virgins. We hate psychopaths who keep insisting all women need to be enslaved.
[–]AmirZ2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yep that's called a volcel
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Most incels are volcel. They just think not having sex with supermodels makes them incels.
[–]AmirZ6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You cannot be both involuntary and voluntary celibate, that's a literal contradiction
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They don't give a shit. Elliot Rodgers thought he was an incel because he couldn't get hot sorority blondes to fuck them.
[–]Davidfosford2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
do you know what incel even means
its hypocritical to shame people for being too ugly to get sex
Most incels aren't ugly. They’re just a bunch of 4s and 5s with 2 personalities. In some cases 1/10 personalities because a lot of them want women to be sex slaves and a couple wrote about wanting to rape their sisters and kill their families.
[–]Davidfosford6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
let me guess they just need to be more funny and shower more.
So if a few black men murder and rape people that makes all black people like that? what an irrelevant statement,
so what, if a few incels are fucked up, incel just means a guy who is involuntarily celibate, you cant just attach the rest of your negative assumptions on them just to justify your hate on them.
[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It’s not ”a few incels” it was enough of them doing that to where they got banned from Reddit. Also, Elliot Rodgers has been called ”Saint Elliot” by incels a lot of times. Another example of an incel is YandereDev, creator of Yandere Simulator.
Being black and being male is a race and gender someone is born with. No one is born an incel, so nice try.
[–]Davidfosford1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It’s not ”a few black men" that rob and steal, is it okay now to be racist and generalise them?
saint elliot is firstly a meme, secondly thats not all incels, again you're generalising to justify your hate, just like racists do.
Yes you are born an incel, that's why its called involuntarily celibate, so nice try.
[–]LillthOfBabylon1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The closest comparison to your race thing is Virgins being black men and incels being the black criminals.
No one hates virgins. We hate incels. And everyone’s born a virgin, so the comparison fits.
[–]Davidfosford1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
you hate men that are too ugly to get sex? again you're missing the point if you hate incels because you think they are all hateful murderous people then you're generalising them to justify your hate on them. Just like racists.
incel just means a guy who is too ugly to get laid even if he wanted to. You are born an involuntary celibate, which is just an ugly undesirable virgin
[–]LillthOfBabylon1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
you hate men that are too ugly to get sex?
That's not why people hate incels, so stop being dishonest about it.
If you hate incels because you think they are all hateful murderous people
I'd say most are. That's why their subreddit got banned.
incel just means a guy who is too ugly to get laid
Most incels aren't ugly, they're just assholes. Everytime I've seen an incel, he was an average looking asshole who demanded women have sex with him.
[–]Wrasserman148 points149 points150 points 3 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
You should learn to be more inclusive and never body shame or slut shame women. Also if you disagree with me on any issue you're a short incel neckbeard loser with a small dick.
[–]FoggyDanto61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
I was analysing this thing of 'slut shaming' and I realized as long as women will want to marry rich men and of course bring nothing or little to the table... the only thing men will look at is their morals
In other words if women revert to defaults 'a man has to provide' then it also makes men to revert back to default 'women gotta have good morals and a lower number of patners'
The loser in that game of course is the men as their metric is clearly visible while for women it's just words
[–]R3adyS3tGo9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
With the current situation of moral relativity, no one's really gonna accept a man's own moral standard. The whole of PPD could be considered a discussion on relationship ethics. The old arguments have already been used to dissmiss any real moral backbone in favor of the feminist individualism.
[–]KobaLeaderofRedArmyBPD Pill40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Also, holy fuck
It's insane that just...not being a piece of shit is too much for a guy to ask for?
[–]excess_inquisitivity24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
ikr??
Looking at a potential partner's MORALS of all things. Who do men think they are, requesting honesty and decency from a partner?
