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| Title | Sean Connery, aka James Bond, swallowed TRP in 1965 |
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| Date | 14 September 2015 06:53 PM UTC (4 years ago) |
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The interview is something to watch. Deflects a lot of Barbra's attempts to put him in the spot and he handles it well.
Here is the link of the interview, start watching there, it's worth watching.
Fantastic interview, never saw the full thing.
Thanks for the link.
Check out 3:15 for Mr. Universe pre steroids.
You could pick that line of dudes out at almost any gym nowadays.
Yeah, it's pretty sad. I have the Encylopedia of Bodybuilding, and they all look like freaks, except for Arnold, who somehow pulls it off, but probably because I've seen all his movies, so it just seems normal. Everyone else looks like they're about to explode. As far as I'm concerned, Bruce Lee should be the model for developing the physique, not some roided out "body-builder." Bodybuilding with steroids is to men what implants and cosmetic surgery are to women.
What? How about frank Zane? Bob Paris? They're all aesthetic.
Bruce Lee probably took steroids too, they were legal back then
If he did, he probably took only a moderate dose to best achieve his goal of being a fighting machine. But I never read anything that indicated he did. When he made Enter the Dragon, he came down from his maximum weight, and weighted 128 pounds. His physique never appeared to be anything other than result of weight lifting, circuit training, and a diet optimized for his body. I read that he took a lot of supplements, but nothing about steroids.
His diet was pretty much pure cutting. He barely ate or drank. Just enough to maintain. It's believed that his lack of hydration led to his collapse a few weeks before his death.
Now that I have got all my newby gains (about a year back on the fitness tip) Its super tempting, but I don't think I am going to do it.
Its funny I used to be like, "shut up" when girls would complain about airbrushed models and plastic surgery etc. and unrealistic beauty standards. I would laugh when I heard about all the expensive/painful shit they did to try and look hotter.
Now I totally get it. I completely understand the feeling of being like, "fuck, no matter what I do I will never look like that person, unless..."
You gotta keep perspective though. Something like 90% of the population doesn't even lift. For all the other dudes in my shark tank its probably like 70% who don't even lift so unless they are severally genetically superior to me I am bigger than them.
That is a great point. No need to be the best. Just be above average. Of you lift, and make a lifestyle of it to the point where you don't consider lifting exercise but fun, and don't consider dieting diet but normal, healthy nutrition, eventually you will be in the top %20 lookswise. And that is speaking of the overall population, because if you live in a state such as Oklahoma, you'll be the guy all the chicks want. Move to Hollywood and your success will drop.
All valid points. IF isn't a diet for me anymore, its just how I eat. If I don't hit the gym, the next day I feel kind of gross. Its sort of like how you feel the day after a late night Taco Bell gwatting.
And of course when it comes to the SMP its all about the other sharks in the tank. Its entirely possible to be top 10% somewhere then relocate and find yourself middling at best or vice versa. Thats why its always important to actively and accurately identify and size up your competition.
This only shows that you are blue pill about what steroids actually do. You can take all the steroids you want, they ain't gonna do shit unless you train and eat right. The misconceptions about steroids in this forum are fucking mindboggling.
I'm aware that it is possible to supplement with steroids safely and achieve good results. However, it depends on what you define as "good results." I don't want to look like the dudes in Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. It's their job to look that way. They train relentlessly so they can compete, win money, and get gigs related to looking like He-man. It's not sustainable for most people. There is simply no reward in trying to look like that. If someone wants to make that their lifestyle, fine. As for supplementing with steroids to get better results, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. It's just one more thing to think about and wonder about, and I don't need it, so why bother.
what he's getting at is their purpose.
all steroids really do is make your body repair fucking fast. I've had co workers take a cycle, think it was a growth hormone, didn't do anything.
you have to be on a 2x day workout schedule, and on the ball with diet and intensity to take advantage of them, otherwise you'll just get bald, acne and scars
That is not true either, its about dosage and what steroids you take.
Google Steroids vs natural study and you will find an article about it.
Your analogy is dead wrong. It is more akin to a hot girl using make up.
You don't just take steroids and magically look different.
You can be on steroids and not look like you are going to "explode". Physique competitors are on steroids just like Bodybuilders.
This guy uses steroids and is only 164 lbs.
164 lbs
I prefer girls who look good without make-up. I don't factor make-up into the looks equation. Steroids alter your biochemistry to allow you to change your body shape to what it might ordinarily to be able to achieve on its own. Cosmetic augmentations do the same thing, but without altering the biochemistry. The guy on 'roids doesn't look like the worst excesses I mentioned from Encylopedia of Bodybuilding, but I can still tell he uses. By contrast, my cousin who wrestled at the collegiate level, and was a religious boy scout who never used roids, was strong as an ox, ripped, and did it all through hard work and proper diet. Your body can also be a representation of your character. A man who cheats to get there will never be considered the equal, nor be the equal of a man who got to the same place without cheating.
So steroids are different from cosmetic augmentations. So again your analogy isn't right. You analogy would be perfect if we were talking about synthol.
It is funny to me to hear you say this coming from someone who follows TRP. That kind of thinking is very similar to BP thinking.....
Who gives a fuck what other people consider or think? There is no such thing as equal. This is la la land level nonsense.
You're never going to make a perfect analogy between the two, since there are significant differences between them. It's one thing if you are scientifically and judiciously using steroids to accomplish some practical goal, like for instance, if you're a police officer who has to potentially beat the shit out of people for a living. It's another thing if you're taking steroids just to live up to aesthetic created by men who take steroids to sell you that aesthetic. For them, they are taking steroids to sell a body image the requires steroids to exist. For the guy that is taking roids to look like them, he's the same as the girl who buys silicone tits to look like the celebrity that got the tits to market them. For every person that makes a rational decision to do these things, you have 10 more that are doing it but getting no practical benefit. The girl who buys the fake tits turns off a lot of guys who like fake tits, and by not working on the real problem: her lack of personality and ability that led to low self-esteem, she never attracts quality men.
Your last argument is valid. Nobody's opinion should matter. I phrased my argument poorly. All things being equal, I guy on roids should outperform I guy who didn't roids. You see this in the professional sports arena, where most or all guys are working their asses off AND taking performance enhancing drugs. But we're talking about the top 1% here, and they have the best doctors and drugs money can buy. The average joe is probably better off not messing with those things. I'd rather work a bit harder, not make as many gainz, but never have to make the Faustian bargain with modern science. My goal is to stay in shape, avoid injury, keep from degenerating, and stay healthy, not try to reach the limits of my genetic potential or die trying; I'll leave that to other people.
