I don't like being a contrarian, but I try and exist as a moderation for the extreme nature of what we do here. It's a shit job, I get trolled and yelled at by both sides---Blue pill trolls who don't like my traditional conservatism and Red pill Fanatics who want anger and vitriol at women to be the norm---but I feel it's necessary.
I say that because lately there's been a lot of success around here sexually and then men blaming it on women being sluts. This is wrong for a multitude of reasons but I'm here for the most important of them.
1.Blaming others for your success is worse than blaming others for your failures. It removes all responsibility and credit for one's hard work, a cruelty and vulgarity beyond measure.
She fucked you because you're awesome, because you demonstrated your worth and value and made sure she felt she could do no better. It wasn't fate or destiny or(god forbid!) luck, these are just words women and children attach to things they can't possibly comprehend because the world has agency over them.
2.Women like to have sex. Duh. It's the first lesson a red pill man learns. Women are capable of multiple orgasms and when combined with hypergamy, makes them capable of endless sexual desire.
This does not make every woman a slut. I've slept with women fresh off their first high school boyfriend, 1 count on their belt, and after 3 weeks with me they're willing to accomodate any of my sexual desires.
Return to #1. I'm awesome. I'm confident in my wants and desires and because women garner happiness from pleasing men they deem worthy, they do things I like doing.
3.Self Control is the single most attractive trait in women. period. It is the single most important quality for you to weed out during dates and hang outs. Self control.
See if she orders another slice of cake. See if she can maintain a diet and workout. Give her chances to escape her self control. It doesn't matter how long it takes for you to feel satisfied, do it.
What a slut is, is a woman without self control. It's not that a woman sucks a man's dick, it's that she sucked his dick when she didn't want to, she just couldn't control herself.
I used to not believe it, thought all women were liars, but then I saw it for myself; I saw a woman who genuinely didn't want to fuck me, but I was on my A Game, I was on the perfect blend of molly and scotch and coke, I felt like God and acted like his father.
She shit test me like no woman before, she wanted so badly to prove I wasn't better than her man, that she could knock me off my pedestal, but she couldn't. I pitched a perfect game and there was nothing she could do about it.
I can say for 100% certainty she didn't want to fuck me when the night started. She didn't come out looking to fuck anyone. Her problem was that she didn't have enough self control.
Self control is the basis if loyalty and honor, which, as we've discussed, are male traits. Fathers exist to teach these lessons to their sons and daughters----which is why I also warn men to only date women after you've met her dad and sized him up.
You as a man must demonstrate these traits to the world for it has no clue what they are without such examples. A lot of men are lazy, they want to be men but don't want to put in the work it takes. They don't want to have to be the oak that people lean on for support.
And guess what? That's ok. You don't have to be a man in 2016. You can join rappers and hipsters and lesbians and just be well crafted facsimiles of them, caricatures of what men are supposed to be based on television and movies.
Just don't get mad and vent about how women aren't women anymore. It makes you look feminine.
This is really important to me. I didn't see that my last girlfriend had a lack of self control until she took it wayyyy past boundaries. These traits won't go unnoticed again.
i will be making a topic about this this weekend.
the small things that go unnoticed by men until it's too late.
Or you notice it but hamster it away due to sunk cost fallacy and a lack of abundance mentality.
^ This.
OP has a good point. A slut is anyone who has no self control. Man or woman. Women who give up sex when they don't want to are like men who give up commitment when they don't want to. Well ok maybe they want to but giving up that commitment when it's not in their best interests is what makes a man a slut.
A man who puts a ring on it because he's spent 2-5 years with some woman already and had her cheat on him once before is a slut and is being doomed by the sunk cost fallacy.
You learned your lesson, which is more than most can say. "Maybe if I just try really hard and show her how much I reeeeallly care she won't go fuck Chad again"
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Your fault for letting it get that far. As a man, it's your job to define the relationship. Sure she took it too far but women, in general, have no agency. Thus they aren't responsible for their actions. Just like parents are at fault for their bad children.
"You gotta let them know what kind of guy you are, then they'll know what kind of girl to be” -Ken (Mad Men)
Isn't it funny how this sub has gone to shit when literally TRP101 is downvoted? There's this thing called existentialism. It's your job as a man to provide agency for those who lack it, ie women
Those who join a group because of its popularity, are followers, and followers usually need someone stronger (mentally) to create the path.
I will note that a non-nuanced reading of your post does place blame on males for any action of a female. However (and correct me if I'm wrong), your post states that when men give power to a women, men are responsible for the consequences. Ex: man give woman money for gas, woman spends it on fast food-> man is responsible for allowing the woman to misallocate the money.
You're right for the most part. Maybe I've been getting a little too misogynistic recently: whenever I meet women now it's literally like they're animals. I'm the one deciding how things go in every decision.
I think where I messed up was thinking just because women love to give up agency and just follow doesn't necessarily mean they don't have it. They just hate using it.
I actually thank you for evolving my world view today.
You didn't get downvoted because you were wrong. You got downvoted because it was an unnecessary comment. He knew he fucked up, mentioned he learned from it. Saying it was his fault when he knew it's his fault is just posting for the sake of posting.
I found this to be SO fucking true. I tell girls off the bat I'm not looking for anything serious (i.e. I can play) and they are okay with playing with me.
Nope, that's her job. That's sidebar shit.
Both sexes can define the relationship by their willingness to walk away. Men hold commitment, women hold sex. Neither sex can define a relationship (this would be slavery).
Try again, buddy. Maybe in another year you'll understand the red pill.
Gender role shaming? Take that feminist bullshit back to SRS faggot
There is no shaming, /u/IAMAwhitecismaleAMA only stated that a man is responsible for the consequences of his actions- in this case, allowing a female too much power in the relationship.
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/u/IAMAwhitecismaleAMA did not assign blame to a man for a woman lacking agency.
/u/IAMAwhitecismaleAMA did assign blame to a man for allowing a woman's lack of agency to affect a man.
This says that it's a man's fault for allowing a women to affect a man's property/self.
Again, /u/IAMAwhitecismaleAMA is speaking of a woman's actions with power given to her by a man. Thus, the consequences of her actions, on his property/self, is his responsibility.
Again, parental fault is based on privileges granted to the children by the parents.
You keep saying sexist as though it's the real problem. But reality is sexist.
Oh, you're so so wrong. If you're doing it right, the women/woman in your relationships have long ago given you their agency. Which is why they are the dirtiest girls in bed. They do whatever the fuck you want. If/When you start sliding, they start taking that agency back and you start being the one giving her your agency. That's where a majority of us in TRP come from.
You did get the part of you can only control yourself right. But you're not always only responsible for yourself.
Implying you have no control over your kids? You know that you can control people right?
You have clearly not digested the red pill so lurk until you do, boy.
And sexism is a reality. Men and women are different. Go away until you realize that.
You're seeing thing lol where am I shaming anyone? Just telling it how it is.
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Nope. Women and children do not have agency. Even some low-T males don't have it. They're dependant on their programming. Lurk until you figure this out.
No it doesn't. The man leads all the moves. The woman follows.
Women are not to be blamed (that's called the anger phase, MGTOW) for their lack of agency. Just accept it and act accordingly.
There's a double standard for a reason. Men are held to a higher standard than women are because women are children.
That's not why he's being downvoted at all. I'm assuming you're new here, but it's a common idea in TRP that "Women are like the most mature teenagers in the room" and actually does presuppose that they cannot act like adults most of the time and thus, the man must. That's exactly TRPs view. Men and women are different, sexism is real.
It can argued that the equivalent of a slut (a woman without self-control) is a nice guy beta (a man without self-control).
Just as how the slut has no respect for herself and continuously does things that she isn't 100% comfortable with, the nice guy keeps his mouth shut as he allows people to walk all over him.
The Red Pill has done a great job helping me realise this and setting me straight. The quality of the men in my life has increased immeasurably. I hope that the same will be true of the women in my life. I'm of the opinion that like-minded people attract each other, so who knows
Women are sluts with their body
Men are sluts with their time.
Betas are just Time Hoes.
