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TL;DR Man finds pictures of his fiancee performing sex acts on her old boyfriend. He's hurt she's never tried those acts with him. Her reasoning? She had no 'self-esteem' back then.
The poor beta fiancee was subjected to pictures of his girlfriend:
Roleplaying, bondage, anal. He was kind of kinky and he really really loved taking pictures of us naked. You name it, the photos were there. There were pictures of us having sex, there were nude pictures.
Of course the guy is blindsided:
I obviously knew he was upset. We talked on the phone today during our lunch breaks and he essentially told me he feels like I don't love him because a) I kept them and b) I was doing things I don't do with him in them.
She kept them because they were reminders of her old flame. Who keeps pictures like that?
A lot of the stuff I did in college was because I wanted my ex to love me and I was desperate for affection and I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted. That meant doing stuff I actually didn't like. I'm not that person anymore and I don't think the same way about sex anymore.
It's like she's a redpill strawoman. She did those things for Chad because she was afraid of losing him but she never has to worry about Beta dumping her so why would she ever put any effort into their sex life?
Her hamstering is hilarious:
I do believe in doing stuff for the people you love but I don't do sex stuff anymore that actively turns me off or that I don't enjoy. I'd totally dress up for him now that I now he'd want me to but I've always hated anal and I never want to do it ever again. I hate deepthroating. But now that he's seen photos of me doing that to another person he's taken that to mean that I just don't love him enough to do those things.
But I'm sure she expects her bf to go down on her every time they have sex.
Is it okay for me to not want to do these things with my partner? I feel shitty but I'm a little mad at the mentality that just because I did something with one person I have to do them with another. I just don't know what to tell him.
He's supposed to be home tomorrow night and he says he wants to discuss "where this relationship is going" which is anxiety-inducing.
This comment from /u/archwinger summarizes what this woman's fiancee is probably feeling:
The biggest, angriest lie that keeps "beta" men in check is the belief that women need to feel some kind of emotional connection with a guy before they'll be willing to have sex.
When a loser man learns that his wife/girlfriend was a super-slut, who can't even name or remember over half the people she fucked or messed around with, it hits him like a truck. All of that crap about how a woman needs to feel safe, comfortable, special, loved, and emotionally intimate is bullshit. She fucked all kinds of guys she barely knew, just for fun.
Then it dawns on him even more: all of the times she rejected his sexual advances because she didn't feel special, comfortable, loved, emotionally intimate -- that was all bullshit excuses to cover the fact that she just plain didn't want sex with him at all. If she wants sex, she doesn't need any of that - she just fucks for fun. But she's not into him, so she uses those excuses - those lies he's believed his entire life - to hide her lack of attraction to him.
Then, he feels used, exploited, tricked.
She hates it, yet she kept the pictures of it.
Precisely.
With women: action >>>>>>>>>>> words
With ANYONE, or any BEING actions >>>>>>>> words. My dog can't speak, but I can tell a lot about who he is and what he wants by what he fucking does. I've been lied to too many times by people that sound or seem nice. So now I only trust people based on their actions. Say you're going to meet me tonight? Then you better fucking meet me or give some dam good excuse, or your words are nothing more than a joke now.
And it was college. Cell phones weren't exactly high definition cameras ten years ago like they are today. These are likely from a digital camera that have since been stored on a computer hd or email, ie manually uploaded. These were intended to be kept.
That there was my major red flag reading the post. Why the fuck did she keep the pics?
Probably to still get off on them
No no, see she needs those photos to remind herself of those times she had "no self-esteem". It's just a way to keep herself inline. This snow flake has seen the errors in her ways and is on the road to redemption.
I could see this bitch saying almost exactly this.
Well, even if everything she said about "not even knowing she had them" is true, there was a moment when she decided to stuff them in a box of English papers, tape it up, and ship it to her new house.
Y'know, instead of burning them the day after the breakup.
I have respect for a woman who hides all her past bullshit, legitimately hits the wall and tries to turn the leaf and not be a grade A slut (dont excuse her behavior) but doing things like holding onto photos, msging exes on facebook, etc..
It would be one thing to turn over a new leaf and change entirely, and quite another to simply hide evidence while continuing the same shit.
To shit test and sabotage her current bf when he eventually finds them.
I would bet $1,000 she masturbates to those pictures when she's feeling dirty; that's why she kept them.
I'd put money on it. That and/or looks at them right before she unwilling starfishes the beta with her eyes closed only thinking of the pics and the ex.
It'd make sense. I jerk to nudes of exes lol
This infuriates me. I keep thinking I get out of the anger phase and this kind of shit drags me back in.
Why did she keep pictures of her ex? Why did she keep sex pictures? Why did she keep pictures of acts that she doesn't want to do?
My situation isn't this FUBAR, but there are parallels and it drives me insane.
Not only did she keep the photos but they were so handy and readily accessible that her BB could find them.
I might understand if you put them in a box down in the basement and sealed it up with tape 10 years ago and haven't looked at them since. Then you could plausibly say they don't mean anything and the mice droppings and nibbles on the photos would prove that.
But this bitch has them somewhere she can find them easily and her BB got ahold of them. That there is the problem. She kept them close to her and then she wants to say they don't mean anything?
I wear a gold earring that a girl gave to me 20 years ago. I never take it off. If a woman I'm dating asks me about it there is no way I can say it doesn't mean anything to me. It does and that's why it's always there.
"I dumped the girl, I kept the earring."
Sorted.
I wear a ring from a gf that died from CF. Vowed to wear it til there is a cure.
And it doesn't hurt that story is a panty dropper.
What better wingwoman than an angel with actual wings?
I think that will be because it's all becoming painfully obvious to us men who were played.
I remember I fed, complimented, and even catered to my first crush just earlier this year. Stupid bitch never did return any of the favors.
Take it as a reminder that this is the world we live in, and that what worked for our fathers and grandfathers is obsolete.
It is what it is.
This! It's a completely different world out there.
Nice username! Dragon Ball Fan Myself.
And yeah, we need to carve our own path. And teach our sons the same so they won't have such a hard time. New world requires new strategy. We must adapt
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Lol. Goku is my role model. Now it's all this Steven universe crap
You're looking at it wrong then.... really wrong.
There is no fault with her. She did what she wanted with her ex, and her new bf is a beta so she doesn't do shit. Which is fine.
If you're so beta that you get with a girl, she says "no" to everything you want, or in his case probably beg, to do, and you still propose to her, you're beta as fuck. it's that simple.
there's nothing to be mad about, you or him. Him because he made this situation 100% for himself, and you because what does it matter? A beta is being a beta, why get mad at that?
You're implying that he made this situation himself, in a vacuum. If so, then I disagree.
For myself, I'm mad at situations like this because it's similar to my story, where I was told "Act this way and women will like you". Which was a fucking lie. I've been told all my life to act Blue Pill and that I'd have success with women.
As we're here, it's obviously BS. I'm mad at the liars for their falsehoods. I'm mad at the broken trust from those I held dear. I'm mad at myself for believing it. I'm mad at all the wasted time in my life that I can never get back.
Again, I'd take them as reminders. Over and over again I hear about being a good guy gets you women. Lies. All lies. Really, the only girls I can completely trust is my mother and family members. Other than that, I'm Not wasting time.
So when you feel those beta thoughts coming in, remember what that girl did to you. And you'll snap right back into reality.
Yeah, this is how I take it. It's one reason I keep coming back here. I get tons of BLUE PILL GOOD message from the rest of the universe, I need something to remind me.
I'm still practicing, and I'm not going around win. Mean to people. Be one thing for sure is that I know the truth. No I don't lift often, but I love cardio. It's a great stress reliever and it gives me time to think.
We all need to wind down. And I'm happy yin find some closure here.
true that those things we can be mad at. but does it really serve us a purpose now? If anything, i am thankful that i finally see how the world really is instead of going through my whole life like 80%+ of guys do, living a beta existence and wondering why all the time.
why doesnt my wife want to fuck more than twice a year? why is she so dead in our relationship? why dont girls find me attractive? why can other guys pick up girls but i cant - must be my looks/height/money/race?
we should be thankful that these beta questions can never bother us again, we know all the answers now. And those that we dont, we have the tools to figure out.
from another reply i wrote in this same subthread
so yes we CAN be angry, but i prefer to look at is being thankful, and looking at these beta examples i see like OPs post as a reminder why I need to always stay on my game, and not fall back in to bluepill beta thought processes
Your point is something like, "Sure, anger's a possible response, but what's the point?"
For me, anger is fire, is fuel. Every fucked up moment in my life pushes me harder from it. It's the opposite of emotional gravity. Every mistake burns with a fire. I don't have your sense of zen. It doesn't work for me. I need that fire. I need that anger.
