Tl;dr
Helped out a guy I've known for long time and he hooked me up (pun intended) with a high-class escort girl he knows. Spent five hours with her where we went to dinner, had an interesting conversation about RP-topics and then did the deed. Just thought I do a quick writeup about my encounter here while my memory is still fresh.
FYI: Only expense I had was the dinner, the girl was paid for by my friend. Her rates started at $2.5k for 2 hours and $8k for a day (excluding flights, restaurants, requests like threesome etc.)
Before the meetup
I was shown the girl's website where she basically listed her rates, had a bunch of picture sets (nude/clothed), her body stats and an about me section where she described what she is into inside and outside the bedroom.
It was basically an honest tinder profile without the cringey quotes, bad photoshops and pictures taken five years ago before the woman decided she identified as a land whale. It was refreshing to say the least; pic-wise and from her description the girl sounded like a straight 10, not gonna lie here folks.
A day before our meet-up I called her on the work phone to check some formalities. She was accommodating and eager to please. It was a friendly and no BS approach from her part. She asked me what I wanted her to wear, if i had any special requests (e.g wig, special nails or even a butt plug), if it was a formal or casual dinner or if we were going to an art exhibition or some other social gathering.
I told her under which name I booked the table and that I would meet here there at 7pm; to test if she was actually committed to the whole thing I requested her wearing natural makeup, french nails, a tight black dress and high heels;
At the restaurant
I chose one of my favorite restaurants in the city for the date. A place I've been frequenting for years now and where I know all the waiters and even the owner; where I can come in on a Saturday evening and still get a table. If I wanted to to close the deal with a woman I'd always take her there. Being greeted on a first name basis and having a chat with the owner or getting an amuse-bouche from the chef has never failed to impress any girl; it shows social status and makes you interesting.
The restaurant was a semi-upscale place but not pretentious. I'm talking proper shoes, pants and a shirt but nothing over the top. The girl described herself as 'cultured' and 'well-mannered' so it seemed only appropriate to put those qualities to the test; after all, I'd say 90% of the women I've been dating so far have struggled with proper table manners and how to use the right piece of cutlery for every course, despite being self described 'foodies that love eating culture'.
I arrived at the restaurant at 7pm sharp and she was already seated. To my surprise she was exactly as advertised. It was probably the first time in my life where the pictures actually didn't do her justice - funny because usually it's always the other way around, either with height, weight, skin and whatnot. Those girls you meet in bars, clubs, on tinder & OKcupid are always very underwhelming compared to their instagram pages.
When she saw me approaching, she smiled, got up and gave me a hug and a kiss (on the mouth). It was all very natural and to observers we probably looked like a regular couple. I guess that's what they call the 'girlfriend experience' where those escorts actually make an effort to be caring and attentive - opposed to the ever increasing starfish experience you get these days. She also had thought about my requests wore the black dress, shoes and french nails.
To tell you right away, it was probably the best dinner date I've had to this day. There was no BS 'flirty' talk and negging to keep the girl entertained with the hopes to get laid, nor her being on her phone (actually she didn't pull it out once) or talking about pointless shit like 'finding herself' or those 'horrible men' she always came across.
You tend to underestimate it but the thought of guaranteed sex at the end of the day, no matter what, is just relieving. Not only do you make sure you don't waste time, effort and money but you can also enjoy your fucking meal without the usual and pointless chit chat that just makes my brain bleed. I guess you get what you pay for, eh?
We talked about a variety of interesting topics - red pill and random - and it was a very pleasant experience over all. She obviously knew how to keep a conversation going - on of the perks of being an escort I bet ;).
Interestingly enough, the girl also stated in the bio and interest section on her website that she's an admirer of a certain classical composer. Coincidentally, I went to a Conservatorium with a heavy focus on classical music for 7 years and put her knowledge to the test. Turned out you could actually have an in-depth conversation about said composer with her. So she didn't lie there either.
Some of the RP related things we talked about (her answers as I remember them are in italic)
...on other girls and the social dynamic of being an escort
-when men learn about my job they are usually curious and want to know more, when women do, they try to brand me as a whore and slut. They often feel threatened at my very presence, shun me and try to ruin my reputation among all of their friends. When I tell them that I don't fuck sleazy guys in nightclubs every weekend for free, but instead travel the world and can pick my clients who treat me well they usually just reply that 'its just college and everybody is partying'.-
Yes folks, we knew it all along. Nobody sluts shames as much as women, When it comes to being cruel and having a crab bucket mentality they are the champions. Even a study about misogynistic tweets on Twitter showed that over 50% come from women.
...on her type of clients
-I usually get two types of clients: happy and unhappy ones. The unhappy clients have made it in life and are established and usually 40+. All of them are married and have kids, and all of them are miserable. They come to me to forget their horrible wives that they cannot divorce for monetary reasons. Wives that haven't put out in months or even years but at the same time lust after their son's football coaches and teachers. Those men are the worst because they are absolutely broken. They have money, great business success but are always held back by their awful marriages - life ruined basically.
Then I have the happy clients that are usually in their mid 20's to 30's that don't have girlfriends and aren't married - by choice. Majority of them are eligible and successful bachelors that most women would love to put a ring on. They are't looking for cheap women in clubs nor for divorced single mothers that want another provider. They are usually fed up with the current dating market and the whole gender dynamic that we have now. They don't want to date unfeminine and entitled girls and spend a bunch of $ on them if they aren't getting their money's worth. -
PSA: Don't marry and don't have kids if you wanna be on the safe side. As a single guy with the funds that's looking for fun -- > escorts > club sluts
...on MGTOW and if that behaviour upsets or hurts women
-It doesn't hurt nor upset women at all. The majority of men are simply not realizing that most women have endless men at their disposal, literally a phone call away. In high school/college the sorority sisters on my campus used to call them 'Plan D' [wordplay from the plan B pill]. Men they would call if their main guys had a football game going and were unavailable. If those girls were horny and wanted quick sex and a free meal they'd text them.-
Yes boys, there you have it. You cannot own a women it's just your turn. And don't have your hopes up too high - the next Plan-D-guy is just a phone call away.
...on the life after being an escort (marriage/relationships) and being regarded as 'damaged goods'
-If you try long enough, there will always be men that are willing to look past this and are more to eager to get married. I don't want kids nor marriage at the moment but if I tried, I could probably get married to a really wealthy client within the next 6 months. The majority of men these days are just happy that someone wants to marry them. I knew a girl that was of Mormon faith and went to the Emirates to work in an organisation of her church. She got involved with wealthy locals and before she knew was the star at local gang bang parties. When her boyfriend at home found out she just said something about the devil and the struggle of finding back to her spirituality. They are married now with 3 kids.-
Almost spilled my drink when she told me this.... damn!
...on what it takes to be a high class escort and how much jealousy their is with other girls in the business
-Contrary to popular belief, being a high-end escort is very different from your average coked up whore. At our price tag we can't afford to be flakes or to underperform. Our clients have high expectations and want the very best. Our body is our toolkit. Staying young, healthy and beautiful is most important. Vegetarian diet, workout daily, no drugs, no smoking, no tanning, get regular health and STD checkups, maintain/wax private parts, get nails and hair done etc. Most of my escort friends need to be cultured as well. I'd say everyone speaks at least two languages and has a general understanding about higher culture such as arts, food, music. If a client wants to take you out to a Michelin restaurant and to the Opera afterwards, you need to know how to act and carry yourself.
There's no animosity in my circle of escorts, in fact we often work together if a client wants to have a three- or foursome.-
Nothing really to add except that she really had a killer body, all natural and very, very clean and groomed. Perfect nails, brazilian waxed rear and front, laser hair removel on legs, fit body etc. Most of her friends I've seen on other websites do indeed look very classy and not cheap at all.
The Sex
Since this is not a porn sub, I'll spare you the details. Summed up it was a 11/10 experience. Tight body, very clean and perfectly groomed. Basically someone that put a lot of effort and work into making their body the most aesthetic it can be. She was enthusiastic and her performance was great, it's all about what YOU want. Basically you decide what to do and she'll follow orders. Want her to wear a plug or nipple clamps or certain kind of lingerie - no problem she'll do it. Want her to have a landing strip instead of a Brazilian - she got you covered. Solo performance? Yup, she'll be happy to put on a show for you.
So yeah it's just awesome what money can buy you here. Absolutely no comparison to the starfish girls, sleazy clubbers or other damaged goods you find on the regular market.
Summary
One of the most refreshing and best experiences I had with a girl ever. Straight up and no BS. Not worrying about cringey text game before to get her to reply, no weird phone calls afterwards to know what you're up to. Cultured and can hold a convo, won't embarrass you in front of strangers or friends. No worries about pregnancy or other blackmail shit from her part. A girl that you can take to a burger joint as well as to a 5* hotel or a ballet show. Knows to dress and act her part. A lady in the streets and a whore in the sheets.
If I got fuck you money right now, I'd do this every week, you'd never see me looking at regular girls again :). I'm working on that part but until then, just a little reminder that if you're successful there's an alternative to tinder, bargirls or single mothers.
Also fucking sad that nowadays, the escorts seem to be a better catch than their 'normal' counterparts. Just shows you the current state of the market really....
Anyways, hope you found it interesting and if you got any questions, ask away :)
You have an interesting friendship if he buys you an escort.
I can't wait to be rich enough to casually drop a high end escort on my friend as a gift.
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I need to watch this again.
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I think the most important lesson you can learn from this is:
-Have rich friends. Find a way to help them out. Enjoy your life.
Lots of this. I started working at a small law firm and made myself available to my boss whenever. Ended up having drinks a few times and became his sounding board. This turned into him taking me to a big trial. You could say I befriended him.
We're mid-way through trial and he buys me a $2k guitar. Why? Because the money doesn't mean much to him, he knew how much I would appreciate it, and 'we're in this war together'.
Wholeheartedly offer what you've got and you will find someone who appreciates it and has no problem showing you.
Well- the main lesson is actually: spend your time getting fucking rich yourself instead of wasting your time picking up mediocre chicks and get your sex from the pros.
Interestingly enough, I've noticed that it is the guys with 'game' (tall, good-looking, fit, cool, etc) that waste their lives on starfish skanks, while the short ugly guys spend their life making money and enjoy it with high-class escorts. Now I'm starting to think they have the right idea.
I think that's because the short ugly guy's have more motivation to get their shit together financially as a way to get women.
Later down the line...You can not use your game or look to con women into paying for your health benefit....as a 60 years old.
Oh, some guys say that they can do it till they are 80? Si, we have so many example like that (/s)
If women are your motivation in life you will die dissapointed son.
Funny how rich folks don't often have friends that aren't also rich.
Seen this kind of shit happen in some 'old school' style business mentoring.
The young guy being primed for eventual leadership gets enough of a taste of what life could be like to hook in him with the full buy-in. He would be thrown this kind of bone if his performance lined up correctly.
