I've been with my wife (yes, I know) for a little over 5 and a half years and all has usually been well.
However, after stumbling upon this sub and reading through the materials, I knew that life had to change because fuck me, I was beta as fuck and I wasn't getting anywhere. Sex happened rarely and the only time it would happen is when it was initiated by me, and you guys know how it is, you can tell they didn't really want it. It was like masturbating with a pussy.
I was fat, constantly on my computer, whilst she ran the house and essentially made myself her 'child'. Fucking hell, it's pitiful to look back upon.
So I made a change a few months ago on my path to self improvement, and to stop being such a beta in life.
I joined the gym and didn't give a flying fuck what anyone else thought. All of my anger at myself I tunneled into lifting as much as I could and I felt like a man again.
I went out more, pursued a social life, and began speaking to people again. I naturally began to open up at work and now I speak to everyone that passes me, engaging in conversation and now people look up to me more.
I changed my diet and began to make more of my own food, and found myself a new passion for cooking. This alongside the gym made the weight just melt off.
It was a sudden change for my wife to see me doing more for myself, going out more and developing a sense of masculinity. I transitioned that life into my relationship and became a man.
As I was going through life on a journey of self improvement, the pedestal I placed her upon began to lower and I took control of everything. Finances, trips out, where we would eat etc. I never asked for permission to do anything, I just did it. It all came naturally to me.
It changed every dynamic of my life and my relationship. She just can't get enough of me and sex has gone through the roof. 8 times in just the last 5 days.
Swallowing the Red Pill requires a complete lifestyle change, but fuck me, it works like a charm.
Thank you to this community for helping people like me get to where we want to be in life. You're all doing God's work for men.
Great post. Not many are able to pull themselves out of such a low place. I'm happy for you!
I appreciate that!
Thanks!
This is the most positive TRP post i've ever seen
I'm glad I can spread the positivity and show the TRP can really work if you put your mind to it.
Others can do it too!
I think it's great you caught it before the ship sank. Most don't see it until they lose their special snowflake to a chad.
Precisely, I knew what I had was special, so I knew I had to hold onto it, but at the same time I was doing all of this to improve myself as a man.
This sub gets a lot of irrational hate for being misogynistic. Let's take a moment to look at this same story from your wife's perspective. She was bored, married to a man she wasn't attracted to, probably daydreaming about a life she could have had, and dutifully putting out sex as rarely as she had to in order to not let her husband go nuts and embarrass her by getting caught with a prostitute. Her husband finds the red pill and swallows it. Now she's fulfilled, excited, and lusting after her husband. Who exactly is the victim here?
All of the other unhappy wives and ex-girlfriends.
Proof that the universe follows Natural Laws. (Red Pill)
One of those laws is "gender" and that it has polarity.
As you became masculine in polarity it inspires a feminine polarity in her and now she feels attraction.
Win, win.
There are ~78 genders now bro learn the pronouns you bigot.
I know, how funny... I'm "oppressive" for speaking the truth.
Truth is Hate
According to you:
He wrote all of those things in the past??
All high level knowledge is abstract.
We must have the mental flexibility to switch between multiple disciplines.
If you encounter a Buddhist you speak as a Buddhist.
If you encounter a Mathematician you speak as a Mathematician.
The Natural Laws are very vague and abstract concepts that have proven to be true for thousands of years.
One can ignore knowledge and choose ignorance, but it won't erase the fact these truths exist, but instead it just makes you blind to them.
Ignorance is bliss. (happiness)
How do you speak when you encounter a Tinfoil-hat?
Yeah what about the fucking foxkin, lizardqueens, and fuzzybois.
Jeez what an insensitive deusche.
Here Are the 31 Gender Identities New York City Recognizes
Here’s the complete list:
Bi-gendered
Cross-dresser
Drag King
Drag Queen
Femme Queen
Female-to-Male
FTM
Gender Bender
Genderqueer
Male-to-Female
MTF
Non-Op
HIJRA
Pangender
Transexual/Transsexual
Trans Person
Woman
Man
Butch
Two-Spirit
Trans
Agender
Third Sex
Gender Fluid
Non-Binary Transgender
Androgyne
Gender Gifted
Gender Blender
Femme
Person of Transgender Experience
Androgynous
If you're such an insensitive fuck that you don't know what each of these means...
you're in luck: Facebook created a guide to their list of 51 (most of whom apparently belong in Area 51).