-40% isn't that the new rule?
steroids, eh. Quite a thing.
I know right? I am tempted to run just one cycle to see how it goes but I already know them gainz would be too hard to resist and I would be a gear head for life after that.
Maybe I should get my T down super low and go to the doctor complaining about not getting boners, going bald, and being a whiny beta and get that TRT on my insurance. Juice from the pharmacy.
I think going bald is caused by too much T isn't it?
"I need a prescription for Derbi50, he's being a total bitch whining at me" lol, beta prescriptions should totally be a thing.
DHT, which is a byproduct of Testosterone.
So much is genetics though some dudes will go bald at 30 with average T levels others can roid it up massively, knock back pills of Proviron (which is like pure DHT) and never shed a hair. It's what makes predicting the effects of these drugs so hard. Everyone has different side affects.
yeah, the endocrine system is incredibly complicated too and has different effects depending on your developmental age and natural hormone balance afaik.
I'm not a 100% sure but I think male pattern baldness is caused by DHT, which is like a shweg ass testosterone.
No doctor over here, but I think after T is done being awesome it can aromatise (transform) into various undesirable hormones like DHT (hair loss hormone) and estrogen (the gynocamastia hormone).
Aromatization is why after someone runs a cycle of testosterone they have to take PCT (post cycle treatment) drugs which stop the testosterone from transforming into broke ass backwash hormones that steal your gainz, make you bald, and give you man boobs.
It can't be that simple. There are plenty of squeaky-voiced, effeminate men who are balding in their early 20s.
too much T as opposed to too little as Derbi50 implied. Of course there are other reasons you could be balding.
Maybe. I mean I look similar to that and a lot of my friends do as well and we don't use steroids. Just lots of milk and clean meat while lifting heavy several times week. Just takes hard work man.
Now a days it's like insane but I meant that picture shown
that's what I meant - using steroids, a gym casual can look better than the old-school Mr Universe guys.
What makes you think they weren't on steroids?
if they were, they were doing it wrong - look at those guys. They look like swimmers, not bodybuilders.
This moment is great too. So rational but would make headlines today.
This interview was made years after he first said that it was OK to slap a woman under certain conditions and he hadn't change his mind.
It's awesome. It means that either he has been shamed a lot but kept his frame/didn't change his mind or that he wasn't shamed but because he was attractive as fuck it didn't cause him any problem. Probable a mix of two. But that's the most impressive thing about this interview for me.
He's just totally unresponsive emotionally, which is totally dominant. "I don't care if you want the last word, have it" "I don't want to you to play golf with me and I won't invade your golf game" "I have an opinion and I won't apologize for it"
Wow that look on Walter's face was priceless. The look of a Hamster on Ludicrous Speed.
they don't cut back to Walters right away because she splooshed her panties and shorted out her mic.
I would say legally though if Sean Connery was giving this interview today he would probably have to clarify that because of gynolaws that while the woman deserves to be hit, and probably likes it, you shouldn't do it.
I would excuse myself from the room and have my lawyer send the the BDSM contract.
I was always amused by his emphasisng the 'if you've settled it, apologized, and she just won't let it go... sure'
And then they proceeds to not let it go
/u/Ckills, add this to your post
Thanks for the link. This is serious stuff!
I'm pretty certain that Connery is an actual red pill that grew a head, arms and legs.
Before TRP I remember seeing this same interview and being furious that he could be such an 'asshole'.
I read this now and I just want to shake the man's hand.
It is amazing how much your life views can do a 180 as your experience with the world grounds your expectations.
My math teacher, a man who I thought was cool and wanted to be like once said to me, "If a woman hits Me, I probably deserve it."
I couldn't understand how he could be so cool and be such a wimp. The dude is a mad genius. But I pity him.
Academics are often on the liberal side. The frankfurt school made sure of that.
I lean very left but I still dont abide by modern mysandry. Where the RP endorses men over women I part with it, but in a world that has become a mysacracy the person who really believes in real equality and dislikes the cage of the modern relationship becomes an extremist.
yeah, by left leaning I implicitly meant the modern "progressive" movement. I don't agree with communism, socialism etc but I agree they don't imply modern SJW beliefs.
Well Im no fan of communism, and I think a lot of socialism could be eliminated without suffering if taxes and income favored labor over investment. Basically what much of modern Anarcho-socialism describes. In no way do I think equivalence of outcomes should be the objective, only that actual hard work and invention/innovation be rewarded as opposed to a gambling/market monopoly/market distortion economy. Certainly investment would be needed, and in large scale to make a modern economy work. The way you arrange that is by making all loans and investment run by the government and popular collectivism through grants and business proposals that can be done jointly or individually based on past performance and a new kind of euntrepanuer scoring system. Socialize the risk and reward of investment, with pay based on role and outcomes. It gets a bit detailed but I thinknits doable.
Id also like to see reward for intellectual property being one based on use with no premium to the individuals and organizations making use of those inventions. Reward to the creator would come out of general tax funds and an estimate of use. That way no one has to choose what to experiment with or consume due to the sticker price.
This would allow someone like Musk to still have the impact of Musk in the modern economy with great reward for their talents.
Which basically means that you are.
But thats socialism too. "Favoring" anything over anything else by threat of state force, i.e. forcibly redistributing favors is what socialism is.
It is forced upon somebody. And if it forced upon somebody, people will resist, underperform and actively or passively sabotage it, which is why attempts at socialism regularly collapse, but as you demonstrate, socialist retards never learn. "This time it's different!" is their hamster. Where the fuck is a RP for commies?
hmm, I have similar beliefs but can't place my faith in the idea of a government being efficient enough to keep out of the way of entrepreneurs. I consider myself right-libertarian, and would downsize the current UK government probably by about half, optimising key non-enforcement functions through free market competition. I don't even care about the "high taxes" that right-libs always seem to moan about; my primary bugbear with socialist democracy is that big governments are just so damn inefficient and badly run. I've never seen a government department that ran efficiently and hired passionate/intelligent/innovative people.
[edit]: I thought there would've been more right-libs on TRP but it seems from the rate this is getting drive-by downvoted we have our fair share of lefties. Who'da thought?