On the flip side, I can't let it run away with me. I can't get lost in it. If I focus too much on it, I'll either get depressed and cynical or I'll get moody and lose my temper over stupid shit.
i know what you mean
if it works for you then go for it, but like you said don't get blinded by it and lose the plot
I consider myself well out of the anger phase; branch-swinging, hypergamy, etc. no longer anger me. That said, there are certain qualities that inherent to AWALT that still and probably always will irritate me, because they are just shitty qualities for a human to have. Solipsism and the hamstering associated with it are prime examples. I have no patience for self-centeredness or rationalizing no matter who it's coming from, man or woman. Maybe OP feels the same and that's what angered him; I don't think there's anything wrong with that, or that he's necessarily looking at the anger phase wrongly.
tahts the thing though.
we were raised thinking these qualities weren't there, that's why we get mad when we see that they are. but now we KNOW they are there, for all women. there's nothing left to get mad at, unless you want to get mad at the people who were delusional and passed that on to you
its like that platos 'allegory of the cave'. we were raised our whole lives thinking the shadows we saw on the wall was reality. we were convinced of it. but then when we were set free, and saw the real world, now we know what was what. But we can't get mad at the shadows, they were what we saw and what was our "false view of reality", but they are an unchangeable fact of reality. we could get mad at the person who put us in the cave, but even that serves us no purpose.
so now we see reality how it is, none of this should surprise us anymore. even when you're in a committed relationship, now that we know what we know, we can see the signs of future problems ahead and know what will happen. whether we act and change that impending future or not is up to us, but we (should) have the knowledge, it's all out there online
You could use the same logic to say "most people are scumbags, so it doesn't make sense to be irritated by people being scumbags." I recognize that chances are, if someone dings my parked car when no ones around, they're going to drive away without leaving a note. That doesn't mean it's not gonna piss me off. Women tend to be solipsistic; solipsism is a shitty quality to have. Therefore, while it never surprises me, it's still usually going to irritate me when I notice it.
you can be pissed off if someone dings your car, but again it comes back to does that get anything for YOU. usually no, so when something like that happens to me I just choose to accept that it's just an inevitable circumstance that will happen sooner or later.
the way i see things is probabilities. to use your parking as an example, imagine a parking lot. There are red areas and green areas. The more red an area, the higher probability that something will eventually happen to you/your car. If you park next to everyone in the busiest spots, it's red. if you park next to the shopping cart return, it's red. if you park at the very far end of the lot near the busstop where someone might throw shit at your car or rob you , its red.
not that you have to do it, but i found its helped me a lot even with women. i know that if shes going out for a "girls night" theres a certain probability that regardless of what i do, she will cheat or open the door to cheating there. all i can control is how i react to that information (ending the relationship), and move on
but i know what you mean, i used to get really annoyed by their self-centered thinking until I learned it's just a trait of women, just as I wouldn't get mad at a bee for stinging me. it's just what they do by nature
I think he is angry that this kind of situation can even happen when it shouldn't ever.
we allow what happens to us though, we are the ulitmate controllers of our destiny
Indeed, and humans are very flawed and we can become quite (intentionally or otherwise) blind in these situations. It's how we handle them when we do piece together what is going on that can truly define who we are, in the matter of character.
The only reason this situation bothers me is due to seeing another blue piller that potentially could be free if he was just made aware of simple gender dynamics and psychology. Although I don't benefit from him swallowing the red pill I think society does and that aligns with my belief system more than "fuck that beta".
true but the world needs blue pills and betas. they are necessary to the functioning of the world how it is
its better for us because women (and men) recognize alpha and follow it, so its in our benefit
I'm sick of this fake enlightenment "I'm past the anger phase" bullshit.
AF/BB, lying, deception is morally wrong. When women do it they are toxic, selfish people.
Should you be mad? Well, that's useless. You can't change the world. Your energy is better spent changing yourself.
But to lay all the blame on the man every single time? That's some pussypass shit right there.
Who's to say what is "morally wrong"? And how is this?
The world NEEDS betas, and in a larger number than alphas. Deception and lying are just as natural as breathing, fucking or shitting. They are traits that extended even beyond humans, so there's no reason to think it's some new moral wrongdoing we've discovered and are now doing.
It's not a pussypass at all. AWALT, we know women all do this shit. And she saw a beta, and she chose not to do those sex acts with him, which is fine. She can choose that
but HE chose to stay with her when he wasn't getting what he wanted, HE chose to propose to her. So yes, the blame for his fiancee not doing anal with him is 100% his fault.
First for how he set the relationship dynamics, because it's obvious if he came at her a different way her ass would be spread open for him, as it was for the other dude.
Second, it's his fault for almost being married to her when she was turning down what he wanted to do. She said "no", he accepted it. So who else's fault is it that she's not doing those things with him?
There's nothing to get angry about because he made the situation for himself, i just showed you how. And i've seen plenty of similar stories where the guy still takes her back at the end and just accepts that was in a "different phase of her life". Meanwhile, like we always say on here, she'll meet a chat thundercock some night out and do whatever he wants.
He created the relationship dynamics, he created the situation of being engaged.
So it is his fault.
Yeah I'm not saying victims are always blameless. Of course the guy could grow a backbone and leave.
But honestly, marrying a guy for money and security then resenting him and giving him shitty once a month duty sex is pretty laame. Like wtf, don't marry/get engaged to a guy you're not attracted to. I really have to place some responsibility on the woman for this.
And
Well many things are natural. Male lions kill and eat the offspring of rival males. Orangutans regularly use rape as a sexual strategy. One of the benefits of having a highly developed brain is we can rise above our baser instincts.
I don't know about you, but I generally try to keep lying manipulative people out of my life.
we can rise above some instincts, to a degree, but you'd be surprised how much we still follow our basic impulses in general.
But honestly, marrying a guy for money and security then resenting him and giving him shitty once a month duty sex is pretty laame. Like wtf, don't marry/get engaged to a guy you're not attracted to. I really have to place some responsibility on the woman for this.
thats the thing about life, and trp/alpha. You could use the same logic to justify how a guy that's been a really great supportive 'friend' to a girl should get sex, for example. we only get what we take/demand. That comes through in our actions, and the beta way he acted with her turned her off, or you could say that she didn't feel she NEEDED to have any type of sex with him. Most people only do what is required of them, so if she can live how she wants without doing things she doesn't want to do, and he accepts that, then that's their situation.
I agree that in a logical world you'd expect a wife to put out and help her husband out when he wants some pussy, but so many guys live in a sexless or sex less than they want marriage. But the thing is, they would be in that situation with any girl. It's a result of the way the guy acts in the relationship, not because of how the girl is (in the vast majority of the cases).
He didn't even need to leave. there have been some examples posted here were the guy stopped begging for sex, started lifting and taking care of himself and not caving in to his wife's BS, and she falls right in line and acts how he wants.
there's a really great example if you google (redpill dread game ltr) (i cant link it directly because it gets autodeleted) and while you'd think that talking to his gf and slowly logically trying to get her to be more affectionate would work (as western society tells us), we know that it never does. however what he did worked pretty fast, nothing about her changed - only how he acted with her
dude... IKR same shit with me bro, i hate seeing these manipulative cunts fuck over men, just gets me so angry sometime.. i mean i accept their nature but dam man.. these betas need to wake up after my first major heartbreak i knew i had to find the truth.
There is just really no reason to be angry. You cannot change things that are out of your control. There is no reason to get angry at a person for something they don't want to do. You either accept that about them or you move along.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the first part and agree with the second. There are TONS of reasons to be angry, but you're right, I can't control others.
Fair enough.
It's my opinion that anger is an emotion that can and should be controlled. If you allow anger to flood your senses you lose the ability to logically think things out.
I view this situation like I do a tornado. You should not be afraid of the destructive power of natural events. You can be an awe of the destruction a tornado unleashed, and possibly worry for your survival, but you shouldn't fear it.
This woman didn't want her current partner to find the photos, there was no evil intent. Shoot, she likely wants to find him as attractive as the alphas but she simply cannot. It's not from a lack of trying, it's her inner nature.
Completely agree. This contradicts your earlier point, though. You said earlier that there's no reason to be angry, but now you say anger is something to be controlled. To control, it must be and have a reason to be. I'm in that camp. Anger is a fuel, to me, but too much fuel can burn you. Can't let the fire get away from you.
Disagree. You SHOULD be scared of a tornado. Those things are crazy destructive and can kill you! It's natural and normal to be fearful of an Act of God. How you react is the issue. Freak out and lose your shit? We have a problem. Get the family to the storm shelter and lock it down? There we go. Courage isn't being fearless, it's doing what needs to be done and facing the fear.