What Each of Facebook’s 51 New Gender Options Means
Gender Essentialism. It's true and all TRP knows it.
What is remarkable is how even a "confirmed beta" who is stuck in a marriage where he has begun to lose hope and fall apart internally can read the Red Pill and be so awakened as to turn his life around on his own and recharge his masculine polarity and bend the world to his will.
It's a shining example that proves the power of the Red Pill.
It was a real eye opener for me.
I literally had an epiphany and knew life could be different.
And it's down to the power of the Red Pill, and the huge community surrounding and supporting it.
Things are changing in the world.
The Feminist movement seems to be developing "cracks" as "glitches" are popping up that prove the entire mythology is full of crap.
The Red Pill is growing in the population at a rapid pace and frankly the usual power structures at the top that depend on a dumbed down public are getting worried and preparing to crack down.
A year from now it might be possible that everything gets censored and the Red Pill and all it's various other Alt Media / Manosphere / Alt Right variants will be pushed underground.
We live in exciting times. (dangerous)
I'll certainly have a drink to that!
Things are changing, and men are realising that they don't need to put pussy on a pedestal anymore. It's easy when you know how. But if you go in looking to fuck women, you'll never get anywhere.
The number one rule is to do it for yourself and to make yourself a better man.
Part of me (skeptically) thinks the decline and collapse is inevitable as it was for the Roman Empire. And that We are too far gone for the infection to be completely reversed. It's going to kill us at some point. TRP is just prolonging that from happening eventually. maybe it's an inherent flaw in Western Civilization, a glitch in the matrix that causes it to crash and restart every 1500 years or so. I really hope I'm wrong.
it's really hard to stay in that state, like sometimes i have it and other times i just feel drained. when i'm "on" it's like the world is at my fingertips, but eventually my energy runs dry and i feel like things start to collapse. when this happens should i just retreat into solitude and let myself recharge?
Why not?
If you can't win then why play?
I know there is no worse condition than being in a weakened state and "having" (for whatever reason) to be involved in something.
well yea it's like if i'm gonna be in a situation where i'm not able to be at my best, and everything is just going to shit. i mean i can stick it through but it's like why would i stay in a situation that is unproductive to me and adds no value to me in any way. as an example why stay with a woman who has proven herself to be low quality and possibly fully committed to the 666 lifestyle. it becomes self abuse and letting yourself be ruled by the cycle.
am i missing something?
I'm not sure if I see the difference between taking the red pill and just leading a healthy life. Sure the parts about taking control of the finances, what trips you take, and being overall more assertive as a male is all red pill stuff. But is exercising and eating right, which leads to confidence and a higher smv actually red pill?
It seems the biggest benefit of the red pill is just living a healthy life lifestyle. Most of the other stuff happened as a result. I'm not a big fan of the woman bashing part, there are just too many different women to generalize. Also, i think it's basically what the crazy women do to men, bash them as a whole, so i don't see the point. Although I do find tons of useful info about avoiding those types of women.
But there is more to it than that. The Red Pill is sexual strategy and life strategy. You don't have to follow everything to a T, but you better believe everything goes hand in hand.
Lift, raise your SMV, work your ass off and work your way up in a career, minimize emotional impact of the fickle creatures we call women (plating), minimize financial risk, maximize life potential, obtain abundance.
You can cherry-pick and cut out philosophy behind any one of TRP's core tenets, but as they say, the evidence for this stuff is overwhelming. Ignoring any one of them is just placing limitations on your own potential. Pulling a cover over your eyes is just the BP inside of you trying to cling to what's "socially acceptable and fair". I've got news for you: life is neither.
The point of TRP is not to hate or bash women, it's to understand exactly how they are and love them anyway.