[–]dirty_hooker3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I’d rather a woman be honest about her past than lie about it to appear more innocent. They still teaching you boys that embracing sexuality is inherently wrong? I’ll give you some advice; by the time you turn 30 you won’t give a fuck so long as she’s healthy. Realistically, you’ll jump at the opportunity to be slutty when presented with the opportunity to do so and then perjure yourself against the same metric to claim a higher moral ground that does not actually exist. Is it just sexual inexperience? Are y’all afraid that she’ll never be satisfied if she’s had bigger and better than you can offer? Check it, I’m currently hooking up with a very inexperienced young lady and while I’m having fun opening up her libidinous world it’s actually pretty tame having to be so gentle and patient. Upside: I guess is that I’m nearly guaranteed to be the best she’s ever had. Flip side: I’m taking the time to learn her body with her so she she won’t settle for some guy that gives her a dozen rough pumps and then crowns himself best in the land. “MORALS” lol. Fuck off with that insecure, hypocritical, and juvenile shit.
[–]PMMeYourBootyPics1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If "embracing sexuality" means telling every guy you mean when you're drunk to fuck you, then no it's not inherently wrong but I don't like that.
Here's the way I see it: if a woman came up to me and said that I would be disgusted. Same with if she did some nasty freaky shit during our first time, if she wanted to have a three-way with my dad or best friend, if she wanted to have sex with a little boy; I would probably turn the other way and never talk to her again. All of these things are offensive or not in line with my tastes.
Therefore, why would I DATE or even MARRY the qualities in a woman that would turn me off from even fucking as a one night stand??? It's just very hard to judge correctly, however, since it's her words against your skills of deduction. it has nothing to do with objectively "good morals" and everything to do with "aligns with my personality, kinks, and worldviews" which most women THINK they know how to do with men. You see, little girls start trying to make boys happy when they turn about 13 or 14. They hear from these boys that sex will make them happy and make them stay with them forever. Obviously this isn't true, but it takes most girls a few years at least to figure out that the way to man's heart isn't through his dick. It's through figuring out what he likes and wants from life and becoming it. This is the danger to me. How do I know that this girl didn't suck and fuck everyone in town while having dozens of abortions and ripping lines of cocaine and percocet?? I don't really. Therefore I will only ever cuff a woman I've known for at least 5 years, 10 is better still. But you really need to follow a person's life and keep up with what they've been doing for a long time before y9u get any good idea of how they are
[–]dirty_hooker2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What’s it like living in mommy’s basement? Have you ever traveled outside of your home town?
FWIW it’s not her responsibility to become what you want from the world unless you’re after a Stepford Wife. Relationships are two people accepting and working to make a union despite faults. You’re not so glorious that everyone should conform to you, bud.
[–]Jaktenba1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah because only people who live at home are good, everyone else is bad, which makes your terrible actions just par for the course, rather than anything special.
I have my own mortgage and basically run a halfway house, I agree more with the other guy than you.
[–]dirty_hooker0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You run a halfway house and see people in terms of good and bad? Kind of dehumanizing isn’t it?
I was loling at needing to know someone for a decade before considering any form of relationship with them. You don’t get to know folks for a decade unless you’ve never stepped foot beyond a sub 50,000 population town. Dude I was responding to is so full of mostly irrational fears that I can’t imagine him leaving arm’s reach of his mother’s skirt. Grow up and meet people. Accept them for who they are. Find the good in folks you don’t normally identify with.
[–]PMMeYourBootyPics0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Live with my girlfriend of 3 years and I plan to propose soon but thanks for assuming that I live in my mom's basement because I have a higher standard of woman. She's everything a man could want and we would do anything for eachother. No one has any more or less power it's equal give and take to support eachother and fill in weak spots... As it should be :)
[–]Fappington221 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s routine at this point that caring more about a woman’s past than your own mental health leads to a twisted and unhealthly view of reality.
The “way you see it” isn’t routed in reality and based off of shit that’s not even probable.
Lay-off the porn
[–]Kittenvault-2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Obviously men are getting something out of the relationship (ie. sex) or they wouldn’t be choosing the most attractive partner.
Why are men allowed to want attractive girls, but women aren’t allowed to want a partner who can provide?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Women are ALLOWED, theyc an do whatever they want.