Times Hoes. Haha
That sounds like a name of a Time Traveler-themed porn
patrice oneal came up with it(rip to the legend)
and it's perfect
The logic here seems to be that a slut is one who cannot control their actions and is unaware of his value (lack of self esteem).
I disagree. A nice guy does control his actions. He controls himself under the belief that it is proper to do so and will make people like him.
But humans don't connect with other people based on logic. They use their instincts to see if the other person is worthy. So even if you know some guy is logically a really valuable person unless he doesn't tap into that instinctual part of your brain you won't connect with him emotionally.
This belief is founded when a man deals with civilized people (equal rights, usually of personal autonomy). And this is why females don't qualify as civilized.
This is where mankind has progressed- we are no longer trapped to emotional decision-making. We can deal without emotional bonds- we can value each other based on the amount of money we grant each other. Money may be the equivalent of goodwill. Goodwill is for small societies, money is for large societies.
Did you literally just imply evolution does not exist? Holy. Shit. Humans literally make all their decisions based on emotions. Even logic decisions are based on what feels right in that mindspace in that moment in time.
A woman will not sleep with you for free without an emotional bond. Even casual sex is because she wants emotion for that night.
Literally Im14andthisisdeep. When did this sub turn to garbage?
I am not implying that evolution does not exist, I am stating that humans make decisions in two ways: instinctually and logically. Decisions are usually a combination of both, but saying that logical decisions don't exist is denying free will.
Women and men are different in how they navigate the world.
Emotions allow us to make decisions without a conceptual understanding of reality. Once humans gained the ability of conceptual understanding, logical decision-making was made possible.
long time ago ~ 100k subscriber mark, a little before probably, which is why I keep advocating that anyone with less than 3 months on this sub shouldn't be allowed to post.
Absolutely. A lot of 'sluts' (not the ones that actively chose that lifestyle and own it) have self-esteem issues and lack self respect
Avoiding those scenarios where she'll be unable to control herself are the mark of a good woman. I've had several women flatly admit to me their vagina has more control over them than their brain. It is 100% true.
The woman who identifies this... and then refuses to avoid certain inappropriate situations with other men while in a relationship because "muh equality, I wouldn't do that, feminism, I'm not like that really" etc etc. That kind of woman is one to watch out for because she is the laziest type of woman.
Once you identify this, you can train your woman through instructive commanding behaviour to ensure that she will no longer allow herself into those situations. This is the only way a woman can solve the problem of her self control.
My girl spends time with me and when she's not with me she's with her family.
Always look for women who are close with their family. Never under-estimate the power of boredom.
Men waste countless hours of boredom jacking off and eating shitty foods and women spend them fucking.
A lot of people think self control is about the ability to have something tempting right in front of you and then reject it. The truth is, self control is at least as much about being able to look ahead to situations that might involve possible temptation and avoiding those situations.
-At the grocery store? Pie is on at a good price, people you live with like pie. During a shared meal, you might eat a single slice. You know yourself though and when you get tired or distracted you might binge eat it, possibly the whole thing. You elect not to buy the pie.
That's self control right there even though you didn't actually have the opportunity to eat the pie at that very moment due to not having purchased it yet.
-Woman has friends that are single that want to go out. She knows that for them going out means getting drunk and likely getting picked up. She chooses to pass on that situation and decides instead to hang out with friends that don't involve temptation, i.e. staying in or going somewhere less cc esque like a movie theatre or out for dinner.
Obviously the woman that decides to pass on the first situation has more self control and is therefore more valuable than the one who decides to go out, even if the one who goes out has no intention of cheating.
It's worth thinking about her (the woman who chooses to go with single friends to a bar) motivations for doing that, which likely center around "having fun" which = reward/tingles/thrill seeking which would lower her threshold for resisting temptation in the first place. She'd then be putting herself in a situation where temptation is going to be presented to her.
tl;dr you can tell a lot about a woman by the kind of situations she chooses to put herself in.
Yup. Abdication of agency. That sort will never admit that they simply should not have put themselves in the situations they end up in, because it is an admission of responsibility and thus an admission of imperfection.
It is a mark of a woman that has a very low buyout point for protecting her Ego- and it will be at the expense of anyone other than herself.
If you're not able to score a chick immediately don't always dismiss her without a proper assessment.
I know a chick who knows her worth, and she won't put herself in certain situations with men EVEN if she thinks the guy is trustworthy she still wouldn't do that.
She's single still but she has a set of guidelines, and rules. Even if she liked a guy she trusts those rules more than how she feels.
Even if you're Chad you wouldn't be able to fuck her on the first night. Not because you didn't make her wet, but it's like she's following some kind of bible or something on the way relationships work.
I know she constantly hangs with her parents, so I'm believing her alpha father had an influence on her choices, it's probably some redpill parenting going on.
I learned one valuable thing, even if you find a self-respecting "unicorn" you have no hope of dating them unless you follow the sidebar on how to be an Alpha. They're AWALT in the sense they want the same damn Alpha.
There are a lotttttt of guys on here who HATE women and are very ANGRY that they have been lied to all their life. That fever, that rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel. Most of them never get out of the anger phase.
Points for working in the butler quote
we catch men here in their anger phase
it's healthy, they need that release, somewhere to vent and get it out
It requires self reflection. That moment when you realize you aren't angry at 'other' but instead are angry at yourself for allowing yourself to be lied to for so long.
It's a process that happens, it's those who can stow their ego and improve their worth who get past it, settling at a level of realism that has a healthy dose of skeptisism
It's only natural once you swallow the pill and see what a farce most of your life has been in this context. Hell, I don't even blame people who lash out as a result. Fuck the system that allowed female hypergamy to go unchecked. Once you get over it, however you do that, you're in a better/more sustainable place as a male.
Nice Batman reference. Can anyone here tell me what kind of male Batman is thought of as, in redpill terms?
It varies quite a bit depending on which story line you were to consider, but overall he's typically either an Alpha - he'll hook up with catwoman or talia al ghul, but doesn't have a relationship with them.
Or he's a MGOTW - his mission comes before everything else; he doesn't have the time or desire for a relationship, or even a ONS.
In the Nolan movies (which are great movies), he was a mix of alpha (ditching everyone to go train, beating the mob, invading privacy to stop a terrorist, etc) but beta cos he had oneitis for Rachel.
Not having relationships doesn't make someone an "alpha". In fact living in such a way is merely due to the person's own obstacles, limitations, and internalized falsehoods. Leadership and truthfulness do make one an alpha. And MGTOW and Alpha are not mutually exclusive. The foundation of being a true man is made up of three things. Live for your true self, work hard and bear burdens, and practice true love for yourself and others by not lying and instead delivering a good teaching to the world.
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I don't need to deny what you say. Notice you said "try to be".
The meaning of the fact you replied is that you are leading or attempting to lead. So you are in danger of contradicting yourself.
And I did not comment on females. So you have no grounds or basis to back up your claim that I comment on cultural roles.
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The issue is the difference between the ideal and the reality. To improve, awaken from your idealism.
I agree that MGTOW and Alpha are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps what would be more accurate to say is that Batman is typically always an alpha, one that sometimes chooses to be MGTOW.
As for what makes someone an alpha yes of course there's more to it than simply being able to get commitment free sex, but I completely disagree that it doesn't make you an alpha. How many betas do you know that are able have casual hook ups whenever they want? Maybe you inferred that I was suggesting you are a beta if you choose to have an LTR, but that was not a statement I was making.
Having SMV high enough to have plates or a FWB is a characteristic closely tied to being an alpha male. And if you're at that level of desirability it's pretty easy to get into an LTR should you choose to.
Being able to get commitment-free sex might be a necessary condition but isn't a sufficient condition to consider a person a real alpha, even if it's something real alphas are able to do. That's why it's often said here that neither a "Chad" nor a person who must resort to various dark triad traits are true alphas. The former rides on the coattails of their natural traits and abilities while remaining ignorant, and the latter is just able to trick others into doing something wrong using techniques and heuristics without really understanding the basis of being a man.