Women are not immune to this either. The Kimmie Belzers of the world are just as easily led and driven - only with them its a Chanel perfumes and designer clothing they could only previously dream about.
yea man that's true friendship right there. it kinda motivates me to hurry the fuck up and get rich so i can try out a 2k an hour girl for myself.
come to montreal. Her rates would be 400-500 per hour here because the market is saturated. This city id quite literally Tits&Wine Metropolis.
They spill over into Alberta and think they're exotic because they're "french".
Bitch you're as European as my ford F250.
i would never spend 2k in pussy. 200$ max its just a prostitute.
Plenty of married men who make 5 digits and get laid 4 times a year are paying more than $2K once you include a decade of alimony.
I like the analogy of using a cheap mechanic, lawyer or doctor... it frequently costs you money.
They're paying WAY more than $2K per before any alimony. Being married is expensive.
I was allowing for the guy making $30K, too... at a certain a mosquito can only get so much blood..........
what does prostitution have to do with marriage alimony though. no one is suggesting to get married, just dont pedestalize pussy
That's probably because you're poor. If you were a millionaire you wouldn't be wasting time with $200 prostitutes.
There's a fine line between poor and millionaire.
We're all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
all prostitues are skilled at sex. and there are pretty girls working for only 200. the luxury ones seem to take that much money because they come to dinners and business travels with you. thats like paying for a girlfriend. beta behaviour in my opinion.
I've never had a prostitute so I wouldn't know. But are you really going to draw the line between having a temporary girlfriend and fucking a cheap used up whore? Which one sounds better?
Serious question based on your name: How drunk where you when you posted that comment?
Not drunk at all, I'm actually trying to stop drinking
Time to have another cake day.
That's kind of the point of the post though.
Avoiding the 'value of money' argument, quality is related to price almost anywhere.
If you're making 7 figures, $2500 is $200.
To each their own. While $2k is a lot (for some), the idea is to have a luxury experience versus the run of the mill prostitute.
For 2k, I would buy a titanium bicycle and ride that bitch for hours. Light, slim and tight with good action under the seat.
im very curious how sex can be luxurious. all prostitutes are skilled at sex. and you can find cheap pretty ones too. i dont wanna judge, but the idea of spending 2k on pussy because its luxury, sound like woman's logic, who spend 7k in hermes bag, because its haute cuture. its just a bag.
Same reason we want luxury cars man. Everyone likes luxury. Well I shouldn't say everyone. But people who like luxury may seek it in many different fashions.
a civic will drive different than a ferrari, however.
If you pulled in $30k/month $2k for an amazing night wouldn't be a problem, would it?
That's because you can't afford to.
not really? I would do the same for a friend if I had the cash, and I know for a fact some of my friends would do the same. Getting a high end escort like that implies that he's in some very wealthy circles, and seeing as how the prostitute in question was very high end, it's not the same as buying some cheap two bit hooker for your boys. It's a substantial gift from a monetary perspective. If the rich werent' ok with fucking high end escorts, there wouldn't be a huge market for it at the current rates
Especially if said friend is married...lolz
the ballbusting that's gonna follow.
Or you could just make it up....
Remember she is a whore. A very expensive and a good one at that.
That is not just about looks. It's is about (as you mentioned) being cultured and interesting to be around for rich men.
That includes being the person they want her to be. Saying the things they want to hear.
Maybe she really does believe everything she says. But all these RP truths she dropped on OP. That is what he wanted to hear. All of what she said was concordant with his beliefs and desires.
A lot of feminine women are like that. Over time, they absorb, take on and defend their man's views. For a successful escort who has many men over the years - this must happen quicker. Making them good at their job and nice to be around.
If you were a 40+ unhappy man with a wife he coudlnt divorce do you think she would have said anything like she said with you? Maybe she would have sympathise with how tough and yet sanctified marriage is, or how its important to think of kids, too make logical decisions on relationships and suck it all up for the future, etc.
Imo she told you what you wanted to hear OP
She is a business woman, arguably an actress by trade, if she is good at what she does OP will have no way of finding out what she really is like.
I would take everything she says and does with a grain of salt.
I agree. Corroborating op's belief that women are not worth long term relationships means repeat business for the girl.
All women are whores. I don't mean it in the insulting sense. But all women offer sex in exchange for financial and/or emotional security. Every man pays to get laid. At least with escorts the terms are transparent and both sides have about the same negotiation power. And it seems they are better at pleasing a man than the average woman. The only thing an escort can't provide is the feeling of masculinity you get when a woman truly desires you. But then again how many women pretend like escorts to be into you just so they can get emotional and/or financial support from you.
You pay for pussy with time or money. Only difference is, you can always make more money. Time spent on pursuing your oneitis though? Complete loss.
But you spend your time making money too.
My choice is : fuck the easier girls (those who aren't so hot but bangable and accept you not taking them for dinner etc). And whenever none of the current plates wants to bang, get a hooker.
And don't work much
If you spend your time making money, you are doing it wrong.
Money can make money by itself. Time is not necessarily required. A passive income stream is one perfect example of money making money without your time commitment.
Yes, spend the time to set up your income stream. But after that, you should only be using money to make more money and nothing else.
Sure man, it's that easy on the internet.
Men don't pay to get laid when they're alpha.
I'd rather her tell me what I want to hear, than bore the shit out of me with garbage I don't care about, followed by a complaint and childish whine. You're paying her for the experience; she delivered.
Of course. But OP was portraying her as a paragon of RP truth. A font of RP wisdom that confirms what he and we believe in.
In actual fact, she likely told him what he wanted to hear to get what she wants. (another rp truth but the point op is making I think)
Too many OP posters forget the most basic rules here:
It's an escort. Who really cares if it's how she feels. It's not an LTR or anything like that. It also sounds like OP will probably not see this escort for a while because she's expensive. Both parties get what they want, so I don't really see the problem.
OP made a post basically saying that this high end escort was a font of RP truths, thus another nail in the coffin, confirming what we believe in.
The post in response was to emphasise to OP and the readers here that no this is not some woman who has suddenly spouted all that we believe, etc. Its just an escort who is telling OP what he wants to hear. Another rp truth but not the point OP was making
Ah. I see. I guess I misunderstood the post.
OP also sounds angry in the post. Bashing nightlife over and over.
You pay for it one way or another..
She's just providing what market lacks in - very hot, femine women that can behave and actually know something about life.
Exactly. OP has fallen into a money trap set up by an attractive whore. He is as far from Red Pilled as a man could get.
that's a pretty heavy accusation considering, if this story is true, that OP got this escort for free and that this honest whore at least had the general maturity to know that she's a whore and then still spit out RP truths even if she's lying. even if she's completely disingenuous (and of course she's disingenuous to some degree), it doesn't undermine OP's point about how refreshing it was to go on a nice date with a woman who wasn't an airhead basic bitch
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? OP never said such things. he had a good time and was surprised that a whore had more class than the vast majority of women these days
I'd be happy to involve ressources and time to a woman of quality, not the dream of a unicorn, not a HB10 but a girl I would be happy with.
But nowadays, going out with an escort or a real girl.
The escort wins, period
That's how fucked up we are ...
Maybe I'm not at the level to really understand this....
But who the fuck buys an escort dinner? Is that part of the deal? Compulsory before the sex so the women don't feel like the prostitutes they are?
I always thought it was sad shits of men who yearned for some female company. Just someone to talk to. But no one else seems to think this is weird....maybe I'm not getting it lol. is this an American thing?
I would assume dinner dates are simply a cultural norm; think 'a date and a movie' as shown in all American movies/RomComs.
OP, did so as a test of the escorts claim of being 'cultured',
One could easily spend an afternoon at a botanical garden, museum or a lake feeding ducks. The options merely being limited by your tastes, conditioning and 'sense of romance'.
Modern day Geisha. Great experience, but I don't know if you can really put stock into what she says. She's still being paid for her time so her answers may be guarded as to not disagree with you. I'm saying she doesn't really feel that way, but her answers could've been exaggerated.
Not to mention she has knowledge of men most women don't have. They're just too self absorbed to think about men like she does. Men are her work. So she'll have to know how we feel and could base her response around that.
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He is asking a person paid Ks per hour what they think about his beliefs. Do you think if he would have asked any other belief or opinion based question that she would have disagreed? I.e if he were to 'subtlety' (again) ask her opinion on politics or religion. With an escort, male or female, one must realise that the high price is for an overall experience, that ultimately, is about the end sexual experience. Hence if the escort were to challenge/oppose/debate your values/opinions/beliefs it would probably detract more from the overall experience, let alone add to it. Decent escorts get paid loadsa $£¥ because they are people with amazing social skills, who also offer sex and also take care of themselves.
Plus that's the viewpoint of a model basically.. Life when she says girls have endless guys a phone call away.. Well, girls hot enough to charge 2000 an hour probably do..
I'm sure guys like Brad Pitt have endless girls a phone call away too
He probably needs a guy just to weed through all the offers he gets.
Men are so pathetic and desperate that even below average chicks have men lined up.
Ask a female friend how easy it is.
Not the same caliper men tho.. Go ahead and ask a female friend..
"But that guys not really attractive!"
Somehow, being with a woman like that is a comforting thought. The fact that someone made it her job to please me makes me feel good.
Or... she's being paid and it makes no difference to her whether she's honest or not.
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lol at the rates she's being paid, it's not just for sex dude. It's for the company and pleasent experience she can provide on top of it. A call girl at her level has to be the entire package and meet all the high standards her clients require. So social ineptitude is not going to fly
lol she wants him to hire her again or to be recommended, of course it makes a difference whether she gives him an enjoyable experience, it's not just about that particular evening.
I had this thought developing as I read through your post and then you nailed it far more succinctly than I could.
Being a respectful, courteous, interesting, feminine lady is apparently now a rare talent worth thousands per hour. (In fairness, I have no doubt that the market is almost as depressing for women seeking a confident, masculine man.)
How far we've fallen...
Fuckin' hell bro, you're gonna send me back into the depression phase. The irony is, I wrote about how we'd become the poorest men in history. I still believe that men want more than mere wealth. We want that feeling of power, admiration, wealth, love, romance, respect etc etc. The alterations in the gender dynamics have made this almost impossible. The young boys growing up now won't just struggle economically, but they're going to struggle culturally, emotionally and intellectually. We've allowed women to implement their race-to-the-bottom style of competition across society so completely that in some areas, the effort and reward are not just unproportional... they're now just suckers games. Just like marriage. Depressing as fuck, but needs to be accepted if you're going to try and play the game.
Just keep nexting till you get the king treatment and then when she stops, repeat.
I keep having an adverse reactions to these posts, that is 'nexting' a girl. Clearly I am not completely disenchanted with the 'happily ever after' tripe.
Yeah me neither. Believe it or not some girls aren't either
If you don’t think you have the blues, just keep living.
I can only speak for the women I know, yes there are rougher ones, bu tthere's also plenty of respectful, courteous, interesting and feminine women. The rare part is all that combined with 'hot as fuck'. Combine the 2 and it's worth 1000's an hour. It's like that today, as it always was and always will be. Well, maybe not with fembots.. who knows what marvelous wonders the future has in store!
