I Met an Orbiter

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June 21, 2016

One of my girls moved in with some 400 pound neck beard who's always buying her drinks. She mocks him in private company. I have other GFs and we're not exclusive and he knows that.

Last night he said to me, "I hope you're not intimidated by her being with me."

I wanted to laugh so hard and let him know how much she is going to take advantage of him financially and emotionally, that he's going to have to listen to her scream through his walls as I fuck her and that he has no shot at anything short of a pity fuck but I couldn't. He was so proud to have that pathetic moment.

So I just said, "Thanks for worrying about my feelings. You're such a nice guy."

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Title I Met an Orbiter
Author Saintmyname
Upvotes 754
Comments 225
Date 21 June 2016 11:19 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/39449
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4p42wt/i_met_an_orbiter/
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[–]FairlyNaive553 points554 points  (63 children) | Copy

It would be funny if it wasnt so sad.

[–]-sr71158 points159 points  (53 children) | Copy

I let a girl convince me to go visit a different city with her even though i actually really did want to go because i would get great display pictures out of this outing lol. A photographer orbiter of hers from literally the opposite end of the country had come to see her.

He rented the car paid for gas. Had a professional camera took our pictures.

He'd keep touching and trying to engage her in convo while she rolled her eyes behind his back and smirked at me.

We snuck away from him and another friend of hers, while he was trying to follow us with his drone camera trying to see what we were up to.

He'd share stories of his previous Heartbreak's to evoke her sympathy the whole thing was so sad.

And at the end of the day he even insisted to pay for all of our food. The whole time the girl and her friend were talking shit being his back telling me stories about how he got dumped by his girlfriend how he was such a loser all the while taking advantage of his generosity and photography skills.

A month later he sent her the developed pics with none of my alone pics in them lol.

Like you said it would have been funny if it wasn't so sad.

[–]PoppinMadPillz126 points127 points  (1 child) | Copy

"We snuck away from him and another friend of hers, while he was trying to follow us with his drone camera trying to see what we were up to."


[–]amdc38 points39 points  (42 children) | Copy

I've read these stories and remembered my friend telling stories about how his gf is having couple of (as he referred to) 'fans' buying her shit in video games while knowing she's taken. Somehow they don't realise they're being exploited and think they have a *chance*

[–]sharp748 points49 points  (31 children) | Copy

I think they deep down know they are being exploited. But when you have extra money you want to give it to things you like. And they like the pretty girl. They want to see more pretty girls in the world and less ugly fucks like them. Its just like how beta apes still help the females and the alpha. They can't fuck anyone but at least they get to help the community. They get to choose which girl to give their money to and thats enough for them.

So fucking sad. God damn it. I only understand because of my own self loathing.

[–]ASunCame 20 points20 points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah, I've definitely done this. The only thing I really have to offer is (a very modest amount of) money, and I'd rather be in the company of a woman than alone. Pathetic as hell, I know.

[–]anangryterrorist25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Many of us have been there, man. It happens, we learn, we grow. Don't let it keep you down, just try and not let it happen again.

[–]3chazthundergut18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy

Well, a little money can go a long way in Tijuana. I've learned this beautiful lesson recently myself. And it definitely takes some of the sting of loneliness away when you have a 20 year old Chica sucking your dick.

Start saving up the money you'd normally blow on women who you already know aren't going to fuck you, and start planning a trip to Mexico or the Phillipines or Thailand. You can change your life!

[–]KimJongUntzUntz18 points19 points  (9 children) | Copy

Foreign women are infinitely better than American woman anyways. They know and understand their place in the hierarchy. They know how to cook and clean and cater to their provider in every way, and dont have any dillusions of 'equality' that US women seem to think they deserve.

Some guys snicker at those who go to faraway places and bring back a tasty oriental prize. They think that the girl is with him only because he is her ultimate meal ticket out of her shit hole country...and they are right.

While many here at RP say never commit and never have kids, I dont think that is the right formula for everyone. I for one do want kids one day...and I would like a woman to do the dirty work in raising them; while I take my boy fishing and hunting and play tea time with my daughter and read her stories, just as it should be.

What they fail to realize, unlike us who have swallowed the pill, is that all women view you as their meal ticket. American woman just think they can eat at the buffet and not do any of the dishes.

[–]getRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They know and understand their place in the hierarchy. They know how to cook and clean and cater to their provider in every way, and dont have any dillusions of 'equality' that US women seem to think they deserve.

Yeah, no. You spoil them anyway

[–]1nzgs2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women really aren't that different around the world, seems to be a myth I read a lot on the internet. They have a greater respect for the feminine gender role but they are just as materialistic, shallow and hypergamous, in fact often MORE hypergamous since they are more financially dependent on a man.

[–]1james-watson1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only thing females respect is strength. Show any weakness and they'll gut you for everything you're worth.

They're the same everywhere, because they're homo sapiens.

Historically, they were confined to the home because men refused to deal with their foolishness when running an empire which was competing against other empires. The empire with women running around in the military and other government institutions would be the one that got crucified by their enemies first.

Weak men let this happen. It has always been men who kept women in line. Women will always resist like a child that doesn't know whats best for it, but men must always put them in their place. Firmly, but from a desire to protect and nurture.

This is how civilization developed. Without it, you have the mud huts of Sub Saharan Africa.