Edit: typo plus minor clarification
Bruce is the sigma male. His mission always comes first but in any given moment he can get laid.
I don't think it's so much the fact that they hate the women, rather it's more so that people get angry that they don't fit into this new reality. And instead of changing themselves to find their spot in the reality they get caught on the anger and blame the environment rather than adapt to it.
I'll add boundaries, assertiveness, and self worth.
A lot of slutty women don't cut off being placed in bad positions and then can't assert themselves.
I suppose this can be deemed a subset of self control, but I see a distinction.
Self control is the master of all these things
Women with no self control can't set boundaries, theyve never met one.
Assertion requires self control to exist. To assert oneself you have to be in control of your actions complrtrly
And self worth is self explanatory. How can you value yourself if you consistently do things you don't wanna do?
Regarding the last point, self worth tends to exist (and be much inflated) without sslf control but with enough delusion to compensate for it.
One of the keys to being a successful man is being able to see through narcissists facades, to see who they're trying to pretend to be, and control them through it.
Most women in 2016 have no clue what it means to be a woman, they party and sleep around but then get dumped by the guys they do want and don't know how to find or keep them.
They spend a lot of nights alone or crying about their problems to me. I see their pain and their loneliness.
That self worth is all a facade. They're empty shells, pastel Barbies so desperate for someone to crack their polythyrene cages and make them real.
Fair enough, but then everything wrong I've ever done is just a matter of self control. You are casting it as a pretty ultimate cause and somewhat ignoring how it might manifest in different avenues.
You're a man; Everything you've ever done wrong is a matter of your own volition
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Failures.
We call them failures.
From putting your hand on the stove when it's hot to getting rejected by your first girl/college/job.
Consistent failures are men's influences.
trp in itself is one gigantic collection of influences and failures, a group of men coming together with the same experiences aimed at generating consistent results to consistent problems.
Sure but I don't think you are addressing my point or maybe I am stating it poorly. What you are doing is a less extreme version of blaming everything on the Big Bang.
Maybe I can do you one better by stating that self control comes from future focused preference and accurately evaluating the outcome of actions.
But then what controls that? I'll eventually get to the Big Bang I know it!
Self control is what I believe to be the defining trait of adults.
It's the moment we stop being children, the day we walk into the candy store and say "not today".
How can you call yourself an adult if you can't take control of your own life? How can anyone count on you or rely on you for any future applications?
Self worth is a big part of this. I have known MANY girls that just can't say no because they don't value themselves enough and are too fearful to get assertive.
There are many broken girls out there who if alone with a man or separated by him from a group will just go deer in the headlights as he starts trying to kiss her and pull her clothes off. She doesn't want to, she doesn't enjoy it, and she doesn't find him attractive, she just feels weak and scared and worthless.
These girls are branded as sluts by their peers no different than cock worshipping sluts but all sluts are not created equal.
Both tend to come from the same root cause, no strong father in their life, whether he is gone, whether he is a weak bitch, whether he is selfish and uncaring for her, or whether he is abusive to her.
Any man who regularly gets pussy from different types of women understands this.
Self control does not come from self worth. Plenty of weak bitches have plenty of self control, they never miss work, show up on time, pay their bills, eat healthy, etc and yet they are beta chumps who see no value in themselves.
Plenty of people who think their king of the world have no self control. They do tons of drugs, fuck everything that moves without condoms, live in filth, can never pay their bills, etc.
I've said this a million times, every girl I know with self worth has a strong relationship with a strong father. They love getting fucked but only by a man of value and tend to have a very low count and long lasting relationships with the men that meet their high standards.
PUA shit doesn't work on girls with high self worth and self control. You are either really a high value man, or you are not, playing one on TV only works for stupid girls (and there are plenty) but if you aren't earning a good living in a real career, fit, fun, funny, honest, exciting etc, you aren't tricking any well raised attractive girls into fucking.
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Women and men have the same path on this. A lot of this is decided in childhood and a stable loving home with two parents (a male and a female parent) is a huge advantage in developing self worth and respect.
Women have a harder time overcoming this because they are coddled as victims their entire lives. Men are more likely to push themselves out of it because society does not embrace men as victims and instead ridicules them for being such pushovers.
I have in fact seen girls with terrible self worth helped by men that broke the old saying "don't turn a hoe into a housewife"
That saying is completely true for a typical slut that just craves endless attention and cock from as many men as she can, she is incapable of being faithful for more than a few months before her hunger will drive her to start the attention wheel again.
A girl with a higher count because she had no self worth can in fact become a completely faithful and loving girlfriend/wife and a strong male can guide her into seeing herself as valuable over time.
That same girl ending up with a beta just makes things worse as he is so jealous and angry of her former sexual history that he can never get past it and will soon turn from prince charming while courting her into a nightmare when he is screaming at her calling her a whore because he is insecure.
Regardless a strong male can change a woman with little or no self worth by being the father figure she needed. Not all girls with no self worth have high counts either, this also depends on having shitty whore friends that put you in numerous situations for men to get you alone in an unknown environment like house parties.
This is all heavily criticized by a big percentage of red pill because of the anger and bitterness. I'm certainly no champion of women, I just understand them by being able to look through a lens of reality and not some bitter history with low value girls using me or fucking me over as so many here are trying to recover from.
I've met whores and users and I've met girls that have a higher count than they should because of their lack of self worth, they are two completely different types of girls.
One is fit to fuck (with a lot of protection) and one is fit for more if you are willing to invest the time into her.
Quite frankly, these low self esteem attractive girls are a red pillers dream, it's sad that their partner count is such a touted deal breaker here, because these girls are not only capable of being completely submissive, feminine lovely LTR's, they understand what is out there, a pile of fucking losers and savages and she wants no part of it.
Low partner count girls have the same great qualities if raised right, but many of them long to know what they missed out on eventually and that creates it's own problems.
Wow, white knight some more.
It's like you're trying to shame the men here into accepting women that are past their prime.
Fact: sluts that have slept with a lot of men are not as good as they would have been had they not slept around.
You sound just like a woman "omg I slept around and realized that all those other men I slept with wasn't what I was REALLY" wanted, and now I've discovered myself" which is just hampsterese for "I'm at the wall and I need to settle for a beta male now because I want to reproduce and the alphas that I enjoy fucking won't want to stick around and provide provisioning to me and my spawn"
Keep pumping that beta rage out. I was talking about young girls not old hags and all of you angry downvoters in redpill reveal your weakness and lack of pussy when you attack anyone who offers an experienced point of view that doesn't call every girl some fucking gutter skank.
Every man here that actually gets his dick wet weekly knows the varying types of women we encounter and their different backstories. Typical no pussy getting comment, call me a white knight and a woman rather than accept a logical argument.
That in fact makes YOU the woman my man. You are a little ball of emotion over there.
Fact: 80% of redpill has a count under 5 and just parrots shit they read here without having ever really experienced it.
Why is a woman not "as good" if she slept around? Surelyshe would be better in bed if anything?
There was a post (yesterday, I think) about how woman are so afraid of confrontation, they'd rather fuck a guy they don't want to fuck.
Add alcohol. Alcohol removes most of the self-control mechanisms in people.
Then dont drink. Its that simple. I am a heavy drinker (used to be) and I have never in my life been "black out drunk" to the point I wouldnt "remember" anything.
Its all lies. If you cant control yourself, DONT DRINK. Saying no to the 10th drink IS SELF CONTROL.
My rule is that I dont date women who get drunk.
Agree with most of what you've written except here's the bare truth:
Women have never had self-control.
Sure, some women have more, some have less. But by the rule of AWALT, none have the self control to resist a man sufficiently alpha.
So why didn't women fuck around in the past and even today in traditional cultures like they do today in the West?
Because the penalties for fucking around were severe: biologically (pregnancy), socially (outcast, possibly hurt or killed), and financially (no support for child raising).
This is the main reason that major world religions place such emphasis upon external control over female sexuality. Because men have always known that women do not have the self-control required to stay virginal until marriage, and then be faithful to one man. This arrangement has been a cornerstone of orderly societies with strong social fabric.
i talk about this all the time and it's true
public shaming is the greatest threat to women because it means social ostracizing and women are dependent on the group for survival.
