All Guns Are Loaded

IllimitableMan · 2015-11-18T16:30:20+00:00

A lot of dudes don't understand AWALT because they haven't had many if ANY serious relationships. I'll listen to a player when it comes to hooking up, but the dude knows fuck all about female psychology beyond the attraction stage and so he's not really qualified to understand AWALT outside a seduction context.

A dude that's been in an LTR with one chick for 5 years knows more about women than a guy who's been hooking up with chicks and briefly plating for 5 years. The latter has mastered seduction, the prior actually knows more about the nature of what he's dealing with beyond the initial bedding stage because he's around for the bad and not just the good.

I find dudes who don't commit and just have short flings all the time have a very rosy-perception of women because they've got their game down enough not to face that much bullshit when it comes to getting laid, and beyond that they're not subject to any of the relationship bullshit. So they enjoy the best of what women have to offer without being subject to any of the bullshit and this gives them a hugely positive bias, as if men aren't wired to pedestalise pussy anyway. They go around thinking "hey women are great, I love fucking em and flirting with em, those dudes saying AWALT on TRP are just bitter."

Maybe some dudes are bitter, bitter doesn't mean wrong.

If you put "all" in front of anything, you're wrong, there is going to be an exception somewhere, but the exception proves the rule.

AWALT is a quick way of saying a lot in a few words:

99.9% of women 99.9% of the time prefer emotion to logic
99.9% of women 99.9% of the time will betray you for a better option, loyal only to power
99.9% of women 99.9% of the time have very little emotional self-control
99.9% of women 99.9% of the time behave like children

No that list isn't exhaustive. And just because a chick doesn't betray you one time, or doesn't get overly emotional over nothing one time - doesn't mean she doesn't have a propensity to do this most of the time. If you literally hand pick a girl's best moments, you can disprove every fundamental of AWALT - but that's not intellectually honest nor representative. AWALT is imperfect, but it is representative.

Just because you're designed to put women on a pedestal and see them as greater than they are due to your biological imperative to fuck them, doesn't mean they aren't any of these things.

If you knew a dude who were these things, you'd hate him, cuss him out and mock him. But women get a free pass for commonly exhibiting traits we collectively hate. Why? We're literally hard-wired to give bitches a free pass and overlook their flaws. No matter how shitty women are, dudes just want to enjoy them, they JUST want to be happy, so they deny certain truths or EXEMPT one particular woman they wish to enjoy in order to facilitate this desire.

This is why people hate AWALT even if they know in their heart of hearts its absolutely fundamentally true. Instinct obscures truth when it comes to the study of women, men are overridden by idealism, lust and paternalism and feel if they accept the nature of women that they have to hate them as a result and then they won't be able to enjoy them. Not true at all, sometimes you just have to accept reality is not what you want it to be, that women are not angelic like you were taught they were, but in fact far more flawed than even you.

Then in spite of this knowledge, you have to make a commitment to your own happiness and make the best out of the flawed creatures that are women. AWALT means: hey, women possess a bunch of shitty traits we hate that vary only by degree rather than presence among women, but now you have to enjoy them in spite of this!

I know that isn't easy, I know it's hard, and I know the knowledge is painful - that's why dudes struggle with this. But your struggle doesn't alter her nature, you can sit on reddit until you pass out debating pedantic little points in regard to AWALT, but AWALT will remain a truism that persists.

On the topic of enjoying things that are fucked up, I know my tuna is polluted with mercury because these fucking third world countries dump all their factory waste into the ocean, yet I still enjoy my tuna. Not quite the same I know, but it's an example that something can be far from perfect yet still provide happiness. Ultimately the reason dudes are resistant to AWALT is because they see it as a threat to their happiness.

The inability to grasp and ACCEPT AWALT, instead choosing to REJECT AWALT out of autistic pedanticism is no more than a sign that the person in question has to lie about the nature of women to themselves in order to like and enjoy them. They are not at the stage where they can enjoy women WHILST ACCEPTING HOW FLAWED AND FUCKED UP THEY ARE.

If you don't think women are fucked up because your perception is clouded by idealism, you're not red pill. Likewise if you think you're going to be happy without any women in your life, chances are you won't be - at least not if you're family orientated. Love 'em or hate 'em, ya need 'em - and they need you even more.

