I wanted to post this because it really is worth reading over and over again. It shows that this guy (Will) has mastered the mentality of an IDGAF attitude. It’s a great read.
Submitted originally by into-the-abyss
Tl;dr - My boyfriend kept his wealth a secret from me throughout our entire relationship. I ended the relationship on the pretext that he wasn't money/career motivated, he didn't say anything to the contrary.
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I [F26] have been dating Will [M27] for most of 2014; I met him on New Years Eve, we exchanged numbers, scheduled a coffee date and have been seeing each other ever since. He's tall and shy, with long thick hair like Eddie Vedder. He lives in an older house by himself and drives a 1997 Toyota. He dresses very casually - I don't think he even owns a collared shirt - and all his clothes are minimum 1-2 years old. For income, he told me he "ran a few websites" and picked up piece-work as a 'session guitarist'. He is also very frugal. He never took me out for fancy dinners or anything. In the beginning it was always coffee dates, walks, hikes, etc. If we go out, he insists on 'pre-drinking' and refuses to buy drinks at a bar. Most nights he was content staying in, watching Netflix and playing his guitar. I never outright asked how much money he made, but given his lifestyle, clothes, furnishings, etc. plus the fact that he rarely worked, I assumed it wasn't much. I would lightly prod him with questions about the future, if he had any career goals - he would say that he "saw me in his future", but also he was "happy the way things were". I have Facebook and am on it every day, usually when work is slow. Lately my newsfeed has been filled with my peers getting married, buying houses, having babies, and other various accolades. I can't help but feel jealous by this; it seems like everyone but me is making significant gains in their lives and relationships. Three weeks ago, after seeing a girl I knew from high school buy her 3rd property with her husband, it felt like my relationship with Will was juvenile and had no future. The next time I was over at Will's (after he served me potato soup for dinner and was torrenting a documentary for us to watch later) I ended the relationship. I was perfectly honest about everything - he was a great guy, I loved him and his personality, but I felt he lacked career/life ambition and we wanted different things for the future. He sat and listened to everything, seemingly unmoved by it. When I finished talking, he said "fine by me" and asked me to leave. I went to hug him on my way out, instead he just guided me out the door and slammed it shut behind him. With prior boyfriends, we'd still talk or text a bit after we'd be broken up. Sometimes we'd even still hook up. I dunno, I've just never had a 'bad break-up' and always try to remain on good terms. I haven't heard a fucking word from Will, even after texting him multiple times and calling him once. I saw two of Wills friends at the gym today. I went over and made small talk, asked how he was, etc. I tried to explain myself, saying he was a great guy but our views on money and the future didn't seem to mesh. To this, one friend chuckled to himself and walked away. I asked the other friend WTF that's about it, and he says "Yeah, we heard. The thing is, Will's loaded. He inherited his grandpas land which is leased to oil and gas companies. I've seen the quarterly checks he gets and they're more than my yearly salary. Good luck getting him to spend it, though. He has a 'if it aint broke, dont fix it' type mentality. Just look at that piece of shit he drives!" This has completely baffled and upset me. I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger. I am a 26 year old woman who needs to be pragmatic, I can't just indefinitely date someone with the future being so uncertain. He could've said something, ANYTHING during our break up when I was explaining my doubts about our relationship. Instead he said nothing, and now he refuses to talk to me. It makes absolutely no sense. I just feel so low right now. If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her? He said he "saw me in his future", why didn't he care enough to share these things with me? He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming. Someone please help me make sense of this situation.
I really get a good laugh at the part where he served potato soup and torrented a documentary for them to watch, fucking hilarious, imagine doing that on your second date with today's modern women.
This was great. Even better if what the friends said was a lie orchestrated by them to see her reaction. Either way this guy doesn't give a fuck.
Also thought it was interesting that she thinks that was a bad break-up, and other clingy fuckers made for a good break-up. Obviously to her a good break-up is still getting validated by a dude after she's left him for other dick.
That would be awesome if it was all a lie, I was hoping for that.
However, the way the guy handled it implied to me that he has mentally prepped himself for gold diggers, and he cut the woman out of his life the proper way so he probably does have wealth.
I know there are a lot of physicians and med students on this board, likely because those people know they have to deal with women who are going to try to use and manipulate them. The way that 'Will' handled things implies he knows his shit.
the way he handled and, oddly to some I know, how he lives, have 'old money' written all over it, that's practically how the multi-millionaires in my extended family behave.
Exactly -- old money types generally know very well that people (men and women) will use them for their status and money. They often live frugally and don't do the nouveau riche thing of buying new cars every single year, "making it rain" at strip clubs, wearing ridiculously expensive clothes, etc. This guy had the smarts to withhold this information from an obviously superficial ass, (for ten whole months she cries!), and she showed her true colors. And she dumped him and complains about it!
Med student here, the pussy has yet to flow from the tap (and frankly I'm not in it for the pussy), but being a selfish dude with trust issues I'll never feel comfortable sharing any part of me (wealth, life, time) 50/50 with another person. At most... 80/20. Life's too short to invest it in another person -- unless that one person is yourself.
the way he handled and, oddly to some I know, how he lives, have 'old money' written all over it, that's practically how the multi-millionaires in my extended family behave.
I wouldn't be surprised. I think to some people money is like sex, it is only a big deal when it is new and you are used to not having any. After you realize you have a pretty wide open supply it loses its appeal.
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Makes a lot of sense actually.
"He could have easily kept our relationship alive by being forthcoming. Someone please help me make sense of this situation."
Sure, I'll help: You dumped him, you retard.
Admits she wouldn't have dumped him if she knew she could get money from him. Ain't that something.
But she stated right there that she isn't a gold digger. C'mon.
Haha yeah that was great. "I dumped him because I thought he was a broke ass, but obviously I am not a gold digger because I typed 'I am not a gold digger'."
When a woman feels the need to state something about her that should be obvious to the point of not mentioning it, well, then the opposite is the truth.
"No more drama for this mama!"
"Not here for hookups!"
Lol. Suuuuuure.
"I'm a strong independent woman!"
~codependent woman who hasn't been single for longer than a week since she started dating when she was 14.
Its not just girls, its everyone.
Think about the last time you heard a dude say, "I am not drunk."
It is so embarrassing. Western women are literally memes and should be treated as such.
Even pepes have more personality
With women, words are literally reality. They're not bound by pesky details like facts and objectivity.
Adding 'obviously' to a statement makes it magically true.
No, shes not a gold digger. She just wants to be loved. Loved by money.
She needs to learn the definition of accolade.
Houses, babies and marriages are not accolades. They are shit other woman have she wants. Fucking paying for them is a nightmare for a male.
i hate people who think owning a home is a major accomplishment . wow, you got a mortgage. woo!
Even if I were loaded, I would still expect a woman to pay for her own shit. Nobody ever paid for mine, no matter how broke I was. She has her own job and income I assume. Equality, right?
Sounds more like she was convincing herself rather than the reader
Women use either power talk, or self talk. Straight talk is for awakened men.
I ain't saying she a gold digger.
But she ain't messing with a broke nigga.
Well, not anymore at least.
Go 'head, bro. Go 'head, get down.
It's amazing. She let the jealousy of Facebook ruin her relationship. She had food, a place to stay, car, etc. everything. Not one mention about what she provided in the relationship and at the end "he should have saved the relationship". You willingly left after telling him it wasn't going to work out, but suddenly she finds out he has money so now it could have worked out. Someone please read her the definition of a gold-digger.
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I think whats more important here is that regardless of his wealth he was a bit a of a lay about. Nothing wrong with it, his life his choice but women always say the reason why doctors are so attractive is because they're highly motivated and that is the quality they're drawn to. This guy didn't want to do shit but hang around but now suddenly his lack of motivation is charming.
Yeah, they say that is what they are attracted to, but I'm willing to bet it's more about the money.
Of course it is?
The proof is in exactly how many male doctors, that spend 99% of their time in 3rd world countries, make piss all.
All of them are either:
Single
Or married to another doctor doing the same thing.
They are broke, and working to make a difference, IE super fucking motivated doctors, but they still aren't on a woman's radar for long.
The guys who go off to Africa with Doctors Without Borders or something generally do very well with women when they're back. They have the potential to do well financially, and women see that in them while being turned on by the fact that he's mysterious and international. They think they can get them to settle down and practice in the US where they'll be rich and happy. Thing is, these guys don't do that all that often just for a woman. They're usually not looking to settle down, and they've got more than enough pussy once they come back.
Make no mistake. Those guys do just fine. They often end up with a female doctor doing the same thing because it's easier than keeping a semi-permanent long-term relationship, and because those are the women they meet (not to mention, a female doctor going international to provide care isn't go to settle for a normal guy either, so they seek these men out). I wouldn't want to be the guy competing with a handsome doctor who frequently goes to the third world, even if I made twice his salary.
No, they want to use men with money, and they're great actors for being able to seduce men with money, but they aren't attracted in their loins for men just because they're rich. If she felt a primal attraction to him, she wouldn't have broken up with him, she would have kept him has a FB while she kept "dating" men looking for a rich one.
Money yes, but physicians also have status and women are attracted to that too. A woman would probably go for a physician earning 250k a year before going for a guy who owned a septic cleaning company and earned 250k a year.
It's not even money he earned. This newly-acknowledged pile of cash is no indicator of how clever or motivated he his. He simply had real lucky grandparents.
Still though, it makes her see him in a different light. This guy winning the lottery changes how she views him as a person. And she is still deluded enough to consider herself 'not a gold digger'.
It's NEVER the girls fault. Always someone else's. Remember?
Lol its so painfully obvious. He was trying to find a girl that isnt in it for his money, so he stays lowkey as fuck to find someone who wants him and not his money, had she of been at peace with sharing her life with this other human being, the benefits would have came with that, but shes a greedy cunt and failed the test. Will is a goddamn genius and a prime example to how to act in the event you obtain a large sum of wealth. This is how you defend yourself from the epidemic of gold digging whores right here.
I disagree. I don't think he was trying to find a girl at all. If anything, he is probably as willing to go without a woman as easily as he is able to go without the trappings of a wealthy lifestyle. I think the guy is intrinsically tight with a buck because he just doesn't have any desire to keep up with the neighbors. He knows what makes him happy, and money doesn't come into the equation. Obviously women do, but only on his terms.
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This works for me, and I'm broke as fuck. Sometimes you're so alpha that you don't even feel the need to prove to all the other people that you're alpha.
Enlightened people don't care about enlightenment.
tell that to the guys with alpha t-shirts.
I can speak from personal experience on this. I started making a much higher income and decided to dress the part. I was immediately attacked by gold diggers who clearly were disinterested in me but wanted access to my money. It was worse than abstinence when the woman you're spending all sorts of money on clearly considers you beneath her.
So guess what, I stopped dressing the part. First of all, it wasn't making me any happier, just had to deal with more shit I didn't want to deal with: dry cleaners, shining shoes, etc. Second, the women it attracted weren't doing anything for me either, just sucking on my wallet.
So I drive an old Ford, dress in jeans an tennis shoes, etc. The women basically ignore me. Much happier this way.
No hunter wants a prey that gives itself.
I see what you're saying, but according to her, he was a "great guy" and she "loved him". No where did she say he was "boring" or "unexciting". She was pissed that he wasn't "money/career motivated".
Your phrase that gold diggers were 'worse than abstinence' is interesting. I have never heard a well off man put it like that. Most well off men seem like they genuinely delude themselves to believe the women like them for them, or they feel it is a mutually exploitative relationship.
He knows that spending money on shit he doesn't need to impress people he could care less about is a pretty good means of maintaining yourself. In other words, he knows who he is and doesn't have to pay off someone to feel better about himself (unlike the wench who wrote the post).
To paraphrase Machiavelli, nobody ever went broke maintaining a reputation as a cheapskate, but spend yourself stupid trying to look cool and you'll be broke and everyone will hate you anyway.
Yeah, I really don't see what his being loaded has to do with anything. Dude just wasn't interested in keeping her around, could have cared less if she left. Whether or not the dude was loaded, I don't really see it going any differently. Maybe she'd have stuck it out more if she knew he was rich, but who knows.
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The "Get me what I want" speech. Awesomely handled.
I disagree, why would he or any man want to be with a woman that does not want to be with them? The dude probably has other options and doesn't mind nexting his current one.
Honestly some of the more frugal people can be completely irritating and party poopers with their inability to ever part with their money for anything. I save money but I also spend it on things I enjoy doing. I can see her point of view at being frustrated that he would rather eat potato soup and watch netflix than have hobbies or activities. But she broke up with him and thats her problem really. I dont think I would be friends with a guy like that though.
He has a girlfriend, a social life, a lifetime of financial security, and he plays guitar and is clearly pretty good. These are just the parts of his life she told us about. But I guess she wanted the moon.
