"I want all the perks of maternity leave — without having any kids"

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May 15, 2016

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Meghann Foye, 38, was jealous of co-workers clocking out for maternity leave, and decided she needed a break of her own. Here, the author of the novel “Meternity” (Mira, out now), tells The Post’s Anna Davies why she believes every woman deserves mandated “me time.”

You guys hear that? It's not the fact that she wants kids to get maternity leave, she just wants it to have some "me time" Equality, amiright?

And yet, after 10 years of working in a job where I was always on deadline, I couldn’t help but feel envious when parents on staff left the office at 6 p.m. to tend to their children, while it was assumed co-workers without kids would stay behind to pick up the slack.

Oh, so that "equality" women have been wanting so bad now rears it's ugly head. You know, since men have to work longer hours throughout the entire week while not being able to see their kids but it's all justified since you need "me time." Fucking pathetic.

Of course, that didn’t happen. But the more I thought about it, the more I came to believe in the value of a “meternity” leave — which is, to me, a sabbatical-like break that allows women and, to a lesser degree, men to shift their focus to the part of their lives that doesn’t revolve around their jobs.

You guys get that? "To a lesser degree" cause men don't need to see their families.

For women who follow a “traditional” path, this pause often naturally comes in your late 20s or early 30s, when a wedding, pregnancy and babies means that your personal life takes center stage. But for those who end up on the “other” path, that socially mandated time and space for self-reflection may never come.

Are you fucking serious? Holy shit, the narcissism in this women is off the fucking scale. In other words, "I wasn't givin all the attention I wanted out of life so now it's societies fault that I have to work and support myself just like feminism wanted

When I graduated from college in the early 2000s, I enjoyed the same unspoken expectation shared among my fellow Gen-Xers: If you poured your heart and soul into your career, you would eventually get to a director level and have the flexibility, paycheck and assistants beneath you to begin to create a work-life balance. Then the 2008 recession hit, and people were lucky to have jobs at all. Assistants and perks disappeared across industries, and I felt like the cultural expectation was that we should now be tethered to our desks and our smartphones.

Oh you poor poor baby. Having to work more in order to make a successful career and actually move up in the work place.

It seemed that parenthood was the only path that provided a modicum of flexibility. There’s something about saying “I need to go pick up my child” as a reason to leave the office on time that has far more gravitas than, say, “My best friend just got ghosted by her OkCupid date and needs a margarita” — but both sides are valid.

Both are validated? Wanting to go get wasted with your friend and look for a new Chad compared to having to take care of your child. Jesus fucking Christ...

Honestly, I can't keep reading this shit. If you want to read more just click on the link.

Lessons Learned:

  • Women wanted equality. They got it. Now they realize taking on a mans responsibility isn't what they expected when they asked for "Gender Equality"

  • Give her an inch and she'll take a fucking mile

  • Women do not want to work as much as a man has to to. Period.

  • Western Feminism is Cancer.

  • Want to know why women on aggregate don't make the same amount of money? "Meternity" leave will only further devalue your potential earnings. This self obsessed laziness and entitlement is the type of hubris that will lead to the economic collapse of the West.

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Title "I want all the perks of maternity leave — without having any kids"
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Date 15 May 2016 01:18 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 327 points328 points  (29 children) | Copy

Women never wanted equality. They THOUGHT they wanted equality but actually wanted all the perks and benefits that men had without all those pesky risks, obligations, duties, and responsibilities.

[–][deleted] 76 points76 points | Copy

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[–]polakfury2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How did that work out for Florina. Almost destroyed a company lol

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy

"When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination." - Thomas Sowell

[–]afkb39sdfb5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love sowell. Probably one of the greatest Economist in human history in my opinion, and he's not a big fan of feminism at all.

[–]horoblast71 points72 points  (10 children) | Copy

Women love equality, but don't really want to work longer hours than men, don't want to work in the mines, fishing boats, oil platforms, factories, etc. Also don't seem to like to be drafted in the millions if war would break out, forced to go fight for several minutes and get shot for the glory of your country!

The women who do want equality, usually aren't the femenazis and are just "women", they do they part in life just like the men, they get degrees, go to work, raise their children and have a loving family. If you bitch about "work equality" but choose a liberal arts degree or equivalent, sigh ...

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

What women don't realize is that equality is like a scale.

You can't throw more freedoms/privileges on one side without a corresponding amount of duties/responsibilities on the other side.

This chick has a pretty bad idea because it gives people a year off of work associated with maternity leave (female privilege) with no corresponding responsibility (raising children). Just like giving women the right to vote without owning property and/or being drafted into the military.

When women (especially feminists) look at equality they only see one side of the scale. They don't see that for all the talk about male privilege that goes on there is a huge amount of male responsibility on the other side.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every person's privilege is another person's burden to bear.