It honestly bewilders me how autistic and retarded some people are as to take the word ALWAYS, miss the forest for the trees and fucking run with it.

Any time I've popped my head in purplepilldebate for a quick minute I've seen constant bickering over this.

How hard is it to understand?

AWALT is saying "women will be women, and this is what women are like."

Sometimes you will be surprised, but you shouldn't live like you expect to be surprised, you should live being aware of the nature of the creature you're dealing with. AWALT is a heuristic, an extremely accurate one at that, you can live by it and have a great life. You don't need to be right 100% of the time to enjoy life, being right the majority of the time is just as effective. You know what is less effective? constantly convincing yourself you're in possession of a woman who is part of the negligible .01% and that these are the only women you can give yourself permission to love. This is a recipe for misery!

Sometimes a women apologises to me and admits she is wrong for something she said or did, when this happens I am pleasantly surprised but this doesn't mean "oh, looks like this woman isn't part of the 99.9% of women who won't take responsibility for anything!" because most of the time, SHE DOES blame shift. The .1% of the women are those who, in this one particular facet RARELY BLAME SHIFT. And even if a woman is part of the .1% in that one aspect, she may be part of the 99.9% in all the other aspects, such as little emotional self-control, disloyal etc.

AWALT is immutable, I think most guys simply can't and don't want to accept it, somewhere in the back of their head they want to think their unicorn is out there, that they'll find a chick who is in the .1% of all the qualities we despise in women, lock her down and not have her leave. It's fucking bullshit.

NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT · 2015-11-18T13:41:54+00:00

Also, I just want to say that anybody that uses a heuristic as an accurate representation of reality is a moron. If you walk up to a colleague and say things like "yeah, all women are like that", it's no different from saying "You lent Bob your money? Wow, you're an idiot, nobody returns money!"

That's stupid. Don't do that. Appreciate the utility of the concept without internalizing it as an accurate representation of reality.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-11-18T14:51:01+00:00

All Guns Are Loaded - Very good idea.

I'd add that just as now we realize that AWALT, in the past (with Marriage 1.0) the contract was reversed and women felt themselves as being limited in their actions because a divorce could put them out in the street and forced into prostitutuion or to become an Old Maid.

The "big picture" needs to be understood for what it is.

We live in a time when no one or no nation has sovereignty.

So everything is decomposing into fluid and atomized little bits.

In this chaotic environment all the pre-existing inhibitions to hypergamy have been lifted, so we have naked hypergamy.

Assume "All Guns Are Loaded" and hypergamy is the default.

Chaos rules these days, not order.

Don't dream of order that doesn't exist anymore.

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Code_Bordeauxx · 2015-11-18T14:49:59+00:00

Indeed. AWALT serves as a warning first and foremost: proceed cautiously. But it can't be said enough that the 'that' in AWALT 1) only speaks of tendencies, not actual outcome and 2) only applies to a limited set of traits that women share.

In other words: no, it is not a statistical certainty that your girl will cheat on you. no, not all women are narcissistic brats (though they come in sheer numbers) and no, not all women are incapable of logical reasoning (far from it). I could continue.

But the warning remains. Until you can reasonably verfiy that a girl is mentally well and has her disruptive tendencies under control, assume this is not the case. And even if you found a quality girl with whom you can lower your guard somewhat, never show weakness and never become so invested that you can't walk out on her. That should be the mentality, that should be the takeaway.

RPTA9000 · 2015-11-18T14:39:54+00:00

I agree with your post, good content. Would like to piggy back, provide an alternate interpretation of AWALT. It's not AWAT (all women ARE that), it's AWALT (all women are LIKE that). I make the distinction because we're not saying all women ARE lying cheating branch-swinging emotionally manipulative creatures. We're saying that due to their biology and evolutionary and cultural pressures, they all have the POTENTIAL to be those things, if placed in the right situation. It's the other side of the coin to "there are no unicorns". If you went full beta, got fat, lost your job, gave in to her every whim, poured out your emotions, became a vulnerable weak man in her eyes, and millionaire celebrity Chad started sniffing around, even the most red-pilled loyal, loving, unicorn-y woman in the world will do what her nature tells her to do. If you let down your end of the bargain, and/or she's in a situation where there is advantage for her to act like that, there is the potential in every woman to do so. All women are LIKE that.