So what if academia leans left? How does that have anything to do with what his math teacher said?
Nothing at all, where a person works and the people they interact with doesn't have anything to do with behavior.
those damn liberals are ruining everything!!!!!!
Truer words have never been spoken. It's the whole purpose of their worldview.
Funny that you should be saying it in jest.
Academics are often rich enough to not need to work with their hands. They have connections, a job in the government, a job where there's less competition, or something.
A 'common worker' dies or fails miserably, unless he learns RP-truths. Academics, and spoilt, rich kids, and gorgeously, hot girls; they do not need to learn the RP-truths, because they do not die without them. They go through life sort of okay without RP-truths. Until they decide to learn them. Or when they fail miserably, but it's too late to learn them.
Complete bullshit. The academic "industry" can be very cutthroat (esp as tenure positions are cut) and as far as working with hands (whatever that means in 2015) is no more different than any other office worker.
Weird...see, I read that from the perspective of a martial artist, at which point it makes total sense to me. As someone with better than average skills at defending oneself, a male martial artist would very likely think: "If a woman hits me, I probably deserve it."
I read the "me" in that statement as "me, personally". You maybe read it as "me, a man"? Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.
The fuck?
No they would not, that sort of mindset is the mindset of a defeatist and a weak minded person.
Women are led by emotion more often than not, and emotion blinds logic. They will strike a person much larger than them if they have even the slightest inkling that they may get away with it.
That's the thing. The guy is saying he is such a badass, there is no way he wouldn't dodge or block the woman's attack if she ever tried to attack him, and if he did manage to get hit, he would deserve it, because he didn't train hard enough.
Not in the "men deserve to get hit when a woman wills it" kind of way.
Because, for example, a guy will always know if a crazy girl he is dating comes behind him to slap in in the head instead of giving him a hug.
That makes sense. If she hits you know full well what your capable of, then you must have fucked up pretty bad.
Bullshit, women do not think about their actions.
Haven't you see times when women hit men because they assume their pussypass will get them out of it for free?
Fix the way you think buddy.
I didn't say she was right, just that I probably fucked up something pretty badly that it escalated to this. If things escalate in this manner, you fucked up at some point. It's like winning a fight at the bar...sure, you won, but you shouldn't have had to fight at all.
Again, you don't seem to understand just how unstable/crazy even the most normal looking girl could acctually be.
And no, you don't have to fuck up.
Lastly, what? Comparing some chick hitting you to a bar fight, that is pretty far off.
You are assuming that an angry woman is a logical being.
No, just that I failed to diffuse or remove myself from the situation before it got to that point. I never said the woman must be right.
I'm on your side here. There is no fucking way I am spending my time arguing with my woman, and getting us both pissed off and deeper in a hole.
I'm just like "later bitch, I'll be back when you calm the fuck down".
Few hours and a couple of ignored texts later, and it's like the problem never even existed in the first place.
A few years ago with other girls I would have tried to "talk it out", resulting in escalated bullshit arguments, yelling, and a night of irrational tears for her and sexless guilt for me.
A strange game, fighting with a woman. The only winning move is not to play.
It's different times now though. These days a man will get jailed for domestic abuse for less then an open-handed slap. The government serves as a legal backing for the feminine imperative
This is one of the reasons why raising a family is not a possibility for me anymore. You basically enter a relationship which is very, very difficul to leave with someone who can disrespect you, humiliate you, hurt you physically and psychologically on a daily basis without you being able to do anything. Your authority is taken away from you and given to the women. As it were decades ago, one is in charge of authority. However, men were good to their wife if they behaved right. Women nowadays, because of their crual nature and of their feminist conditioning which leads them to hate men and masculinity, will never be good to you, ever. Plus, if you try to "behave right", you will fall under the pathetic beta category and she will despise you. Really, every way you look at it, you can't be successful in having a loving relationship.
Your power as a man? None. Your happiness? None. All of that for what. Daughters who will treat you the same their mother do? Boys who you won't be able to raise in a healthy way? Teach them to be tough and everyone will consider you are a monster for not buying them what they want, for forcing them to take physical exercise, to get up early to make them disciplined men...And they will resent you themselves. Most of your ressources will be used for them while they will especially have a relationship with their mother while your relationship with her will fade away once she has the kids.
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the bigger issue than saving for another land rover is that it's impossible to effectively parent a child under marriage 2.0
any adult difficult decision you make, or boundary you set, will be sabotaged by the whim of the "most responsible teenager in the house"
Wife 2.0 is more interested in winning points from the other housewives in her view culture and being the childs' friend and playmate than parenting
Most modern women are dispositionally incapable of giving lessons, or leading a structured activity with a child
Soon daddy is gone, and the state is the new husband(an abusive one at that), with 8 year old kids sleeping in mommys bed and all the cognitive dissonance associated with that.
Like office space, they'll do one or two family related tasks a day under duress totaling 15 minutes of real work, then spend the next 2 weeks demanding special credit for it.
With most things related to women it's easier to do it yourself.
Exactly. All of this "equality" is actually making it unequal. What we had was equality.
no sex with the wife while there are kids are around, no relationship after ... great deal
I was about to write pretty much this exact same thing!
I've been red pill my whole life, I'm 48. It's good to see some converters.
I was an overweight white-knighting mangina when I was growing up. I don't want to know where I would be now without TRP.
At the pharmacy filling your insulin prescription ?
Provided that I hadn't hung myself already, probably.
Barbara trying so hard to tweak him, but he holds tight. Comes off much like his big-screen counterpart 007.
Mr Connery pulled her into his frame and didn't let her out for even a second. She was fighting it so hard to but she knew she was in the presence of a king
Great post.
To our younger readers: DO NOT TAKE THIS AS A REASON TO HIT WOMEN...DO NOT HIT WOMEN UNLESS THEY STRIKE FIRST. HITTING A WOMEN FOR THE FUCK OF IT IS A MAJOR LOSS OF FRAME.
Would caution against striking back, even in retaliation. Connery's assessment is spot on, but we don't live in his world anymore. Chick could be swinging at you with a knife, if you bruise her most courts will pin you as the aggressor, and the one spending time behind bars.
No bitch is worth jail time.
Your damned either way, she can and will hit herself to get you into trouble.
One way I need a lawyer, the other I need a doctor.