[–]swolebird2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The same scale goes for maternity leave:

  • "freedom": time off

  • responsibility: time off because you have an infant that needs taking care of.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

The age when feminism took off, the 1960s, was a golden age for the west. 40 hour work weeks, chicken in every pot, car in every driveway, etc. Men knew that for that to happen it took thousands of years of men giving their blood, sweat, and tears to creating what is known as "civilization". They also knew hard times would come again and once again men would be required to work themselves to death in a bad economy or go die in a desert or rice patty or other foreign land to keep western civilization alive and safe for women.

Women saw what men had in "the good times" and wanted it at any price. Women wanted power, and now they have it.

They reveled in it while times were good. Coasting on the fumes of what they last great generation of men created. I want to see how they handle it in the darkness ahead. And doing so without assistance in a world in which no one cares what happens to them (at best).

Looking at the world today they don't seem to be doing a very good job. I think I'll have another beer.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I want to see how they handle it in the darkness ahead.

Regression. We will get the pendulum swing back into traditionalism where women confess and admit to their weakness to face the darkness alone. Men will do what we've done since the dawn of time and shoulder the burden once again. It's the natural ebb and flow, with men always trapped in the undertow while women are safely on the life raft above it all.

[–]2wiseclockcounter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

only when enough young 20 year old feminists who are doing their thing right now become old and bitter and lose their chance at a family, and the women who currently fit that category live out their repulsively desperate excuse of a life, will we see a new generation of girls who enter adulthood with an accurate insight into the reality of feminism.

Too bad the only way it will happen is if men temporarily and unanimously agree not to impregnate the harpies. Fuck us all to hell, though-- the state will give them their baby instead.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women didn't want equality, they wanted more.

[–]hhamama6627 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Women are constantly patting themselves on the back over how difficult their lives are and no one corrects cause the wanna fuck 'em" -Bilk Burr (who also married a feminist cunt)

[–]PeanutFlavor6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

That last part makes me nod in disgust, how he could settle down with a woman like Nia--she comes off pretty arrogant for someone who really isn't very attractive. She's very much a basic hair-hatted black chick

[–]hhamama660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I listened to them argue over a guy who asked Bill whether he would rather have a gay son that's a who're or a daughter that's a who're and she just exploded like "waaahhh that's not how the world should work" when he brought up the obvious fact that women don't have to do Jack shit if they want to whore around.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

"With the joy of responsibility, comes the burden of obligation." -- Hank Hill

The joke being that Hank Hill believes responsibility is a joy, a gift, an honor. And that performance is a foregone conclusion.

[–]through_a_ways3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They THOUGHT they wanted equality but actually wanted all the perks and benefits that men had without all those pesky risks, obligations, duties, and responsibilities.

Replace men with grownups, and women with children

Then realize that women have more childlike physical features

[–]Stythe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's too late to admit they were wrong. entire generations of kids have been raised with this mindset. It would take generations to reverse and most people are too blind to even see the issue. Hopefully opinions like hers will eventually show people how fucked up this all is. How long can men sit here and be ridiculed, ignored and abused so openly? Eventually something have to give.

[–]aanarchist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

aka even more privilege than they already had.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Correction they wanted the perks and benefits the top 1% of men have. They sure as shit didn't want to sweat in a factory all day, drive a truck, or pick up trash like men often do.

[–]321LTD1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They wanted what any group who is entitled wants:

Power without Responsibility

The reason is simple. It's regression to childhood. The only time a normal person has power without responsibility is as a child. The same is true for people who want to get drunk or high. Ever notice how the behaviors adult children indulge in while stoned are the same as children (video games, cartoons, sweets)?

Or losers who want communism or socialism. Teenagers and racial agitators. Drug addicts and narcissistic people. They all have this theme in common.

When a person who lives in a subjective reality is confronted with objective reality, they can either deal with it, avoid it with rationalizing, or deny it with delusion. That's why the disordered and the inferior are always engrossed in psychotropics, fantasy or fiction; they're going back into their childhood using tools in the present.

Look for the desire for power without responsibility as a pattern and you will see it the most vocal and least effective members of society.

[–]sickofbeingaffraid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

part of women's strategy is to believe their own lies

[–]EvilPenName105 points106 points  (12 children) | Copy

Good thing about this is most women who had kids were very quick to attack her on this idea. They quickly point out maternity leave isnt for vacation.

So while we can easily throw out the equality sucks card, when women fight women its fun to watch. I dont think this will become a thing.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (10 children) | Copy

I agree as well. Its just scary that there are women who actually think like this

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang53 points54 points  (4 children) | Copy

They all think like this. Although Ms. Fat Femiwriter made such a fool of herself with this idea that even women laugh at her, that special red pill vision is here for us so that we don't miss the forest for the one stooopid crooked tree that really stands out like a sore thumb.

It's absolutely the normal basic bitch mode of thinking: "She gets X, why don't I get X?"

Or: "Men get to X, but I have to raise babies, no fair why don't I get X?"

Or: "My best friend is getting married. Why can't I ever meet a guy who isn't a manchild?"