Garconanokin · 2015-11-18T20:47:58+00:00

In the same vain-- there's no such thing as a woman on birth control. Not in my world.

FLFTW16 · 2015-11-18T16:01:23+00:00

Another heuristic I see around the internet is "around blacks never relax." A few blacks are award winning genius astrophysicists, but a much larger number of them are low-IQ thugs who have spent time in prison and think playing the knockout game is just a hilarious use of their time. Protect yourself. Don't become a statistic.

In healthcare, "every patient has HIV" is the safety heuristic. This might not be as shocking to the younger generation because treatments have gotten so much better, but for most of us growing up HIV == death sentence. In healthcare you learn proper safety procedures to minimize risk of exposure and accidental transmission.

"AWALT" because I don't want to be another divorce statistic or family court victim.

Stythe · 2015-11-18T17:54:54+00:00

Sayings are sayings to remind the inexperienced to be careful, not necessarily to be taken literally

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T21:23:27+00:00

Excellent post, OP... but...

Why should I be afraid to overgeneralize or paint with too broad a brush when I literally can't think of one exception to AWALT? Not one.

Part of blue pill conditioning is to get people (especially men) to disregard their own observations in favor of a larger, unrealistic narrative. Much of this is accomplished by film and television...we "observe" so much untruth in film and television... We "observe" the nice guy getting the hot girl. We "observe" women who are strong and decisive leaders. We "observe" that men who are strong leaders are the villains. These "observations" outnumber real life observations a thousand fold.

But thinking about my actual life experience... I can't think of one girl or woman in my 40 plus years of life on this Earth to whom AWALT does not apply. Not a single one.

This false idea of what women actually are and what they are capable of persists because all those countless observations of untruth add up to form an incorrect worldview. Sure we can look at a movie and go, "that's not real life" ...but when we stop thinking about it and move onto something else, the media bombardment continues.

And the bombardment is everywhere...

...at home, when your family has the TV on too loud, and it's always people yelling and making noise, all those independent, smart, strong females who aren't real but the product of some screenwriter's imagination and some cute actresses performance,

...at work with all the female primary HR policies and programs that push the message of you-go-grrrlism, unrelated to the actual business of making widgets or whatever the business is,

...at the store...every store you go to...where the music is just a little too loud and it's always some emo mangina singing about how some bitch is "my everything,"

...at the gym, where you go to get swole but they are always trying to shill some pink female empowerment with the TV screens always on, while taking away the heavy equipment and demonizing strength,

...at the bar, when you just want to have a beer and watch the game and all the footballers are wearing pink, and all the ads cater to women,

...at Church, where you go seeking God and fulfillment and get nothing but the same milquetoast propaganda, and you look around at all the men and they are weak looking nice guys and there's not one alpha in the bunch,

...at the gas pump for crying out loud! They have those little TVs built into the pump!

Always a little too loud ....always too persistent. Orwell's telescreen pales by comparison. All designed as a social brute force attack on your psyche to overwhelm and push out all of our real life observations that we should otherwise trust.

Turning those messages off is part of unplugging from the Matrix. You need to stop and think...

Think of every girl or woman you know in real life, ...that you have seen and spoken to in person. Is there any one of them to whom AWALT does not apply?

Tarnsman4Life · 2015-11-18T17:33:33+00:00

The consequences of assuming or toying with a gun like it is not loaded can be devistating and life altering. The consequences of assuming NAWALT can be the same, while you may not literally be shot you can be divorce raped, publicly humiliated, exposed to STD's, jailed for false abuse claims, ruined professionally by false accusations or just plain cucked.

AWALT is an over simplification that works because assuming AWALT is a better life course than trying to carve out a special exemption for that one special little snow flake who ends up giving you the clap, leaving you, taking 3/4 of your money, the kids and having you locked up on false charges.

bsutansalt · 2015-11-18T21:21:10+00:00

♂ This is pretty solid. Stickied.

