The modern blue-pill world wants men to judge women using the same standards by which they judge other men. In short, disregard a woman’s age or appearance, unless she is unusually beautiful or grotesque. Act as though appearance is absolutely no factor for the middle 80% of women. Then, focus entirely on her intellect, her personality, and her accomplishments.
Except for her past sexual “accomplishments” which don’t count, and should not be considered at all. I guess people realize that a history of sluttiness doesn’t really count as an accomplishment for women. Though, they’ll phrase that a little differently by telling you something about equality and sex-positive debauchery being important. But the truth is that fucking guys is pretty damn easy for most girls. So easy, that women take great pains not to bore you by talking about their sexual history. You know, because it’s so boring and unimportant. Out of consideration for you, they don’t mention it. Wouldn’t want to bore you to death with a horrendously boring topic like sex. Are men even interested in that?
Essentially, the modern rules state that men are supposed to disregard the three most important factors of all when gauging whether a woman is relationship material: age, beauty, and sexual history. It’s not that other characteristics are completely unimportant. They make a woman better. But you can’t make lemonade when you have pristine sugar, fresh spring water, and all of your lemons are bloated, wrinkled, rotten, and covered with semen.
But men are supposed to hold their nose and drink the rotten sperm lemonade anyway, then comment how lucky they are to have Evian water in their lemonade instead of the store brand. Because Evian is really classy and spent a summer in France… but she was considerate enough not to bore us with stories about all of the boring stuff she did there.
Is a woman with a kick-ass, pleasant, fun personality better than a bitchy or boring woman? Hell yes. Is a smart woman who can ace college calculus better than a woman who has to move her lips when reading 50 Shades of Gray? You bet. Is a woman who cures cancer better than a woman who can’t cure her own yeast infection? Definitely.
But let me let you guys in on an unpopular secret: Women aren’t actually stupid. In fact, they’re pretty smart, at least as far as their self-interest is concerned.
Women are very, very skilled actresses, and exceptionally accomplished liars. Women know the score. They know what matters to men and what doesn’t. They know what to say and what to do based on what kind of man they’re dealing with. And they know what to say and what to do to figure out what kind of man they’re dealing with.
In fact, the paragraph just above this sentence is pretty much why The Red Pill exists.
Women want men to judge them based on their personality – whether there’s a “spark” or a sense of “chemistry” there – because this is precisely how women hide the ball. A woman’s personality is not who she is. In fact, it's the opposite. A woman's personality is her greatest tool for hiding who she really is. And she is very, very good at it.
I think every guy knew at least one: the cute, virginal, nerdy, girl-next-door that you were friends with back in the day. Maybe you liked her for something more that didn’t pan out, maybe you thought she was out of your league, maybe you didn’t want to ruin her because she didn’t seem like she was into guys or dating or sex. Whatever. But fast forward a few months, maybe a year, and you find out that she’s made her rounds. That she’s “dated” (e.g., blown) half the football team, or that she has a soft spot (e.g., her vagina) for guys who play guitar in local bands, or that she casually fucks most of the guys in her friend circle – all while maintaining the carefully constructed, cute, virginal, nerdy, good-girl persona she presents to the world.
You can’t trust the way a woman seems, because women know the score, and they know what you want to hear. Women aren't people. They're person-like. They're a collection of masks, costumes, songs, dances, and roles. Is there a real person inside of there, somewhere? Maybe. But is that real person actually who she is when she's around you? Maybe not. She casts off that role so easily as soon as she's around somebody different.
A woman’s age will tell you whether she was able to lock down and keep a man, and whether she’s the type of woman who had the discipline and inclination to do so.
A woman’s looks will tell you whether she has the discipline to eat right, work out, groom, and maintain herself.
A woman’s sexual history tells you all about her impulse control, and how she regards men, love, sex, and relationships.
So you're supposed to be a good boy and ignore all of that. You're suppose to focus entirely on a woman’s personality. Because that’s how she hides who she really is.
Whether you feel chemistry, she majored in chemistry, or she won the Nobel prize in chemistry, the real issue is whether she’s hot and how big of a slut-past she must be hiding by babbling on and on about her accomplishments.
Don’t fall into the personality trap. Trap her instead. You want her to be on her best behavior with you, putting on her best mask and her prettiest costume, singing and dancing exactly the song and dance you want to hear, pretending everything you want her to pretend. All while you dangle the carrot just out of her reach, because you know who she really is. Let her think she’s fooling you. Let her think she’s just about to win. Let her think she’s tricked you into believing she’s not a lying slut…while you use her like the slut she is.
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I am never disappointed by your posts Archwinger. It's been awhile since the "judge by personality, not by looks" caveat has been addressed here and this explains it perfectly.
Women are FULLY aware of what men like and what they are attracted too. Yet they want to delude themselves to believe otherwise and/or protest you shouldn't care about looks when it's convenient for them.
They sure never complained when they were 18, 10/10, and a virgin. But as soon as they turn 30, decreasing in beauty, and been around the neighborhood with other men it becomes a problem.
However I think it's worth mentioning that religion is another little strategy for women to hide in.
Honestly, after some of the stuff I've seen and experienced, being very religious and single past 23~25 is actually a red-flag.
Biggest slut in my high school reined it all back and became a born-again virgin in grade 12. But we knew. We all knew.
That's because it's usually a sign of their "reclaimed" sanctity.
When I lived in Indonesia I noticed something about Muslim girls. When they are young and not married yet they don't like to wear a Hijab, smoke, drink, rarely or never pray, and hook up (but are never up front about it nor brag.) Yet once they get married or are getting older (past 25) they put on the Hijab, pray everyday, and are over the top with their Islamic beliefs.