Monkey see, monkey complain. Since the fucking dawn of all time, they've been like this. Only thing you can do is heartily laugh. I feel bad for this poor woman, you can really tell she wrote her screed after following what the blue pill world told her is a "valid path" for her to the letter, and instead of all the success she was promised and having it all... she's now finding herself alternating between being jealous of colleagues who are having children and being miserable & bitter because she ain't got any chance of doing the same now. Maternity leave? It must really hurt bad, it's like they're all rubbing it in her face on purpose.

She's fucked... bought the lie, got fucked and chucked by the blue pill operant conditioning, and it wasn't even a studly Chad, it was some abhorrent social engineering monstrosity that fucked her right in the brain. There are millions of these poor women, betrayed and abused by the system - as soon as they stopped being "our women" and lost the protection of their men (what they call "becoming independent"), they never stood a snowball's chance in Hell. Every man knows this deep down, and the question of how the fuck do men continue to allow this miserable "independence" to happen to their women often gives me pause. Never mind the women, it was a real slight of hand that the enemy's pulled to convince men that they are not responsible for nor have any ownership over their womenfolk.

[–]RobertCarraway11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think you're right on the money with all this.

question of how the fuck do men continue to allow this miserable "independence" to happen to their women often gives me pause.

I've been asking myself the same question. I'm quite sure the answer lies in Game Theory. If you are not familiar with Ben Hunt then I highly recommend you check him out. His schtick is the understanding of how markets are manipulated using the "common knowledge" game. E.G. When it comes to taking action, what you believe is less actionable than what you believe everybody else believes.

It's the scaled up version of "think how you like but act like everyone else". This principle, on a mass scale, dictates social and financial behavior, and explains how the status quo can remain the same even when large percentages of the population know the truth to be otherwise.

Ben hunt calls it "The power of the Crowd watching the Crowd" - and the first person to look at RP theory through Game Theory is going to open up new vistas of understanding for all RP men.

[–]razormachine2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is perfectly fine to want equality. I'm going to take a regular job with man and woman workers just for example.

A man also want's equality on his job, but he is way more realistic when "weighting" that equality. If for instance his collage is having a higher paycheck but has to work harder then him, man will take that into consideration. Only when a collage is for instance having a higher paycheck that is not justified in some way will the man feel injustice.

Woman on the other hand cherrypick. All they see is the benefits, and ignore the other side.

So the waige gap myth is still raging although it is proven that man work longer hours than woman, and they receive higher pay on the same jobs because they work longer (invest more time and work). Woman simply do not care... all they want is the good stuff.

[–]2Overkillengine7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Woman on the other hand cherrypick. All they see is the benefits, and ignore the other side.

Heh. I've had female coworkers who had been in the company longer complain that I made more than them. I put in more effort, got promoted, and had more responsibilities bullet-pointed in my performance evals even back when I was entry level than they did after working there 5+ years.

Which was extra amusing when they went to management whom were also female expecting Team Woman to back them up, they were then smacked down for their hubris.

The concept that preferential treatment is reserved for those that leverage being useful had apparently escaped them. Unfortunately for a lot of women, merely possessing a vagina by default gives them leverage in their social lives they take for granted until they are put in a situation where vagina is not useful.

[–]AragornRF0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Every man knows this deep down, and the question of how the fuck do men continue to allow this miserable "independence" to happen to their women often gives me pause.

I'm fucking enjoying this. They got what they really don't want and rotting like hell.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

(This is a repost of my comment because accidental poor formatting made the bot remove my initial comment. I've added the Edit section, though)

I've missed OP's post (content is deleted now) but, as a woman myself, I honestly think that all women absolutely think like this, to a degree. It's only natural. We are the more vulnerable sex and feel that we should be taken care of, and especially after we've had a child. But modern women want the privilege of being taken care of without fulfilling their part of being true women and benefiting the males in their lives with their femininity. Feminism has made modern women very entitled, and this is a good example.

Edit: I got banned from one of my favorite subreddits for this comment, which is my first comment in this subreddit. I am actually a black woman writing this from the view of a black womanhood. Black women have historically not had the same luxury as women of other races of being cared for financially to focus on the labor of childbearing and rearing. In writing this comment I meant that some aspects of modern feminism have made already privileged women more entitled.

Also, after surveying this subreddit, I must add a caveat that I'm not a redpiller. I'm a young woman who disagrees with a lot of modern ideology, including modern feminism.

[–]Dayman_ah-ah-ah0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yea some subs will auto-ban you for posting here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wish I'd known. I was a little disappointed at how the censorship worked, though: the mods were not open to entertaining or discussing any dissenting views, even though from my history in their sub and on Reddit I'm just an average non-threatening user.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I witnessed a few girls in a class at my university tear some girl apart for talking about "sexism and objectification of women" in renaissance art.

I sat there with a smirk on my face feeling like Mr. Burns...


[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

They whined fought tooth and nail to have the right to get up early, drive through traffic, work a 9-5 in a cubicle with expectations and deadlines, then come back through traffic to tend to other errands and responsibilities 5 days a week. They got it.

[–]anglertaio4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They didn’t do that either. Men did feminism, just like everything else good and bad except child-rearing.

[–]1Entropy-727 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

To be fair, employers have traditionally gone easy on parents while not cutting singles any slack even if the latter were better workers and more dedicated to the company.