However whilst a woman will object to being liked only for her looks, a man will object for only being wanted for his wallet.
What your complaining about isn't about being allowed vs not allowed. Its just that people are not all happily jumping on board with your desires. Well guess what, thats life.
If you want a provider, cool. But men are not going to happily jump into line and become one just becaus eyou want one.
Same with men wanting women who are sexual and show affection, just because men want this, dosn't mean women are going to jump into line and do it, Men have to work at becoming a man that women want. Likewise, if there is nothing about you that makes men want to provide, well either become that woman or go the incel route and whine like a little bitch about how unfair it all is. The ball is in your court.
[–]Kittenvault2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i agree with everything you said
[–]SlashCo8031 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Disagree with a woman / popular feminist viewpoint? "gUeSs i FoUnD tHe InCeL LOLOLOL" (+237 upvotes)
That shit is so tiresome.
Be an incel, be called an incel, bitch about being called an incel.
Tha shitbja so tiresome
[–]Jummmmmm1234 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck me, then
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
You should learn to be more inclusive and never body shame or slut shame women.
If women don't want to be slut shamed they should just suck more dick out of sympathy. If good men got sex instead of gang leaders the world would be a peaceful place.
[–]Assassins-BleedBlacked is the best porn2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good men do get sex.
Low value red pilled losers aren’t good men
[–]CopperstonerA "Chad" for Incels, a "Beta" for Red Pillers-4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Why won’t you become a gang leader then?
You want sex and as I heard it pays good money to be a gang leader. So what’s stopping you?
[–]diladusta14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Morals
[+]CopperstonerA "Chad" for Incels, a "Beta" for Red Pillers-8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Which morals? You obviously don’t have a problem with thinking that all or the vast majority of women are worthless sluts... Or ignoring that good men are also getting laid on the regular...
So you might transform this deep resentment maybe in something useful for you.
[–]diladusta15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude you are putting words in my mouth. Never said women are worthless. I have no resentment.
[–]PMMeYourBootyPics5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're projecting hard here bro. He literally just said that if beta bux Billy was getting more tang than El Chapo we might actually have a better world. This says nothing about women except that they like bad boys and Chad's (which is true).
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Unlike chad, I actually value the state of society. I like to see people flourish and live good lives, not have to pay protection money to gangs lead by chad , where women live in fucking harems under chad's reign.
If society is run by chad gangs we would have a system based off whos the strongest chad, rather than democracy .
[–]CopperstonerA "Chad" for Incels, a "Beta" for Red Pillers-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I thought “chad” was only about looks and not about “profession”? 🤓
I also don’t share your analysis... Human are generally doing the thing with the highest return. So if enough “chad gangs” emerge you can rest assured that the government will either destroy or use them as asset in no time. Based on the value they have to those in charge.
PS: What about becoming a policeman? If you can stand your ground against “chad” and his gang you have to be one as well, right? After all it somehow is not about looks anymore. 💁♂️
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Chad is about looks and attention grabbing behaviors. A 6'5", huge jawline monk in a monastery is not a chad. Chad needs to have aggressive, vile, evil behaviors to enchant women and make their pussies flow.
Human are generally doing the thing with the highest return. So if enough “chad gangs” emerge you can rest assured that the government will either destroy or use them as asset in no time. Based on the value they have to those in charge.
It doesn't work like that. The women who become addicted to chad's cock will seek to vote for policies that benefit chad gangs and criminal groups.
It's already happening by the way. Look at the "abolish the police" and "defund the police" movements. Weakening or getting rid of police is the first step toward a society of gang harems. This goes along with the idea that the justice system is inherently wrong or bad and oppresses black people. And you know who has the big cock, so it only takes a simple mind to put together whats happening here.
What about becoming a policeman? If you can stand your ground against “chad” and his gang you have to be one as well, right?
I would but the law ultimately is not effective enough of a tool to make change any more. It's very clear the press and the liberal left hate police. I would be fired and potentially criminally charged for enforcing the law on chad whos shoplifting this ps5 while his women are putting on sexy g-strings for him in his ghetto flat.
