You Can Barely Make Yourself Dinner, And Yet You Deserve to Date 9's?

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December 14, 2016

Claim: "I should be dating hot women."

Underlying Claim: "I deserve the experiences associated with being a high-value male."

Reality for 80% of Men:

  • Overweight
  • Find basic life functions like making meals, taking out the trash, and exercising to be very difficult (may ignore these altogether)
  • Provide no value

If you're in this situation, realize that your thoughts and actions aren't aligned.

When you say: "I deserve hot women," you're implying you're kind of a baller. Not a celebrity or any thing, but a top 20% guy who provides value to those around him.

When you then order Chinese and play eight hours of Xbox every night, your brain becomes confused. It says subconsciously: "You claim you're a Player, and yet here you are eating crap and watching TV again. You little bitch."

It might seem like your weeknight routine has little to do with the Game you spit on the weekends, but nothing could be further from the truth.

If you can't meet your own needs, do you really think you'll be able to fulfill the hottest women in the city? You may lie to yourself to try and cover up the insecurity, but it will always be there.

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Title You Can Barely Make Yourself Dinner, And Yet You Deserve to Date 9's?
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Date 14 December 2016 04:22 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil955 points956 points  (60 children) | Copy

Ok first of all cooking and taking out the trash are beneath me. I am a level 100 Paladin with legendary gear. I one shot epic tier bosses, how's about that for displaying value?

Did I mention I am sophisticated? I have a complex pallet. I know things about Asian snacks you couldn't imagine. Plus I have abundance mentality I'm currently spinning three different plates: Miyaki, Salor Moon and Misty. All of them want to sleep with me but there is only room for one extra plush bodypillow next to this husky manly man!

So don't tell me what to do! You don't bring me Tendies. Who says your definition of masculinity is better than anyone elses? Your just a pussy worshiper litteraly taking out the trash for women. Please...

You wish you could get on my Nicolas Tesla MGTOW level.

[–][deleted] 387 points388 points  (3 children) | Copy

New level cap is 110 faggot, you are an imposter, I bet even your fedora is off brand.

[–][deleted] 195 points196 points  (23 children) | Copy

The Red Pill. Come to learn how not to be a little bitch, stay for Gaylubeoil's rants about how you're still a little bitch.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil127 points128 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'm just helping people identify areas of improvement.

[–]ButtRobot12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

His constant disapproval inspires me to improve.

[–]LexaBinsr9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Random question, what is your opinion of Robert Frank? I saw him while going through Dan Bilzerian's instagram when you mentioned him in one of your posts and the dude's a fucking hilarious goldmine.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

This doesn't bother me at all. If there are dudes who still behave the way they do in OP then Jesus Fuck all. That's pathetic.

[–]p3n1x4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

there are dudes who still behave the way they do

They are a strong majority... Don't be shocked. Shock is weakness.

[–]jackandjill222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you serious? That's sad bro. Good less competition for me.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It someone can't handle this shit. How the hell are they going to start their own career, or finish an advanced degree or something?

[–]VTMSCHVSVCTRY 27 points27 points [recovered] | Copy

My god, that was a good laugh. GLO is quickly becoming my favorite writer. You see, the EC's typically write in a way that suggests I might as well be eating a bowl of nails. GLO goes ahead and makes sure my bowl of nails is appropriately seasoned with lime juice and high molarity rubbing alcohol.

[–]1xwm7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I used to read trp all the time. Years ago it helped me find my way. Glo is the main reason I pop in every now and again

[–]TemperedRhyno22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

I really wish you wouldn't have abbreviated that so I could quote you saying

"GayLubeOil is the main reason I pop in every now and again"

Sounds like a stellar recommendation for a product haha.

[–]babycabes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I find his writing is more about writing things people don't usually say, rather than actually creative or humourous. When he talks about men with a harem of body pillows it just feels like he is making a false enemy out of thin air. Something a group of consumers would normally upvote and respond to by the tens and hundreds. (There's a word for that right?)

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The two concepts are more related than you think.....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude's a Russian spy brainwashing us to be more right wing and supportive of Donald Trump.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Men rarely are motivated by self excuses. We respond better to tough love than hamstering bullshit.

[–]p3n1x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most men need female validation and acceptance today. They ignore the voice of their brethren. They need participation rewards and told that no matter how low their value is, its not their fault.

hmmm, sounds like a women?

[–]maxrp 26 points26 points [recovered] | Copy

Miyaki, Salor Moon and Misty.

are any of them 9's though? (thats OP;s point)

I take out the trash, cook meals and exercise and all I have to show for it is SingleMILF, FatChick and CrazyGirl.

Fancy trading? I'll give you SingleMilf and CrazyGirl for Misty. FatChick makes up for it in bed, shes worth at least 17HB, I'll trade her for a 9HB and an 8HB.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

For those not paying attention, the trash and meals are a placeholder, they aren't pussy unlocked

So much sarcasm, hard to tell which is which itt

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to why guys get with who. Looks, status and game all have their impact. I used to be as skinny as as Steve Urkell but I had status and tight game and I laid a whole string of 7s and 9s. Maybe your game is lacking because sounds like you have the looks sorted. Work on status and game and reap the rewards

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's like this man's dick has the antidote in it!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like a great pick up line. I also tried, "anal sex cures cancer" but then she responded, "well bend over and I'll get my strap on". Clever girl...

[–][deleted] 5 points5 points | Copy

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Theres twenty guys i resoect in here. Wouldnt want to love any of them

GLO is unique in that hes not anonymous, kind of like a wrestler, a personna.

I do take the lead from him

[–][deleted] 18 points18 points | Copy

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[–]fuckingtakeaction12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

I thought you were gay though?

[–]CrazedHyperion20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even being gay takes some effort. Or are you saying that you just lay there as some kind of animal while the boyfriend plows you every now and then?

[–]Mckallidon6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being gay takes way more effort. Real men don't settle for shit lol.

[–]HumbleEngineer3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy


Some folks might need it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

You mean the folks leaving comments in my last two posts?

[–]This1sMyWorkAccount2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can't tip my fedora to you sir any harder...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

instructions unclear, stopped gaming; trash still not taking itself out

[–]p3n1x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

...and dick stuck in nothing... MGTOW

[–]1ShallITinder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay what's going on? Why has GLO been on fire lately? What happened!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok first of all cooking and taking out the trash are beneath me.

[–]masnera1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're comparing you're level of Nikolas Tesla? wow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is a voluminous knowledge of hard core nerd lore, although you are off on the D&D. Level 20 is the top of the XP ladder and +5 gear for magic items (except of course for artifacts). If you really want to impress us former nerds (and current nerds) mention THACO ;)

[–]yumyumgivemesome0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

litteraly taking out the trash for women

Not sure if terrible speller or litterary genius. The pallet/palate and your/you're confusion could be a hint...

[–]filitantmeminist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude Pokemon go is the new masculine

[–]Recon_by_Fire-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Where did you find the time to write that?