[–]anglertaio0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When society was saner, we all recognized that that kind of thing was just. What the employer gives the employee is not only proportioned to the work done. It’s also proportioned to the needs of the employee and his family.

Speaking of society in general: those who are not contributing to the future of the society with children should not be rewarded on a par with those who are.

[–]1Entropy-71 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was also back in the day when taxes were a lot lower and not given out as subsidies to breeders.

[–]2popthatpill50 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy

Much as a I expected, all the whining by women about maternity leave had much more to do with the "leave" than the "maternity".

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (21 children) | Copy

The only thing keeping her from experiencing maternity leave herself, is the 38 years worth of snack weight on her frame.

[–][deleted] 47 points48 points  (7 children) | Copy

why are the most entitled idiots always fat?

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy

most succeptable to unchecked indulgance.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being fat signifies..

-Lack of discipline (unwilling to exercise and/or eat within healthier parameters)

-Lack of insight (people should love me for who I am! Healthy at every size! My doctor said I was overweight, what a chauvinistic pig!)

-Envy of others (your beach ready bikini bod is triggering me!!!!1!)

These traits are also applicable to entitlement attitudes.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Got that backwards. The same faulty brain leading them to think being fat is okay leads them to come up with other retarded ideas.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a defense mechanism of the ego to react like that

[–]gmoney88697 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

All behavior is reducible to sexual-social strategy. These grotesque women have no biological value to anyone, both men and women want nothing to do with them. Therefore sexually successful men and women are her enemy, the possess social respect and desire she is desperate for, which this fat troll has rationalized in to jealousy over maternity leave.

She is also now coming of an age where her body is demanding that she get pregnant immediately, or else she will hit menopause. But because she rejected a feminine life, she knows deep down that she will die miserable alone, like all failed organisms do. So she asks for a conciliation prize as a way of asking others to validate her failed life.

Remember, the entire life cycle of animal emotion is entirely based on sexual value. There is no other way for an animal to be "happy".

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy

I wouldn't make assumptions about her weight. From what I can tell she is one of those feminist, man hating, "I don't need no man" career women who has ridden the CC but never allowed herself to become attached. Is now post wall and nearly past childbearing age and is finding actually being somewhat equal (and having to bear some of the same duties and risks) sucks royally.

She will never have to face them entirely though, thanks to the pussy pass and big government.

[–]aewiggin47 points48 points  (10 children) | Copy

No assumptions necessary http://i.imgur.com/yAF2Chlh.jpg

[–]GC0W3026 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Based on where that pic cuts off, it'll be like my online dates: every SINGLE one who doesn't have her knees in at least one of her pics is a goddamned iceberg with a belly that could hold a kid, even if she's NOT pregnant.

[–]Ardgarius4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus even the studio lighting and caked on makeup can't hide the extra chins and the effect gravity is having on her jowls.

[–]watcher453 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bet the photographer is holding a cake behind the camera to get her to put in the effort to smile.

[–]2Overkillengine3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her features are mostly symmetrical and her teeth appear to be in acceptable condition. Had she properly managed her weight and choices in men, she could have easily been partaking of maternity leave too.

Women complain they have to make a choice between career and childbearing, never quite realizing men don't get a choice between socioeconomic success and family. If they want quality out of the second, it requires the first.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I stand corrected lol.

Her face is still pretty enough she could land a husband and have a family if she wanted to though. It just wouldn't be with a top tier guy.

[–]ponkyol12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Often the fat hides wrinkles. If she lost weight she'd look like a hag. An improvement, but a hag nevertheless.

[–]Squeezymypenisy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

She said her friend got ghosted, its usually fat women that have that happen to them.

[–]gmoney88690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she has money why should she do that? The betas that would take her do not earn her any social standing among women, only alphas do.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

half of the face, maybe.

One of those ones that could shrink down to average, if she could lay off the ho hos

[–]watcher450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a modern application of the "twinke defense ".

[–]spicedncoke 23 points23 points [recovered] | Copy

I couldn’t help but feel envious when parents on staff left the office at 6 p.m. to tend to their children, while it was assumed co-workers without kids would stay behind to pick up the slack.

To be fair to her, I was in a similar position as her on this. My last job in a small Accounting office had at least 4 people that came in at least 30 mins late and/or leave 30 mins early + take hour lunch because they had to drop their kids off to daycare or take care of any kid bs. Not only that, they barely worked any OT whIle I was doing the heavy lifting. To make it worse, I was being compensated less than my peers even though I had a decent amount of experience and more education than them.

One day, my boss dropped a file on my desk the day before I go on vacation and said he needed it done ASAP. I of course, wasn't able to. He asked me to come in and work a federal holiday and I said no because I needed to pack myself and help my LTR pack so she could move cross country. Needless to say he was super pissed even though I booked this time off months in advance.

I ended up noping the fuck out of my last job for a 40% raise and I don't regret it for one second.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I ended up noping the fuck out of my last job for a 40% raise and I don't regret it for one second.