[–]shadowchicken850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women in places like Indonesia and the Philippines expect the man to pay or provide for almost everything (man works, woman spends.) If you lack cash and lack an alpha frame you will get exploited like fucking crazy. I've got some pretty screwed up stories from men I've seen fleeced to the bone from both Indo and Pinay women.

[–]antariusz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The women don't change, you just are experiencing the same women from a different societal position. So you see what men at the top see.

[–]chootey 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Some guys snicker at those who go to faraway places and bring back a tasty oriental prize. They think that the girl is with him only because he is her ultimate meal ticket out of her shit hole country...and they are right.

I think the issue is that these women will go for literally anything. At least here in the US, women will consider my other qualities, unless I'm rick. Looks, personality, game are part of the equation.

I know a pedophile who flew to Thailand and now has a hot, young wife. This guy is in his 50s, grossly overweight, obnoxious, and also a pedophile (he molested a kid but was never charged).

I know another 70+ man that's living in Thailand and he also has a hot, relatively younger wife now. This man is an obnoxious ass too.

I don't snicker at them and I'm sure they couldn't give a shit what I think, but having a hot wife doesn't make them any less pathetic either.

[–]cashmaster_luke_nuke0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

what makes the seventy year old pathetic?

[–]Gagnostopoulos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think a lot of us have been there, fam. But admitting there's a problem is the first step to solving it.

[–]sharp7-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy

I wish I could just believe in the blue pill. That if I do my work and get a stable job that I'll be loved. But I know thats not true anymore. I was born cynical and red pill.

Only the top 20% make it. Sometimes I think life is just about finding out how to be happy as a bottom 80%er. The closest I've gotten is when I believed in trying my best. I take solace in knowing the 20/80 mating ritual will make evolution faster but then I see chicks fucking retards and I realize letting childish women choose the evolution of mankind is also retarded. I wish my faith in the system could be restored. I guess in the long run it will get fixed in the end the fittest survive.

[–]3chazthundergut8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Alternatively, you could view this as a blessing and an opportunity. You just woke up in a videogame, a videogame where the top 20% of men have sex with all kinds of beautiful women and can create whatever awesome life they can dream up. Right now, your character is in the bottom of the heap, without access to the women or the lifestyle he desires. Good news is, with enough discipline and intelligence and dedication, you can change your character's life dramatically. But not by sitting around complaining about how unfair this game is.

To paraphrase Joe Rogan: Become the hero of your own life's movie. Start right now.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're right. Heck I've been top 20% before and some would say I'm top 20% now. But, it just pains me to see so many so miserable. Something about the system just doesn't feel right to me. Maybe this is just a six-sense about the economy that's been fairly common lately. Most people still feel like we are in a recession, or that one will come soon. The current election is just a symptom of how broken the system has become. Both trump and hillary are creepy as fuck and extremes.

I don't know I just can't shake the feeling that something is off. Maybe its just growing pains because society has changed more recently than it has ever. Maybe I've just ran into biased experiences.

[–]8n0n0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right now, your character is in the bottom of the heap, without access to the women or the lifestyle he desires. Good news is, with enough discipline and intelligence and dedication, you can change your character's life dramatically.

There is a game that sort of demonstrates that; GTA: San Andreas.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I know what your thinking. Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.

The top 20% aint what it used to be. If you are in shape and not a fat fuck that puts you well into the top half right there. If you fake some confidence and learn a smattering of game you can easily make into the lofty top 20% of "Alpha."

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Thats whats so depressing though. You could cure cancer but still not illicit tingles. Its gross.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

So? Have an AMALT:

You wouldn't have wanted to fuck Madam Curie either so really our base instincts are no worse than theirs. We are just more honest about it and they have used the lies and a pliant society to condition men to expect something different from women holy vagina bearers.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya exactly. Our genitals are betraying us, it sucks. I feel like it just goes back to the root problem which is society is changing faster than evolution can catch up. Sucks. I wonder if there is any solution...

Maybe the entertainment industrys solution is just to keep society sedated. The people with addictive and shitty behavior get hooked on tv, games etc and stop improving so that they can die off quicker.

[–]bigdickbanditss8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Whenever my friends begin ranting about how effeminate the Western world is and how we need to change it I always scoff and say "Why? We need betas to keep paying for our girls."

Betas are good for society and good for alphas. I'd rather have only me and a handful of other guys know what's actually happening. That way there's more for us.

[–]sharp74 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Very true. In the past pre-internet simple red-pill truths would be hidden as much as possible. Knowledge is power, and its best to not share it for your own self interest.

But this is the short term solution. In the long run I feel like this society will crumble and we will end up like japan where no one reproduces and Betas just obsess over video games and fantasy. You can only get someone to run for an invisible carrot for so long.

[–]donaldcicc2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They would be better using that money they are spending on these girls on a working girl instead. Or even a sugar baby arrangement. At least those are quid pro quo and they are getting something back on their investment.

[–]icecow1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

They are paying for the suspension of disbelief and hope. They see having an unscratched lottery ticket as having a chance.

Lesson Learned: Trying to see things in terms of probability is bluepill much of the time, a lot more than people think.

[–]sharp71 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

How is probability bluepill? I feel like its the opposite. People who think "at least I got to roll the dice!" are fucking retarded. Red pill is all about discipline and truth, accurate probabilities.