[–]massivewang-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You sir, win the internet today.

[–][deleted] 77 points78 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is going to be an entertaining thread.

[–]cnzs23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're in this situation, realize that your thoughts and actions aren't aligned.

That's a great point, it's just that his examples are bad and his prose is shit.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't miss the forest for the trees. It's a good premise and idea behind the thread.

[–]cnzs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most definitely but it's boring and repetitive on using the classic basement nerd as example. What I don't like too much is the use of the word "deserve". It's similar to using the concept of rights; you don't really deserve to get women by being able to perform basic human functions.

[–][deleted] 197 points198 points  (42 children) | Copy

This is a result of watching too much porn.

Dudes beat off to these super hot porn stars and overtime their brains get conditioned associating the hot porn star with their sexual climax.

In reality, girls this hot do not give the average 60-80% dude the time of day unless he is doing her a favor whether it's changing her oil, fixing her computer, or doing her homework.

Those bottom percentile dudes are the ones who are meant to wife up unattractive women. The hot girls are for men who earn a lot of money, are hot, ripped, or a combination of the previously mentioned.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with simply fucking girls in your league. I'll take a 6/7 who's simply just nice, fun to be around, and enthusiastic about sex/genuinely attracted to me over an 8 who's an uptight bitch anyday.

[–]maxrp 42 points42 points [recovered] | Copy

unless he is doing her a favor whether it's changing her oil, fixing her computer, or doing her homework.

or her drug dealing (to which they will offer alternative payment)

[–]p3n1x3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or have coke, don't even have to deal it.

[–]PM_ME_ADEQUATE_BOOBS1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This actually makes a lot of sense. I know an HB9, and that's actually how she would pay for her weed.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (13 children) | Copy

Not necessarily. Women are also attracted to real men. Masculinity, integrity, mental toughness, strength. Men who emanate authority. Even some of those who are hot, ripped, earn a lot of money can be feminized cucks and a woman would surely chose masculine power over that any day.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy

Lol. Show me a "manly" man with authority thats ugly and fat and has no money with a hot woman and I'll agree with you. In fact show me a pattern of this.. a one off isn't good enough.

Keep dreaming.

[–]p3n1x10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your comprehension is failing because of your contrarian lenses. When did /u/Anthonidas say anything about "fat or ugly"??

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Where did I say that my example is ugly and fat? Lol, that was dumb.

[–]excaliboor3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You did follow the elections, right? Or went to college?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is this about trump? You mean that billionaire thats in charge of the free world? And yeah no ugly fatso in college with a few jokes ever got laid with anything other than a 3.

[–]2kez881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well thats just flat out wrong. Fuck tonnes of guys I know who are fat/overweight have fucked hot girls

[–]joh21411 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But... but.. there are some hillbilly fat people who spew mud with their trucks all day. They still get chicks too even if it's their sisters and cousins. Proof I can play Warcraft all day long and get 10/10 chicks.

[–]J-baller-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This dude has been watching too many RSD videos

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy

Where is the scale, anyway? I find I don't even notice unattractive girls, so the moment I lock on she's at least a 6. From there it's a pretty minor difference between 7 and 8, and 9 is just a girl who fits my ideal size (height, ratio), and 10 is pretty hard to award but it's basically just a girl that I can't concentrate around.

Is this the scale? We talk of 10s like it's some mythical beast but like what I consider a 10 might be too tatted up for someone else.

[–]Lice1384 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Is this the scale? We talk of 10s like it's some mythical beast but like what I consider a 10 might be too tatted up for someone else.

Calling women by numbers is common male self help rhetoric to get attention. It's really just a way of saying 10 is your goal and anything less than that is less than what you want. And you hit the nail on the head with the too tatted up thing but as always i suppose im sure someone could educate you on why a tatted up girl is the perfect girl for a cuck.

Im not sure how serious this advice is supposed to be taken.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

if she was actually attractive she wouldnt need ink...

Is that what I was supposed to say?

[–]Lice1388 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

lol something like that but you have to say beta twice and call someone a cuck at least once. You really just need to squeeze as much RP terminology in there as possible like;

Only a beta would want a woman with tattoos, an alpha would pump and dump her. What self respecting man would want to be associated with a girl that displays such low class attributes like tattoos. By covering herself with tats its basically lowering her value and saying that any cuck can plug her (and every Chad probably has). What a real alpha wants is an 18-20 year old 10 that aligns with your goals. But if you want to be a beta and stick your dick in that beta hole, go for it.

[–]BENDERisGRREAT2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Man I was just gonna say you dont put a bumper sticker on a Bentley.

I hate being a cuck ass beta bucks by using the wrong terminology.

Edit: you forgot to mention that the real alpha would have at least ten of those goal aligning women with all the checks marked off but for some reason doesnt represent his unicorn

[–]Lice1384 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

you forgot to mention that the real alpha would have at least ten of those goal aligning women with all the checks marked off but for some reason doesnt represent his unicorn

Oh don't get me started on the Real Alpha™. A Real Alpha™ does not even need to talk or ask questions. He points to his target and then motions towards the bed, then they know its fuck time. I mean he REALLY does it. He does not hold up a limp wrist and point to the bed while his shoulders were raised like it was a fucking question, no. With a firm arm and direct confident actions he does this. Goal aligned women? That's great for men who don't have game, its easy to bang someone who will be your echo chamber/cum dumpster. The Real Alpha™ tells his pack of bitches what their goals are.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's bad juju but I have a thing for a dash of trash in my girls. It'll bite me in the ass, but I don't intend on any kind of LTR within the foreseeable future so eh.

Dunno. There's no conformed scale so when I see a post on seddit saying "boned a HB10" I'm like good job dude then in the comments there's a photo and it's like we need a whaling ship for this level of beast.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You may just get a LTR with bubba, your cell mate, when she cries rape

[–]deville0510 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bullshit. All men want porn star level hotness and talent. We would like to be so lucky/talented/deserving. Doesn't mean that men expect it like anyone who doesn't meet that criteria is beneath them.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

The hot girls are for men who earn a lot of money, are hot, ripped, or a combination of the previously mentioned.

Wrong, this shows lack of experience.

Settling in your lane is not improvement. Always be improving yourself.

Hot chicks fuck 'symbols' and 'ideologies'. If you can walk your talk, most of them are DTF.

By "settling" for a 5/6, you are making their job easy by deselecting yourself.

[–]SetConsumes1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hot chicks fuck 'symbols' and 'ideologies'. If you can walk your talk, most of them are DTF.

An interesting way to put it. Care to elaborate? Make yourself a symbol they want to fuck in so many words essentially.

[–]p3n1x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read so many comments here from the bitter/angry. The upset ones that they aren't tall enough, strong enough, classically chiseled enough.

Women want the things that feed their emotion and tingle their biology.