[–]merlinscalculator1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Today I learnt that the Black Lives Matter movement is because women want to protect those big black Tyrone dicks.
God I love PPD.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh definitely. It's immensely common among younger folks and college aged women too. It's given rise to movements that want to defund the police and even close down prisons https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/state-advocacy-update-from-defund-the-police-to-defund-prisons/ There's no logical reason to abolish prisons or police unless you really support people breaking the law or want to help criminals.
Also Kim Kardashian's whole thing trying to get that guy off death row for burning two people alive. It's very clear what the motive is there. A woman is making excuse for a chad "not knowing" there's two people in the trunk. Such bs...
It's just a sign of the decline where America is headed.
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[–]8017354 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*Soycystety
[–]Bekiala24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Man we need to go back to the days when being a virgin was honored and got you the high status job of seeking the holy grail.
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[–]Bekiala6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but traveling around the holy land on an un-likely quest sounds more adventurous!
[–]Assassins-BleedBlacked is the best porn7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it is like that.
For the guys maybe... Even Pastor's daughters love dick
[–]sigma19325 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And then you're tasked with giving that naughty, naughty Zoot a good spanking... and then, all the other sisters of castle Anthrax must also be given good spankings!
[–]Bekiala0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't sound very chivalrous to me. Who is Zoot?
[–]Nitrous_PandaPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too perilous
[–]jakethegreatwhiteRed Pill Man20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How about "sex is nice when we get it"
[–]ChibsFilipTelfordd0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a lot more reasonable. Get off this sub reasonable person
[–]FoggyDanto8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But unless you're a strict Christian and guranteed of getting a fellow virgin woman being a virgin man in the current modern world is the biggest fraud you can subject yourself to.
Women when choosing a marriage patner place strong emphasis on a man who can provide, got a stable income and really don't get much bothered by his sexual history.
But as a man whether you like it or not, or whatever people tell you, it will always hurt you especially knowing your future wife is not going to be a virgin.
It's like in the current modern liberal world there's an unwritten rule: you should be dating someone in your early twenties and by the time you get married you have a couple of sexual history and experience under your belt
[–]Convenient_Beaver2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't think western men are particularly hurt by a woman having boyfriends before him.
Still, the basic biological goal for men in marriage is the same as it's been since the stone age, have 20 children. Now, people don't actually have 20 children anymore but men are still going to chose young with no children or sexual history. Fortunately for women, the solution to this is easy, lie. Too bad only men lie in relationships, right?
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It’s stupid doublethink in society. Most people care about getting laid or dating, and for the most part the ones who act like they don’t just think they don’t because they always get them and think they always will.
People are judged for their level of desire for sex (which is reasonable when it’s gross and unhealthy) in proportion to their ability to get it. Wanting sex is not shameful when you’re considered worthy of it, but it’s shameful when you’re not. Lots of promiscuous people have more sex drive than incels, but they’re not shamed since they actually succeed at getting what they want.
[–]LeJacquelopeMale thirst is as much our enemy as female hypergamy7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to post that on my Tumblr but I need to rig up a counter one first: "Fucking feminists won't fuck me on the first date" // "No hymen, no diamond!"
[–]James-Bancroft9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
society doesn’t necessarily say, or seem to say, that “virgins are losers” per se... it is just that the constant bombardment of the senses with reminders of, or references to, sex and romance, constantly reminds those who are virgins of their (until then), the seeming inability of others to have romantic and/or sexual feelings regarding them—which is not a pleasant feeling.
[–]diladusta25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Lol i guess you have been living under a rock. Virgin men are absolutely seen as losers. It is worse the older you get. Unless you life in a very religious community.
[–]James-Bancroft5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
no one I know has ever called me a loser (or anything similar) for it, so I don’t know what you’re on about
[–]diladusta9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
I guess you life in a low testorone environment. It's not only what they say. A woman with sexual history is going to think something is wrong with you. A man is going to think you are challenged in some way. They wont say it outright but it happens.