[–]icecow6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

For giggles, search Youtube for Dumb and Dumber 'There's a Chance'

It's the widespread misinterpretation of probability. Smart people start doing this (see video). If someone starts seeing the world around them in terms of probability they have mathematically jumped the shark. For one, they don't have enough facts to estimate the probability. Example. Guys says, 'Odds go up to 70% if I wear a nice shirt'. Hey guy shuddup and wear a nice shirt and forget the math. His math stinks.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ohhhhh thats what you meant. Its true you cant know the probability of anything in the real world so trying to use it sounds batshit retarded. I hate when I see it in movies. Even if a robot does it, it sounds retarded and I just go "how is this shitty robot who cant even predict human behavior enough to have a normal conversation predict this hyper complicated scenario to a %".

[–]CQC38 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy

While it's true that women enable and bring on these things, it's also true that if they didn't do anything that it would happen anyways. Back in my XBL days I knew this girl that would pretty much get free MS points (online currency for anyone who doesn't know) for nothing. She never sent the guy anything, did anything etc. These guys just do this shit, they love buttering up women or serving them.

The new version of this is these girls who have figured out you can make some extra cash streaming on twitch. Funny, the cam girls these days don't even have to get naked, they just need to play video games and talk to the viewers and they will get a shit ton of donations.

None of the stream girls I've seen are good at the games they play, I mention this because if you want to be a successful male streamer you either need to be famous elsewhere, have gotten in during the "goldrush" period of twitch (before oversaturation), or just be either outlandishly good (pro level) or have a very entertaining persona/online social circle in which viewers can vicariously experience socializing (sad but this vicarious living is not gaming exclusive)

I've been keeping my eye on this for quite some time. I find it fascinating what trends have developed in the template for running a successful YT channel or stream, they're extremely telling of the times we live in.

As usual on the internet, people either get unnecessarily angry at girls online or unnecessarily friendly. I hate both groups equally because they're one in the same.

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[–]amdc1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

There are couple semi-famous streamer girls in where I live and most of them (if not all) are just fishing for donations and using bots to rise to the top.*

Needless to say, they are very boring to watch regardless of their skill. Streamer makes his stream fun to watch, not the game they're playing. same thing goes for letsplays.

* It's acctually pretty easy to see if streamer using bots or not.

  • If you see 500+ 'people' watching stream and chat is dead = they are not people

  • If you go to their socialblade.com page and see this = bots

  • If you go to their twitch page and see only 130k views with 5k followers = it should at least raise some concerns

It was a bit of off-topic rant, sorry for that

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

where do 3k bots come from? (I honestly don't know)

[–]amdc1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can just buy them, if you google "twitch viewer bot" you'll find couple sites that do this. 3k bots cost as low as $30/mo.

[–]RPmatrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wow! thanks for that amigo

[–]CQC30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Most of them are honestly not even above average. That was probably my first dose of TRP before I even knew it. Even when I was BP as fuck, I knew that girls sucked ass at games.

[–]GIGANTIC_NIGGER_DICK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can you expand more on the vicarious living part?

[–]CQC34 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just look for signs of primary experiences being replaced by shittier second tier ones.

Instead of socializing themselves and making friends, they watch people do Lets Plays (which are essentially selling friendship). LP's are just a way people vicariously experience couch gaming with buddies. Although, I will say there is something more to the concept as entertainment based on who does it.

Same with twitch streams, instead of socializing or PLAYING the games themselves, they watch others play while they indulge in what others think on the internet and socialize there.

More so, all these streams and channels have taken the template that I believe was popularized by the #1 YT'er PewDiePie and they all have some dumbass name for their audience. Bro Army, Minions, etc. And if you sub you can be a part of that group, that's how it is framed. It plays on people's need to belong to groups.

Similarly people indulge in TV and Movies and even brag about binge watching shows which is essentially giving yourself a huge dose of fantasy where you are a floating eye that watches the lives of others being lived. Sure, movies and TV have been around, but never so immediately and at our finger tips.

Instead of watching fireworks at least 80% of the people see them through the recording that they take on their phone which they'll never watch. Instead of watching the game, many people's eyes will drift to the TV screen in the stadium to see the action that is happening literally right in front of them. Reality television is nothing more than a hyper real version of glorified socializing with a lot of drama. Etc.

[–]user_none5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man, that is savage as hell on the part of the girl and her friend.

I've had a few women orbiters in the past and they wanted to do things for me, cook, etc. Besides normal friendly type interaction I couldn't bring myself to use them like in your story.

[–]teeelo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We're all like that. It's wrong to take advantage of someone so pathetic.

With Women however, it happens to them 100x as much, so the concept of using Men becomes saturated and more easy to justify to their conscience.

[–]aznredpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God this story... it reeks of pain and misery

[–]human_enquirer-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Film, eh? What was he shooting on? 35mm, something larger.... maybe a shitty Canon AL-1 or a pentax from a thrift store? Perhaps he bought a full blown Nikon F-5.

Even cool toys will not get you intimacy.

[–]-sr714 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Digital camera of some sort he fixed the photos in Photoshop. Man the pictures came out amazing.

The guy could be slaying, he was a good photographer there's so many opportunities to game there. He was also in a band, unfortunately he's "such a nice guy and so romantic. His girlfriend moved to a different country and stopped talking to him. He took a plane after her to convince her to come back because he thought she was forced to go against her will" -her words...

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Jesus fucking Christ. Ever hear of a paragraph? Oh. I actually read it. You're a reaction bating troll. Mods? B& plz.