Sure, we all like good looking things (subjective), but "desire" is a far more powerful attraction. Ever meet that girl that does not fit your typical list or the socially accepted version of what should be sexy/hot fuckable? Yet, you want to do nothing but rail the shit out of her?

Well, the same thing happens with women. Most people put far too much value in what the "conscious" mind wants. What about the rest of the organism? We are a colony, not a singularity. Well, that colony has a forceful say in things also.

Yeah, they are taught they want the hot guy, the rich guy cuz their social status will be greater (social is another body of water all of us have to navigate). Of course many variables are in play. But what about the "biology"? The part of the machine that doesn't give a shit about the conscious minds fantasy land.

-Be clean

-Smell good (companies make cologne because women love it, not because its a conspiracy against your manhood.)(and smell s is a VERY powerful sense, especially for memory, memory spins the hamster)

-Dressed well (clothes that fit and match)

-Charisma (Listen to me)

-Good posture (which usually leads to the gym)

-Confident walk (Look at me)

-Air of strength and confidence .. "I belong right where I am"

-Self Acceptance (I fucking love me)

Just a few things that will make you look "good" period.

Money tends to follow / be a byproduct for guys who get this. Take care of your physical health. Wash your face, get a haircut meant for your face, clean nails .. etc. Be somebody that others actually want to be around.

And for all the beta's that cry foul , "I do this", "I tried this", well, maybe you didn't do it as well as you lied to yourself that you did.

[–]___Jamie___-5 points-4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Ur comment is such a load of bullshit cos no one can really define what "hot" means. Even if its an average of 1-10 grades that like 1000 guys give you, isn't it more benefitial to score a 10 with 20% of the guys and 1 with 80% than to have a really great average?

Point is that the world isn't that simple, and the red pill should teach you how to adapt, not just keep banging your head against the wall. Feel out each woman when talking to her and look back at yourself through her eyes. Try to make her like what you see even if you're skinny and earn nothing. To be honest at least like 30% women like skinny guys anyway in the 18-25 range.

Good luck

[–]n0oo71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

To further support that claim that nobody can define what hot is.. 2 of my brothers like fat chicks, 2 don't. so a 10 to them would be a difference of 100 pounds. You can't tell a man what gets his dick hard. Only he determines that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

your brothers are the uncommon fringe who have a fat fetish.

Some guys have a fetish for getting cuck'd. Some guys like girls to stomp on their nuts in high heels. Some guys fantasize about giantesses stomping on miniature model cities barefoot.

That being said, some fat chicks are fuck-able if they have good proportions. But 99% of the male population would rather fuck a girl with a slim/not overweight curvy figure than a chick who's shaped like a whiskey barrel.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hot is whatever your biology thinks is genetically towards the top for a woman's biology to look like to bear your children.

[–]___Jamie___0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There are a lot of millenials who don't wanna have kids at all

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There are a lot of millenials who don't wanna have kids at all

Why is that relevant? It is still your biology that dictates attraction(what you find beautiful/hot) mostly, followed by social indoctrination and/or beliefs.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

no one can really define what "hot" means.

I can define what "hot" means to me. Likewise you for you.

[–]___Jamie___0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Okay I wasn't being specific. No one can define what it means objectively.

[–]mitzibishi 16 points16 points [recovered] | Copy

Dude nothing matters. I'm plating a girl who is a 5 or 6. She had 6 dates within a month from tinder before she met me. I'm around a 7. Work out. Good physique. Good car. My own house. Money. Can cook anything you want.
Takes about a year to get 6 dates from tinder.

[–]Train3313 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

stop using Tinder and use real life

[–]Wel1082 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

A year to get 6 dates from Tinder.......... is that demographic because that wasn't my experience at all man. I had to get off Tinder because pussy became revolting

[–]mitzibishi 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

Most of the time i refuse and get bored of the merry go round of getting to know you texting. Its either confirmed date that weekend or next or I ghost, or they ghost to the other 100 men they are chatting to.

Lots of the chicks on tinder just want the attention and will never go on a date. I figured that out a long time ago and stopped wasting time on girls who just want to hear their phone beep.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Escalate your texts sooner.

[–]its_gonna_be_legen0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Takes about a year to get 6 dates from tinder

Hate to break it to you man, but you're fucking up somewhere. Either you're not really a 7, or you're boring as hell and don't know how to attract girls.

I'm maybe a 7 myself. Average physique (working on it), shit car, don't own a house, work part time for a little above minimum wage.... and I was getting at least a new date every week when I was on tinder. Shit is not that hard.

[–]RedVladimir0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm curious, what kinds of pictures were you using?

[–]its_gonna_be_legen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty standard ones. 1 = pic of me that a friend took at a party, just me and shows my face. 2 = me out with friends at a bar. 3 = me surfing. 4 = me with my dog.

[–]maxrp 91 points91 points [recovered] | Copy

Reality for OP, it doesn't matter if you're ripped, handle basic life functions like meals, trash and exercise or still don't deserve to date 9's!

basic observation. we are not entitled or deserve women

Money Over Bitches!!

wtf is this random last statement? how does this connect with the rest of your post about deserving?

The really horrible thing you're pushing in your post is that men have to work at this, in order to deserve a hot woman, they must "work hard" "do chores" "be master chef's" fucking utterly bullshit you're shoveling here. Read the side bar.

[–]ialdabaoth20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

The really horrible thing you're pushing in your post is that men have to work at this, in order to deserve a hot woman, they must "work hard" "do chores" "be master chef's" fucking utterly bullshit you're shoveling here. Read the side bar.

Yeah, this. The thing that matters (and the thing I fail at, despite my "impressive" resume) is frame. Have frame, and you can be objectively worthless and STILL win. Don't have frame, and you'll lose every time to fuckers with one-tenth your "value".

[–]Wel1082 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

You're not alone. NO clue why it's so hard to hold frame, despite everything I know, and I've done. It's so fleeting.

[–]P4_Brotagonist7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Probably because of your upbringing. I'm not even kidding. I was raised to be ashamed of everything and never feel good about anything I did, and even now I still can't always shake it.

Not surprising consider I was raised by a single mother with bipolar. The crazy thing is that I developed schizophrenia about 5 years ago and even with a complete like of empathy or caring, I still find myself feeling unsure of myself because it's so entrenched in "me".

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think you're right. It pretty much is a constant "you're not enough" feeling.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People constantly want to control frame, it's immensely tied with power. Whoever currently holds the strongest frame in a conversation and/or group most likely wields the most power.

[–]515sofar-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't need shit to get women, sex is just sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What in your opinions allows you to hold frame? Isn't it having options? Isn't it having your shit together? Isn't it being able to give value?

A neck beard can hold frame all he wants by not self deprecating for pussy, but that still won't get him laid.

[–]Theunforgiven1937 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Read get laid like a warlord. The only thing that matters is frame "I'm a man so i attract women" "I'm enough".