Exactly, and now you have the push for "gender diversity" which roughly equates to creating a new field of jobs for people with 'no actual skills'.
Why compete when these braindead fuckers are getting cushy gigs for doing absolutely nothing at all?
That is an interesting way to frame implicit Red Pill goals — perhaps 'philosophy' would be more fitting — into Maslow's Heirachy of Needs.
And this is an example of the extortion modern men have allowed women to create a marketplace for...
women always winning. 1k per hour... seriously?
I resent the insinuation that men ever had control of women. That's actually feminist patriarchal bullshit. Men have always been slaves
By have allowed women to create this market place he means men having just about no standards other than her having a vagina. If we'd just stop fucking whales altogether, guess what, there'd be less whales.
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This is not accepting the world as it is, but getting angry over what you want it to be, this is little more then day dreaming. To day dream about better times is not going to get you anyway. Its good to want, if you want something you go get it. But to be angry about not having something( in this case a world which doesnt match what you want it to be) is what children do. Men look at the world as it is and strive to make it into what ever they desire. Children get mad because things don't go their way. Be a man.
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I'm pretty sure you're agreeing twith me but calling it a disagreement.
I actually don't resent anything in this context. I'm just trying to help other men avoid the idea that men ever had control of women. It's feminist tripe.
Indeed, women control the world in their own way. Thank God they don't use the power they have wisely nor efficiently.
I... it's just I feel that to many of us, we are stuck is this hatred of the world because of the bullshit that surrounds us. It makes me think about when i was stuck at this stage and i felt so helpless to change anything around me. I was blaming everything and i was so so angry. So when I saw your comment it kinda made me go "I need to say something to snap him out of it" You were probably just making an offhanded comment, saying "this is why everything is shit" and what you said is true. So in short, sorry for the shit I gave you. It was unjustified.
This depends. I've found that many, many women exhibit these traits... for a day or two, and they won't be as hot as the escort. Make no mistake, the majority of what she charges comes from her body. If she was your average skinny girl with small tits and a beer pouch she'd be charging a few hundred at best for the same service.
The depressing part for me isn't that these traits are so rare for a night. They're not. Game a girl successfully who's 1-2 SMV points below you and she'll act like this. I've had women offer to pay, be courteous all night, and treat me with respect. The depressing part for me is that after just a few dates it all falls away. Just like with this woman, it's an act meant to elicit money or commitment from you while hiding her true nature.
If you want the respectful, courteous, interesting, and feminine woman, you have to be okay with the fact that you'll never have her for more than 1-2 nights at a time.
Sounds like you have found a market opportunity; an operational owner of a male escort service.
Well they're escorts. They're whatever you want them to be and you'll only ever see the side of them you're actively paying for.
Of course they'll seem like a step up above an actual relationship if you're a stickler against the inevitable negative aspects of actual relationships.
For $8k a day, everyday, for 2 years, Johnny Depp could have saved himself just over a million dollars!
Just say'n boys, count your costs, if you are thinking about getting married.
Buying an escort or decent backpage girl will be cost effective. Plus easier and way cheaper to trade in.
The longer the cheaper obviously. First day $8k, but for two days she charges $10k.
If a client asks her to spend a month in Bora Bora in an ocean front villa, all expenses covered, I assume the pricing won't be as steep.
I understand volume discounts, you missed the full price comparison.
At full price, a famous dude could have saved over a million bucks. My comment is nothing more than evaluation of the monetary cost of marriage, let alone the emotional and physical costs.
Yes, for any wealthy (and famous) guy hiring an escort would be more cost effective than losing 50% of his shit via divorce rape.
Additionally, you have a broader selection of partners at basically no risk since the relationships are purely on a business level so to speak.
Probably the quality would have been better as well.
The long term escort is a sugar baby. Basically a girlfriend for hire.
How dare you compare Sugaring to prostitution. Plus this poor girl was probably TRAFFICKED.
I know, they are all crying inside behind the sunbathe and yacht parties.
They probably cry themselves real tears when they come again and again when getting paid 1000 an hours.
also if you can afford that, you'd probably want a different escort each day. maybe every two days if they give that kind of discount.
Why would you want to trade a perfect 10 that fast? You get to know each other better, have deeper conversations, develope inside jokes, get more comfortable, and sex gets better. After a while, when you want something new, sure, but not that often.
Helps keep the feels away; I would conjecture.
i wonder what she'd charge if a guy said he wanted her for keeps.
A copy of "Pretty Woman" on VHS
LOL. that wasn't a 2k an hour girl though that was just a coke whore, except the movie framed him as the bad guy somehow now that i look back on it. she just got mad at him and left cuz feeelz, despite you know, the fact that he took in some gutter trash and showed her what it's like to feel like a classy lady.
"For keeps" would just turn into a ltr and the usual crap would start. AWALT
Heck, I can see the same girl cuts her rate and ask the question:
"Can I bring friends, too?"
When it rains it pours. That's how you build your harem.
That's assuming women aren't shrewd with any advantage that they posses.
As they say, the cheapest one is the one you pay for.
i just learned 2 days ago where that's from, and you know what, he's right!
$8000 x 365 x 2 == $5,840,000.
Op said there are price discounts: One day $8000, 2 days $10,000 etc. So it's not simply $8000 x 365.
For $8k I would spend many month in Thailand, Japan or some other asian country picking up some hot chicks there. Escorts are freaking expensive, they are echo chambers and they are not including a hunting experience.
Like I said, I would rather go to a place with good hunting conditions then giving up hunting and getting the steak from some overly expensive butcher.
the hunting experience is still a necessary with escorts, but its a different kind of hunt.
To the extent that shopping is like hunting, you would be correct.
Shopping, however, is just the feminine dimension of hunting.
Purchasing the time of a classy escort is enlightening inasmuch as it educates you about the best quality of woman available.
But you would be built as a man by this in an educational sense only. And men must also learn to hunt.
Most escorts are nowhere near 8k. Most are closer to $200/hr or so (for the medium-higher end ones, the cheaper ones start at $60 in the US). Which means for $8k you can get 40 different women.
60 dollars? jesus do i even want to know what they look like or who's been in there before me?
rofl. I literally cracked up. Best to use the 60 bucks in mexico.
on some of their home brewed tacos. none of that taco bell bullshit we're talking some high quality tacos will all the good shit on it.
you just have to not look at the scabs and needle mark.
Oh, and dim down the light if you could.
Those might be law-abiding escorts...
Any action that cheap comes from hoes, not escorts.
That is so expensive though. I don't think I would pay 8k for Rita Hayworth in her prime. Some men are just weird when it comes to women and money.
Wouldn't even be every day. Who has the fucking time?
you're talking like every person on this sub has 8k a day to spend
Are you serious? Yea an $8k a night whore is cheaper than your wife when you only fuck said wife twice a year.. or imagine how broke you'd be if your wife charged you $___ for every blowjob or quickie she gave you...
$2,000 in a hour! I need to become an escort
the catch is that you have to take dick
Thanks for taking the time for this write-up Yamato, a very interesting POV I never thought about. Some great content in here, it is fascinating to me that these girls have it essentially worked to a science, a "career" that is usually thought of as cheap, low budget cock sucking is actually making this girl rich, and is much more then the stereotype.
tbh being feminine shouldn't require this much effort from them but alas..
Are we not making a study on how to be masculine?
true, I don't want to be a hypocrite. I guess nobody taught them the ways, the same as us. or should I say we were all misled because a kid more or less knows a lot of this by default. I guess we're the lucky ones though since we have enough awareness to realize this or at least after coming to this sub, not shun it
https://medium.com/matter/sex-is-sex-but-money-is-money-e7c10091713f
Wow. This blew me away. Not at all what I would have expected. Your friend must have really owed you one too btw.
This really puts the current dating market in perspective. The crazy part is in regular relationships you pay for it one way or another. Reading this begs the question, are you really getting your money's worth? Or if you could attach a dollar sign to your time/energy is it worth it? And to think so many hapless guys stay in sexless marriages and for what?
Her telling about her wealthy married clients was like a sucker punch to the solar plexus. Those guys are crazy successful to be able to afford her and yet their wives can't even put out and they stick around because divorce would be too costly. Their women have them by the balls. It really is a state of affairs we've got ourselves into here boys.
What an amazing date that must have been? I can't imagine what it would be like to go on a date like that, it's never happened for me. There's always the bullshit you have to put up with.
Amazing.
10/10.
Love this post.
This is why I damn near feel like King Kong bc of my current wife. She is from Eastern Europe (like out in the villages) so isn't tainted like crazy YET.
Actually tries really hard to take care of herself and is still very traditional role woman. I of course work out like a fiend as well as make good money and compliment her femininity so we have a good dynamic.
With my previous long term women pre-current wife it was turning into 100% what you and OP are saying about women. They let themselves go and try to stick their tentacles into your bank account with whatever tools possible to control you. It was even pre red pill for me but somehow I managed to figure out enough of this shit on my own before I actually married any of these slags.
I worked a job with a group of Eastern European college kids a while back here in the US on J-1 visas. I agree the women from Eastern Europe are pretty traditional and the guys are RP as fuck. Traditional gender roles everywhere. That's where it's at. About the only time I felt like I was part of a legit brotherhood was when I was hanging out with those guys. Miss that man. It's hard to find in this day and age. RP bros or gals.
I'm from the US, the dating scene is pretty fucked here. An RPW is akin to a unicorn. Someday I may have to spend some time over there...
You guys dont know the difference between traditionalism and Red Pill.
Indeed.
Damaged, feminist women produce "red pill men" produce more damaged, more feminist women.
Traditional sociosexual behavior is a totally different animal entirely.
I feel like my marriage is similar to yours. Great for now.
Do you also feel like you're sleeping with a hand grenade with the pin pulled out?
Doesnt matter how a girl was raised. 1 year of American or Western European betas begging to eat her ass will turn any woman into a cunt.
Great post and agree with everything except one thing:
Thats because youre only looking at the 8s+
In my country the wallflowers sometimes are caring feminine and non-toxic. Sadly just like women are ruined nowadays, men all expect a model girlfriend who is a virgin, which in this day and age is near impossible.
That was something I also noticed in the post. Frankly, of course escorts like her are better than most women bc if they weren't, who'd pay? It's just the sheer contrast between her and the average hot babe that is sad.
in this day and age, I don't think any woman below 40 can escape the media indoctrination unless raised by a very strong father figure.
Thanks for your perspective.
In my country, the escorts are a better catch than the "normal" girls, and the statement rings loudly true.
I can't think of one women past 30 that I could tolerate to live with. 0. All my friend's marriages are insufferable and I would seriously contemplate suicide if I were in their shoes. All these girls span the full range of women so even if you do find one, your chances are slim that she will remain great.
The real summary here is:
A hooker agreed and amplified my beliefs to make me feel mentally good before she actually fucked me.
You got played, this woman deals with plenty of men whose heads she is used to manipulating, nothing new.