Been in the same boat and did the same thing. Was asked on numerous occasions to do my work + the work of other (female) employees who left early, and got treated like shit when I say no OT = no work from me. Quit when I got no raise for "not being a team player" when I wouldn't do unpaid overtime.

Only difference is I got a 80% raise at the next place and I hear from former colleagues that my replacement is an incompetent and unreliable pothead.

[–]RedEyesBlueShades8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

I ended up noping the fuck out of my last job for a 40% raise and I don't regret it for one second.

And herein lies the difference between a man and a woman... You realised the situation was a shitty one for you, played the game AS IS (i.e. you found another job and negotiated a higher salary), not as you think it should be (i.e. started complaining about unfairness and what not), and the results are fucking satisfying. Again for you.

Well done buddy!

[–]Wswgyg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why not do both. I've moped out of similar situations for better but also think that those situations shouldn't exist and thus resist all maternity and related perks. Play the game that exists but also do ones small part to change the rules.

[–]Rhenthalin49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

I remember this came across the radio a few weeks ago and everyone that called in thought it was the stupidest shit they had ever heard. It's not like new mothers are doing a ton of self reflection while they're learning to keep a small shit factory alive

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Self reflection seems to be a crafted way of saying I want to do nothing of consequence. To add onto that the writer wants to get paid for it.

[–]1aguy010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she was capable of self reflection this article wouldn't exist.

[–]MOCKxTHExCROSS 16 points16 points [recovered] | Copy

If you poured your heart and soul into your career, you would eventually get to a director level and have the flexibility, paycheck and assistants beneath you to begin to create a work-life balance.

Are you kidding me? How can she possibly think that working at director level will give her more free time.

[–]TheRiseAndFall5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because she probably has no idea how to actually do her job.

[–]Lipophobicity9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

So I hop on amazon because I was curious how the book was reviewed, and it turns out this is not her first. I'm not going to spoil the surprise, but note her pic in OP's link then follow mine


Any anger you have about her nerve to write such drivel will melt into laughter when you see what her last book was

[–]Serbianthuggger4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not laughing. She has free publicity on a heavily visited website and her story is going viral. She'll probably make a nice profit out of her silly idea. She's not that dumb as most people think off the bat.

[–]ECoast_Man5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow. The 'lesser extent, men' comment would be astounding to pre-TRP me. This is to be expected.

This is solipsism at its finest.

An observation to bear in mind - the conclusion a man would draw under these circumstances is that all this extra time I am doing at work justifies why I get paid more because I'm working longer hours.

This woman is unable to come to this logical conclusion. Instead, she's in the world of men and has realized that it's not all staying late with cigars and single malt laughing at women. It's hard work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. The 'lesser extent, men' comment

This was the sentence that took it from just being selfish to crossing the rubicon of crazy.

[–]1RXRob6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what's stopping her?

Why can't she save up some money, quit her job, and have six months of me time?

[–]cashan0va_0071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she writes this pos op-Ed instead of doing her work, it's no wonder she hadn't moved up and probably makes $16 an hour in an office job. But hey, she was planning on marrying a rich Prince Charming anyways. So it's not her fault.

[–]2Sepean6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't get it. If you want a sabbatical, save up for it and take a sabattical. If you want to leave your job at 6, negotiate terms with your boss that allows you to do that.

[–]CarlSagan791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. The argument would be much better worded as a sabbatical. The idea isn't too crazy and I'd argue a perk of very long term loyalty should be a sabbatical.

[–]manumus12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

“I need to go pick up my child” as a reason to leave the office on time that has far more gravitas than, say, “My best friend just got ghosted by her OkCupid date and needs a margarita” — but both sides are valid.

Well, the thing is that one of those is a real reason to leave work (assuming the child needs to be picked up, that's not something that can be delayed a few hours), and the other is something you do after work, like everyone else.

Does this bitch really think maternity leave is for rest and relaxation? It's for dealing with a small creature that shits its pants and can't hold its own head up.

[–]Magnum25620 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

To be fair, there is a very clear divide in America, by most employers, between people who have children and those who don't.

I've seen men and women abuse the fact that they have children to show up to work late, leave early, take days off. I've known men and women who pull the whole "Can't come to work, baby is sick, have to watch him/her" only to post photos on Facebook from that very day where they're at the beach with a beer in their hand or at a sports stadium or whatever else.

I understand that children are work, or at least comparatively to not having any children. But the thing is, that's everyone's choice to make. It has downsides sure, but there are long-term upsides as well. When you're old your children will look after you. Assuming you aren't a piece of shit parent you'll always have people over for the holidays even when you're an old senile pants-shitting crazy person. They'll be yours to love, and love you back, practically unconditionally, it'll be a bond you have from the day they're born until the day you die. So there's upside to it as well; which is why I can't fucking stand men or women that use children as an excuse to play hooky while the expectation is that any childless people will pick up the slack. I've actually quit jobs because of this, told my employer basically what I wrote here (about children being pros and cons, and a personal conscious choice to have them in the first place which means you pay the consequences for it as well as reap the benefits) but some conservative-type employers don't get it, they honestly believe that having children entitles certain employees (men and women) to special privileges.