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Red Pill posts have been shit lately. The whole concept of game is gone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

too many fuckers came over from PUA who think game is literally everything. there's nothing wrong with game, but game only allows you to chase girls to get your dick wet. if you have status, the girls chase you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Frame and game are the same thing. But the ones that are faking frame need exercises and routines.

Frame will help everywhere else in your life.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Frame and game are related but not at all the same. Game helps you keep frame.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

'Wrong'. Building your status is a part of the game.

[–]Nagicman113 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

None of that shit matters, you need to be good looking or famous/high status to get hot women, no amount of game or taking out the trash will help you get hot women. You can be good looking and play RuneScape all day and hot women will still suck your dick while you play and then cook and do laundry for you.

[–]circlhat10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cooking and cleaning have little to do with women and more to do with self sufficiency, this post is blue pill in nature. You should learn to cook but it will do little to help you with dating, but than again not everything you do is about 9's or 10's.

Any attempt to shame men into bettering themselves is blue pill and we all know where that road leads

you may lie to yourself to try and cover up the insecurity

What insecurity are we talking about...

[–]ialdabaoth99 points100 points  (73 children) | Copy

Okay. So everyone knows I can cook like a motherfucker. My steaks are to die for. My turkey dinners bring crowds. Fuck, my chicken mushroom casserole is something people come to me and beg me to make for them.

I'm not cut, but I'm well on the skinny side of 'skinny-fat'. For 42, I look like I'm 30 and I've got more muscle definition than most of the 20-something tech nerds.

I make $150K a year at a bullshit Bay Area startup, writing internal QA tools.

I built my own bookshelves in a weekend. 20 foot wall of solid pinewood, stained and detailed, and a hidden "pull the candelabra and the last shelf slides aside to reveal a secret passageway to my bedroom" mechanism above it, with recessed track lighting on the top to light up the whole room.

I make gold and silver jewelry in a forge in my spare time.

I'm the guy people call when they need their car fixed, when they need their furniture repaired, when they need their computer unfucked from whatever ridiculous shit they downloaded. I'm the guy.

I still can't pull a 7, let alone a 9.

And the reason is simple, and it has NOTHING to do with needs. Most of the 20-something shits around me are rolling in pussy, for two simple reasons:

Arrogance, and lack of giving a shit about the future.

I mean, sure, they care about their future. But not a one of them is willing to stand up and fix the mess our society is turning into. Every last one of them just wants to party and get laid while Rome burns.

And it works, because being the kind of person who still cares about building and guarding Civilization, isn't sexy.

So yeah, tell me another.

(EDIT: LOL, I said I made jewelry in a forge. Derp.)

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat57 points58 points  (18 children) | Copy

I think your situation is quite typical of many TRPers: You believe you have a high value by your standards, not realizing the value of a man is in the eye of the women. Women determine the Sexual Market Value of a man, not you. We all kinda make the mistake. If you are good at X, you are quick to assume that X makes you high SMV, hence attractive.

In your examples, making good money, jewelry and fixing cars is high value in your eyes and therefore you think you should attract girls, but as you pointed out, arrogant shits who approach women and don't give a fuck have higher sexual value in women's eyes. They are high SMV.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

This forum used to have a philosophy of enjoy the decline. When did it stop?

[–]SetConsumes7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It didn't stop. Enjoy the decline if you want. Trp does not preach, merely lays out potential paths for you to choose. Enjoying the decline is not the only path.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

What is the point of SMV when women ignore it and against SMV and against hypergamy, choose someone who not only is not their best option but also below them in SMV aswell.

Just to increase your average success rate? Everything is so chaotic.

[–]SetConsumes6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women don't ignore SMV. Rather, men often mistake what they believe adds to their SMV. Being a fixer upper adds to their RMV greatly, far more than SMV directly.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I am not talking specifically for "fixer uppers", but based on this.

Women determine the Sexual Market Value of a man, not you.

Which is true.

But when someone is wealthier, has a good job, he's more attractive by typical standards, has better body etc, and the woman chooses someone who is not only below her availiable choices or her current companion but she's also a 10 and he's a 6.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Can a rich hot successful man act like a BB?

That is what you seem to be overlooking.

The man acting like a BB is lower in SMV than the man acting like AF.

So while she does get wet for his body and status, his personality and behavior can be quite the turn off if he doesn't act alpha enough.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy


So status/wealth/attractiveness mean nothing for a young, beautiful woman which is the target of most men. So they're pointless by themselves, they only come of use when the above not young anymore beautiful woman has ridden so many dicks that she feels like settling down.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy


So status/wealth/attractiveness mean nothing for a young, beautiful woman which is the target of most men. So they're pointless by themselves, they only come of use when the above not young anymore beautiful woman has ridden so many dicks that she feels like settling down.

Not quite. Status, wealth, attractiveness is secondary to attitude, confidence, frame.

If a woman has to choose between two men of equal frame, she will then look at their comparing status, wealth, attractiveness.

So, yes it does matter for women, but perhaps not in the way you wish.

[–]questionac1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But it can never be "equal" frame, someone will be better and that's all that matters.

So all you need is frame then, that's SMV. Frame. All the others are only there for yourself, first impression and settling down. Women will always pick the strongest frame, no matter your other qualities, good or bad.

If you have better looks and status she might give you the chance she didn't give the other guy, but as soon as she meets the other guy you're done.

[–]SetConsumes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

But it can never be "equal" frame, someone will be better and that's all that matters.

For the sake of argument.

And I do think there comes a point where more frame doesn't matter.

Who has stronger frame(just watched Furious 7), The Rock or Vin Diesel or Jason Statham? Pretty hard to determine and mostly irrelevant.

So all you need is frame then, that's SMV. Frame. All the others are only there for yourself, first impression and settling down. Women will always pick the strongest frame, no matter your other qualities, good or bad.

If you have better looks and status she might give you the chance she didn't give the other guy, but as soon as she meets the other guy you're done.

Not quite that dire either. If you're man enough(strong enough frame) and give her enough support and status, she may not have incentive to leave and try to gain a little more and risk losing a lot.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And it also goes against women "dating up" and hypergamy.

A fat slob with nothing to show for and no potential is not "dating up" no matter what his frame is.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your post doesn't make sense. Women are attracted to men with high sexual value and want to be in relationship with men with high relationship value. It's pretty straightforward & trivial. What's chaotic in there?

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But when someone is wealthier, has a good job, he's more attractive by typical standards, has better body etc, and the woman chooses someone who is not only below her availiable choices or her current companion but she's also a 10 and he's a 6.

What I answered above, basically when a woman's choice is against hypergamy and SMV.

Like a man choosing a whale when he could have a model.

[–]Kolbykilla1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you have to explain to a women what your SMV is then you really don't have it. SMV speaks for itself. Telling a girl you've fucked over 100 women doesn't mean shit. Rolling up to a club with a hottie on your arm speaks volumes.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I am talking about the case where she doesn't pick the one rolling up to a club with a hottie or more, but instead the fat slob sitting in the corner alone.