So if you meet a single not married Indonesian Hijab wearing woman over the age of 30 chances are she used to be a big slut, and is now in the mood to land a man who will accept her for being a good girl. ;)
At my university, there was a Muslim girl who even had a picture taken for a naked calendar. A year later, she's married and wears a hijab.
She sounds like a friend of mine. She used to live in Holland, and she used to have a live in boyfriend (Dutch guy) and they used to have threesomes, she used to pose nude for 'amateur photography', and have swinger parties. After she finished school she moved back to Indonesia, married a businessman, and teaches kids how to read the Quran in Arabic.
Now she preaches against 'free sex' (Indonesians make a huge deal about this) and immoral things like alcohol and drugs.
AWALT.
Interesting...I know a hot girl like this. Do tell...
I have so many examples of this shit is not even funny.
I'll just say one: The ex-girlfriend of a friend of mine. VERY religious girl since I've known her (since she was 16), traditional family and all.
She has already taken (that I know!) 4 guys up her asshole. She tried cheating on my friend with me AND with my brother. Fucked one dude in a chemical bathroom in the middle of the carnival...
The girl is now hitting 24 and is church girl more than ever. Walks with her head down and dresses like a nun.
Friend of mine is a third world development aid worker and told me that prudeness of a country and pervertedness of its inhabitants behave directly proportional to each other.
Google "nvg katie". Watch the whole video without skipping.
so boring what was the point
Didn't get it. Did you ask us to see a porn video?
It's not porn. Video will explain how so called religious girl happily bounces on the dick. You're supposed to watch the whole video and not fast forward to sex part.
Let me tell you about this girl. She was a wife of a friend. Very religious. Takes her to church to help her deal with depression. He lets her pray by herself, because he isn't religious. She cheats on him with one of the monks there ...
Are you talking about born again whores?
If I primarily wanted someone with a great personality, I'd get a dog.
If I want great personality, I hang out with my best friend.
Not only do they tell you to overlook their past sexual ''accomplishments'', these days, they actually shame you into conformity.
How dare you have standards! This is 2016. And they have a lot of shaming tactics:
Are you insecure?
Maybe you have a tiny dick!
And many others...
And what makes their shaming tactics so effective is that they have White Knights on their side. Guys who think that helping a girl shaming another guy for having standard will give them a chance with the girl.
My 10 year old cousin (girl) told me to "man up" when I wouldn't do one of her chores for her. Lol
They learn how to shame men young.
"Sure thing. Ill 'man up'. Go 'woman up' and fetch me a beer".
Cucks are the main problem. Women wouldn't have the confidence to do anything without some "male" support.
The girl I lost my virginity to had a boyfriend in her hometown. She said she was dating the guy for 2 years and she told me she was still a virgin and that she lost it with me lol.
At the time I actually believe it.
She would sometimes stop sucking my dick to talk to him on the phone. In 2 seconds she changed from horny slut to little perfect princess. Just so she would resume right after speaking to him.
I was SO naive back than that I actually treated her like an innocent little girl... She played her part really well and I was very naive.
When you gather enough experience with women you start realizing how fucked-up they are. Even more than most guys.
Outside of the internet and the manosphere. If you want to hear the most raw, bleak truths about women, talk to the Chads, they know it better than any guy that got cheated or dumped.
Like Tucker Max said: "No matter how good you are some girl has played you, and you probably didn't even realize it."
OMG TUCKER MAX. I forgot about the king...
He is entertaining and I like him, but I feel that a lot of stuff he writes about is fabrication.
Fuck, I thought he was a fictional character. Off to do some research now.
Exactly as you describe. It always blows my mind how nonchalant a woman would go from saying I love you to her boyfriend, over the phone, while undressing in your bed-room.
Makes you think how many times in the past you were on the receiving end.
I'll never forget the time I had sex with a chick while she had "phone sex" with her boyfriend. It still turns me on to think of him jerking off to the sounds of us fucking in the bed he bought her.
I feel like knowing some professional or athletes is a good place to get some stories.
Even though many still make horrible decisions with women, they sure do get to see their true colors
Rooming a starting basketball senior in a 3 year long relationship with a cute senior girl, who in her freshman year was kept in a large rotation by a baseball player at a different school who went pro, was particularly eye opening for me. I later heard some eye-opening stories about what she did as a freshman to keep him calling back.
Thats exactly right, and there are "levels" of the totem pole like this which normal men don't even experience.
What do you mean totem pole? I'm learning something here help me!
It's okay, bro. We never had men in our lives explain to us the true nature of women.
Excellent post, especially this part:
OP, can you elaborate? Are you saying that a 30+ year old attractive chick who is SINGLE can't keep a relationship? Just clarifying.
If she is attractive and single over 30... What deep flaw lurks beneath the surface that has kept her single? If she was amazing someone would invest. Yet her stock has no buyers.
Someone likely did invest. But she's a serial dater and no one is ever good enough.
All that to say, her being single is her fault, not his.
same argument just semantics whether she " chooses" to be alone out of not settling or she can't keep a man to save her life the point being someone older who is alone is alone for a reason.
I think it's more along the lines of she wasn't good enough for the chads, that's why none of them stuck around.
One of my favorite plates, who I'm considering for a LTR, is 30 and quite attractive. She's was in a LTR for 6 years during most of her 20s (keeping her n-count low), and decided to break it off herself for reasoning that seems to be the guy became a neckbeard slob. No real major red flags except her age (I'm 31).
I'm wondering if this is maybe a rare case where age can be overlooked or I'm just being foolish.
being played...reread what you wrote...it just sounds unrealistic...99% of attractive single women (at least in the US) at 30 y.o. have probably fucked at least 20 guys. They present a character to you that is mostly what you want and then try to shame you into being what they want, all the while secretly being who they really are. AWALT.