I've always heard the phrase life isn't fair, but going by you're philosophy, life shouldn't be fair because that's how you've made it for yourself
You're drinking the blue Kool-aid. If you really think women can't be generalized, you just haven't been around enough of them to "get it."
In certain aspects, of course, they can be generalized. But saying they are all the same is just not accurate
The red pill core essentials are obvious as fuck. Sadly some people don't embrace basic shit like good health, being social, and being a more helpful spouse. Glad op did and I it doesn't really matter what the source was if it worked. Now leave op and never come back!
Truth, health, objectivity... that's what the Red Pill is after all.
By shifting towards a masculine polarity you clear away the fog of subjectivity and see reality better.
Red Pill is healthy and more truthful... we destroy mythology.
We "Kill the Beta".
Because that's pretty much it, modern society has steered away from that. Why do you think the first thing it's always said to new people is lift!
My anecdotal experience with TRP:
Dread game leads to better outcomes for both parties. Men are obviously happier, but the woman is happier as well.
Nu males being lead to terrible outcomes. Men are unhappy and confused why the woman is even less happy. The willingness to bend over backwards is awful for both parties.
"Gender" is not a "law of universe".
Always looking forward to the incoherent ramblings of u/NeoreactionSafe.
Are you being "pro-Faggot" again... "gender fluid"?
Remember that the Red Pill is not neutral in the understanding of masculine and feminine polarity.
We observe how masculinity (Alpha) effects the universe.
What's wrong with you JamesSkepp?
I ask that in a compassionate way... why aren't you getting that the Red Pill builds men out of the clay that come here.
Boys come to the Red Pill... they learn masculinity... they then become men.
We honestly want you there too, seriously, we want you to join us.
How am I "pro-faggot" or "gender-fluid" here:
One more thing while we're at it:
Masulinity doesn't affect UNIVERSE. Name something beyond this planet and civilisation that is being "affected by masculinity".
Pomppous metaphyscis babble mixed with TRP.
Geez... really?
After all this time on the Red Pill you still don't see how masculinity creates attraction?
It's our core concept.
This is why at first I thought you were a troll because you seemed determined to undermine our most basic concepts but now I see you as like my (then) 16 year old nephew who had no clue but thought he did.
I remember him being so confident he was going to be on the high school basketball team and prove himself equal to his father (my brother) who actually did play college basketball and set records in my high school. I never played.
Anyway... they didn't even put him on the team.
The disparity between his image of himself as this "supreme person" was crushed that day... actually a good thing he was a total special snowflake up to that point. (he literally cried in front of me)
The bottom line is you might want to actually read some sidebar material or possibly just stop and rethink things.
It's like you know the "surface" of the Red Pill and can "kind of" mimic some of it's jargon, but you don't yet know it on the deeper personal intuitive level.
Keep trying though... you will get there... I'm sure of it.
Right, spam enought times that I'm "not trp-minded" and you'll get people believing it.
Not that you will actually prove it or substantiate it. You will just spam one theme over and over again, like you always do.
You do realize where this planet and civilization reside, right?
I think he means that gender is not a law, like gravity or entropy.
The universe would be just fine without genders.
So, for example, how is the nearest starsystem "affected by masculinity"?
I recommend checking out Zizeks talk on Sexual Difference on youtube for a Leftist, social constructionist account about the universality of sexuality and the dumb shit that happens when you de-ontologize sexual polarity. He talks about why Lacan (his forebear, the famous psychiatrist), who did not see gender identity or almost anything else as biological, thought it was so important to take it back from its status as a footnote to life as a specific type of organism and put it back into the fabric of reality itself. Good talk in general, super interesting tidbits.
Posts like these are really why I like this sub despite the massive hate it gets. At the end of the day, it helps men get more in tune with who they are, and what their role is as a man, and in the end, you're happier, your wife is happier, and all you had to do was make positive changes in your life.
Good for you man.
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
It's not all about fucking women and spinning plates, sometimes it's just a way to be a better man.
Taking control of your life in whatever way you see fit as a man. I hate when everyone purports TRP as though every person who "swallows the pill" has to spin plates and fuck sluts. A women will love you passionately and tend to your needs but that love is never unconditional. Her actions are a direct response to your passion and motivation of towards yourself. But I hope you feel like everything is much more within your control. Best of luck to you as you continue to strive on your journey to true Alpha status.