[–]Kolbykilla1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well the fat slob sitting in the corner alone has some sort of value to her. SMV is more then just sex appeal, its about value. What kind of value does that guy provide? Obviously enough to compensate for being a fat slob. Could be a club promoter, could be rich, could have connections to something that girl likes, could be a million things but its beneficial for her to be in a relationship with him, and thats all that matters.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And that's why I said it's chaotic.

There are no constants at all, but how she "feels" like. She gets the feels from a fat slob, game over. You have the genes and have been working out 2h a day for years, means nothing.

That's why i feel all the traits mentioned of SMV, are just for getting one to settle down.

Young beautiful women just want someone to fuck them like an animal, and he can be whoever and look however, so long as she "feels" it.

[–]HS-Thompson23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

being the kind of person who still cares about building and guarding Civilization, isn't sexy

Who knows. But I can guarantee being the kind of person who talks about those things is definitely not sexy. Women don't want to hear your regurgitation of your crackpot political theories, they want to keep their lives light and fun. Try it.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Nah. I disagree.

After you have swooned her with looks, confidence, all the basics. THEN you demonstrate to her how you have mastered political philosophy with condensed and slightly dumbed down rants/lectures... I can attest that bitches get wet for that.

90% of the men she meets keep it "light and fun" by talking about people and events. When you come along and only talk about ideas, trust me you will stand out. And standing out from the pack is what gets pussy.

Light and fun is for teenagery love. Puppy love. Do that if your plate is in the 16yo range.

[–]HS-Thompson1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

you demonstrate to her how you have mastered political philosophy with condensed and slightly dumbed down rants/lectures... I can attest that bitches get wet for that.

The idea that bitches get wet from being on the receiving end of rant-like political lectures has to be the funniest shit I've read in awhile.

[–]TheSlicemanCometh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, it true, women seek men who are dominant physically and intellectually.

Believe it buddy, it's an adaptive trait. Intelligence = more resources.

[–]ialdabaoth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're focusing on the rant-like; he's focusing on the banter.

No one's going to get hot listening to Ben Stein unless they have money. But the bar scene in Good Will Hunting isn't a bad template for how to do it right.

[–]RedAsBlood7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can't pull 7s because you have no game.

Picking up girls isn't complicated or difficult. It just requires practice and calibration to what works for you.

If you really want to pick up women, spend less time doing all that other stuff and go talk to them.

[–]hamsterbator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

yep. no game and likes to make excuses

[–]Returnofthemack312 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

seriously, there are plenty of bum ass dudes getting laid with hotties lol. I've literally fucked hot girls whilst being a complete bum and living AT HOME a few years ago.

[–]CQC310 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, but that's usually because the bum ass dudes have a good social circle with other mostly bum ass dudes, but they can ride that out for a few years while everyone is still young.

Young girls just want to have fun, they don't give a fuck about other stuff until it's wall time, and even then they can just "outgrow" that old circle and find a nice wallet to settle down with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My LTR is an HB8 on a good day. I met her online and I was a broke unemployed 27 year old bum living in my parents basement.

[–]Venicedreaming16 points17 points  (19 children) | Copy

So tell me, where do you usually buy the raw materials for hobby jewelry making?

Also, you sounds too busy to even meet chick lol

[–]ialdabaoth15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

Mostly online. Here's the full setup for my current process:

  • Buy a Formlabs Form2 printer and a dremel.
  • Learn to do 3D design in Blender
  • Design the jewelry in Blender
  • Buy wax casting resin from Formlabs
  • Buy silver or gold pellets online
  • Make some casting sand and a coffee-can crucible
  • Print your form in the 3D printer using the wax casting resin
  • Pack it with casting sand and stick it in a coffee can
  • Pack the rest of the can with sand
  • Light up the crucible and drop in the metal
  • Pour the metal onto the sprue tap on top of the sand
  • Let it cool
  • Pop it out, cut the sprue, then sand and polish the metal with the dremel.

It's about a $4K setup, but it's well worth it for the kind of weird precision work I'm experimenting with.

(Also super fun for making bondage gear with, which is about half of what I meant by "jewelry" anyways.)

[–]kellykebab45 points46 points  (5 children) | Copy

Maybe you're not pulling 9's because you're a bondage nerd who thinks they're protecting civilization.

[–]Endorsed ContributorClint_Redwood9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

You should really try tying down your girls some time. You're missing out on 75% of the fun with sex and it's perfect for building captain/1st mate dynamic.

and /u/ialdabaoth, use investment casting powder instead of sand. It will give you extremely fine finishes, no flash or blowout and you can actually multiprint your castings, use a hot end to sodder them to one main sprue.

[–]kellykebab3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've done it. It's fun.

However, if /u/ialdabaoth is spending a large chunk of his free time designing and building elaborate bondage gear, the odds are that he might be a dork. I'm not sure most models want to be restrained by a guy who fashions high end metal jewelry. The disconnect between this indulgent hobby and his criticism of young guys partying suggests the kind of delusion common to nerds (i.e. even though he's a degenerate, his intentions are pure).

Maybe he's a really cool guy in person, but he's wondering aloud why he can't get chicks and I'm offering possibilities based on clues.

[–]t12totalxyzb006 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

If he enjoys it, let him. Every person has his kinks

[–]digitalbitch41 points42 points  (10 children) | Copy

Sounds like he is enjoying himself way too much to let a needy chick disturb his chi.

[–]Venicedreaming17 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy

He doesn't sound MWGTOW though. He's not pulling 9s because he's in the bay. Bay is male heavy

[–]ialdabaoth10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah, and bay is rich-male-fuck heavy. But if I go anywhere else I won't be pulling 6 figures, and I'm having trouble saving even at 6 figures because the fucking bay is hyperinflated to hell and back.

[–]Venicedreaming7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're paying that sunshine tax. Whatever you manage to save though will set you up nicely for a house with white picket fences in the suburbs anywhere else, especially in Midwest. But they're nothing like Cali life

[–]ialdabaoth-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's sure true. :( Around here I can at least have intelligent conversations.

[–]user_none12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Conversations with ultra liberal women, right? It seems the party chicks are in SF. The ones with it together are in Marin. East bay, eh, I hate crossing bridges to the east. South bay is too damn far. Peninsula, well, it's mostly families.

At least we have awesome weather and tons of outdoor activities in this place.

[–]Wel1080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Come to Miami, FL if you want the crazies.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The average woman in the Bay is way hotter than most other places though

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Came here to say this. Market inequality sucks in the bay area.

[–]Venicedreaming0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's completely opposite in NY though

[–]ialdabaoth-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also there's no way I can handle GMOW. I need a harem again, or my chi will get so yang-heavy I'll start spewing cum from my nipples.