I don't think this is a female issue at all, both sexes take advantage of the fact that they have children whenever possible.

edit: that said it's a bit delusional for the woman that OP is referring to expect maternity leave; that part of it, actually birthing the baby and the time afterwards to recover and be around the child more than you're not is not at all what I'm complaining about, so that part of it just makes the woman seem crazy - I'm just referring to the later stages (say 9-12 months after the child is born) where people take advantage of the fact that they have a child at home (even older children upto teenagers, etc.) to get special privileges at work.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Taking a leave of absence by saying your kid is sick and then posting pics on facebook with you on the beach is borderline asking to get fired. If there are no concequences the employer is an idiot.

[–]howard3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People in corporate captivity would do anything to feed a family. When you see photos of children in their cubes, they're trading hostages for job security.

[–]skoobled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's an abuse of the feeling that parents with children are benefiting the "tribe". It's still in theory true, but modern society is so huge and wide that the connection is stupidly distant. Unfortunately, I suppose

[–]Areu4realm80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

unconditional love parent-child? you're still in the bluepill buddy. i dont know a single person who doesnt resent taking care of their old parents. people,parents or child free, should save money for their last years. no one wants to stay with them, they are a burden.

[–]phx-au-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. I completely agree with:

There’s something about saying “I need to go pick up my child” as a reason to leave the office on time that has far more gravitas than, say, “My best friend just got ghosted by her OkCupid date and needs a margarita” — but both sides are valid.

And as someone who doesn't have kids, this is bullshit. People at work get pissed at me when I decide to fuck off for a few hours to sort out some personal shit - but it's totally cool for people to take days off because little timmy has a sore tummy.

[–]Tman56919 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unsurprisingly she's a hambeast.

[–]jkeegan1235 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe their issue is simply that they wanted equal rights with "The Man" rather than men in general? As in, The Man, the image of oppression keeping everyone down.

Because if not, I got nothing.

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the usual Apex Fallacy issue. They only see the perks that top tier men get because only top tier men register as male to them. And as such, they don't realize that lower tier men don't enjoy the same level of "Privilege".

[–]TheGatherHunter11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unpopular opinion: No employer should be paying for anyone to have kids. It's a personal choice.

I think it's all stupid to expect to get money without adding value to the company.

[–]anglertaio2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unpopular opinion my dick. You’re on reddit. No, this is the ridiculous part of capitalism and liberalism. The company has social responsibility. What right does the company have to exist in the society while paying no mind to the common good? Having kids is not a personal choice, it is the supreme socially relevant choice. A society that pretends having children has nothing to do with the common good faces certain death.

[–]Rogers_johnson3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I take pleasure in telling my female clients the state retirement age is now the same for men and women.

[–]joh21412 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the same type of bitch if she has kids goes on offmychest to bitch about how difficult it is to leave work early to pick up her kids and take care of them for additional hours after work when the man comes in not even get to see his kids to bed.

[–]blanxable4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Restored a little bit of faith in humanity while reading the article's comments.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

So this woman wants to make employers hire men only, after all the fights to get more women in male dominated fields

Shooting yourself in the foot as usual, feminists

[–]darkrood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, that's first step, getting all the men to work more.

Second step, cry for lack of government support for single moms and elderly.

Who has a full country of beta bud and fuck chads like playground?

[–]_Deadpill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

See "equality" in the terms of the spoiled, entitled western woman means this:

Men and Women's rights and "privileges" can be summed as two lists of pros equalled out by a list of cons. When a feminist says she wants "equality" she means that she wants her current list of pros AND the pros a man has, but without the cons. She wants to be the sheltered vulnerable woman that needs "me" time to sort out her feelings and "find herself" when she needs to. This should of course entitle her to pay and benefits equal to that of a man who spent that time working hard because a woman's life and feelings are obviously equally important to contributing to society.

"If women work as hard as men and get less pay... Why don't companies cut their costs and hire only women?"

[–]darkrood4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Family is the only path to provide the modicum of flexibility"

No, it does not. Kids suck away your attention and time because they need them to be well rounded individuals. Those parents who constantly use kids as excuse to leave works a lot only shoot themselves in the foot.

Does this city cow ever have a working parent as friend?!!

[–]Not_Wearing_Briefs7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

what she's really talking about is the expectation of modern corporate culture that you put their profits ahead of your own personal life, and that the only "permissible" way to escape this is by using children as an excuse. This isn't something that just women do, I have seen men do this very same thing PUH-LENTY of times e.g. "it's my weekend with the kids" or "my son has a tee ball game" or whatever it is.

the other thing is, she's right: why the fuck should I have to pick up your slack just because you have chosen to procreate and I, thus far, have not? Why do YOU get to get out of working nights and weekends because of your kids while I'm fucking stuck here doing this shit that you evidently don't have to do?

and thinking further: it's a fair point. If we're going to have maternity leave/paternity leave, why can't we also have just plain leave to go do whatever? Why should people who have children get a perq that the rest of us don't?

anyway, bring on the downvotes

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why do YOU get to get out of working nights and weekends because of your kids while I'm fucking stuck here doing this shit that you evidently don't have to do?

