Summary:
Women shit test us to find chinks in our armor. Since desire is non-negotiable, I've learned to "shit test" women to see if they see me as someone with sexual value. I want to share my experience and what I learned to perhaps help you with 'smalltalk' and add another layer to your frame.
Body:
The Intro
Women shit test us. They do in unintentionally and intentionally. There's plenty of literature on TRP about this, so I'll sum up the best way to look at it from a comment someone here left once.
"Imagine someone hands you a crystal ball and they say it's unbreakable. What's the first thing you do? You throw it on the ground to see if it breaks."
When a woman shit tests you, she's trying to see if you break. In fact, You're unbreakable until proven breakable, and once you're breakable, it's over. She's testing your frame, your viability as an alpha, assessing your ability to procreate.
So why might I shit test a woman? I'm not trying to test her frame or whatever. I'm trying to see if I can fuck her. Or rather, if she sees me as someone she wants to fuck.
I'd like to be able to know sooner rather than later if she's interested, because if she's not, I'm moving along.
I saw this video from RSDTyler a while back. It's worth a watch, but in short, the betabux making sexual and lewd comments was dismissed and vilified, while Tyler (alpha) said similarly sexual and lewd comments and was smiled with and flirted with.
He goes on to explain that the women see the betabux as the provider, and not in a sexual way. When the beta says something sexual, he's told "no, you can't say that." The women were trying to force him back into the little betabucksbox where he belongs - he's so beta he's not even supposed to be sexual. They don't even SEE him as someone who could even possibly BE sexual. He shouldn't even be TALKING about sex.
Hmm, I thought to myself. I wonder....maybe.....if I make a sex joke, or a joke about sex, or a sexual comment, her reaction would tell me everything I need to know about how she's seeing me.
The Experiment
I remember the first time I gave this a shot. It was in my summer of TRP discovery 2 years ago and I was on a Tinder date.
I've always been a pretty witty guy so coming up with comments right off the top of my head isn't an issue for me, but saying them definitely was.
So I'm out with the girl (first time meeting), and we're talking, having a beer or two, and eventually I say:
"I really like going to bars for trivia" "omg me too!" "really?" "yeah!"
I think about the RSDTyler video and go for it.
"ok, well, maybe after we've had sex a few times, if it's not too awkward, you can come."
and....she smiled, and laughed, and said OK. I made a sex joke. Not even just a sex joke, a joke about SHE and I having sex, and she liked it. I got away with it, which meant she saw me as sexual.
We fucked that night. And she was a plate until she moved away.
The Test
Thus evolved my strategy. When interacting with a girl, I find a way to insert something playfully sexual into the conversation, even innocuously. It's always possible. Talking about "Game of Thrones"? Accuse her of being into midgets. Jokes and playful accusations are the best ways to go. If When she shit tests you, agree and amplify with something sexual.
If anything about sex comes out of your mouth, you have a chance to evaluate her. Eventually you'll get better at making it seem natural.
If she laughs, has a positive reaction, or even a neutral reaction: you're good. She likely sees you as someone with sexual value. Build on it.
If she has a negative reaction, says "ew, that's gross" or "don't say stuff like that" you're more likely being seen as without sexual value. Escalate in other ways and give it another chance if you want, but it's probably a next.
But if she says something negative in a positive manner, like "OMG you're sooooo naaassstttyyyy" and playfully slaps you on the shoulder, that's great. That's my favorite.
Anyway, you get it. You've got nothing to lose. If a comment lands, congrats. If it doesn't land and she throws the drink in your face, well, you weren't getting laid anyway.
In Conclusion
Definitely don't abandon kino and other classic escalation things. This is a supplement, not a replacement.
This "shit test" has worked really well for me and for my friends who I've encouraged to give it a shot. Desire is not negotiable, so figure out how she sees you as early as possible. It's amazing what you can get away with down the road when you know that she sees you as alpha.
Eventually it will just become part of your game and you won't think
execute sexual comment gauge reaction success?