This is not just the reason for the Red Pill- it IS the Red Pill.
It's kind of fun having inside knowledge about whats really going on. I feel like I got handed cheat codes I didn't even know existed most of my life. Life is so much more amusing now.
Yes. So so much amusing.
Except that there's a little beta who stills yearns for the blue pill fantasy.
And complains to you every day about how he's not attaining it, despite your numerous attempts to enlighten him.
The response I received after linking him to a TRP post:
"Wow, I think She would explode if She read this." Nothing to indicate his own viewpoint at all.
Are there some that are beyond saving? Resignation says yes.
I should start a blog and call it "Unicorn Watch" - I'll let you all know when the stars aline and I find my soulmate.
Because of how I dress and carry myself about, most of the girls in my social circle see me as the perfect Alpha Bucks. Some of them compete openly for my attention.
Their behaviour around me is completely different from what they show to most of the other guys.
With me they put on their best display, they appear as sweet, innocent and submissive little girls. They carry other women's babies just to give the impression that they'll be good wives and mothers.
They are very selective about the ''topics'' they discuss with me, so that I won't see them as ''bad girls''. They fake interest in some of the things I take delight in, etc.
Thanks to TRP, I can see through all their games, I just play along. I observe many of them from afar and how they relate with other guys, and I laugh in my head when they do a complete 180 when they are with me.
Because I avoid most of the girls(don't shit where you eat), they think I am very naive with women, and that they can deceive me with their little trick and displays. They have no idea what I think about them in my mind.
They think they are fooling me, little do they know that I am only playing the fool to fool those who think they are fooling me.
isn't it amazing? sometimes the reality actually gets to me and I get into a down mood if i think about this shit too much while observing the women in my life and how they put on the act,especially when I know what they think I don't know. oh well, such is life and then I go work out.
play a sucker to catch a sucker
Red pill is... everyone is that way.
Red Pill is realizing that everyone- including the special snowflake- is that way.
That's what I said. Different words/less clear tho
This hits home. My mother is the epitome of AWALT and it was ASTOUNDING to see the difference she would put on whenever she was looking for a man. All the stuff she would never, ever fucking do: like clean, cook, act nice, dress to impress, be generous, friendly, go to church, workout, taking her mental medication.... she would just magically start doing the moment she got a man or was looking for one.
You have no idea how fucking mad that use to make me as a young child to see that and how quickly I would call her out and tell on her ass in front of the man she was trying to impress. Straight ratted her ass out for it because she was being an astounding human being to this strange dick face sitting on the couch but couldn't be an astounding human to her own children?! Fuck that.
Every chick I've ever met has the same capability of doing it and I see it happen all the fucking time. Don't ever allow yourself to be tricked by that shit.
shitty selfish moms really make you see the light, i know mine did.
Hey man you should try to let go of some of that anger. Not good for you
I've let go of that anger a long time ago but when I see it with other women, it constantly reminds me of how women are and what they can be truly capable of.
Unbelievable post. Summarized a complicated issue in a simple way.
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I live in a small town (8000 people) and I know a girl who used to be like that. She was in the class with my older bro, and I liked her since she was hot. After graduating from high school, she moved to city of 2+ million. I can imagine what she did there, far away from home and far away from everyone who knows her.
Now, 9 years later, she returned to town. Saw her going to church, even though she never went there before leaving the town. Typical born again virgin. I had trouble recognizing her as she looked like she's over 30. She really looked worn out. Asked my mom if she knows why did she return, as my mom is hanging out with her mom. Told me she said how she hated the big city, everyone there is living life way too fast, people are too cold and shallow, traffic noise is unbearable, air and water are polluted, and she can never imagine having a family in that kind of environment, blah blah blah, and how she's feeling much happier here in her hometown.
So, in other words - slut hit the wall, CC ride is over and it's time to change strategy and search for a beta provider. And there's no better place for that than her hometown where everyone remembers her as a "shy little girl". And what she did in the meantime, well, it doesn't matter. If you don't know what happened, it's like it never happened, right?
And this girl will find a beta provider, no problem. If she graduated and went to The Big City at 18, she's now in her late 20s, and is the Prodigal Daughter returning home. She couldn't lock down one of the alpha badasses she had been banging in Big City. She also probably couldn 't hack it at her job, or earn enough money to live the way she wanted in Big City or in Suburbs.
Lemme guess. She found a decent job at home or in the nearby small city. She's living with parents or has a small apartment while she gets back on her feet. She's attending church regularly, speaking a bit of Christianese. You've heard it:
Yeah yeah yeah.
Translation:
You forgot where she stays in touch with all the badass city boys and cheats on her beta consolation prize every chance she gets
never seen "tout suite" spelled that way. Intentional?
tl;dr all women are psychopaths, watch your back.
Literally the tldr of every single red pill post. But it's definitely needed because it's hard to forget that they are not people sometimes.
Psychopaths or just logical? They don't want a loser to fuck them which would lower their SMV and ruin their future.
Women biologically have more to lose by getting fucked than men. They get pregnant and have a shelf life. Men's shelf lives are much longer, we stay fertile much longer.
What this does is encourage women to be bitchy and picky about who they let fuck them. Nothing wrong with that.
Women logical? On an individual basis sure, but seriously?
They pick the meth head working at wendies to fuck them instead of the employed, decently fun guy and you call that logical?
The risks of pregnancy are non factors in this age
If she doesnt want to get preggers shes not getting preggers
If they were logical they wouldnt bother with the cock carousel with guys who wouldn't commit. If they were logical they wouldn't bother with guys who were in bands or are ex-cons and drug dealers. They'lre not logical. The only logical ones are the gold diggers and there are actually few of them around.
I really meant logical in a reptilian biological evolutionary manner that often seems illogical to any normal person, thinking in terms of what is logical and not.
