Summary
One of the common criticisms of the Red Pill philosophy is the supposed contradiction that results from our simultaneous disdain for sluts but willingness to still have sex with them. This "contradiction" is false, and the result of failure to understand what's really going on.
What is a slut?
A slut is commonly defined as a woman who has too many sexual partners. However, this is a superficial perspective. What really makes a slut so despised is their disregard for their own inherent value, and the fact that they give it away so freely.
Women are the gatekeepers of sex, something inherently valuable to men. Men have built and destroyed great empires and many lives in pursuit of the sexual pleasures of beautiful women. We assign (often foolishly) great value to sex. We view it as something worthy of conquest, of effort, and acknowledge that women have the right to withhold it for only the men that have proved themselves as deserving of it.
In this sense, we view sex as a marker of merit. A man who has ample sexual access to beautiful women, whether he's amassed great wealth, chiseled his body into a physical masterpiece, or simply honed his linguistic and social skills to their peak, has clearly done something to deserve the bounty of sex he reaps.
A slut, however, disregards all of this. We expect a woman to evaluate men carefully and be discriminating in her choice of sexual company. Instead, a slut gives that value freely to many different men based on fickle "feelz" and fleeting emotions. In doing so, her sex becomes less valuable because it's given so freely. Why would we work hard for something that's given away easily to so many?
What about men?
This is where it get interesting. Women, because they're the gatekeepers of sex, don't value it as highly as we do. Instead, they place the most value on commitment, the one thing men have control of. This makes the the White Knight, the FriendZoned, the Nice Guy, the male equivalent of the slut. Why? Because this guy comes to her aid, offers valiant defense, resources, and his protection based solely on the fact she's a woman and has a vagina.
Deep down, women inherently know that they have to earn a good man's commitment by being feminine and fucking his brains out to the point he can't get enough and wants to commit on his own accord. Just as men want to be the one that bagged that tight ass and perky tits, women want to be the one that bagged the high-quality guy. It's why, in the beginning of the relationship, the sex is plentiful, naughty, and things like breakfast in bed are common, as the woman is putting in effort to earn that commitment. In contrast, the White Knight/Nice Guy offers all of the commitment, without making the woman prove herself first as a quality woman. In doing so, he reveals that his commitment is of little value since, surprise, it's given so freely to any woman that walks by.
Nobody Respects a Slut!
Unsurprisingly, women get very upset by the manner in which men treat sluts while remaining oblivious to the fact they treat White Knights/Nice Guys with the same disregard and disdain. How many times have you heard a woman talk about how a guy was just "too nice" or "too good a friend" to have sex with? If, like Neo, you can see the code, you realize what she's really saying is, "He's too emotionally easy, and I don't respect or value his commitment because of it." It's quite literally the same thought process as a man who says, "She's a great bang, but she's not girlfriend material." As men, we don't hate sluts; we simply recognize their offering as low-quality and low value, and unworthy of commitment. We use them for the easy sex that they are, just as women use the Nice Guys as emotional tampons and ATMs for free drinks.
The irony is women understand this, even if it's on a subconscious, almost biological level. It's why they never date the Nice Guys until their physical currency begins to wane. It's why they get so upset when they're pumped and dumped or called sluts, as they recognize they're being accurately identified as being disposable and of low value to high-quality men. It's also why women are the first to call each other "sluts," as they know it cuts deeply. It's why women hate prostitution; if men can simply pay for sex, the whole girlfriend package is less appealing and women that offer it less valuable. It's competition, but at the price point they can't match.
In contrast, "slut walks" and "feminist empowerment" are the social equivalent of unions, essentially trying to lower the standards bar while raising the asking price simultaneously. If the value of slutty women is artificially raised, girls won't have to try so hard to be feminine, charming, actually got to the gym to maintain an attractive figure.
Lessons Learned
- Both men and women value most what the opposite controls, and all sexual interaction that follows is essentially a power struggle.
- Like in economics, value is determined by scarcity.
- A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make the next man "wait" because she's "not like that anymore."
- By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality.
- Attempting to make the next man then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is charging premium prices for what is now a bargain good.
- Women are physical sluts; men are emotional sluts.
- Women treat emotional sluts with the same disdain that we treat physical sluts. If men are hypocrites for pumping and dumping sluts, then women are the same for using and abusing Nice Guys.
- Don't be a slut, and understand your own value.
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Exactly this. Sluts are fun when they are having sex with you and might be chill to talk to or drink with, but never commit to one.
Made that mistake once. She was a hot, thin 24 year old Italian brunette with huge tits (HB8), very intelligent (IQ 130+), massive daddy issues, and dark triad as fuck. Horrible, horrible combination. Literally the most dangerous kind of woman imaginable. That alone woke me up to a lot of Red Pill truths before I even swallowed the pill.
I always find it amazing how society tries to tell us that what she did in the past doesn't matter. Especially with the whole Slut Walk that the alpha widow, Amber Rose did. It's like they want men to commit to women that sleep around. To that I say, no thanks.
its not like that. It is exactly that.
They want to be able to "explore their youth" until they hit the wall - with none of the consequences of doing so. Lots of women (people in general really) FEEL entitled to the fairy tale ending but don't want to give up the instant gratification lifestyle that prevents that.
The good news is that as men, we have the power to grant/deny that commitment as and when we choose. We have the upper hand.