[–]metallica1110 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

twenties women only give a fuck about the manifestation of bad-assery and masculinity in ones' image, not ones' skills. in short - they would rather fuck a guy with a nice beard and tats and a good frame but can't fix shit, over a skinnier guy without masculine "badass" indicators but can build an entire car from the ground up.

your post TOTALLY reminds me of what happened to me a few years ago. girl I tried to pull rejected me because I was not "masculine" looking enough for her (even though I could bench 275 etc - I had a bad case of babyface). she then goes home with this hipster with a HAWT beard she met at a bar that drives a rusty honda civic. 15 mins after leaving with him she calls me saying she is stranded with him on the road in winter with a flat tire on HIS car wondering if I can help replace it (no spare because duhhh, and he doesn't even know how to do it). Being the beta I was, I Drive out there and help replace the tire in FRONT OF the supposdely "masculine" guy, she gives me like 20 bucks for my efforts and drives off to go phuck him at his place.

[–]hb8only 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

oh man..... that's the one hard story.... beta past is hard with trp vision isn't it...

[–]metallica118 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

well I think the point of this was that you can't rely on inward indicators of strength. women want outward indicators. another (extreme) examples - buddhist monks that practive medidation are some of the most poised, stoic, and have extremely strong mental "frame", but do you know any women who finds them sexy?

[–]questionac-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

twenties women only give a fuck about the manifestation of bad-assery and masculinity in ones' image, not ones' skills.

So SMV means nothing for young beautiful women. Only post wall women, which we don't want anyway.

Why are we raising our SMV if it doesn't matter? To make a post wall girl settle for us?

[–]ialdabaoth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So SMV means nothing for young beautiful women.

confused look that is so not what he said. He's describing what SMV is for young beautiful women. You're confusing map for territory.

[–]questionac0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Which is different than what people mean when they say "increase your SMV" and "improve yourself".

What is the point of wealth and status and attractiveness and education and everything, when you're just going to lose to a brute that his lack of everything will be perceived as extremely masculinity and alpha behaviour.

We're talking about the TOP SMV women here. Noone cares if the same woman in 5 years will look to settle for you and your money, the goal is always the young and beautiful.

You're confusing map for territory.

I don't understand this metaphor.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

So IDGAF mentality?

That said, just make it look like you dont care around girls you want to fuck perhaps?

[–]ialdabaoth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, still working on that. Progress is really really slow.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Enjoy the decline. Stop trying to save the world. I know the type and I find them insta beta and repulsive. Not even worth debating about because their logic is idealism. My own brother is this way. I just don't associate with this type. I'm sure women find it triple repulsive.

And yes they tend to work in tech or programming (hey just like my brother) or spend too much time on the internet.

[–]ialdabaoth8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hang out here because you guys are factually correct, not because I share your values. You aren't going to sell me on nihilism.

Yes, I care about getting laid. But I care more about great-great-grandchildren having it better than I do.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You sound super high value, but super busy. Where can women even find you, outside of work?

[–]ialdabaoth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Running local events, at my house when I'm running a party, fuck they could maybe just swipe right on Tinder.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol Tinder is a little too low brow, round these parts. I guess unicorns like you stay in hiding

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This Is demographics. The Bay Area has too many dudes. It's pretty simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

From your username can we assume you also have philosophical interests or it just happened?

[–]Kolbykilla0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Having value though is something people can see, all you're doing is telling us stuff you do/did/accomplish but nothing we can tangibly see by being around you, interacting with you, or observing you. If you have to sit there and explain to a girl well "No,no, no see look at all the cool shit I do, see I have value!!!" You really don't have value. Value speaks for itself.

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[–]ialdabaoth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not a virgin. I had a really awful teens, awful 20s, amazing early 30s, awful late 30s, and what's looking like awful 40s. I'd rather get back to the amazing part.

[–]50red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bay Area you say? Have you tried going full-SJW? You definitely won't get laid but at least you might be allowed to hangout around 9's. Maybe.

[–]IBAR_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And it works, because being the kind of person who still cares about building and guarding Civilization, isn't sexy.

It's called being beta bucks...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not cut, but I'm well on the skinny side of 'skinny-fat'. For 42, I look like I'm 30 and I've got more muscle definition than most of the 20-something tech nerds.

Ok, but what does your face look like? If you're not pulling hot girls, it probably is because your SMV isn't high enough yet. I'd also assume you're more skinny fat (rather than skinny) than you realize. All your other qualities sound fucking great, so the only other option is that you just are not that hot. Work on it.

[–]SirNemesis[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I make $150K a year at a bullshit Bay Area startup

You make that sound like it's an accomplishment. $150k in the Bay Area at age 42?

[–]frealsis9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

The question ain't if you deserve to date a 9 (holy shit, that question is quesy) - the question is; does she deserve to date you?

[–]brasilgringo8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Click-bait title. "Making dinner" is a totally useless indicator of success or value. Sure, if you are a wanna-be Gordon Ramsey it's one more weapon in your arsenal of why you represent value. But if you are high-value in other areas, you may well find making dinner a waste of your time (which is your most precious resource).

I don't clean my own apartment -- I outsource it to my cleaning lady. She does a much better job for much cheaper (time=resource) than if I were to do it myself. Same for "making dinner" -- the restaurants around me do a much better job for cheaper (time=resource) than if I did it myself.

[–]Geleemann28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy

Women looking to fuck don't care if you can cook

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

They also don't care if you have a job or money

[–]J-baller10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

The hottest women I know are with guys who have either money and or social status. None of the Victoria Secret Models are dating homeless hobos

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

correction: having money means shit.. spending and peacocking is the way...

[–]Spurnout0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

True story. A guy I know back home can't keep a job (he's fucked long term in life IMO) but he certainly has no trouble getting laid currently. Gotta be nice to live at home with mommy over 30, hahaha.

[–]robzonpl 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Haha exactly. Cooking? Seriously? I ain't got no time for this, AND I can afford to order quality food daily. Why would I waste over an hour a day on shopping, cooking and cleaning. Better spend that time at the gym.

[–]SetConsumes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think the point is If a man can't take care of himself then he shouldn't expect a hot woman.

Im sure you could cook eggs and basic shit for survival if you needed to.

[–]1empatheticapathetic17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

I really don't know this perfect beta TRP loves to shit on. No one I know is like that or has ever been such a lazy useless fuck. And even the ones who get close have had bitches. This is a completely useless "look how good I am I can do the basic functions of an adult" post.

[–]NaughtyFred1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You haven't seen the "neckbeardnests" subreddit....

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

You can be overwieght, be a shitty cook, ugly, half retarded, but if you deliver extreme value provider and leader of men, you can deserve to have dimes and eat them too. (see TRUMP #MAGA)

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2225 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy

Find basic life functions like making meals, doing the laundry, and exercising to be very difficult (may ignore these altogether)

You sure you're describing men?

[–]cnzs9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

those are basic human functions

[–]Docbear644 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know a 30 year old whose grandma still buys his groceries and does his laundry. the thought of moving out paralyzes him. He has a chick who flirts way too much I hope it's in my head but then she started talking shit about his weight gain with me which i promptly walked away from.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Young men. Not married yet.