I don't think she was evil, but I find keeping things from old relationships to be, in most cases, and immoral breach of trust. A solid LTR is built on mutual trust of exclusivity. Human nature, both male and female, is to wander, and it's each person's responsibility to fight that sinful nature.
Just because we have a nature doesn't excuse it at all.
And she can lie to his face about how "I didn't like it," but I'm sure the look on her face in those pictures show the truth: She loved it. Every minute of it.
Exactly. If that guy doesn't dump her ass, and if the rest of these beta pushovers don't wake the fuck up, I will be astonished. There is just too much information out there, and the brazen behavior of these cunts is just too dam far to ignore. It's time for the ranchers to rope these cattle back into their pens and turn the fences back on. On second thought, let's just fuck them all and let them run feral.
Welcome to the real world Neo
This should be the motto of this sub.
That's "motto", grasshopper
nothin, what's a motto w you
It is, thats why its called red pill. The name is invariably linked to the movie.
Why so much hate, bro. It is what it is.
A natural reaction to
glad you've gotten past it, some of us are still working on it.
I'm not even mad. The anger phase was when I realized Disney was a muse to fool hard working providers. Once you get past the realization that there is no such thing as a princess (or, a self-respecting, honorable and faithful woman), you get to shamelessly join the free for all. We basically get to fuck random sluts for the price of a gym membership. Let that sink in... So what if I use locker room vulgarities and tongue in cheek sarcasm to describe the situation? It is exactly what it is.
Sometimes I keep photos me doing deeply humiliating things that I'm completely ashamed of.
I don't want others to see these photos.
Every time I see them I'm reminded of how much suffering I went through.
But I keep them because I never, ever, ever EVER want to see them and be reminded of all these terrible things.
Why don't you guys understand this?
This person explains it perfectly as to why she didn't want to through it away.. haha of course! "I expect you probably didn't throw them away, because to throw them away you would have to think about them and you probably prefer to avoid thinking about them at all.".
She must have to get a new hamster, b/c that one's heart just gave out on the wheel!
Devil's advocate, but I'm not exactly fastidious about chucking old photos. I have photos from the past that I'm shocked I still have at times.
Is that of you taking anal or deepthroating a guy?
Always reverse the story.
Man has pictures of him and women in his past doing stereotypical female-oriented things like ring and clothes shopping, nice dinners, cuddling, etc. Man keeps these photos, current woman finds them. How could she not question why she is not getting the same treatment?
Jesus, women have no introspection on the male perspective (beyond their own agency).
"A lot of the stuff I did in college was because I wanted my ex to love me and I was desperate for affection and I thought being in a relationship meant doing everything the other person wanted. That meant doing stuff I actually didn't like. I'm not that person anymore and I don't think the same way about MONEY anymore"
Hilarious
Yep, flipping the script is something that has been popping up on TRP a lot lately, and it's awesome. Let's see how understanding she is when faced with the same situation. Unfortunately though, women are so fucked up they'd never cop to their own double standard.
My SO found all my pics of exes and just deleted them. Now i just have to keep ours encrypted. Went better then i figured. Thank god for the cloud.
You missed the furious commenters on the original thread going "How dare you compare sex to romance, that's not a male equivalent, it's totally unrelated!"
A guy that you don't like and who you felt compelled to service so he would like you better?
All those bad feelings about being sexually used by a lover and she kept the mementos.
Most important point listed. Your one sentence explains everything.
Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy. For a moment I was being swayed by her reasons of doing stuff she hated doing. But then again she kept the mementos of the acts she hates doing now and she did those acts to please her ex.
Would you keep photos of eating out a fatty or riding the land whale?
The compartmentalizing required here is baffling.
It's just pure hamstering. She "hated it" and had "low self esteem" yet she is obviously looking back at those pictures from time to time and they were easily found by her fiancée.
If he has any sense, he should drop her like a bad habit.
I see why you got the gold. This one statement of yours is the most creative and foolproof argument against her.
This guy out here speaking the truth.
If she found pictures of the car gifts, exotic trips, lavish dates, heartbreakingly romantic sonnets, and high status social soirées BF took the ex to,, but never her, she would understand. And talk about self esteem would not cut it with her.
Amen. Women never flip the script. They're too self absorbed.
I've dated girls so hot I WANTED to treat them to nice shit. And I've dated cows who I was ashamed to bring around to my friends/family.
If a hot gf hadn't met my family, but saw that I took some uglier ex to family dinner in the past, she'd flip her shit. Or instead of family dinner, bought jewelry, took on vacation, etc. You get the idea.
Too selfish. Can't walk a mile in their partner's shoes.
Yeah we read that comment too.
This is a good comment on the site.
Then the hamster responses are stuff like
IDK. What do the gays - especially those "power"bottoms - have to say to this?
From her comments it was not trying anal once but repeatedly doing anal with her exes. I never really had much interest in anal usually it was the chicks who wanted to try it and in most cases when I stuck it in, it hurt them too much.
If I wasn't so lazy I would message one of my exes and ask them what BS they tell their BFs. One of them who is engaged/married I did really nasty shit with her including threesomes. She told me her BF thinks she is sweet and innocent, but I never asked for details.
She is right about the sweet part she is sweet ☺
This would be very interesting to know. But if you aren't already on chatting terms with the girl, I wouldn't want to re-open that can of worms.
"Fuck my asshole because in my opinion it feels nice"?
Well yeah, sounds like we're done here. Good work boys, we solved the case.
I haven't ever been penetrated by a penis but it may be that men have stronger (and wider?) assholes and it hurts less?
I don't have proof, just talking out of my asshole (pun intended).
Pretty sure the prostate factors in there somewhere too.
Erm, the male version of the G spot is located up the ass. Yippy.
Yeah the 'P' spot. Tip of the prostate. Gotta go up your anus to tickle it.
I wonder if it's because men take bigger shits because of all the meat we eat... and it toughens and strengthens our muscles from years of running a log factory down there.
That was always my theory. Not many dicks are bigger than some of the shits I've taken...
It's so fucking nice to have a real conversation like this in a relaxed environment.
"If it hurts you're doing it wrong."
They will tell you that you have to seduce that asshole. Lick it, rub it, lube it, and then finger it. Eventually working your way up to bigger objects until they WANT you to put your dick in there.
Also, make sure they take a shit before and douche their bung hole out because that shit's nasty.
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It's certainly a downer, although when I was younger there were times I was horny enough and drunk enough that I wouldn't have cared.
What I don't like about anal is the lack of spontaneity. Unless she well broke in then she has to prepare herself. It's just easier to hit that pussy and I don't have to shower after.
Hey man, have some respect for these innocent young women!
How do you douche it out? My water pressure is nothing and being distributed like rain. No probing hose to flood the a-hole.
LOL, people forget "douchebag" is an actual personal care device.
When used in the ass, the same thing is called an enema bag.
You're welcome.
Well, it helps to have one of those hand showers like some kitchens have on their sink.
I have an old house that only has a bath tub with a hand shower. If you get the water hot you can massage the anus with it and the heat loosens up the sphincter. At that point, press the nozzle against the anus and force water inside. When no more will enter, release. Repeat and eventually the water goes deeper and you can clean out the last 12 inches of colon.
This is a good way to introduce a girl to anal. Although, it's best to let her evacuate herself unless you want to end up like Tubgirl.
Since you don't have water pressure then you can go to the drug store and buy an enema. They are just saltwater and they make her flush out.
They also make enema bags that you can use. Just fill them up with hot water and insert into lubed and hopefully warmed bottom.
Or spend $20 and get a bidet attachment on Amazon. So many Americans think its too euro-faggy, but think about it; if you got shit on your hand would you just wipe your hand on toilet paper and call it a day? Hell no, you'd wash them with water. Same concept, you spray your butt and then wipe off dry with TP, and if you have sufficient water pressure on your house she can max out the pressure dial and probably have the water coming out her nose so she's DEEP clean!
This is a weird conversation.
Spit on your TP for the last couple swipes. Or keep wet wipes around. Much cleaner than dry wiping
It still can hurt. Also, women don't have prostates up their ass
Every woman I have been with, liked anal, no exceptions.
But every woman I was in a relationship with, I fucked in the ass at the beginning but witdrawed anal sex when I became a fucking mangina doing chores like I was taught to do.
Nowadays they ask me please to fuck them in the ass.
For people with a little more experience (over 30) the red pill really feels like talking the fucking pill from the matrix movie.
Yeah, it can hurt but like every slut I've been with told me
To put it in the nutshell, they like it when it hurts. (but just a little, don't put some weird things in her ass)
Genuinely serious question...
Is that a plus or negative when dealing with anal?
Having a prostate is a huge plus.
Prostate orgasms are the BEST. Probably 3x better than P+V sex.
Sometimes I wish I should go all men and forget about women.