But there are women with self control and it was taught to them by their fathers.
Sure but all it takes is this girl moving to a big city, without the usual external social pressures to not be a slut, and she'll be gulping cock like a pro in under a year. Why? Because the other girls are all doing it and no girl wants to be a social outcast. In Western big cities, there's social pressure TO BE a slut.
Yes, women living alone is the breeding grounds for promiscuity, it's why we as a society spent thousands of years keeping women at home until they passed from father to husband.
It's not patriarchy, it's survival. Women are the only creatures capable of killing us all.
It'll be a bomb that leads to the end the world, but it will be women who start it
Self-control doesn't directly come from your father. That's way to simplistic and belies and ignorance of psychology. It reeks of blank slate. Sure, it can be nurtured by a strong father or wise mother but is partly genetic.
We speak blankly of nurture vs. nature here.
I believe, in nearly all situationz(never all, nothing is ever all when it comes to humans) a strong father can teach self control because that is the essence of becoming a good man.
Self Control, like loyalty and honor, are not apart of even the wisest woman's makeup, much like men can not begin to understand the emotional complexities and empathies women possess
I agree with you for the most part but I've known many women with commendable levels of self-control. In my experience they tend to be more health conscious than men. When you think about it, from an evolutionary perspective this makes sense because health in a women is much more important for successful procreation than it is in men. A diseased man with no self-control can still pass on his genes...
They certainly don't have loyalty, honesty and honor like men do because they never had the evolutionary pressures (like men have) to develop these traits, but I can think of many instances of female self-control. After all she is the more discerning sex because she bares the womb.
What we're seeing today is the result of a removal of immediate repercussions for promiscuity and hypergamy unchecked, which is unnatural. But the innate self-control they posses is still there and shows itself in other areas. After all, women are getting more degrees today than men (as another example).
these women...ever meet their dads?
Degrees don't measure self control, they don't even measure intelligence anymore
How does one weed them out.
There are girls that aren't having sex with you on the first or second date because they DO have self control and are plateworthy... Then there are those that aren't having sex with you for other reasons (she's fucking other guys, or she HAS fucked other guys in the past and had bad experiences so she's making you wait)
Do what women do
Shit test. I need to write a topic about this.
This comment demonstrates a very clear understanding of women, as well as the social structures invented to corral their instincts.
I am awarding you with a flair point.
Gracias - it's a topic I think about often.
Also, just because she can maintain a diet and say "no" to the second slice of cake doesn't mean that she will say "no" to Chad. OP says "well, test her with this and that". Sorry OP, AWALT.
lol, got it all figured out already eh?
AWALT is a worst case scenario, a perfect storm. Very, very rarely is one woman going to encompass it's pinnacle or it's entirety, Especially if you have your shit together in life. You're aware of it, and have the self respect to ditch a situation if it's no longer valuable.
Problem is, if you come at every interaction like it's AWALT to the MAX! you're going to end up with a very jaded and pessimistic worldview, and it's going to drop off of you in every interaction, and largely work against you.
Housefires happen, the wood they are built with is prone to burning, and a lot of people in the neighbourhood smoke in bed, and leave the gas stove on in their houses. But if you go house shopping assuming every house is going to burn, you're not going to live in a good one. Just get fire insurance, and make sure the extinguisher works
Lol a lot of new TRPers assume things all the fucking time. Your analogy is exactly why I never completely fell into this AWALT concept. You just end up completely distrustful of every woman you meet and end up sabotaging yourself. However, it's also good to prepare you for shit that may happen, so it's always good to know.
This is also why people should approach TRP with a pragmatic-mindset. Only use what's useful. You don't know if some guy here is posting about AWALT because women are really like that or because he's been hurt really badly by the last woman he was with and now has some jaded view of the world. Hell, I'd bet most of these chumps don't even know wtf they're talking about. If just about anyone can post, I'd bet not everyone is right.
Be pragmatic when reading TRP. Be wise about it. Trust in the sidebar (for the most part).
AWALT doesn't say that all women will do it no matter what.
AWALT says, all women will do it in the absence of a strong valuable man. People misconstrue that. AWALT is there to tell you, "hey this is what will happen if you're not on your shit."
Huh, that's actually a good way of looking at it. Thanks for that.
I get it too. If you've been BP your life, and this can be initially going from one 'father' telling you what to do, and replacing it with another.
I like to think a few years in, and people start to realize that they don't have someone telling them what to do. hundreds of men shared their experiences, and that's the sidebar. 100s of the worst things to offer a man.
And on point three, loyalty is key for a number of reasons. Mainly, the trust and secureness it provides allows a man and a woman to transcend past their animal instincts, emotions like jealousy and rage are felt less. Gives both sexes a clearer headspace. When the emotions are aside one can use logic and other higher mental faculties with more ease, hence why religion has an evolutionary purpose and you see it go hand in hand with more advanced societies.
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i wrote this a week ago:
I would tell that it is a trained habit just like abusing drugs, alcohol or fapping. Brain rewires itself to look for instant gratification.
Exactly.
We all have lapses in self control, it's all about how we learn from it.
I've done the same thing. I had made a purchase once of a sugary treat for breakfast while fueling up and getting something caffeinated to drink. It started becoming routine. It's taken more willpower than I'd like to admit to pass on them and it's embarrassing.
Like you said CC habit has got to be absolutely brutal to kick...its no wonder it takes most women the shock of their biological clock getting to zero to finally make the shift.
Agreed 100%. I feel like the whole "All Woman are Sluts" slogan is more of a metaphor for All Woman Can Be Extremely Sexual if You're Badass Enough"
It's just about triggers. We know the brain craves simple carbs, which is why sugar is such a drug. Doesn't mean everyone is obese, but you have to be aware of the brain trigger.
Perfect analogy, I'm stealing this.
A lot of our dogma gets dumbed down for the sake of easing into it.
The problem is when we never evolve past it. When we leave it at the base repetition and never expound upon it.
All women can be sluts if you make them so. If you want a slut then women will be slutty.
10/10
Best plates I've ever had are ones that hit the gym regularly. Can put down the damn fork when they know they've ate enough and are generally self aware enough to control themselves.
Typically they come from conservative families. Mother is extremely feminine. Father was the breadwinner, etc. You know, like how men and women have coexisted for the past, ah idk, written history.
uhhh yuuuup
we've pretty much mastered this dating thing at this point.
It's really don't see the difficulty in keeping plates, I've hand multiple month long plates and they are never the ones to end it,
Be a rock
Reinforce positive behavior
Don't reinforce bad behavior
Be higher SMV than her and always be climbing.
Being above her is probably the most important. Chicks can easily delude themselves. As long as you keep making them climb the ladder behind you they don't have time to find another one.
im a grown ass man.
i've sown my seeds.
i'm here trying to stop this trend where good men don't create good families and raise good children.
if you just wanna fuck bitches I'm not the guy for you. my topics are about building long term results.
That's great. But by their nature these girls make you wait like three or more dates before even considering having sex with you...
How does one work around this? In other words, when a girl isnt having sex with you on the first couple of dates, how do you know she is/isn't a slut?
Unfortunately you have to find out their past. I haven't come across any other way. Unless you can confirm her N count you will just be flipping a coin.
You can gauge your relative SMV. If you are super successful, muscular, solid game and project it well, if a chick is resisting you then it's a much higher chance she is conservative rather than a slut. You will get better at judging this with experience. It's definitely one of those things that can't be taught by reading.
I love slutty women, but, bitch please - I ain't marrying your whore ass. I'll fuck your brains out, sure but you can find some other cuck to marry your worn out ass
Don't tell women that lol they don't believe in the 1000 cock stare.
Slutiness is a social construct.
Built on the thousands of strokes of a thousand strangers.
I think you get it now. You can change your username.