As for the reverse, the Tinder dates where my comments were not accepted in strides ended with a wry "ok yeah nice to meet you, see you soon....!"
Eventually I evolved this little test to be used during sex, but I'll do that in a part 2 because the post got long (if people like this one)
Lessons Learned:
She won't fuck you if she doesn't see you with sexual value.
Shit test her your own way - joke about sex or say something with sexual undertones to gauge her reaction. If it's positive or neutral, you're on your way. If she recoils and reacts negatively, she might be seeing you as provider and you must reassess.
You cannot negotiate desire. Find out if she desires you early and exploit it.
Thanks for reading! I welcome any insight, criticism, experience, etc.
I've been saying and doing similar for a while now. I'm glad somebody made the time to write something up for shit testing women.
If you were a billionaire, actor, sports star etc you'd be shit testing the hell out of women to see if they are worthy of your commitment. Men of value don't just give away their committment to any ordinary woman. They look for the princess that will make a good investment and will make sure that she is.
Alphas don't have to win women over, women have to win THEM over. Be the alpha. Shit test women and watch how they begin to try prove themselves to get your approval.
It's so fucking true. Assume that you are the prize.
No assumption necessary. You are the prize, period. A woman's entire survival strategy involves her hitching her wagon to your caravan and enjoying the benefit of your guidance and navigation.
But you don't hitch a wagon to your train unless its hauling something that's worth the extra weight. So it only makes sense to inspect the contents.
wow...you think of it and...Viola'...your the prize instantly...are you serious? as if majority of readers here are ...that close of being "the prize" status.
The thing is you can 'just be yourself'TM around women as a form of shit testing.
If she is shit testing you to see if you will break, if you just act exactly how you want to i.e making sex jokes, you are essentially observing if she is trying to break you. If she doesn't make too much of an attempt to control you or put you in a neat little box, you can assess if in a relationship she would attempt to limit what you want to do.
I think the idea is just be strong and brave. It takes strength and bravery to unapologetically be yourself.
Some guys are naturally high inhibition though. Or naturally have very low testosterone and therefore are not able to just be themselves as they are not biologically predetermined alphas. Males with weak jawlines for examle are naturally less aggresive regardless of their position in society.
Some guy I know. Very weak jawline. I don't personally like him, he's a manipulative asshole. to women and everyone around him. He gossips and talks alot of shit. Somehow, this guy had 2 girls fight for him, physical fights. his now ex-girlfriend against some plate. This guy made them fight. The ex won. He left her soon after accusing her of cheating with no evidence. Went out with a few others, ended them. He's now with another one. The guy was fat during that as well. I've seen his sibling, fat as well, it's in their genes. Jawlines/other body parts have nothing to do with being an Alpha. Being an alpha is a mindset, so is being a beta. You have to change your lifestyle/way of thinking to jump between one to the other. I'm not saying this guy is an alpha because I know him too well to be one, but being an alpha is much more than just having a good jawline.
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Can't speak for all of the women but maybe three of them I knew a little. The one he's with now, we were friends. She was really into me 1 year before they started going out. She behaves like a child, very kiddy. Except when she's drowning in make up or on Facebook because everyone is high and mighty on Facebook. They started dating, he'd see us talking and he'd walk up to me asking me what she said, whether it was about him. It was like watching 15 year olds. A few months after they started dating and he went on his jealously tangents, he kept referencing old jokes/messages her and I talked about. I'm assuming he read through every message we sent to each other. He's easily very jealous. he got pissed Everytime he saw me with her. Repeatedly "told" her to stop speaking to me. Nearly ended their relationship because of it. he saw me as a threat I'm assuming.
Thanks for bringing that up by the way I forgot to look at the quality of women.
The other two, one was chubby/fat. very annoying talks non stop, just like him. I can honestly say, I've never seen someone speak so much whilst not really talking about anything. This one was the plate. Whenever she speaks to me I try and avoid it so she would stop speaking to me Everytime she saw me.