The bad news is there are plenty of cucked beta bux willing to wife these slatterns and commit to a lifetime of misery. If women are allowed to behave badly and be rewarded for it, they're going to continue doing it. Why wouldn't they?
tl;dr When it comes to marriage or LTR's, men must stop enabling sluts + rewarding their slutty behaviour with a big fat diamond ring.
So many guys on trp don't yet understand this. If you have any self esteem at all, don't commit to a non virgin. What's that you say? There are no virgins? Then don't fucking commit. It's that simple.
The amount of times these self proclaimed red pillers have tried to ridicule and shame me for saying this is hilarious.
I value myself enough to know that my commitment is worthy of nothing less than a virgin. Until I find one, I won't commit. What do I gave to lose from waiting? Nothing.
So if any of you want to pay a premium price for used pussy, be my guest. That's all your worth then.
Do you really not feel any concern that virgin girls are fickle since they don't really know what they want sexually yet?
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Thats pretty reductionist. Women's sexual liberation has resulted in positives: more sluts to go around and greater sexual freedom.
However it has also brought with it enormous disadvantages and social problems. Since the pill was invented in the 50's and the sexual revolution of the 60's, the rates of STDs, teenage pregnancies, single mothers, broken families, divorce, divorce-rape and false rape accusations have skyrocketed. Womens N-counts are higher than ever before, which directly correlates with dissatisfaction and fidelity rates within marriage and LTRs. It's no coincidence that all this has happened within the last 50-60 years. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.
So for people such as myself who do eventually want marriage and kids and to raise them in a healthy, stable environment, of course it's a concern. I want my children to have a good mother and a good start in life. Providing that is now harder than ever before.
Obviously TRP culture is changing men's lives, otherwise there wouldn't be so many subscribers and success stories. It certainly has the potential to become a mainstream movement for men, just as feminism has become a mainstream movement (read: cult) for women. It's never too late to swallow the red pill.
Again, minimizing.
Exactly. I mean I have slept with many different women, but it's not as easy for men and I'm not really looking for a fairy tale ending. Not because a fairy tale ending wouldn't be great, but because they don't exist. Maybe I will get into some LTRs, but I'm definitely not marrying or having kids. Maybe a couple of dogs and a cat.
And this is why woman who had slept with a lot of guys is considered a slut, and man who had slept with a lot of girls is considered, a f... hero. All she has to do is not look like a complete trash, wait for a man and spread her legs at the right time. And that sidebar on the right is the representation of all the things man has to do to get the woman to spread their legs.
Exactly. Heck, that's why you see disgusting women who still get laid. I mean a guy could be considered an 8, yet just to even get a make out session, has to be dressed right, say all the right things and pass every stupid shit test. Yet if a woman is an 8, she just has to show up and say YES.
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And this is why every successful civilization ever has been sexually repressive. The men simply can't be arsed otherwise.
Bullshit, the Greeks were not at all a sexually repressive society. The Romans even less. You are full of bullshit.
This frustrates me because youth is naivety. It's up to the generation before them to help guide them. Many women people pumped and dumped and claiming empowerment are people who may have avoided it if everyone wasn't doing it or if they knew the consequences. This is true of men as well. Those who knew how reality was might have spent tI'm in their youth planning a better future.
It's not accurate to day it's not their fault for not knowing, but it certainly isn't accurate to totally blame them for their ignorance. Since the baby boomers people have had no proper guide me.
My friends new wife, who is now 26 and has found jesus, dated a 27 year old coke dealer when she was 17.
On the surface she puts on an innocent caring girly girl facade, but my gut tells me she's got deep slut issues that she hasn't dealt with.
Why does my gut tell me that? Well, when she drunkenly groped one of our friends, that's what. Decided to not tell our husband friend.
A few years ago I'd say tell him, but now, don't tell him anything. Let him find out the hard way his wife is a slut. Hell even if you told him he probably wouldn't believe you
Smart, sociopathic, and Daddy issues?
TERRIFYING to behold. You can never, ever let your guard down because you never know if what they're showing you is the truth, or just what they want you to think at that given moment.
They seem to enjoy seeing which of your buttons they can push and get away with it, and they are experts at weeding out your weaknesses. And they hold that shit in reserve, only to pull it out when you least expect it.
In other words, they will mindfuck you and probably leave you LIKING it, all while making you FEEL like you're in control.
I won't say run from these types, but DO NOT get close.
I have fun playing with these girls, they think they can get me to do what they wish, I'm a step ahead and pay along until I have gotten as much of what I want. Then I go full beta begging for sex and they leave with a minimum of drama. So far none of them had ever caught on that I was using her rather than her using me.
You just described my ex to a T.
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Its not about fear, its about not letting a literal sociopath into your head. A woman who actively wants to manipulate a man is one thing.
One who is smart and knows how to manipulate them without getting noticed is another. You can have supreme self-confidence and they can and will still ferret out your insecurities, play to your weaknesses, and lie to your face. all the while hiding behind a mask of naive innocence, all just to get what they want. And if you piss them off, what they want is to hurt you as bad as they can.
You can play that game, but always be one step ahead, and you better ACTUALLY be smarter/more experienced than them. Not worth the risk imho.
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1% is common enough that you probably meet several in your daily life, and might have a couple in your social circle.
The whole reason they're dangerous is they blend right in.