I'm more than happy to work all those extra hours, as long as that extra is reflected in my paycheck and promotional future. Its when the person that leaves work early when unpleasant tasks need to be done in order to "pick up the kid" yet gets paid the same (or more) and is promoted ahead of me that I have a problem.

[–]Not_Wearing_Briefs0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

if you're salaried this kind of thing is expected of you, unless of course you have children

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wasn't salaried.

Just had 2+ hours of work dumped on my desk to be done by tomorrow morning. When I said "OT?" they said no and how to get it done was my problem.

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Which is why accepting a salaried position can be a trap. Employers amazingly enough become much less enthusiastic about dumping work on the childless when they have to pay OT.

[–]Bocaj64874 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Western feminism is cancer? Feminism is cancer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is wrong. There's nothing about being in a society where you get the shit beat out of you by strangers, and wanting that to not be a thing.

This exists in part of the world, and is the reason for the "In the west" distinction.

[–]Bocaj64872 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don't need to be a feminist of any sort to treat women decently.

[–]squirrelcuisine 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

I think she is missing the mark. She probably wants what her european counterparts have. Actual vacation time.

Which we should probably consider.

Funny quote from the article.

When I graduated from college in the early 2000s, I enjoyed the same unspoken expectation shared among my fellow Gen-Xers: If you poured your heart and soul into your career, you would eventually get to a director level and have the flexibility, paycheck and assistants beneath you to begin to create a work-life balance. 

I have that AND it is completely awesome.


[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

yeah, there isn't enough D level spots for everyone. Let alone C level.

Part of the heirarchy they don't tell you. Capitalisms is equally awesome for everyone, if everyone is a capitalist. Problem is, you need other peoples labour to leverage, so we either start getting robots doing the work, or some people are going to have to settle for being 'go nowhere'

[–]squirrelcuisine 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

Or we are going to have to explore Guaranteed minimum income.

Which I am perfectly fine with. Id like to see what the world would be like if the creative people in this world didnt have to scamble for peanuts. AND the people that really DONT want to be at work WERENT there. I think that would make it much better for people like me that like it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

creative people in this world didnt have to scamble for peanuts

The problem isn't creative people scrambling for peanuts, its UNcreative people doing fuck-all and getting the same benefit as people who actually do the work.

I love my job, and I love my work. But if my boss came in tomorrow and said I would no longer be paid for it I'd tell him to fuck off and walk.

No way in hell am I getting up at 5:30am and spending an hour on the road, 8.5 hrs at work, and another coming home when the guy who was up all night drinking, smoking weed, and playing video games gets more from it than I do.

[–]SgtBrutalisk2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How does GMI do anything? My understanding of economics tells me that the prices will inflate and we're back to square one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

that still doesn't address the issue.

The issue isn't money, it's about progress, and developing freedom. Directors generally get more autonomy than managers. I often wonder if the constant career pivoting helps, or hinders that feeling of being trapped in an organization

[–]opening_eyes1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

She had me accepting and listening to her notions until "to a lesser degree men."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it makes it so obvious. why even mention that? what is the reason she, as a childless strong womyn, deserves it more than an equal guy?

[–]Scizzler1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome share. Can we stop with the "amiright" bullshit please? It's corny.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

to be fair, a lot of mothers would scoff at this lady's entitlement. Even the ny post's comment section confirms this. I think this is a pretty fringe viewpoint that most would find ridiculous

edit: It's too bad that the woman in question is so narcissistic that she devalues a point that could have been sound, that being that our work culture is ridiculous and we should insure more vacation time for those involved ala Europe. I think an article on that would have been sound, but bringing in maternity leave and comparing it to her lack of free time is where the whole premise gets discredited

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Maternity leave" involves taking time off from work to care for your child/children and do your mothering skills. Not time to "discover yourself" on a trip to SE Asia or go on an Australian cruise.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]watcher451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't be a surprised idf she didnt really believe in this idea. She wrote an article that was sure to cause a buzz and make the rounds and its connected to jer latest book. This may be nothing more than a clever marketing scheme to sell her book. Though she probably wouldn't say no if it came true.

[–]kidchillin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Taking care of a child takes about 5-6 years of stay-at-home work, the successful single-mother is a myth, her relationships with her children suck. Try it and tell the world how much of a perk it is to care for a child, it's anything but a break from work.

Keep in mind the 20 hour rule: 20 or more hours spent away from your child per week during the first 5-6 years of its life is instinctively perceived by the child as abandonment: it's devastating. It should be classified as child abuse from a psychological standpoint.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Link to this article.

Holy fuck, the title of this thread is actually the title of the article. I thought you were just paraphrasing oO

[–]NaughtyFred3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Glad I'm not in the anger phase anymore or this would really piss me off. Now it's a joke, nothing more.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the attitude to have. Land whale is bitching, nothing to see here, move on.