Now, his ex that also fought for him over the plate, she started helping me out once, voluntarily. Before they dated, she tried to get to know me, I didn't respond. She's the one he promised to marry, have kids, move in together, become a family for ever and ever etc. They're relationship was cringy throughout. She's someone you can fuck after knowing for a few hours.
Quality of women definitely something I overlooked in these situations. They're not much but he got his dick wet numerous time, so kuddos for him I guess.
It's true that having a good jawline will not make an alpha, but women may make assumptions based upon biologically attractive physical attributes, especially early on.
What I mean is that the AFC who dresses well etc and looks almost like an alpha externally, but still has a BP mind, will be in for a rough ride because he may be able to bang high value women by accident, not know exactly why, and then be unable to handle them and suffer the consequences.
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You'll always lose a game of comparing yourself to others. Jawline or no alpha is an internal state not an external one.
same. I've always just done this naturally but never thought about it.
10/10 post.
I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing at even the hypothetical notion of commitment as a billionaire. Elon Musk much?
Most of the time I just assume marriages at that level are for show or political reasons, putting on a facade. Sometimes not though. The only real reason I could see for getting married for me personally is to have kids. If you have THAT much money, there's definitely a way to get around the marriage part.
Old money scions are still wed to others like them for business/political reasons, but for those not at that level (don't know about others here, sure as fuck isn't me - a few mil is chump change), marriage is just stupid even with kids.
A lot of the older generation of billionaires are married. It's a more recent phenomena where they don't, and we all know why that is here on TRP. But commitment also refers to any period longer than a few fucks or whatever. Some guys like short-term relationships even if they're not in it for the long haul.
This is a good write-up.
I'm actually writing a comprehensive guide to flirting and teasing as we speak, and I can tell you that your insights into testing a woman's buying temperature are very close to dead-on. I'll tell the mods to point you.
Stay tuned for my post. I think you will find it interesting.
+1 this is my stick point, I don't know how to be sexual
Step 1: Cut a hole in the box.
Step 2: Put your junk in that box.
+1 wouldn't mind reading it.
can you send me a message when you posted it?
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Help a brother out and hmu when he posts it
Make sure to include examples of kino.
Thanks for the compliment and the point! I am honored.
Looking forward to your eventual post on the topic.
Would love to see your flirting guide.
This is very good and I'm adding it to my toolbox for future use.
I don't like the name "shit test", it's a misnomer. I prefer Mystery's term: "Congruence Test". This implies she's testing your congruence or frame.
For men, there is the concept of "Compliance Test", is she allowing you to lead? Like taking her by the hand and spinning her: if she complies, she is allowing you to lead.
Yours is like a "Lover Test" or "Sexual Test", does she see me as a lover or as a provider? does she see me as a sexual man?
Coincidentally, I figured out that if a girl didn't want to kiss me the first time I'm meeting her (first night if I meet her in a pub, or first date if online), it's 99% sure she wants me as a boyfriend (provider).
Like, she has this cute movie in her head where things must happen so and so, and progress at this pace, and kissing in the first encounter doesn't happen in this movie of hers.
Correlation has shown me that in this case, sex might come down the road (or might not, as well), but also will end in very high drama when I set the non-monogamy rules and she absolutely refuses to hear anything about it (because it doesn't conform to the movie in her head) so in these cases I also stop pursuing them.
Dammed thats an eye opener
I haven't tried it yet, but from reading this thread I bet you could attempt a "beta/provider test" by saying you're a starving artist, or something similar that indicates you don't have much money. Maybe say it jokingly, maybe pretend to be serious. Gauge her reaction.
I assume the strategy that you mention is to not display provider qualities, only lover ones. Chase Amante writes a lot about that. You want to not display any provider qualities whatsoever as to keep them in the fast track.
This is indeed what I try to do.
Theres something known as an early frame announcement. You let her kbow youre somewhat of a d bag and the rest takes care of itself
The best term is polarizing
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Yup, not just AFBB, but women want to act out the fantasies that have been sold to them just as much as anyone.