Ah, that's why gay guys fuck like rabbits.
I had a girl go at my gooch one time way back when.
Blew my mind that I didn't even know about it.
Its like a dudes clit.
Ah, that's why gay guys fuck like rabbits.
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Since you wanted genuine..
Pros: - No chance of pregnancy - Awesome orgasms if done right
Cons: - Chance of shit - Decreased spontaneity, results may vary
Ever heard the phrase, "It hurts so good"? That about sums it up.
Men don't have prostate s in their tongues, either...
You don't just ram it in and it takes a bit of solo practice to be skilled enough to let someone do it to you.
But goddamn, once you can manage a real dick and not some overpriced doggy chew toy, it's amazing.
My insides felt like they were going down a water slide filled with warm jello
"power bottom" hahaha what sweet terminology.
Maybe if her vag wasn't so loose it would feel like a butthole!
I think the thought process is self gratifying. Betas will ralley to a woman in hopes of getting a taste, even on the internet.
"For a man who gives me real tingles, I'll do anything he wants."
"Sex used to be enjoyable, now it's a job. I'm not doing overtime anymore."
"He's right, but he's not my alpha so he can fuck off. I don't know how to spin this."
I'll bet it's strong showing for the WhiteKnight, Beta and Sisterhood societies in that thread. I don't even have the patience to look.
Exactly. If Drake or Justin Beiber or whatever celebrity she wants to fuck asked for sex, not only would she cheat on her husband, she'd take it up her butthole without even thinking twice.
And whisper it to her bff as a point of pride "After I blew the roadie crew to get to Drake, he came in my ass during a set change. Best 90 seconds of my life."
😂 😂 😂 pretty sure stuff like that actually happens from time to time.
Same thread as every one in relationships or deadbedrooms...
I'm surprised more people don't know the script before posting to there
I found the advice there terribly inconsistent, which is to be expected I suppose. My ex was textbook TRP field report material but I hadn't swallowed yet and didn't know it. I had problems for months and would occasionally post to r relationshipsI would get wildly different threads each time, it seemed like whatever the first answer or two was, the herd went with it.
There ended up being some helpful stuff eventually.. Basically 'dude your gut is telling you something, she is being sketchy, walk away.' Long story short I dumped her for a groupie incident she showed off and lied about, classic alpha widow stuff.
That's why the sidebar is important. Most here aren't very good at it, and without a solid base, you can't tell the good from the bad.
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Those are not RP truths, they are pissed off betas. The RP truth is you can not negotiate desire. It's her biology, he has to make it work. You can't put responsibility on a woman, there's a reason we say "most responsible teenager in the house".
There are also several people pushing more sincerely RP points: namely, that this is about respect and can't be fixed.
That even if her previous relationship was unhealthy and born of desperation to keep the guy, that still means she's much less worried about keeping the current guy, and that her respect ladder is CollegeBF>Herself>Fiance. So even if she has every right to not do those things, he still needs to walk because he's (unfixably) undesirable to her.
Yep. Women are barely logical at the best of times. You can't negotiate attraction, you have to inspire it.
Truth. Maybe they should see a therapist about her lack of desire to have a cock up her ass.
Paying third party to agree with her hamster maneuvers? Save the money, man up.
Nope...see therapist because she doesn't want BB's cock up her ass. AF's cock is just fine.
If it were the truth, it would be telling the dude to stop with the bitch behaviour and man up. Treat her like a sex object to get her to act right
The last guy that fucked her ass and throat didn't do it by begging and pleading that she did it for old boyfriends. He put her on her knees and used the bitch how he wanted.
I actually don't think she's conscious of her behavior. The primary mechanism for this is the hamster. She doesn't know because she isn't cognizant; as a woman she possesses a lower level conciousness. I honestly think she has no idea that she loves wild sex and that her BF doesn't turn her on.
Of course not! This is about #3 or #4 on the list of most common mistakes redpillers make which keep them from internalising everything and moving on from this sub. If the points mechanism worked I'd (Alt+11) you.
But if she were cognizant, this is what she would be saying. It's what she is saying, she just doesn't know it.
This was probably the single most shocking thing for me to realize as I went down the rabbit hole. It's amazing how ignorant modern man is of female nature. It's fucking unreal to me too that women are constantly presented as our equals yet they have a fundamentally different perception of reality compared to man. This may be the exact cause of the popular opinion that women are mysterious and difficult to understand. The mystery immediately evaporated when I realized there is no mystery to them at all. There is almost nothing fascinating or intriguing about a woman beyond her anatomy.
It makes perfect sense that only a privileged class could vote in the past. Since women in general can't introspect I see little reason to take anything they say or think seriously. When I first took the pill I thought they were just great liars (and hey they often are great liars). But really most of the time they're not lying, they're just extremely clueless about reality because they don't possess the mental mechanisms (like objectivity and rationality) necessary to fully grasp truth. Nor do they have a curiosity about reality. They don't give a fuck about reality. I think this is due to the fact that their reward centers only give them dopamine hits when they do girly shit. What a mind fuck. And to think I thought I'd have a female conversation partner who would one day be my wife even though virtually every example of a woman in my life was totally blind, ignorant, or uninterested in anything dealing with straight fact.
What may be even crazier to me is that my interactions with women are so sweet, flirty, and great now that I know they are irrational, feral little automatons that follow their tingles and instinctual programming. You'd think this would make me bitter or abusive toward them. Honestly, I pity them (though it definitely helps that I've never really been hurt too badly by women and that women have tits, ass, etc.). This is so fucking wild to me man. I don't even know what to say.
It's the hardest thing in the anger phase to get over. I think I'll write a post about it, actually. Nothing new but every now and then we need to repeat ourselves on here for the ever-increasing membership.
It's hard because it takes a huge amount of maturity. It's hard because it's so damn easy to scorn, pity and look down on women when you have unplugged.
It's the ability to be genuine friends with the incredibly entitled rich kid on your block, even though his overbearing parents treat you like shit, condescend to you, viciously attack your identity, label you all manner of vile things, all while lessening any sort of adversity felt by their already privileged offspring while you are dirt poor, clothed in rags, fighting for everything you have.
But it's not the kid's fault, and the kid is genuinely unaware of it. You can never be that kid's friend until you stop blaming them for it entirely. That takes a huge amount of maturity and self-discipline.
Though of course some women are aware, I just avoid them and so should you.
Fuck that. See a rich kid has no doubt he is rich.
A woman actually thinks she is a victim of society and not entitled by it.
It's an imperfect analogy. The post I'll write will explain it better.
Let me know when that post hits, I'll read the shit out of it. And yeah, the ones that are aware are fucking scary and normally crazy/manipulative, etc.
You might be surprised if you actually do check it out. Lots of people who suck, but the highest up posters are (politely, in /relationships acceptable tones) explaining why he's totally right to be hurt, and she can't fix this by talking.
Bonus points to the guy who explains that even if this was just about her previous lack of self-respect, it still means current-fiance is at the bottom of the respect ladder and ought to leave.
Met girl on tinder
Brazilian, she speaks no English, I speak no Portuguese
Without being able to communicate except through sign language, brought her back to my place, got her a glass of water and we fucked
fucked her a few more times
anal, rimming, swallowing, took pictures of her
thru google translate she says that she doesn't like local guys because they're "perverts" and "don't respect women"
lol
If only tinder brahs were as chivalrous as you.
Best part is the glass of 'water'.
She did this really hot thing during sex where she pretended to be asleep for a few hours.
Not respecting women is treating them as equals. They're not equals, do not treat them as such.
Shit man I can't do a woman's job in the kitchen so I guess they beat me in that department
Oh wait most modern whores can't even cook and clean, nevermind
Where did they lose that skill? Makes me mad...
When they started rallying for feminism
I never go into a relationship unless the woman is atleast willing to learn how to cook.
My prev girlfriend (and still my only ltr), I made my mother teach her how to cook. That was a wise decision on my part.
I give you props for taking the incentive-- very RP thing to do. Too many BP idiots let this slide, without knowing how important a woman's domesticity is, might make a post on this. My cousin is a great BB example-- earns a ton as a doctor yet has a wife that barely knows anything about cooking, hires a nanny, constantly orders out, etc. Love him like a brother but I really fear for his future with the red flags I'm seeing. The only plus side is that his wife doesn't look like an ex-CC rider, at least not from what I can gather, but who knows
My plan is to go to a different country to get a wife from, not America. Cause almost in every other country in the world, the women are still women, like in east Europe or Russia.
And when thirsty betas became so fucking horny that they would accept the lowliest of lows just to get a sniff of pussy
No father at home. Father's tell their daughters how to be useful in the world. Single mother's just spew empowerment while riding the CC at warp speed into that wall.