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[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah, it's all the trolling that makes you a troll.

Didn't read the rules = Banned.

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I love these mods. Keep up the good work!

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP330 points331 points  (22 children) | Copy

"Thanks for worrying about my feelings. You're such a nice guy."

Ooooh, stone cold. That's an ice burn.

[–][deleted] 160 points161 points  (0 children) | Copy

An insult straight to his face he took as a compliment. That's how it's done.

[–]sharp742 points43 points  (19 children) | Copy

God I get so mad when anyone calls me nice.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP72 points73 points  (4 children) | Copy

Probably the butthurt you're showing. Nice guys get mad a lot. Get your IDGAF up to lvl 1 and then see how you're doing.

[–]1jb_trp24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy

Exactly. NiceGuys give others too much power over them. It's pathetic. The less you're affected by other's opinions of you, their acceptance, their approval, and the more you approve yourself, the more empowered you'll be.

Is it any wonder why everyone (including feminists) loathe NiceGuys? The use so much effort and resources to gain things that don't really matter: Other's acceptance of themselves. It can be in the form of attention, Facebook likes, sex, etc. But in the end it's all the same. Respect can't be purchased, only earned.

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Plug for No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover

[–]B_Rawb18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy

Why? I enjoy being called nice, it means the company I'm keeping hasn't caught on yet. Take it as a compliment.

[–]sharp76 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

You sure? I feel like it means "I can take advantage of you for free." The worst is ehen they say they like you because your nice. And people like that really do mean it. Soon as you stop giving them free attention they get pissed.

[–]B_Rawb10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

It really depends on context, I guess. Personally I think it means you're socially competent enough to not raise any read flags. "I like you because you're nice" is a bit different. Nice is pretty subjective though. Now if someone says "you're always there for me." "You're like a brother to me" then you're likely on the wrong side of the track, especially with a romantic interest.

[–]sharp72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True its also just one of the vaguest compliments. Still every time Ive heard it, bad shit happened. And all the times good stuff happened it was never mentioned.

[–]BuddhistSC2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not everyone's a sociopath. All of my friends are pretty nice and I'm pretty nice too. Being actually nice isn't the "nice guy" meme. You don't have to be a literal dickhead to be alpha, if you genuinely enjoy being a good person.

edit: As others have said, context/tone are very important.

[–]1james-watson4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The word you're looking for is dignified, or honorable.

Men less than a century ago would be extremely polite, until you disrespected them. Then you'd be dueling for your honor.

"Nice" is a very poorly defined term. In common parlance it means pushover, spineless, or pussified. You can be an honorable man, but that doesn't make you weak.

[–]BuddhistSC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. There are much better words -- polite, generous, trustworthy.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True maybe Im overthinking it. I just hate the idea of being called nice just instantly translates to weak for me. Probably just overreacting and being biased. Idk

[–]DownvotesCatposts6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Okay listen. I was right there with you. I hated being called nice because that meant I was a nice guy and whatever chemistry thought I had with a girl was just me reading in to things. Until this one night. I was at a bar with a few friends and to make a long story short it was near the end of the night and she and I had already put back a few shots. The memory is a bit hazy but she said "you're nice" in some context and I stopped, sighed, and said thanks. She then said "What? Being nice isn't a bad thing. It's a very good thing." But I still didn't believe her, and I distanced myself. Had I known then that The Medium Is The Message, and that her proximity to me, her constant eye contact, the way she said it was the actual message, I could've probably taken her home that night. But no - I cockblocked myself because I got hung up on a dumb little word that I was always told was bad. And mutual friends confirmed as much. "Nice Guys Finish Last" except when the tight little Italian cutie in front of you is looking for (what she thinks is) a Nice Guy, wants to keep drinking with this Nice Guy, wants to fuck this Nice Guy.

So don't get triggered by a stupid word like "nice". It's like a hot girl asking you if you're gay. She doesn't think you're gay,it's a shit test to see if you're really that confident in your outfit (which she is clearly noticing).

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Intersting. Iv had similar convos before with people reacting with "being nice isnt bad..." I just didnt believe them and distanced myself. I was hoping you actually fucked her because im still thinking "maybe she was just leading him on to buy drinks" and just agree with the paranoid part of you.

But I guess your right in general that context matters.

[–]DownvotesCatposts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that's the thing. "Being a nice guy isn't bad" is also a common mantra used by women who enjoy the utility of their Beta Orbiters, as well as bluepill Betas themselves to justify their enslavement. They will most adamantly defend this position in front of their girlfriends who don't respect them, their wives who run their lives, or women they won't admit that they want to fuck. The true determining factor is the body language, the context, as I said.

[–]CQC32 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

You were so candid about what irritates you.

What a nice guy.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahahah. Being candid I dont think is nice or mean. You could walk up to someone and call them ugly candidly. Or walk up and tell someone they are cool candidly.

[–]Ifuckinglovepron54 points55 points  (11 children) | Copy

I cant imagine a decent girl living with a 400lb neckbeard even for free rent. I'm gonna guess she is a 5 or below and trashy.

[–]Scrubstepcat23 points24 points  (9 children) | Copy

My mom was a solid 8, had me at a super young age and left my (already well off) Dad for a super rich 400lb neckbeard

[–]butiwasdrunk41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy

did you just rate your own mom on a scale?

[–]enjoyit711 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

More money less competition time to swing branches.