I really do believe that a lot of fun in life comes from the culmination of culture and established meanings being role played through certain events or facades that we're all aware of. Women, in this case, want to have the boyfriend experience. That's the only time being a mushy guy will get you anything. But once she's tired of the BF experience--and she will be, well you know. Additionally the BF experience is of course...a waste of time if you just want sex. Which is why most BP guys get incredibly frustrated and hamster away any Chaddenings that occur (that would be Chad happenings)
It must be fucking nuts to be a woman in this day and age. Almost all of them have an ungodly level of abundance mentality if you were to compare them to men. One of the most mindblowing aspects of TRP (and there was many), was realizing that women simply don't give a shit about sex the way guys do. It's on tap for them, and sex is symptomatic of the validation/greater fantasy she's playing out with her choice of chad. Hence why women seldom go for men who don't have some sort of "thing" going for them that equates to social capital of some kind. That thing can vary greatly, so at least you can get creative.
So basically what your telling me is after 7 years, I should probably read the mystery method lol
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"You cannot negotiate desire. Find out early & exploit it."
This. 100x this.
Doing this was a big turning point in my game and felt incredibly liberating. I remember the first time I did something of the sort was on a bowling date. Was showing her how to throw and said "Jesus your hands are small. My dick is gonna look huge in those things." She laughed and I was kind of surprised I just blurted it out.
Now I try to introduce sex into conversation as early as possible to set the frame of the interaction. This was she's thinking about fucking so when I escalate kino it's greeted with a positive reception and she knows my intentions.
I do this in person and in message form on tinder to avoid wasting time and money on dates. If they don't take kindly to the sexual comments then it's time to move on however if they do, then the chances of hooking up on the first date are much higher as I've already set the tone.
Thanks for a solid post.
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I haven't had any blowouts as a result of making such comments. On Tinder, worst case is they unmatch or just stop responding. When going out to game, which is rare due to my schedule and small social circle, worst is they just disengage and go back to their friends in which case I just assume they weren't that interested anyways.
I've no idea what my close rate is but most of it is either from tinder or friends of friends and I'd say it's high. I'm in my early - mid 30's and date those around 25 and up for reference.
Man, I've been working on a topic JUST like this so I'm actually glad you broke the ice.
Male shit tests are EVERYTHING. I give them out over and over, 5-6 per date, per interaction, and it's how I've learned to recognize sluts immediately.
Thanks for the write up mang
I wouldn't mind seeing your take on it. Gauging sexual interest is always a fascinating topic.
teaching men how to demonstrate their value and worth is my FAVORITE topic
Probably the MOST important thing when it comes to getting laid. I do the same, I can't even think of shit i say right now. It just kinda flows out when she says something. But just like OPs example, usually I'll make a comment about her and I and gauge her reaction.
Exactly; that's why the topic is so hard to write, I'm spending the past couple of weeks paying attention to it to try and figure it out.
I'll write down things I say too
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Coming very soon.
I warn you: it's verbose on a grandiose level
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Sure thing, thanks for reading. Looking forward to your experiences and perspectives on this topic!
It's going to be long
Very long
While RSDTyler is a PUA, I'd say that his video is seminal in terms of TRP theory. The way he exposes the sexual shaming of beta providers is brilliant.
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Yeah, that's what I don't like about the PUA types. They are promoting a business so they say stupid shit like, "It doesn't matter what you look like, how tall you are, how wealthy you are, what your ethnicity is, etc, it's all about GAME!" Of course they don't want to limit their customer base.
They do have plenty of good information but their message is corrupted by their desire for money. And that vibration stuff just sounds really weird.
Why, women really like vibration.
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I disagree, vibrating is a social term a lot of nerds need to learn, and you are sticking to sterotypes, a lot of good looking 6 ft 2 men with decent muscles can't get laid, while the most ugly of mother fuckers can.
Game + Vibe can do a lot, of course games + vibe + looks is even better, but game is most important
Completely agree.
PUA seems to be about having a script, to "run a routine that works" with saying "certain lines" to "open on sets."
Where RP is about changing your perspective, your outlook, and learning about the world. In turn those changes inform your actions.
It's like the difference between "are you saying I can dodge bullets" and "you won't have to."