And there's a whole lot more people who are not full on sociopaths but have sociopathic tendencies. Women, especially, exhibit such traits, but the ones I am talking about are actively aware of it and smart enough to exploit their lack of empathy.
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If this story checks out.. well.. you know for certain that there is a god
Was she a russian chick called Anna by any chance? Dated a girl once who fit this exact profile.
Never ever commit to a woman who has even the slightest of strained relationship with her father. If there is one truism Ive learned in my life, its daddy issues = disaster.
Exactly. That is also one of my life lessons. Women who have warm, secure relationships with their fathers are much more likely to be securely family oriented.
Was her name, Laura, by chance?
So you're claiming she was in the 97th percentile? Unless she had advanced degrees or something else to validate this, I'm quite skeptical. I'm not sure people realize how rare a 130 IQ is, and yes, we all know people who claim to have been 145 IQ when they were tested as a child. It's bullshit.
The school district we went to administered IQ tests to children
Haha. Ive laughed at this one quite a bit myself over the years. On the Stanford-Binet scale, Mensa begins at 132, or the top 2%.
The fact of the matter is 95+% of the population falls within two standard deviations of the mean, or mean +/- 30 depending upon which scale you use (70-130). I must have met around 20+ people who've claimed to me that they or their children have a 140+ IQ. Despite some of the circles Ive been in, the math simply doesnt support that.
One of the top schools in urban environment can easily filter top 2% which is already 130 IQ. Looking at general population that mostly ignores education till child hits school, 140 child isn't genius, just a healthy kid that has a natural curiosity to learn and has well educated parents that got them a head start at reading, math, reasoning, etc.
Sounds like a lot of fun to be around, but just awful to be with.
When I tried to dump her, she basically said (in powertalk) that she would kill herself if I did
That's pretty much the ultimate chick trump card, amirite?
I honestly don't get this. Why does such a tactic even work? As far as I know, no court will convict you just because some cunt anheroed to spite you. Plus, if you call her bluff immediately, she's far less likely to go through with it.
I suppose many men in a situation like this honestly believe the woman making such threats feels so miserable that she might go ahead and do that, because society keeps telling us that women are oh so sensitive and fragile, and so they don't see that as a calculated emotional blackmail that it most often is.
Bet you had some extremely hawt fun before she went full retard on you.
Yep. It didn't take long either
What happened? What was the problem with her? What made you awaken to the truths?
She was a reformed slut when I met her. The "I don't get drunk and have casual sex with strangers anymore because I found God and want to wait until after marriage to have sex again" kind of reformed slut. Even in my Blue Pill days, I still had an intuitive understanding of a lot of Red Pill concepts. I was thinking 'whatever, you're hot and I want to fuck you, so I'll LTR you because you'll fuck me in no time. You lack the self control to stick to your principles, since you have no self-esteem and you're a woman.' I understood the hamster and AWALT to a degree.
We split all of our expenses and alternated paying for dates; the frame had already been set that I wasn't a financial provider. Subconsciously though I knew I was still getting a shitty deal. A devalued pussy that I had to pay a higher price for (my commitment) compared to the Chads she was fucking in the past. Of course we started having sex after a couple of months, but the fact remained that she knew that I had oneitis for committing to an unworthy slut like herself. She held the power in the relationship, and she knew it.
She was emotionally cheating on me the entire time we were together, with a guy that she had feelings for long before we met. The guy lived halfway across the country and he would alternate between showering her with attention and disappearing for months at a time. They'd spend hours Skyping, sexting, talking on the phone, etc. despite the fact that they'd never fucked. She didn't have the emotional connection with me that I expected out of an LTR...like I was just her personal human dildo: an object that she would fuck just to get off. It got worse because eventually she met up with him in a city halfway between where they live, and fucked him.
I was oblivious to all of this, but I always knew something wasn't right. After she fucked him, she wanted to stop having intercourse and only do oral, using religion as an excuse. Her emotional distance and being a bitch a lot of the time (because I was too beta) made me constantly insecure and paranoid. I never thought that my Italian Princess was capable of doing something like that, so I thought the problem was with me (which it partially was, because I was too beta). So obviously this all lead to us getting into huge arguments pretty much every time we hung out. It didn't help that I had weak frame.
One day out of the blue, almost 8 months after she fucked him, she confessed to cheating, because she said she couldn't take the guilt anymore. When I asked her why she would do that to me, she said it was because she had feelings for him for so long and needed to fuck him to see if she still wanted to marry me instead of pursuing him, and that she ultimately decided she still wanted to marry me. So said she couldn't marry me in good faith knowing that she was keeping that a secret. Despite the fact that, to that day, that she was still sexting him and telling him she loved him. WTF. That backwards logic woke me up hard to the nature of the female hamster.
So, if I understand, former promiscuous girls are more likely to cheat and have trouble forming the emotional connections necessary for an LTR? Is that a pattern that anyone else has confirmed do you know? How do you know she didn't just cheat on you because you were a beta and uninteresting back then?
Chicken and egg. She was a cheating slut because I was beta, and I was beta because she was a cheating slut
Hey you basically dated on of my exes
A slut is a woman who'll fuck anyone
A bitch is a woman who'll fuck anyone but you
Reminds me of a friend of mine with a level 50 Thousand Cock Stare. Wisconsin girl who in the two semesters I knew her, had rode more than 65 + guys. She then switched colleges and it took me a while to realize that she had tapped out resources and was already known as a slut in many circles. Her identity as a slut was compromised. She was a junior who had been to 3 colleges. Naturally the slut did what sluts do, went study abroad. clean slate. She can probably even called herself a virgin.