I take my cooking as a fucking thing of pride. Same as a well-fashioned and clean home. When I invite people over I want them to think, "Well of course I'll head over to CornyHoosier's place. It's stocked with booze, good food, comfortable seating and he is always a good entertainer."
What man isn't able to cook and clean for himself?
Basic husbandry man
It's not so much the lack of ability, rather the way things should be. If you find yourself leading the charge of domesticity most of the time, I'd question where your sack is. No doubt, helping out around the house is a good thing, but leave the kitchen to the woman's domain unless exigent circumstances come up.
Honestly, that word needs to be a bannable offense. As a man, you should be self sufficient. We invented washing machines and dishwashers, it's no longer a skill that should be anything.
Her only domain is to keep up with the standards I have set.
This strict line of thinking that offers nothing productive, and only your subjective take on what ought to be allowed should be a bannable offense.
Like I said, it's not a matter of ability of self-sufficiency. In a LTR you accept certain roles, and if you are the housemaid bitch while your woman has no idea what the fuck a pan looks like, then you're exhibiting BB personality.
Most women don't respect men to the degree we demand, makes sense to treat them as equals.
Exactly. You don't pedestalize them? You're "disrespecting them"
As a non native speaker, I didn't understand your comment.
Not respecting women is treating them as equals.
They are not equal so don't treat them like equals.
So treat them with respect?!
Its confusing for everyone not just you. He's saying that if you treat a woman like your equal and give her basic respect (like you would a man below you in rank) she will eventually lose respect for you as a man, and claim you treat women badly, because you don't give her what she really wanted.
Basically, treat women below you like they are below you. Only treat a woman who you know is better than you with respect, because despite her words she knows what respect she's really earned on the inside.
In the wise words of Italian Spider man, "respecte le donne"
Wait. What?
Not respecting them is treating them as equals. They aren't equals.
Ergo, treat them with respect?
Do you even English?
Treat women with respect, like LuvBeer did, what's so hard to understand?
She's not lying. There's just a couple words missing. She hates that the local guys she wants to fuck are perverts and don't respect women. The guys won aren't and do don't exist, from a sexual point of view.
I'm interested to know where you are from? Are you in Brazil now?
I made a CL ad for Costa Rica and got a lot of positive responses from women. I plan on visiting in November. At this rate I'm going to be very busy.
Champions league? Heh I'm a big football fan as well (see my username).
it was that glass of water, that was key bro.
I'm brazilian and I can't get laid that easy. I'm feeling like the most beta man in the world right now
Religious girl fucked a confident guy who knew what he wanted. Sounds like he was her alpha fucks.
He knew exactly how to handle her to the point that she did things just to please him.
AF/BB.
Now imagine that this girl finds pictures, dozens of pictures, of her current boyfriend and his exes. Except in this case, said pictures are taken at five star hotels in the Maldives, Europe, Hawaii, basically the best destinations for a vacation. Also, there are many pictures of her current boyfriend offering flowers to the girls that were at that time his girlfriends, buying nice necklaces and rings, the best chocolate and so on. Now lets imagine what would this girl feel, how would she tell him to do this stuff for her too, and her reaction when he says that he is not like that anymore, he has too much self-respect to be that person again, I mean, I might guess what her reaction would be, but we will never know.
From her response a little further down the page: "But the thing is that I wasn't more attracted to or in love with them - I was just a girl who didn't know how to say no."
THEM.... So its not just this one guy from college..
"It was just a phase!"
Sure babe. Right.
Good catch. Rmember, if a woman tells you she's been with X number of guys, add 3-4 to that in order to get the actual number.
add or multiply!?
Some just straight out lie... remember girl from marriage/polygraph post? "I gave my usual number, five..... " (it was really 17 or something)
It doesn't really matter. If they fail the dick-stacking test by 3 or 4 or by 17. They fail. If you make a small extension to the rule and LTR her, you're only damaging your own standards, your own wallet and your own SMV.
addmultiply by 3-4FTFY
"Good for you and your new standards, I wish you luck in your relationships"
Only thing that really needs to be said
Painful. The guy should part ways. I married a 100+ sex partner woman. To her credit, she at least told me about her past before we married. But I was already in love with her.
Some 18 years later (and 2 kids) we divorced. THE core problem was her desire for me was limited. Although the first few years seemed to be good, the last 12 were a downhill slide to utter misery for me.
I was her "comfortable shoe" beta bucks of a husband. She only "enjoyed" sex with me in one position. No oral or anything adventurous. Ever.
Turns out she was living a secret life of multiple lovers for at least the last ten years. As I found out, the sex she had was highly adventurous. She could fit in crazy wild sex 4 or 5 times per week while rejecting me for two or months at a time. Afterall, as she said, I had unrealistic expectations about sex in a LTR with small kids around.
Bottom line, she enjoyed -- had to have -- sex with guys she genuinely felt the hots for. I wasn't one of them.
Thanks for sharing this, it must have been incredibly painful to write.
And this just goes to show how deeply women lie in order to further their AF/BB strategy.
I don't think I'll ever accept any reason to not have sex with a woman ever again as valid. Every single time on this sub, "I can't have sex because ...." means "I want to sex someone else".
Bingo (mostly). But I don't think life (and my own situation) is as simple as the alpha fucks vs. beta bucks scenario I've given.
For one, there's the excitement of sex with a new partner. As my now ex wife said to me in a moment of candor at the end the "forbidden fruit" of an affair made for "exciting sex". And then there's also the classic TRP factor of me needing to improve myself and thus also improving my sexual desirability.
But still, at the core she just simply liked fucking around. And she just didn't "get off" on me. Jeez, I remember at the end, in feeling sorry for herself, she told me how she told one of her lovers that she was married to someone (me) whom she couldn't stand to have even touch her. ... Well, she can go fuck herself. Why the hell was she lying to me all those years and tearing me down in the process? Just GD leave.
Note: I've had other postings on this time in my life. Sorry if I'm a repeat for some of the readers.
Black Dragon (blog) says it really well. That relationships have a three year expiry date (absolute maximum). After that she'll lose attraction for you not matter what you do or have done. His solution (and mine) is multiple long term relationships. Most (non BP) men seem to come to this conclusion eventually.
Its not an uncommon thing. The pinnacle of female strategy is the best genes for her offspring, AND the best nest to raise them in. Even in situations where she gets the genes and nest from the same provider, she still has that biological call of the wild to get gina tingles from alpha males. Women are always true to their best interests, unlike men. And thats part of why males and females are incompatible for LTR's.
Thats why LTR's are a waste of time. When the excuses start rolling just bounce. Nothing left to talk about. Even if the excuses were valid it doesnt matter. A females primary worth is sex. If she cant deliver that, then she isnt worth having anymore. When the cow is out of milk, you get a new cow. You dont feed the useless cow for 20 more years out of the goodness of your own heart. Its just business.
Thanks for having the courage to type all that out.
Can you share any advice for avoiding these situations for those who lack the discipline to not get attached?
Listen to your inner most concerns that you don't even want to verbalize. That's were the problems are. I remember the shock of when my now ex- wife told me about her 100 past lovers (after we had been dating a good while). I pondered the thought of "can a leopard chance its spots". Well, it can't.
The problem is when you're having sex with someone it's hard to think rationally. I didn't. Wish I could have.
Fuck fuck fuck, can't imagine the pain. This is fucking torture
Thanks for the empathy. The thing is it all WAS pure torture. I can still remember one night when I expressed a desire to make love. We were in bed early (a rarity). My wife was looking through some catalogues. She said if I could turn her on then ok. Well, I tried everything I knew. ...
Long story short she just continued to lay there reading her catalogue. She yawned even. After trying for a while with 0 respnonse I said screw this and gave up. It was the most humiliating sexual encounter I've had in my life.
If I could have understood TRP principles back then the situation would never have arisen. And if it had happened, I wouldn't have just meekly quit trying. I would have gone to the mat (verbally) and even ended the marriage then and there.
reading this hit hard for me. I found out my ex was having threesomes n shit after I broke up with her. several people told me she was cheating on me too....
never settle on a woman that has and will do more with thier exes.
If she did more than she does with you, it's because you haven't earned the status required in her eyes.
It's not her, it's you.
Your remark is 100% true. But it still is not a good idea to settle for such a woman. Significantly improving your SMV, especially when in an LTR, is a long and time consuming process. Chances are, by the time you are more desirable than her previous lovers, she's going to be old.
I never advocated doing so. I take Mark Manson's stance; "If she doesn't answer 'Fuck yes!' to a chance to see me, then I'll see her around."
Fucking perfect. I'm saving that one. I like it better than "you can fuck me or fuck you".
Here's a couple I keep close to the chest regarding abundance mentality:
"She's not yours, is only your turn" and "She was already gone the moment you met her".