Not really, Its the same concept as TRP but has some great openers, we use to have /trpGame which was welled recieved, in fact I think there are some really good tinder openers on here
what i've realize it's not what you said it's how you say it, that's one of my problems i have this " 1 frequency flow " have to learn to change it up
I actually like Tyler, but I don't think this video is the best representation of what he's talking about. Once the girl starts going off on the beta after he asks if she's a pole dancer, he is kind of just sitting there and taking it. His body language is not confident at all, so we can assume when he asked her that question, he didn't really own it. Then comes Tyler who not only owns what he said, but smiles, immediately says "just kidding" and goes in for a hug. I don't think it's so much of him saying he's a dentist, as it is him not being confident about it.
As far as online community, PUAs predate TRP by a huge margin. The communities are cousins, if not (estranged) brothers.
He is the most RP that you can get.
Indeed, if it wasn't for tyler i wouln't even be introduced to... well, pretty much everything.
I found it to be kind of cringe-y to bring that stuff up when running game.. Like straight up just saying "Oh yeah he's a provider male that gets no sex and I'm the fun guy who gets laid".
Theres a million other things you can talk about when running game that aren't social/sexual dynamics and by talking about this stuff she can sniff the PUA bullshit out of you.
Usually you wouldn't bring it up, but if there's anything women love to talk about, it's relationships and the nature of attraction. Anyway he was trying to prove a point and didn't really look like he was trying to pick up those girls. Finally, if you're dominant and attractive enough, you can bring up just about anything and they'll eat it up.
Solid post.
Women have a feel-of-disgust response to undesirable sex that men do not. This is triggered by sex-with-the-familiar (brothers, father) and makes her feel disgust. It's designed to stop inbreeding. This goes beyond the male "eww she's nasty" disgust response. It's why it's so important not to behave like a brother or a friend - she does NOT fuck her brothers.
This isn't really a shit test at all. More akin to testing the waters or gauging sexual interest. Still solid concept, just wrongly named.
It's called many different things. I like the buying temperature metaphor someone else in the thread used, and your testing the waters.
In abstract strategy games a move is called a "probe" if it doesn't represent a significant investment but forces one's opponent to respond definitively. Speaking of strategy, you may recall that Sun Tzu thought the best formation of all was that the void, in which one appears neither weak nor strong, neither concentrated nor diffuse. When a woman shit tests, she doesn't reveal any additional information (we already know she's a woman), while that moment in the conversation requires of you a definite response.
Note how good agree and amplify appears from this perspective, even above ignoring the bullshit. It embraces the point raised, and then reframes it as simply a silly joke all along. Now she can either be (and have) fun, or keep to her point, seriously, with the risk of appearing foolish because she's missing the joke. Which do most girls go for?
This is very insightful drawingroomgentleman.
I'm in the process of compiling a body of works on power moves (strategies of power), will share in TRP when it's done.
For example, "dread" or "gaslighting" would be two examples of power moves. I like this "probe" move that you explain, have googled about it in the context of strategy games and found nothing of relevance.
Do you have any pointer or recommendation where I could investigate more about these?
http://www.amazon.com/48-Laws-Power-Robert-Greene/dp/0140280197
Also consider reading the whole sidebar, include the references contained in the assorted links. There's a fair amount of good stuff, and it will shed light on much of the discussion.
This is a shit test. by your definition women don't shit test they just test the waters too
No, a shit test is when a woman says something antagonist to you to test your manhood. There isn't really a male equivalent because men don't try to provoke women and test their "womanhood" because we are the more dominant sex.
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That's true. A shit test is testing someone's frame but we don't want women to hold the frame so why would we test it? You can try to crush it, that's all.
Shit test equivalent on women is qualifying.
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Seriously. I thought this was just standard escalation strategy.
You turn the conversation/interaction sexual to get her reaction out immediately, and to ensure that she knows where your ultimate intentions lie.
It is a well written summary but its not ground-breaking.