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They went on hikes tho. And other activities. Maybe she couldve bought him dinner once? My gf does this as well idgaf.
I kinda thought that too.
I would have told her I have a decent career but be vague to continue the test. He probably wants to make sure she was head over heels in love with him and would move mountains to be with him
She failed. There are more fish in the sea.
Yeah but if you have any sort of money in the bank and refuse to buy your girl a drink outside of the liquor store that's the tip of the frugal idiot iceberg
I agree don't be in it for the money but dude sounds like a potato. Who gives a shit about the money if the person is a loaf
Have you seen Bill Burr's stand-up?
I can kind of see from her perspective if she wanted to have kids and she didn't think his work ethic could support a family. But it doesn't sound like that's the conversation she was trying to have.
She dumped him, and then explained it was because he didn't seem like he would ever have enough money to support her. Before that she's was only skirting the issue and never flat out asked him if thought he could support a family. If she had he might have spilled the beans about an inheretance, but probably wouldn't have mentioned how much.
But instead she dumps him saying that his personality isn't enough for her, and that she needs an ambitious man who will make plenty of cash. So he kicks that gold digger to the curb like a boss.
She thinks HIS success is the only way for her to get anywhere in life. That's the most troubling aspect.
Or her being jealous of her friend whose husband bought here THREE properties.
If he had married the girl, she would have blown all his cash in 5 years, then left for a guy with a better "personality".
Exactly. No where does she mention her career plans. No talk of climbing the corporate ladder during the relationship.
Oh I'm sure kids were on her mind. Read the part about Facebook and seeing all her friends doing all of that crap. She needs to keep up with them and validate herself by having kids and marrying into money...
I know..she even said herself he was great and everything was really good with him. Apparently it wasn't......I love how he didn't give a fuck when she dumped him. Stupid bitch
You hit the nail right in the fucking head. The sad part is he's probably just as happy alone as he is with his lifestyle and will end up single in the long run.
Eh, is that really a bad thing if you are happy? Company is nice, but if you are content in your person, you are doing what you want, and you are fulfilled by your hobbies, does it really matter if you are single? And if it is about sex, the dude is loaded, if he really wants to, he can hire a high class escort for a weekend. He doesnt really need anyone as long as he loves himself and is happy
need a woman in your life to be happy? sad without one?
Come again?
If he expects to find a woman who does not care for money and social position above love.
Yep he is gonna end up alone. Better off for it.
I'd like to Hijack this top comment for a second just to say:
THIS IS HOW YOU SHIT TEST A WOMAN! Right here fellas! This post is what I've been spewing for years! You want to test the integrity of a chick you are looking to settle down with? Make your money situation a complete and utter mystery.
This shit test works easier for men who live below their means like our good friend William here. He doesn't buy the latest Iphone, he doesn't buy a bunch of fancy shit he doesn't need, and he doesn't live in the most expensive house he can buy. Why?
First and foremost it's almost always a waste of money, secondly women can gauge your wealth from the shit you buy! This is vital people write this down. You can't test a chick if your flaunting a new Rolex and designer clothes. To her that screams "Hey! I'm made of money right here!"
Hide your money, hide your assets, and sit back and watch. Don't reveal anything about your financial situation. Women usually get board within 6 to 12 months of dating and will stick around if it's financially beneficial. This is where the man's shit test bears fruit. OP thank you for posting this story as it's something the community needs to see and really understand.
Sure this funny as hell but don't miss this large nugget of knowledge. I know for a fact a lot of you guys like to show off, and that's fine if you want a quick piece of ass. However if you are trying to find more than playing "who has the STD" this shit test will help you weed them out a bit better.
Men only wear rolex's and stuff like that to try to get laid.
The coolest thing to me about this story isn't so much "the test" but more that he was probably not testing. I think he just enjoyed a low key life and I always love those kind of people, I am one myself
Hell yeah. A rich dude who was content enough with potato soup that he serves it to his chick? Well done, sir. ... Well done.
I used to have a GREAT Top Ramen recipe, and I remember the girl I was dating trying to explain her joy to her co-workers when I told her that I was making Top Ramen for dinner that night.
Last g/f I had: "Why don't we go out to dinner more often?" ... "If you cooked more, we'd go out more." It was like telling her to piss in the corner of a round room.
I'm sure you are 110% in your assumption. I myself didn't happen on to this method of testing until I stumbled on to it myself and it's only because I hated talking about work and finances (small talk).
Part of my would like to think this isn't the guy's first time encountering a gold digger because one of his friends laughed in her face about the situation and walked off.
I want guys to be a little more diligent in their efforts when it comes to evaluating women. Mainly because it can be very difficult to see what a woman is really like at the core. These are people that literally put on a mask everyday to appear perfect, can act their way into men's pockets for life, and convince the world and men themselves that they are evil.
Finding a quality woman is rare, but learning how to weed them makes life so much easier.
It was still the right call for her because he clearly was never into her and probably considered her to be a plate.
"I'm not a gold digger, I just dumped him because he doesn't have any money."
Notice how when she's talking about the house, car, and third property there's not even the shadow of the thought that she could work hard and get these things for herself? The man is supposed to just hand her this stuff. So for an RP guy that has the self determination and luck to make it big, this is what you get to look forward to from your ex gf's. They will come sniffing around to see if they can still get something out of you. Kudos to this guy for weeding out a gold digger.
Edit: I honestly wonder if Will had talked to his friends, and they seized on an opportunity to fuck with her, knowing that she's a gold digger.
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not just money. HIS money. her going out and making her own money never even seems to occur to her.
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You know it has to be bad when a woman is getting her ass served to her on a platter in 2XC as well.
Yes! She has zero life goals apparently that require work (such as going to med school? Law school? Earning an MBA?) but complains about her married friends buying three properties et cetera. Then she dumps him because he is not "career-minded"
I'm going to go against the grain here and say I see nothing wrong with her. At first, she probably thought he had a lot of potential, then later found out he was going nowhere in life and was a risky bet for her potential children.
There's nothing wrong with that. That's her female porogotive. I mean, wouldn't you want to bounce out of a relationship if you found out the chick you were with was a huge slut in the past with a ton of baggage? She's risky towards your wallet, and your future relationship. She's a useless fuck, who is low value. So what the fuck is wrong with a woman who wants a guy who is doing things with his life? She doesn't want a loser, the same way you don't want a loser. Money is a good indicator that he's creating value in the world. That he's a man with purpose.
I completely 100% dissagree that a woman leaving a dude for being broke and directionless is somehow fucked up. And see nothing wrong with a girl including at least some level of financial stability as part of the foundations of a man... The same way you and I may consider looks and emotional stability as a foundation of her, on top of all the other things we look for in a partner.
Right, so as a guy that has disposable income, I can say I've worked hard to get to that state. My crazy ex was a gold digger by the textbook. Long story short, she found out that I had some cash and was trying to get all over me, while she was married. From personal experience, dealing with a gold digger is pretty disgusting. It's a mix of being insulted because she's reduced you as a person to the last line on your bank statement, pissed at watching her true self emerge from behind the mask, and being revolted at her total lack of personal ambition. True, this is all women to a degree, but a golddigger like the one in the post here carries it to an extreme.
Except he isn't broke or directionless. By all accounts, he's exactly where he wants to be. He's just not doling out the gifts that she feels entitled to. When she mentions a third property, it's a bit beyond just being able to provide for a family. It's moved into extravagance. None of which she wanted to personally work towards. She wanted instant gratification and attempted a branch swing which backfired.
Thank, fucking, you. This is exactly what happened.
"Betty has so-and-so and such-and-such, I should have that shit too, after all, I've got a vagina!" * pouty-face *
Fuckin' disgusts me...
Yep, epithets like ambition, juvenile, broke and directionless doesn't give us any information about this Will guy, just paint him in a bad light. Though for her, lacking ambition and juvenile relationship means the guy isn't manning up to serve her by buying her things.
To tag along with your comment. I wouldn't really say the guy is broke either. The guy is able to have internet that is fast enough to download a documentary that they can watch later in the same day(I think). If the dude has internet and cooks potato soup implies that his utility bills are paid on the house that he lives alone in then he isn't really broke. It's that the dude uses old stuff and being very frugal with her that somehow indicates that he's broke.
I agree. I think there is a difference between a woman sticking it out with a man after a bout of unemployment or other financial hardships (or man sticking with woman, whatever), and then this, which is a lot more like displayed apathy on his part. I don't agree with everything she said but one of the things men (men who want to be husbands anyway, which is what OP is looking for) do is provide women security. A man who doesn't seem concerned with investing in the infrastructure needed to afford a home, children, and not do so living incredibly difficult lives wouldn't be a candidate for a quality man for OP's goals. Of course, the woman should be willing to work toward that goal too in whatever capacity her husband deems appropriate, but this post isn't about that and we don't know for sure OP isn't doing those things.
I really don't see this as AWALT. I see this as a woman approaching the wall who needs to know whether this man is worth her investment in working toward building lives and a family, or if she needs to move along because he either does not want those things or does not want those things with her.
Will's Red Pill Level: Expert.
What's really funny is that I can tell Will didn't slam it shut, he probably just closed it behind her.
But because he didn't collapse into a fucking blubbering mess and cry and try to talk to her about it, it was the the emotional equivalent of slamming the door... so that makes it door rape, really.
Fuck. Women are ridiculous. Comparing your life to someone else's is a sure fire way to fuck up your own.
Good job, lady.
Just because of Facebook. Fuck that woman.
Well its common knowledge that these hoes want social status.
I get a constant reminder every day of that.
The attention I get dressed like an engineer is in sharp contrast to when I am dressed like a carpentry contractor.
She was comparing her relationship with her facebook friends' relationships. Basic.
Facebook is typically a breeding house for westerners suffering from "Obsessive Comparison Disorder."
Will at 27 has a good 7 years of prime Tang' ahead of him, she is approaching the wall and needs that white picket fence life ahead to post on fb.
its amazing that 'facebook' triggered this. not her own desires to be an adult or anything.
Facebook literally convinced my sister to have a kid.
I don't use facebook much, but I remember her showing me all her friends posting pictures of their newborn babies. Pretty much a year later she got a bf and they just recently had a kid.
Facebook is a shithole and a disease.
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Ehh, if it wasn't Facebook it would be relatives, friends, etc in person.
But then that's actually people communicating face to face, most of whom would not advise someone to have a child within a year of meeting someone because she's jealous.
As in "oh, so when are you two going to have kids?" Or mothers pressuring their daughters for grandchildren and what not.
yeah, girls tend to copy their female friends. if your girlfriends friend breaks up with her boyfriend...watch out, you're probably next.
Same goes for divorce disease
Facebook is for people who you kinda want to keep in touch, but don't want the annoyance of seeing face to face. Perfect for family I'd say.
I use it for groups and pages. I've unsubbed from a majority of friends except those i keep frequent contact with. The rest is local events, meetups, and hobbies.
Don't use Facebook at all.
Never, ever trust Zuckerberg.
It's a symptom, not the disease.
Facebook is just a piece of software. At some point you have to fault people for their own choices, and not inanimate objects.
First thing I noticed.
Yup, keep comparing yourself to some shit posted on FB. Great Idea.
Not facebook, but her own insecurity feeding from her failure at having a successful career. Facebook just makes it seem acceptable because of the "everyone's doing it" syndrome.
keeping up with the jones isn't a new phenominon. the internet just makes it easier, and with larger groups
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the only hard and fast rule I have for women.
Never date a girl who didn't like "The Goonies"
Chester Copperpot thanks you.
And again, facebook is not novel in this regard.
Every entertainment medium ever created is guilty of this. Films, television, books, and even the news portray the exciting and ideal points of life far more often than the mundane, boring ones.
Jokes are perfectly set up, and have a laughtrack that makes people subconsciously find jokes funnier. Emotional music plays during important events. Everyone is attractive. Something important or exciting or good (often all three) is always happening.
The more one exposes him or herself to any sort of media, the more they will be dissatisfied with their current state of affairs, as a general rule.
Rest assured, the expiration date of Alpha is decades past your mid-30s, if ever.
Though if you want to start a family its not easy to settle down with a 21-25 year old after you are 35.
I'm 54. I dated a 22 year old last year.
The last two numbers I got were from women 24 and 19. I'm going my own way so I'm not interested, but it can be done.
Stay in shape, kids.
Shit I'm 28 and pull 20-22 year old chicks' numbers often. My old friends were all confused why I would want girls that young. My old friends suck.
Im 43 and get 20 somethings all day. take care of yourself...it's a long life.
Dewd. WAAAAAAAAAY more than 7 years, unless he's a total fuck-up or has some sort of asymmetric event (car accident resulting in paralysis/death, weird, undetected cancer) happen to him.