I couldn't have put it better myself, thank you for your luck. You don't have to fuck sluts and spin plates, it's about taking the pill to be a better man.
This was a pleasant read and shows how simple being a man is: handle your shit, be the shit. Thanks for the inspiration Dazza.
No problem, good luck on your journey! I know mine isn't over yet.
And they say we're only about degrading women. No it's how they tick and sometimes it's the man's fault
It's always up to the man to change, because in most cases women never will. A first mate is only as good as her captain moulds her to be.
Head on over to Married RedPill. Way more relevant to you.
TRP created the Married tag for a reason: to bring it all under one roof (especially with some of the pro-marriage 2.0 attitudes over there). If you don't want to read married content, skip it.
I am a married RedPill guy.
Same here. But I'm still me. James. 41. Active fitness enthusiast for 20+ years. I eat right. I smoke too, whenever i feel like it. i wear a pair of speedos if I feel like it too, and don't worry about the stupification that some women pretend to have at it's sight, when I know it's the bulge that they are really intimidated by. I am growing a fucking mustache that won't quit, and I'll sew my own clothes if the mood strikes me.
That's great you should post this in deadbedrooms
It's actually not. This woman lied to him about what she wanted and left it for him to figure out his own life AND what she wants. She isn't supportive, she's just responding to his SMV. That's not a marriage, that's just another bar slut.
The burden of performance is still on him, and the responsibility of the whole relationship is also on him.
What's the benefit of getting married exactly, if you still have to do all this stuff just to have your wife show any interest in you? I just don't buy it... getting married is an increase in your obligations and a decrease in hers.
It's posts like this that make young men think that marriage might be a good idea after all, so long as they are "alpha enough bro, yo".
It's not. It's a terrible fucking idea. And the lengths men have to go to in order to make them work prove what a terrible idea they are. OP would be better off single
Since when women tell men what they want? Since when women are supportive? Since when women take responsibility for anything?
Are you high or just a bad day?
Of course she's responding to his SMV. She wants fun, feels and fucking tingles. She's not being another "bar slut", she's just being another fucking woman.
Noone is arguing that marriage is a good idea, but come on, dude is already married.
Divorcing out of the fucking blue, now that's a bad idea, right here.
I agree 100%. That's his fucking wife of 5+ years, not some fling.
It's not like she was a cocksucker about him having no SMV... nobody is attracted to fat, lazy, depressed people.
Good on ya for getting your shit together OP. TRP should be all about taking control of your life, and not sitting idly by watching it pass.
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Anyone who comes to this sub and slings insults doesn't get it.
AWALT = all girls are bar sluts? And you think you "got it"?
Who the fuck downvoted this? Did your feefees get hurt by the mean words?
Fuck me.
Children. Pay attention to the man with the 2 next to his name.
Ya I agree, awalt. Of course she doesn't want to be with a man child, every women wants a man and that means you can't just let yourself go after getting married. However, marriage being a bad idea, I don't think is really up for debate.
I'm going through a divorce and if I could have done what the guy in the post did, chances are I wouldn't be. Is this her fault? I don't think so, it's my fault for being a fucking puss, she only wanted what all women want.
You can be a boy and get a girlfriend, have sex, hell, even get married. I would even argue you can stay married for a long time as a boy. Your girl will always long for a man though, and you can either become that man or accept the fact that your girlfriend/wife (or whatever you want to call her) will never respect you, because really, in her eyes what is there to respect.
everything you're saying is true about ALL women, regardless of LTR or ONS. Feels>reals.
True, but I don't think this leads to your conclusion.
That is simplistic thinking, and it is far more nuanced than that. For example, I would also recommend not getting legally married, but making a commitment to monogamy based on your word.
In many ways, yes. On the other hand, I came home yesterday to dinner that my wife made. I ate dinner, then put on a superhero cape and jumped off the couch and wrestled with my kids for a couple hours. Then I put them to bed, and my wife and I had sex in my favorite position, and she thanked me for banging her.