I've gotta agree with this guy, she's being paid to ensure you have a good time. She's not going to do/say anything to put you in a different mood.
I do have a question .. What's a "starfish girl?"
Lays there and doesn't move while you screw her. A starfish doesn't move.
It just lays their with it's arms and legs spread, probably bored, or possibly hating you with her vagina.
Some women, japanese for example, dont know how to do anything else but starfish -even if they are enjoying the sex.
I always wondered if it would help to pop a thumb up her ass?
Apparently in Japan men prefer "teaching" women during sex, and women are expected to appear inexperienced
A girl who lays in bed like a starfish, passively, leaving the man to do all the work.
Her passivity in the experience extends beyond the bedroom (e.g. during conversations, she expects you to make the conversation fun).
A girl who lays on the bed like a starfish during sex because she's disinterested/unaroused/can't be bothered trying.
Gee .. where can I find a starfish girl ..
In the 2nd year of some marriages.
Or by the 2nd trimester whichever comes first.
Damn. That morman girl story just depressed me. Feel sorry for that poor shlub who married her.
Knowledge is free and accessible to everyone unless you live in North Korea (or somewhere similar). No sympathy from me.
true, but If i hadn't stumbled upon TRP I would be just as oblivious as everybody else. I got lucky
He... found out about the incident. And married her anyway. I hope you mean "feel sorry for the guy so indoctrinated he falls for this slut anyway."
In some sense, I do still feel sorry for the plugged-in, but on the other hand... TRP is right here. And I'm sure we all share an experience just like mine: friend is being raked over the coals by some slut bitch, tell him about TRP, wait 48 hours, ask about it, "all that alpha/beta bullshit? retarded stuff. not for me."
You can only feel sorry for someone so much before you need to realize they're lost and like it that way. Some people create hell in order to live in it.
it's hard to step out of the prison you've developed and lived in over the years
Yes, shared a similar experience. They picked up a copy of one of male "Rational Male" books I happened to be reading. Say the phrase "avoid the Beta" in the index put down and called it garbage. If it were a friend or associate who did his I wouldn't hesitate to cut them lose. It's another when it's your older brother. The blue pill runs deep in those latched to fantasy. It really does.
The sub definitely goes overboard with the lingo - seems a bit echo-chambery. Plus much of the content is "edgy" and there's a lot of posturing here. I could definitely see people getting turned off by the average "women are bad" and "this chump tried to AMOG me" posts.
Sound like the story of "O"
It's recommended TRP reading.
Is it in the sidebar or in the book of pook? I've read all the material but I don't remember a O, unless I just forgot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_O
I like the summary. The sad part is, it's about as unrealistic as Germany being a powerful nation someday.
Hmmm story of O .... a good girl that becomes a fuck toy which becomes her life.... Mormon girl becomes fuck toy which gives some sob story to a beta cuck then lives happily ever after thanks to some religious hamstering.
The only difference is the Mormon guy didn't escape the religious BP indoctrination which allowed the whore to manipulate him with his dick. Even if he discovered TRP today, he's in alimony / child support hell. Poor sap.
It is a BDSM porn novel. Great read.
right i was like what the fuck, aren't mormons supposed to be like a step off from being amish.
Thanks for the report. Didn't read any of what the girl said because women lie, hamster, mislead and manipulate. Listening to women talk about men, women or dating is harmful to your masculine outlook due to its inherent dishonesty.
Shame it costs $8k to have such a great experience though.... how will this affect the rest of your life? More confident? Less? Will you be happy with normal girls ever again?
There is no way in hell he will ever be happy with a normal or less than 8/10 ever again. Girls like this go exclusively to the wealthy and upper class rich, to be real, there are no normal girls like her available to him, or most men.
This is not a bad thing
Yes it is. Its cruel, and showcases just how different the value of existing is for men and women. A Beautiful 8+ out of 10 woman has such an easy life and walks around with such attention and value, it really shows how worthless and disposable society sees men. And in our society, cunts like this with life on the easiest mode available will walk around screeching about how shes oppressed and how the attention she gets and how desired she feels are abuse. Being treated as if you have no value at all is being oppressed, seen as less than human.
This though. Whore are just smart sluts. Instead of giving sex away freely with the hope/illusion of getting commitment back these high class bitches use men for their ends and allow men to use them for theirs.
Remember this gentlemen, your high school ex who's doing coke in the bathroom of some club whilst getting hammered by strange cock will always be of lower value than a whore.
Sluts hide their shit value while Whores are honest about who they are. You will be surprised how honest these women can be and what a relief this is in a world where every sluts lies about being a 10/10.
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Wow.. Very interesting. I need a rich pal to hook me up
How about making money yourself?
Im self sufficient and make decent money for a 25 year old but nowhere near the ability to drop 8k on anything Unnecessary
You just said you need a rich pal to hook you up.
If you want a high-quality woman, who not be a high-quality man and do what it takes to get there?
Definitely man. I'm on my way on that path.
The thing that sticks out is what women are really capable of if they are motivated and are actually interested in what men like.
Here we are devoting significant time trying to figure out what they want in order to have positive encounters. And the plain truth is that they just don't really give a shit about what we want without being motivated by significant amounts of money and power. That's reality, gentlemen.
The only way to get around that price is to really learn the dark arts in order to capture and own a woman's mind. Or threaten them with death like it's Saudi Arabia, ha.
Seems a little pricey too me. With money to spend like that I'd just have a couple superficial relationships going.
I find this disappointing. Its disappointing that men today are so fucking thirsty that this is even an option. Turn the clock back 150-175 years and this wouldn't even remotely be the case.
However, I think she's viewing this through the prism of youth and beauty, which she obviously has according to /u/yamato403.
I doubt she'll have that same attitude in 15 years. I suspect she herself will be married to one of these "clients", but the non-escorts she knows won't be, and she'll be hearing about how "No men in my age group want to be married, this is a huge problem!"
This is just your wishful thinking. The vast majority of women end up finding someone to marry and when they get tired of him they divorce him and he get owned by the courts.
Women are just better at the game than most men are - thats why they win.
They're not better at the game, the game has been massively rigged against men in the past 100 years.
haha its "rigged" because women know how to play but men don't.
Interesting that you found a woman that one could describe as being in the "Wife Zone" and she happens to be a 2K an hour escort.
Seriously fuck feminism. It has turned the modern young woman into drunken, drug-addled, bar slut trash Lena Dunham wannabees. Then as men, while still bearing the burden of expectation, we collectively have to either sift though the detritus of the 20-something landscape of women trying to find that one diamond or wait until they start fading and decide they are finally ready to attempt respectability.
At the end of the day, if we are honest with ourselves, we see that as a losing game either way we go. So what is our choice? Stay bachelors and become narcissists ourselves? Seems not such a great conciliation.
Wouldn't it be great if you could find a woman of such quality who cared that much for herself and for you - for the sake of love - having it be a sacred bond and not the cruel irony of 8 grand for a just a night of it that any other man of equal means could have.
Then you would be able to show all the devotion and love to a woman they believe they deserve. The kind of love as a man you want to give and experience without participating in a game of liar's dice.
And they wonder why The Red Pill is a personal philosophy of unavoidable nihilism...
Really though, this is the best time in history to be a man in the western world.
Work out, become mildly successful, and the women just roll in.
You should be on your knees thanking feminism my friend. Women are sluttier now than at any point in history, except for maybe Sodam and Gomorrah.
Once you reach critical bitch-mass it becomes easy to rid yourself of your one-itis tendencies.
Been there - have the war stories. Was a kid in the candy store - with deep pockets and all the candy was pussy.
I don't know what my body count is, I couldn't even venture to guess.
I got into my mid 30s and my perspective began to change. It was at that point where having that one woman of quality to love me and have my back for life became a desirable notion (however elusive of a thing that is to acquire).
Before then my definition of good pussy was "New Pussy".
So I guess there is declining utility in everything.
I don't disagree that its the best time in western history to fuck slutty whores - because they are everywhere.
But dude, slutty whores are slutty whores. After a while I wasn't turned on by slutty whores as much anymore, I was getting disgusted by them - fucking dime a dozen bitches. Seeing women be total creeps with zero self worth made them gross to me.
Then you're just going from shallow slutty whore to shallow slutty whore to shallow slutty whore.
Granted, that life seems to be the one lived of lesser evils, but it still kind of sucks IMO.
Agreed. In the larger scheme of things we're not hard-wired to live this way either. Eventually every man wants to settle down with the right woman. They are a dying breed in today's day and age.
There comes a time in every Alpha's life when it's more trouble than it's worth to keep plates spinning and he's looking for more from a woman and out of life.
It really is amazing what a pile of crap modern women have become. How hard is it to be thin, feminine, and happy? I guess nearly impossible it seems.
It depresses me that there are no real interesting women available anymore or that the few borderline girls get alpha widowed by all the TRP chads.
Feels weird thinking she seems more interesting than most tinder girls
for 2k an hour she has to be interesting. men are paying her top doller for an 11/10 experience, and if she didn't deliver she would be another coke whore.
Why wouldn't she be ? "Whore" is not another gender. She's still a woman, allowed to be interesting. In fact, she's paid to be.
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You have obviously never dealt with a lady of the night before. Women go their entire lives learning how to lie to, and manipulate men. Women of the night (strippers and high-end hookers) are the creme of the crop. Grand masters of seduction and manipulation. Unless you are like top 1% of emotional intelligence she will game you every single time.
It doesn't work on me because I don't care about talking, I just wanna fuck and go.
I have actually never paid to get laid so you may be right.
Ive been with about 35 normal chicks and probably about 10 hookers, from Eastern Europe to Thailand.
My favorites have still been long term GFs. BUT, every single hooker was more pleasant to be around than the AVERAGE normal girl Ive actually gotten with. Now thats a sad statistic about the state of normal girls today.
I think she played you like a violin.
Damn that's a lot of money for a whore!
I used to have a phase where I was spending $300 an hour on hookers. I did that about five times. Now I just drive down to Tijuana and screw cute Mexican girls for $15. I have sex with three girls on average when I go down and the whole trip costs me around $60.
The sex can vary from starfish to Dios Mio!
This part really bugs me. The game is completely stacked against men. I would love to give up hookers and just have sex with "normal" girls, but there is so much competition for them and I'm almost always overlooked.
No I'm not fat or ugly. Yes I have a workout plan.
I've actually been wanting to do this for a while. Head down to Tijuana and see what the fuzz is all about after some shitty, overpriced backpage experiences. Do you have any tips?
Heh, I've been there. I've found the trick to avoiding these is to 1) look up reviews for the escort you're interested in, 2) use a service like Preferred411 or 3) use established escort agencies in your area to avoid shitty experiences.
As for me I'm in a phase where I drop $150 to $200 an hour for an escort every month or so. I use an agency I like so I'm almost never disappointed. Unfortunately two of the girls I see regularly appear to have left the business (sucks because one of them was cute and always stayed much longer than I asked her to) and another (who also usually stays longer than I pay her for) is hard to get a hold of, so I'm looking for a new girl I can hit up when I'm in a pinch.