Thank you, I really do appreciate that
Once upon a time, little girls had fathers. Not sperm donors they barely got to know, but actual fathers. Those fathers, being adult men, felt a moral obligation to spend time and energy instilling lessons in their female offspring. Lessons imply teaching. Teaching implies right and wrong answers. Little girls learned lessons from their fathers via teaching, and thereby learned right from wrong. Right was to be feminine, respectful, and chaste; wrong was to be slovenly, selfish, and bereft of honor.
Then, the Big Bad Wolf LBJ came along, had JFK killed and smeared Goldwater, and in doing so became a very powerful man. He used his power to make fathers superfluous, and replaced them with The State. Once fathers were replaced by The State, mothers were incentivized to raise their offspring alone. Mothers, being female, were generally incapable of instilling lessons in their offspring, because lessons imply teaching, and teaching implies a knowledge of right and wrong, and females - left to their own devices - have great difficulty discerning right from wrong because their opinions on the matter tend to change with their hormonal cycles and their particular immediate circumstances. So a generation of little girls were raised without vitally important fundamental lessons being instilled in them. (This was truly the beginning of a Great Society!)
This generation of little girls eventually grew to become Women. And these Women were unable to discern Right from Wrong because those lessons had never been instilled in them. And whenever they made a Wrong choice, they managed to escape punishment, either via an abortion or a welfare check or a child support payment or an alimony judgment, or some combination thereof. Having been artificially shielded from the negative effects of Wrong choices, there was no longer much incentive to make Right choices. This generation also had female offspring, increasingly without fathers. A snowball effect ensued.
In The Current Year, it's a coin flip whether or not a little girl who is in the process of becoming a Woman has ever had a father around to instill any important life lessons in her. As a result, it's also a coin flip whether or not a little boy who is in the process of becoming a Man will end up being falsely accused of rape, or be cuckolded and wind up supporting a child who he doesn't know is not really his, or be divorce-raped and lose half of his worldly possessions while simultaneously being put on the hook for up to 18 years of "child support" payments that in actuality go towards paying for mommy's mani-pedis and bar tab.
This is our reality, in The Current Year. We didn't make this world, but we've gotta live in it. TRP provides a rough map for how to navigate through this mess.
That's all this is, really. Advice to young men for how to survive the collapse of their civilization.
This is the first time I've heard anybody attribute the downfall of traditional marriage to Lyndon Johnson. Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely interested to see if your opinion has merit.
It's widely accepted (at least among conservatives) that the so-called anti-poverty programs of LBJ's "Great Society" (i.e., welfare for single mothers) subsidized and therefore incentivized single motherhood, replacing the income of the father with a check from the government. The explosion in illegitimacy occurred almost immediately after those programs were implemented.
You'd be hard pressed to make a legitimate argument that women prefer welfare + single motherhood over having a good beta bux provider.
This assumes that all women can get a "good beta bux provider."
This also ignores the fact that many single mothers once did have a good beta bux provider...then decided she wanted alpha fux, committed adultery, got divorced, got child support, got welfare, got her "freedom," and didn't have to take much of a financial hit (because of the aforementioned child support and welfare) in the process. PLUS, she can always engage in some serial monogamy, and every couple years have a different boyfriend move in and pay half the bills, while still receiving the welfare and child support.
Solid points. I slightly misconstrued your point, you're not saying they prefer being a single mother, but that the consequences of single motherhood are way less severe than they used to be.
In that case, I could definitely see a correlation between LBJ and the rise of single motherhood; however I wouldn't say it was the cause, but rather just part of a rising cultural tide towards this.
pretty much this.
women have been brainwashed and sold the masses.
Apple and Social Media made their billions off the back of taking advantage of women being thrown into the world with no advice or guidance
Sluts are women who enjoy sex with many different people. There's a saying, if a girl fucks a thousand guys, she's a slut. But if she fucks one guy a thousand times, she's a great girlfriend.
What OP is saying though is that all women, no matter how conservative or strong-willed, will feel instinctual attraction for an alpha male. They're not sluts though until they give in to their urges though. Everyone has feelings.
You can but this into a wider context. For almost everything we have that is stable and sustainable, isn't there always something better present, yet unsustainable, that we could trade it in for? And it's always tempting to give in to that. Sacrificing the long term in favour of short term gains.
Maybe it's that cool high(er) paying job that only has a short term contract. Maybe it's that hot girl you could have a ONS with, but you have a wife and kids. Maybe it's that more expensive car you could technically afford, but requires you to dig deep into your savings. You all know what I'm talking about here. No matter how rich, skilled or awesome you are, there are always things that require you to be more skilled, rich or awesome to have them permanently. And durability, sustainability, that's what pays out the most in the end. Don't undersell yourself of course, but don't fly too high.
And this is the issue with girls. They think they are all hot and likeable enough to lock down the best of the best, completely abandoning the men that are actually in her relationship value range; men that they could actually build a stable living with. A good living. They will have their slutty fun while their SMV is high, but it won't last and will leave them with nothing when they hit the wall.
There's very few left of those women. But they're out there. They all feel these same temptations, as we do. But, some are more grounded on what is valuable. But if you're not a valuable man, none of it will matter anyway, because you'll lose even the best of them.
You are right that they do exist. I can verify from personal experience. But it takes a good family, great introspective capability and no small amount of luck for them to turn out that way. And they certainly aren't increasing in numbers.
They're decreasing. It's terrible.
They're called daughters who were raised with fathers.
and with divorce rate at 50%, and women have ONS children, and all the homosexuals... How many are left?
Sluts are women with no self control.
Everything else stems from that.
You guys make it about sex because that's your trigger, your hamster.
Ryan, you're using slut as a derogation, to me it isn't a bad thing to call a girl a slut. Because for you, and for me, they all are. We hit them with our game, and overshadow any physical drawback we might have, and they can't help themselves. That does not make them bad people.
Girls call other girls sluts to denigrate and shame them, they see and use it to show the other girls in bad light. I'm not a girl, so I don't use words in an effeminate way.
I fucking love sluts, and love fucking them, but I'll never be in love with one again. They are who they are, they're not bad just because they get freaky with me and with you, that's exactly what they've evolved to do. It's other shit they might do that makes them bad people, like fabricating shit to get you in legal trouble.
Yes they lack self control, some are better than others, but for the right man they're the biggest slut on the planet. Every. Fucking. One.
And that is not a bad thing.
But...that's like saying men are betas because women hit us with their beauty, take care of us, love and respect us, and overshadow any emotional drawbacks they might have and we can't help ourselves.
Slut has meaning and significance and we can't let them destroy it.
Conversely, they could all be classified as whores if they sleep with men to get resources and money.
Slut isn't going to be destroyed. They'll use it to shame one another regardless of how we use it. Any man who thinks a girl is special and she would never fuck around on him no matter what, it's naive at best. They all have a slut inside them, some let it out more often than others, but it's in there nonetheless.
Why?
You sleep with beautiful women to satisfy your ego and procure your future children a better life.
They sleep with rich and powerful masculine men to garner security for themselves and their future children.
I don't understand why men get so upset about this
I'm not upset, not in the least. What I say can sound harsh, because I don't soften my speech here. I'm definitely not upset. Amused would be more apt.
I have a different view on girls, and I learned not to trust them even if they've earned it. I've learned how they truly are, and it doesn't make them bad, inferior, or useless, it's how they are. Getting mad because the sky is blue is silly, getting mad because girls act like girls is also silly.
I fuck girls because I have a physical drive in my head, a requirement that isn't fulfilled by whacking off. I don't want any more kids, and have been out of the gene pool for years. I don't want nor need anything from them, but a soft warm body to fuck is very nice. If she brings more along with the body, that's a bonus.
To be 100% honest, I don't give a fuck how hot she is anymore, if she can get my dick hard she will probably get fucked, if she is attractive it will be more often than if she isn't. I prefer good looking girls, but a self powered fleshlight doesn't have to be. I don't dislike girls, I enjoy them very much, even if I'm not fucking them, but I sure as hell don't need them to stroke my ego. If I need then for anything is to drain my balls occasionally.
Do you never stop and ask where that drive comes from?
Why you like beautiful women? Why you like skinny women?