Yeah I know someone posted how traveling and studying abroad is the cc on steroids for women
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Best blow job I ever had (seriously, when I came I'm pretty sure my tadpoles hit the ceiling, and I thought I was stroking out) was from a gal with severe daddy issues who had already fucked or blown basically all my guy friends. She did some Bobbi Bliss-style shit that was mind-blowing. A gag-spit-twist thing. And she was just 18.
I, being so blue-pilled at the time I must have looked like a character from Avatar, made the mistake of liking her (not just the sex, but her). We had a relationship that lasted for a couple weeks until I broke up with her because I got cucked while at work. When I found out about her cheating (she told me), she - I kid you not - smiled at my horrified reaction.
Sluts can be wonderful creatures, guys, but never, ever commit to one.
Edit: Oh yeah, forgot to mention - since we're in the same circle of old high school friends, she and I are "friends" on Facebook. It appears that she's hit The Wall (she's approaching her late 30s, unmarried, no kids, getting chubby), and I recently noticed that she's in a "serious relationship" with this short bald guy who just so happens to have a really good job. Fucking classic.
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I legitimately lol'd, no exaggeration.
Why the Fuck did you do that? What possessed you to LTR her? You think she wasn't going to be amused?
I was young and blue-pilled. I liked her. I thought if I was a really nice guy, she'd stop being a slut.
What constitutes a slut?
I always hear RPers say if you're not fucking on your first date, you're doing something wrong. How do I tell if a girl is slutty or just under my spell?
Experience mostly. At this point it doesnt really matter as you shouldnt be investing in a relationship anyway if you havent banged enough to know. Spin plates or do the serial monogamy thing if you prefer it (dont go live together and dont fucking marry).
Once you have enough experience to be able to screen girls you can consider investing a bit in a relationship.
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It depends on your goals. I will never LTR a girl I fucked on the first date.
If she sleeps with you on the first night, she's slutty.
Great question. And really you're going to get different answers. Because it's really up to you to decide. And keep in mind no one here can really answer this in words only.
Before I answer, don't pay attention to what some red pillers say. If you're not fuckin on the first date, it doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. You can't take what people say here as a definite rule and run away with it.
Now I'll try and answer your question. You can tell a girl is a slut through her actions, body language and attitude on MOST occasions. For instance, a girl that drinks alot, grinds on a bunch of different guys in a club and you happen to bang her on the first date. Huge slut. But guess what? She could make you wait a week or two before you bang. Still huge slut. It's the way she carries herself.
Now I had a girl from tinder last month who seemed real chill. She was Asian, in medical school, didn't party, had very few friends, loved hiking, wasn't a social media whore, and barely drinked. Sounds like a unicorn right?
Well during the first date I made out with her. I could tell she was ready to give it up. Second date we hung, she sucked me off in a parking lot. She wouldn't let me have sex with her because she told me not on the second date. But she sucked me off.
That's a slut to me. The thing was I was actually starting to like her UNTIL she sucked me off because that just felt so dirty, slutty and sleezy. I mean the blow Job was good, but I lost all respect for her once she did that.
I can keep going. Point is, there is no clear cut definition of a slut. They can have you wait for sex or allow you to have sex on the first date. Doesn't mean anything. The best way to tell a girl is a slut is if she is making it easy for guys to have sexual activities with her. This ranges from blow jobs, intercourse, dry humping, making out, groping, ect....
I just don't count intercourse. I count all types of sexual activities. Even having slutty pics of herself on social media counts. So yea a girl that makes herself sexually available and allows guys to do sexual activities easily with her is a slut. A guy should have to work for those things, not obtain it in an easy way. So yes going by my definition MOST western women are sluts.
I can simplify that for you. From my experience there's one thing that can be found in every slut- but only in a slut.
She wants to be treated badly
Be it sexually, romantically or in any other way. She wants to be dragged through the dirt. High quality women that come from a good background don't like this. A slut craves it.
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What works is taking all the information in. Spot correlations and overlapping truths and take what works and drop what doesn't. But this is simply how people have always learned- through trail and error.
Yea i learned a long time ago to not take what people say on here including the endorsed guys opinions as rules.
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Give her the impression that you two are playing a game of who got the most depraved experiences wins.
You will be shocked.
Threesomes, bondage, cuckolding all those terms the normal guy normally sees on youporn.
Am I a terrible person that I enjoy them more if they have a husband or boyfriend? Some of the best hook ups I've had are with brides to be.
Amen. I have a few slutty female friends and two fwbs who are boyfriend'd. Theyre all fun to hang with and spend time with, however I feel sorry for how their character may sabotage their future sons and daughters outlook on life and overall future life philosophies.
Most of these girls have head issues from being alpha widowed, lack any feminine "wifey" traits like being a good cook or exhibiting gentlesness toward young children and babies, and talk like a sailor. Now most of these girls are in their mid twenties and lying to themselves about how they never wany children or to be married. Truth is, theyre not capable of it because their parents generation broke that socialization process. Cooking for a man is "offensive" and encouraging a woman to be feminine is "sexist".