Solid advice, thanks. I always Google their phone number to see if it'll pull up their "the erotic review" pages and tend to avoid the ones who don't. I've never thought of using an agency, maybe that's why I've had such shitty experiences.
Sorry for the late reply.
It's actually really simple.
Park near the boarder. I prefer the lot behind the Jack in the Box, though it's a 30 min wait to park.
Walk through Mexican customs, bring your passport. Keep walking to you get to the street and hail a taxi, they are everywhere. Tell the driver you want to go to Hong Kong.
Hong Kong is a strip club/brothel. Every girl there is available for banging $60-80 and ~$10 for the room.
The best value is the girls outside. Just walk around the block and also go up the hill and you'll see girl after girl standing outside all trying to get your attention. Almost all girls are available for $20 and a $5 room fee. The quality of the girls ranges from why are they bothering to hot.
I went there on Sunday and I had sex with two girls. One cute, and the second was probably the hottest woman I've ever had sex with, and she was actually cheaper than the first girl.
Basic tips:
Everything is actually cheaper if you pay in Pesos. There are ATM "closets" on the street that dispense Pesos. A girl and room could be $30 and only 20 Mexican Pesos.
While outside don't talk to anybody that isn't a girl or a food vendor. Don't let the promoters outside encourage you go into their bar or club. The only club worth anything is Hong Kong.
Once you're done you can take a taxi back to the line, or walk 10 minutes to the overpass.
3 at once? Holy shit, epic. Even if it's back to back I probably can't do more than 2 a night. 1 romp fest is usually more than enough. I'm thinking of doing it too. Anything to get away from here.
Hah, not at once. Just three different girls with about a 10-20 minute break between them.
The last time I went I miscalculated the amount of money I needed to spend and only had enough for two girls. I also went really late at night and was getting tired.
If I go in the afternoon I usually do three girls before I leave.
Condoms or...?
I'm curious.
If you don't wear a condom with a hooker, you're a fucking idiot. Unless she brings in a clean STD test dated yesterday, double wrap that shit.
From my experience they do not require that. Personally I don't think I'd want to pay 8k go use a condom.
That makes sense, however as was said below... checkups are one thing but you have to make sure your client doesnt have any. Are clients required to be tested beforehand?
I was, it probably depends on the service though. I get myself tested regularly anyways, so it wasn't much of a hassle.
I'd use a condom anyways. No orgasm id worth that risk.
No risk involved, at least from my source. Not sure what kind of ghetto escort you use.
It's called being an adult. Your escort being "high class" doesnt mean shit. You wanna leave your health up to a complete stranger? Be my guest. Shit, you're trying to defend a 5% chance of getting sick at no additional benefit.
There's a 0% chance, because I know the escort service and everyone in it. I wouldn't leave something up to chance, being an adult doesn't mean being paranoid all the time and lessening your enjoyment out of life because of it. It's more about putting in the extra work buidling relations and business reliance to the point where if an escort did screw me over for whatever reason, she'd be out and the company would be losing more than a customer, they'd be losing a powerful acquaintance. I don't deal with the escorts, I deal with management and there's no reason for me to distrust them and no reason for me to miss out on a more intimate experience. If I want to pull out and get a blow job in the middle of sex, I don't want a condom on. If I want to lube up and put it in her ass, I don't want a condom on and I especially don't want to be working around a condom to do all the above. I'm not dumb enough to leave acquaintances strangers and leave them open to screwing me over. I'm sorry you can't develope relationships like I can. If you just pay people, they see you as an outlet for cash, but if you create reliance and value, you get a lot more. Take my advice, don't let people be strangers in your life, no matter who they are, force them to have reliance on you in one way or another. You'll go farther, be more secure and enjoy life the way you want to.
I see. Good advice, I'll take it to heart.
This is something I struggle with, how do you go about making people subtly rely on you?
Fucking hell man quality post.
But reading this makes me kind of depressive. I have a nice rotation going on with legit good looking girls but they dont live up to this. No matter what there is always some kind of entitlement bs or some drama going on.
Makes me think I should just get fuck you money like you said and just enjoy quality company with no BS as you described in this way... From a rational perspective this does feel like a solid decision but at the same time I cant get rid of the feeling of it just being extremely low tier to have to pay for a woman. On the other hand, maybe it is just what the world has become...
While this is an awesome experience, and one that I would love to have someday, I think it would have been wasted on me.
I have this thing where to get truly turned on, I have to feel like the girl is legitimately turned on by me. Maybe that's BP residue, but I truly value the accomplishment of owning the girls mind as much as her pussy. That's what I usually hold on to after the experience.
It's weird, when I feel a girl is only mildly into me I get somewhat nervous and feel put off by the possibility that I will disappoint her somehow.
I would probably end up on the "date" with this escort and start trying to get into her mind somehow. Obviously that wouldn't work with a girl like this, but I would want / need to feel like I broke through her facade. Not sure what that's about but I have an inherent disgust with phoniness.
I realize that's validation seeking, but as someone alluded to, I think it's probably like the difference between the experience of catching and eating a king salmon versus being served going to the store and buying it.
Ultimately you are still eating, but for me the thrill of catching it is the most lasting experience.
That's no BP thinking at all. Making a woman desire and submit to you is the only way how a heterosexual male can obtain his masculinity. You can lift, dress well, have a large social circle. Doesn't matter if you aren't able make her wet. It's the best feeling in the world to fuck a woman who is crazy for you.
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lol. so true. 2.5k is ridiculous.. omg, give me a break. some betas paying this shit and paying the restaurant bill cause she can shave her snatch any which way you want. this is a terrible deal.
So through a really weird coincidence this girl I knew professionally quit her job and just started traveling the world - I couldn't figure out how because she was fuck all broke. She is stunningly attractive, though.
When I broke up with my ex I ended up inviting this girl on a whim to a party I was hosting. She showed up, looked amazing, and I'd always wanted to fuck her (had a girlfriend when I met her) so I did.
Fast forward a month, decide I want to fuck her again, and she does all the things this girl does (less charge me any money) - dress up how I want, be where I want, do what I want, fuck how I want to fuck etc.
Come to find out she is a high end escort. That's how she is taking these trips all over the world. She only sees a few clients a month, most are married, and they're all very wealthy (she charges a few hundred an hour). She would prefer to just see one and live a 'sugar baby' life style.
She's one of the most level headed women I've ever met when it comes to RP topics. There is no game with her - she understands the real interactions between men and women.
I still fuck her every couple weeks.
there is always game. you may not be able to see it but it's there.
Yes, but the game with this girl is all above board and obvious. She likes me because I'm dominant, socially and sexually. The game is me controlling her, punishing her fucking her and so forth.
why do you think rich businessmen and celebrities go for these type of escorts.. it's headache free and straight to the point. my friend back in nyc balls hard and gets escorts like that regularly. pretty much the experiences that op described is the norm with women like that. there's no bullshit and worth every dime.
Thanks for this report. This woman provided a perfect few hours for you as a highly professional entertainer - performer. But it was an act really, she doesn't really care about you and is doing exactly the same thing with another guy the next night. It is really just a variant of women dangling their charms to get what they want from men, with not a whole lot of sincerity.
A lot of comments here, but I can hope you can answer. How old is she?
The only thing is that you are literally paying her to hear what you want to hear. She says it...but does she mean it? Never trust what a woman says, only trust what a woman does. Either way, I'm sure it was an enjoyably experience.
The whole time I read this post I was thinking "who doesn't know that a top priced whore would be an awesome experience?". Seriously though nothing he said should surprise anyone at all, least of all here.
This is pretty much the only time you can get the truth from a woman, when she knows it won't affect her reputation and she's going to benefit regardless. She could afford to drop the pretense and admit RP truths.
I knew a guy who had serious 'fuck you' money because of his parents that did this. He still wasn't happy though, even if he appeared to enjoy it. It's just not the same if they don't genuinely desire you, even if they're good at faking it. Fucking 10's is great, but there's always going to be a lingering feeling of emptiness if you're incapable of actually drawing in women yourself.
If it took $2k for You to get a girl to not nag and provide sex without bitching ; then The rest of us - We are all fucked with our valueless girlfriends .
if you are not alpha chad or if you don't enjoy pointless sex, seems you are fucked nowadays
Escorts are one of the most honest people with great insight in to social dynamics.
Btw, can you upload a picture of her somewhere? Need to re-read this with her body in my mind. :) Mask the face if you're worried.
the funny thing is women hate escorts like her because she is 100% honest about women while having better game than regular women on top of it. regular women need to lie to men to get a relationship and resources while she's getting wealthy guys to pay her for her time because she's good at making them feel good. most women make a guy feel like shit to be anywhere near her.
"Men lie more but women are more manipulative." What this hot chick in Miami I was talking to straight up said, though I may disagree with the first part.
What kind of lies and manipulation was she referring to? I don't see men lie a whole lot, besides fishing stories.
Jesus, where are you finding these women? Is this really your only experience with them? My god, that's tragic dude. Just tragic... Clearly you really need to just find a nice , honest girl. You have to remember that women get lied to constantly, you think they believe half the bullshit that comes out of your mouth when you're on the pull? And just how straight up honest are you with them? You make all your intentions clear? How you view them? How much you value them, or more likely the lack of value you place on them? Think they'd still be interested after you make your true feelings towards women known? Or is it just some women?
Pony up some answres son. ;P
Edit: Spellin' an' shit...
Edit 2: I see you downvote me, but no-one will engage me? I am unsurprised...
So...just wait. The right girl is going to find you someday. You are just bitter because you have been hurt by women but not all women are like that.
What exactly is there to engage? These arguments are nothing new and most of us are sick of it.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you weren't directly answering me there...
You really don't get it? I summarized your argument. Try reading it again.
To summarize you're basically saying:
"NAWALT, hold out and find your nice little unicorn. She's out there somewhere"
Almost makes me suspect that you're a woman spreading delusions.
No, not a woman here. I'm a guy. But I hate to break it to you, not all women are the same. Are all men the same? Not even close. So why would all women be the same, bearing in mind they're the same genus? And do you honestly think that you're better than another human being simply based on gender? That's a little arrogant.
Of course there are nice women out there, there's roughly 3.5 billion of them, you're telling me that all of them are the same? Was your mum the same? How restricted a pont of view is that? I've met some unicorns in my life, but I've also met some cunts. It's the same both sides. Do all men act like they should to the opposite sex? No, they don't. Do all women? No, they don't either. So, it's time to change the mindset and start judging people on an INDIVIDUAL basis. Because until you do, you're not going to find your unicorn either.
And did you ever think that your attitudes and way of thinking might actually proclude you from meeting them? Time to look internally folks, you might realise that you're part of the problem...
Edit: At least StoicCrane is openning a dialogue instead of just downvoting. So, cheers for that at least.