That's a global problem, not a western problem. Go visit the east sometime it's hard to miss, sadly.
I don't know; in Japan, for example, it's a cultural taboo to post selfies. And a lot of eastern cultures view social media as encouraging arrogance and cultural dissolution(which it is)
naw man, ask any asian, their parents are always comparing them to other people.
This is very true. Asian parenting really fucks your self esteem up even if you are smart and successful. There is always someone else's kid who is better and makes more money lol.
That's definitely true. I've heard my fair share of horror stories.
Eh, I live in Japan and half my FB friends are Japanese. I see an occasional selfie from time to time, and pictures of your newborn kid when you have one are pretty much a requirement.
Exactly, I stopped reading when she called buying a house an "accolade" like that is some kind of achievement.
Especially since "buying" a house actually means getting a mortgage, and we all know how well those have been turning out for people over the last several years. Like SJW's, bankers change the meanings of words in order to make giving them power over you sound more appealing.
He's a musician, he has more than 7 years of good pussy ahead of him. Don't ever under estimate the power of being on a stage with an instrument in your hand.
Does it still count if the stage is your bathroom and the instrument is an organ? Asking for a friend.
With the money he has coming in, he will always have prime Tang.
No. He will, because he has the right mindset.
Men are at their prime at age 40-45, women 20-22.
Not sure if you made that up but that's fucking brilliant. There are people with actual disorders that are less handicapped than these attention-starved whores.
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I want to buy Will a beer to thank him for not caving.
He's wealthy and pragmatic. She sounds so goddamn immature and it's sad (and expected) she doesn't see it. Watch her eventually beg will to take her back and Will smiles back, saying "I'm gonna Netflix and chill with myself."
outcome independence... It's not talked about in here, but once you internalize it, the anger phase is like a quaint memory
Can you elaborate on that a bit for a newbie?
Outcome independence. It means just that, regardless of what happens, you aren't phased by it, because of abundance mentality. There is always another girl, another opportunity, and no one single person is worth making concessions for.
Now it's just a meaningless post like that. Reading NMMNG, manipulated man, and a few of the other readings will help internalize the depth behind that simple statement.
This. Exactly This.
Prior to coming to terms with my independance I needed a relationship and I would often compromise to get it. I was lucky and had a reasonable relationship for several months before the girl passed away. Since then I've 'checked the market' and always come back with the assumption that I won't lower my standards, just because that's all that's available to me at this time. Whereas previously it would anger me that certain women wouldn't respond to me, or acknowledge me - I just accept it now and it doesn't phase me, it makes me more determined to move forward and develop myself independently without lowering standards.
Can't emphasise enough that 'There is always another girl, another opportunity and no one single person is worth making concessions for'.
I'm about halfway through Manipulated Man and I'm not getting it yet. Some of the things are contradictory to other reading materials or seem like intentional exaggeration of reality or hyperbole for the sake of impact. I want to finish it then go back and reread it while writing up a post critiquing it. Nothing in it is untrue per se, but reading it is much like reading A Modest Proposal but it's harder to tell what's sarcasm and what isn't.
I'm learning this now. I've been in a strict monk mode for awhile. Work, gym, home. Haven't talked to girls, haven't gone out except maybe to dinner with some buddies of mine once a month. Just been working on myself.
Recent festival here in town, went out on the town for the first time in awhile. Went home w/ a girl I met at the bar, matched with another girl I saw down there (whom I had known previously) on Tinder the next day (probably coincidence), on my first night out. I fear no outcome, because there is always the next day.
So TLDR is that they are disposable and easy to replace,no need to bother crying about it.
That seems easier to remember,i guess.
Thanks, that helps. Still learning here.
Say you are at a bar and you have a drink in your hand.
Someone bumps into you accidentally... or you are just damn drunk and clumsy and end up dropping the drink.
Do you get mad? Nah. You are in a bar, drinks are plentiful, enjoy going to get another drink, maybe this time try something else!
The fact that a man wants to buy him a beer even knowing he's loaded says a lot. A woman would insist that Will buys the beer, cuz, well, you know... he has more money so he should use it to treat me!!!
Hahhahahhahaha. Flipping the script with that Marilyn Monroe qoute is genius.
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I use FB to troll alot. Just posted that Marilyn shit. I have a few family members of my LTR that are quite "feminist" orientated with her brother being a stay at home "husband" soon to be "stay at home daddy" while mommy works her accounting job. This and jesus jokes, quite entertaining.
Potato soup is freakin awesome.
99% Sure Will was kinda done with her shit anyway. He was defs testing to see if the money would change her, and knew it would. Either that or the dude just knew he could do better and didn't want to be locked down.
I feel people should have to divorce their partner before they're allowed to marry. In this manner they can see their partner at their absolute worst. --D
Hamsterlation:
"I met this guy, I really liked him. Will owed it to me to be honest with me. That means he owed it to me to tell me about his money, so I could have decided to stay with him because he has assets.
"He lied to me by not telling me about his assets, which I could have used for my benefit. He owed it to me to share some of that money with me. He owed it to me to spread some of that wealth around by spending it on me and taking me to Europe for a nice vacation.
"He needed to tell me about his money because he could have stayed with me if he had. I wouldn't have broken up with him if he'd told me about his money. (But I'm not a gold digger...)
"We had sex a few times when it was "meh". I think he raped me. I've been grievously injured. Only money damages can heal and cure me of said injuries. Someone find a personal injury lawyer....."
call 1-900 MIX-A-LOT , message board attorneys are standing by
Notice the constant factor here........ It's a fucking scary world when the rape part is true.
Jesus Christ, if a girl were to invite me for home-made potato soup and a torrented movie - That would be LTR material right fucking there.
My boyfriend and I are fairly comfortable - we go on dates, but most of the time it's food at home and a good movie. The last one was 'Doctor Strangelove', and I made soup (alas, not potato) and pasta.
An example of a date would be some nice seafood, then the theatre, a comedy show, the cinema or just a cocktail or gig/concert, or watching sports. Nothing fancy, just spending time together doing something fun.
I love home-made soup! Like you said, there's something so caring and nurturing about someone bringing you soup/casserole-type food.
Also, documentaries are awesome.
Sounds like you guys have a good thing going.
Are you enjoying this sub ? Out of curiosity how "redpill" would you say your BF is ?
I enjoy lots of subs on here, especially ones to do with human behaviour and relationships - I'm a (edit - trainee) relationship counsellor. I have a few theories on RP and alpha etc. which I find interesting.
My boyfriend isn't RP at all in the traditional sense. He makes me happy and I him. I am of the opinion that you can learn lots of things from different schools of thought, regardless of whether you agree with the whole thing or not.
We have discussed feminism etc. and are both 'equalists' as far as that sort of thing goes, and recognise that both genders get buggered on different things. I am a bit of men's right activist myself, having mainly worked in male-dominated jobs (engineering) before going into my current career. e.g. I have seen single-father friends being absolutely shat on by the benefits system, but then I have also seen lady friends (and myself) being unfairly treated for our gender - I know those things aren't always comparable, but hopefully you get my point?
We are both very much equals in the relationship, and it works for us... good for us, I guess. Not for everyone. Every couple is different, and I have learnt and read some good stuff on here, but also disagree with some (psuedo-science/soft-science and stats). Not enough to unsubscribe.
One thing I found interesting was how a lot of the 'unpleasant' behaviours of women mentioned resonated with me - in how I probably acted as a teenager (e.g. orbiters) - after all, everyone likes attention growing up, right? I guess the difference is that some women get past that need for validation.
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It's like any philosophy, forum or school of thought. You get a group of people with a common interest and it kind of spirals from 'oh hey everyone, isn't this idea worth discussing' to 'Pump and Dump! Women are beautiful, mysterious, disgusting whores! I am alpha, I sniff crotch, beta sux'
.... yet underneath it all, there is some really really interesting and worthwhile things, and I would much rather be on here discussing this stuff with you guys than on a feminist subreddit. I'm actually banned from SRS for daring to point out that a huge amount of Eating Disorder sufferers are young men and teenaged boys. Because god forbid they deserve recognition and help /s.
Redditing is like panning for gold. It takes time, but it's worth it and you do learn stuff (if you are willing to take things with a pinch of salt). Also it's pretty cool and interesting to realise what some men think about women (and by extension, me).
It's not all wrong. e.g. me and my boyfriend were talking about sexual experience - as a topic, not in detail, and he said that in the past it has caused some issues. It's made me aware that people respond differently to the same topic. Whereas a partner-count does not bother me, it may bother others, and I must respect that (even if I disagree with them).
Say what you like about TRP, you guys generally have quite good manners.
It doesn't really matter what type of food, if she plans the date and makes the food that's already more effort than what you'll get from 99% of women.
I'm going to make some German Potato soup and torrent a movie now(maybe some Kurosawa or such). Then I'm going to p90x, play some guitar and go for a walk down to the coffee shop.
I have a new hero.
Better be Seven Samurai you torrent.
How about Dersu Uzala or get the fuck out.
Best to buy it and support good art lest we get stuck with nothing but romcoms in this world.
Funny you should mention Kurosawa, but after I torrented The Hidden Fortress, I totally forgot how to attach the subtitles to the video file. Just saying you should know the risks.
Just drag and drop the .srt file Onto the playing video in VLC
I should make clear I was watching on a piece of shit ten year old iMac so that's probably the root of my problem.
Name the subtitles file the same thing as the video file
Why make the German potato soup when good ol' Tony has it premade every time you workout?
If chest and back day is everyday.
Hell yeah, watch Yojimbo if you haven't seen it. It's the movie that Fistful of Dollars was based on and is about a ronin, wandering samurai, that goes through a town run by two groups of gangsters. The main character is definitely a great RedPill example.
Im eating chips and salsa while watching Gundam 0083 in honor of the potato soup and documentary Will served to his ex
Like a pterodactyl backin' outta danger! kaww, kaww!
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And then she's furious that he didn't spend his money on her.
This wasn't about "He lied to me" or even "I wanted him to be financially secure", this was "doesn't he want to treat her"? She had a damn good idea where she wanted that money to go.
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All the romantic guitar sessions and candlelit dinners in the world won't ever change that fact.
Yeah, it is reasonable that a girl would want a man who could afford a decent house, to give her kids a good life, etc. but that line sealed the nail in the gold digging coffin. It wasn't about future stability or anything like that. It was about her wanting to be given an extravagant life.
Between "treat her" and the fact that she broke up after seeing someone buy a third house, I'm definitely not seeing "financial security" as the ambition here.
It seems like the fighting in the comments is between people saying that her actions were reasonable, and people saying that her words and motivations seem to have been terrible.
Same "real world" that it's always been. Women want something from men, they have to bring something to the table. As in more than their vag. Men have to bring more than a swinging dick. Generally, the "real world" of give and take is pretty fair. Her breaking up with him is representative of a broader power move by men, and women will respond to it by bringing back such antiquated customs as "being considerate" and "making themselves useful" and "true equality, decided on equal terms by both parties involved".
Just a gold-digger with a slow brain and a long reaction time
Or just not attractive enough to find a richer man to branch-swing to for 10 months.
Gotta add that she has very very short term amensia as she says she's not a gold digger, but then proceeds to say that she dumps him for his money.
"I left him because he doesn't have a profitable career, but I'm not a gold-digger"
It's beautiful.
After a while you begin to find the hamster a really funny creature.
All women are gold-diggers. She thought she could branch swing to a better dude and found out he's loaded and is regretting pulling the plug on their relationship.
They are net consumers. They literally have to find someone to pay for their bullshit and children.
Marriage is a real eye opener. As it falls apart you get to see what really motivates them.
Never ever get married or have children. It is a death sentence these days.
First, kids are the future. Not having them is a death sentence, and that's reality.
Divorce is a death sentence. Paternity laws are a death sentence. As usual, the punishment is the problem and the solution is improving the socialization skills of the next generation of kids.
Do you really give a shit about the world after you die?
Death sentence for the species.
For the individual?
Well, you live 70-80 years whether or not you fertilize any eggs.
Marriages tend to be a death sentence to a man's soul. We've all seen it happen. You can try to have an "RP marriage" all you want, but marriage is RP on hard mode, and you never know when you might get a bad roll of the dice and end up disabled or giving her some other reason to leave.
Whereas if a man stays single, he can pretty much live his life however the fuck he wants. More men should give the finger to their "prime directive" and realize this is an option.
Yeah don't forget if you are a top tier man you can always donate sperm and leave some bastards around for women who's hubby is shooting blanks.
And yes I mean actual sperm donation at a fertility clinic, not Chad-ing it up. At least that way you have legal and social expectations that you will not be a part of your offspring's life.
AWALT. it's how women love. she didn't become a gold digger until she found out it was an option, she was perfectly happy sticking with an investment man.
