What Is And Is Not Plate Spinning

abdada · 2015-09-23T21:02:15+00:00

"I'm plating this girl I saw on the bus she's an HB10 how do I say hi to her?"

BloodRoseTRP · 2015-09-23T23:52:20+00:00

Unrelated, I initially upvoted purely for the use of the word 'chuckleheads' - call me weird, use of language like that reminds me that, underneath all the machiavellian posturing, we are just normal dudes trying to make it.

RedPillPopper69 · 2015-09-23T21:42:01+00:00

This has been driving me crazy. Here's another point I'd like made. Your girlfriend is not a plate. She's not your main plate. If theres only one, and theres only gonna be one in the foreseeable future, it doesn't matter how strict you are with her, it doesn't matter how obedient she is. she's your girlfriend. Start talking plates when you start spinning them.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-09-23T23:04:41+00:00

How are people screwing this up....seriously

No sex = just a girl you know
Sex with one girl = girlfriend/LTR/Fuck buddy/whatever
Sex with more than one girl = plates
Sex with more than one girl over a significant duration = harem

I realize the last point could be argued, but I do think spinning a few plates over a month or two is a different beast to that of managing multiple sexual relationships over 6 months

BustergunFIRE · 2015-09-24T03:52:21+00:00

3 step process to determine if a woman is a plate:

Is your penis going inside her?
Is your penis going inside other women?
If both of those are "yes", then she's a plate.

MortalSisyphus · 2015-09-23T22:24:20+00:00

In that series, Rollo is always walking the fine line between defining a plate as "a girl you're having sex with on a regular basis" or "a girl who you pursuing and may act as a fall-back plan"

In the first post, it's defined, for non-LTR as (all emphasis mine):

A Man needs to have a lot of simultaneous prospects spinning together. Think of each plate as a separate woman you are pursuing. Some fall off and break, others you may wish to stop spinning altogether and some may not spin as fast as you’d like, but the essence of plate theory is that a man is as confident and valuable as his options.

For men in LTR:

Inside an LTR, Plate Theory becomes more specified. The AFC placates and identifies with his partner because the balance has shifted to her advantage since he reinforces her understanding that she is his only source of intimacy. I can’t think of a better recipe for ONEitis since he become progressively more dependent on her as his only source of intimacy. The man that maintains, at the very least, the covert perception of options, either professionally or on an intersexual level (i.e. social proof that other women will compete for him) maintains this power balance.

It's pretty obvious Rollo's concept of "plate spinning" comes from Roissy's 7th commandment of poon:

VII. Always keep two in the kitty. Never allow yourself to be a “kept man”. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

This begs the question as to what makes an "option", but I doubt he meant "a current sexual partner" or else he would have made it more clear. Later posts in Rollo's series appear to shift the definition from a simple "option" to an current sexual partner, and it seems to be the definition adopted in TRP. I'd love to have the man itself showing up on this thread and clarifying his thoughts in the topic.

The only issue I have with this view is that in most cases, particularly involving a LTR, you cannot get away with actually being polygamous. Then aspiring redpillers drop the idea of "spinning plates" because according to this definition, it simply isn't feasible. And doing so, they make a huge mistake: they should be building fall-back options, getting women interested in them, without necessarily having sex with them. For "a man without options is a man without power", and "women want men that other women want to fuck" and THAT is the whole point of spinning plates, not the sexual validation of having multiple partners.

Rollo-Tomassi · 2015-09-24T15:58:46+00:00

Spinning Plates is an abstraction. It's an abstraction about the confidence that is engendered from knowing you have options and/or knowing you have the proven capacity to generate new ones should one prospect not develop.

A Scarcity Mentality is tragically the default mentality for most (Beta) men because they are unused to success with women. This is primarily the result of having been conditioned for a lifetime to expect their love lives to be a proposition of being thankful for taking whatever fate gives them.

This is the foundation of serial monogamy and allowing the Feminine Imperative to decide for them whatever it deems his usefulness to it is by rewarding him with less than ideal women who do the choosing for him.

Plate Theory is about fucking a roster of women, AND it is about developing a pool of potential women to consider fucking. At its core Plate Theory is simple pragmatism.

http://therationalmale.com/2011/11/02/plate-theory-ii-non-exclusivity/

Real options are the cornerstone of confidence, so try not to think of it in terms of risk – as in you’re risking the loss of “a great girl”. Most guys get to a point where Game and plate spinning give them their first taste of real options to select from or fall back on when another doesn’t pan out. The problem arises when they spin enough plates successfully to the point where they think they’ve maxed out to their “best” option and the old scarcity mentality returns. Most times a guy who newly practices Game and plate spinning never really spins plates per se; he uses it for the first monogamous opportunity that’s been eluding him for so long and calls it quits. He never actualizes and internalizes an abundance mentality.