In terms of personality, personal history, hobbies, etc on the surface level women appear to be different and vary from one another. I understand what you mean by this but from a sexual standpoint all women acquiesce to their hypergamous instinct.
All women follow the pluristic strategy of securing the best genes available while at their most sexual viable and switch to seeking the best providers after their window of attractiveness closeses on hitting the wall. It's reality, it's nature.
We refer to the ideal "happily ever after female" here as unicorns because in actuality they're pure fantasy. They don't exist. In the slim prospect that even if one did happen to exist statistically speaking over 99.9999% of the women you meet are just like all the others. AWALT exists to protect men from the delusion of oneitis or wasting time searching for that "special one" in a haystack of hypergamy.
Edit: Revised and deleted the phrase "finding that special one.."and replaced it with the phrase "waste time searching for that.." for poignant effect.
No one will engage because they don't feel like typing the simple response many of us would have. Yes, I do not enjoy the company of most women. The ones I have thought have had potential only get worse over time. There you go.
Maybe have a crack at dating guys then. Or just don't date at all. This shit is not difficult to work out.
She has a point, but I think she is only thinking of what life is like for girls like her and her social circle. The escort in the OP is young and hot, so yeah she has tons of men after her. But what % of women are both young (late teens to 20s) and hot? Its probably less than 5% of women who possess both traits simultaneously, probably closer to 1-2% of all women who are both young and hot at the same time. A big part of what drives men to MGTOW is refusing to be a BB after women like that hit their 30s and 40s, their looks fade and they want to siphon off huge amounts of cash from some clueless, thirsty guy.
Point is, what a woman whose SMV (but not RMV obviously) is in the 99th percentile does and says is not totally applicable across the board.
She's only talking about girls who are 9-10's and very young ( 18-25 y.o)
She doesnt know what the fuck she's talking about basically . This escort is really not that different from an AWALT. She doesnt realize that her youth is the only factor that is determining her career. Her looks will exponentially fade to a point where it isnt fair .
Look how far Pamela Anderson has fallen. This girl will be just like her .
Women dont know shit about men and how men see them . Once they realize they are wrong about men they turn bitter and angry . Sorta like the anger phase that redpill men go through. This is why you never waste your time with women over the age of 30 .
If men before the age of the Internet had all redpill knowledge , this western society would've never existed.
The bluepill was needed to built the western world as we know it .
I agree. She will take the lessons she learned from being a hot woman in her 20s, not realize that only 2% of women at any given time are both hot and in their 20s and as they get older they will become bitter because they never thought the party would end.
When she hits her 40s, lets see if there are still an endless line of wealthy beta bucks willing to marry her. She will get very angry when she finds out she can't get guys like that anymore because the high SMV guys are chasing girls 20 years younger than her, and I'm sure she will blame men and society at large.
It's also much harder to keep a man than to seduce him. So hot, young women can get men easily, but that power fades in time. Those men mostly want to have fun, nothing serious. Men are harder to keep for a long-term relationship or marriage.
My impression is that a lot of the unhappy men that the escort in the OP describes are men who hooked up with hot young women, and as their looks faded they had nothing left but their personality which they never had to work on because they could always rely on their looks. When you have no carrots to keep a man, you rely on sticks.
What the actual motherfuck!
I thought not even Top pornographic whores took more than $5k, and that is for anal, pussy, ATM, deepthroating, choking, puking and rimming 3 mandingos at the time, while 2 asians take pictures, video and VR of you and 1 jew keeps fucking with your daddy issues on camera.
Tell me a thing that has inflated more than the price of pussy!
So, what's this bitch'z number?
Noooooope. I love the game and women, sounds like you love yourself a sex robot. And who gives a fuck if your girl is "cultured" lmfao much classy so high
Of course women slut shame like MoFos. Sluts devalue the "pussy monopoly".
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If men were smart we would pussy-beggar shame, but very few of us are smart enough to realize what our real enemy is.
I'm not buying the friend story at all. You paid for the girl yourself and too embarrassed to admit it.
I'm a little skeptical as well.
Doesn't stand up to logic. If her former client requested a full Brazilian, and a week later you request a landing strip? Not possible. Waxed hair doesn't grow back that quickly, son.
Great read. I agree, slut shaming is done by women.
There's a meme going around about how prosititution is illegal because "men want women to be always freely available." LOL. No, it's because women want to use sex to control men.
So really, the perfect date/gf experience but unfortunately she's a mercenary.
Maybe I have a one-sided view being a guy, but if a woman were to put just as much effort in her life, from the culture to the health to the properness of no shit test and punctuality; wouldn't she herself have a better experience of her own life?
Food for thoughts for everyone.
Second thought, aside from the mercenary aspect, she's the female version of the basic principles of TRP:
take care of your physical body by eating right and hit the gym
cultivate your mind
practice your passions (this aspect was not revealed about her in this post)
follow the career of your dreams (this aspect was not revealed about her in this post)
relationships are incidental in your life, a nice accessory, not the main goal.
Good post OP.
lol at the mormon whore in the UAE. I wonder how her husband even found out about that. Disgusting
It sounds like due to her work she actually had to improve herself. That's ironic given the normal mindset of career women and her industry, but makes sense. She gets the dynamic and plays her part like a pro.
I don't doubt the quality sex. I briefly dated a former model/burlesque dancer/ Hugh end escourt who was one of the fittest, best maintained women I've ever slept with. She came multiple times every session and knew how to have fun. It was literally a workout fucking her, but it actually felt real. Unfortunately she was a single mother and was trying to get over a drug problem, among many other red flags. She lied a lot and told the truth afyer, no doubt because she knows how most people would react if she told them her history, and I simply didn't trust her as a result. Moreover I also saw a lot of BP behaviors in her (and she mentioned her therapist saying she wasn't classified as BP anymore at one point so that's two strikes right there, ironically).
Truth is I still think about her from time to time, she was that good. But I couldn't risk getting close because Of thise issues and she bailed fairly quickly, likely because it was clear I wasn't going to play her game.
A very sad pill to swallow. thanks for sharing it
in 10 years many couples will come out and admit they met via an escorting service.
its really nothing new and older than time itself.
You sound like you caught feels and fell in love. She was just humoring you, man.
No matter how cultured or insightful she is, at the end of the day she's still a whore.
Nice post. Was talking to a girl a while ago, my brother's friend. Conservative girl from a conservative family. Her first question after all BS: "Where do you work?". Needless to say nexted her.
mark passio had a great quote, of how instead of "where do you work" women should be asking "do you know right from wrong". idk if she was necessarily bad though it's just a global cultural thing for a woman to ask a man about his job, you could have turned it around on her.
Way out of my price range.
Pussy isn't worth anything like that to me.
Geez... most all my pussy was free. Seriously. I haven't paid significant amounts of money to any women my whole life for anything.
It would be hard for me to even imagine doing it now... at 55.
My reputation is for being really cheap.
You don't need money to get sex... that's the Alpha mindset... you are their prize.
That said... you probably do get the more attractive one's this way.
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For the girls it's a job.
And they give a great performance... but aren't into it.
The Chad Thundercock guy with tattoos and a drug habit get them excited.
The real Alpha (think a Donald Trump) do neither.
Some of the cost of these sugar babies are ridicuolous. If i was going to spend 5k a month on her, I'd just lease a yacht and have her and 5 of her friends butt naked for free and I could go fishing with my buddies. 8k, just buy a bike. You'll get way more enjoyment and poon for free with a little game.
The cost of pussy should be based on all possible options.
The "easy" way is the direct purchase of a service, but it tends to cost more in the short term.
Damn, I worried about the fact that the lasik repair surgery in munich costs 3k € additional to the 2k € I spend for the original procedure in frankfurt that fucked my dim light vision.
"Oh my god, this crap will ruin me! I will end up broke soon if I spend my money like this!"
Other guys spend $8k for a day with some random hoe.
That makes me feel much better.
Yeah... there are a lot of ways to spend your money.
But I think when you are one of these Dark Triad types that can't seem to get their internal Frame "cleaned up" they go through life having to act out to feel anything. They will need these outrageous situations to feel alive.
My younger brother works at a Casino and every once in a while you get a guy with tons of money but internal demons. I recall him telling me about a guy that showed up wanting to be a "big shot" and they would cater to his every wish as long as he spent money. They even allowed him to masturbate in the Casino in front of everyone because he paid out so well.
In the end he lost all his money then committed suicide.
Its not just about pussy in this case though, its about something much rarer. A night with an actual charming and feminine girl, without any bullshit.
She is feminine because she is getting paid to play the part.
It's like a virtual reality.
Could we even say "fantasy fulfillment"?
We can say that. It's just funny that the fantasy is essentially a decent date without bullshit. If girls had to try to get guys this is how they would act all the time. She's basically a professional girl, and can charge thousands because of how much better she is relatively.
In the old days such behavior would have been ordinary as all the women honestly wished to become good wives.
Thank goodness for Child Support Laws and Divorce Rape... we get so many more degenerate sluts to fuck. (sarcasm)
Yes... quality in females is at an all time low.
Saw a TRP post on all for the first time. Must've tweaked their algorithm
This was beautifully written bro, i enjoyed reading this.
How should one act in those places?
Apparently you need to know which fork to use.
I would take everything she said with a grain of salt.. Being a hot woman there is a chance that her life has been different then the average woman..
It's like asking a NBA star for relationship advice..
2.5k for 2 hours? Holy shit, pricy. I think the going rate for a good escort is like 600 bucks to get your rocks off for a HB8-10. Ok, even better, take 1k, go to brasil and spend 1.5k on 5 HB10s. But if you are really rich, I guess it doesn't matter and the high price just ensures quality.
This is the key to the whole experience.
That is basically every person who starts on married red pill. She absolutely nailed it.
Only $100,000 a year if you do it once a week and you can beat that price by a lot if you lease one.
Pretty interesting read considering the fact that I can't sleep, 7/10 entertainment. Thanks for sharing.
Damn 8k? Wth am I going to school for, I'll just become a gigolo even if make 1/8 what she makes, that's crazy.
Careful lol I got addicted to 500 dollar an hour escorts like that, it's really easy to just have them become your normal trip to poon town.
They're also crazy normal, I dated one for a week or two before my self esteem got the better of me and I stopped talking to her.
These are the kind of things a man simply can't afford if he wants to retire at 30 with $500,000 in savings (or live off-the-grid). You'll have to forsake the joy of banging hookers.
oh my god thats so insanely expensive, fuck that.
I laughed so hard at this. Great content by the way.
At the end of the day, I hope you didn't appear to her like a militant feminist paying for overpriced company of the opposite sex.
The sexual market place becomes clearer when we can quantify experiences and opportunities with dollars. I point to 2 lessons learnt. 1/ The attractive well balanced, tick in most boxes woman is a commodity worth $8k thousand/day to a beta bux. 2/ this experience is unavailable to you because you are not the man who can substitute that cash with their alpha aptitudes and traits. Yes that woman is a rare animal. Rarer still is the man that can have her without a cash payment. All relationships are transactional. Every body pays to be associated with others. Everybody except the lost boys at the bottom who have no other choice but to mutually delude themselves about the human social game. Every body pays. Every man will either pay with, personal self investment, Immediate cost, future cost or experience opportunity cost. Their is no sincere relationship without acknowledging the burden of performance of that relationship. The insincere relationship is the one in which you are motivated out of love. What is love? It is manipulation, natural, chemical, ruthless, uncaring manipulation of a being for the purpose of getting them to act outside of their self interest.