TBH, I can't see many relationships doing it differently. Short of the wealthy woman (who may like this, or would rather get an alpha anyways) it's pretty MGTOW.
But he'll be happy, and thats whats important
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okay, i know AWALT. and i think i have read everything in the sideboard. but what's MGTOW?
Men going their own way.
Exactly how much reading. Have you done?
I think this really seals it. If he told me about his cash I totally would have stayed!
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Maybe she's smarter than she's letting on. When there's something important you want done, you get a man to do it.
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Of course it's okay. Her reasons for breaking up with him are reasonable. What this guy did, was demonstrate to her what his lifestyle was and how he chose to live it. She decided he and his lifestyle were not right for her.
Then she finds out about the money and is all "Well that changes everything!"
Does it really?
That's a good point. He wasn't going to spend it on a lavish lifestyle either way so what's the difference? Finding out he had money should have made her gladder she dumped him. He was choosing not to spend it on her, right?
She would have found a way to get him to spend his money on her. Women always do.
She says "Proof I'm not a Golddigger" when she was actually proving that she was exactly that
This is not necessarily true. Ambition is an attractive quality. Someone could be poor but have ambition and drive that women find attractive, or a guy can be rich but have no ambition whatsoever, and women would not be attracted to him but rather would seek to pretend to be to benefit from his wealth.
That is they key to the whole thing. Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money.
I can never get my head around these fools that think "oh, you have disposable income...so you should just dispose of it on me."
Like it never dawns on the economically illiterate people that the good times don't always just keep rolling. That even people with "disposable" income have a finite amount of it; and that some people would rather invest or hoard the money away for a rainy day than spend it on baubles and frivolities.
I will not agree with your first sentence.
When I was 21, I had a great girlfriend who spent a lot of money on me. I was someone with no money at that time, still in college.
Sadly I broke up with her as she wanted to get married, and that was too early for me.
Not every woman wants money. She said she loved me, and she did. Maybe I did as well.
She is married now.
dudes got the right mindset. he saw her as a liability
OK Will, what is your username? When will we see the FR on this one?
Can you share that potato soup recipe too?
Yeah and we need some good documentaries to torrent
"Well it's not my fault I let Clark Kent go!!! He just seemed to be a boring old news reporter with his lame ass rim glasses and oversized clothes! My gawddd he didn't even care about his job or wanted to aspire to be anything greater than the average dick face reporter because he was always suddenly leaving and making excuses to everyone!!! How I was suppose to know this hunched over, tall, muscled bown, apparently socially awkward manlet was secretly Superman?!!! I meannnnn if he tolddd meeeee we would possibly still be together?!!! He could have let me knoooowww! Just show up to work with a michael jackson curl on your forehead or something!!"
Imagine if Superman were 5'2"
He would be a 35 year old Superboy. lol
To be fair, if I found a girl who is as good as it gets in every other department, but she told me that she needs to know that I can provide for her for us to make a family I wouldn't fault her. If anything that's the sign of a girl you want to keep.
You don't need three properties to raise a family, and this is what triggered her to break up.
A perfect example of how Facebook can make you unhappy. People gripe about news media being only negative, but positive news makes us feel like failures by luring us into comparison.
Exactly. You need 3 properties to one up your 'friends'. That is what she wanted deep down inside, to one up her friends online. Will was just a vehicle to use to help her achieve her selfish, vapid goals and he handled it well by cutting her off.
Only 27, has his own house and car, no debts, cooks, a full head of hair. Sounds like a damn good base and a decent match in this day and age.
But it clearly wasn't enough for our lazy, spoiled, social-media-brainwashed "I deserve so much more" wannabe FB celebrity here. Funny how she didn't say anything about what SHE brought to the table aside from her pussy.
Probably nothing! She clearly stated that she wanted a man with goals/ambition, if she had some of her own, she wouldn't be depending on a man for it!
Women have been trained to think that having a vagina automatically entitles them to the top 10% of men (and a monogamous relationship, which mathematically is impossible. There aren't enough 10%ers to go around).
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Respect for the woman. Kids are awesome.
Respect for the man kids are horrible.
Agreed but there were somethings in this that show that wasn't really her motivation. The line about wanting to spend your money on your girl and the bit about her comparing herself to her friends on facebook were some signs that she wanted more than future stability. All in all I dont think she is some evil gold digging whore but she certainly doesn't sound like a girl I'd want to marry(not that I would do that regardless lol).
She just hasn't come to terms with her inner gold digging whore, yet.
There's your problem. The only women worth considering for a LTR are those that are willing and able to support themselves, and had done so before you met them. If she thinks that the relationship is dependent on your ability to support it, it'll only get worse. She's either a plate or sent packing.
All a matter of personal preference. A lot of men and women are totally fine with the traditional family setup. Some guys want a girl who'll do the dishes, raise the kids, and keep herself presentable, while he goes and makes the bread.
And that's fucking retarded when you realize how modern technology and education make housekeeping and childrearing one of the easiest jobs in the world. No way I'm using my money to support a child incubator. And I can clean and cook my own food just fine, thank you.
I was going to say, her choice to break up with him seemed 100% fine. Looks like Eddie Vedder? Pre-drinks because he refuses to get drinks at a bar? Stays in and watches Torrented Documentaries? Unless this is guy freaking cool, I probably wouldn't even want this guy as a friend.
Hamstering is hilarious, of course, but still.
As much as this sub doesn't really talk about it, part of an ltr is having common goals, and this guy doesn't seem to have any goals whatsoever besides playing guitar and consuming huge amounts of media. She didn't mention that he was in a band or performed ever. It seems like this guy has as many issues as his ex. And no career-minded woman would date him, since he has very little energy. He probably doesn't exercise. Unless this dude is seriously pursuing a career as a guitarist, it doesn't seem like he's dating material for anyone with goals in life.
She said he went on walks and hikes.. So.. He just seems like a guy that wants to live comfortably instead of a guy that has to prove he is something he doesn't want to be.
Looks like he managed to have a woman around to fuck for 10 months. I'd wager he has another by now. Dude is living the life as far as I'm concerned, as long as he has no aspirations of finding a long-term partner or having kids.
He has a house, car and a job. Its her fault if she didnt stick around long enough to get a peek at his financials.
Its one thing to leave because he didnt want to progress the relationship - she left because she's an idiot and thought he was broke. Dumbass should have checked if his house had a lien on it.
But as ive repeated like 20 times already, this sub is also full of morons who think its possible to be penniless and live in a house by yourself.
Not a lot of smart people on here - no wonder that "always keep a bunch of cash, also, dae money laundering?" post was so popular.
And why exactly?
Why the fuck are YOU in the position of PROVIDER? That's the default Beta position. Whether you make 6 figures or $6/hr, you're the CAPTAIN, not the bitch who pays for everything.
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This is the attitude that has gotten us where we are. Well adjusted children come from loving parents, not who pays for what. This attitude that women only have the gene to care for children is bullshit--as a father, no one loves their kids as much as I.
I could write much more, but maybe a post in MRP is warranted on this.
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Have you been living under a rock for the past 30 years ?
Wake the fuck up . The shit you wrote does not exist anymore .
Feminism has completely destroyed this type of parenthood.
To be a provider in a western feminist country is to be a loser. If there's anything you learn from TRP it should be this.
because men are completely useless if they can't provide. every single person on the planet would be a woman if they had the capacity to work hard and think hard while 8 months pregnant. they don't. though men also used to murder their wives and her lovers if they got caught and there was a strict social stigma against infidelity so I get where you're coming from. you provide your resources while you can't enforce her to provide hers.
That's where you're slightly wrong. Men are only "useless" in the classical sense if they can't reproduce. Important distinction to make.
depends, one is from society's(or perhaps a local community's) point of view, one is from your own. a beta has its uses, that's why women keep them. if you can muster up enough resources to keep yourself alive and then some, your existence is justified. whether or not that some is enough to provide for a large family and get you in a dominant position in your community, that's a separate matter.
Laughing my ass off while reading this. This guy really does not give a fuck.
Why not spending any money on cool shit though? I have the same mentality like Will to only buy new stuff when they are broken but at least would have gotten myself a nice studio (since he plays guitar).
Because he got his money mostly by luck. If he spends it freely he will lose it all.
He doesn't even have to spend the actual money when he makes bank off the interest.
According to the story he's not banking off the interest. He's investing it by renting it to rich companies.
It being the lands he inherited, not the money.
Investing your money is smart, but it doesn't seem like he actually has much of any life skills. If something goes bad and he loses the money for whatever reason, he'd probably have no way to get himself back up.
I didn't really read into that, so thanks for clarifying. Obviously, it's hard to be a productive member of society when you're independently wealthy, but that doesn't stop him from going to music school or starting a band, if guitar is his passion.
This is really the only issue I have with the guy, that he's not really about anything, and he has the means to do pretty much anything. It's not about spending money or flaunting it, it's about being able to go live a little and use all that free time to make something more of himself. That said, he's killing it in every other area, so kudos to him.
Given how easily he let her take off, I bet he has an entirely different outlook than she does as far as the depth of the relationship and this story in general. I bet she's a colossal pain in the ass and he's happy to see her go, on top of not giving a shit. Or he spotted her for the gold digging whore she is, and only kept her around for funsies, which is why he's not going out of his way to tell her about his money or take her out on any kind of special vacations or whatever else.
being frugal is like being a 'prepper'
once you get into the mindset of having a big stash of cash..you just want more
I agree, my wife and I wasted so much money going out to eat. I got sick of it and we just started doing days where we wouldn't spend money. Now that it is a habit we just don't spend money on shit unless we have too. We have saved a good amount just focusing on being frugal.
nice. honestly man..i used to be all pissy and think man i wish all these hot chicks would show me attention but after talking to quite a few of them, 95% of them are liabilities. they have debt, no careers and even if they do have good jobs...DEBT. they want some rich guy to take them around and pay for all their shit
I agree bro, my wife recently said that she wanted a bigger house. We could afford it but it would make money really tight. I just finished my MBA and going for my PMP so I can make more money. I asked her if she plans on looking for a higher paying job. She said no because she loves her job so basically said I have to make more money if we want a bigger place. I told her that we aren't upgrading if she isn't willing to find a job that makes more money too because that's BS. Shes totally agreed, gave her the option to pick the job or a bigger house. She loves her job and i'm totally cool with that.
So many guys will put all the risk on themselves and just work themselves to death when their wife isn't willing to work harder for the shit she wants. Being a doormat just creates weak minded men who lose everything and hate life. OP's story showed a guy who kept his hand guarded and when his girl showed her true colors he didn't look back.
Oh boy this is true. Hoarding money like water and dried food. We took Dave Ramsey's course before we got married.
(And btw, anyone who does decide to get married, go take your woman to one of these classes and see how she reacts. If she's resistant, you seriously want to reconsider your choices. Pre-marriage counseling is pointless bullshit. Financial management counseling will change your entire life and totally free up the divide on how you communicate about and think of money.) So to start off, we paid off our debt and built a little emergency fund to cover us for a few months.
Now we're paying cash for cars (and everything else, fuck credit cards), slowly increasing our retirement contributions, and working on bulking up our emergency fund into a full blown "fuck you money" fund that would allow both of us to take a year off if we wanted. In reality, I'll take conservative chunks of it and put it in the market and put it to work while we both kill it at work and make even more to throw in the pot.
The only debt is the house (in one of the fastest growing neighborhoods in the country) and in about a year I'm going to start a "pay the house off early" set of mutual funds so in 10-15 years we can own everything we have, free and clear, with plenty of cash to throw around and (fingers crossed) retire a little early.
Just a few years ago, we were both terrible with our money and both in debt. Now we are in better financial shape than 90-something percent of the population. All our friends are in debt and we're taking long vacations paid for with cash and coming back barely even noticing a financial dent. Doing money right is addictive.
word yea dude. i buy everything in cash
I know many wealthy new-money people like this, millionaires haggling for a dime at the bagel counter, and I understand. It's not about valuing your money, or being afraid to lose it. It's about how self-perceived overspending would make you feel, however small.
People build a self-identity growing up, and their emotional reactions come from that, even if their socioeconomic status changes drastically later in life.
Maybe this guy deeply despised rich people flaunting their status before he came into money himself, or was raised in relative hardship and took pride and satisfaction in every effort to be frugal. Something like that's not going to change easily. He might not even be able to comfortably spend it on stuff he actually enjoys (studio, guitar, etc.) because part of him will still feel guilt over it.
Only 7? Will's got DECADES of trim ahead of him
Dating him while she believed him penniless doesn't prove that she's not a gold-digger, but breaking up with him because he is penniless proves that she is.
She doesn't seem like a terrible girl. I mean, I'm honest about needing a girl who isn't a hambeast, a girl who takes care of herself, goes to the gym, etc... I honestly don't mind if a girl is honest about wanting a guy who has some ambition (read: money).