I'd rather have the lawyer, but chances are, I'd see it coming and fuck off before it got that far
Running away only wounds your pride. In this feminized society it's sadly the only real choice.
I've never found pride to be that helpful, it's gotten me into a lot more stupid situations than it's gotten me out of. Self respect and dignity tend to work much better IMHO
There is a method to hit someone without leaving bruises. A blow to the abdomen to start with. And if you are aiming for the head, put a water bottle in a sock and swing it. No bruises, guaranteed.
You could give somebody a jab or 2 to the kidneys, it's very painful but the skin is thicker there and doesn't bruise easily.
Too much and they'll piss blood.
Never do anything like this please.
I have to. Some of you lift, I fight. Liver shots fucking hurt too. I took two of them this year alone.
I would have to escalate it a bit and say don't even hit her if she hits you, women are easy as fuck to detain so just hold her down. You're going to be fighting an uphill battle if ever in court. Unless she has a weapon, then keep yourself safe by all means.
I do agree, the only time I would hit a woman is if she was going for more than a smack. Like she was literally trying to cause serious physical damage.
I still think you're better off fleeing unless she of course pulls out a gun
Or if you're lucky / provident /able to record everything.
This is advice for 99.9% of physical altercations.
Capability, and intent are the two factors inherent in violence. Range is the best way to remove capability, since you cannot control intent
Ha, be careful even in "detaining" her. Look up the law on domestic violence and you will see what your option is: Leaving. Lesson learned the hard way...
So holding the arms of a woman until she calms down and stops hitting you could still be considered domestic violence? Well damn, color me not surprised. Looks like leaving and never turning back it is.
it is going to get you jail time, that's how real it is, for some nations.
Even if she's doing this in your place in those bad nations like Murrica you're expected to abandon your own residence and leave her there to do anything she damn well pleases and have no recourse because you can't prove she took/broke something, that you didn't just do it yourself.
I shit you not. If she refuses to leave odds are in Murrica she now controls the place and you could be barred by law from returning.
This is a real thing that's actually happened.
Solution: leave America for good. For GOOD. And until then never let bitches near your home. Ever.
Have a motel, car or random place to fuck them.
Some women bruise easily, so I'd just leave and not touch her whatsoever.
Sod that.
And then get piled on and kicked in the head by 20 white knights who saw you holding her down.
You're going to fight it even if you DON'T hit her back.
Yes or push her hard as fuck and then walk away.
Absolutely. And you might be guilty of getting yourself in that situation with a crazy bitch.
Don't put your dick in crazy. If your bitch turns crazy, walk the fuck away at the first red flag.
most of them are crazy, though.
If you even leave a bruise, you're fucked. If she gets aggressive lock yourself in a bathroom or something until police arrive. And make sure to record everything that is happening in such a situation!
there is a member of the Canadian senate who did just this ... "No Dice"
common law partner decided one evening that she no longer approved of his political leanings and principles based on based on her campus leftist empowerment class and demanded he change himself and his entire life immediately
he instructed her to leave and retreated to an upstairs bathroom securing the door and refusing to leave the home he owned
after some time unsuccessfully trying to provoke him into a violent altercation to win a cash and prices lottery she called the police and informed them that she had been "sexually assaulted"
The Canadian version of the guardian national paper, a filthy publication called the (Red) Star, dutifully printed "Rapist" in large print as the headline page 1 the next morning.
Physical evidence is more consistent with him having bumped into her near the top of the stairs while trying to get away from the bi*h.
Yeah in some cases all you can do is get out of there and salvage the pieces. In this day and age a man's life can be ruined in an instant, and with no proof to boot.
he tried to keep the live in mattress from stealing his house and instead he's been in lockup/court for the last 2 years
Hope I never run into a crazy bitch like that. Thanks for the tip!
without the recording: doesn't work. Bitch can just bruise herself when you're not looking.
You learn to figure out which women will act out and cut them off immediately. I mean solid cut, not in your life ever again. Period.
Or live where there are no such cultures and laws.
Besides, you don't need to leave a bruise to make there be pain. The trick is the pain must be quick and sharp, not lasting, because it's shock value.
Like spanking a child, not having a bar fight.
If she picks up an object to use as a weapon all bets are off. Flat out: disarm her, ensure she knows she fucked up bad and make it clear if she tries to use a weapon again she'll dig her own grave and that's no joke.
THAT IS FAGGOT AS FUCK.
America can't be that bad, surely? My country (EUROPE) is bad but if a bitch is attacking me and there aren't people around to come to her aid, she's going down. just restrain her/pick her up/throw her on the ground. if she punches me, then she's getting at the very least a massive backhand back. I see no problem with this at all apart from potential legal ramifications.
Potential legal ramifications if where you get fucked. In the US many places have "primary aggressor" laws that state that if the police are called to a domestic disturbance they MUST take the man to jail for a night.
It's unfair, it sucks, but I'd rather be safe than smack her once and end up on the receiving end of the long dick of the law.
This is not what the laws state, but I agree it happens more often than not due to laziness/bias/CYA in law enforcement.
Yes, times are different now. The legal system is on the women's side.
What isn't as much discussed here is that there is a significant portion of the female population that is deeply Aroused by Violence, and even physical abuse.
The founder of the first women's shelter allegedly found that a good half of the (battered)occupants would systematically provoke violence, anger, abuse in their partners. In addition they would seek out men who had mental issues and coping problems to make it easier to get to this danger, excitement threshold.
Why would a woman taunt an high level alpha like Connery anyways ? ... because at least in part because she wants to be slapped around as she finds this exciting There are even women who can only come this way !
If it goes right, she gets her rocks off with a dangerous man. If it goes wrong your life is ruined. Women will advance systematic provocation (one of Pizzy's violence-addicted women would steal her partners ID he needed to keep his job) because the risk(real injury or you going to jail) reward always favors them(tingles/orgasm).
You don't owe any woman(especially a deranged one) an exciting danger thrill ride at the risk of your life and well being.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey
Her book created protests, bomb threats, defemation campaigns, and attacks by feminists. The bomb squad required that her mail be checked.
Pizzey demonstrated tha that women are in fact not womderful, they provoked violence with violen. People would not stand for such claims.
While studying paedophylia rates, she found that just as many women constituted this category as men. While this research was being conducted, someone shot her dog, and someone stole the other
She never wanted to be a feminist
This is gold information.