[–]F_Dingo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I remember reading this article a little while ago, I chuckled at it. If she wanted maternity leave she shouldn't of been a corporate busy-body and found a husband instead.

[–]darkrood3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

She bought the whole "it will be easier on the top" myths perpetuated by mid management.

[–]JohnnySkidmarx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just like they want the Army to open Infantry jobs to women. But oh no, you shouldn't make women register for selective service (the draft), that's unfair. Total bull.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This chick doesn't realise that raising a child is quite a bit of work (at least doing it properly). The women who take maternity leaves aren't just sitting around getting wasted like she wants to.

Hey, now that they've got equality, they want special privileges too.

[–]1raceAround1260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would agree with the sentiment; women battled to be equal to men. Now they have that equality, it seems that having the same expectation to be responsible for that equality isn't working out so nicely. Being equal to men isn't all it's cracked up to be, eh toots?

So now what we need is MORE equality, a world in which women spend their lives discovering themselves, occasionally showing up to the office for some professional validation, multiple men stop by to tend to their needs (maybe some hoovering, or for the hunks some good lovin') for that personal validation and of course when some mini-drama happens, the ability to exaggerate about it in lengthy prose for the world to see and sympathize with, just for that extra little bit of drama queen-ness.

God bless Guvment, God bless betas and God Bless social media.

[–]hardtostarboard20160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i want all the perks of being a woman without being a woman. hey what else is new?

[–]tractorferret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

lol this chick is the same type to put how to pronouce her name on facebook. its not megan its MEG-h-ANN

[–]malariasucks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

what no one mentioned... is that having a kid isn't like some sort of stay-cation. I was at home for a couple weeks and it was nice... no it wasnt, i would have rather have been working

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dumb hoe just talking about what she wants and peddling it with her job's website. Nothing more.

[–]DamiensLust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The whole article left my jaw dropped with the author total lack of self-awareness and the resulting narcissistic, vapid, selfish drivel that somehow passed for a legitimate article, but this part takes the cake:

Bottom line: Women are bad at putting ourselves first.


[–]erock880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think the word this bitch is trying find is "vacation" which is supposed to be EARNED, not just given to you because you can't handle 50 hours a week lol....pathetic

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I want to get high and listen to bob dylan on vinyl, but we all have work we have to do. you can't just " check out" because you feel like it.

[–]Chilly730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think that women who demand equality in the workplace should be required to work as hard as any man.

[–]DiebytheSword6660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What the hell's wrong with this woman? She has to meet deadlines at work? Welcome to Life 101, lady.

[–]watcher450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ugh. She's a ham planet too. Why am I not surprised she has this kimd of mentality.

[–]dankvibez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think maternity leave is fine in all honesty. In the western world women do work and try to move up to a cushy position in their job because they are so damn worried about not getting a promotion due to maternity leave. They have kids later, and as a result genetic quality of western children is going downhill.

I do think women never wanted the work they signed up for... 80 cents to the dollar is fine, on average women aren't choosing to work as much. We are falling in this trap that men and women's genetics are exactly the same except for the part that says "penis" or "vagina". I think the media is brainwashing more and more people into thinking this.

[–]NiceKicksGabe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

At this point, I'm convinced that everyone's just a panderer, adopting some online persona and pandering to some sub-section of the population for some gain. That's all the world is and has ever been. You don't have to believe what you say. Fuck it.

[–]Herelam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TL;DR already made a video about this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We would all become directors.

Who the fuck would be the assistants.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There's a very easy way to take me time: quit your job.

What's that? Too scared to do that?

I have the next best thing for you: take a two week vacation. (I believe most jobs these days allow that much vacation time per year).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only solution is to give everyone 3 months off every few years.. I choose jan-march.

I'll be at Daytona if anyone needs me

[–]hailhailhailandkill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's like how former pr0nstar Bree Olson wants be treated like "a married registered nurse with 2.5 kids in Indiana" although she isn't one.

Choices and consequences. One doesn't simply choose A and then collect B's fruits.

[–]sarc0lupus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You get the same culture amongst female nurses. "I want the same respect, responsibilities and a good income like doctors - most of whom are men, or at least the more intelligent women - without doing the hard work, hours and responsibility of a doctor" Nurses get pretty good pay for a job that's easy to get and doesn't need good grades, yet they act like they're minimum wage workers.

The key difference is that the male nurses don't have this same hubris and entitlement. They do their jobs, and are happy to help, and realise the benefits and downsides of their job - without whining and trying to turn it into something else.

It's definitely a female entitlement culture.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

While she has a point that people are punished in the workplace for not having kids as far as hours worked, does she not have fucking vacation? Bitch needs to take one of those eat-pray-live eurotrips her ilk fantasizes about.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women are lazy as fuck. They don't work because they are disciplined and appreciate the grind. They work because they must. All of this sounds like a child whining.

[–]cariboo_j0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I, too, would like a 9 month paid vacation "just because".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She probably wants to get back to the kitchen, where she belongs.

[–]nuesuh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women are very mature, responsible children.

[–]Flxz-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

TL;DR did a really good video on it if you guys are interested

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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