Spinning Plates doesn’t necessarily mean you’re fucking all of your plates. It’s more of a spreading out of your efforts across a wider pool of subjects. Some will reciprocate, and those you entertain. Others will not, or prove to be less desirable, and those you let fall. This isn’t as difficult as it sounds once you’ve established your own resolve to be non-exclusive. At some point women will attempt to corner you into exclusivity and this is where your resolve will be tested. Women love to say how they have Rules, well you must have Rules as well. This means not shacking up with a woman, not slipping into any routine with her, not calling her more than necessary to set up another sporadic date, saving your weekends for women who’ve had a proven IL in you (i.e. sex or intimacy) and relegating those who haven’t to Tuesdays & Wednesdays, etc. This may seem like a lot of micromanagement, but once you put it into practice in as pragmatic a way possible to accommodate your life you’ll find that the decisions you make regarding the plates you are choosing to spin will become automatic.

OmLaLa · 2015-09-24T12:52:03+00:00

sigh if only....

You know what, u/bsutansalt? We should invent some sort of... you know.. a sort of "collection". Collection of the essential materials all men coming to the RP community could follow. You know, for guidance and stuff.

Okay now bear with me here, we could then stick this information on the side of the subreddit so that it'll show on every page moving forward! Maybe through some sort of -oh, I don't know- bar shaped library of information.

But what would we call something like that? "The bar-shaped library to the side of RP"? No no, that'll never do. It doesn't sound right. I know, we could call it "the bar at the side of the subreddit containing all RP material". No, not that either...

Well guys, I'm at an impasse. You guys're mods and all so I'm sure you'll figure something out.

KingoftheAssholes · 2015-09-23T21:15:15+00:00

Holy Hell, The fact that you even have to make a post about this is so sad that it's funny.

bigcitytruth · 2015-09-25T17:05:10+00:00

Also, a plate is a woman who you don't have to wonder whether she'll say yes to meeting and fucking. She's fully in your pocket.

bigcitytruth · 2015-09-23T21:20:17+00:00

Agreed. This also means a successful one night stand is also not a plate. It takes at least two times.

evileddy · 2015-09-24T19:31:29+00:00

Plates are dishes.. you do the dishes. If you aren't doing any dishes.. you don't have any plates.

Thought that was simple enough.

2015-09-25T13:10:42+00:00

Three tries at getting into her panties. More than that, then you're heading into orbiter country. Just walk away.

iLLprincipLeS · 2015-09-23T21:23:02+00:00

have you considered a bot that would auto respond to keywords?

sadly some posts on asktrp are basically asking tutoring like the posters would be some little babies, that would be not a problem if it would not be done for free.

want to study at the 9th ivy league, trp university, you pay the tax, and it's paid in hard work.

the manuals are in the sidebar, free, all you have to do is read it.

All Red Pill Sidebar In One PDF (self.TheRedPill) submitted 1 month ago * by _aroo

bsutansalt · 2015-09-23T23:46:39+00:00

Maybe splitting hairs here but what is the proper terminology for a girl who was once 1 of 3 plates, who is now my only plate due to me nexting one and then dropping the other?

I mean just because I haven't acquired another plate since my last one bounced, I still don't consider her my girlfriend.

I have always been a fan of the term moll. I will go with moll.

the_red_scimitar · 2015-09-24T01:15:11+00:00

I haven't seen the things OP is saying people are mistaking it for, but he's dead on about what it actually is.

RedWagonChronicles · 2015-09-24T14:35:17+00:00

From part 2 that you linked above.

"Spinning Plates doesn’t necessarily mean you’re fucking all of your plates. It’s more of a spreading out of your efforts across a wider pool of subjects. Some will reciprocate, and those you entertain. Others will not, or prove to be less desirable, and those you let fall."

2015-09-24T15:29:21+00:00

"Plate spinning" makes it seem like the plates are going to fall off the stick unless I'm putting more effort into (i.e., spinning the stick of) the plate closest to falling. If they want to fall I let them fall. There are always more/newer plates to be had.

2015-09-24T15:19:44+00:00

It's not a plate if it's plateonic?

Title	What Is And Is Not Plate Spinning
Author	bsutansalt
Upvotes	111
Comments	67
Date	September 23, 2015 8:59 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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No sex = not a plate