Likewise, there are these beta males now thinking in a feminine frame about everything. They're scared to take risks, drop out of school cause "degrees are useless unless it's STEM!!1" and believe that building strength and athleticism through disciplined hours in the gym is "for meatheads".
I cant tell if this was a giant mistake made by western society or a well executed inside job to psychologically cuck western men.
It's not a mistake at all in the least bit. It is all part of the globalist agenda by the elites. It's why when you have a true alpha like Donald Fucking Trump running for POTUS and putting America first, the media comes out and attacks him. You might not like Trump, but he is the last hope for the Western World. If he doesn't get elected, the whole SJW and feminist shit is gonna get worst. It plays into the elites hands because of open borders and how it's 'racist' to be against immigration, which allows for the supply of the job market to shoot up and make labor cheaper.
Look at what is happening in Europe with the rape refugee crisis. This was no mistake by the government. It was all plan to weaken and cuck western men. I mean look at what is going on with common core. It was all the plan for a very long time. People are afraid to speak the truth about the fact that marriage isn't good and how you can't even criticize women without being called sexist. You can't speak the truth if it doesn't fit their agenda. They are about silencing opinions and thoughts. That's what happens when PC takes over. They are the real nazis, not Trump.
I wonder if it all has to do with a saudi agenda as well. Since the US got bullied into not blaming them for 911 or oil would be cut.
I just dont see the sense or logic of this plan though. WHY do they want western civ to crumble? WHAT is their better solution?
Western society is practically the only culture on earth that values liberal ideas and principles. How are our women and childre. Going to get that if all their fathers and husbands are weak fat beta males who havent got the slightest itch of ubermensch within them?
Don't you realize that when it comes to logic, it's non existent when it comes to SJWs and feminists? You do actually make a good point regarding Saudi Arabia. I lost any shred of respect I had for Barack Obama when he pretty much reached that agreement with them. He freaking cucked us.
The thing with western civilization crumbling is that it's great for the elites who want cheap labor and all that. More money. The feminists are too busy talking about "rape culture" to realize that it's the refugees who are doing the raping.
They do. They just don't care
Sluts are to celebrated. The market is saturated with product and inventory is being moved at an all time low.
No matter how low the price goes, women will still compete to be a better product. She will still seek validation. To differentiate herself (now that cost has leveled out at 0) she will improve her quality. I'm excited to see the levels of sluttiness the newest generation is bringing to the SMP.
Now free those nipples, show dem titties, and get some validation you third wave feminist.
That's one good thing about liberal feminism - women seem to see sluttiness as empowering nowadays. Men are winning, whereas they're losing value all the time. It's hilarious. Not complaining though. More pussy for everyone.
You won't believe the amount of idiots who actually think the same. "She's just sexually liberated and had her fun, no need to judge her".
RP men are winning, not the BP kind of man who'd feel comfortable being the last pick aka. the leftover.
Third wave feminism has mostly been awesome for alpha men. It has been horrendously destructive for beta men. The rich get richer.
This viewpoint is very short-sighted because these sluts will be bringing in bastard children, who will then commit toe more broken homes and anti-social behavior.
Essentially it's off-loading the misery on to their children. You gain is that child's pain.
Let's not celebrate any races to the bottom. Sluts should be scorned, nobody wants to be born to a single mother...
Birth control exists.
Single mothers are a different type of woman. A single mother is a woman who takes a calculating look at the social and financial incentives for having a child and decides "even though I don't care about raising a stable family, it's in my best interest to give birth to and raise a kid." It's a selfish, coldly logical decision which is completely decoupled from the desire to have lots of casual sex while on birth control.
Just wear a condom or squirt in her ass, gosh
This is TRP. It is what it is. If it happens, so be it. It's not your problem.
I love sluts. I just do not want to be around once I am done loving
I used to not shame sluts until they started bragging about their "conquests", like showing up and spreading your legs is an accomplishment.
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I was out at some clubs recently. A couple cougars hit on me. Obviously I wasn't going to be an antisocial asshole. I chatted with them a little while, made them laugh, then graciously made my exit.
I'm sure they both wrote something just like the above in their blogs about how they still had it, and could have bagged me.
They make the mistake of equating their value with the value of the man that is willing to bust a nut in them.
When a more accurate assessment would be equating their value with the value of a man willing to commit to them.
This is probably a maladapted holdover behavior from when men had to commit to get sexual access.
This perfectly explains the alpha widow. They've 'slept' with the best, they feel entitled to that access now, and they spend the rest of their life dejected and forlorn that they don't have it.
Exactly. I will admit that on the down low, I have slept with some ugly or fat girls, but no way in hell would I even consider committing to them.
I like this a lot. Well put.
That is so true. I remember talking to a girl on I think tinder and we were texting a bit and she was bragging about guys she has slept with, like its some accomplishment. I didn't end up meeting with her because she was busy or whatever, but even then, she would have been pump and dump at best. Come to think of it, she wasn't even that great looking.
"I fucked 10 guys last week... fuck I'm gooood"
"I beat up 10 kindergarden kids this week.. fuck I'm stroooong"
Exactly.