How is "earning status" different from pandering?
Pandering will dry a woman out like toast. In fact, it's one thing that would cause her to restrict your access to her sexuality.
Earning status would be done by displaying higher value, exercising social influence around her, performing feats of strength around her, and if she is unaware of exactly how wealthy you are, then displaying some wealth would also count.
Big difference between earning and seeking.
The important word in your post was "will"
Chad leaves a permanent itch on their pussy
This is classic "Saving the Best" material: http://therationalmale.com/2013/12/03/saving-the-best/ Still the most chilling blog post I read on the Rational Male.
Damn. That poor bastard. I wonder what ever happened? Is there an archive of the OP's original post? The links to it now are dead. I'd love to read the comments, from what was said in TRP thread about the comments in his original thread, he grew some balls in those comments.
She knew she fucked up bad, and he was 100% correct. She just plain didn't want to fuck him. Nothing more. Nothing less. She just did not desire him in that way, he was just the safest guy for her to have a family with.
She never truly cared for him, she only truly cared for herself, and he was a the best means to that end.
I think the guy used as example in Rollo's blog post posted a sequel with a new nickname (so maybe was just a sock puppet).
If it was true the guy stuck around with the girl for at least a bit further, having negotiated that she had to do everything with him (and she was).
He had scheduled a 3-some (he had invited someone from his work, but she vetted that, he told her then you have to get someone, she got a friend). No news after that but I don't think it could have ended well.
Negotiated desire isn't genuine.
Wow....would have loved to read all that happened there.
Thanks for the update.
Fuck, the last line is like the straw that broke camels back. Off to the gym to build better back!
You know it's funny now, but when I wrote Saving The Best (which is yet another repeat of this very common story) I got run up the flagpole for that guy's story being a troll job, an isolated thing or simply untrue.
It is incumbent on a man to enter into anything like monogamy with a woman with his eyes wide open. There is a huge double standard that shames men for even being concerned with a woman's sexual history. The latent purpose of that shame is to keep you ignorant of the plan women's Hypergamy has for your role.
It's ugly. The harsh truth (like the guy in this link's story as well as Saving the Best) is women will readily bang the Alpha with the most minimal of his investment while making the Beta wait, making him feel bad for asking about that Alpha, making him invest himself wholesale into her very precarious control of Frame in order to get not even a half-measure of the genuine sexual desire she held for that Alpha.
When that truth is unignorable, even by the most rank of Blue Pill Beta men, that's when she falls back on ready rationalizations of personal conviction – she was so desperate for the Alpha's love she was willing to do all the kinky shit he demanded of her. None of that sexuality was her idea.
For all of the flaunting of Open Hypergamy this is the inconvenient, damning truths the FI hopes you will simply overlook because "we should all just grow up and accept how things are" or else shame you for being concerned with your own exploitation.
The ugly truth is that the sexual best you hoped the woman you've decided to spend the rest of your life with would give you was willingly, with abandon, given to her past Alpha lovers.
I can't know how these guys felt but I think the worst is not that the women in question did these things in the past, or even hid the truth (while keeping the proof around in many cases).
I think the worst for the guys in situations like these is that the women's "best" for them so clearly demonstrates: she doesn't genuinely desires him.
These pictures were physical, which is an anomaly; it's usually FB, IG, Twitter, Tumblr, Flickr, etc that busts these women.
I'm a firm believer that the internet and modern technology will be the two-headed monster that is the undoing of the last vestiges of Discreet Hypergamy. Two headed monster because these women simply cannot help themselves from collecting this online social validation, but at the same time, they are jeopardizing the Discreet Hypergamy that has worked for them for ages ad infinitum, by posting ever-persistent photo evidence of their sluttery.
This is why, as you have illustrated, women have just now in the last couple of years decided to go for broke and openly and wantonly embrace Open Hypergamy. They've subconsciously made a decision between keeping up the electronic validation seeking, or to protect Discreet Hypergamy, and they've obviously chosen the former.
And it's not hard to see why; they've rolled the dice on a gamble that the beta bux would keep on flowing, even if BB knew he was a BB, and the gamble has paid off big time. They got away with it, and they will continue to get away with it. Rare is the instance these BB's discover their snowflake's past debauchery and leave them over it. The thirst is simply too palpable.
The pictures were, "tragically documented," but yet Chad was kind enough to return them and that tragedy turned into a memory she just didn't want to forget.
If those pictures were such a got damned tragedy, she'd have burned them.
When will women understand that sex to men = a sign of love. When that sign is taken away, or even an epiphany about why certain sexual acts were denied, everything is questioned. It would be like a woman in an LTR who has a man who's distant that doesn't listen or talk to her, and only touches her to have sex, finds out her man goes to the neighbor lady's house after work every day to cuddle and talk about their day.
Seems obvious, but obviously isn't something they realize naturally, because vagina.
they know what they are doing. how could they possibly brag about it to their friends otherwise?
RP is useless if you lose your ability to place moral blame. If you look at a woman as anything morally equal to you, you'll lose her. Assume hypergamy will take her over at some point.
The comments section has some illustrative gender reversals:
And:
I was having trouble understanding RP thoughts & comments on the subject until your post.
I get it now, somewhat. thx
In the comments "He's just being insecure".Fuckin' wow!!
One day, I will make a thread.
It will consist of this same exact scenario, but reversed.
"So...today I found out that my boyfriend used to take his ex on cruises, romantic holiday get aways, fancy restaurants, resorts, you name it. But with me...I think we've been to outback once."
Etc etc.
Don't overdo it, and make sure you have a lot of fluff and woman-speak filler in there to make it more believable.
You could also add that you just spent your cash meaninglessly with other girls, but your much more frugal now and she WON you in the end. Complain that she should stop being so insecure. :-)
P. M. me or post it when you do it
Marriage is a tricky proposition at best when all the stars line up correctly. If you are sexually frustrated during engagement that's a big fucking problem.
If your fiancee won't get freaky deeky - DO NOT MARRY THAT BITCH - regardless of whether or not a Chad ever defiled her before you knew her.
This is it man - during the engagement a woman generally is doing the runner's kick to get to the finish line. She certainly doesn't want to fuck things up now - and if she doesn't want to get crazy sexy fun with you that's a HUGE RED FLAG.
I seriously don't know why guys put up with this shit. Are they so fucking desperate they think the little breadcumbs of pussy a former carousel riding narcissist may drop in exchange for the beta bux is better than no pussy at all?
No man should put up with that.
She should be worshipping your cock like a fervent fertility priestess. She should be all about it - down for whatever non-creepy shit you want to get playful with.
If you say "Honey I want to fuck you in the ass."
She should respond "OK just get me drunk and make sure you use lube" and while you're banging that ass she should be moaning "oh yeah fuck my ass."
She should be looking to make a time of it - not being a mega bitch about it. You're the guy she's going to marry - she should want to fuck you. If she doesn't - then you know you're just a beta bux to her. Fuck that noise.
Holy shit this is 100% pure textbook RP..
She basically admits she was super attracted to him but also not attracted to him. Completely bullshiting herself and everyone else. Her ex pulled dread game which got her into an extremely insecure mindset, he then turned her into his sex slave and she enjoyed it. Eventually he dumped her, and I can guarantee it was him who got rid of her because otherwise she would of definitely thrown away those pictures. She gets older, stops getting into relationships with super sexual Chads and ends up with her weak ass boyfriend. She had forgotten about her memento's of Chad until her BF ran across them. She doesn't want to lose the security of her weak BF, but she doesn't see him as a replacement for Chad and thus doesn't want to open herself sexually for him. He needs to just ditch her. Kick her out the house, if it's in his name, and start the RP path to get himself straight.
To all my RP brethren, this is why you always escalate your sexual interactions with plates. Always get them to do anal, threeways and all that crazy shit, even if your not 100% really into it. And if you want to LTR a chick, she better damn well do that stuff otherwise it's nothing but pain later.
This is why dread is needed and useful. I've been preaching it since ingestion: the anxiety a woman feels when her man is desired by other women is healthy. It keeps her focused on you, attracted to you, and happy. Yes, happy. She has a man desired by other women, which is all women ever really want. What other women think of you is more important than your bank account, your biceps, your looks, or your lifestyle.
Give a girl a choice between a good looking guy with a nice car who isn't desired by other women - especially those in her circle - or a guy who is a 5 and drives a cavalier, but is and desired by other women - especially those in her inner circle - and she takes the Cavalier guy 10 times out of 10.
Man constantly seeing women not understand these things guys feel is depressing. It's like they can't even begin to try to understand.
Oh well.
Solipsism is when you believe that your views and perspectives are the only ones possible. She feels what she feels, and doesn't feel what she doesn't feel - and she can't conceive of any other way.