[–]Cesare_MA11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say 80% of men are overweight, but it is shocking how many guys don't take care of their bodies. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who lives on a college campus where guys are supposed to be at their physical peak. Just by being in decent shape and wearing a tight shirt I get a good amount of stares.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm over 35 and amazed that I can be around my brothers friends (college students) and be the most physically fit in the group

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Overweight or skinnyfat. Maybe not 80% but easily 60%.

[–]Eastuss2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Well you're on a college campus, people are studying.

It's not like students have no time to take care of their body, but you always have that choice about your free time: study, work out, or chill. When you feel motivated you always choose to study, because you never study enough and you're never finished.

[–]Cesare_MA0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm an engineering student, so I think I know a thing or two about studying. It is 100% up to you whether you make time or not. I still have time to drink and party most weekends too.

[–]Eastuss1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm an engineering student, so I think I know a thing or two about studying.

I am an engineer. I'm therefore superior to you and my opinion prevail. ;)

More seriously, I'm not saying what I said is the right thing to do, nor that there is actually no time. Just that, considering a finite mental energy, most people will decide to allocate it on what immediately matters the most: studying and doing chores.

Don't forget that most students only recently started to wash their clothes and feed themselves, and it's rare that they have working out habits. So, after doing the home work and the chores, there's no energy left to try enforce a new healthy and painful habit, especially when there are better immediate things to do such as eating better and sleeping more.

I was like that, then when I started working, I suddenly had no more homework, and it was a lot better to make room for hobbies and healthy habits.

[–]Cesare_MA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I get your point. I started a solid work out routine over the summer, have been washing, drying, and folding my own clothes since sophomore year of high school, and I get all my food from the dining hall. I didn't need to start something new when I came here, I just kept on working out the same way I'd done all summer.

[–]kabhi23 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

In the US 75% of adult males are obese/overweight.

And 65% Canadian adult males. Its so easy to be top 20% male specimen in N. America.

[–]Cesare_MA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But you're not even competing with most of those men because they aren't in your demographics. For example, I am a college aged person so I am competing with college students. 80% of male college students are def not overweight.

[–]FueledUp6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

No one in life "deserves" anything though, I'm poor as fuck, skinny and fucked 9s (10s dont exist imo)

so whatever man

[–]NaughtyFred3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You got hot face+cool hair right?

[–]TrumpWillWinAmerica 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy

another stupid post that says the same thing as dozens before it. "lift" "cook" "money" "give me upvotes"

then some moronic last sentence

[–]deadlinee4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought self improvement was just that - self improvement. Now you are saying our life decisions should revolve around getting 9's and 10's?

[–]Katavasis8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fo real,i get the point of the thread and why it's amusing and confronts reallity.

But...talking about putting women on pedestal. 'deserve to date a 9?'

What kind of blue pill mentallity is this? What are women so you deserve them?Some kind of candy that your mommy lets you eat after you eat your vegetables?

I am pretty surprised many endorsed members don't underline this. Women are there for you to take.You shouldn't try to win them over with your cooking and your cleaning abillities.Godamn...

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll drink as much as I fucking want mate!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a great game for guilt tripping the shit out of you, "The Sims". Watch as your character has no problem studying 10 hours a day, working out for 2, going to a party, then downing an energy drink so that in a few more months he's now rich and famous, getting lots of sex, living in a nice house by himself, with a nice car, and exotic pet - while you sit in a dark fucking room desperately wishing to be even 1/1,000th as productive.

[–]joh21413 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not even low valued girls want to become your new mom. Your own mom only took that job because she had to and there are hormones in her body that make her imprint on you. No one wants to be your mother or coddle you. Women want to be coddled.

Clearly though being overweight is probably the biggest factor for most men but traits that make you not function in basic necessities like making meals, taking out trash, exercising suggests you're a complacent lazy piece of shit. Why would anyone find that attractive, amirite? Imagine that same quality in a woman and you'll want to stay away too.

[–]RPwhitefrost2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, I never realized how important knowing how to cook was until I cooked for a large group of people at a friend's dorm a couple months ago (they were drunk and hungry, and I was the only one who knew how to cook). The hottest chick there saw that I was making her favorite dish, came up to me, started flirting, wanted to help me, stole my phone and started snapchatting selfies of herself to everyone I know, etc., etc. Started tweeting about how amazing I was and how I was such a good cook. Needless to say, we hooked up two hours later. I'm entirely convinced that it was primarily my cooking that led to that hookup.

[–]Fellero3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You Can Barely Make Yourself Dinner, And Yet You Deserve to Date 9's?

Narcissists and sociopaths prove your theory wrong.

Its all about entitlement.

You can be the head honcho of a big company but internally, if you still feel like a loser, women aren't going to find you sexy and will just hang around for your money.

Viceversa when it comes to a sociopath that feels like a boss. Women are gonna love him regardless of how much of a loser he actually is because he feels entitled to all the quality pussy.

Women don't think, they follow their feelings.

[–]Hviterev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Both of your pov link up tbh. He claims that it won't work because you know deep down you are Shit. Psychopath don't because of their illness. Unless you are one, chances are, if you're a fat fuck who can't cook nor put the trash out, you don't have the frame to be so confident.

[–]RedOtkbr14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some women love men that can cook. Im not attracted to lazy women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

don't forget attraction is not always sexual arousal

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And women aren't attracted to lazy men. I believe that is the point of this post.

[–]tedcase2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am not over weight, I exercise daily, and i am a fucking awesome chef when the occasion calls for it.

I can also fix most mechanical things, am a pretty decent carpenter, Play 3 instruments well, speak two languages and im very good with my hands. I earn above average for my age and do a job people respect. Where are my fucking 9s?

[–]t1hr52 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not a reality. Reality is your height, face and physique mostly. If you can't make it, then status. Most men can't gain status, so if big 3 are also not there, then it does not matter if you are fat and level 100 paladin or a top 10 student at hardest course at university, play musical instrument very well and have visible muscle on you. You still don't register on chicks radar. Just because you are not looking manly, don't have good face or height. If you are ripped, then you are overcompensating for height or average face. If you are fat, still no one cares or notice. If you hit on girls, you are creepy, if a Runescape player is good looking, then he's amazing and his hobby is great and interesting. Having lived in 4 countries in Asia and Europe, women were all the same. And I am not the level 100 paladin guy.

[–]Top_Trump1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Truth. I think this is especially true of men that have let themselves go and who could, at one time, get top tier women. They fail to adapt their expectations to their current actions.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start lifting. Start a business. Eat healthy.