Two scenarios:
A guy shows up at a bar, freshly showered and groomed, wearing stylish clothing. He has white teeth and isn't missing any. His breath is fresh and he has no BO. He is social, friendly, outgoing, confident, gregarious. He is HWP. He chats up some young ladies and pays for a few drinks. After expending all this time, effort, and expense, his odds of getting laid that night - 33%
A woman shows up at a bar. She hasn't showered in two days. Her hair is a rat's nest. She's basically wearing pajamas. Her teeth are yellowed from cigarette smoking. She just sits at the bar not talking or making eye contact with anyone. She is overweight, bordering on obese. Her odds of getting laid that night (if she wants to) - 100%
are you sure about this? I've never seen this ugly type get chatted up by anyone
This is the kind of woman that makes the first move
Around closing time, they get chatted up.
I have a theory that women whom you are not sexually interested in at a bar, are invisible to you.
Not true. They're called "cock blocks".
For fuck's sake do not shame them. It might dawn on them that they are playing right into our hands.
If every woman were a Madonna, many men would be virgins.
Very good post.
Sluts are fine when they are few and far between. These days, they are on their way to becoming the majority - http://imgur.com/vDlF3y2 And that's when it becomes a serious societal problem.
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Good feedback. I adjusted it.
Without sluts, getting laid would be so much harder. Although on the other hand, if there were less sluts, there might be more quality women around.
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That's the dream. Sadly, women can actually do the AF/BB, and get away with it too, as long as they get off the CC before they're to old.
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You're setting your sites too low. Let's just say from personal experience you can do >40 and <22-virgin. Don't settle for less.
The great conundrum of our time
Well, if you put some effort in, you always get something. It just so happens that what's up for grabs right now is sluts. It used to be quality women, or so i'm told.
It all depends on what you are looking for. LTR or casual sex.
omg finally someone said it, i've been thinking about this recently women disregard their sex as not a big deal while we take it as something of enormous value, so we get upset when they give it away to another man, because it's " extremely " valuable to us, to her it's probably like going for a swim or something not a big deal, maybe that's why women fuck so easily sex isn't a big deal for them so they reward you if you let them have fun or " feelz ", honestly bro this thread isn't getting the amount of recognition it deserve this is beautifully written and solid facts.
Exactly. It's why men think physical cheating is the worst thing out there, while women are more devastated by emotional cheating. Both are bad, but there is a definite difference.
In evo psych theory it's compounded further by the fact that a woman, doesn't ever have to care about who she is sleeping with or who her man really sleeps with. She is always secured a genetic offspring no matter what. Whereas a man has everything to worry about that shit constantly. If a man only sleeps with one woman, and she sleeps with everyone, he has no idea if his genes get passed on.
He is done... Which is why we fucking lose our shit when women cheat with sex. It's not the same for women, women lose their shit when guys notice other women, or fall in love with someone else or commit emotionally to another girl.
I've seen this in action so many times. There are two girls who sit with me at a table. Neither have any interest in me at all. I tend to show interest in one of them and then the other one gets INSANELY jealous. She tries everything to get my favor (including sex).
This has always been the formula I've noticed when I get the most insane attention from girls. Hit on the ugly friend, and the hot will bend over backwards to get you. I read later that this was in "the game" and other men apparently found this out too.
Problem is, such women tend to be insane...
Completely contrast to men, she's worried about losing the alpha that she wants to reproduce with to make kids with good genes, life is interesting man when you take a closer look at it, everything you said is true.
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We love sluts. We have the best sluts. Some of my closest friends are sluts. They tell me, what you are doing at TRP is good. Sluts will help us make TRP great again.
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A small loan of a million sluts
I'm fine with people hating sluts; it means more for me. Thank goodness for sluts! It's like having a clearance sale on sex with hot women.
Thank you. I love me some sluts, harlots, tramps, women of loose morals, hoes, and even slam pigs.
No hoes bro. Do not pay any one for the pleasure.
So should you never open up emotionally to a slut (e.g., talk about your dreams and passions or seem vulnerable)? or only after they bang you?
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Or pretend to to gain access.
Never open up emotionally to a woman, unless you don't want to have sex with her. That is a very well-known tactic for false betafication (i.e., a tactic for soft-nexting someone you want to get rid of--or a way to kill attraction, e.g., with a business partner/friend that you need for purposes other than sex).
Never, is the operative word here.
they basically bang you because of the way you made them feel most like, sluts normally bang any guy they had " fun " with or anyone that excites their emotions, what you're suggesting is most likely a bad idea
True, although most sluts aren't hot.
Sluts are like fast food: easy and cheap to get, probably not healthy for you in the long run, and always hit the spot.
Know this...
There is a whole sub-reddit where Women make fun of "nice guy" men.
Often, all these men do is give them a compliment or ask them on a date, and they get berated on the Internet like disgusting pests or low class filth.
Women certainly don't give a fuck about the "feelings" of these guys, so those of us who are on the other side of the coin, the ones who these Women desperately chase, need to remind them that it goes the other way too.
Exactly. They're emotional sluts, and women laugh at them.
If you're truly still questioning whether society is gynocentric and has double-standards, imagine a sub-reddit where men shared pictures and correspondence from sluts and laugh about how rough they are with them. Imagine the response from SJWs, feminists, and the media.
But mocking Nice Guys and White Knights is totally kosher.
That's the matriarchy we live in, for sure.
I saw that thread and honestly I think most women on there are fat, unattractive or just have no life at all because it's nothing but bullying.