I think of lot of the whole "negging" psychological manipulation to get laid is just bullshit the men perpetrate to each other. What it really boils down to is just being physically attractive and not being a fucking total weirdo. Every time I go out with the intention of getting laid, I meet a girl and I have a completely natural conversation with her. I don't neg or do any "tricks". We just talk about stuff or do fun things. Because I know we both know the sex is already going to happen, it's just a matter of when and where. I don't feel the need to manipulate her into fucking me.
Anyway, everything you listed here my girlfriend does for me for free. It's not impossible. I would have bought a car with that $8000 "your friend" spent.
This is because your natural style of conducting yourself probably includes subtle negs and all the other PUA techniques but organically, without realising it. This stuff isn't new, it's just putting a name to certain things that women respond to. And it's only outlined and named because it's to help guys who don't have it come naturally to them.
An NBA player's advice is useless to someone who barely knows how to throw a ball because the NBA player has never had to think about throwing the ball - he just does it, and it works out.
No I definitely don't neg. I don't really put people down in general. It's not my thing. I might tell her I find her skin to be soft or her nose cute. But I rarely ever put anyone down unless it's part of a joke or something
great post. my only qualm is, if you can afford 2k for a few hours with this chick, is it really a better deal than feigning BB to a bunch of 8-9s? i mean, clearly if you can afford this escort, dropping a few hundred on dinner and drinks for your typical HB8 seems like a better deal. both are just in it for the resources, im not sure the escort is the better value. of course, you aren't guaranteed the lay with hb8, but just dont be awful game wise and you could do fine.
With the prostitute, you don't have to conceal your intentions and lie about your life. Some people may place value on this.
think she'd be willing to play out my big sister fantasy? she can stroke my head and jerk me off while i suck on her tit.
For that price I'm sure she'd drink your piss out of another girls ass.
damn why didn't i think of that. it sounds like the skys the limit. shit time to up the dark triad and take over corporate america so i can get all my nasty fetishes achieved by 11/10 escort. she's gonna come out the other side with 2 thousand cock stare, this i promise.
Shes a hooker.. she already got it.
The post made me smile and for a moment or so I even forgot she was an escort, but then the reality kicked in and I realised there are no girls like this :/
Eh? Of course there are girls like this. They're pretty much everywhere dude...
I sauntered in to the Old Spaghetti Factory at about half past six. My leather duster swirled about as my sketchers squeaked on the greasy tile floor. I tipped my trilby to the waiters, they nodded and ushered me to my usual booth.
I was to meet a woman for a date. A paid date. Mind you it was my friend who arranged the whole affair and I was merely humoring the chap...
MGTOWs - No one gives a fuck about you or your glass egos.
Confirmation of what I have been saying all along.
They are shockingly fragile.
Proof or it didn't happen. Sounds like you're writing a script.
This is the wierdist humble brag for this sub
Even when you factor in the high probability that this girl is tailoring her words to what you want to hear, she still sounds like a better ltr than just about any girl you can run into.
And she is not ltr material.
Critical thinking people. Critical thinking.
Why would a happily married person need an escort though?
She stated that she has unhappily married men and single men in their 20's and 30's who are happy.
She probably does get some happily married men who want sex their wives won't provide. Like BDSM, Anal, etc.
Nah, my point was that OP was saying that the lesson to be learned was to not get married.
Whether that's a good PSA or not, the proof provided for it is dumb because it's only taking into account people who need to pay for sex and it's not comparing them to people who are in stable relationships.
If you're going to hold up unhappily married men for proof that marriage is a bad idea, you need to hold up the happy ones as well for comparison. Likewise, if you're going to up happy single guys up, you'll need examples of unhappy single guys as well.
Heres the problem with this thread. Guy paid $2000 for an escort. If youre truly a red pill, you shouldn't be paying for sex as women are not trophies, by paying them you are already telling yourself that you're worth less than a woman. Sure you didnt pay for this escort and thats great, but people are not bound to spend 2k for sex. Seems like everyone is agreeing with top comments cheering on OP for paying money to get sex. You dont need to be a millionaire to fuck a 10/10 female. Confidence is key. I applaud you for stating your adventure but to her business is businesss and at the end of the day your just another customer. Deuces
Guy has done a tremendous step forward to calibrating his own SMV, he has seen what good sex looks like. This knowledge will help him filter bar sluts and tinder whores for the rest of his life, that's like a world class course.
About the price tag - I agree, this is ridiculous amounts of money and is a waste. 2000 sounds low, the price was likely close to 4000$. You can easily fuck 20-40 women in Brazil, Cuba, Thailand or Philippines for this amount of money.
But hem again everyone needs an experience of banging of hot and willing and cultures 9, to see what the high end of sexual marketplace looks like
Yeah, I agree. You could even fuck 20 good-looking women in America for that amount. Even if I were a millionaire $2000 an hour would be too damn high. When I'm fucking an escort I don't value her intelligence or conversational skills that highly since that's not what I'm paying for; I can have stimulating conversations with my friends for free.
Don't know about America, maybe if you do 30 min quickies. Around me the rate is 300/hr for a 6-7
I live in the US too, I just got lucky enough to live near an agency that charges about $180 to $200 an hour for some reason. I have no idea why they don't charge more since they easily could and they have the best-looking roster of girls you'll find at that price point (usually in their early 20s to mid-30s in the 6 to 8 range). Only recently did I realize such low prices aren't common in America.
What's with the influx of shitposts lately?
I randomly found trp like 2 months ago and thought it was great. Now every time I come on here it's loaded with absolutely retarded shit.
wow, great write up. Thank you
Your friend spent 5 grand on you?
What the heck is a "starfish?"
A girl who just lays there while you fuck her. She puts in no effort.
Red pill confirming porn with a fuck escorts instead of real women cherry thrown on top.
I wonder what percentage of men accused or rape in college are plan D guys
Remember boys, AWALT ! Also never listen to what a woman says. Watch what she does. In this case, she blows D to make the ollars. No difference between that and any other woman except for the formal, explicit agreement beforehand.
By the way, for all her hotness and high cost, you still can't enjoy bareback sex with her (and ejaculate inside her vagina, for example). Which, thanks to the lack of medical technology, will always be a motivation for most men to commit to the "monogamous relationship" doctors are always talking about in order to "lower risk" of STDs.
I have to wonder what kind of doctors real money is able to buy. Because we know what it can buy with regard to houses, cars and women.
To be fair, her demographic is going to be very small. People looking for a relationship aren't going to go to her, so she's going to get the rich bachelors, and people with successful marriages aren't going to be seeing her, so she's going to be getting the ones with shitty marriages.
It's interesting that her clients consist of men who are miserable in their marriage and younger men who have no desire to get married, yet she believes she can get married to a high quality man within six months. Bullshitting is a two way street, I guess.
One more reason Id take having money over looks.
For the same reason I get no enjoyment out of strip clubs. I would not be able lie to myself that the woman was genuinely interested in me. I'm sorry but I would never pay for someone to tell me what I want to hear. I'd be to self aware to enjoy it.
More power to OP for getting his friend to pay for it. It is interesting hearing her "thoughts" on the matter, but like most people in the thread, I would really question her sincerity.
What country was this? Is it not very illegal in the US?
Can You Link Me This Website
WOW. Never heard about rates like those. What level of quality are we talking about? Just for comparison in Dubai you can get a 20 years old girl, "perfect 10" playmate look (long blonde hair, fake lips, fake boobs, thin, tanned, designer clothes, etc...) for about 500$ full night.
I have worked with this industry in a very big city (by any standard world class) and just so everyone is aware those are "dream rates" ie what you quote to someone who doesn't know the industry and is likely too naive to negotiate or walk from ego
The absolute best girls in any city can be had for $500/hour.
You nailed it bro. The market id overpopulated with dicks.
I think what I took mostly out of this is pussy is low value now that the market has made it easily accessible. What men want now is simply a girl that doesn't shart herself and chug 5 beers at dinner. It fucking amazes me how easy it is to be a desirable woman and yet most women steer away from it. Take care of your body. Act pleasant and submissive. Don't look at your fucking phone on a date. SIMPLE.
I came up with a similar conclusion as you, OP, having found my way through some odd circles where escorts and high-end strippers spent their time. It also saddened me deeply to know that these, considering what they do, in a parallel universe where they wouldn't do the oldest job on the planet would be such good material to the empowered feminist sluts wasting everyone's oxygen right now.
I met, through some friends, a high-end escort out of L.A. a few years back. Basically everything said here matches with what she told me. She was very cultured, educated, had a boyfriend who (she claimed) was a Navy SEAL and spent the majority of her time with clients who were wealthy, successful and looking for conversation as well as sex.
I would have taken her up on her offer if I could have afforded the 2k for a night.
Shit man, this post made me seriously consider just going the high-end escort route and spending most of my time on my business might be a much more valuable use of my time than trying to boost poverty SMV. I don't really have a good hookup to the escort world and I wouldn't know where to start, seems risky.
great if you can afford it.
This video beautifully illustrates my view on the entire spectrum of dating and sex. Either submit and appreciate my work ethic or fuck off. https://youtu.be/nSofun0TYE4
why cant you show us a pic of her? instead of detailing her like she isn't real.
This Just In, 8k escort isn't like all those other girls!
Jeuss, OP pussy magick dun worked gud on you.
I remember on Firefly the escorts were highly regarded and respected. Although I don't respect what they do, they still get more respect than the average slut because of class and professionalism.
I can't believe how many of you are ENDORSING the patronizing of hookers on this sub, hamstering your way by claiming how fucked up girls are today to justify your inability to get laid without paying for it. What the fuck? On TRP no less, a self-improvement sub. Shame on you.
you know, except for the fact that she was a whore. no hate
The point system is virtually only based on looks
except when he said
which implies a holistic point system, one in which a whore can not be a 10
Use your autism on something more productive, guy.
I wonder how many guys here have (unknowingly) gamed (and maybe fucked) a hooker on her 'night off'?? Heaps! Especially in countries where prostitution is legal, you'd be most surprised who "works"
N.B 'working girls like this one can be great value and you'll sometimes even meet them at the supermarket (If you've got the Game) but "it changes them" into this "semifictional person" when they 'go to work', usually using another name etc
and after a while the distinction between the two women begins to blur, and not much after that point, it becomes quite clear, you two are like water and oil (and Penn and Teller scripted your relationship). yet the women tend to stay attracted to the 'easy income' that comes from being a sex worker, ( the attention and the 'naughtiness/wildness of it, but mainly what the hope the money will get them that which a man wont ... and they won't try and guilt trip her for buying a Porsche
Now, take that "millioniare matchmaker" twerp on tv -- she is, IMHO far worse than All hookers combined, becoz she's teaching these dorks who pay her shitloads for an ear-FULL of SHIT!
what strange times we live in when the 'bad people' Are the Good people and most people are just selfish cunts! .... facinating, really.
ya know what pisses me off? This woman sounds like my ex that everyone says to run away from. Sure she's got problems, but she forces me to man the f* up more than any other which makes ME feel awesome and HER feel satisfied.