I've been in the community for a while, and I have always thought it strange that there are a lot of guys in it who get pissed at girls like this... but then complain about the whores who sleep around. Pick one. Girls who stick with one guy HAVE to care about their future, I mean, think about it. She obviously likes the guy, went out with him for longer than I've been with most girls at one time... the guy gave her no reason to think he'll be able to care for her in the long run. Girls think about that shit, just like I look at a girl's mother to see what she'll look like down the line when I'm considering any type of long term relationship. Girls are hard wired to want a guy who isn't an ambitious-less loser the same way guys are hard-wired to want a girl who looks young and hot. I don't see a thing wrong with this girl.
If you were with a girl who was great, except she was a bit too fat, and didn't seem to care about it, you'd get pissed. You might break up with her. And then, if you did... and you found out she was working out after you broke up... you'd be like "why didn't you just tell me that".
Re-read the post. She said 10 months. Together for 10 months. If she said they were together for 2-4 years it would be justified.
Does this belong here or in oddlysatisfying?
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This is gold. Will is my hero. Good man, save your money.
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y'know, the only thing a woman seems to hate more than settling for a beta is realizing she missed out on something huge like this Oil Tycoon
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I was as well, not trying to come off "assholish", but the original post reads like a man wrote it.
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Well, apparently she would have not dumped him if she knew he was loaded so there goes her theory of wanting a man with 'ambition'.
There are a lot of ambitious broke guys too. The two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.
I would agree, if she made any mention on the post about his ambitions... Or if she didn't cry foul after his breakup (because it wasn't about the money, but ambition right?)
you don't cry it's about ambition, then wonder why he won't take you back when you find out he has money
This is it. She didn't say "I wanted financial security if something went wrong" or even "I wanted a different, more ambitious lifestyle than he offered". She asked why he wasn't spending his money on treating her, and dumped him after seeing a friend on Facebook by a third house. After all that, she would have stayed just knowing about the money, even though his behavior wasn't going to change.
There's nothing wrong with dumping the ramen-eating burnout, and I don't choose to live like Will. But none of that is the same as this behavior.
Yup women have a need to be provided for.But she was just using him, she was the epitome of a modern woman.
When do you think was the moment she started blowing up his phone, before or after she found out he was loaded?
But she even said this herself, she was being pragmatic, she didnt really view him as a human, nor a lover, more of means to an end to her own selfishness. You do not pass go, you do not get to collect 200 dollars, thanks for playing bitch, you lose.
You are right, and many comments and posts in this sub are written by men who lack anything women want, and try to make themselves feel better by calling everything "red pilly".
However...
This particular post is about a woman who claimed she broke up because the guy lacked ambition. Now she's having second thoughts when she realizes he has money. He doesn't have any more ambitions now than he had then, so ambitions aren't really the issue here. She wants money.
What about all the comments by the men who go on said sub-reddit to generalize and judge others on here as ugly trolls, but who themselves are alphas who are desired by all women?
What is it like being so handsome and desired /u/MrOaiki/? Please tell us.
Did you bother reading the entire post before dusting off those cheeto fingers to type your rant?
Re-read the post. This woman was golddigger af. Theres nothing in there where she said SHE paid for them to go out, or SHE paid for them to go on a vacation, etc - she just bitched and pouted the entire time. If she had showed her man she was willing to work more hours at work, wear cheaper clothes, etc, and then use that money on him - he may have stepped in, revealed the truth, and took over paying from there, after she proved herself. She didnt.
Keep fighting the good fight against your own kind, though. Assuming you even are one of us and not just some part-timer or plant/agent with your own agenda.
This is the key. She could have presented more strongly "I would like to do these things, and I have a bit of money, so we'll do some of these things with what i can afford, and I want us to be ambitious so we can do more of the things we love" -- but there is no sign of her doing that. However, at the same time it did sound like he was a loaf -- he may have been too passive about their future together. Few women want to have to plan everything on their own, especially if he was really ambivalent about it all.
In the end I'd say they both made mistakes -- so ultimately it just means they're not compatible.
"A woman wanting a man who isn't a fucking loaf doesn't make her a gold digger..."
I agree with this completely. She did the right thing by breaking up with him because she considered him a 'loaf'. If she would have stopped at that this would not be a story nor would we be discussing this at all.
But her complaining about his 'not being forthcoming' regarding his money doesn't change the fact that he is a LOAF. If the fact that he has money changed her perspective from one of disdain to acceptance, then she is a hypocrite. Nothing else about him changed except his net worth. He is still the same personality-wise.
It seems to me she made the right choice in dumping him, because his goals were definitely not compatible with hers. It just sounds to me like she would have been willing to change her goals and values for the sake of his money.
right. he wouldn't have spent the money on her anyway, so what good is simply knowing about the money? she would still be miserable and jealous of her friends .
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Only flak I can come up with is you don't own it and forever paying. But you get certain stuff free and maintenance so it's not like a money sink.
His purported lack of ambition was not the problem as she herself revealed when she regretted breaking up with him after finding out about his wealth.
Also, note the total lack of mention what she brought to the relationship; smart men calibrate their output to what a woman offers. If all she brought was the typical vagina and expectations, then he was right to be meager in his response.
Dude has his bills paid and investments made to ensure they stay that way, and his own home and car. Her expectations of more on her schedule reeked of entitlement to glitz and glamour.
I downvoted this post.
"Will" in the story is clearly managing a portfolio of investment properties of high interest to the energy sector. That is a position requiring significant experience with the industry, sophistication to understand complex leasing agreements and mental stability to not squander or plunder the underlying asset.
To put it another way, if someone was applying for the position as a paid career, they would be expected to possess high-quality legal and professional credentials, trustworthiness with large sums of money and a substantial appetite for work.
Both the original TwoX OP and yourself are clearly ignorant of this, which is something I have come to expect from a contemporary American hamster, but a shocking failure of imagination in a poster to the Pill.
"I dated him for 10 months when I thought he was penniless, proof I'm not a fucking gold-digger."
i don't see the flaw in this logic, to be honest. this girl doesn't seem too greedy in my opinion. yes, him beeing penniless was a reason for her to not plan her future with him, but this is a reasonable course of action if you want to provide for kids.
she spent the time with him, thinking he was poor. obviously he was not just a beta provider to her.
i agree with most red pill guidelines, but this is not a perfect example for AWALT.
Having money doesn't change the fact that he "lacks ambition". It might justify it (I wouldn't work either if I was set up for life) but it doesnt' negate it.
If that was really the reason to break up with him, why is she sore? why is she upset? The guy is still ambitionless, the only difference is he's a loaded ambitionless guy. She's rationalizing (aka "hamstering").
I'll have to agree to other posters here, I believe he was putting her to a test. She failed it.
Different strokes for different folks I suppose. If this guy is happy playing his guitar for some side money because he's set for life, is that a bad thing? Maybe he just wants a simple life. If I won the lottery and didn't have to work for the rest of my life, I would just hit the gym, go travelling once in a while, pick up some random hobby, make some safe investments, and relax for the rest of my life. Some people would invest the money in a business and try to make more money. That's also up to them.
That's too literal a reading of that statement. "Ambition" translates to "will eventually be rich." Because if your ambition is to be the world's greatest jazz butt flutist...she'll still leave you because there's no money in it.
Re-read the post. She felt like her life was going nowhere because she saw her friends on Facebook buying homes, and she felt inadequate by comparison.
His "lack of ambition" (i.e. his lack of money and inability to provide a competitive lifestyle) was relevant to her decision to break up with him. This is classic gold-digging.
Precisely.
If she just wanted a house, she could have done what men who want houses do: earn, save, invest, research, and buy.
But she wanted to know that he was "ambitious" enough to buy her a house.
Thats the thing about Facebook, it just amplifies women's hypergamy and narricism even further.
It's why the millennials are a much more shitty generation than the one just before it (more beta men and more slutty women). They were the first to grow up around social media. The generation after will just have these shitty values passed down to them by their own parents PLUS from social media even better at developing narcissism.
The sheer success of companies like Facebook just prove it - the world's going to burn, best to just sit back and enjoy it.
I think this IS a perfect example of AWALT. Too many guys on TRP think that women are villains for seeking out providers, when that is what they are programmed to do. Supply and demand differences between sperm and eggs are quite glaring, and women naturally seek out the best deal they can so that they and their young are provided for.
I think she was somewhat shallow about it, considering that she did a lot of assuming rather than trying to sit down and communicate with him. The fact that she stuck around for 10 months simply means she was lazy or comfortable (or more than likely a 5 or a 6 without too many prospects). If she gently probed, then stated what her relationship goals were, and he was evasive, then she couldn't be blamed for ending it. I once dated an extreme cheapskate, and it was sometimes embarrassing to be around her in social settings.
... she dumped him even though she "loved" him. now she wants him back because she realizes that his money make him even more lovable.
how is this not AWALT?
Just because it lasted 10 months or she (in her version, we only read that version) didn't ask him for nothing, it's all the same.
She dated him when she thought he was penniless, but broke up when she realized he probably will stay penniless.
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true. but still, there are girls out there who are far far worse than this one. in fact, i think most girls are.
this is low grade AWALT, sure.
Still is the optimum outcome for OP.
There is no way this is going to work if you want traditional roles in the family.
I think she just wanted someone who could pull his own weight, especially if she wanted to have kids and stay at home taking care of them.
well, she did mention how nice her apartment was, and her money that she always had to spend on him...
Damn, she was buyin HIM shit? This dude was a pimp.
She didn't mention any of it. In fact her entire story and comments after were strictly consumer only, never producer
That was facetious
Her reason for breaking up and post breakup analysis shows awalt
Nobody here is faulting her for breaking up with him; that is standard AWALT behavior. Women expect your resources, all of them are like that.
Did we read the same fucking post? Or are you dense?
He lives IN A HOUSE, by himself. How does someone who is "penniless" afford that? This woman is stupid af but apparently some people on this forum are dumb af as well.
She left him explicitly because he wasn't a beta provider for her. It's not overtly gold-digging as we've come to understand, but it's definetly resource-oriented. Which is the normal course for women. She just fucked up by trying to claim that wasn't what was going on to make her self look better.
I concur. Some women are gold diggers, but not all. If she didn't feel some legitimate attraction to him, she would not have dated him, thinking he was poor for 10 mos.
It seems the problem is more the rate his level of commitment was escalating at rather than the money itself. At least from what I can tell. But then I read a user's summary in the comments rather than OP as I refuse to read a 30 line paragraph, that shit is absurd and needs formatting. Due to formatting alone I'm surprised to see this thread anywhere near as upvoted and commented upon as it is. For some reason you motherfuckers persevered with this shit when much better threads get ignored so hard you'd think they had AIDS. Nevertheless, I digress.
She's been netflixing with a guy for 10 months, he's obviously happy where it's at and felt no rush to upgrade his level of commitment. He's rich on the down low, I get it. She was cool with it too.
Then she went on Facebook and compared herself to the married friend who's just got a new house. People are saying because she said it was their 3rd house that this was a money thing, but I think that misses the point. It's all about "upgrading commitment" with women - that's their end-game. Why? Women are nest builders, they want babies and money to look after 'em. So a third house to this chick translated as "oh wow they're married and have two houses and now they're getting a third, all we do is watch netflix!"
She compared a relatively short relationship to a marriage and got utterly depressed over the level of commitment she's [not] getting. She envies her friend's nest, being 26 and having early wall anxiety "she's looking to settle" and now with girl logic "feels like she just wasted 10 months." Result? Dumped her guy, now looking for a guy who will escalate commitment quicker. Last guy was going too slow for her.
She thought the relationship was going nowhere because the commitment wasn't upgrading quick enough. That's all I see here. I don't see any gold digging here. She didn't know the dude was rich. She found out AFTER trying to get back with him he was rich (inadvertently from a friend.) So what does logic conclude? Not a gold digger, just a text book insecure basic bitch.
In case you don't understand the severity of that in girl world, translating it to our perspective it's like you're in a relationship where you fuck once a month with your girl and she's never in the mood past stale perfunctory monthly sex, but every time you talk to your friend about sex he says he gets it from his girl 3 times a day 4 or 5 days a week. You'd think "fuck this, I need a girl who will fuck me more." Well this chick did the girl world equivalent. Remember, men trade commitment, women trade sex.
The fact she was texting him and "even called him" before his friends told her that he was rich suggests she realised she'd been an emotional idiot. On the flip side, breaking up could have been an ultimatum/shit test to extract more commitment out of him, only for it to backfire when he handled it like a stoic boss.