Scrolled around to find these comments. You should be being obviously sexual in nature until you are turned down as part of your standard game. Speaking about sex in a joking manner puts the possibility of it on the table and fires the neural pathways into thinking about the concept, so at no stage will any physical moves be a foreign concept to her.
Good post. I did something similar with a girl I work with who I eventually turned into a plate. We work at a mental hospital and part of our job is restraining patients if they get physically aggressive. She was being a bit sassy one day and I told her if she kept it up that I'd have to hold her down and put her in a restraint and that she'd prolly like it. She smiled and smacked my arm and said "You're so weeeeeeeeeird". I could tell shit was on from that moment.
Don't shit where you eat. No piece of ass is worth any halfway-decent job.
I like it. It gave me not just an insight but also a framework to build on.
I reviewed my experiences on women who I got hooked, and in the course of the interaction, somehow I stumbled on making sexual jokes that they were receptive to. They would have neutral reaction then, and I thought I made a fool of myself. But on a next meeting, they would more overtly show signs of interests.
Yep, good write up. It should be added that if she brings up anything sexual first, the test isn't so necessary (but you should build on it)
I've done this, but never codified it like you just did. I've known there's shit tests that can be run on women. I've tried to calculate them before, and was surprised I didn't get anywhere. It should be straightforward and socratic, and equally surprised there isn't a list of them circulating this subreddit.
Is it legit making a post asking, "What are the shit tests you can run on women that you know about?" Maybe that's one for an Endorsed Contributor, or maybe I'll post and see if they delete it.
I do this in online dating. The question of my job comes up EVERY TIME, so I reply, "Whoa slow down sweetheart, that's at minimum a 4th date question. IF you buy me dinner and blow me in the parking lot." If they come back with something quippy, it's on. I've had girls say stuff like, "Ugh fine, but I am NOT buying you dinner." Ding ding, we have a winner.
Great tip, should be helpful to all. Polarize hard and fast. Theres a caveat, which is a girl often won't know if she likes you until you touch her.
Run the same test, but instead of a flirty joke, use a mildly sexual touch. I think its more accurate for testing, but also likely to build attravyion.
Also its easy to fake a laugh, especially jf your joke was especially creepy. Harder fir the girl to hide discomfort from someone touching her.
You have put this theory into a great read. I have noticed this response from women that I meet on Tinder, because it's Tinder who gives a fuck. Woman who respond positively to, not to vulgar sexual jokes, are more likely to be a success.
man this is fantastic. great post.
Wow - really insightful - thanks !
Actually I've done this before (unknowingly), and I've encountered horny but high-class girls (one in particular) who will mask their desire and give you a false negative signal. But we ended up drunk and naked sometime after that so ..... I'd advise look out for false negatives. Positives are positives for sure ... but some of the subtler, classier chicks can hide what they really want and make you chase them.
And the chase can be exciting ;)
*edit - spelling
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Yup. Assume the Sale or Force the No.
Plate or Next, 1 or 0.
We are Cylons.
You are a busy guy, your time is valuable and allocated towards investing in furthering your goals. You want to minimize the amount of time spent with a girl that is not going to lead to something sexual. Friendzoning and immediately walking away from a girl who assumes you are a groveling beta prospect has potential to fuck with her mind. Her seeing you with another attractive women in the future because you as a man move on will further fuck with her mind.
I like it.
That's not shittest, that's grooming.
This kind of stuff is why I enjoy TRP. I do this naturally. Being witty came to me through building confidance and I constantly act like this with women, though I've never actually thought about the connection. I just knew it worked.
Great write up! You can also shit test women for other aspects other than sexuality. You can bring up things like gender roles, sexual past, and different personality traits.
BTW good way to see if she's down to take it in the butt too.
I have also been using the gender role topic a lot, some of them really don't know how to behave when you throw that kind of comment to them. When other women are around, they sometimes 'rescue' the shit-tested one by answering for her instead. That way they are defusing the situation because they feel their whole gender is 'under attack' (I think of it that way). In my experience, this often ends with a playful remark by the rescuer like 'never mind him, he's just like that'. Maybe I should try again after isolating first.