Don't let this knowledge depress you. Instead, think how fortunate you are to be forearmed.
Take the fiance in this story, for example, do you see the mistake that he made? He tried to reason with her. He told her that he was hurt by what he saw. He naively expects her to say, "oh okay, yeah, that makes sense that you'd feel that way - tell you what, I'll kick it up a notch in the bedroom so that you don't feel that way anymore."
He fails! But you, armed with this knowledge, can predict that his response isn't going to get him what he desires. You can't make them understand. You have to make them feel.
When a woman feels attraction, her solipsism works in your favor. It's also useful (though I wont address the morality of it) to make her feel dread that you might leave. Regardless, feeling is what motivates her. Don't bother talking about it.
This is one of the most important things I learned on TRP and it has helped me so much. Always remember this when you are trying to reason with a woman!
Very good points. Thanks for provoking some thought.
Understand? I think that they understand.
They know that it's not in their best interests to admit these things.
Outliers aside, if a woman steps outside of her shield of plausible deniability she either thinks that she "holds all of the cards" in the situation, she is so worked-up that she is caught up in a purely emotional state*, or the benefits of going overt in the moment far outweigh the future protections plausible deniability would provide.
* Causing her to disregard her logical side which would normally be feeding her the consequences of her actions.
There have been a shit ton of alpha fucks, beta bucks examples lately.
This is not an accident. Understanding women's sexual strategy is the cornerstone of a man developing his own effective strategy
Once you truly understand what gives women the tingles, then the process becomes almost laughable, they want non needy masculine men with status
I think I'm going to start taking photos of Girls on their phone just so their loser husbands can find them years later.
It'll be my new hobby.
Yup, do it as a matter of policy. It's 'safer' when the pics are on her phone.
Then have her send the pics to you. But only tell her once. If she doesn't send them, she doesn't get to take new ones.
it doubles as proof of consent, have her take the photos, with her phone, and send them to you.
I forgot to mention that aspect - yep it's a critical element of legal defense; that and a text message or two later.
Fucking sad that it comes to this.
She kept the pictures. That is all you need to know about this situation. If she didn't enjoy these things she would not have kept the pictures.
I think this is a good barometer. If your wife did things in the past that she won't do with you, you might be a beta.... Take note, people.
Who the fuck keeps physical pictures of them and an ex going at it?
A chick who would rather rub her clit to those pictures than have sex with her current boyfriend or husband.
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What a lucky guy, they're only engaged. He can, I'm pretty sure, still dump her now WITHOUT consequence (and I hope that since he's only in his 20's, still find someone else) before he's trapped in a marriage with her in their mid 30's with several kids and she slowly cuts the sex down to MAYBE three times a year, if at all.
"Nobody wants a woman with dignity. You ever have a girl, when you're doing her doggy style, keeps trying to look back at you? What kind of shit is that?"-Patrice Oneal. lose the chick. She's been used up and is bitter about it. Dumb chicks nowadays don't know that you're supposed to lose your dignity with your husband/LTR, that way he still has intentions to keep her afterwards.. If she loses dignity to a stranger, they both lost something. He lost all respect for women, and she learned that she's not worth respect.. The red pill is a hard swallow even for women.
The more I read through this, the more I am sickened by this whore.
80% of women are like this nowadays
She only keeps those pictures of her doing those things to remind herself how much stronger she is now. Lol
It is sad, really. On one hand, sexual preferences can shift during lifetime. I used to like putting my dick in a woman's ass, now I find it kinda disgusting.
But with women you can never be sure if she really has changed her taste or if she is just using you as beta bux so she just does the minimum.
Of course if she's using "self-respect" as the explanation, you should probably bet on you being the beta bux.
Her "self-respect" wouldn't be an issue if she had the opportunity for a present-day clandestine rendezvous with Chad.
This is why its important to be your wife's first ,if you marry at all that is.
the funny thing is SHE LOVED getting dicked down in the ass and face fucked by chad. that's the funny part. her bf is a beta dweeb
Did the beta fiance asked her to do it with him? If he doesn't, he shouldnt expect the girl to do stuff like she did in college back then. He's crying over spilt milk. If he did but the girl in question rejected him, that is another story. Just my opinion.
If she actually desired him; he would not even have to ask, she would be doing it unprompted.
I think you're overstating it a bit. It's a man's responsibility to take charge and lead in the bedroom.
I've been with a few girls now who love anal, but they never mention it until I do (most of the time with a sigh of relief).
There are still some "Don't be a slut" cultural standards in full force, and women bringing up kinky/degrading bedroom practices would still break those.
Depends on the act in question and the context; having to beg repeatedly for something simple like even a blowjob or a particular position is an indicator that either she lacks desire to please, or is too repressed to please. Both are indicators that time would better be spent elsewhere instead of on her.
Can't break them in if they don't want to be broken in.
He did (for some things). She mentions deep in the comments that he asked about outfits (they did that), asked about anal and deepthroating (she refused) and then never asked about anything further.
She has a moment of insight and points out: "I guess maybe after I shot down anal and deepthroating he didn't bother asking about other stuff he thought I might think was too raunchy?"
OK The chick is clueless and the comment posters even more so. But in all likelihood, so is the guy in this story.
If he knew how to give her tingles or properly lead her / make things fun for her in the bedroom he would be doing all those things.
Her ex knew how to turn her on. He was uninhibited (as she puts it) and kinky and shameless.
She thinks it was a phase, it was not. It wasn’t ‘just experimenting’, it never is. She would do those things again tomorrow with the right guy and love it.
So her BF who she apparently "loves him endlessly" could be ending their relationship and she finds that "anxiety-inducing"...
Poor bastid... and he thought she really loved him....
Chris Rock has a bit about exactly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNFpQ9Nr1z4
If you hate sucking dick then you don't ever try to learn how to deep throat a cock.
That takes passion and a desire to be really good at something. She explored her sexuality and found she had a natural talent for taking a dick deep down her throat. Now she wants to convince her future beta bucks that it was all about self-esteem.
She's a god damn liar. Why would she keep the photos if she wasn't turned on by them?
Didn't even think about that. Ive taught plates how to deep throat, or maybe they act act like they don't know to front innocence; who the fuck knows anymore. It took some time for her to learn to do that shit right. it's not like you reluctantly do it once and suddenly know how to depth throat like a porn star.
This girl had dedication and was turned on so much she wanted to see how good she was at her new skill. She was so impressed she consciously organized and filed the highlight reels in her closet so whenever she gets sick of her bb she can reminisce on her Pro year achievements while slapping her clam.
Not only they limit their sex positions. They also dry up fast. Without lube it's impossible to finish off with a rubber.
I'm always amazed that people leave nude pictures and dirty conversations around unprotected. This subreddit wouldn't even be half as fun if people would actually protect their secrets.
How refreshing the mature woman is. I'm sure she's mature enough to understand why he has other girlfriends besides herself. I'm sure she's mature enough too to also understand that there's very little hope of a future with her. Ah maturity.
Sounds like a lot of rationalization to me...it kindof made me sick. What the guy should do is just pack up his shit and leave. Then she will do the only thing that she knows how to do to keep someone 'loving' her. Obviously it's not as callous or black and white as all that, but ... I assume that they have talked about what she will not do with him ... she should try it if he wants to try it. If she does not like it while they are trying it, it will be obvious to him that she is not enjoying herself, but at least he is satisfied that they tried it and it didn't work out. For her to not want to even TRY It says .... that this guy is a meal ticket and that's it. He needs to fucking leave.
Did it with her ex because she was scared of losing him but obviously isn't quite as attached to her current BF as he isn't worth doing these things for. He is absolutely right to be upset at finding out he isn't as important to her as the ex was, basically she is making it crystal clear that her current man is second best. Also, is it just me or is that subreddit some kind of blue pill headquarters?
Maybe I have been hanging out TRP too long.
Maybe after swallowing TRP a couple of years ago, the long term effects are now taking place.
Maybe I am just jaded.
But I find these posts funny. Really. I smile and think: "It's business as usual in this part of life called reality, because at the end of the day that's what TRP demonstrates, reality as-is no sugar coating.
I'm a little over a year into TRP and it's like I can see the script played out day to day in real time and know exactly what is going to happen.
I'm glad I was turned onto TRP but I wish it had happened many years ago.
Unless she has mountains of cash or something, this man better ditch her in a hurry.
So sorry, but not really sorry?
The "advice" supporting OP in that thread is hilarious, especially this gem: "I guess you didn't throw those pictures away cos to do that you'd have to think about those things, and you didn't want to do that, right?"
OP "hamsters furiously!"
This is why I date 18 year olds. Every year my campus is honored with 18 year old dumb, oblivious freshmen. It's so fun.