People who've followed me around these past years know I rarely bat for team women on anything because normally they're in the fucking wrong. But from the material facts present here, concluding gold digger seems like a fucking stretch. If guys have hate and resentment for bitches I 100% get it because shit is fucked up, but trying to see shit that isn't there is begging the question IMO.
Dumb bitch? Yes. Gold digger? Not really. Don't see shit where it isn't present.
I would say this is surprising and shocking...but its not
that's typically less than 1% of people...
Will dodged a bullet!
Damn, I wish I could be as stone-cold as Will.
I've had women knowing that I'm not short for money date me on that exact premise. Simply only because I have money.
I thought I could plate them but half of plating stems from mystery. When they know that I'm a good bet, everything else goes out the window.
I still had my fun though. They tried the whole making me wait for sex thing and only certain amounts. Most of that I battled down pretty quickly and when I dumped them I told them it was because I knew they only wanted me for my bank account. The distraught cries on the phone from one of them was laughable. She even asked me something like, "Well... how much do you have then" like she wanted to know what she lost out on... it was pathetic.
On that same scale though I do kinda see that if he saw her in his future, sure keep the oil baron stuff secret, but if she had obviously made a point of mentioning career aspirations and future support, depending on how she would phrase it, it's not an unreasonable thing to bring up if she was considering him for the long haul and vice versa. It strikes me that maybe he was a little TOOO hard and not enough comfort displayed.
But besides that, totally fake story. I mean, she found out days after about his oil baron status. I would rather suppose that she most likely would have heard about a rather large thing like that weeks into a relationship even if not from him rather than after...
I have a confession to make, a similar thing happened to me, but I was not wise like Will. (This appeared on r:all and I subscribed in order to reply, but I am ignorant of TRP so please be gentle.) I was in a relationship with a woman who was always hinting at her desire to become monetarily successful or to be "rescued" financially, and wanting to move our relationship along. I am a very religious man, and after a bad breakup, I had become obsessed with trying to find someone likeminded in religion and in compassion for others. As happened with Will, this girl became very frustrated with me, and she eventually decided to dump me in a promenade fashion- she wore her prettiest dress, and went out of her way to let me know what I was hypothetically missing.
However, I must confess that I had really been messing with her mind without realizing it. On one occasion I had let slip what kind of woman I was looking for without realizing it. Shortly afterward, we were at McDonald's after doing some charity construction work, and an absolutely wretched crackhead woman panhandled us. This poor creature's hair was matted and she reeked of urine. I don't know why, but I told my girl to give this crackhead a hug, and she actually did it.
At the time I thought this meant she was the one for me. But apparently this was just something she did to prove herself to me. After she got fed up and dumped me, we continued to email each other. But I moved on and met someone very casual toward religion, and we got married. When this girl found out, she stopped emailing me or having anything to do with me. To this day she still won't friend me on Facebook.
I don't know if I could be said to have had the last laugh, but I chuckle at my own naiveity just as much as at how I got her to hug a pisscovered crack junkie thinking it would get me on her leash.
My only critique, even though it turns out this chick is a complete and utter hypocrite, is that dude there didn't show much in the way of ambition. I get that he didn't have to, and is well within his right not to, but when you're with somebody and things feel like they've reached a dead end with no hint in sight... Part of the blame does fall on you. I fully support him keeping that shit under lock and key until he knew her true colours, I'd just say that next time he oughta at least act like things are on the up and up. Doesn't have to be a super rich guy, just a "I'm making slightly more than others" type deal.
Funny shit and very typical. A girl broke up with me once claiming I wasn't her type and she felt like I lacked all kinds of qualities. Never bothered to get to know me.
Eventually she looked me up and found out I hid all kinds of stuff from her due to her sporadic crazy behavior, my busy schedule and a back injury that held me back athletically. Turns out I'm exactly her type and everything she ever looked for- she desperately attempted to reconnect with me. Told her no and that it wasn't my problem- life turned out better this way. Hamster had to spin really hard.
The thing that is most glaring to me is when she says she is jelly of her friends buying shit, she does not say OK here is my plan for me to get us resources to buy shit, she just expects him to do it all for her.
That is my thinking as well. She isn't that terrible. AWALT, of course, but really, wondering about the future isn't that big a deal. I wouldn't be happy with someone who is not oriented for future success and I enjoy reasonable luxuries. I'm not committed to living in poverty.
But it sounds like she just wants to ride him and there is no info about her being good mother material so all in all it's a pretty happy story about a cool dude.
No kidding, bro has the opportunity to check out of the game and live with complete freedom. Meanwhile, all she wants to do is saddle him with shit to worry about...
First off, there's nothing wrong with a woman dumping a guy who appears to barely be able to support himself and doesn't want to change.
A woman raising a family has the right to expect the guy to support that family for the first 2-5 years.
On the other hand, if you have money, you have to hide it because women belive you should spend every dime immediately. And that makes them believe all men are spending everything they make.
He just wasn't into her or he might have let on that he wasn't spending every cent like she would have.
no, on every level.
It's not wrong or right, it's two people using their own sexual strategies. She came out on the bottom on this one. I'm sure he only hid obvious things. Chances are if he's cooking at home, it was probably his home, and cookware would have been nice.
I doubt he would have bought cheap shit and rented a cheap place, he just didn't have bling, or want to spend.
He was into her, and was comfortable. Having said that, chances are she would have been his house princess anyways after a time.
You're being ridiculous. A woman raising a family needs to be practical: Can the guy get us through the first 3-5 years on his own. Although it's possible for the woman to go back to work in between having kids, you never know whether the economy will allow it. She has no choice but to tie her economic security to his prospects, at least for a time.
I had a (now ex) girlfriend do it right. She sat me down after 3 years and said she wanted to see a budget of how we'd live if we got married, had two kids and she didn't work until they were in school, because child care wasn't that much better financially with two kids.
I was earning standard post college money (i.e. I was nothing special) and when I went to work out a budget, she was right. We couldn't afford two kids.
So I put together a plan to go back to school to get a degree that would pay enough to meet the minimum budget, studied for the entrance exam, got a top score on that exam, got into a top school for that field using that score, graduated near the top of my class, got a job that would finally allow us to buy a house in a decent neighborhood and raise two kids on my salary.
At which point I dumped her! Ha ha, I could now do better than her, so there wasn't any need to stick around. My SMV went way up because of that income and I didn't need her any more. She of course was livid, but she had done literally nothing to support me in any of it, just waited around to attach herself to my rising star, so I didn't exactly feel too bad about it.
But she did have a point in the first place. If I couldn't support a family, she really had no business marrying me if that's what she wanted.
I never looked back, of course. Dumping her was the smartest thing I could have done. But she did kick my ass into improving myself, and for that, I will always be grateful.
Never get married, kids.
We aren't disagreeing. I don't think it wrong of a woman to go for their optimal strategy... In this case, the guy won. good for him.
And maybe your story is missing details, but it reads as "that'll show her" which I don't agree with. It works for you, so I can't judge.
You saw a point to developing your status and quality as a man, and reaped the benefit. Good for you, OP did the same. And like you said, it gives no guarantee that a set of tits with an agenda gets a seat at the table when you do.
I agree with you. Sort of a dickish thing to do.
Is what it is.
If your dad beat you growing up, and you refused to do that to your kids, he taught you a valuable lesson. He doesn't get a thanks for it though
Right, because women can't open savings accounts, CDs, money market, etc.
When will this torment end for the fair sex?
He was weeding out insecure and materialistic women. She got weeded.
Sounds like the guy won the breakup.
She seriously doesn't see anything wrong with the fact she compared her relationship to others on fucking Facebook - an already edited polished version of a relationship.
Stupid bitch compares her relationship to that of her HIGH SCHOOL COLLEAGUE.
Comparison is the theft of joy; AWALT. Jesus Christ..
Thanks, this post never gets old.
There are different kinds of people. Some people, men and women, like to live the "Facebook achiever" lifestyle. Some people like to live a more casual lifestyle. Will and this lady are at different places on this spectrum, so it's good that they broke up. I'm sure she will find a guy who wants to post pictures of house, car, vacations, kids, etc. to rub his ex-girlfriends' noses in it; plenty of them exist, too.
I fucking LOL'd multiple times reading this. If this is true, that dude is a goddamned RP icon.
I honestly don't see a lot wrong with expecting someone to continually work towards a goal to better oneself. Fact is if she knew he had the money and he still didnt spend it on her she would never have been happy anyways.
This hits home for me very much. Recently, I had a 3 year spout with an LTR where this was a situation. Basically, I got injured and wasn't cleared to work despite having two jobs waiting for my return. It put me in a tough spot financially for a moment.I had a large sum of money from a prior investment and out of fear of using it for living expenses- I put about 50 K away in an annuity so I can't touch it. I never really led on to what or how much I had but this chick would constantly try to shit on me for it to her family, coworkers and friends- seriously over-inflating the issues despite me positioning myself with a home, owning all 3 cars of mine(67 SS Camaro, 01' VW VR6 GTI and a BMW) and being pretty financially knowledgable as far as budget and making appropriate financial sacrifices that set me up big picture wise.
I was in a bad cash flow situation but that was seemingly temporary and she was a complete cunt about it- basically treating me like a complete piece of shit despite me being a go-getter. Funny thing is, within this past year- I'm about to Blow up(Promising salary with opportunity to move up). A situation I had always insisted would happen but it was a matter of a specific financial plan maturating at the right moment. She never believed in me.
It was probably the weirdest, most difficult three years of my entire life. It was like an episode of the Twilight zone with how fucking strange the whole event was.
But.
Now I'm laughing my ass off to the bank!
Hamster gon' Hamster, AWALT.
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Here's the whole problem in a nutshell. If you describe them as accolades then you're only worried about what others think about these milestones. You can call them achievements, milestones, goals, etc but when you call them accolades you reveal yourself as too concerned with external opinions.
I think everyone is missing the fucking nail in the coffin here.
She has exposed herself irrevocably. See... she says she isn't a gold digger. She stayed with the guy and then hypergamy reared it's ugly head. Basically it wasn't important until you saw what your friends had. So the 10 month argument is completely irrelevant.
She blames breaking up with him on "ambition" but this is bullshit. How do we know it's bullshit? It takes ZERO ambition to get an inheritance! His ambition didn't change in between the time you broke up and wanted him back. But knowledge of his inheritance did, hence the following comments:
Another case of don't listen to what a woman says. Watch how she acts and read between the lines. AWALT, bitches are out for your resources.
tl;dr you broke up with him because of money, and you wanted him back because of money. Pretty open and shut case. Ambition doesn't equal "I got an inheritance"
If you read the entire thing, the woman didn't do anything wrong
TLDR
She liked a guy around her age. She didn't mind him being poor and frugal. After a while of prodding he told her he had no career goals and no vision of the future.
After considering what kind of future she would have with such a person, she decided the relationship is not going to work, and she ended it.
Let me break this to you: this dude is not alpha. He's just aloof and frugal. He got his "wealth" mostly by accident.
The girl was delusional to stay with all that time anyway.
Her confusion is not because she missed on the money. It's because she's been dating a guy for 10 months and he was hiding things from her the whole time. It seemed like the whole thing was a big fat lie (to her).
Basically, stop hamstering everything you read into AWALT
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Her reasons for the breakup are perfectly valid. He didn't change, he was still the same aloof unambitious guy after the breakup but she did a 180 only after finding out about the money. Gold-digging if I ever saw it.
AWALT.
This seems like it is written from the perspective of Will:
Odd way to write about it if it happened to you.
I just love stories with a happy ending
"Proof I'm not a gold digger." Right after breaking up with him because she wanted to be like the girl buying her third house. Excellent.
I'm honestly a bit torn on this. On one hand, I get that women don't want a bum. Just like they don't want some fat guy, or a socially awkward guy. They want someone that's confident, has shit going for him, and is financial independent/somewhat comfortable (doesn't have to be ballin). FB resume comparison shit aside, I feel like she just wanted to know the guy wasn't a bum. On the other hand, most women are all about "take me for who I am, otherwise you're a shallow asshole, that can't overlook my shortcomings... even though I see you as a do nothing bro. (Double standard)."
"He wasn't money/career motivated". Epic rationalising her gold-digging.
From her point of view, it sounds like Will had nothing going on in his life and seemed content being poor at almost 30. Women like men with shit going on and goals - even if it's something stupid like wanting to be a rockstar instead of just sitting around and playing the guitar.
She's not that much of a gold digger for wanting more.
However, fair play to him and I would act similarly in that situation.
I'm going to go against the grain here. This chick isn't a gold digger. Gold digger is a term that we should reserve for a particular type of women, not just use it for all women. A gold digger is someone that will only date someone with money, and the money is the only qualification that he needs to have. She is the 25 year old that marries a 70 year old billionaire. This chick just wants security like all other women. An analogy would be a guy who just dates for looks. There are plenty of guys out there where attractiveness is the only quality they look for. I'd much rather go out with a 7 that was fun, witty, and smart than a 9 who thinks girl scouts bake their own cookies (actual statement). Sure, looks are important to men, but that's not the only quality that most look for in a woman.