If anyone tries to compare that sub to this one, you have to realize red pill has both theories and facts. On that sub they do nothing but make fun of people on there. And I know we get on betas, but not like they do on there. They seem to be stuck in the anger phase on that sub.
This is probably among the best things I've ever read on TRP and I agree with everything.
Fucking yes! White Knight is a man who is "selling" his goods to cheap, and a slut is a woman who is "selling" her goods too cheap. Both of them have low value and get no respect because of that.
I literally don't understand how anybody can not agree with this post. Every single sentence is pure logic, this reads like a math equation.
My perspective on this, as follows,
Women with high n-counts tend to give sex away not for the purely physical pleasure of it, but as a coin: they want commitment, comfort... You name it. Men who carelessly give commitment away are the same: they don't do it due to an stablished relationship of respect and trust, but as a way to achieve something.
Would a woman respect those guys? No. They are weak, volatile men who will give their everything to everyone. They will be 'too friendly' to gain some kindness in return. In the same vein, a slut will give sex away as a mean to get comfort or any kind of positive feedback. Could you trust that woman to be faithful to you? I wouldn't.
Another point is the nature of sex. A sexually active man is one who can dominate women, who can achieve his carnal goals. He is a powerful man. A sexually active woman is one who considers many men to be superior to her, who considers them to be worth their submission.
Of course, some women will really enjoy casual sex in a healthy way. They are the least, so I don't care about them.
If you see this as artificial scarcity, you might recognize that's parallel to what De Beers cartel did to diamond industry.
Speak for yourself, every normal man instinctually is revolted by sluts
Are you kidding? I fucking love sluts. I mean it. They suck mean cock, they generally know what they're doing, and they actually make an effort in bed.
And some are great to talk to. If she's exceptional, she's a bro and a hoe all in one.
I agree.
I never had any disdain for sluts
in fact, I love sluts.
As far as I am concerned, there is nothing better.
Besides, a self-aware slut knows what she is, and as such, she won't bug you after you've banged her expecting a relationship (something that women who don't consider themselves sluts do all the time - can you say annoying?)
and a slut is almost always willing to take the second fiddle role when you find someone better, and then a slut will also be there afterwords when you want to bang her again (without her needing you to explain anything - sluts just "get it").
As for "no one respects a slut", that may be true, but when i'm looking for a hot, pleasing to my eye, sexually adventurous woman to have fun with, I'm not worried about respect. so in that sense, a slut is perfect.
so yeah... i know i never felt that we didn't like sluts (i know i never said i didn't like them).
its just that different women have different purposes. For example, when i want help in finding a library book, i don't want a slut, i want a librarian.
when i want sex, easy access to pussy, or just some awesome sexual female energy around me, i want a slut.
It just depends upon what you want at the moment. In my case, I'm usually hoping for sex more often than a library book, for example
...and as such, its a slut that i want around most of the time (luckily, sluts are plentiful) so any man who likes them is a lucky man indeed.
Not bad, but maybe in order would be a post about how to find and attract quality women. TRP men have lots of experience with sluts. Quite near a monopoly I would think.
Have you been outside lately? They're an endangered species.
We should start a preserve. In all seriousness - they are so rare that we should be introducing each OTHER to them. I'd say every RP man probably knows ONE available quality woman on average (out of a normal, healthy sized social circle consisting of hundreds of peers).
We should be aggressively pairing these women with RP friends. I assume you guys have RP friends. If you don't? Get some.
I have a job where I meet a lot of people. I haven't met any quality women (in the key 18-24 demographic) in the past decade. The current generation really is fucked.
Plenty on here about seeking out unicorns. Look for women with strong father figures, parents still together, low n-count, and no mental illnesses.
Just remember all women are, at the very least, like the typical bar/club slut. It's a spectrum.
How to find and attract quality. Ok Don, joust those windmills, chase that unicorn, believe the myth.
When you step into reality, we'll be here.
Do you even realize what you're telling me here?
I know full well what I'm saying. There are no unicorns, no "high quality" girls, because every one of them can and will do the same bullshit.
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Why are you putting SO MUCH value on sex here? This is crazy.
What would you place higher value upon?
I just never need sex to feel validated or like I'm happy. In life, I put value on friends, parties, making money, food, all that ahead of sex.
Because TRP is about sexual strategy. Read the fucking side-bar.
No, I mean like, in life. It seems from this post that you really put a ton of value in sex in your day to day life.
All of the science like opinions i read here make me think you guys dont really have a clue :(
Holy fuck, I've been thinking about making a post like this for the past year. Mostly in the BP sections of Reddit. They don't understand that the reason RPers avoid sluts is that sluts cheat.
We're not moralists, we avoid things because they lack utility to us.
No, we avoid them because they offer a low-quality good, but try to charge high-quality prices.
A slut will go have sex with dozens of men, then try to make me "wait" because she's "not like that anymore." By having sex with so many men, she's devalued her brand equity and made her offering low-quality. By attempting to make me then wait and "earn" that sexual reward she gave so easily to other men is an attempt to charge premium prices for what is now a bargain good.
Fidelity isn't even in the picture.
I often do not like what is written on here, but on this I believe you are correct.
I believe it is like this when a man and a woman first start dating a woman wants the man to try and get her into bed as it makes her feel beautiful, sexy and that he is very physically attracted to her. The man on a superficial level wants her to say yes as that gives him easy sex but on a more deeper level he wants her to say No for the first few times he tries.