Unless you're already screwing, then make sure you hit the right spot.
Why would a guy hit a girl?
If you just say the right words and give her the feelbads, she will hit herself, and you can go on with your life. The life you have without her.
She can hit herself and then later claim you did...
I meant self-flagelation.
People eat unhealthy food, drink lots of alchohol, smoke cigarettes, never exercise enough, and lots of of other self-destructive habits. Instead of hitting her, praise something stupid of what she's doing.
Don't try it on your own, if you do not think that you're able, you lack the silver tongue, or you're not RP enough to do it. Don't do it, if you think it'll be traced back to you.
Who the fuck in their right would want to hit a woman?
Women are sweet (well, that's only the image they project but anyway) and nice most of the time. Concerning the one who are not? They are crazy most of the time, better go away to avoid problems. Don't waste your time with crazy girls and spend your time with the nice ones.
What is this mixed message?
Sean Connery is suggesting that you hit a woman not in self defense.
How is it a great post?
There is a difference of "hit" compared to what he described, which is the open palmed slap. That's not going to hurt anyone so I don't see why you can't do that. Even then women are getting off lightly, most dudes would have a real punch up if someone was aggravating them.
You feel a slight tingle on your face. 1/10 in a scale of unpleasantness. Someone you care about is now trying to hurt you. 4/10 in a scale of unpleasantness. Everyone feels like there's nothing wrong with it. 6/10 in a scale of unpleasantness.
Personally, every time I have been hit or abused, the mental part was far worse than the physical part.
But whatever, just don't hit people.
A woman is being a bitch, hysterical or bloody minded, 10/10 unpleasantness for everyone in the vicinity. I'm only advocating for lightly slapping women who have done something that warrants it.
I was kind of saving 10/10 for seeing your family violently murder and stuff like that, but sure. If a woman makes you feel so unpleasant, then you should just leave. That's not a person you want in your life.
Honestly this call is on you morally. If a women was literally trying to hurt me, not smacking me out of frustration, she might get a open hand slap
Sean Connery is such a badass. So proud he is from my city.
Believe me or don't I don't care but he used to work for the Co-operative chain of supermarkets as a milkman, my friend's grandfather used to work with him. Turns out he was hated by a lot of his co-workers for being "up his own arse" as my friend's grandfather put it. He also told us this was in part due to him being a real "lady's man" and people being scared he was going to steal their girlfriends.
I've seen him around my city once too with his wife. He is old as fuck now but just radiated this air of just not giving two flying fucks. He is a true boss.
I believe that. I heard an interesting story about how Sean Connery got the role. Actually how he got recruited for Bond was Albert Broccoli (the first producer of Bond) and Saltzman were not only impressed by his acting chops when he auditioned despite coming in unkempt and rather untidy, but also Albert Broccoli's wife had the hots for Connery in an almost AF/BB way. She was like this is the man you are looking for and instinctively picked up on his suave and charm. She said to Broccoli you can teach him how to be a gentleman through the film and he got the role based off that.
If possible, can you elaborate on how Connery was able to catch Broccoli's wife's eye? I'm curious as to what he did exactly that woo'd the ladies like like you and /u/Stiffmajj mentioned. Was he just being himself and not giving fuck while going to the audition? You said he was suave and charming, but according to Stiffmajj, he made him out to be arrogant by his coworkers.
it was on a documentary about Bond. According to the documentary, Broccoli's wife was watching some of the auditions. Immediately after Connery's audition, Broccoli's wife immediately told Albert Broccoli that Connery was the man he was looking for. She just couldn't stop going on and on about how Connery had that suave and charm despite looking so rough and unkempt. She said even though he came across bad and tough, she couldn't help but feel he had such high potential to be a true gentleman. He could be trained to be a gentleman, but that natural suave and charm other men would not match according to Broccoli's wife.
he must have slayed that Broccoli pussy pretty bad
I will say Scotland is a very parochial country. Have any higher interest than working, shagging or drinking and you will be considered a weirdo or "up yourself" or showing off by a lot of working class people. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been in the 40s and 50s. Body building and drama? I would have been abused into a million pieces, called a poofter and told I was "up my own arse."
the hazing builds character
It does indeed, Scotland has a culture of brutality and hardcore hazing. I have been living in a different country now for 2 years where a lot of that behaviour is deemed unacceptable, I am looking forward to returning in 2 weeks. I remember the first time I made a joke implying someone was a homosexual; the dude almost wanted to fight me right there and then.
He's an absolute legend. Here's a great story about him and Michael Caine in their broke-but-sexy days: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/158913/Michael-Caine-s-hooked-on-007
I love the fact that "getting into all that bodybuilding stuff" meant looking less defined than the average hardworking male gym-goer today.
And still made him Mr. Universe. How times change.
the way you look actually eating healthy, lifting right and not being loaded up on lab-produced hormones.
Sean Connery was one reason I doubted TRP - why go lift if there is living proof that a guy who can charm his way with the ladies without touching iron?
Until I found out he started his career with professional bodybuilding.
There is no way out man. We are bound to lift.
THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT!
Hitting girls is a terrible idea in this day and age. I am not going to debate the fairness/morality of the state of modern taboos, only state the facts.
If a girl hits you a dozen times and you hit her once, you will be the one who gets in trouble.
Even if its on tape a girl attacking you, you will still probably end up in court (lawyer fees, black mark on your name via the google, etc.) and may lose.
Even restraining a girl can leave her with bruises that she will point to as abuse.
There is almost no situation in which hitting a girl has a positive outcome for a dude. Unless its fucking Brienne of Tarth running up on you to do her duty, just extricate yourself from the situation.
END PSA.
Also keep in mind that Connery said that shit in the 60s, when slapping an out of control/hysterical person was seen along the same lines as pounding a choking man on the back.
There's a great scene in "Chinatown" where Jack Nicholson slaps Faye Dunaway repeatedly while she's transparently trickle-truthing a key plot detail.
Comes as quite a shock to modern Western eyes, but one should keep in mind that a lot of the rest of the world still views such things as quite ordinary, and even we ourselves in the West did as well, only recently having succumbed to hyperfeminized societal hysteria.
Yeah when you watch older movies/TV shows its fairly common for the AMOG to slap some beta and be like, "get ahold of yourself man!" without any insult taken or intended.