This guy didn't want to date her, he was just too lazy to break up with her. He never showed her any indication that her future would be secure if she stayed with him, so why the hell would she stay? If I were dating a girl that was eating potato chips and ice cream for dinner every night, made excuses instead of going to the gym, and wanted to watch netflix over doing anything remotely physical, why would I not want to break up with her regardless of how nice she was? Now a couple weeks later I find out that she has dropped the weight, is working out every day, and going hiking with her friends. My reaction would probably be, why couldn't she have done this while we were still dating.
IMO, this guy sounds like a loser with a lot of money. He doesn't own any nice clothes and chooses to sit around the house playing his guitar and watching netflix. He sounds like a man child. What I wouldn't give to have the kind of financial freedom to actually do what I want to do. If I did have that, I'd start a business, charity, or spend my time traveling the world, definitely not sitting around the house doing nothing.
I agree with everything until the last paragraph
The guys not a loser for wanting to sit around and play guitar.
Not everyone wants to start a business or charity or whatever. Some people want simple lives.
When it's a guy who lives in a cabin on a mountain people like yourself rarely judge cause that's "cool" and "adventurous"
But if it's a guy who lives in a normal place who just wants to mess around with his hobbies, suddenly he's a loser? Na.
If I were rich I'd be making movies and traveling, but if I wanted to just sit around and Netflix and learn to draw or something, why should you judge?
It's called financial freedom for a reason, as in I now have the freedom to do whatever I want including nothing important.
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They give a whole new meaning to anger phase.
Sweet story. The male equivalent of a slut lying about her dick count and getting away with it.
Haha. Actually, it's more like a woman pretending to be a slut, and then her boyfriend finding out she was actually a virgin after breaking up with her.
OK, you guys need to get a hold on yourselves. Just because this girl wants to get married, have kids, and a normal, middle class life does not make her a fucking gold digger. A gold digger would never have given this guy the time of day.
Also, if this story is even true (kinda sounds like bullshit, either the whole thing or him having money), he sounds like a couple of guys I've known who were pathologically cheap. They could have a billion dollars and never spend a dime. Believe me, they're not fun to be around, let alone be tied to for life. It's just a form of anxiety and extreme scarcity mentality. You know, the same scarcity mentality people on here tell you to avoid.
What happens when they're in relationships is that they guilt you for spending money, even when it's reasonable and you were the one that made it.
And the fact that he just kicked her to the curb without a word and never called her means that he either got super anxious about the whole thing, or he plated her, which is fine if the girl knows she's a plate.
Honestly, he sounds like a bum. Just because he inherited money from an ancestor who wasn't a bum doesn't change that.
Lol, we were just talking about this yesterday.
It's a pretty good example of a sigma. TBH, like the "general" in dark triad, I like it much better
I probably would have given up too. Having money and ambition are sometimes mutually exclusive.
I re-read this from time to time just to get a good kick.
So different goals and lifestyle leads to breakup, which is nothing new. Even if she had known, it would probably drive her crazy he was sitting on a bunch of cash and not spending it. She obviously wanted some validation from her friends by being seen buying shit and being "successful".
He sounds like a nice guy to me. What's wrong with potato soup and a good documentary? She's judging him based on the shit they have on tv about going for expensive diners and crap.
She ALWAYS would've had a roof over her head. She ALWAYS would've had food in her belly. She obviously IS a gold digger and had been weeded out. Now she'll find a man who will give her the luxuries she craves. By doing so, she will live a life of debt and uncertain futures of housing, food, and health.
I read this the first time around. Have had time to think about it and imo, she didn't do much wrong.
Fact 1: She liked the guy: Enough to stay 10 months.
Fact 2: He is a loaf. Reinforces Fact 1.
Fact 3: She was 25 when they met: Biological clock. Tick tick tick.
Fact 4: He stonewalled her wrt 'Where is this going' aka babies.
Fact 5: She bailed.
Fact 6: She learns that he is rich, she wants to communicate with him. He doesn't.
I can see her point. She wanted babies with this guy. He was (unknown to her) able to provide for those babies. To use an RP analogy, Women are the gatekeepers of sex. She only gives gives you plain vanilla starfish sex. You break up. Then you learn that she is giving head, offering anal and whatever else to every new boyfriend. What gives? The feminine side of you wants to know why.
If we do not blame a fish for swimming in water, why are we blaming a woman for acting like a woman?
He wanted you to like him for his personality, not for what's material.
There is a lot of hate coming towards her which is fairly unjustified. Let's think about it the other way. You are a career man and there is a girl you are thinking about LTR'ing. Then you realize that she's broke, lazy, unambitious, etc. Would you LTR her? You shouldn't, yet when this girl sees a basically worthless man and leaves and you all yell hypergamy.
That's not to say that there aren't obvious red pill principles here, but I'm convinced that the majority of the people in the comments are still in the anger phase ready to find any excuse to be angered by women.
How is this hamstering? Of course she dumped him. He passed himself off as a scrub. Sure he was attractive, but that doesn't mean shit.
Had he actually turned out to be broke, you all would have called her a dumbass for not breaking up with him sooner. Now all of a sudden she's a dumbass for not staying with him????
We all know how the game works. Be attractive. Be successful. Otherwise, you aren't worth the investment of time and resources. If a bitch wastes her time with a scrub, then she's an idiot. She made the right decision. Her problem is that she is dwelling on it. The opportunity is gone. Let it go. You aren't psychic. No one is to blame here.
Thats one of the vices of being rich. If you're honest, you can't tell if the woman likes you or your money. If you lie, you risk coming off as a broke scrub.
"If a man with disposable income meets a woman he likes, doesn't he want to treat her?" Sounds like treating someone to her includes cash and gifts. Also, how about if you like him so much that YOU treat him once in awhile?
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Good story but I feel like many of you congratulating Will for "testing" this girl are a little mislead.
When I read this (and compare it to my own lifestyle and people I know and other stories I've heard) I get the impression that this isn't a "test" at all. It's simply the way he lives.
If it were actually a test, that would imply that if she passed the test, he would suddenly stop pretending to be broke and he would start living large and she would be rewarded by getting to share in the lavish lifestyle his wealth allows
But it sounds more like he's the type of guy who is simply never going to spend that money unless he has to. And never on anything lavish
His friends quote was a great indicator. There are a lot of rich people out there like this, who live frugally, which is why we occasionally get these "man who died living in a trailer park was a secret millionaire!" Stories
So let's not get it twisted, it's not like she missed out on some big reward and would've gotten what she wanted if she had not been a gold digger But instead she would've probably been in for a life of cheap food and torrented movies had she stuck with this guy cause that's just the way he was.
Let's also be clear that's there's nothing wrong with a man or woman wanting nice things. I personally prefer a smaller house, but if a man/woman wants a nice house or a nice car, there's nothing wrong with that
The problem is when someone tries to get those things from someone else like a child instead of going out and earning them themselves
I say this cause I get this feeling that redpill is too often like "oh she wants nice things. Dumb whore."
Wanting nice things isn't bad, wanting a man to give you nice things just for fucking him, that's what's bad.
I totally understand that not many women are going to like my lifestyle. I'm low key. I'm a lot like will. I'd prefer to sit at home and listen to podcasts and watch Netflix.
I don't need to go out , I don't need to do hardly anything and that's going to bore the shit out of a lot of people
Heck even i occasionally want some nice food or a gadget or to travel but I weigh what it would take to get that vs enjoying my simple life style and usually the latter wins
I wouldn't consider a woman a gold digger for wanting nicer things, I would consider a woman a gold digger for expecting to get those things from me.
I feel like a woman should go out and earn her own nice things , and that type of woman probably will want to be with a man who also earns nice things so they can enjoy their interests and share experiences together
She's not gonna want to carry me and show me nice things if I'm not willing to earn it
And men shouldn't be willing to show women nice things if the woman isn't willing to earn it
lol stupid girl thinks she wants to live poor is she isn't actually poor, lol that was great
One lesson from my recent foray into the dating market. Anything at all that suggests good father or husband traits, like cooking = instant shutdown. You're either a Chad (teenage assclown) or a mark (30 year old virgin senior software engineer). Must be polarized strongly in either direction. Anything else just confuses them.
this reads like a revenge fantasy.
not saying these things don't happen, but everything just falls a bit too perfect here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEFjRrR3CQ4
Not sure this story passes the sniff test. I can't imagine telling someone's good friend, at the gym no less, that you dumped them because they were a pauper. Can you link to the original story?
I gotta say it seems like Facebook had a hand in her hypergamous break up. If she lived in a small village without Internet and wasn't gawking over all her feed and what her friends were doing she would have no idea she was "missing out" on anything and would have likely appreciated Will and maybe even respected his frugality. Imagine how thrilled and excited she would have been if she humbly remained loyal and greatful as they joined in marriage and then had him open up about everything after the honeymoon. But she's a hypergamous ungrateful woman and she's comparing her man to every alpha on the web. This is the new environment that we find ourselves in and it's the environment for which we need to be prepared.
This guy sounds like he has aspergers. Flat responses about everything. Obviously a woman would rather be with a guy that has money. Good personality doesn't put food on the table.
I don't think you have to live your life like a scrooge to find a woman that values you.
I was thinking something along these lines as well, but what does she bring to the relationship other than her pussy? She just wants him to be richer so she can enjoy luxuries, but she herself is no more complicated than a sex toy.
Sounded like she wanted to start a family but knew it wasn't going to happen with a guy who was border line secretive with his work and looked broke on the surface.
Women love money just like we do, they just have alternate strategies of getting it. If your job isn't paying well you leave to find other options.
I don't get mad at women for wanting the best
Why do you make assumptions? She doesn't say anything to indicate any of that. She only says she is jealous of the riches of others. She is entirely material and not at all maternal.
It's actually worth checking out the original 2XC post with this one. Even the 2XC subscribers started giving OP shit and the mods deleted the majority of the responses.
Who does she think she is to determine someone else's income is disposable? I'm sure when his Grandpa willed those assets to him it wasn't with the idea he'd be wasting those funds on a gold digger.
wow.....just..wow. she dumped him because she was jealous of her friend who owned 3 properties...now she feels like she screwed up because he's actually rich.....but I'm not a gold digger. haha, ok bitch.
I just feel good because my gf love to watch animals and insects documentary
Potato soup and netflix. Good enough for my girlfriend.
Well, it has become increasingly harder to fuck Chad during the past few months. You saw your younger competition getting them instead of you and even if you boil down with rage, you realized that soon you won't be able to use your
great personnalityvagina to get money and favors from men anymore.You are looking for money. Not for someone you love. Proof is: you said you love him but you left anyway? So, you don't want someone you love. You want someone who has money.
Do men wants to "treat" (what an awful word) women they like? No. Men wants to be with the women (not woman) they like and spend time with them. We are the romantic. We don't need to spend big bucks on someone to feel love. Camping by a river, spending time together looking at the stars and doing funny shit like scaring her in the dark. In Will's case, playing his guitar and being with you without doing anything special or crazy beause being with you is enough. Men wants simple things but I doubt you can recognize the compliment it really is. Why in the world should a man who l ike you give you some of his money? Isn't it supposed to be about love? Aren't you supposed not to be a gold digger? Then why is it that all you ask for is money?
He wants you, you want his money. You don't care about him, and that's disrespectful. No wonder he doesn't want to talk to you anymore.
potato soup, netflix and chill, works every time brah
The thing that gets me in this story
Is the woman thinks 10 months is a long time
I fucking die every time
"WE DATED TEN MONTHS AND HE NEVER GAVE ME SHIT!!!!111"
Did anyone in that thread explain to her why she's a bit of a gold digging whore?
Awesome.
She doesn't know why this happened or why he didn't just tell her he had money.
The answer is simple. She didn't ask. She just said, "I'm breaking up with your and here are the reasons why."
She had already made her decision.
Had she said, "I'm in love with you and I want a future with you but I don't want to be penniless or to be the primary provider. How can I help you care more about finances and income?"
This implies she's willing to work with him and compromise.
But what she did but just unilaterally decide he wasn't worth the trouble. She expects him to be perfect the first time and then to provide her with his perfect life. The concept that they should build a life together and work together doesn't fit inside her worldview.
I also liked how he didn't hug her and then slammed the door. I cringe at the last time I broke it off with a girl. I was very polite and gave her a hug, but I wish I hadn't now. It's more satisfying to just send them packing. Especially when they've done something to deserve it.