Our society has corrupted marriage, but it was once a great thing for men and women.
Doesn't marriage have its roots as a social and financial obligation? Isn't the loving marriage the real corruption?
That's a very deep question that I would have great difficulty answering completely. In Christianity, it is a social and financial obligation, but also a covenant of love. Hinduism probably sees it as a purely social and financial obligation.
Totally. You have kids so marriage is not a bad idea at all.
That is their way. Don't be mad about it, you little bitch.
All women are that way. Fuck, you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.
So it is and so it shall be, for all men, for the end of time. As I said before, you haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about.
The only benefit is if you have kids. Otherwise, it's a bad idea. I don't know why you think that is relevant, though. OP already got married. The point is moot.
Nobody is advocating marriage, you blathering fuckwit.
Only if they're as stupid as you are.
Stop being a fucking butthurt crybaby. Fuck, you're a whiny bitch. I bet vaginal fluid evaporates like fart in the wind when you move near a woman.
Jesus.
You are the type of person that other subs say they hate about us... Just stop and review your actions. You are either trolling or just completely wrong.
Marriage is dumb as fuck. Wake up.
Marriage is a dumb idea, but what is worse is divorce.
What the OP did was make the best of his situation, yes it is a shitty hand but holding and bluffing is cheaper than folding with half your assets of the table.
Make no mistake, I am not supporting the idea of marriage (do not get married). I am all for people taking the material from the red pill toolbox and achieving the best possible result with whatever hand in life they have right now.
Well done to /u/Dazza477 for that achievement, however since there are no kids in the equation (not mentioned in the OP) I would weigh up the option of divorce as if you are going to get out it is better now than after a kid or two has been added to the equation.
Regardless if divorce is an option on the table, it is prudent to ensure your legals, finances and other particulars are prepped against her pulling the plug on the marriage (forewarned is forearmed if you have read about the rates of divorce initiated by the wife).
Unlike most TRP members, I do believe in marriage. But only since I met the woman that completes me as a human.
However unlike most married men, I've just got myself into a position that in a potential break-up, I can go out there as a confident man because I made myself a better man for me, not for my marriage.
I wonder if you're getting down voted because you're hurting the sensibilities of the more blue pilled members here... or do people actually think marriage is a decent idea?
Even in TRP, many think "if you're just alpha and apply a bit of dread, MARRIAGE CAN WORK, bro, yo".
Some people use TRP to prop up their disney dream.
Might be dumb for you but not for others, even if they swallowed TRP
Maybe you have to do that stuff to have anyone interested in you.
Such is the nature of women
Imagine if you married a woman and she got fat, boring and lazy over the years. Never caring about how she looks in front of you etc.. Suddenly she gets in shape, starts wearing nice clothes, suprises you with wine and sexy underwear out of nowhere.
Please stop being a hypocrite.
this just inspired me to take this red pill thing seriously congrats on making it to the other side man
Redpill: Doing God's work for men.
Awesome post. Shows one of the many benefits of the redpill and serves as an inspiration to others to transform their lives for the better.
I was literally searching for married TRP posts, since it's coming up soon. Good read and thank you!
https://youtu.be/AnZh1fgk8wk?t=99
I really like this post. Short, and simple--to the point. Shows how you were a beta and admitted that you were; and made the necessary steps to improve your life.
Bravo comrade. Bravo.
The number of I's in your post is really astounding. You went from passenger to driver seat - well done, sir!
I didn't want to come across as selfish, but the point of swallowing the Red Pill isn't to fuck chicks, or game women. It's to make yourself a better man so you can move through life being self sufficient.
LTR here, implementing red pill: can confirm, it works. Not easy, not quick, but gets easier and easier as results show. I changed for the better, she did too. I watch for blue pill relapses, constantly check the side bar and posts here.
Does abuse "work" if it keeps someone too afraid to leave that relationship?
She's going to divorce you anyway.
He's probably aware up that having swallowed the pill and won't get raped in the process
Jesus. This is great. Really happy for you.
If I only found this subreddit a bit sooner.
I'm really happy for you man! That's the way to go!
