The pre-fuck conversation is one big autism screening test

PaperStreetVilla · 2016-12-16T14:34:16+00:00

To the bozo reporting arch for being married and giving advice. Rollo is married, and now an empty nester.

Men are here based on value, full stop

MentORPHEUS · 2016-12-15T19:58:18+00:00

Even at the plate/FWB level, I prefer ongoing or long term relationships. I used to babble on merrily about relationship intentions, thinking it was a necessary precursor to sex.

TRP helped me solidify the concepts that relationship talk is the woman's prerogative, and to STFU and just escalate.

Once I learned to leave initiating relationship talk to her, I was amazed how little emerged and how late in the process it came! (AFTER we've slept together many times in most cases.)

bowie747 · 2016-12-15T19:41:23+00:00

Quality post!

Is there any social skilled guys here who want to share how did you get good? Especially in the approach and early interaction.

I feel very self-conscious when interacting with strangers for the first time. With people I'm comfortable is very easy. I don't even want to focus in getting laid I just want to improve my social skills while sober. Where to begin?

blackedoutfast · 2016-12-15T20:20:39+00:00

good post. friendliness and familiarity DESTROY a woman's sexual attraction to a man.

AragornOfTheDunedain · 2016-12-15T18:31:24+00:00

That is how you get laid. Be hot, escalate, don’t be socially awkward.

Clear, concise, brutally honest. This is redpill sexual strategy in a nutshell. Thank You!

NeoreactionSafe · 2016-12-15T18:59:27+00:00

Some historical analysis might help here.

In the "pre-Child Support" era when women had to be very concerned about gaining the emotional attachment of men in order to survive they were in a position to actually care.

These days women can fuck a guy... take his DNA... then simply ride the Child Support Family Court induced male slavery until the child becomes an adult.

She is looking for a new thing now.

The post-natural woman is no longer survival dependent.

This new woman is after thrills... sexual thrills.

So stop being the "Gentle Man" to her... the "Age of the Gentleman" died when they started letting women vote.

BestSC86 · 2016-12-15T20:20:34+00:00

"Most game aficionados will tell you that a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation"

All well and good to claim something, but without examples it comes across as blowing smoke.

Can your method of proper pre-fuck conversation method translate across multiple venues of interaction?

If they involve only the gaming of severely drunk girls in a dark dance club then they might not be usable to anyone but club PUA "aficionados".

brettfromtibet · 2016-12-15T19:22:49+00:00

Great post! The big one is #3

Be a lover, not a friend.

Neverd0wn · 2016-12-15T20:00:06+00:00

Fair enough but how do you do it? Any practical advice?

zephyrprime · 2016-12-15T21:33:48+00:00

I agree with what you're saying however there is a big flaw in your post. You frame step 3 purely in negative terms without positive explanations or demonstrations of what you're supposed to do. You saw that you shouldn't say loser shit - fine. Well what is the winner shit you are supposed to say? You need examples of this; or do you not know what they are yourself?

Darmok-on-the-Ocean · 2016-12-16T08:29:49+00:00

I'm not offended by the post title, but I do feel the need to say that I'm autistic and don't really have a problem with woman or getting sex. (Though it took some effort to get here.)

I don't really like people using "autism" as parlance for "awkward loser."

RPmatrix · 2016-12-16T12:50:41+00:00

fantastic post ... well written, to the point and Bang on!

this needs to be repeated;

So many guys approach girls with the best of intentions, then start talking and talking, trying to find some kind of common ground with the woman. Something to talk about. To make a friendly connection. To try to establish some kind of emotional intimacy. To actually chat with her, like you might with your friends. They think that this makes a woman comfortable with them, makes her like them, and makes her more willing to go home and fuck them. And that seems pretty logical, because we’ve spent our whole lives thinking women are supposed to want emotional intimacy before having sex, and women have spent their whole lives convincing themselves that emotional intimacy precedes sex. And it sure would make sense if emotional intimacy preceded sex.

And Arch is spot on with his ways to 'fix/stop' this type of behavior, for as he says at the end and I couldn't agree more;

a pre-fuck interaction with a girl is night-and-day different than a normal conversation, because you’re not having a conversation. You’re exchanging demonstrations of social aptitude.

Exactly, it never failed to amuse and amaze me 'how different' women become when they're naked in your bed, and how much their behavior changes bot towards you and in general, after some really satisfying sex!