Spoilers: It's the same reason women like rich and powerful men with resources.
OH MY GOD SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN AT LAST
saying I have a brain is an insult to people with brains
i'm a caveman
You SOB. You are one hundred percent correct. I have been trying to boil most women down to a simple idea, why they are the way they are and you just did it for me.
Overspending, huge number counts, everything. It all boils down to self control.
Thinking back about some LTRs their fathers, and the things that were bad in the relationship... It really does explain a lot.
Life is so simple if you let it?
Ironic that this is coming from a post about having no self control.
oh no a guy who can control his vices!
run!
I argue if he's able to put it down, than it's apt.
Now if he's on those while posting too,
And a guy talking about self agency. As if relying on the perfect combination of drugs is a champion model of self sufficiency.
Actually it's not irony. The whole post was about temptation and self control. She was trying to control herself, he was temptation. She succumbed to the temptation. He concluded self control is the most important feature to look for in a woman.
Thank you. I was scrolling down waiting for someone to call out this bullshit. Too much to drink is bad enough, but three different drugs at once? Are you fucking kidding me?
Maybe he meant like a "Scotch and Coke" with Coca Cola
Use and abuse, they are very different animals.
Couple words about self-control - most of the women actually more self-controlled then men due to inherent anxiety, woman anxiety level are naturally more higher. So self-control issues even like overeating are actually first step to cockoo-land.
Women do not possess more self control in 2016 because consequences and shame have been removed from our culture.
Add to that their limitless temptations and yeah, recipe for disaster.
Testing for self-control is effectively the equivalent of a male shit test, however discretion must be applied as to how often you allow them the opportunity to slip up.
Reason being is that women nowadays really do have more options than you as a general rule (but not necessarily better ones - because you're trying to be the best version of yourself, right?), and the hamster is strong enough to overcome any rational thoughts. They might decide to have their cake and try and eat more too.
Nobody really likes emotional stress constantly in their life despite the prevalence of drama junkies in spades nowadays (they like the attention and feeling of being involved, and pay the price of stress gladly), but a well-timed reminder is a powerful message to send. A good read, thanks.
The male shit test is SO important. It sends a strong signal to your woman that you are a man of value and significance, why else would you challenge her to prove herself, to do to her what she's done to so many men.
But it's a detailed process.
There are some slip ups and red flags that are immediate terminations and others you can be lenient with.
Trying to make women completely 100% rational all the time will never happen nor should you want it to.
This is a topic that I have yet to see on TRP: male shit tests. We talk about women's all the time but never discuss ours.
Would it be possible for you to make a post on this topic? I'd be really interested to hear more.
I was just thinking about this.
I'll post it soon
Or she just doesn't give a fuck... if guys could get new pussy above their pay grade every night how many of them do you think would have so called "self control"? I mean I don't even think it's a lack of self control in most cases... sure they want to hide it because slut shaming but if being a slut was embraced they wouldn't.
Self control comes into play when women are in relationships... of course the apple is always dangling in their face, that's just life. As long as the girls with no self control don't go fooling themselves into thinking they can be monogamous IDGAF who they bone.
IDK exactly what I'm trying to get across, I guess just that slut really means promiscuous and promiscuity shouldn't be insulted unless that promiscuity is affecting someone else. If we all appreciated sluts rather than shame them they wouldn't have to pretend to not want sex.
If no men were disgusted by sluttiness, an all men embraced it, all women would be sluts (they are, but I mean blatantly in public.) Instead, men shame sluts, so sluts hide their sluttiness.
Sluts are women with no self control. Everything else stems from that. You guys make it about sex because that's your trigger, your hamster.
I'll be copy and pasting this often i think
A single girl fucks 50 guys in a few years. Is she a slut?
Same girl then gets in a relationship and never fucks another guy that isn't her boyfriend/husband/whatever for the rest of her life. Is she a slut?
I think you're going to either say no or reformed slut... so then I ask:
Was she still a slut during those years she fucked 50 guys? If yes... please tell me more about her lack of self control? She wasn't trying to control herself... and when she was, she did... so clearly her self control is not lacking.
A slut is a promiscuous woman... you're trying really hard to correlate it to self control and it's not about that... you just see these other areas they lack self control in and are like aha, knew it! but if you take a random population sample what percentage of that would have a self control issue in at least one area of their lives? Just look at the obesity epidemic.
Why would I say no?
I don't date women whose counts I believe to be over 10.
If it takes you FIFTY GUYS to figure out what kinda man you like and how to get him, you either have no self control or no plans for the future.
You're unloveable. Completely unloveable.
If it takes you until you're 50 to find your convenient wife material, what does that say about you?
That's s bit extreme no?
There's a line between rushing it and 50
The kind of guy who doesn't have abundance or options tends to never be tempted anyways.
It's one of our benefits as a man IMHO. when we develop the self control is when the options open up for us. Life self controls for us until we develop the ability
I sir, will toast a glass of scotch to this.
i am currently playing with the idea of LTRing my main plate and she certainly has a LOT of self control. low n-count, doesn't drink... like... at all. certinly green flags in this context.
Good.
Now test her. Shit test her HARD.
And meet her father.
If you trust her n count you're a fucking fool
she never mentioned it and i never asked. i am just guessing knowing her for a long time.
I don't know how you're upvoted consistently, you're a proven fraud who doesn't even follow his own advice.
You're a perfect blend of racism, self hatred, and bad advice.
proof about him being a fraud?
I can't find it but he wrote this cringy story about he got laid at a party in front of this girls BF or some shit about a keg, either way, the entire sub jacked themselves furiously to it until a handful of people pulled apart all the inconsistencies and he finally admitted to lying.
"Sirs," he would say, "if a war came upon us and we wished to choose a man who would best help us to save ourselves and to subdue our enemy, I suppose we should scarcely select one whom we knew to be a slave to his belly, to wine, or lust, and prone to succumb to toil or sleep. Could we expect such an one to save us or to master our foes? Or if one of us were nearing the end of his days, and he wished to discover some one to whom he might entrust his sons for education, his maiden daughters for protection, and his property in general for preservation, would he deem a libertine worthy of such offices? Why, no one would dream of entrusting his flocks and herds, his storehouses and barns, or the superintendence of his works to the tender mercies of an intemperate slave. If a butler or an errand boy with such a character were offered to us we would not take him as a free gift...''
Socrates speech on self-control, Xenophon, The Memorabilia
the wise old men knew their shit
There is nothing wrong with women being promiscuous, unless a woman is in a monogimous relationship, why should a woman use self control, if a woman wants sex with a willing man then why shouldn't she have sex and enjoy herself?
I'll take this seriously and answer it.
Men's great power is our strength. What would happen if we decided we would use our strength to whatever means we wanted? If we didn't control ourselves? Fights and battles and war.
Women's great power is that they control sex. Men can not have sex without women's approval. It's a power far greater than our strength and it has the ability to destroy the world.
Men only stay attached to a society they can find a good women and raise a good family in. The second they lose that they become detached. Don't believe me? Look around Reddit and 4chan and most of the internet. White males don't give a fuck. They've become black men, men who don't give a shit about country and nation because our women fuck everyone and we can't trust them.
The second men can't be sure the kid is ours we start killing off other men to ensure that it is.
This is why women can't be promiscuous. They are literally the binding for our barely held together social unity. Women who shirk this responsibility should be looked at the same way we look at men who don't control their strength: Shame. punishment. Consequences.
People are free to be promiscuous if they so wish and so they should be, it is not a woman's responsibilty to not be promiscous so men can be better people. A man who needs women not to be promiscuous is a weak man. I don't care who other people sleep with, I love my life how I want regardless, I don't need approval from women. I can go out any weekend and likely bring home an attractive woman, life is good, promoscuous women are great.
Yes it is.
It is their responsibility
A removal of that responsibility is why women are so suicidal and pill addicted and why marriages are dead
If you don't believe in such responsibility that's fine, you can enjoy female hypergamy as me and the other alpha males of the world impregnate your wife
This is often understated, but very very true.
it can't be stated enough.
poll popped up yesterday stating suicide amongst women is skyrocketing.
pills are up like 2000% amongst the female population. depression and anxiety are through the roof.
first thing these idiots on reddit say: MUST BE THE ECONOMY AND NO FUTURE.