Basically the woman will look for abundance in a man. Resources that can support her. Now its not as straightforward as having money. Being mentally strong and "alpha" portrays abundance in a psychological manner I believe to women, hence why many go for the bad guy. I think the common saying is that women go for men who know what they want in life, and bad guys SEEM to know that (even if we all know they dont). That spells SECURITY to a woman, when insecurity/being indecisive is very unattractive to a woman.
Still I believe most women will try to get involved with men of a higher social status than them, rather than have kids with lower level guys.
I dont think most women who aren't the bottom of the barrel, proletarian trash, will stoop down and fuck low level junkie guys. They might very well have fantaisies with them, but they aren't going to indulge in them.
Also it depends on the age. If we are talking 25 and younger, then these girls are more influenceable and fuckeable, depending on their maturity level.
But again...I truly believe a woman lets the guy fuck her, who on an evolutionary basis makes "logical" sense to her brain, the primary driver being "abundance"/"Resourceful".
The man on the other hand, is much more driven by looks, which signify genetic health.
I agree with your first half, but:
Because time is an abundant resource at this point so they can do what they please.
As someone who has grown up knowing some fairly well-off girls, I think you'd be surprised at the kinds of guys that they chose to fuck. You're giving women too much credit in the fact that you think they are "letting" guys fuck them. That severely overestimates their libido, and their self-control.
Maybe you're right with women over 25, but in my honest opinion it is more because they have to start upping their standards at that point. Or maybe they're just tired of losing at that point, I don't know. I'm not even going to pretend that I have any experience with that. With that said though, almost everything I have seen when it comes to (young) women and sex goes against any notion of any kind of logical decision making, and points almost completely to "women just wanna have fun."
I agree with the point of the post, that women know what attracts men and that they behave a completely different way with you than everyone else. What I want to point out here is that however you stray it and portray it - personality is fucking important. It's just the majority of people don't know where to fucking look.
I write this advice first above everything but that's not what I do. That would be BORING AS FUCK and it would take too long.
The questions are:
Is she hot ? --> If yes - maybe sex
Can she handle a joke or is she a precious little princess? --> If yes SEX
Can I talk with her - is she in par in educational / IQ level --> If yes SEX and let's see how she handles herself when she stays over.
Did I get on with her when she did? If Yes - plate her.
Meantime you do the assessment of everything else I talked about above. You can keep her as the main plate or LTR her if you want if she is acceptable.
But personality is important. You need to know if she is likely to fuck your life up over a whim or whether she is likely to employ some common sense.
I also keep an ear out for any woman's mention of her credit and related issues. If she has shitty credit and can't get a loan for a new car, its a very telling sign that she has a Hx of making poor choices.
New to this forum, discovered some mind-blowing shit about my recent ex that validates these exact sentiments, am sure you guys will love it: met a high school friend of my ex's on Tinder. Dated ex for about 2 years, spoiled kid who went to fancy private school and then fancy college (same as me), cheated on me with the ex she dated for 6 years, and I forgave her (I know, I know). First questions from Tinder girl were -- have you been tested, and are you an intravenous drug user? My ex's brother as a teen had been strung out on heroin, so my ex had always expressed her disgust at any and all hardcore drug use, her aversion to needles, the whole bit. Guess what it turns out? This bitch got escorted by police off her high school campus after a weekend-long meth, heroin, and crack binge where she fucked all the nasty dudes who are involved in those kinds of things. This was not a one-time thing, it was frequent, and everybody in LA knew about it (besides her mom, who lived overseas and thought she had never touched a drug in her life). So that explains the spoon in her car huh? She was a total phony, a lying, manipulative actress who didn't even do a good job of being anything but selfish. She lied as frequently as she breathed. And she looked like an innocent 16 year old. Women are not people, they're more akin to sociopaths. Also, remind me to tell you about how the head editor of Jezebel fucks dudes behind her husband and child to her father's back. My ex's bff's sister, of course.
Please tell. Are you talking about Emma Carmichael?
Jezebel
I'm not even surprised.
Nerdy girl, sk8r girl, hipster, cheerleader...all the same girl. Her chosen persona is just an exercise to maximize hypergamy returns.
Understand that, and have fun with it...
There's an old Japanese saying which is related to this. They say that everyone has three faces, the first face is what people show to the general public. The second face is only shown to close friends and family. The third face is never shown to anyone. It's the most accurate reflection of who you are.
I think this is especially true of women because they don't have the physical strength of men, so for example, if a guy is hanging out with a girl and he does something she considered weird then she probably wouldn't tell him bc it's not in her interest. He might get pissed and hurt her or whatnot, so it's easier to just wear the friendly/public mask and pretend like it wasn't weird. Then when she's around close friends and family members she'll say something like, "man, that guy's weird."
Also known as cowardice. Those who aren't ubearably weak tend to be the same person to all parties.
Acting 24/7 is for professionals or spineless faggots. That's what got us into this mess to begin with. If more men starting speaking their minds to each other, we would not have the issues we have today.
TRP is a first step as it allows an anonymous airing of woes, but it won't mean fuck all unless that attitude is carried into the offline world.
P.S. This being said, there is a time an a place for acting. Don't shit where you eat. But don't give up completely.
Agree. Been agreeing with a lot of your post lately.
Currency of Honour. Fuck even RP fakeness.
I'm the same. Everyone who isn't stupid does this and should do it.
Yup act fake and then wonder why you have so many fake people in your life.
You've missed the part with 3 faces, also law 38.
Eh, I'd say the same is true for most people. This whole sub is about developing a persona that wasn't you to begin with, so that you can sleep with chicks. Same thing.