Pointless to shit test a woman. If she is hot then your test as a male is done.
What would be the point?
Have money, buff body, and a car and a place. Shit test will be a memory of forever past.
I've been doing this for years. Listening to Patrice O'Neal really cemented this idea into my head. The concept of making the woman qualify herself.
It's also worth noting that women's perception can shift a lot once you show them you aren't putting up with their BS and pass their shit tests while engaging other women (chum the waters :P)
This doesn't always work, some women are naturally versed in 'hoe-speak'.
I had one plate a long time ago that I listened in on her conversations with other women. She was constantly practicing what she would say to other people to evoke reactions so she would be prepared. This is why she never got anywhere in life because she had no time to do anything else.
Some women also want to be wine and dined because they feel it insinuates high value.
I've met some low value women that wanted to fuck me but in their head they aren't "that girl". So.. They don't get the dick then. Not worth your time or effort.
hmmmmm...stumbled across this sub via le random button...
what you wrote reminds me of a few things... I'm a bit of an old boy now, but I used to be on it like no bodies business, I kinda made it the thing i defined myself by in my 20's, and got very good at it.
I used to hit the town with a group of guys who were also top shelf characters...you had to prove yourself in order to go on the pull with us, and that was done by going to a park, armed with only 2 cigarettes and a can of coke, and getting sex.
we all had silly names for each other: the Captain, the train inspector, tony (don't ask, it wasn't his name), the wanderer, etc names were given by others...mine was the legend...just to add some context.
anyway...e-peening aside, and back to topic.
early on I realised that the main stumbling point was exactly that which you had identified. is this a go or not. do I move or move on.
personally i developed a bunch of tests..(this was well before ham fisted written books - that do make me lol...neg...lol, amatuer)
anyway, I great test, one of my favourites is similar to yours, but subtely different.
once you are engaged, and have a vibe between you...
tell a shit joke.
if somewhere public with others present, even better.
If she laughs, check the laugh... judge her interest based upon it (tho not just that obv) It will tell you alot about how much she is on you...
this works best when you are using the...let them work for it style of operation...but on any flex, will work beyond a certain point.
there are a few personality types this will give a false negative on...but even then...it should be obvious that thats the type of person they are and give enough away for you to still judge from their reaction.
just remember...be good, and good things will come to you. I have never lied to get into a girls pants and you don't either
I could write essay's on this topic, but i won't bore you with that.
be happy, don't be a dick and enjoy the fruits of the world ;-)
I like the fact that you admit that this won't work 100% of the time. Some things work for some situations and sometimes things just don't work out the way it should. Also, good advice, thanks.
Shit testing women (aka qualifying) is talked about a lot in the pua community. Examples:
It's just getting them to invest. Getting them telling you why they are awesome, besides having tits and ass.
Making HER qua!ify herself to YOU. Its refreshing after she had her ass kissed by the parade of faggots hoping for a kiss
Great timed thread, I've been thinking a fair bit about what I can do to shit test Women, and to answer that question I need to know what I want in Women, and what aspects of their qualities will they display if they have that, then what can I do/ask to test for those qualities.
I like the flat out sexual remark, I will definitely try this.
I really want to see more posts like this. I want to know more thoughts from TRP on sexualizing conversation.
Not gonna lie, that video kind of makes me hate women in general.
Well this is a shit-test to me.
My definition: anything that disrupts the opposing player sexual strategy to favor yours (a rapport break?)
Women forces you to reveal beta traits, men forces women to take a stance, covertly or overtly implied.
This is sidebar material
Like most of the men here, I incorporate playful banter and sexual humor into my game, and this post gives a clear explanation to consciously do what I've been doing unconsciously.
Thanks for the great contribution.
I always abide by the maxim- "do not keep female friends, only keep female fuckbuddies"
If you're not working towards that, then you're just another beta being used as an emotional tampon
Well it's kind of logical, when ugly girls try to make sexual innuendo's toward me I also respond asexual.