All these people lamenting the state of women these days, which I agree with wholeheartedly it's impossible finding an 8 that checks off every box like this escort does, but maybe we need to put in more legwork instead of hard nexting some of these girls like I see advised on here. My ex plays game like a motherf* but you put in the leg work she's basically a really devoted version of this escort. Face it, men, we're not perfect and neither are they. Just some thoughts.
Thank you for posting this. I found a site for foreign students in my city offering escort services. Nothing like what you mentioned, however I was considering doing it... because fuck the effort required to reel in a hypergamous sloot. Instead, I can send a text to a 20 year old, stunning Korean or Japanese girl, pay $130 and get serviced, then leave.
Wow! Sounds like an excellent experience. Why aren't more women raised to behave and carry themselves with grace and beauty? I wonder. She sounds spectacular, like a modern, jet setting geisha.
It would be really helpful if you share your SMV and height/weight, as well as the SMV of the escort
You fell in a trap if you think that she's consistently different from the average girl. Remember that AWALT: she will anyway proceed to AF/BB, hit the escort-wall, etc. It's just a matter of time and she just has her own way of perceiving who's AF and who's BB.
alphas make bank, betas don't. she sure as hell won't be fucking chad the biker who makes 12 an hour.
I stopped at $2.5k per 2 hours. I hope you enlaved her soul and kept a couple of toes for souvenirs at that price...
the guys who got 100 mil in the bank it's pocket change
$100 million is not as much as you might think nor is that amount usually available as cash to be spent on whores. Think about it.
idk man, a hundred mil is pretty nice I think
That's the point. Imagine your sense of self worth and your mindset if you believed that level of financial influence was available to you. Do you think a millionaire has $100 million in green cash available to impress a whore or buy a toy. Do you not realize that level of money is a concept only? A line item on a risk benefit analysis. A ledger comment indicating a failure to capitalize. It isn't real. It shouldn't be your standard to judge accomplishments against. You can't hold it in your hand as easily as you would think.
I don't really care, I just want a quiet life somewhere nice and natural with a family
if you play it slow and smart I'm pretty sure you can convert most of it to gold/other precious materials/gemstones which are as good a store of value as it gets.
it isn't. my standard is I don't want to be a slave working for someone else who just sips margaritas in hawaii with three whores at his side
No criticisms. Good to hear. If life were only that simple.
100 millions at 5% interest (which it is very conservative for a good hedge fund) is 5 millions a year without working a day. Do you think you can live and afford 2.5k escorts with that passive income?
Yes. And they sell their souls for that. My point is, be aware that anything on the order of this level of compensation is well beyond anything that this pedigree of woman can find anywhere else. The purchaser sets the limits even if the woman sets the initial asking price. This is slavery for the woman not the man.
I struggle to think how a guy who's worth $100M can't get enough cash to buy a $2k/hr prostitute at least 3 nights a week in perpetuity, no matter how much of the assets are illiquid.
Do I have that limited an imagination, or are you on crack?
net worth = Assets - Lialbities at the simplest level. No millionaire + keeps 100mil in the bank just sitting here. There cash is tied up into other things thus effect their cash flow. Not saying they couldnt afford it regardless tho.
Not the $100m itself it isn't. But the, say, 3% per year it yields you certainly is. That's $3m per year, cash, you can spend on whatever the fuck you want.
$100m is exactly as much as I think it is. It's a fuck ton of money that guarantees you and your descendants not to have to work ever again. (If you do it like old money do it to avoid dispersing the capital.)
i make 30k and fuck skanks. It's a potoflex fucking money. Don't be an asshole.
A friend of mine is taking his wife to Napa Valley this weekend for two days. The wife has completely let herself go: she weighs about 250 lbs.
It's a two hour drive round trip, he'll spend $500 on lodging/gas/meals. Plus he's earning about $150/hr (about $300K/yr) when he's working and has all the work he can handle. If he spent those two days working, he'd earn 8x150x2=$2400.
So he's out $2900 for sex with a whale. He won't be nearly as happy as if he had worked two days and had sex with an eager 10.
It's not for me, but if you do the math, it works out for some men. The total expense of a woman in the US is ridiculous.
Jesus. I have a hard time understanding how men let their relationships get that bad. At some point, why didn't he just say "no" and check out?
It's not for me, but he's an adult and can make his own decisions. I don't know what the upside is to him, but it's his life and I don't judge.
Since it was paid for me, it cost me around $120 for our dinner, that's it.
Also it's a high class escort for a select group of people. Those type of guys that fly first class London - NYC for $20k or spend $10k a night on the presidential suite at the Waldorf Astoria.
Money is relative in that regard.
How does this prostitute magically grow her pubes out for you before a date? I got hung up on that particular bullshit detail.
you probably have to give her some time to grow it out lol. i assume you have to book her in advance cuz she's catering to high profile clients. it's doubtful that you can just call her up and have her over at your place the following afternoon for lunch. the fact that she takes specific requests no matter what they are means she would put some time into the prep work, not having certain outfits as an example. shit man i'm in love.
Your friend is a champion. You owe him a beer and a good story at least!
You have nothing to prove to me or anyone else. Good for you taking advantage of an unusual situation, no criticisms for that. I meant only that for the price you commented on you could have quite actually purchased a human being given the right situation. Your comment about some dude flying NYC to London first class is exactly my point. Those girls put their souls up for collateral. Did you get your money's worth?
He said that his friend hooked him up and he didn't have to pay... and from the experience he described and his reaction I'd say he definitely got a lot of value out of it.
The abstraction away from the mechanisms and process of actual exchange of value allowed the purchased entertainment vehicle to gain influence and control. This pedigree of woman will do anything asked of her. I'm simply proposing the concept that he could have beaten the horse harder.
lol at paying $10k on any womans company for a night..doesnt matter how great the sex or her body is, that is downright the same as being raped..
you absolutely CAN own women!i have had 2 women in my get so atached to me that they could bare be away from me for longer than 2 days..
has no job, has never had sex.
Seems pretty close:
TRP needs to start banning some of these low-value shitheads who don't contribute to the conversation and don't really agree with TRP.
I'm interested in her asshole. What did it look like and taste like? What did it smell like? You did sniff her asshole didn't you? If she's not sniff-worthy she's not worth paying for. Did you give her a dairy enema ? Did she do any farts for you? I've always thought the whole point of paying for a hooker is to do depraved stuff you don't want her telling her friends about, like pumping her asshole full of Greek yogurt ( sugar free of course ) and having her fart it out all over your dong.
LOL probably gave him herpies
Very interesting perspective. Arguably the best field report on TRP thank you for sharing and for going into such good depth. 10/10 post
OP, please realize that despite you taking about her being an escort, breaking the wall, and getting meta, 90% of her clients do this, and you're just another John/ mark.
Yeah if you have the money do it every weekend.
Personally, I'm not into hookers. One, it does nothing for my ego or validation, no matter how hard they and you try to convince yourself they are not repulsed by the idea of unpaid sex with you. Two, I don't like fucking girls who aren't enjoying it
what was the point of this post
Your friend must be a good one to drop $8K for you to have a dinner and a bang… Ok, this woman you spent the evening with is a professional whore. As she explained to you during your interview, she has to know and understand her cliental and their business and social environments.
I can safely assume she already understands what the MGTOW and RedPill movements are, and probably subscribes to and reads the articles. She must be an expert at profiling people. This is so she doesn’t fly off to some Sheik in the UAE, get drugged and wake up as a sex slave somewhere. But mainly, she profiles clients to manage and manipulate the dates. Nonetheless, she probably profiled you and answered your questions accordingly. She gave you a mixture of what you’d agree with a pinch of objectivity.
She must understand sales and marketing to make it in her line of work, which is why she discussed the specific categories of men she caters to. She knows the problems men are dealing with and plays her clients to give them what they seek and dream of.
Sure you had an opportunity to bang a hot chick, but in the end, when she’s all dried up and aged…she’s going to look for that made man. I believe she’ll be more dangerous to her husband than the standard wife because she’s become a master in many areas of sex and manipulation. All men should avoid this chick if she ever comes knockin’ at your door for the ring!
"...on MGTOW and if that behaviour upsets or hurts women -It doesn't hurt nor upset women at all. The majority of men are simply not realizing that most women have endless men at their disposal, literally a phone call away. In high school/college the sorority sisters on my campus used to call them 'Plan D' [wordplay from the plan B pill]. Men they would call if their main guys had a football game going and were unavailable. If those girls were horny and wanted quick sex and a free meal they'd text them.-"
Damn owned. Sucks to be a guy sometimes, yall are too easy and it pollutes the market.
The more and more I read this the more ashamed I become of the pathetic male gender.
lol...
I wish I didn't have to play on the same team as yall. Its like being on a sports team and all your teammates are retards.
You kissed a hooker on the mouth?
The twitter study you quote shows that ~50%, not OVER 50%. so in other words, everyone slut shames about the same amount?
So are all women bitter hags, or not?
It reads like escort publicity
You're the pimp, aren't you?
Unless that pussy takes my jizz and queefs out gold pellets with it, then it aint worth $2,000 an hour.
Some of you complaining this is "fake" desire? Are you fucking kidding me guys? I would fuck you passionately for $2,000.00 an hour. No girl is going to have trouble performing for that price and this professional probably cums buckets with her clients.
For $10k a night she had better be a 10/10, how does she justify that price, does her vagina cure cancer!?
man i'm working with red cross and then i read across this post other ppl lives are interesting
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She just told you what she knew you wanted to hear.
She's been with a lot of men and she can read you easily. That's her job.
Saw a documentary about one of these high class whores who traded (fake) girlfriend experience for ever increasing sums only to feed their drug habits and that special chad who lived off her. It's same story I've heard over and over about "cultured" prostitutes. They really are worse scum, but club/tinder sluts are fast catching up!
Also remember you are singing praises to a FUCKING PROSTITUTE, worse still obviously fell in love of that piece of trash. If this isn't a stellar red flag, tell me what is...
Read every word. Very impressed, I just wish this was more common and you didn't have to pay for it
No matter what anyone says, hiring an hooker/escort is one of the saddest most pathetic things a man can do. Do it if you have to but trying to pitch it as a great admirable solution is a joke.
What is this, the morality forum?
What's the phrase again, "sexual strategy is amoral?"
Has nothing to do with morals. Half the fun of sex is the CHASE and conquer, paying for it effectively destroys half the fun.
lol..so when famous actors/athletes/musicians do it. it's okay right?