I never like what is written on TheRedPill.
I fucking hate the truth.
I am glad someone is out there doing the thankless job of writing the shitty truth into our national psyche, though.
Absolutely saving this. Good shit.
I find it rather strange how we get the bad wrap for slut shaming. Reality would have that Bp men and even women are the ones to do this. Men angry that all these youthful and extremely sexual women won't pay them any light. And better yet on the women side, writhing that they are not getting the attention.
We love sluts :') through and through.
I guess sluts are good as long as they don't get praised. Sluts lower the price of pussy across the board. we just have to make sure that women act right to compete with the sluts.
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Yeah we have 3rd wave but a lot of chick's watch what the powerful and high status men want.
This is such a high quality post.
Excellent understanding of the nuances. Clearly written in a logical fashion that's easy to digest.
I read this yesterday and didn't have time to comment. It's quality posts like this which make me believe there's still hope in TRP. Have a point. ♂
High praise coming from you. I'm honored. Thank you.
In my opinion, whether a chick is a slut or not is highly contextual. For example some random chick fucks guys who are 2 meters tall and ride only BMW. You might say that bitch has standards that some of us would never meet. BUT once a girl finds herself in a bus full of NBA players, she might be passed between them just like a ball, UNLESS she would readjust her standards.
How would you guys judge chick like that?
Wow, perfectly worded. A lot of the comments here are about sluts being sluts, but an important takeaway is that if you're friendzoned, its YOUR fault.
This is a bad road to go down red pill, encouraging girls to be more frigid is fucking stupid. More sluts = more sex, and since sex is the primary goal of this sub, this post is redundant. I love sluts and you should too.
Thank you. This is exactly what I needed to read.
You could have replaced sluts by women.
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Women hate hoes because they know that they will be hot fucks. Her man will pick the hottest bitch out there- and there's no way in hell she could ever compete. Thus her man will treat her worse because he got jaded by escort pussy.
They do the same shit right now by fucking high value Chads whom they could never get commitment from. Then they get alpha widowed and blame it all on the next guy she LTR's- who is actually from her SMV.
This is why women who fall in this category deserve to be treated badly.
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I'm bored of your post. Go fap to pornhub or wherever you belong.
Prostitutes are only competition if all you offer is sex.
Given that most women today are overweight, incompetent in the kitchen, unfeminine and swear like sailors, they literally offer nothing else.
It's why I only date Chinese girls
Thats not what I saw on the front page the other day!! I read that TRP is bad and stupid must be true.... of course I didnt read what the TRP is actually all about.... but its because you guys are bad!! aaand hypocrites!
Great post, man. Nailed it.
In all honesty this is simple social psychology and how human beings negotiate attraction and production of offspring.
slut are god gift for real men to have fun, nothing else.
It's that flawed (primarily millenial) logic seeping into the brains of SJWs & feminists everywhere. If we aren't fighting each other to the death for an opportunity to kiss a slut's holy golden asshole, we must clearly detest them and everything they stand for. If we don't conclude that their actions & behavior are God's gift to the world, we must clearly have some sort of vendetta against them.
it is quite odd isn't? that stating that you will not commit your wealth, your time, your devotion and your honour to a person that have commited themselves to short-lived experiences, is illreceived.
We live in a time where women are taught that they do not need to make themselves worthy of a good living, good husband, wealth or even health. Instead women, and men that wishes to be women(I do not mean transexuals) believe the lie that they deserve all these valuable treasures. Not because they worked for them, they don't even see themselves as better than others because noble heritage as people did in medieval times. No, they think that they deserve the best the world has to offer, simple because they exist. Of course the principle doesn't apply to every existing creature, only them, because that is what they feel should be true. But no matter what they feel the truth doesn't change, a smart selfmade man will not commit an idiotic such as gambling all their hard work for cunt of a whore, who already has given away her only quality to many other men for much smaller price, it would be a terrible deal for him to make.
So true.
This is how women value commitment: http://imgur.com/gallery/2bdJR
Yeah, you have to love all the redpill "decontruction" posts on all the popular subreddits. I don't know if they outright lie on purpose or if they are just stupid. It is obvious they don't read the actual forum here.
The attempt to create a contradiction is the usual SJW bullshit. It's mental comprehension on a single linear plan which is what four year olds do. Not intelligent adults. The anti-TRP types try to say that TRP types can't disregard a slut and have an LTR with a woman because that's just wrong. That's their limited view and mental capacity.
But here's the thing. I love sluts, sluts not a woman who is a slut. I'm in love with the way sluts are fun and amazing, for the first couple of months. How they give you their best sex. And when you are 31, a lawyer, you own a few businesses (and this can be verified), and have a small real estate portfolio. They give you amazing sex.
They will believe, or pretend to believe that you are sexual being of a metaphysical level. And that even though you are married, you can be freed from your wife if they give you amazing sex and share energy with them and that to do so. They must swallow your cum at least four times while having sex with you and eating your ass.
I've been running this schtick on sluts for a few years and it's great. The individual slut I don't love, but the throng, the ranks, the leagues of slut that come into my life and leave, well them. They I love.
An individual slut is disposable, replaceable, and expendable. But a rotation of sluts coming and going , getting fucked'an'chucked, that's something to love.
One thing I've read over and over again here, is never commit to a woman ever. Ergo, all women who would fuck you are sluts.
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