[–]teeelo3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

See, it's people like you that I want to hear more from.

It's like you got a crash course in TRP at an early age.

[–]cs_throwawayyy105 points106 points  (5 children) | Copy

Plot Twist: Your girl has a fetish for dominating big guys and he is fucking her everyday.

[–]FlintShaman36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's an M.Night level twist right there.

[–]Corndog_Enthusiast2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But have you seen Signs??? Barely anything happens...

[–]privatejohngarrett10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know a guy and a girl who both have a fetish for gigantic people. The guy actually was upset that his gf kept losing weight and told her if she didn't stop he would break up with her. She kept dieting and working out and he dumped her. A mutual friend who worked on his computer and saw his messages and all sorts of fat chick porn sites is how we found out.

[–]RealMcGonzo10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is there a way to scrub posts you have read from your memory? TIA.

[–]DownvotesCatposts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whoa, it's like a double-Beta fakeout.

[–]1skittles_man45 points46 points  (10 children) | Copy

It's amazing to see this stuff in action. There is nothing more insufferable than a white knight defending his fair maiden's honor. Shit man, I've had my fair share of issues, which led me to TRP; but I never orbited a chick. Keep doing God's work by fucking her, he'll eventually wake up and his breakfast will taste sweeter and all that shit.

[–]evilpuke3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

I have. Looking back it was pretty much verbatim of what everybody says on here of red pill theory. I was a being an emotional crutch and I was never more than a friend and would never be anything else.

[–]wiseprogressivethink5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah, I've been there. Pity fucks are a real thing, actually. Exceedingly rare, though.

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[–]wiseprogressivethink8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Eh, not in detail.

Basically, I was the world's biggest beta orbiter/emotional tampon for this slutty chick when we were both teenagers, and I guess in order to quell my endless mewling (and to keep up my false hopes that she'd eventually be with me) she threw me the occasional BJ. She usually would do it right around the time I started talking to another girl, so I'm not even entirely sure it counts as pity head; it may have been some weird form of beta dread game. I dunno. All I know is that as soon as the act was completed, she wasn't at all interested in kissing/cuddling/holding hands; she wanted the "relationship" back at completely platonic, stat.

[–]darkrood7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

TIL: platonic friends give occasional BJ

[–]wiseprogressivethink0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She was a very "giving" gal...

[–]ThrowyMcGruder2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

At 400 lbs I bet his breakfast already tastes pretty sweet.

[–]taracus110 points111 points  (57 children) | Copy

Im not sure Im completely following your post, one of your plates moved in with an orbiter and everybody in the story are aware of the fact that you are sleeping with her (including other women)?

To be honest I would have been a bit put off by sleeping with a woman I know just blew a 400 pound neckbeard to have a roof over her head or am I missing something?

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK73 points74 points  (17 children) | Copy

Simple roommate situation, sounds like.

[–]taracus22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

This makes sense, I think the whole "she is with me" comment made me think she was actually "with" him.

[–]TheRedLadle5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's how I initially read it.

It was probably more along the lines of, "yeah you two are a 'thing', but look who she chose to live with out of us two - looks like me and her will be a 'thing' soon"

[–]akolyteofthecentury2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In his mind they were together, she just didnt know it yet. He had it all figured out: the big "I love you too, have forever. Oh how could i not see it for so long?", the proposal, wedding, kids, growing old together - the kind of disney-esque shit.

Much like a girl who will break up with you and let you know a few days/weeks/months later when she's all set to hit that big ol' "EJECT" button, only in reverse.

[–]PlanB_pedofile30 points31 points  (13 children) | Copy

Gah.... the whole co habitate with female that you are not fucking... such cuckery.

Poor sap will be with his ponies and warcraft while this chick is getting anal from dudes she met at a bar.

I know living is tough these days, but i would live out of my car than with a woman roommate

[–]JaredTheGreat 42 points42 points [recovered] | Copy

I'm 26 and have a female roommate. I'm not sure if you think you've got to spend a ton of time with them, but I just poach her friends and keep to myself. Hasn't been an issue yet.

[–]detachedbymarriage32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't see the big deal.

You have the boundaries, have nothing to do with her other than share bills, who gives a shit if the roommate is male or female?

As long as she doesn't get in the way what you bring home or turn you into a emotional tampon, you're good.

[–]FlintShaman14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have to agree with you on this one. I see no issue with it unless she try to turn you into BoyfriendLite. If she starts trying to pull that shit then uproot and GTFO. She can find her cuck somewhere else.

[–]Donuteater7804 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Realistically, you do tend to interact with people who you live with. I hate having other people in the house if you don't talk to them much.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Not everyone hates women as much as you do I guess. Shit, in college I lived with 3 sorority girls in a house for one summer. They were shit talkers and annoying as hell at times, but it wasn't such a bad scenario. We would party together, and I had a lot of fun. Sure I didn't bang any of them, but it's not like I didn't bang their friends. Perhaps that's "cuckery" (nice meme btw), but fucking your roommates sounds like a shit show.

[–]Donuteater78013 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't screw the crew. Ever.

[–]darkrood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Whoa, is that a new code?

Bro before ho.

Don't screw the crew.

Seriously, put a short principle post with all these snappy codes

[–]PlanB_pedofile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mostly the annoyance factor. Dealing with the chick drama even if you only use the place to sleep.

I never roommated like that unless it was a relationship.