I was watching Mad Men the other day and there is a scene where a kid is running around playing and he spills the drink of an adult man who isn't his father. The guy hauls off and decks the kid pretty good as the offending childs father walks up.
The father is like, "whats going on here?" and as a modern viewer you assume the father is going to get pissed this guy hit his kid.
The hitter says something like, "just teaching your boy some manners."
Little boy says, "It was an accident!"
Father says, "You want some more (hitting)! Go get your mother and tell her to clean this up!"
Awesome.
The idea that hitting isn't OK is very new. When Adrienne Pederson got caught whooping his son he didn't try to lie or weasel out of it, he was just like, "yeah he needed a lesson so I got a switch and learned him one" not realizing society doesn't allow parents to discipline children anymore.
I spent some time in a Caribbean country. I was at a school and I heard this THWACK followed by screeches of pain. Principles still flog children down there who don't toe the line. Take a guess at how much disrespect "behavioral issues" they have in their schools. HINT: Its not much.
Hitting a kid just for spilling a drink? That's fucked up.
I think the point is the kid shouldn't be running around with a drink in the first place. You drink your drink and then you go play.
Kids don't have fully developed brains, they cant control their muscles or attention. I see it as despicable as hitting an elderly person because they lost control and dropped something.
My dad hit me a lot as "discipline", but it never taught me why I shouldn't be misbehaving, it was teaching me to avoid getting caught by my dad and carefully hide shit from him and tie up loose ends when lying to him. I could never reveal a problem I had, because I would then have two problems. This caused me to isolate from him very early, and I pretty much stopped talking to him at all by high school. I'm in my mid 20's now and our relationship is de-facto nonexistant, and I have absolutely no desire to reach out to him despite his multiple attempts.
Every time you hit your kid, you are missing an oportunity to actually teach them valuable negotiation skills, while at the same time distancing them from you. Negotiation ends when violence is involved.
Tl;DR:Don't hit your kids, it fucks them up.
I hear what you are saying and I have never hit a child and don't plan to hit mine. However there are a lot of people who were spanked who grew up to have normal relationships with their parents.
There seem to be few parents these days who can figure out how to take a middle ground on discipline, especially among lower class folks.
My mom spanked me and I have no anger about it. I have other reasons why I don't like her, but I won't get into that here for lack of space.
Actually if I remember correctly it was the hitters drink, like the kid somehow skilled his scotch. I donno maybe I should find the clip.
It takes a village to batter a child.
A lot of the "old fashioned" behavior you see in Mad Men is nothing more than a modern interpretation of how people used to act - imposing our own society's modern liberal value judgments on the actions of these fictional "old fashioned" characters. I would take all of it with a grain of salt.
Perhaps. I've no idea how things really were back then, I only have other people's accounts.
It actually isn't - depends on the damage done but really - if you want kids that spill fucking drinks forever-after with no understanding what bastards they are, the one way to ensure it is to make sure they suffer nothing for the mistake.
And you think hitting them is the answer? Come on, don't be silly. The parents would probably make the kid apologise, if they saw it.
I know hitting them is the answer some of the time.
Making a kid apologize probably won't work, that's why kids who grew up that way are constant fuckups, careless and without comprehension as adults.
A lot of baby boomers did turn out pretty fucked up, so the logic checks out.
Yeah. They defend that kind of treatment, calling it "discipline", but it's obvious that a lot of them were affected by it. My parents hit me when I was a kid, often for stupid reasons, but I can't imagine getting it from strangers.
"I never hit a girl but i shake the shit outta you" -kanye
Actually the Walters interview was from 1987. Quarter century after the 60s.
Right but he was being quoted from a 60s interview. Even if he had changed his stance or mind about slapping girls to admit to it, even 20+ years later, would have been a loss of frame and possibly done damage to his earning potential.
As we have seen with Trump it doesn't really matter what you say or how you say it. What matters more is your willingness to speak plainly and not back down.
I don't quite agree with that summary of Trump. What you say matters hugely, at least in terms of whether you respond to the question.
Virtually all interviews with 'controversial' figures are conducted in "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" fashion - questions are framed so that any direct response loses. You can challenge the assertion and be accused of evading, reject the challenge and be lying or stonewalling, or accept it and be confessing.
Trump's mastery is his absolute unwillingness to take leading question as it's asked. Reporters aren't supposed to ask the same question more than once (maybe twice) because it's bad TV, so he simply ignores them or disagrees.
He says "only Rosie O'Donnell!" and no one gives a shit that it's not true. You're right that he doesn't back down, but that includes refusing to answer some questions.
Eh the refusing to answer questions thing is pretty standard for politicians, some to the point of ridiculous.
In that first republican debate it was on full view. Basically it went like this.
Moderator asks pertinent question. Candidate makes 8 syllable non committal vague answer to original question then goes off on some unrelated canned speech about freedom sauce or Americafuckyeah or God™.
I remember this interview not long ago where an American politican (can't remember who) was being soft ball interviewed in England. The reporter asks something like, "Do you believe in evolution?" and the politician says, "I am going to have to punt on that one."
Are you fucking kidding me? Yes or no.
Trump on the other hand would have answered that question and if he didn't like the question would have made the interviewer feel stupid after he answered it.
I saw a good one the other day with Ben Carson where a farmer asked him his opinion on crop insurance program. He talked about how entrepreneurial risk-taking is an american virtue and how we need to do what we can to encourage that. Of course the whole point of the insurance program is to take some of the risk out of farming, but whatever. I guess what he was trying to say was, we need to ensure there is no risk in order to encourage risk taking. Of course he never answered the damn question, but he did his best to make you feel like he was behind the farmers and business and God and the troops and baseball. All in all it was a decent performance. He's got the bullshitting down, now he just needs to quit speaking in a monotone and grow some fucking charisma which probably isn't possible.
It would be cool if we could get a guy who just said, "I don't know dick about farming, I'l put somebody else on it and hope he doesn't fuck it up so bad that it ends up on the news" which is probably as close to the truth as anything. Hell it would be nice to get someone who would actually say anything.
I heard a speech Carson gave about when he was younger.
He said he tried to stab this guy in the guts with a knife and the only reason the guy didn't die was because he hit the guys giant belt buckle and snapped the tip of the blade so it didn't have any puncturing ability.
I was like, "Holy shit, this guy is a mild mannered psycho."