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T14:17:45+00:00

like you said, its not meant to describe all minute details of their behaviour.

i see AWALT helping people in two ways

firstly its to smash the commonly held belief that people have now that if you find a nice girl and are "good" to her, she will love you the same and never cheat. She will always cheat given the right circumstances, and she will always view beta behaviour (subconsciously at least) with disgust and lower her opinion of you

second its to highlight the hypergamous nature of all women, and even if she is WITH you she won't hesitate to branch swing when she sees it as advantageous for her.

MattyAnon · 2015-11-18T16:37:34+00:00

Also, you can also assume that 'AMALT' with regards to all sorts of negative and damaging behavior, too

Of course. And society is full of AMALT and #yesallmen and blatant misandry. We are better than we are portrayed. Our positive attributes are downplayed, and masculinity itself has a bad rep.

Women on the other hand (thanks to the Women Are Wonderful effect) are worse than they are portrayed, and we are setting the record straight on this. All women share exactly the same biological drives and have the same capabilities. There are variations of course (but they vary statistically less than men do - women have a narrower statistical deviation on all features except perhaps breast size). As you say - all guns are loaded.

This is a meditation on how to avoid getting into nasty situations.

AWALT itself is to avoid getting into nasty situation.

It is important that men (yes, all men!) understand that women (yes, all women!) are pursuing an AF/BB strategy. This is not obvious nor credible to most men, because women hide and obscure it. They do not "grow up and realise what's good for them" as my mother always told me. They grow old and get scared and look for someone else to support them who they are not actually attracted to and will never appreciate. Not "some women", not "most women", not "most women but not my little ex-whore reformed-nicegirl unicorn snowflake", but AWALT.

As with international diplomacy - respond to their capabilities, not what they say.

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T18:04:10+00:00

Good post OP, this is a good way to explain it to other people.

PantsonFire1234 · 2015-11-18T23:47:00+00:00

From what I learned over here love isn't a real thing. Infatuation is and this is why the first couple of months are incredible and the girl sticks around.

You can love your family deeply, your children. Even your childhood friends are up there. You can trust these within reasonable parameters depending on their character. Again, you can trust men more than females (except for your mom).

The sad truth is that if you love to deeply in your relationship you are setting yourself up for a train-wreck. An inevitable collision that a woman is far better equipped at to recover from than a men (War Brides, The Rational Male).

Either your woman is so far bellow your SMV that she maintains the smoke and mirrors or she is close to your SMV and you will eventually hit a brick wall. Back in the day there used to be fail saves but with recent social media, mobile phones and the likes it's easier than ever for a girl to get in touch with a guy.

Women have forced men into a corner and the only way to combat this is to put your emotional involvement on a low burner. Enjoy the sex and her presence and bail when your gut tells you to.

Philhelm · 2015-11-19T01:12:53+00:00

I simply view AWALT to be like "kinetic energy" and "potential energy," like you all may have learned about in physics regarding gravity. An example of kinetic energy is when a ball on a shelf falls and is pulled to the ground by gravity. An example of potential energy is when a ball is simply resting upon a shelf while gravity is still exerted upon it.

Sure, maybe not all women will do the things we talk about, but all women have it in them to do so under the right circumstances; a "gravitational force" pulls against them despite what they may or may not do.

IPayDoubleForThat · 2015-11-19T05:13:32+00:00

I think I saw a post about comments not contributing content or offering insight/good conversation being removed, but I would like to say insightful posts like this and the comments that follow instill the fact that TRP better arms men with knowledge that they need and must have. Hopefully this isn't view as a "awesome post bro" comment but it is. Thank you for imparting this on all of the TRP followers.

NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT · 2015-11-18T14:26:25+00:00

Glad to see a post here on TRP which doesn't boil down to 'lift, you slacker'

Rasalom72 · 2015-11-18T14:59:45+00:00

We've seen this idea presented before, but a refresher for new guys is always nice.

However, you have to realize that you can assume that AGAL, and AWALT, but each individual situation is different. Because we are talking about a wide range of situations, we use generalities.

I know that MY gun is not loaded, because I unloaded it myself. I stripped it, cleaned it, reassembled it, and locked it up.