Well I hated my life back when I was playing video games and masturbating so often my dick hurt. I am a much happier person now that I have hobbies, and people personally invite me to things (instead of finding out about it and debating whether I should ask to go). This feels more natural, as if I have finally taken off my mask instead putting one on.
Indeed; I was referring to the more middle ground of people who already did that but weren't good with women.
The beginning is indeed about becoming yourself more so that "be yourself" becomes useful advice/finding out it was pretty good advice to begin with, just that the person made "yourself" into a bad thing.
Then reclaiming what should have felt natural from the start, doing something that feels awkward until it becomes natural.
But I still stand by the idea that a self is more like qualities one likes that becomes an amalgam of something, and there are different "masks"/roles [king, warrior, magician, lover, a book name and roles we play] that we play and the true self is either "nothing" or an observer with few or no traits.
I agree wholeheartedly
Also username checks out haha
My older sister is a good girl , She's fun , funny , can bake her ass off , and she's absolutely not a slut . It is these factors that when I look at the fact that she's 30 , has never been married or been in a long term relationship make me feel a little upset. For a large part of my life I've wondered She's a good girl why doesn't she catch any mans interest?
Then I took the Red pill , honestly my sister is a little daft, sweet as pie but not at all ambitious and perfectly ok with being complacent in love , work , or even personal accomplishment . She's obese , she has unrealistic standards of attaining a handsome , financially stable man without any children .... the standards aren't unrealistic ...they just are for a 30 year old woman who works at a convenience store , lives with her mother , and is frequently broke .
Taking a look at her personality she is a good girl but if you look deeper as to what makes her physically , her status , her relationship past ( or lack of it ) .... she is definitely undesirable not to mention she is stubborn .. how women become more stubborn when it comes to their standards the older they get I don't understand .
Add into that she expresses men give her interests but not the type of men she wants and ... yes The redpill made me deconstruct why my beloved sister is a bad potential partner and why any man of even decent quality would pass her up for someone less kind , far more attractive, a little brighter but not as funny , or who shows a basic ability to take care of herself despite the fact she'll make you a cupcake that can make you moan . Good personalty ( from the perspective of her brother) but a bad catch .
I believe they raise their standards as they get older as a bluff. To act as if they have more to offer now.
No, they cultivate hobbies and interests to prove they are more 'interesting' and raise their standards since they "now know what they want."
After getting fucked and chucked for the better part of their 40's and ignored in their early 50's, they are either resolute spinsters or finally willing to settle.
Like anything there's a number of reasons and factors and I'd wager we're both right on some level.
Pretty harsh thing to say about a family member; just saying.
Definitely harsh but that's just me analyzing my sister like i would any other woman. I love her and would hope a decent guy would have already married her but that hasn't happened and i can't help but take the brother goggles off and wonder why as a man who values this woman other men don't also value this woman.
I think your comments were fair and objective. You came across as someone who loves his sister. I think the criticism was unnecessary.
What does being a family member have to do with an honest assessment of her qualities and flaws? Just because you love someone, it doesn't make them a special snowflake. Recognizing that doesn't mean you love them any less.
Her being family makes her no less of a woman.
What a great post. Articulated so well.
You're expected as a male to ignore the pertinent useful information, while being judged on it all yourself. And only focus on..well you read the post.
Great stuff. More female hypocrisy brought to you by the feminine imperative.
Great post but, things like this have made me too suspicious of women/people to the point I simply don't engage with many people anymore. I feel all their reactions to anything I do are complete fabrications designed to achieve whatever they are (subconsciously) after. That may be true, but I just feel like I can't trust anyone enough to interact with them beyond the purposes of business anymore.
Suspicion is good, keeps you on your toes. Just keep in mind that most other men are probably just like you: trying to make it, and enjoying life once they do. Women, on the other hand, will leech their way to the top.
Now you can relate to at least 40% of the world's population. The other 60% is a bit more iffy.
Trust BUT, verify.
You can have a relationship with a women BUT!!!! The moment you relax, the moment you let your guard down, the moment you get comfortable..... That's the moment you will surely be destroyed (rape accusation, divorce rape, etc.)
Have frame and hold it.
This was so well written .....
I knew that nerdy girl..... She definitely didn't fuck me but, she did fuck everyone else!!!
I don't think I've read anything as concise and accurate as this. Being a year into TRP it's amazing to see these maxims in real life and infront of you so blatantly. Even w/ my own mother and sister, it's crazy. Age, looks and sex history really do make or break a female. Nothin else.
I dated a seemingly good girl. Not a magical personality, but we were okey together. We know each other for a long time (decade), but i never made a move. A year before i eventually asked her out, we met at a festival, and we talked a bit. She was there with her BF! When the BF went away to get some drink for us, she openly asked the following question:
"What would you do to me if we went back to your car?"
Before i could even understand the question, the BF was back with the drinks.
...
We were dating and she is asked why did i made a move on her... i told her the story...
She was mortified!
Aaaand that was the moment when i know, back then, she showed her true face for a second. Understand this, the BF left for 5min, and she was WAITING for this opportunity. That was the point for me to know, i'm not gonna be with her for long. She was drunk, and didn't remembered the whole "accident". I just know that, i wasn't the first guy she told this, when she was drunk and wanted to fuck.
Hey, keep saying misogynistic shit like "Women arent people" and this sub will get a bad reputation!
Yes, its subscribers will be wildly successful pursuing their goals and smashing pussy but what will the outsiders think? You know, we have to think about whats fair for everyone else
Hey, I said women were smart non-people! I giveth and I taketh away.
They're not gonna like us for revealing women's nature no matter what, and the cucks gonn' cuck.
No we fucking don't everyone that doesn't like the way we think can literally go suck a dick. Fuck being fair life isn't fair
No one really asserts this unless comparing them to men. In which case yes they are.