[–]James-Bancroft1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
well even if that’s true... what’s the point of bringing it up? we cannot control other people
[–]diladusta7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Virgin shaming is real and nobody cares it happens. While slut shaming is being looked down upon more everyday.
The point of bringing it up is to show the hypocrisy society has against men.
[–]James-Bancroft0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
yes but my point is... no one’s mind will be changed by any of this... so it’s unproductive to even talk about it
[–]diladusta3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Lol. With the attitude you have it will never change a thing. If europe was populated with people as like minded as you we would still life in a feudal europe. If the people in the civil rights movement had the same attitude blacks would still be sitting in the back of a bus to this day. Every movement seems as a uphill battle dude. Just life your life in accordance to your values and stop giving a fuck about the rest.
[–]Mr-LBN0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The civil rights movement and integration was a total fraud for us, so what in the hell are you talking about? Both those movements have totally destroyed US Black Americans, and any form of integration throughout our history for thousands of years has destroyed us as a people. It was purposely propped up through the media and sambo sellout koons to economically destroy US and make it easier for this government to kill us.
[–]diladusta1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lol stop the romanticizing segregration. You are absolutely wrong. The overwhelming amount of black people were trapped in abject poverty. Locked out of every profession or industry where they could gain acces to significant income and wealth regardless of their level of education. Blacks were excluded from wall street and other centers of capital. Black entrepeneurs had zero legal protection or civil rights and no way of legally defending their wealth. Laws were set up so whites could take property money and land from black people. Things are unequal nowadays but black it people used to fet fucked anally in the past. There are no black people that lived through it and wanted to get back.
[–]James-Bancroft0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
1.) I understand what you’re trying to do... even if those are some clichéd examples, but at the same time... complaining on the internet about it isn’t the way to go about it. I might suggest instead, spreading the view that it’s irrelevant (rather than talking about “virgin shaming” itself), or for example,—if a woman in say a dating sub is wondering if “he’s [insert 20+ number here] and still a virgin, is that a red flag?”... what people like you ought to do is say something along the lines of “it really isn’t”... WITHOUT going on a tangent about “virgin shaming” or some sociological analysis.
2.) Another thing you might want to aim for (although I confess I know not how this could be done), would be a decrease in feel-good romantic messaging in the culture, so that it becomes less of a focus for people, and the view that someone has to have it otherwise there’s something wrong with him, can die.
[–]diladusta1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am not expecting myself to change much. I am just speaking my mind on some hipocrisy in the world. If i manage to convince a couple people i already would think i am succesful. I am not going to make it my lives purpose to change "virgin shaming" though. Not even a virgin myself.
I don't know man. Even if love dies out in films and media people would still know couples that are heavily in love and be envious. I don't think we should limit artistic freedom as well because that would probably be the only way to limit it.
[–]allweknowisD0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These people don’t actually want to change anything. They just wanna bitch on the internet about women
[–]Assassins-BleedBlacked is the best porn0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who the fuck would even know if you’re a virgin or not? Do you wear a sign on your head or a virginity rocks t shirt every time you go outside?
[–]diladusta2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How do people even know women are sluts? Do they wear slut bracelets?
Different ways, but primarily, guys they've slept with tell other guys, they tell people themselves, and word gets around if the community is small enough.
In the case of a virgin, no one knows unless you tell people and no one cares. Conversations where men and women try to trigger anonymous folks with words like virgin and incel happen more on the internet than in real life.
People aren't as obsessed with sex as this place is.
[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJI'm just here for the spicy bantz1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It is worse the older you get. Unless you life in a very religious community.
People marry early in those, the Christian ones at least so the talk just moves to whether so-and-so's gay or whether he's not into women, etc. Same shit as high school
[–]LeJacquelopeMale thirst is as much our enemy as female hypergamy2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
HOME RUN
[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can smash both buttons.
[–]cuntscab694 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Only men are virgin losers, if you’re a woman you’re pure.
[–]thesnakybard-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends on what she looks like but for the most part, I’ll agree.