Dumb, obedient, perfect bodies, why don't girls stay 18 forever? Oh right they do you just have to keep trading in your model.
Best thing about 18 year olds. You get older and they stay the same age.
An excerpt from The Great Gatsby sums up my argument.
“I hope she'll be a fool -- that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool.”
What do you recommend for 18 year old men for whom sleeping with someone younger is illegal? Spin 18 year old plates?
Good luck keeping them when you are competing with an adult. TRP doesn't spend enough time trying to understand young men.
I am a law binding citizen and have my reputation on the line, I never cross the point with women where it I can be severely reprimanded. However, this excerpt sums it up pretty well. I'm 19, so it's not that hard competing, just follow the sidebar.
“I hope she'll be a fool -- that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool.”
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Even if what you were saying had any element of truth, what's wrong with being 18?
I think everyone in the archive's comments are kind of missing the point.
All the 'supportive' comments are saying "You shouldn't have to do anything you don't want and if he doesn't understand that, he doesn't deserve you".
All the 'real' comments are saying, "Yup, guy has every right to be pissed. Why'd you keep the photos if you didn't like it?".
Both are wrong. It's okay to try stuff and find out you don't like it. The point is, THE BOYFRIEND DIDN'T GET TO DO ANY OF THIS! He gets her after she gets off the CC and has already done all the wild things she wants to try.
I'm a Christian and I firmly believe this is one of the reasons that it's one man and one woman for life. Find a woman, marry her and fuck the shit out of each other. I don't get why women feel the need to 'experiment' when they are young and then settle down.
I realize some of this is not in keeping with TRP doctrine. A lot of the 'why' of TRP I don't agree with but the conclusions you come to are dead on.
Well, if we use the ol' intuition pump and combine that with the implications of your theology, it's because God instilled them with extremely powerful, innate instinctual desires to engage in the very type of debauchery the Bible shows so much disdain for.
AF/BB is in the source code. You wanna know why it was put there? You're gonna have to take that up with the programmer.
Forget all the noise, simple stuff. Dump the chic. Move on, she is not the one.
It's like I've seen this story dozens of times before. Because I have.
The woman always keeps videos and pics from her ex boyfriends and fuckbuddies. Why? That right there is the red flag. Why do you need this shit you disrespectful bitch? Seriously.
Then to insult a man like that, the man she supposedly loves. She keeps the souvenirs from the men she went all out for. Virtual cucking. Spitting in her fiancee's face. The worst.
And in case you thought this very common story was an outlier, here's yet another incident of the same thing:
http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/marriage-life-partnerships/525666-past-threesome-affecting-marriage-now-3.html
Whoa, I am bookmarking that. Clear evidence that guys never get over things like this.
He doesn't just feel that. He was all that.
He really was used, exploited and tricked and he was subjected to that since birth by the people he was supposed to trust.
It's not some kind of delusion.
You guys need to grow up. What she does sexually is her choice, it doesn't matter what she has done in the past.
I actually have to disagree with that lie in the OP. Women are actually telling the truth with the whole emotional connection. The truth is more subtle and probably much more painful. It's that women who do these things with different men just don't know how to maintain a connection. Now, if you just want to fuck, that's fine. Knock yourself out, have fun and go on your merry way. I wouldn't try building a relationship with someone who has proven that they can't build off of a connection though.
Past that, if she's that hung up sexually, she's probably a bad lay anyway. If they get along well, I'd just keep it at friends. Past that, on to the next one!
This is boils down for the usually stuff.
Female value. If you only value that you can bring to the table is sex, then you can be sure, someone will extract as many you can offer to him. And i'm sorry, but it's not the patriarchy's fault that you don't have a valuable personality.
And the value is gone when they give it away too easily.
Yes, you are right. Women do make an emotional connection to their alphas as soon as they get the tingles. Desire is deeper than emotion. "He makes me feel special, there is a spark between us, I'm so in love." All true.
Of course, this does not apply to ones who broke their ability to pair bond.
Sounds like she regrets this stuff somewhat. She's not that person anymore.
But hell. I'm going to keep the pictures.
"I thought that Being in a relationship meant doing anything for your partner"
Translates to: I was so turned on by my previous boyfriend at the time that I would do anything for him"
Translates to: I'm not as young or as attractive anymore therefore I had to get what I could and what I could get(you), doesn't turn me on like the type of guy I could get in my good days. Why would I do those things with you when I've already done them in my prime with a way better candidate? That actually offends and outrages me that you think I have a such a low SMV that I'd be willing to do those things with You. Doing anal with you would only make me regret the fact that I'm not doing it with Chad, which literally gives me PTSD and causes me to post in relationships forum.
Grow a pair and move on if this was disturbing. It isn't like there aren't a billion other women.
LOL at the deleted comments there
well im just surprised she hasn't mentioned him leaving yet, that's some fucked up shit.
She feels shity for doing anal.
Did anyone ask the chick why she still has the pictures if it were such a bad experience for her?
Obviously she kept them so she could look back and regale herself with her wildest memories of debauchery she so dearly wishes she could return to and she's just lying to him.
If she really had no interest in these things and was pressured to do them, all of that shit would have been burned in a trash barrel long ago. Women will cut photos up and viciously destroy symbols of that which they hate, regret, or disdain. They want to forget it, and anything that serves as a constant reminder must go. They keep that which they cherish because they want to hold on to the memories.
She should never make it past fiance status.
I honestly think I'd kill myself if that were me.
Fuck EVER getting married ever.
Not even once, not even once in your nightmares not once ever.
I hope youre joking. Why would you EVER kill yourself over some chick? Abundance mentality. You're worth more than some chick with bad judgement.
Fuck that ho bag. Either bang her the way you want to you or bang someone else. She cannot help or does not want to help her obviously fucked up self.
I wonder if her post wall mom would do it?
As someone who's been helped by the TRP before, who tries to defend TRP every now and then - cause really, i know youre not all this stupid - how can y'all be this stupid?
As anyone should be able to understand with a little bit of thought process. people can change their preferences in life. Were you the same person you were when you were 20? Do you expect a person's lifestyle and preferences to remain static for the rest of their lives?
People can do things they dont like, grow up and realize that's not who they are and decide not to continue. Anal and deepthroating are prime examples. Its not for everyone - And who their partner is could have nothing to do with that, and it may not reflect on their character whatsoever either.
But im sure some of you will simply assume that this alpha-beta dynamic is the end-all-be-all to how relationships work, and that if you do anal once you must always like it, or some other half-baked bullshit philosophy you assume applies to everyone.
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"... but I'm a little mad at the mentality that just because I did something with one person I have to do them with another..."
Uhh, it's not because you did them, it's because you kept a selfie porn stash of you doing them...why else would you keep them around if they didn't still turn you on?
The real tragedy here is her fiance probably never even tried anything kinky. If he did it was probably lightheartedly or asked politely once and never again afterward after she said "no".
Protip, if you want to get kinky with a women, just do it. You as a man have to completely own that shit (that's how women rationalize doing fucked up things in the sack, they blame it on the guy). The real trick is just using tact and escalating from there.
Want anal, play with her asshole and see where it goes. Want a bj, get a 69 going so your balls are resting nicely on her face (even if she pulls her face away, after a few minutes she will get with the program). You gotta just do it, because she's going to say no if you ask, that's just what women do.
pretty stoked i saved all the really freaky shit for my husband. no iudgement, just sayin'.
edit: and OMFG, never, ever, EVERRRRRR keep the pics. just dont. recipe for disaster.
Good thing he found this shit when she was a fiance and not his wife. Dodged a bullet there.
No doubt if this woman had a chance encounter with a Chad in the present day she wouldn't hesitate to do those kinky things of her youth...and then some.
Guys, you have no idea how much hatred these posts induce me... Gosh! Thank god I've found this sub in time. How can someone come to be so beta?
That's why you don't marry American women
As men, we can't truly understand what motivates a woman to do something like this. I would love to hear a woman's opinion about this issue. I already know what men think, lets get some women talking about this. Do women agree with her logic, and why? Have you done this before? Please educate me.
The whole point of this site sub is that we actually can, if we stop accepting the lies about the why.
You are joking right? You definitely are. Why would a woman's opinion help in anyway? Have you not paid attention to anything? Women themselves don't know why. They are ruled by tingles. Read the sidebar, put on your red frames and walk outside, observe male and female interaction. Once you have seen everything on here play out in real life, you will understand.
NEO couldn't see the Matrix, because he was inside of it. When he was brought outside of it, and finally saw it, it overwhelmed him.
Knowing the true nature of women can be mind boggling, but they have given us a roadmap to the kind of entity they are.....you need only take off your blue pill glasses and see that roadmap for what it is.
Yes we can , this subreddit explains it to us perfectly .
10/10 troll post for making me reply