As much as I don't like him, I'll give Trump credit for saying very nearly that. He got a fairly in depth question about the Iranian Quds Force, completely flubbed it, and then answered "The day after the election, I'll know more about it than you ever will."
i'm tired of hearing them talk.
If I was a candidate I think I'd just say "America Fuck Yeah!" "Freedom Sauce" to every question and run with that.
Depends.
If you're in the wrong culture, wrong nation, wrong laws, could be.
Best move: emigrate. If you're stuck in one of those bad nations for now the best move is to ensure you don't let women get close enough they feel empowered to break your shit, chase you around screaming at you, or hit you.
Ever.
Where I've seen it come into play well is the woman steps out of line, the man lets the woman know she will get hit if she won't stop hitting or won't stop breaking things, and if she calls police she'll end up facing some other much larger woman who will break her fingers and scratch her face just about off.
And it works. Frame held.
Fifty no's and a yes still means yes
The best part of that clip was when it ended and autoplay started this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1_usmB30s
"Who'sh your connechtion!" SMACK!
5:13 is straight up rapey...c'mon.
That clip remind me of sitting in a bar with a couple and he was explaining to her who James Bond was. She was young and did not claim to know much about the character. The guy at one point said, he fucks girls that don't like until they do like it. As a side note the girl said, "oooh, that sounds like fun"
This version is my favourite for the simple fact that at the beginning, Barbara Walters says "I know Sean Connery regrets this conversation".
No, no he doesn't.
Here's an interview with his wife... listen to the way she talks about him. He's alpha fucks to the maximum...
you make love to me like that, you can slap me around now and then
This continually blows my mind. GF is at her wit's end trying to decide what to wear, until I pick an option for her (usually at random, whatever). You can SEE the relief on her face at not having to be burdened by the awful decision making process. It's fucking weird, but hey whatever works.
Not only does he hold frame in his telling of every day life in the Connery household, he holds frame with Barbara Walters in the interview. Could he be anymore Bond?
Her: Youre gonna get alot of mail for saying that.
Him: I might get some fe-mail.
Legend. Best Bond ever, sad with the direction they are going now.
Indeed. I actually stopped watching them. Don't want to ruin the Bond series experience I've had since I was young.
Really, it gives us informations about how women want a man nowadays. No more classy, witty, clever british gentleman but a rough bad boy who has no manners. Really sad that the definition of a man nowadays is a shallow asshole who got AAaAaaAabs. Should we give up our actual value in order to get some SMV?
(the feminine narrative gives a definition of a man and most people being BP, they follow it)
Really, it gives us informations about how women want a man nowadays. No more classy, witty, clever british gentleman but a rough bad boy who has no manners. Really sad that the definition of a man nowadays is a shallow asshole who got AAaAaaAabs. Should we give up our actual value in order to get some SMV?
(the feminine narrative gives a definition of a man and most people being BP, they follow it)
Worth noting that two years after that interview Sean was voted the sexiest man alive at age 59.
I thought I'd leave behind my favourite Connery scene.
I read this in Sean's voice in my head. So much better.
Eshpeshally all the sh shoundsh.
He has his own shubreddit, you know. It'sh actshully shpelled shubreddit. As in r/shubreddit/
Hello little girl. Come and shit on my lap.
Watch his Barbara Walters interview. So much lulz
That's one of the best summaries of TRP I've ever seen. And if he delivered that answer off the cuff like that... amazing.
The best summary of TRP that you can think of is "hit people for being hysterical bitches"?
You need to read the sidebar.
You need to read Connery's answer. All of it. And then read the sidebar.
You need to replace all the blue pills in your medicine cabinet with some red ones.
Maybe you could make an actual contribution to the topic and discussion at hand rather than just posting meaningless drivel.
Sean already said everything that needs to be said. Its Wayne Brady gonna have to open-handed slap a bitch?!
That's exactly what I figured. You have nothing of any substance to add. Just felt like spouting off.
I have oodles to share, you just don't seem worth the effort.
If all you took away from that interview is "lul Connery promotes beating women" then you are a blue pill gobbling, cherry-picking, delusional world living, plugged in agenda troll.
I should have just ignored you instead of spending 20 seconds I'll never get back. Make it up to me by watching the video again
he did - you didn't.
You're 100% blue pill.
I keep getting angry with Walters' attitude. She keeps chiding him and talking to Sean like he's a schoolboy. I can't stand that look in a woman's eyes.
Sean Connery is a real man.
I mean most women would say its OK to hit a man, and equality is what they clamor for soooo.....
OP, please include the interview linked in the comments to give it context.
I would argue to only hit in self defense. If it is to the point you want to hit, it's past the point of saving.. hell, it was not worth being in that relationship with that person in the first place.
Abundance mentality means there is always someone better. If you hit, it's a desperate act to keep someone, it's the ultimate last act out of the fear of loss. The woman should be the one who is in fear of losing you.
There is a difference between that and what Connery is talking about. Connery is talking about slapping someone to show them where the line is. The guys I've seen who hit their wives, they let the wife walk all over them, cuckold them, insult them etc., until they blew their top and beat her to a pulp.
Plenty of reasons.
I thought we called that hypergamy.
all women will get out of line.
This is how you keep a woman, a good woman, in line on rare occasion instead of constantly replacing them.
Seriously?
Sean Connery didnt swallow a red pill in 1965. THATS HOW THE WORLD WAS IN 1965.
Men ceded ground to women and stopped being men. You all want to shake his hand, and he's looking at you all as the generation that doesn't "get it."
Some of us grew up in "red pill" households. We didn't call it that, because that's what life was. But it still happened. Somewhere along the way, some of your fathers sold out on that idea, and that's unfortunate, but it doesn't have anything to do with anyone "figuring anything out" in 1965. They had it figured out. It was just never passed down to you guys.
Holy fuck! I didn't realize he was such a badass. I remember as a kid always wondering why girls were crazy for this guy even when he was old. I never understood it. He was RP, that makes sense.
I feel like everything in life makes more sense when looked at with an RP lens. It's an inconvenient truth but it's a truth nonetheless.
This is beautiful. He's clear-minded and respectful, and she's really trying to take it out of context, and he just won't let her.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1229086/Females-fickle-nature-say-researchers.html
Keep the pimp hand strong!
HAHAHAHA! Wow.
One thing I've learned recently is.. always walk away, boys.