Good work. Now get a divorce.
Don't worry, if I'm not happy or she's not putting out what's required, I'm gone.
Mine is a path to self-improvement as a man, not to please others.
Rather new to this sub: why should this man get a divorce if his relationship just improved a lot?
Because an example of a happy marriage is a threat to the narrative.
Shh, the hive mind will hear...
AWALT! EVERY WOMAN WILL CHEAT, EVEN IF YOU ARE LITERALLY ALONE ON A DESERTED ISLAND!
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Self fulfilling prophecy. All marriages end so I'll end mine now. See, all marriages end.
The one thing I disagree with that is perpetuated by many within this community is sexualism. I like sex, it's fun. However, I don't believe having sex or many sexual partners should be a goal. At the very least, I wouldn't make it my goal. The Red Pill is great for simply opening your eyes and looking at the world a new way, and it encourages self-improvement, which is vital for successful people (not just men).
I believe that your goal should be making a positive impact on your society and your community. Live your life for other people, not for yourself. When other people appreciate me and respect me for what I am doing, I feel happy. Not when I'm fucking, drinking, playing games, etc. I'm happy when other people feel dependent on me, and the only way to achieve this is by constantly looking for ways to improve yourself.
If you want to learn how to spin plates and fuck new woman every weekend that's fine. You'll probably enjoy it and this is a great place to learn. Don't expect to ever feel satisfied as long as this is your goal. It doesn't take long for your Sexual Market Value (SMV) to tank as you age, but people will always value your skills and personality.
Addendum:
Let me go back for a second though and touch on living for others. That's a pretty good example of blue pill principle taken at face value. When I say live for others I mean live to make others want you.
Don't focus on trying to make people happy or doing nice things for them. When it comes to making anyone happy, you need to come first. Live for others by making real impacts on their lives. Not by holding a physical door open for them, but by opening a metaphorical door. Present to others opportunities through honesty. Help them when they fall and give them real, honest support while remaining critical of their shortcomings.
Grudges, revenge and vendettas are all blue pill. Forgive others for their mistakes and always be available to help them become better. They may never show gratitude, but ultimately you made a positive impact on their life.
Living your life for other people and not yourself is bp to me.
Did you even read the second half of my comment?
I had skimmed it. Reading it, it's better, and I like some of your words, but it's still too selfless. Like I do help people that I like or respect or think are deserving of my help, but that is all a side aspect of my life. A minor sense of purpose by positively impacting them if you will.
Because marriage is a one-sided deal that only benefits women. Alimony is paid on divorce, so in short: you are paying her your money to leave you. Marriage confers no legal, moral or social obligation on the female, only on the male.
And what most men come to realise in the long term is that women do not appreciate male sacrifice. Instead of showing appreciation, women use the sexual exclusivity to manipulate and control the man into doing what she wants. Often for decades. Prior to her getting a divorce and leaving with cash and prizes, that the man has paid for.
Women expect to be paid and supported to raise their children, and then paid and supported again for the money they didn't earn while being so supported. The courts mandate this payment against men.
In short: alpha fucks, beta bucks. Take your pick.
Yep, the system sucks, for the most part. I made out better in my divorce than my ex but we didn't have kids so that helped. It is what it is. Don't get married. If you do get married, don't have kids.
Women will never appreciate male sacrifice until enough sacrifice takes place that women wake up to biological reality that they need men (think United States, 1945-1960).
It's been hard for me to accept, but it truly is easier to view women as children/teenagers. Would you enter a binding contract with a teenager? No. Would you let a teenager take care of your kids? Yes. Would you take everything a teenager says at face value? No. Would you pay attention to their actions instead? Yes. It's not a perfect analogy, but it makes it easier to understand women, to a degree.
It definitely makes it easier to understand woman and it's a great comparison to help people understand this analogy and in turn, women themselves.
OP is already married. You're either giving pointless advice or intellectually circlejerking.
See the question I am replying to.
OK.
And you replied with details of the financial obligations for men in marriage, and the money that would need to be paid in the event of divorce. This information doesn't really help a man who is already married much. Since he already made the mistake of getting married, shouldn't he just be trying to make the best of his marriage rather than getting out and paying the penalty now?