Pretty much agree. Currently reading The Manipulated Man, in which the author Esther Vilar willingly concedes that woman are indeed stupid.
If you ever had a church girl ( very active in church, not just someone that goes every Sunday), it should be very easy to accept what Archwinger is saying. Pretty good cover to be honest, but to the trained eye it's cliche.
Depends on the girl's age and type of church. The young and authentic girls absolutely do exist.
Quality post, your breakdown of the 3 factors was possibly the best way I've seen it explained, and you address a lot of things that many of us (myself included) were never able to articulate.
I understand that referring to women as 'not people' casts us in a bad light, so while I see why people would point that out, I'd respond with:
people who hate us do not need further evidence to continue doing so. Those who would give us a chance, will eventually find the pill
anger exists. Anger is important. People express their anger. We can't police terms without policing tone. Policing tone would be surpressing anger.
demonizing snippet quotes of TRP exist en mass as is.
Personally I find the idea amusing of horrible women and terrible men reading that line and losing their collective shits . Eyes wide , snarling , and raging .
Right on archwinger. The girl putting on the show and maintaining the appearance of a decent partner is the charm component of the hierarchy neoreaction describes. When your woman stops putting on the masks for you things are going downhill fast. The change can be so fast it will give you whiplash but if youve seen the show before there wont be toi many surprises.
I did worse than know the cute, nerdy girl-next-door, I actually dated her. This was back in my BP days, and I was very bad with women. Anyways, after we broke up, she fucked 5 guys in a month. Dodged a bullet there. The crazy thing was how everyone thought she was so sweet, when she was a fucking nutcase.
The exact same thing happened to me... It is what brought me here.
Yeah, me too. I was "friends" with her for about a year and a half before we dated. (Although, in hindsight, I was more of an orbiter than a friend.) And then she wanted to stay friends after we broke up, and like an idiot I accepted. I can't believe it took me until she fucked five guys to realise that was a bad idea. Anyways, it brought me to RP, so it's not all bad. And TRP has helped me a lot.
"Don’t fall into the personality trap. Trap her instead. You want her to be on her best behavior with you, putting on her best mask and her prettiest costume, singing and dancing exactly the song and dance you want to hear, pretending everything you want her to pretend. All while you dangle the carrot just out of her reach, because you know who she really is. Let her think she’s fooling you. Let her think she’s just about to win. Let her think she’s tricked you into believing she’s not a lying slut…while you use her like the slut she is."
Can you explain this to me with an example? It would help me understand it better. Anyways superb post. Eyeopening and life saving. Thank you!
man this is one of the best posts that I've read here. I agree 100% with it.
He is the arch wingman, I imagine this monologue being given to me over craft beer. I look over at brother Archwinger as he finishes, and say:
"Well yes of course. She's going to use the decisions of the B-side of the conditioned personality to please others and act differently based on her observations of her target. Life knew what it was doing when it designed lust. Most if not all of us have unexamined personalities, and without any examples of conscious intelligence running about and POINTING THIS OUT FOR THE UNAWARE, how would she know?"
I have observed my "AWALT snowflake" melt under the RP lens...
When we first got together, I showed her the esoteric material I'm into and she said "I love this!" never to ask about it again. Pleasing me was the aim, not genuine interest in the material, and she was oblivious to this. I pointed a similar thing out to her at a party last year: She'd been asked to sing in a choir thing at her mom's church, and she immediately said "Sure! I'd love to!" only to then say to me, "I didn't really want to do that. I don't know why I told them I would!"
I play guitar, and she does too...she brought over her acoustic during the early courting phase and seductively sang "Daddy" by Jewel. Never saw her play guitar again.
During the attraction phase I observed her turn on this bliss-like charm during our interactions, just before I finally hit on her. I was looking for IOIs. It wasn't just me, it was her looking for a guy because she'd been dumped.
As soon as she realized I was hooked, if I fucked up my game a hair, here came the shit. The hidden, devilish A-side of the personality would come out.
Like Corey Wayne says, people can hide who they really are for about 90 days. Almost to the day, the pleasant/nice act was dropped whenever she didn't get her exact way. Tantrums, remarks designed to create insecurity, mountains out of molehills, verbal and even physical abuse.
At the end of the day, the Id (A), Ego (C) and Superego (B) are not understood by most, and it's one's job to discover them, and make damn sure your woman is aware of them so the children can be reared with intelligence.
If anything RP gives you the tools to understand the female to the degree necessary to maintain her attraction, for without that, she'll not let you penetrate her with your intellect.
God damn I can relate to this. "As soon as she realised I was hooked". I used to constantly ruminate about the moment I gave my oneitis the power. That shit will never happen to me again.
Women are playing a funny game nowadays. See their mostly dating/fucking two groups of men and those don't necessarily are separated by beta/alpha. You will see girls with boyfriends pretty much close to their own SMV. This is the guy she managed to pull and get to commit. However you will see the same girl fucking guys who are pretty much way off their own SMV. These guys are the guys she could never get. They fuck her because guys love easy fucks.
What's the problem?
The problem for men is that this situation is inescapable for men. If you increase your SMV and up your league. You will discover that the next league over- is doing the same thing. What this implies is that most women are having stronger emotions and sexual experiences with the next guy over. This results in their inability to pair bond- how could they? They get a taste of the forbidden fruit, can't go back to normal apples now can you.
They will try and in the beginning of the honeymoon phase it's not that noticeable. But when the magic wears off they will remember these guys. Women have automatic abundance mentality and are less likely to walk away impressed after dating a guy. Imagine if you'd be fucking hookers (9's and 10's) all your life. How would that change your view of your actual girlfriends? Fucking hookers or fucking chad, it's basically the same thing.
What's the catch?