Making a sexual joke in an opposite sex conversation (or with gays) is covert flirting/seduction. So our great white walls instantly get raised when some low beggar tries get inside.
you've got up until about age 34 or so until women start to classify you as a creep for doing that.
I can support this post fully. One of my favorite tactics when doing online dating is not to talk about "if we meet" but rather "when we meet we, we will be fucking and doing (insert whatever you like here)."
9 times out of 10, they will say my confidence turns them on. From there, its a few messages for logistics, then meet up for the f-close.
If she dismisses me, then I don't waste any more time.
What you've learned to do is just reframe their own shit tests against them.
This is not technically a shit test but it is still a great idea.
Also, you forgot your
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I'll address your last point first.
I usually frame my interactions such that they know I'm not looking for anything serious. I NEVER directly talk about "other girls" but my lifestyle and casual attitude toward everything should generally telegraph this is not exclusive.
You'll be amazed at how long you can go on with these girls before they ask "so....what are we?" then, you hold frame, end it if you want. They come back anyway.
As far as what to do with the plates do whatever you want.
After the first date, if I like her, and it goes well, I'll consider her a plate in my mind and treat her as such. I'll generally wait until she texts me first (happens 90% of the time if we have sex and we 'fuck like she's never fucked before') and go from there.
If not, i'll reach out and say "what's your schedule like for ____." I'll invite them over for a drink. They know what's happening.
Just try different things, depends on the girl. I used to go to a bar on date 2 and maybe even date 3 but eventually I just tried to go for getting them over right away for date 2, especially if you frame it as a busy weeknight.
hope that helps.
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I really frame my interactions with them to prevent these assumptions right off the bat.
If I feel like I've layed it out as clearly as I can, their assumptions are their problem, not mine.
I've had one plate drop because she wanted to date. I let her go. She came back. We fucked for a while. Then she said she felt dirty just coming over for sex and wants to at least to get a drink before. That's reasonable to me but we haven't done it yet.
So yeah, it's possible that they'll be "disappointed" but it's not your fault if you've framed it right.
If i feel like a plate likes me more than I like her, and would push for an LTR, I'll drop. Have had to soft next a few like this. But still, they knew off the bat we were just causal. They caught feeling but my life is too busy for that right now, and I'm not the guy for that. That's true, by the way.
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Recently most of my plates have been direct-to-home. If they are cool I really don't mind going out for a drink, or if it's to a place I like and would go to anyway.
I don't contact them night-of though. I usually plan something a few days in advance.
Awesome post! Looking forward to part 2
Tyler is not alpha. He resembles lover stereotype. You may copy his style if you interested in short-term sex relationships. Chicks don't look at Tyler as LTR-material. But he got some action - because his chicks wanted some action. That's it. See at least Robert Greene's book.
Owen Cook is the most classic beta there ever was.
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Epitome of beta:
He's spent his entire adult life trying to fix being beta.
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WTF THAT VIDEO IS FUKED UP!!!!!! HOW CAN THEY DO THAT
If a girl asks you to buy her a drink, a potential comeback is "So you want me to get you drunk and take advantage of you?"
Of course, asking for a drink is a shit test in itself, but this sort of turns it around.
You're being downvoted because that isn't a productive mindset to be in. When I read that I don't imagine a sly guy with a smirk who is fun to be around. I imagine a socially awkward guy who will probably be seen as a creep no matter how physically attractive he is.
TRP 101: You're the prize. If you really want to go down that route, at least turn it into a playful comment by accusing her of trying to take advantage of you (not the drink, that is a non issue. the sex.). Maybe she's trying to get you drunk, or get herself drunk to find the courage to take advantage of you or something. It doesn't have to make sense, it has to be fun.
I guess it's all in the delivery. It works for me. If they suggest sharing a bottle of wine then it is about "getting me drunk to take advantage of me"? All done with a smirk; you can't deadpan it.
Fair point. What you say doesn't matter as much as how you say it - more importantly how you make her feel.
Rock on brother.
Now that I've stopped to think, it may have been bad advice off the bat because there are so many ways you could deliver it and sound creepy.