As if all the money in the world could fix women's unhappiness.
Can you elaborate more on what you look for in a woman's father?
Is he a man you respect? Someone you can look up to or at least admire?
Does he treat her like an adult or a child? Did he punish her when she was younger and instill consequences?
When you're at dinner does the family talk down to him or with respect?
Bread winner, head of household, traditional, leader, strong hand. Most importantly, is she attentive to him, and does she respect him?
The bottom line is knowing what is too much. The saying is always true, "Having too much of a good thing is always Bad".
Everything in moderation...including moderation.
I enjoy that my girl gets too drunk or too emotional sometimes.
I'm so cynical and even mannered that it gets boring
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No. You've missed the point.
Women have standards, not all of them have the self control to maintain them.
Alot of men don't either.
This has literally been the single most important thing that I look for in a woman. From day #1 I'm trying to fuck her. On my A game. Literally trying every angle possible. 99% of the time they all fall within 2 dates at the most. But every now and then, you get one that can actually hold out, even though i can tell she wants to. That to me is the most attractive thing she can have.
Second to that, is the relationship with dad. It's very hard to find BOTH of these things going for a woman. It's sad.
It's like how women get all dressed up just to weed out the men who are dumb enough to tell them they're hot.
2.Women with good, masculine fathers are hard to find but if it was easy what's the point. We do things because they're hard
Well written and insightful. Good read. Sane and rational approach to what we're doing....not just a circle jerk of woman bashing by loser rejects who spend more time playing with their phones/themselves than being with actual women.
hey hey hey now, let's not implore shame tactics on our own men.
a lot of men come here angry and confused
also, it's very easy to devolve into a circlejerk or echo chamber. i just think we're better than that
Agreed. No intent to shame.
Wow, this was a great read and very well put. Liking sex in and of itself is not a bad thing, just like drugs, tasty food, etc. It's the overindulgence in these things; everything in moderation. Thank you for posting this.
Everything in moderation....including moderation
And you know what, they do a pretty good job of it all things considered. If we were getting pussy thrown at us 24/7 I doubt we could resist that well.
Women are doing a terrible job.
They're naive and gullible and they've been tricked into trading in their husbands and god for their boss and the government.
but i don't give up on things i love
While I don't agree with the vast majority of opinions in TRP, I still appreciate a solid argument that makes me question my own beliefs. Thanks.
Thank you.
Counter cultures have a way of becoming echo chambers very easily. The only preventative measure is to continuously challenge the way we think so our lessons don't take on the status of religious dogma
Great Post so far still reading
Point #1 covers the bullshit. Just cuz women make it easier to have sex nowadays doesn't mean you didn't have to play the "game". You still have to put up with her shit for that vagina. You still have to go through shit test central to check out through cum shot valley.
I see legitimate sluts reject good men every day.
If you're getting easy pussy it's because you're fucking dope.
This is the single most amazing piece of Literary Perfection that has ever graced my inquisitive eyes
it always leaves me shocked when my shit writing makes people happy
But women aren't women in the sense that they're not raised with the RP traditions that you'd see a couple of generations ago (depending on the place/time). Sure, women have always been hypergamous, but the values imparted to them by their parents/peers have absolutely changed in the past few decades.
I don't think I've seen any posts putting women down for liking sex; it's their n-count/promiscuity that matters. It's their willingness to be submissive and know their place within the realm of domesticity.
every time a woman has sex with a man on trp it's always "this slut" or "all women are sluts" etc. etc.
Most women today are sluts because there's no punishment or consequences. Imagine if you could just beat the fucking breaks off of any little dickhead who pissed you off, or just smack some guy around because you felt like it.
Dudes would be getting knocked out left and right.
Yeah but her loving sex with another men while being with you does make her a slut.
Yes but that's not what were talking about is it?
If you've been cheated on it was your fault. Be a better man or date better women.
The world is in your hands. The sooner you accept it the better.
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The male equivalent of a slut is a time whore, a man who will do whatever it takes to be in the company of women who don't find him attractive and just want him around for his ability to support them be it emotionally, financially, status wise , or all of the above. A guy who easily offers up his commitment, time, and attention for little more than female attention and sometimes not even that.
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it's not about sex it's about attention with the hope of it turning into sex . whoring is a desperate attempt to fuck every man into commitment hoping one will stick . Time whoring does the same thing , you hope if you hang out with a girl long enough , if you make her happy enough , if you are unagressive enough she'll want to touch your dick . Which is why nice guy losers get so frustrated when an alpha asshole thinks the woman is shit, treats her like shit, and rips off those panties night after night without hardcore committing to the girl .
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Hotness has nothing to do with it and there are hot Betas believe it or not , men who are attractive and weak . They give women the tingles when they see them but then they lose them once the beta opens his mouth . Status + attitude + attractiveness are what make your SMV , if all you have is your hotness it's just as bad as a beta who only has his money . You're one dimensional and when she sees someone more exciting she's no longer yours.
Thank you. This is so well put, really beautiful.
I've noticed the same myself... some women really have no self control. Just because something is good, fun or easy to do, does not mean she should do it. (And, of course, the same applies to us as men!)
Instinctively, I'd always test my women for self control. Call it a men's shit test. But I've always put women in a position to exercise their free will and fail. Offer to buy another drink after they've said enough. Or offer to buy dessert after dinner. Or just tell them to stay in bed, and that it's not a big deal if they got up or not anytime soon. Their reaction always told me much more about them than any rationalization could.
Didn't have the mental clarity of what it all meant, but it was always a gut instinct I had to do it...
Exactly.
Alot of men want it easy they don't want to put in the work it takes to be a man.
Then they get mad at women for being the same
This post is a fucking masterpiece.
Great post, I just have one minor quibble.
I feel like cultivating game on substances like these is a recipe for disaster and not something you should be advocating. Relying on drugs to get in state is not a long-term success strategy, especially on such a neurotoxic combination as cocaine AND MDMA. That's insanely damaging to your brain - in terms of abuse to your brain, you'd honestly be better off doing meth or heroin than combining these two. Perfect game of course is going to be a lot easier if you're on dopaminergic drugs like these - cocaine is essentially the essence of an alpha in powder form, but it's not a sustainable strategy, and if you abuse these substances you can quickly find your general well-being, confidence, willpower and your entire personality eroding. Other than that though, great post.
relying on drugs?
the hell?
not every person does drugs daily, we're not all addicts.
self control swings both ways.
I was just saying that generally advocating using any kind of drug while running game isn't the best advice.
why not?
Coke makes me feel like a god when I use it on occasion.
i don't need it, but it's fucking fun as hell
I love drugs as well (I actually love them a little too much but that's not what I'm getting at here). It just can lead to the same issue of guys who drink every time they go out trying to pick up women, when they start out they'll have a few drinks to loosen up to make it easier, but then they start relying on it to get "in state", to quote RSD Tyler, rather than cultivating their natural confidence & charisma.
There's of course no problem gaming women when you happen to be drunk or high, but the problem can come when some people need it to run game, and find themselves in a position where if they're not a few drinks in then they don't have the confidence to even approach. I think learning game & developing skill with women is best learnt sober - if you become great at it naturally when you're sober and then also do it on the nights when you choose to get drunk/high, which I think is the situation that you're in, then yeah that's all great, since if your game is good enough when sober then your ability to do it when intoxicated shouldn't be effected too much, and even if it is compromised it wouldn't matter anyway. If you only learn to pick up women when you've been drinking though then that is a problem - I've personally seen quite a few guys who appeared to be great at picking up women, but who refuse to even attempt it when they're not buzzed. I think if you do that then you're not improving yourself or developing the traits that attract women to you, you're just taking a chemical shortcut that will let you temporarily deceive women into thinking you're alpha.