To each their own I guess. My age showing again.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Get ready for this one...Liked a girl, told her, got rejected, took at job with her anyway, asked her to move in with me cuz maybe she will get to know and love me right?!, girl proceeds to fuck new boyfriend in my house and phone him on the bus to work everyday while sitting next to me. Yet I still watched netflix with her most nights after work and did back rubs. That was a different life though. This sub literally changed the course of my life more than any other factor.

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell, I was thinking it's weird on her part for willingly living with this fucko. I think we need to get a look at this chick.

[–]Uptonogood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All I heard from friends who had girls as roommates at some point in tiime, is that they can be disgustingly unhigienic. Hearing the dude talk about it was like he went through a warzone or something.

[–]Grimsterr39 points40 points  (21 children) | Copy

Sounds like she's living with but not fucking him. If so he's no longer just an orbiter, he's more like a full on moon. Trapped for eternity in her magnetic pull.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (12 children) | Copy

At 400lb it's not magnetism, it's gravity.

[–]Grimsterr44 points45 points  (10 children) | Copy

Wouldn't that make HER the orbiter? :D

[–]the_number_238 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy

There's no room for science in metaphors.

[–]Godtiermasturbator19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

All I know is, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.

[–]kinklianekoff8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

maybe she is above 400 lbs.

[–]Grimsterr11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP got some splainin to do!

[–]Donuteater7801 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It could be like Pluto and Charon. They basically orbit as a pair around the sun.

[–]runikepisteme3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

as a former fat guy . I can confirm this .

[–]WAFC10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy

She's living with him and not telling anyone she's fucking him. He seems to think they're together in some capacity. Listening to her actions, I'd say there's a better than decent chance they do something sexual.

[–]recoveringPHPDev12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

To be fair though, a lot of niceguys don't know the difference between being with someone and orbiting them. Or at the very least they think that orbiting is stage 0 of a relationship.

[–]FlintShaman6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

When in reality it's like stage -5

[–]recoveringPHPDev11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's stage √(-1). Imaginary.

[–]FlintShaman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stage i bro. Gotta love them imaginary numbers, like his imaginary sexlife.

[–]Docbear649 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get how you could see the scenario this way but as a former blue pill gent I can definitely tell you that when you are starved of a womans' attention it doesn't take much for you to claim " ownership" . At one point my ex girlfriend had me as an orbiter and was dating a guy she cheated on me with . I was so deluded that the fact she had late night conversations with me , asked me to defend her honor when some creep was calling her phone ( her actual Cheat partner / boyfriend was not masculine just different and couldn't be intimidating) , and gave me quiet "I love you"'s in secret while posting about how much she adored the new guy fed my male hamster thoroughly.

I was so consumed by the idea that ANY attention still made her mine that I couldn't see that clearly I was just a nice little compliment to the dude she actually wanted . Never underestimate blue pill conditioning .

As a logical man it's hard to believe how foregone and deluded a beta can be but having lived on both sides of the spectrum i KNOW just how desperate a beta can be . I think it comes from not understanding women at all and on top of that not having experience with women .

Acts of exploitation ( from women ) are seen as being protecting and coming across as a worthy guy ( to blue pill men) . That's why they revile alphas and red pill mentalities so much , when you try to buy off a woman with kindness and chivalry and then this smooth talking muscular asshole sweeps in uses her up and spits her out it makes no sense at all from a blue pill mindset . so they ascribe mystery and women just being overruled by their emotions when the fact of the matter is women love to fuck hot interesting men and betas are typically neither..

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[–]JourneymanTRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or that he's so pathetic he won't bother her for sex at all.

[–]Squeezymypenisy14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy

The only blowjob he is getting is in his waifu fantasies.

[–]Neuermann7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy

What is this waifu I keep seeing?

[–]spurdosparade29 points30 points  (6 children) | Copy

Waifu is when a grown up man have a relationship with a fictional 2d character, usually from animes. It's like a wife, but in your head. Sometimes they buy a pillow of the said anime girl to sleep with.

source: me, reformed omega-otaku

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy

Never ever tell this story to anyone. Ever.

[–]Neuermann8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Kind of like the Dr from Archer? That's pretty funny.

[–]JourneymanTRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly like that except without the 3d projection and it's usually in at least somewhat of a joking manner. Usually..

[–]GetBenttt5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like a form of psychosis to me

[–]Squeezymypenisy10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its a meme I saw on 4chan. Basically like body pillows and fake computer females that are often thought of as a "wife." For some really neckbeard types, they become real enough.

[–]August12th4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she could find a 400lb mans dick I would just be impressed and so would everyone else involved

[–]1jb_trp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

just blew a 400 pound neckbeard to have a roof over her head

The beauty of the situation for her is that she doesn't have to touch him with a 10-foot pole to get the things that she wants. They're just "friends" (AKA he's her emotional tampon, provides financial support, etc.).

[–]JourneymanTRP1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm assuming she's a long term low maintenance lay. Those are good to keep in your back pocket, who cares if they blow the comic-book guy for an apartment to stay in.

[–]melxer24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

that he's going to have to listen to her scream through his walls as I fuck her

Careful that he doesn't kill you and her while you're doing it, I would.

[–]3savoryprunes10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait, are you saying you would kill them if you were the neckbeard orbiter? Or are you saying (in Yoda speak) that you would be careful if you were OP?