The main difference between a gun and a woman is that the gun has no ability to act independantly of me. If I put it down, it's not going to rob a bank on it's own and leave me holding the bag.

dicklord_airplane · 2015-11-18T16:41:28+00:00

i understand the criticism of the red pill and PUA because whenever you open up these forums, you see a shit load of discussion about the absolute worst types of women in the world. hell, that's all that yall talk about on this particular subreddit. however, it's good for naive and young people to read because getting involved with the wrong type of woman could totally ruin your life.

What people don't understand about the manosphere is that we are sharing info on how to avoid the absolute worst case scenarios. obviously, not all women have the kind of attitude that will cause them to ruin a man's life. however, some women are abusive and manipulative and they do go around fucking up other people's lives, and young men need to be taught how to identify them and how to deal with them.

everyone knows that we should be wary of men for a variety of reasons, but so many people are indoctrinated with extremely starry-eyed sexist beliefs that cause them to deny that women are also capable of abuse, deceit, and negligence. to dispel those risky beliefs, men must discuss the uncomfortable experiences they've had with women so that other men might learn from their experience.

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T17:56:44+00:00

Why do we assume all guns are loaded? - Because it is a GUN

Why do we assume all women are like that? - Because it is a WOMAN

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T18:19:32+00:00

my campus has rape phones all over. AMALT meet AWALT.

NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT · 2015-11-19T06:26:31+00:00

OP writes like a Singaporean, username checks out too.

whenfoom · 2015-11-18T17:53:37+00:00

Right. It's a question of "exposure." Let's say someone took the clip out of the gun and set it on a table and started pointing it at you, about to pull the trigger in play. (Isn't that how Bruce Lee's son died?) You could get a slight gain in fun by having a realistic prop. But you also have the exposure to death. Minimum upside, maximum downside.

I'd say the reason some people don't like the AWALT perspective is because it doesn't offer the minimum upside that treating a women like a NAWALT does. NAWALTing a girl can give you a - what seems like - very high upside (all the great feelings that snare us in oneitis). Even though it exposes you to a very low downside.

On the other hand, AWALT comes with what many would consider a minimum downside (not believing any woman is eternally in love with you, or even able to be), but limits exposure to greater loses.

To recap: NAWALT has a greater positive exposure (finding a girl who you believe is the One who then doesn't cuck or divorce rape you) and a greater negative exposure (getting cuck'd and divorce raped). While AWALT doesn't give any positive exposure, but instead limits the exposure to substantial negative loss by imposing a "cold harsh reality" view on all women all the time - which many would describe as a cost.

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T22:13:21+00:00

This is a wonderful, exemplary post. And the comments are even better. I've never brought up this concept but I do know it is true. I've been in a relationship with the same girl for 4 years now with absolutely no problems. She's gotten angry once over some bullshit problem. I ignored her. I talked to other girls. I went to a Hollywood event with models and boasted about it. She was over it faster than I've ever seen her emotions move. The red pill taught me how to have a successful LTR, and reminded me that any decisions I make are mine. If this girl leaves me or cheats on me (though I know she knows she'd be an idiot to do so) then the emotional pain is on me, and with that in mind, I have absolutely no worries about where this will go. All previous girlfriends were so massively different. Then I found the red pill and AWALT, and I haven't looked back.

[deleted] · 2015-11-18T23:48:24+00:00

Saying NAWALT is the equivalent of saying that not all lions want to eat my face. Sure, maybe not, but I'm still not going to stick my head into a lion's mouth.

Hokuto199x · 2015-11-19T01:05:07+00:00

AWALT is true enough to be useful in most situations, in a practical sense. The loaded gun is an interesting analogy because the goal is to say: it's more useful to you in your daily life to assume this is the case.

wittymore · 2015-11-19T01:24:09+00:00

Ultimately, and how AWALT makes sense to me personally, it's about preventing fear and vulnerability.

You have to live fully, otherwise life doesn't make sense. That means loving fully when you love, enjoying fully when you enjoy. You can only do this coming from a place of strength, of personal power...otherwise the actions of others may take away from how you experience your life.

AWALT teaches us there may be threats on the horizon. But it's only the first step. In order to live fully (and freely) you have to grow up to the point where the threat can no longer damage you. It no longer is a threat at all. AWALT, simply the way it is...so don't build your happiness on the actions of others.