Here's the catch for men. This is happening to every guy, to chad, to you. There's always a better man and that's the man your girlfriend will be fucking while you're committing. Back in the day this was mostly circumvented by marriage, pairing and society.
But everything comes at a price
The price women pay for this behavior of greed and emotional selfishness is the emotional well being of men. We hurt, bleed and work for their sins. And it's changing men. TRP is an example off that change. Men are finding venues like this sub-redit to alter their approach. Relationships, Marriage- suddenly these things don't sound that appealing. More and more men will opt to spin plates/pump and dump.
This is the price women pay. The Law of Causality, everything has a cause and and effect. Men will toughen up, be less forthcoming emotionally and less generous with their wealth because western society has told women to fuck anyone because their special and worth it
Women need men, they need relationships. Allot of us grew up with the idea to aim for the TRL. How many of us have changed our minds and opted to spin plates? The pendulum is swinging.
This really is an excellent post, but due to being relatively new to this sub, I am left with one burning question. And that question is: why does a woman's sexual history make such a profound difference in her value as a whole? Is it because, like you said in this post they essentially raise their expectations so high that most guys can't measure up or something else? Maybe I missed something, but an answer would be fantastic.
Well imagine you'd be fucking hookers on a weekly basis. These hookers would look like the girls in your favorite porn clips. Just imagine you'd actually be fucking these girls, not jerking off to them. And whenever you're single (or really felt like it!) you'd pay them a visit. Until you meet an actual girl and you two hit it off. You're starting to get strong feelings for this girl and you really like her.
Now in the beginning I'd imagine you'd be entranced by those emotions. But after a while these will fade, they always do. Now you're fucking a girl that doesn't even come close to your go-to Hooker Taira. She just doesn't get you off like those 9's and 10's. And how could she, she's a normal girl within your range. Before you know it you'd be sneaking to that Hooker or breaking up with your girl.
That's what women are doing. Their basically going to the male hooker variant be it for free. Because normal women don't pay for sex. And some are stupid enough to fall in love with their male hooker. The girls sexual history is important because you can't be her First Captain if she's been fucking Generals. She will devalue you, disrespect you and eventually leave you. She will be underwhelmed by you.
Society is real clear about men fucking hookers. While for women it's considered their 'journey' and their 'sexual right'- finding themselves yada yada. Women aren't stupid, they are against men fucking hookers. Not because of fear of sexual disease or the implication of having a lower value man. But because it implies that they won't compare. And this will get them treated worse. Bitches know this, they've been RP from birth.
You will slowly notice this in the coming months. How society is limiting men while freeing women. None of it is in our best interest.
Excellent response. Exactly what I was looking for.
First-time visitor here, I can already see why this sub is so infamous.
To be honest, even I think this is a bit of an exaggeration.
I've done some more browsing, and pretty much lost hope.
The major problem of this sub is that they project all of the bad stuff onto one gender, in tunnel-vision fashion. Most of the fem-hate I see could apply to humanity in general, and the community's population of budding faux-philosophers don't know the meaning of objectivity.
This is what would happen if you mixed /r9k/'s cancerous culture with TheDonald's poe ambiguity, with even more tired memes and sexual frustration.
If you think TRP is like R9K then you're hopeless and should just leave. Seriously. r9k = Elliot Rodger. TRP = Tyler Durden. Completely fucking different. One is based on entitlement, the other is based on grabbing your dick and manning the fuck up.
Yeah and it also seems to have somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy effect... This manner of thinking/treating women will drive away anyone who has an ounce of self respect and love. You can not have healthy relationships like this, but I guess thats not really what they are looking for.
Once you take the pill, there is no going back.
Yes, this kind of exaggerations are part of the forced de-indoctrination and depestalizing
Every great speaker knows that exaggerations are key in getting a point across
If TRP teaches you to think for yourself, do the same with the core beliefs of this very sub as well- otherwise you're not ready for the journey
None of those statements justify or deny the claim being made, they try to circumvent doing so. Your points are unfounded assumptions that favor whatever is most agreeable, not substantial observation.
I don't know why you suddenly switched to pompous neckbeard mode but whatever you say, provided anyone can understand wtf you just wrote lole
"Then, focus entirely on her intellect, her personality, and her accomplishments." - no problem with that. but if you analyse this carefully it would be a sad world. let pretty be at least pretty.
I don't think I've read anything as concise and accurate as this. Being a year into TRP it's amazing to see these maxims in real life and infront of you so blatantly. Especially w/ my own mother and sister, it's crazy
i mean i'd like it if she had a nice personality and was all sweet and friendly. you're right though, and tbh, having personal experience with exactly what you're saying is the best way to verify it. rip my soul.
I knew a girl like this, my oneitis at highschool. Now, she's a repulsing feminist liberal hyperslut. She's close to her 25 but she already looks like she's hit the wall. Serves her right.
Well, a cheeky smile when she states how a good girl she is, does the job for me. I know they aren't.
like the slut she is.
And she is.
I used to be disappointed in TRP for only covering men's sexual strategy. This post changed my mind.
great post man.
she the problem here is, women just show up. They don't have ANY tangible personality, nor intellect and their accomplishments are more followers on Instagram and more sexual partners.
when i'm in the club, I joke around and say " if she doesn't know how to cook or have espn ( it's a pay tv channel here) then, I ain't down to marry her ( i'd never marry lol)
but it's true. they bring nothing to the table and i'm pretty bored of talking to them.
Great post! My ex was a not a good girl when i met her, she openly talked to people in our social circle about how sexual she was and yeah you know the whole humble brag thing some girls do to see who catches on and is a potential fuck.
Well i caught on, we had sex a couple of times and what do you know? She turns into the perfect good girl, you know, a woman in the streets and a freak in the sheets.