[–]FlintShaman14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well I don't know what he's saying but I'm saying just make sure he doesn't try to sit on you while you sleep.

[–]human_enquirer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had moments like that in my BP days; another man would validate something I said of did by saying "huaman_enquirer, you're such a nice guy." Even back then it felt weird but assumed I simply didn't know know the finer points of social interraction.

In reality it was more of a case of "if you don't have anything nice to say, say something nice and without substance."

He was so proud to have that pathetic moment.

Ahh, the little things in life.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some clarification for all: he may be more like 375. She looks like a typical big asses Latin pornstar but is white (I don't rank women by numbers). She is probably the third hottest of the six women I'm fucking . He is always with her when she goes out. Always! He keeps telling me to treat her right like this chick is actually dating me. She also has an ex fiancee she regularly fucks. I do not care what she does or who she does. I'm sorry if the post lacked details. I

[–]schmolch14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can't decide whether girls are evil for doing this to a guy or just pitiful because they can't be alone. Is it both? Whatever, thank you god universe for not making me a woman.

[–]God_Mode_Challenge2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

upvote for not believing in god

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was expecting a picture of the Space Shuttle.

[–]Bielzabutt7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

These are the types of guys that end up committing suicide. At least he'll be there to be her emotional tampon so it won't come your direction at all.

[–]Hughtub12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of my girls recently moved in with me. I'm like 380lbs and have a neck beard. The guy she was with before, who thinks he still has her, is so easy to manipulate to make him think that I'm not actually stealing his girl. I'm a fuckin level 47 WoW player with lots of loot. I have a huge collection of midevil swords that any girl would drip over. I just need to bide my time and start wearing the right fedora hat that will make her mine.

[–]onepill_twopill13 points14 points  (16 children) | Copy

Man that's just so sad. Put him out of his misery.....

I wanted to laugh so hard and let him know how much she is going to take advantage of him financially and emotionally

If it were me, I'd tell him this part so he can at least slowly learn the cruelty of the world and have a chance at not becoming her bitch. Alas, I'm not you, so do as you will.

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[–]AskYouEverything19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy

getting head from her in the living room and asking him to get you a beer from the fridge

Hahaha, that's an amazing image

[–]JourneymanTRP9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

He'll still probably be convinced that he can swoop in later.

[–]mp1117 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

"I brought you a towel, m'lady."

[–]RobertCarraway1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Let me dab his foul stench off your lip, m'lady."

[–]FlintShaman7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's the way BP conditioning goes. Take logic away and replace with emotion. The only way they will learn anything is if you lace it full of feels for them.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

I find it kinda funny that you have to break a man so that he can become a better version of himself. Half the community comes here because they hit rock bottom. I guess it does get to a point where you can only go up.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Youre right. I work with ex military guys and they have very different ways of approaching their work to the other guys

[–]Redasshole7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why should he put him out of his misery? Who is this guy to him? He doesn't even know him. He isn't a friend or even an acquaintance. Plus ,the guy clearly views him as an adversary: he used this pathetic sentence because he thought iit would hurt OP.

But even if OP had a reason of helping him, he shouldn't. This guy won't listen. He will go back to SJW and white knight mode and try to harm him in order to get pussy from the girl.

Let that loser in his shit. The best thing that can happen to him is to get completely destroyed by this girl. Only a traumatic event can free one from the BP lies, and I'm sure this guy is BP as fuck.

[–]onepill_twopill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Many Red Pilled people started out as this guy. Sure he'll probably white knight ahead regardless, but I'd like less of them in the world, as they do more harm than good for both others and themselves.
Anyway, It's not like it'd be a radical attempt at reforming him, more just throwing a bone he can gnaw on later and perhaps even use to better himself.

[–]logicalthinker12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You're such a nice guy."

Damn that was brutal. He's gonna go home and be so happy with himself.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Vicious, vicious response. Well done

[–]TissueBabies5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

His reply was so savage it hurt me a little bit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorbogeyd615 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, this is a pretty low effort post.

[–]Swanksterino2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

ooo, did you have to call him a nice guy? that just seems egregious.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think he cared. He was so happy.

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[–]ConfessionsofaLurker37 points38 points  (7 children) | Copy

As a man, you should always choose to orbit something greater than a women center yourself instead of blindly following others

Look at the CEOs. The presidents. Hell, even the bro at the gym. They all share at least one thing in common. They don't orbit people. If anything, they orbit a higher power, wether that be money, power, or gains. Some even themselves. If you orbit someone, you are relinquishing your life to the thing you orbit. You give away your control and stability, and the best men don't do that.

[–]JourneymanTRP9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

One of my plates told me that the reason she was enamored with me was because I "wasn't above the influence" but that I "was the influence"

This kind of fits in.

[–]ColdEiric2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's an excellent and clean way to explain TRP without outing yourself as a redpiller.

You should give your plate a cookie, or something, for that comment.

[–]Klokinator5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

If I had money, you'd have reddit gold. That's a fantastic life philosophy.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

The lounge is absolutely useless. Don't give money to a website that would shut us down the second they had a good enough reason.

[–]Klokinator3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This (shitty) website gives you a popular platform to spread your views.

[–]The_DogeWhisperer10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

And they make ad revenue off of it. Welcome to the free market

[–]SPICY_BUTT_MILK2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So a nice framing hammer, or a sweet beer fridge in my shop.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It shocks me how removed from reality this guy is. I feel terrible for him.