Because SHE will most likely divorce him at some point in the future. It's almost a statistical inevitability. Knowing that, it's much better to have a battle plan in advance with a good lawyer and your assets well hidden. Don't wait for the day she hits you with the "I love you but I'm not in love with you anymore (and by that I'm mean I'm fucking Tyrone Thundercock from work)" and SHE has a battle plan and you don't. Women are ruthless and operate within a system that heavily favors them.
50 50, by the numbers. Either way, he has it as an option now. If she slips, he will have the fortitude to end it himself, and bounce back quickly.
If everything is working well, why would you just fuck it up, to make a point?
If it's a good decision for his long term happiness to end it, then end it. No reason to break it because of some fear that she will go bonkers in the future, at some unknown date.
Sorry, but that's a huge myth in this sub. It's perhaps 50-50.
Quite a few here are against marriage. Just one of the "factions" we have at the sub. Do not let it bother and discern what you want to take/use from the RP toolbox.
Not necessary. I found and applied RP awhile back, but after marriage and kids. My wife was always good on paper - young, attractive, conservative, smart, 0 notch count - but I let her be a bitch back when I myself was a blue pill bitch. Now, like OP, she's more or less an angel for me most of the time, and I can quickly check her if she starts to devolve (i.e., shit/comfort tests). It took awhile, but it is really not as hard as you make it out to be.
That said, I have completely accepted, and am at peace with, the concepts of AWALT and that, even though we're married, she's not mine, it's just my turn. But I know my SMV (and hers), and I know I would be fine if divorce happened. But the marriage works for me and my kids, so I have no desire to pull an anger-phase bitch move and divorce.
After she's been fucking him and loyal when he was fat he should divorce her now. And then go and bitch about women not wanting to be there for the journey.
Seriously. I lurk this sub at times and couldn't believe the guy above telling him to divorce her. "I used to be a fat, lazy, depressed pile and my wife still fucked me and stayed by my side. But now that I've grown as a man, got in shape, and turned my life around and have received a positive reaction from my wife, I'm gonna leave her ass. That'll show her." Like, what?
Yeah, what a retarded advice in this context.
I was about to comment how OP's wife sound like a genuine good wife who hadn't dumped his pathetic ass and looked for cock elsewhere.
Fantastic point about the dishonorable hamsters in this sub. Hypergamy is evil, but divorce your wife out of the blue.
You don't have to be pro marriage to be anti-divorce rape.
Jesus H. Christ, are you insane?
Just on a purely legal level this is horrible advice.
It's also pretty dishonorable to just divorce a woman, rather than trying to work out your problems. That's the type of shit we rightly criticize hypergamous women for.
No.
It's escaping a terrible fucking one sided deal.
This woman is conditional in her affections, but his commitment is unconditional? fuck that
Your comments are true, as aimed at the modern, feminist institution of marriage.
But in this case, they don't appear to be correct for this marriage. OP said he admits he became a fat, worthless fuck, and she didn't leave or cheat on him. Didn't even cut him off from sex. That's about as virtuous of a woman as you'll see in modern society.
I have serious questions about the honor code of a man who would leave this specific marriage.
I don't. Men sign up for unconditional love. This woman's love (such as it is) has been found to be very highly conditional. That's not what he signed up for.
And yes, AWALT. Which is why I do not advocate for marrying anyone.
We're not talking about marriage in the abstract. We're talking about breaching your VOWS to a woman who stayed by you, and did not act treacherously even when he became a fat fuck.
I could MAYBE see advocating a legal divorce but remaining in a monogamous relationship with this woman. That is at least morally defensible. But abandoning monogamy here would be dishonorable.
And he would be all over her if she was fat and lazy? Unconditionally?
Fundamentally men commit money, women commit sex. His money is legally obligated. Her sex is highly conditional and "when she feels like it".
Both genders contribute different things to a marriage.
His contribution is legally mandated. She contribute nothing in this case.
Yeah, well if it "came naturally to you", you wouldn't be here. Well done.
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