Lethal and physical force should only be used when your life is threatened or in the interest of someone else's welfare.
Socially and legally, you will face consequences and they will be on the grounds that you used force out of your own PERSONAL SELF INTEREST, and not the aforementioned.
Just walk away.
Can you imagine if that interview was today, and it was some woman like Rachel Maddow or Jimmy Fallon or Meredith Vierra and they had James Spader or Mel Gibson saying they think a good slap is ok when justified and maybe some LGBT cause of the week is stupid.... it would break twitter and reddit and probably the whole internet.
The only time you should hit anyone is in self defense. Somebody being a "bitch" or "hysterical" is not a good enough reason to hit them. Or you can go around hitting people for being bitches and see how far that gets you. The jury will love that explanation. As will your cellmates when you're doing 60 days for battery.
Hitting people for being "bitches" or "hysterical" is a great example of sinking to their level. The ultimate loss of frame.
This is the kind of post that people love to grab onto when they say "oh look at this awful misogynistic sub".
That being said: wasn't there a mod post a few months back that said any posts advocating the hitting of women would be deleted?
Edit: found it https://archive.is/x2CMA
Did you read anything beyond the first couple of sentences? If not, re-read. This isn't a post about slapping women.
Then why not cut off that part of the quote? Again I encourage you to look at the stickied mod post I linked to which received 1100+ upvotes. This post looks a lot like a troll/gotcha attempt. OP's first submission to this sub.
Sean describing it, sounds like he's retaining his frame, as in a "ok, now let me continue reading my paper" fashion. Sinking down to someones level would be continuing to discuss or argue their twisted world view, till you're both angry. He shuts it down, not only breaking their frame but drawing a line wherein you're not crossing again. Pimps do this all the time...not saying Connery is a pimp...but he knows bitches.
Retaining frame by hitting someone so you can continue reading your paper? Really?
The way he (Sean) puts it, seems like its not even a thought in his head, like swatting a fly from your face, one can calmly pimp slap someone while keeping frame...pimps talk about this heavily, Iceberg Slim in particular talked about "slapping a bitch like a calm motherfucker, as opposed to some nigga screaming and slapping some bitch, inturn making himself look like a bitch" ...his words not mine.
You're missing the entire point.
The act of hitting is where the loss of frame has happened. No matter what your demeanor in carrying out the slap.
Go around hitting people "like a calm motherfucker" and tell me how that works out for you. One of a couple things is gonna happen: you're gonna slap the wrong person at the wrong time and get your ass kicked and or thrown in jail.
I got the point, I'm just seeing it from all points of view. For Sean this could be as simple as taking out the trash or even less so. Breaking frame in this context is used in variations and levels of the word. And going around hitting people? way to red herring and detract from the point.
Ultimately staying in frame is about being calm and collective in a situation that's trying to bring you out of that state of mind, if he's smacking his girl while retaining a cool and calm demeanor he's retaining his frame while slapping a bitch, I don't see the problem...well besides spousal abuse.
So battery is just as simple as taking out the trash?
There is no red herring. What you're advocating for is hitting people that annoy you in a calm collected manner. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No, you are. The act itself is the core of keeping frame. Women chase men around screaming, yelling, picking a fight because a man's place is strength.
The woman is in fact waiting for you to do this.
If you fail to put her in her place using force - you're not a real man in her eyes and she knows it. It's the ultimate failure of the ultimate shit-test.
It works good.
This is what real, actual men do. This is why they play sports or have bar fights and win.
Weak men run. Strong men, real men, just step up and take the hit or give one with calm, not fear.
Yes, really.
Actual, real frame means as a man in charge you use the efficient path, including a slap to the face, to get your way. No emotion, no tantrum, just state / force your way into existence.
All else is breaking frame.
That's why you are brainwashed by a feminist blue-pill society that says a woman can break your shit, yell and scream at you, but you gotta take it like a little bitch because if you don't, you're "breaking frame" or "making her scared" and so on.
Initiating force is breaking frame, that's not very Red Pill.
He isn't talking about 'escalation' and getting emotional. He's saying skip all the bullshit, don't pass her test- don't even care.. That when she is being a bitch and testing his frame he doesn't like to waste time. He warns her he isn't playing, then he reminds her he's in charge and she falls in line. I don't advocate hitting women, but if he does this completely without emotion or stepping out of his frame I fail to see how he has.
it's not. It is frame.
It's only certain cultures & laws that see it otherwise and those happen to be the most bluepill cultures there are.
It's not global. Not universal. Not natural.
What kind of force and to whom. To women sure is not red pill. But to some men depending on the occasion maybe it is. One could always argue.
Nonetheless you should never do it.
This is the most concise summation of TRP I have seen on this sub yet. Bravo.
Real talk, one of my plates needs an open handed slap. She mentioned early on that she likes to be "put in her place", even if she's "pushed or slapped." Not necessarily sexually, but when she's "acting out." (her words not mine)
Nothing she does could affect me enough to actually WANT to slap her during an argument. We dont even really argue because I'm way too chill for it. But I feel like it'll give her so many tingles. Her shit tests get more and more dumb and frequent, and whenever i defuse a situation with humor or disinterest or sex, i feel like its not always the way she'd prefer it to be handled.
Maybe getting slapped is her thing, iono. But next time I think I'm gonna try the Connery, with an open handed smack real fast. Not full power or nothing, just to stun her like a teenager, and see if it turns out good.
if it's not sex it will probably get you jail for a domestic assault
Agreed. They want you to react
I disagree with many of his political views, but damn do I respect any red pill man.
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Equality my friend, you're being sexist if you think one shouldn't hit women due to any other notion besides it being assault.
pple also racist as heck back then too
You're a complete fucking moron and twat if you hit a chick. Like really, you're a piece of shit. You can restrain her if you're being attacked but you're a fool if you ever strike a woman.
Say that to the average joe who is getting attacked by ronda houssey
You are a retard. No other way to put it.
Yeah, the person advocating for keeping some dignity and out of legal trouble is a retard. Makes sense.
Utter nonsense. This is just a deeply ingrained societal pressure to not hit women no matter the circumstance. The same people seem to have no issues hitting weaker men without compunction. There is nothing that makes women special, mate. If they deserve to be hit, they ought to be hit. Just like men, children, and animals. Kindly get off your high horse and re-examine the whole matter as objectively as you can. You might find something different in how you view this issue.