[–]PickleLineSimp for Low N-Count women3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Someone make one for slut shaming vs virgin shaming too
[–]FranticTypingNo Pill8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not spicy enough.
A: Sex isn't a big deal.
B: Children can't have sex.
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No it's those goddam aliens!
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I don't know man I don't know anything about it
[–]upalse0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't the old testament say that the Sky Jew In Chief created all of universe and humanity? This is why you can blame the Jews for everything - good and bad.
[–]John_OakmanKant pilled-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No contradictions at all, as what does it say of those who cannot even achieve something that's not a big deal despite all their efforts?
[–]diladusta6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just as much as it says about someone not being able to finish highschool. You can call them a retard but it is really hurtful.
Can't you see? Slutshaming is hurtful to women hence bad.
Virgin shaming is hurtful to men hence bad.
[–]Reed_49832 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Most people who call male virgins losers are men.
[–]Spigot_AT46 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I don't think I have ever seen even one. I've seen plenty of women who do it tho, namely on tiktok, twitter and reddit.
[–]Reed_4983-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
On what subreddit did you see women derogatively call men virgins? I argue it's not a mainstream thing for women to do that, while it's more commong for men to police and judge each other by their sexual success. I once saw statistics about the subreddit r/justneckbeardthings (which is pretty much a neckbeard/incel shaming subreddit) and most users were active in male-dominated subreddits. It even makes sense from an evopsych perspective to put down other males that could compete with you in the sexual marketplace.
[–]thesnakybard7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
They don’t call them that word, specifically. But women absolutely do for the most part look at male virgins as a plague past a certain age. I’d guess that age is 20 if you’ve gone to college. The divide begins for the most part to become clearer between those that have achieved having sex and those that haven’t in terms of attitudes, personalities, and whatnot. It’s almost as if they can smell it on you as if a dog feels your fear as he inches closer.
I had a friend tell me, he didn’t start to really just have women flocking to him after he’d been with this one pretty ass girl, which made other women want to “understand the hype” — what was so good about him that she would date him. Problem is, that’s the hardest part to achieve. What most women won’t admit is that, they want you to have all the qualities that a man that gets a reasonable amount of ass has, they just want you to turn it down for them. Most date for others, not themselves. And, most are uninteresting in building a man, which isn’t wrong but is their prerogative.
[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well, my original claim was that most people who verbally call virgins losers are men. Men are generally the aggressive gender whole women's disdain tends to be of the passive aggressive kind.
[–]thesnakybard2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Doesn’t really matter that the man’s disdain is more aggressive. The disdain man feels from woman is felt more because that’s the sex that isn’t sexing him.
[–]Reed_49830 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not being sexed by women is more distressing and hurtful than being outcasted or bullied by other men? You got any sources bro? Also most virgins eventually do have sex.
[–]thesnakybard1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro, do you think involuntarily celibate men care more about bullied by the women they want intimacy with or the men they aren’t sexually attracted to at all?
[–]Reed_4983-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, it's possible. We're talking about a wide range of men here. Perhaps an 18 year old virgin cares more about being accepted by peers than getting laid (at least most of the time, he might feel lonely at a Friday night but feel fine after jacking off). A lot of men aren't these sex crazed maniacs PPD thinks they are (I've written a longer comment on this before) and low libido men exist. There's also a difference in the moral status of these actions I think. Actively shaming/attacking people for their lack of experience is bad, not wanting to sleep with someone because they lack experience is...I don't know, questionable? But certainly not reprehensible.
[–]PickleLineSimp for Low N-Count women0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those men are also victims who are unknowingly pushing toxic femininity
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It's not a contradiction.
"Sex isn't a big deal" is meant to be sex positive. Which means having sex.
Virginity in it's essence lacks sex positivity.
[–]SkepticDrinker0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its so hard for men to get laid if they don't have their own place
[–]DeadMansBoots-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex isn't a big deal if you aren't a virgin.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How old are the guys posting these memes?
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
Shaming virgins is a modern thing,which developed as a response to slut-shaming.