Again, I get the impression this doesn't apply to you, since I'm assuming that you pick up women sober and have developed your game naturally, but for guys who are new to it and still learning pick up, using some other drugs is even worse advice. For example, when you're high on coke its like picking up women on fuckin easy mode - it will temporarily give you all the characteristics that you should be developing naturally, and this will be even worse for your sober game than learning game while your drinking. Alcohol lowers your inhibitions and removes your apprehension initially and can so get rid of your approach anxiety, but this is nothing on the boost to your confidence that cocaine can give you. The confidence/bravery alcohol gives you I always conceptualize as it dulling your higher functions, which gives you a kind of dumb bravery. Cocaine is the the opposite to this - like you said, it makes you feel like a god, it gives you that huge ego boost that can temporarily turn a shy guy into a fuckin egomanic narcissist in minutes. The mental energy boost it gives you as well can turn a quieter guy into a dude who doesn't stop talking, and it can make you funnier and makes it much easier to put theory you've learnt about game into practice since you can think faster. Coke essentially makes it so that you don't have to "fake it till you make it", because it will literally give you a shortcut to all the traits that you're supposed to develop in yourself to attract women.
For a guy just starting to learn game, coke will make it so much easier that it could very, very quickly become a crutch, and again, without it they'll have no idea what they're doing. Especially with drugs like MDMA, and to a much lesser extent coke, it's just not sustainable on any kind of regular basis. For it to keep giving you that incredible buzz you have to space it out - if you abuse it repeatedly then your tolerance will make it so that you can't get that buzz you first got without spending a lot of money, and if you really abuse it you'll be left much worse off as you'll need it just to get to a baseline level of confidence/energy etc. This applies much more to MDMA as unfortunately considering it's such a fucking beautiful chemical, the amazing place that MDMA takes you to is a door that won't open forever. Eventually you will lose the magic, and then it doesn't matter how much you take or how long you wait, it just won't take you to that same place again, though when it comes to game I doubt this will be as much of a problem as unless the girl you're trying to pick up is rolling as well I don't feel like it's the best drug for picking up girls.
This is what I meant when I said that it's not great to advocate drug use when it comes to picking up girls - using them when you already know game will give you an amazing time, using them to learn game is a really bad idea.
Have you ever read anything else I've written?
Do I ever mention drugs?
And the problem now is that NONE of them have self control, not a single one of them.
its rare, very rare, even amongst men
self discipline is out of style
Us men follow our own little "hamsters"
The good thing about our hamsters though is that we rationalize to take the strong stance on every action. So self-discipline is actually just a man falling prey to his own programming. When a man lets his wife shit all over him because "it's a man's job to suffer and stand strong" (my father said this, he won't control my mother at all because he thinks suffering is noble) he rationalizes that this pain means he's on the right track.
TLDR: We have our rules that are even more difficult to break free from because we see rationalize our suffering as noble
I wrote a post here recently, "On Pain", about how pain tolerance is character building.
Sure, it is. But I'm talking about going beyond just being a man controlled by biological programming. Obviously a man who had a harder childhood will be "harder" in his adult life. But to truly evolve past that you have to become aware of when you're choosing the pain just because it's easier/used to.
I still fall into this trap and decided to prioritize this area on my personality.
at your age, why would they?
Right? Girls our age, and every age, love getting high, turning up, getting drunk, having fun, & getting fucked by chad or alphas or hood niggas.
lol, slow down tinkerbell. be aware, be angry, don't be bitter. A lot of it is a reflection of what example you set for them, and what you're worth for them to respect your boundaries.
I'm not angry haha. Just observant. I'm a huge misogynist for sure, but my hate ddoesn't come from a place of malice. It comes from a state of recognizing their inferiority.
I'm a teen and i love how easy teen girls are.
Kids my age live off instant gratification, none of them realize that happiness is a lifelong pursuit, Aristotle even studied this. Instant gratification just leaves you even more depressed and bitter than before and it's disgusting. Teenagers now are like retarded children.
It's funny how you can think of your age as the worst, when it's been the same thing aristotle said.
realize that things aren't as different as you think
I'm not saying it's different but I'm just saying that people are retarded. Drugs, alcohol, and sex run rampant now and it's because people seek instant gratification instead of true happiness.
That is an exaggeration
Of course there are. But developing immunity to media cancer is hard for both genders.
i know you're angry but this is wrong
this is the easy way out
this is the slutty way out
I'm not angry at all lol, I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. All the girls I've come across are like this, doesn't make me mad cause that's their life to live not mine.
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I believe the implication is because it removes the reward feedback loop.
you are your own judge.
It works both ways, making blame external avoids responsability, making success external avoids responsability,.
If you're a man, you have to move forward with the idea that you are the man in control of your life (luck and opportunity aside)
If you're thanking god after the touchdown, you're really ignoring all the work you did
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why concern yourself with the latter? If there's nothing you can do, then control your reactions.
theres always control over your life, you just have to look wide enoguh
"3.Self Control is the single most attractive trait in women. period. It is the single most important quality for you to weed out during dates and hang outs. Self control.
I can say for 100% certainty she didn't want to fuck me when the night started. She didn't come out looking to fuck anyone. Her problem was that she didn't have enough self control."
This doesn't make sense. You're contradicting yourself. Shouldn't it that be a good thing; that she did show self control?
He was giving an example of a woman whose resistance crumbled and how it lowered her value. It was part of his backstory in explaining how he came to his conclusions. Before that example he didn't believe that women who succumbed to temptation were a real thing, he figured they were essentially just making excuses. Once he realized they were actually being swayed into it, his conclusion was self control is the most important feature to have in a woman. So, he started evaluating women based on little easier to see examples of self control.
perhaps I wasn't clear.
she fucked me. it was intense because she realized what she had given up to fuck me. she knew she gave up any chance of fully respecting her man or thinking he was the best she could do.
I love women who reject me or make me wait.
Why?
& I just wanna fuck the bitch then I want her to leave me alone, a woman can't prove her value to me by making me wait because she already pre-emptivelg is worthless to me besides a fuck.
kind of a shit title if you ask me. how many women you know that have self control and are rational? come the fuck on.. AWALT.
Women. Will. Never. Be. Rational. All. The. Time.
If you want to date a man then go ahead and date one. We won't judge you.
not a bad thing when you see them as they are: leaves it open up for handling.
it's just that your title is a fallacy based on the content in the post. guess it worked to fool the nice guys and white knights to upvote it, but still... as I said: AWALT. all women are sluts, important is that she's slut with you .. too.
and thanks for the suggestion about dating a man, but you should be the one to consider it since you were not able to attract that woman. maybe you'll have a better chance with males, you know.. those nice guys and white knights male sluts.
6/10 troll
started off strong and then fell into cheap retorts aimed at healing a wounded pride on the internet.
i'll make another topic tomorrow, do better
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Could you elaborate on the story with the girl who didn't want to fuck you but you gamed her into it?
There's nothing more to elaborate.
We met. She had all the signs of a woman not looking for a man, but in my younger days I was a savage. I felt the need to prove myself, to find my self worth through other men's women.
Her hair tied back. Not looking around the room. Dressed conservatively. Ordered a light, but flavorful beer(peroni to be exact). She wasn't there to get fucked up or fuck someone.
But men have the ultimate power. Women love our cocks more than we love using them. The most handsome man alive can juggle the hottest woman alive and her best friend and their best friend.
No woman can make me do anything I don't want to, but men talk women into getting out of their own way all the time, it's called game.
Yeah, but I don't have any game. I was hoping you could explain your game.
I'm a Caveman. I have Caveman Game.
I'm Daario Naharis from Game of Thrones: I'm the simplest of men, I just do exactly what I want to.
If I think a woman is hot I tell her she turns me on. I'll put my hand on her hand and spin her around. I'll stare straight at her tits with no subtlety. I get away with it because it's not an act. Because I'm unforgiving and women love men who are confident in who they are.
We live in a world full of liars and I tell women the truth. I don't give a fuck if they don't want to fuck me. I can walk away at any time. I don't need to lie and women like that.
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IKR women are whores basta
feel better now? look i'm part of a circlejerk, mom!