So I thought "just for me? I must just be a special kind of guy". Yeah right, we dated for 2 years and in that time she had turned me into a complete beta loser who did everything for her while she fucked guys behind my back, I found out about two of them afterhand but know from some poeple that there were way more.
My problem is I get bored I don't want to spend time to hang out with them to get sex. That's why I prefer the bar sluts or they online dating apps.
I literally had plans with an HP8 today and I just chose to work on my car and play disc golf with my friends. I hit her up later and she said something about the gym and to hit her up afterwards...
Then she said (out of nowhere) she was getting her kids back which I know is bullshit but I didn't even care
My problem is caring too little because I get plenty, but if cost hot tail
Females of all vertebrates are evolved to sense differences in males.
I forget the source, but it was discussed in a documentary...
For example, there are birds that do dances or deer that grow antlers, and to us it all seems the same but the females of their species can distinguish among them.
In human males, the biggest differentiator is the brain. The theory they proposed was that human females developed a "well-rounded" brain because the only way to tell if someone is creative or smart is to have somewhat of an understanding. That's why men are very good in one thing or another, and women are multi-purpose but not spectacular at any one discipline.
In fact, they said it's possible that due to its unexpectedly small size, the female brain only mimics the male brain. Since it would be an evolutionary waste of energy for them to develop their own brains to match men's, when all they need to do is distinguish among them.
Obviously, this is very hard to find again on Google since any search on the subject yield anecdotal evidence that there is no difference.
But anyway, your observations fall in line perfectly with this hypothesis.
The last paragraph escalated so fast
Don't forget the church-going Christian woman who will suddenly 'fall in love' with another man once she's single. I've seen it happen up close, and I don't think she realized she was being a slut.
That's too bitter for my taste. Women are human, all too human, and hamstering comes as natural to them as conscious manipulation.
It's really a question of what it is to be human.
If you believe that behind all of the masks, costumes, make-up, and pretending, there's a real person inside every woman, good for you. But how do you know that? You can't possibly believe the person she is when she's with you is the real her. Because she sheds that role for a new one in about 2 seconds, without missing a beat, as soon as you're not there and someone else is, as soon as you lose your job or go soft on her. If that were really her, then she couldn't cast it off so easily.
But maybe you believe that humans aren't real anyway. Maybe you think we're all just the sum of the hundreds of masks we wear as we dance for the crowds we encounter, which would make women exceptional humans -- they're better at being that kind of human than men are.
If women aren't human then men aren't either. You can't have a serious, unbiased discussion about toxic femininity without including the male counterparts.
You seem to think that "human" should be a sacred facet that only a few are worthy of - oh no my friend. All the dancing shit of the world, deceit, sadism, suffering, all are intrinsic parts of the human condition.
We are all human. Maybe a bit too human.
Pretending is a key facet of human behavior. Women are more adept at this because with makeup and Cosmo and all of the other media that tells women what do wear and how to act, they simply have a better knowledge of what men want than men do about what women want. Men have been led astray by outdated dating advice from a bygone era.
But nonetheless, pretending is a big factor in the lives of every human. Even the most alpha testosterone filled meathead has to submit to his boss if he wants to make it in the business world. Even the most assertive, opinionated loud mouth has to be an active listener if he wants to work well with people.
"Women aren't people. They're person-like. They're a collection of masks, costumes, songs, dances, and roles. Is there a real person inside of there, somewhere? Maybe. But is that real person actually who she is when she's around you? Maybe not. She casts off that role so easily as soon as she's around somebody different."
Man, this true and so hard to wrap my head around.
"Is there a real person inside of there, somewhere?" I don't even think so. They only possess a partial sentience.
This... This is spot on. I knew a chick who was the nerdy hipster and was saving herself because of how she was raised by her mom. now, at 23 and out of her parent's home she already lost her v-card. SMH...
you're articles never disappoint, excellent work mate.
Solid bullshit right there.
I have huge trouble agreeing with any of this. LOOKS is how a woman traps a man in all regards, not PERSONALITY. Men are biologically hard wired to be attracted by how a female looks, hence why women are able to deceive men so easily.
This is why extremely successful men, doctors, lawyers, CEOs, etc...Can ruin their entire life on a WHORE who knows how to look good to men, and how to talk to them. You see them all the time...These men with lots of money, with a young hot wife, who is stealing all that man's worth without having really worked a single day in her life.
This kind of RedPill ideology is EXACTLY advocating how women basically destroy men.
Let me put it simply for you: Men's dicks get hard for "their type". They then get dumb and get involved in a relationship with that woman they are infatuated with physically. That woman holds all the cards, and once she succeeds in having a kid or getting married, the man is fucked.
You absolutely need to evaluate the personality of a woman when you meet her. LOOKS is how 99% of men disregard an otherwise PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY and make the irrational decision to stick to that girl.
LOOKS by the way are EXTREMELY EASY to manipulate by a woman, thanks to state of the art and relatively inexpensive beauty products nowadays. Any fool knows this. Not only how their skin looks, but also their bodies thanks to the clothing they choose to wear (which is incredibly deceptive aswell).
In today's world, a 5 can look like a 10, with proper makeup and clothing, sometimes even plastic surgery (which has also become relatively inexpensive).
So basing your entire decision to mate with a woman and commit to her, based on her looks, is the most stupid BS Ive ever heard in my entire life.
Yes the woman must be genetically sound, and good looking. But you would be making the mistake of 99% of men (which leads to divorces and pain) if you disregard personality.
Personality is key in a LTR that is actually successful. My dad has told me many, many times that "you need to really know a woman deep down before you marry her".
But the bottom line is that if you're marrying or dating a woman purely on looks, you're doing it wrong. No use being miserable with a chick you dislike personality wise just for pussy when you could be out fucking multiple attractive chicks without any strings attached.