[–]FlintShaman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't. If he blatantly ignores the truth then feel good that there is someone to pay for all of her shit while you fuck her.

[–]yizolo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When I see guys like this I want to help them. I want to explain the things they don't understand. Then I realize it's not going to work. They want to keep believing that this is the best they can do. They don't have to work hard. They just have to believe that it will all work out. It's not until they are broken that they can be rebuilt.

It's the same with lifting. I'd rather tell guys I just got lucky with genetics and have a high metabolism than tell them I'm in the gym 6 days a week moving steel and limiting the junk I shove down my gullet to look like I do.

[–]JourneymanTRP4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you get to 400lbs without 'breaking' I don't see any hope.

[–]nuesuh1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I should smile and laugh reading this, I didn't.

Even though that guy is a pathetic mess, I still feel bad for him. His life could have been so different.

Maybe it's nature. That some men falls into this role of eating fastfood, growing neckbeards and orbiting women that exploit their weakness and desires.

Maybe our society is just fucked. Maybe both.

[–]Saintmyname[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Our society is fucked, no doubt. And she leads him on, no doubt. And I could have been nicer, no doubt. But I couldn't make this asshole see the light if I harnessed a comet.

[–]nuesuh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not saying you should have been nicer, you did the right thing for yourself. No reason to get on bad terms with him. If he wants to think of himself as a stud, let him. If he wants to climb out of the hole he digged for himself he should be able to stumble on TRP or MGTOW or similar.

[–]greatslyfer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh god I would have died laughing.

I swear you can't make this shit up.

[–]privatejohngarrett3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Let's not make assumptions and underestimate neckbeard. She wouldn't tell you if she was blowing him regularly for gifts and money anyway. Some girls have no shame. At the very least this fat fuck probably has cameras set up in her bedroom and in the bathroom. Incidentally, it's definitely bothering you on some level (because you posted and also the tone of your post) so who's really the loser here? Also, a pity fuck is still a fuck, but in reality, you have no idea to what degree she is getting physical with him. You're not actually just taking what she tells you at face value are you?

[–]RobertCarraway0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

it's definitely bothering you on some level

Have you ever been bothered by a Neckbeard? Even if they are amusing they are so fucking delusional that it can be irritating.

so who's really the loser here?

uh... the neckbeard?

in reality, you have no idea to what degree she is getting physical with him.

Yeah, actually, he does. If he really has six women on rotation then I guarantee he knows women well enough tell you the exact likelihood of physicality. Unless the girl is way beyond average levels of slutty then there is almost no chance.

[–]privatejohngarrett0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, actually, he does.

Pay attention. He stated that the neckbeard has a chance at a pity fuck. If this guy thinks there is even a small possibility that this girl might fuck him, then blowing him on the reg for money/gifts isn't such a leap now, is it? This girl could be every bit the type of slut you described in your last sentence.

[–]Jaereth 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

It's funny when fat people don't know they are not, or pretend that they should be, taken as seriously as everyone else in everyday interactions.

Oh yeah dude, I'm sure now that she's in here you are going to get that pussy locked right down...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

You mean like single moms thinking they're hot and still good catches?

[–]JourneymanTRP8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

This wildebeest at my old workplace told me she was pretty good looking for her age.

She was about 50 years old, 400 pounds, could barely walk, literally had to be sent home for shitting her pants on multiple occasions when she couldnt make it to the bathroom, face covered in moles and liver spots, and usually had the scent of McDonalds still hovering around her from whenever she last ate.

I wanted to tell her she didn't even look good for her weight class.

[–]ColdEiric4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wanted to tell her she didn't even look good for her weight class.

HAHAHAHA! This world hasn't got enough of people like you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy dogshit, I don't have anything comparable to that. Shitting herself...

[–]privatejohngarrett0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If he has money, it doesn't matter how fat he is. Women will take him more seriously than a good looking guy with no money.

[–]1Jaereth5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Different types of women. Who would you rather attract? Those who are looking for a provider they think they can lock down or those who are just looking for the hottest guy they can fuck?

[–]MGHOW_ATL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

With a straight face and sincere tone? Give this man the Oscar!

[–]idontwanttostart0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is upsetting. I feel if it wasn't for luck, I would've been that guy... Fuck. Yeah. It ain't gonna go away. The anger.

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This is fucking vicious, I love it.

If I were you, I'd piss myself from laughing so much.

[–]Banned_For_Opinion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My immediate response to this situation is to get angry with the female for being so shallow and cavalier, but you can always trace the roots back to some sad pathetic lump of "man" that enables such behavior.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're supposed to say, "I just get her pussy, but YOU get her LOVE." And then act all broken hearted.

[–]aanarchist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

you shoulda just told him, throw a bro a bone. surely if you were him you'd want the bone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should get her to complain to him about how "theres no nice guys any more"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

u got mogged by a neckbeard.

[–]TomFoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I started lurking on neckbeardthings. Fedoras, m'lady, knives, false intellectual obsessions, cargo shorts. It all makes sense now.

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[–]Squeezymypenisy6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

He is not his bro though? He is just some random guy. None of these guys on here are your bros either.

[–]KartagoPill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who gives you right to tell orders?

Internet is tool and that betabitch didn't used it. It's his fault.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

He's having the last laugh because he probably fucked her Atleast once

[–]Saintmyname[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hope to god he has. All that time and money...

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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