One major clue that the gf is a status-obsessed creep (and that this guy dodged a bullet) is that she compares herself to her idiot friends on Facebook. What an ass -- she didn't even pretend to love the guy but stated that her big realization came after reading about a married friend purchasing a "third property." I love the protest that she gave him "ten months" (wow, must be love!) while of course judging him the entire time. Good for him that he was smart enough to test her motivations.
Also "accolades" equals having babies and buying properties and having some giant wedding?! This gf is the reason prenups exist. I am sure this guy is more than happy that she is out of his life.
Honestly I think this is reasonable. The dude acted like a cheap ass schlub. Turns out he was a rich, cheap-ass schlub who inherited tons of money and doesn't do much. Didn't give a shit when she broke up with him. Interesting character, that guy... I feel for her tbh. She is just confused as hell and I really dont blame her here at all for her actions or reactions. If it werent for girls wanting men to be successful, guys would do jack shit with their lives haha. I assume Ill get downvoted, but in the end I dont blame her for dumping him given his lack of apparent ambition, nor her confusion and hurt at his hidden life/ complete lack of caring when she dumped him.
I want to downvote you, but you make sense. I'm asking myself... may she just doesn't want to be with a "bum". Not all women are gold diggers, but they also don't want to be with a guy going nowhere/nothing going on.
haha. then why do you want to downvote me? Honestly the way I see it, like I mentioned, is that without women pushing men to be successful, we would do nothing. I feel like its part of evolution that women drive men. It's a good thing that they don't put up with scrubs. It's also a good thing for men, society and humanity that they are attracted to success (as well as looks yes,) but guys just want looks. It's a two-way street. Women have much less power to change themselves to be more attractive than men do, so we have it lucky. Just gotta work our asses off. Nothing about that woman's post says anything negative to me. She liked him, he showed no ambition and seemed like an unambitious slacker type, and she wanted something more serious and "adult" at her age, and dumped him. His reaction is strange, honestly. Not sure what type of guy he is.
Speak for yourself. This is the dumbest shit I have ever read here.
I think I want to downvote you, because the way she went about it, doesn't tie in with your explanation. She ASSUMED he was a do nothing bro. If she communicated, like healthy adults, in a healthy relationship... she would have received a better answer... and may have still been with him now. All it would have taken is "Hey, I like you a lot, and see a future here. I'm not harping, or talking down... but I want kids/fam/house etc. I'm not saying you should be the one to provide all that, but I'm uneasy in a partnership. Could you support that, with both of us working?" or something to that effect... not poking/prodding/being weak minded and letting FB trigger you... then dumping your guy.
roflmao. You definitely have a point. Second half of your post/ final sentence is spot on. Some people are not good at communicating things like this, "not poking/prodding/being weak minded and letting FB trigger you... then dumping your guy." heh the ol FB trigger...
I came from a somewhat affluent family, but they were quite conservative, so I eventually decided that, rather than be affiliated with causes I don't really find conscionable, I would just walk away, and make my own way in the world... By the time I had made that decision, I was already college-educated, and more than capable of making enough money to finance a simple lifestyle.
Problem is, most women, no matter how 'liberal' simply do not understand the concept of asceticism for ethical reasons. They just don't get it.
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That doesn't make anyone a shitty person, anymore than you reading about guys getting laid and wanting the same for yourself makes you a shitty person.
Haha, this is gold. Even in the end, she does not see the fault in herself, but in others.
Sure, lady. I'm sure you're not having regrets now...
Good riddance. Even a softie like myself could care less about a person who is not only not honest with others, but not honest with herself.
Welp, time for some mental gymnastics to make yourself seem like the good person here. I guess you mean by keeping your relationship alive, you mean having him as a meal ticket for life. And I wonder... did she really text him before she found out he had money, or after? I'm quite skeptical now :P
This guy is living his life on his terms and is not willing to change for nobody as simple as that.
She wants more than what he is offering so she breaks it off, it doesn't face it he knows better
My take: She is NOT a gold digger. She didn't date him for his money. She dated him for the feelz. He lacked visable ambition. Content to live a simple and carefree life. Fine. But she doesn't have to stick around to be with someone she feels is dead-end, simple and lacks drive of any kind.
But on the other hand she IS a greedy bitch. She finds out he's got money and suddenly she wants to reconnect. Seller's remorse.
I also think he was humble, but still had a IDGAF attitude. Probably some form of Alpha. But mostly just a regular guy with some extra money. I bet he has anxiety or depression issues. Or at least trust issues.
TL;DR - She was not wrong for wanting more out of life with her partner. She WAS wrong for trying to get back when she found out about the $. He needs to get his shit together. Get a decent newer car, decent clothes, do something more with his life.
Comming from a woman. What a fucking cunt. I feel so bad for guys now a days.
And after she broke up with him and found out he's loaded she wants him to take her back. That's gold-digger like behavior there.
She doesn't want to go back with him. She's confused because who she thought he was and who he actually was turned out completely different.
She thought he was a hippie who doesn't care about money and tries to live simply within his means. Has no future plans.
Turned out: he's a frugal (stingy?) dude with lots of money. He cares about money so much that he doesn't want to spend it and doesn't want to tell his SO about it.
why's she texting and blowing up his phone then
Validation. Even if she doesn't want him, she wants to know he wants her. Pretty standard, really.
She's not the type that closes doors. She said before, she keeps contact with her exes. She wants to remain friends with people even if they are not LTR material.
So she dumped him because he wasn't ambitious and he was a penny pincher? I'm fucking confused here. On one hand this dude didn't work hard to earn that wealth so what was she attracted to if she didn't know he was loaded? Was he just decent or good looking? Wouldn't that make her a lack of a golddigger? But at the same time, what good is having wealth and not living it up a bit? I feel like this is where I'm going to sound blue pill as fuck but is he surprised by her action? Aren't a lot of us trying to better ourselves, financially, physically, mentally, or spiritually? What does that show, that we have ambitions and want to do shit with our lives right? Once you get say a sweet car and once you're loaded then shouldn't you be able to struggle less on hooking up with women and shouldn't you test them by being frugal at that exact point? If they know you are financially doing well if you have a decent car and you maintain yourself by having a decent attire, then wouldn't you be the one doing the shit test by then living frugally and not glorifiying her by spending all your money on her? Then if they tolerate your frugality knowing you are ambitious and financially dependendent, then isn't whomever sticks with you LTR material? I don't think she was an extreme golddigger at first, then she found the truth and when she wanted to come back that's bullshit. I get that, BUT beforehand she just didn't see much coming out of that relationship or what it had for her in the future. Hear me out on this shit before bashing me but If i'm not ambitious, if I don't care to maintain my body, If I just lucked out and won some lottery, what does that say about me and where I'm heading in life? What good is fucking having boatloads of money as well if you are basically living a penny pinching life? How would you maintain a womans attraction like that? Isn't a relationship about being open and also working together 50/50 sometimes? Don't you guys always advocate to work on not having oneitis but also not being a loser? Shouldn't you feel attracted to a woman and treating her a bit at least? If she brings something new to the table and once she has passed your somewhat frugal lifestyle then shouldn't you both celebrate love? That dude and chick should just move the fuck on. Will should hook up with a middle aged salvadorian low maintenance woman and she should just find out beforehand if the person she is with is ambitious from the beginning by fucking talking things out. Will should just have fucked her and moved on but instead he started keeping her close, what did he expect would happen? I think the shit test I mentioned earlier would work better, right? And finally I would really like to hear this story from Will's perspective, because it could make a huge difference in the reality of this relationship. I've only heard her story. I also didn't like how she reacted and based her life on what her facebook friends were up to. That's retarded.
Sometimes when someone becomes suddenly wealthy, they live like paupers out of fear that they'll make a mistake and lose it all. And what bigger mistake can you make than marrying someone who betrays your trust and walks off with half of the loot while blaming you for the breakup?
It is definitely ridiculous to have money and not use any of it. People think will is clever. I think he's just one of those guys that will die with all his money unspent
Yeah man, you come into this life crying with nothing and you exit the same way, crying and with some few garments of clothing. Isn't that some chinese proverb or someshit? Either live a frugal lifestyle and become a philanthropist or live it up or something. I hate penny pinchers since I've worked for them before. They are mostly baby-boomers man and they are selfish elitist assholes the majority of the time.
TLDR: Most of you are hypocrites. Read before down voting
So one of the best things about TRP is that it attempts to empathize with women. In this case I can't exactly blame her for passing on a guy who gives the appearances of having no career prospects/money...
It's a women's biological imperative to find a man who has good genes/is alpha and is also able to provide for her and her children.
I feel like half of the responses on here amount to "what a gold digging whore, she should have been satisfied with just him being a good man"...that's the same exact type of argument SJWs use against men who don't want a fatty. Guys want a girl who is physically attractive, not just one who's "beautiful on the inside"
Also, the guy clearly isn't alpha. If he was alpha and gave her the 'Gina tingles she probably wouldn't have dumped his ass. In the end the guy was likely a beta bucks minus the Bucks part. If a guy is neither alpha nor a beta who can provide what incentive is there to stick with the guy? However, I will give him credit for exiting in a very alpha manor
OK, this might not be a popular opinion on this thread but here goes.
To me the guy sounds a bit eccentric.
If any one of us had half a million dollars written to us yearly in 4 checks, we'd at least have a decent car and a nice house.
Fuck, most of us would travel and live well.
You just got a six figure check in the mail and you're feeding your girl canned potato soup? Then you get all shitty when she dumps you for being a broke dick? WTF did you expect?
26 years old, ready to settle down - of course she's looking for a guy who will provide. SHE'S A WOMAN - AWALT. Don't hate her for being who she is. Its part of the expectation. ALL WOMEN ARE MATERIALISTIC AT LEAST ON SOME LEVEL. They all tie romance and finance together.
Look - skinny, tall, long haired guitar guys are fun to date, but when a woman wants to get serious she's thinking OK is this dude going to step up and get serious? It's just a part of the deal. Even good girls think this way.
My only problem with the girl, that I see is that she dumped him without talking to him about her concerns first. She could have expressed that she was ready to get serious and start building a life - marriage, home, family, etc... and then asked him where he was with all that before she dumped him. She definitely gamed him a little there with some manipulative shit expecting to put him into a quasi FWB situation while she scouted out the higher branch. Then she headslapped when she believed she had the golden ticket all along and didn't realize it.
Usually hot chicks know their ass is a potential meal ticket and its only a matter of time before they stop wasting it on some dude driving a 10 year toyota pick up who doesn't have a job.
Chasing after him afterwards because she found out he had money is icky - and totally pointless. Even if she gets him back it's not like he's not going to stop eating canned potato soup and torrenting documentaries. Either she's into that or she isn't. Sounds to me like dude needs to find a hippie chick who is as averse to materialism as he is (lol good luck with that).
My point here is - even the good girls want security. Don't get mad at that. Usually the quality women you want to target for LTRs, marriage and family (if that is what you want) are going to want to know if you are up to the challenge of supporting a family. Be ready for that expectation.
Will is my new life hero. What a man.
You guys making excuses for this woman are cracking me up! NOT ONCE does this woman say what qualities she brings to the table in her relationship with will. NOT ONCE!!!
THIS is the problem!!!
Scan through there and notice how many times she uses the word "I"!
It's easy to say that Will was not ambitious enough but perhaps this woman was never worth his effort to "perform" and he knew that from the beginning and was plating her all along.
Repost, but I think about this every so often. It's a great story.
Stop circlejerking.
Demanding resources from potencial LTR lies deeply in women's nature. This is not gold-digging, unless you put it at extreme.
She can feel being tricked (although it is not a Will's problem whatsoever), her partner purposely hid his higher SMV and she has no clue "why".
IMO Will is a bit delusional, trying to find a unicorn that doesn't value "men's virtues" like assets or competitiveness/ambition.
So, the guy didn't trust her and she eventually figured it out and was pissed that he wasted her time. What an epic story....
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As musician you should know that women will buy almost any bullshit story that you lay on them.
I remember this post. The cognitive dissonance is scary. She dumped him because she thought he was going nowhere and is upset he's doing whatever he wants because he has financial security. Worse yet is she's upset that he won't speak to her AFTER he told her he saw her in his future and she dumped him.
Man, that's fucking insane.
Textbook example of how powerful the female hamster is! Man this was a great read.
This is pretty much how I do it lol. I remember being on a date with a chick, invited her over, we were watching something I downloaded, and we started fooling around. She wouldn't put out but I got a blow/handjob out of it. After we were done, I told her it's getting late. She was all like wait aren't you going to feed me dinner? LOL
As someone who's idea of ltr is torrenting docs and serving potato soup..what's my choice.
P.s. I don't hide my assets, I'm simply poor ( at least in eyes of modern women. I myself need nothing much) S
He looks boring. I perfectly understand her reasons.
If he had been dating a Chinese woman it wouldn't have gone to a third date.