[–]diladusta4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Doesn't make it anymore acceptable.
[–]CissyXS1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did I say it's acceptable?
[–]Davidfosford4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
men have always been judged on their sexual performance, everything is a feedback loop
The narrative is that men are predators and women are prey. So failure for a man is never catching the prey, while failure for a woman is constantly being caught.
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Back in old times no one cared about men's performance. As I said, it's a modern thing.
[–]Davidfosford1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
in history majority of men didn't reproduce, the subconscious pressure to preform and succeed sexually has always been there, its in bedded into our genes and society
again everything is a feedback loop
[–]CissyXS1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Subconscious pressure isn't the same as being pressured by society. As long as you (man or woman) were useful to society, no one cared about your sexual life. Up until sexual revolution you were more likely to be judged for having sexual life rather than the lack of. Celibacy was concidered a pious thing.
[–]Davidfosford1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
what do you think creates society, society is the way it is because of the Subconscious
Plenty of men were "useful" but still didn't reproduce, because mens value was always judged on their ability to pass on their genes, women have always judged men on this, its not a modern thing
how does oppressing men by shaming them on their inability to get sex help your situation in anyway?
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link
Culture and society morals are made by environment. That's why in areas with scarce resources there more likely to be a matriarchy and polyandry despite humans being naturally patriarchical.
Plenty of men were "useful" but still didn't reproduce
Were those men scorned by society for that? Is that why we remember and praise Newton and Tesla and not some John who got his wife Emma pregnant in poor medieval village? Give me at least one example when men in history were shamed for being virgins.
It doesn't and I didn't say it. You just have bad reading comprehension. What I noted is the reason the word 'virgin' is used as an insult. Men shamed women for ages for even having sexual desire, let alone having sexul life. Time passed, sexual revolution happened, but the shaming stuck around. So women came up with something equally deminishing. Since men claim a slutty man is a premium quality guy, because getting laid is hard for men, then obviously calling a man a slut ain't gonna affect him. Women use the word 'virgin' as an insult only in post-sexual revolution countries, because they know that's the word that will hurt men. Because it's men who base a person's value on his sexual life.
[–]Davidfosford-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
no societies weren't matriarchal when they are scarce that is beyond false.
No, our nature and nurture shapes our environment. Its not just the environment. Our subconscious fears and desires shapes our societies.
Men didn't reproduce if they were considered incels throughout history, its been a long-standing issue that men fight against, you were never praised for being a male virgin, you cant create male nature in 50 years. its part of who we are at this point.
The narrative is that men are predators and women are prey. So failure for a man is never catching the prey this has always been there, while failure for a woman is being constantly caught.
you can't make up a narrative just because it justifies your world view, you are clearly uneducated about human history if you think men were only just shamed/punished for being incels.
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
They are up to this day. Okay, maybe we should call them non-patriarchical or matrilineal, because it's phisically impossible for a woman to force a man into submission. Nevertheless, the point stands: polyandry existed and exists. And the poorer class is always more matriarchal than the upper class, because the power imbalance is dictated by economic contribution to family income.
No, our nature and nurture shapes our environment.
I had no idea human nature could shape Earth's environment. Let me introduce you to the world of behavioral science, that explores that partical subject .
you were never praised for being a male virgin,
You were, hecause religion. Men weren't shamed for virginity. Most mammals live by the principle of female irreplaceability, which is why sperm was cheap back then as it's remains cheap right now. The society doesn't need every man to reproduce and that's whymales do not have inborn value, - you had tp prove your worth to your tribe. That's like a basic principle of human behaviour in evolutionary psychology. It's what lies beneath TRP saying 'only women are loved unconditionally'. What society actually needs is to make every man to contribute to society. What men uctually were shed for is cowardice, because unlike his sperm, man's ability to protect his community was important.
So failure for a man is never catching the prey this has always been there, while failure for a woman is being constantly caught.