[–]Coach_DDS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the fundimental truths of life... is you don't deserve shit. Nor are you entitled to anything. Everything in life you get... you get by working and sacrificing for.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Misleading title but has some merit within. I don't know what the deal is with all focus on cooking around here. GLO already made fun of this fact but yeah, why cook when I have women to do it? I can cook myself a healthy gainsful meal that tastes half decent but if I got a female in my life, she's becoming my personal chef within the first month. Maybe it's my upbringing. One of the few things about women I heard from my old man is that if they don't cook for you, they don't love you. Same goes for swallowing btw.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i really need to learn that the 80/20 rules is in effect and sex doesn't happen on a scale. either you are in the top 20% and get it. or you get nothing!

[–]Pomandres1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Body Over Bitches

Mind Over Money

Spirit Over Superciliousness

[–]TheFirsh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't find those difficult just hard to schedule as I'm always busy. How am I supposed to conjure and eat quality food every 3-4 hours and still immerse myself in the work. It's like I'm eating all day with breaks for work. Every time I feel like on a super highway of work then bam suddenly a stop to have a meal. And I'm still a starving artist.

[–]1StoicCrane0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Contrary to what TRP promotes in a sense we're all "snowflakes" if you will. Out of all of the infinite possibilities that could've popped out our mons' rears we're the ones who made it to the otherside.

We're friggin champions..but everyone of us has prove it in order to experience our callings and a life if genuine fulfillment. By no means does it drop out of the sky and no means are we entitled to reach and experience our full potentials. It must be earned!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This comment section is the clearest display of male hamstering I've ever seen. If you're new I recommend ignoring it completely.

[–]mdcrubengonza0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No wonder they get scared about being called rapists if they make a move on a girl.

[–]sadbasturd990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

20% guy who provides value to those around him

What value does a 20% guy provide to those around him ?

[–]AFuckYou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly, overweight really is just the problem. Sex becomes difficult at that point, everyone knows it. Unless the chick has just sworn off sex, it's an automatic sign that the sex in gonna be lame or shitty.

[–]slothsenpai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What you're describing are omegas, not betas. Omegas are the typical fat and lazy types who provide no value nor skill whatsoever (unless you count gaming or anime as one). Betas on the other hand can be goodlooking or have other redeeming traits such as being intellect, rich or even funny. Despite them having a bit of value to themselves, the only reason they don't fuck 9s is not because they're "undeserving" but rather lack the game, frame and mental capacity to do so. How do you explain guys that are poor as fuck or even ugly, manlet drug addicts who manage to pull the type of girls that they wouldn't even be allowed to say hi to without having a sexual assault label slapped on them (maybe that's an exaggeration but you get my point).

[–]515sofar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What if you can't be bothered to make the effort as the opportunity cost cost of making an effort exceeds your desire for the proposed reward.

[–]osbaldovargas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All you need is eggs, ham, coconut oil, some vegetables and YouTube. Get creative.

[–]ScottishIslander0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The ability to make dinner has almost nothing to do with dating HB9s. It only helps to keep them from fucking around on you and maybe shit test you less.

Your physical attractiveness, ability to dress well, confidence, social status and game are what get you HB9s.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i mean.. good points to work on yourself for sure, but its not the truth. some of my friends literally can't cook and live like shit. don't work out either, but their game is top notch and they pull pussy left and right. still, i couldn't live like they do. that's just filth.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What is funny is that I can cook healthy, good-tasting meals that your average basic bitch could never do. The values of domesticity are lost in most sluts of our generation.

Your average beta male is used to junk food, shitty carbs and the like-- they can't let go of their passions. It's like trying to watch a fish out of water with most beta males; they simply don't have the discipline required to do what is in their own best interests. Instead they ween themselves on junk food, porn, video games, weed, etc.

As with the principles of delayed gratification, swallow the bitter pill now or get rammed by life's strap-on at a later point.

[–]1PantsonFire12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Find basic life functions like making meals, taking out the trash, and exercising to be very difficult (may ignore these altogether)

How is cooking difficult? You know how much I suffer on a daily basis working in the army? I used to do nothing but train before I enlisted and I let other people cook for me or I would prepare simple meals.

Cooking is not something that's a required feat that needs to be perfected in order to get pussy. Most guys that can cook wouldn't be able to repair their car. Yet I can survive for months behind enemy lines. I just don't know the perfect blend of spices to season a chicken.

There's a big difference between knowing how to cook eggs, prepare sandwiches, make a healthy carb dinner that gets the job done. And cuisine that's only achieved after pouring all your time in cooking. I'm a man so that's off the table.

[–]Kryptic_Knight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You deserve anything you can will into your possession. For some its Sailor Moon body pillows...for others its 9's. I've seen fat slobs take slimmies to Hogville due to game...ultimately you're putting the pussy on the pedestal. No one should have to do anything more than talking their way into pussy....don't know how to cook, clean or lift? Doesn't matter.

[–]5t3fan00 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

when i hear any adult man saying "i deserve X" that's a huge red flag to me, and i mean Jupiter-huge.

[–]StudntRdyTeachrApear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I The point is being missed because guys are comparing this to girls around the 5-7 range. 9/10's most certainly have far less patience for stuff like gaming. They literally have life on easy mode to an extent youre unwilling to acknowledge. That's why a lot of guys find it more trouble than it's worth to put up with.

And before you bring up settling, is it not a form of settling to give up things you would otherwise enjoy in your free time just to appease a higher quality girl for any amount of time? This is a fine line.

I think it comes down to the general lifestyle of the person. If youre capable of accumulating real wealth, and you're attractive/alpha, high quality woman no longer seem to require appeasement. Instead, they come with the territory. Which is why they say...Disregard females, aquire currency.

After initially reading through the comments and thinking OP posted another low quality and redundant message, I have to admit that I changed my mind writing this stupid comment before bed. He just didn't package his message eloquently. No wonder the armchair theorists are perturbed.

Edit: Lastly, after re-reading the OP, yea, definitely no wonder there's people calling it out for seeming retarded. If it takes this much effort to inject clarity into the underlying substance of a post, then it deserves criticism. But then again, so do the people whose first reaction was to defend their degenerate lifestyle with holy might.

[–]niceguy_gone_cad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OK, OK. I'll learn to make simple salads and omelettes and will settle for a 8.5

[–]Lice138-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would argue that I take care of myself so well that I can afford to spend 6 hours playing xbox, intelligent people have more free time. if I want to and with my excess money i can buy and eat Chinese food, should I choose.

[–]kasper138-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't want to date them I want to fuck them. You go make all your money and while you're off working I'll be in your bed fucking her.

[–]viktorpodlipsky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Kid pls... Stfu or i tell momma. Bigmouthing is stupid. Get some manners, cuck.

[–]Taguroizumo-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can cook very well thank you!!! Do I deserve a 9? That it is kind of relative, would i like to date top tier women sure. ( i think my best is maybe a strong 6\weak 7. ) Sure people that want constant 9's need to provide the goods aka being in shape, be a great conversationalist, have money also is vital but there are plenty of times that "ugly" men do hit the jackpot. But just because a guy plays say 700 hours of skyrim or 2000 plus hours of destiny doesn't imply he thinks he is a player.

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