Do that. And nothing stands in the way between you and your happiness. Learn that when a woman acts according to her programming, it's not the end of the world. You can commit to a woman should you like, but don't make that commitment the highlight of your existence.

NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT · 2015-11-19T03:41:27+00:00

Nice post.

My question to you is that, knowing what guns are capable of, why on earth would you have the incentive to play with one? Back when you were naive, had an ideal view of the world, you might see the value is playing with guns... But now that we know better, what's the point.

As you say, better safe than sorry. Assuming that all guns are loaded and AWALT, why should we even bother?

PandaMania3 · 2015-11-19T03:42:39+00:00

This is Gold OP. It's one of the best reminder to guys who got burned before by Woman thinking that they have found a Unicorn.

Sadly speaking on this Island we both come from, it's difficult for many to fathom it. Society still pushes more for Betabux to fulfill their agenda. You can't get the people to do what they want if there is no dream they can't pursue.

[deleted] · 2015-11-19T05:21:01+00:00

Excellent post. This analogy will stick with me.

BlueFreedom420 · 2015-11-19T09:51:53+00:00

Wasn't there a official TRP post that said that people who have a problem with AWALT are sperglords?

[deleted] · 2015-11-19T10:25:12+00:00

Great post but let's not ditch AWALT, it's a great litmus test to distract people from looking closer at TRP.

pluvoaz · 2015-11-20T13:42:29+00:00

Oddly enough I made this same analogy 10 days ago & got scolded by some white knight who spends too much time playing League of Legends. The thread as whole got lots of love though.

Gawernator · 2015-11-20T16:09:34+00:00

As an avid shooter and military man I loved your analogy!

DoxasticPoo · 2015-12-02T18:34:36+00:00

I disagree. When I think of AWALT I add a dimension for degree.

Just like all men are horny. We're all like that. But it doesn't mean we'll all cheat on our wife and ruin our family... Some will, but not all.

But we all would probably think about it. The difference is some of us have self-control and stop that sort of thing.

AWALT means exactly what it says. Except SOME women aren't as bad as others. And SOME women have better self-control than others.

I think in today's world what we're seeing is a lack of self-control, which is why AWALT seems more and more to be true.

So, to use the gun analogy, all guns are loaded. But some have a self-controlled safety and some don't.

SexistFlyingPig · 2015-11-18T18:14:31+00:00

I've encountered guns that weren't loaded.

I haven't encountered a woman for whom The Red Pill doesn't apply.

The_TRP_Account · 2015-11-19T01:23:38+00:00

If you truly believe all guns are always loaded, you'll never be able to strip and clean it.

Borsao66 · 2015-11-18T15:31:34+00:00

As a firearms professional, I hate that fucking rule. IE: "All guns are loaded.". It caters to the lowest common denominator of firearms training.

The way Pat McNamara explains his version of the infamous "Rule 1" is to say, "Know the status of YOUR weapon.". I can then treat everyone else's weapon as if it were loaded.

For me, I try hard to remember that I can only worry about controlling the controllables. Which is me, and if I'm serious about a woman, verifying her "status" as it were.

On a side note, I heard a great saying once. "Point a gun at me by accident once, I'll put you in your place. Point it at me again, and I'll assume you want to be in a gun fight with me.". LOL

tallwheel · 2015-11-19T03:21:04+00:00

You could have at least waited longer than 3 months to reword /u/JP_Whoregan 's post.

https://archive.is/cKLBN

SnickeringBear · 2015-11-18T19:37:56+00:00

AGALSGAC - All Guns Are Loaded, Some Guns Are Cocked

AWALTSWAW - All Women Are Like That, Some Women Are Worse.

AWALTIVID - All Women Are Like That, It Varies In Degree

You can easily do similar for AMALTSMA?

Spidertech500 · 2015-11-18T23:07:55+00:00

This is very well written, good job

diamondbutcher · 2015-11-18T18:02:50+00:00

You know what would be awesome? If you didnt assume the reader knew what awalt meant and had the ability to look it up in the side bar. Seems like a good post, but cant tell the context w.o this key piece of info bud

Title	All Guns Are Loaded
Author	NO_LAH_WHERE_GOT
Upvotes	895
Comments	133
Date	18 November 2015 01:38 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/38231
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3tajrx/all_guns_are_loaded/