No. A failure for man is not being able to contribute to his community. No one cares about you ability to sire a child, any other man can replace you in it. And a woman's failre was being infertile.
you can't make up a narrative just because it justifies your world view, you are clearly uneducated about human history
I like how this sums up your entire comment lol
[–]Davidfosford-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
"poorer class is always more matriarchal than the upper class", show me source, you cant just make up shit
who tf was talking about Earth's environment, i was talking about society
women were praised for being virgins, men were never praised, most men didn't reproduce, so it was inherently shameful to be a virgin. Look at any ape tribe, the silver back proudly reproduced with every female while the beta male chimps were ostracised and beaten.
"you had to prove your worth to your tribe", exactly, thats why it was shameful to be a virign, cowardice was associated with the inability to reproduce.
read the book sperm wars, its very enlightening
we are put on this earth to reproduce that's it, that's the main goal, everything we do leads to that, even contributing to his community, the reason we care to do that is so we can reproduce.
you were nearly there.
[–]upalse0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think it's more about the associated costs rising significantly, largely due to emancipation of women. However the effect was present in history as well. While not being a virgin was trivial to a point nobody cared, there still was being unmarried that carried lower status in men.
Being unmarried/no LTR is fairer IMO, because it encompasses both slut and virgin shaming into neat single gender-equal package. How insufferable/crazy/ugly/slutty woman has to be for her to not keep a single man? How lazy and porn sick an incel has to be to not just hang out with some desperate fatty?
[–]CissyXS1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Being unmarried carried lower, way lower, status for women as well. What's your point? It had nothing to do with ability to have sex and family, it's because unmarried people became a burden to society with time. It was a not so uncommon scenario in USSR: man lives a bachelor's life, despite ot being extremely easy to get married, and then in old age he imposes on his nephews and their children, who had to take care of him till the end of his life. See why unmarried men and women were pressured to get married?
[–]upalse0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
It's because unmarried people became a burden to society with time.
There's definitely factor of that too - especially when it comes to parents pressuring their children, but I'm of the opinion that global societal pressures develop only for "in your face stuff", ie there's strong short term occam bias, rather than some complex planning for retirement in abstract sense that parents do.
People in general hate low class because they steal shit, not because their nephews have to care for em. This in turn creates incentives to bring in various stereotype signifiers to identify low class that serve as a proxy for that - bachelor, skin color etc.
As for why the stereotype was stronger for women - it's the same as today. It's exceedingly trivial for woman to find suitor, ergo, there must be something seriously wrong with a spinster per common sense. Men get a little bit of affirmative action in this judgement because they have inherent difficulty associated.
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
But why does she have to? Maybe she doesn't want a family. Maybe they just don't like men or don't like to live with men. Maybe they never found someone to love. Back in the days spinsters and bchelors were a burden for society but nowdays we have a government to take cre of them, so why do you need to find a reason to shame woman for singlehood? It is a shaming, because the only reason you could for a woman to remain single is that there's something is wrong with her. Yet you don't like the idea of shaming aman for virginity, becuse by your logic there jas to be something wrong with him too if no woman ever gave him a chance.
[–]upalse0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
so why do you need to find a reason to shame woman for singlehood?
Or a man. There are no exceptions to normalcy bias. Because most everyone does, so it becomes a peer-pressure expectation. No different, from say, having a job or car. People will judge on that too the same way. If the normalcy standard is difficult one such as "successful career", they give some leeway, if it's a "trivial" one, it will be judged more harshly.
Don't seek rationality in empiricals of crowd psychology. We do know for a fact that herd behavior is like this - the jocks of normalcy will always bully the outlier nerds. While necessary for herd integrity, there's indeed tendency to erase individual will.
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Obviously people will find a way judgeeach other either way. And virgins and sluts should just grow up and not get offended by truth.
[–]upalse0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think the more interesting part is that women are more sensitive to peer-pressure shaming. Whether that's nature or nurture driven is unclear, but has some interesting consequences in deciding whose will be repressed more in the herd system and thus is more likely to submit to normalcy.
[–]CissyXS0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women need to be a part of a community to survive. It's what made women more social than men.
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