"friends and sex" don't mix when gaming girls

Like this Aspie guy says about hitting on women! lol "Going for the cunt"

Then you start kissing down the neck… Now the whole time you’re doing this, you’re working your way downwards towards the cunt. Now, you know you’re going to the cunt.. She knows you’re going to the cunt.. Everybody knows… you’re going to the cunt. But for some unknown reason, you have to act like you’re NOT going to the cunt, and that you’re enjoying the journey down this creature…

... So you keep kissing down… And now you’re at the cunt. But even when you get to the cunt, you have to act like you’re not at the cunt. You have to act like you’ve stumbled upon the cunt by accident…

... This all takes between ten and forty minutes… and she MIGHT be wet. And that’s the foreplay that’s necessary for a woman. Now, the foreplay that’s necessary for a man: We just need to see you naked. Maybe you need kisses, caresses, compliments and licks… But all we need is you… Maybe we take our relationship seriously…

When a man approaches a woman he plans on bonking, he won’t have much luck if he just directly asks her for sex. No, he has to start out by initiating a conversation about something else entirely, while at the same time subtly hinting that he’s interested in her. He has to act like he’s not doing what he really is doing. The girl generally knows perfectly well what he is doing the entire time, but insists on him pretending that he’s not doing it. She knows perfectly well he’s going to the cunt, but makes him act like he’s not going to the cunt.

I find this to be one of the most baffling aspects of neurotypical behavior. To me, it seems almost sadist! A girl would reject a guy who comes to her with a direct, honest approach, but accepts the guy who tricks her into sleeping with him. Essentially, whoever is the best liar will have the most success. Whoever can approach his task in the sneakiest manner possible will get the best results. Seducing a woman often amounts to little more than a “dishonesty test” of sorts.

It’s no wonder so many marriages fail. That is, aside from the fact that marriage involves having sex with only one person for your entire lives, but I don’t want to go off on that tangent for this article; it’d complicate things too much. I mean, it’s no wonder so many marriages fail, given that the first thing that attracted the couple to each other is how well they can lie; how well they can act; how good their “game” is. This acting is something that requires a lot of energy, and can’t be maintained 24/7. Once you start living with someone, you’ll eventually get to know what type of person they really are, and might realize he/she is just an ordinary, boring asshole.

So what the hell is the logic behind all of this subtlety? Is it simply for the sake of a more aesthetically pleasing seduction, or is there actually a scientific reason behind it? As an Aspie, it makes no sense to me! Why would the personality trait of being a good liar be such a desirable one?

I think this guy's pov is hilariously spot on! Pretty fucking funny too!

farooq7 · 2016-12-16T10:54:47+00:00

"Respect women enough to try and actually fuck them" my new motto

MrAnderzon · 2016-12-15T20:26:19+00:00

How do you know your doing what this post said correctly

BluepillProfessor · 2016-12-16T02:56:16+00:00

Respect women enough to actually try to fuck them.

I think this is one of the reason why Married Red Pill works most of the time. Honesty means telling your wife that you are horny and plan to fuck her later. If you do the dishes or any other covert contracting it is not sexually appealing but even more so it is actually disrespectful.

Daansn3 · 2016-12-16T06:22:19+00:00

After reading this self-esteem boosting title I myself ( a person with autism) am left with one question.

So I should just fuck off, not procreate and die? I already know this isn't the case because I have the unwavering belief that I am worth just as much if not more than 99% of humans. I simply do not like to look you in the fucking eyes while talking and when I do I can't for the life of me figure out what your expression is actually saying(I get it right about 50% of the time now. yay me).

And since I (luckily) didn't have to depend on a shit theory like yours to teach me I succeeded.

is crap. Its about the body language. body language is affected by self esteem and self worth. A good upbringing helps with having the self esteem and confidence and in the short run so does looking fit and/or well dressed. However, what you need is to like yourself just for being you, even if you're badly burned. If looks mattered game would not work and in my experience, game works. Dont assume you know what women think is attractive, the remainder of your post proves you don't.
you are brushing over just about everything but yeah sure, escalate. saying flirty stuff doesn't fall in this area though, intent does. I can flirt with 2 girls who are at a venue together, the one I want knows I'm flirting with her for real. She also knows I'm smart enough to realise that the other doesn't want to be left out of the conversation and appreciates that. (old pua things call it social proofing I think.)
loser shit? Being socially awkward is just a state of being. Wouldn't acting all outgoing and forcing conversation be loser shit, since it undercuts that core belief that I am good enough and thus makes the whole game crash down. If I want to fuck without the girl knowing the real me I will get a professional and lie. Being socially awkward is something I have to work around, since silence creates tension. That tension needs to be released with a compliment or joke, or even a topic of conversation about something I like. Thats how you find out if there is common ground, if there isn't you just move on to the next. why the fuck would I want to talk with something who doesn't habe a single thing in common with me? (note how this all ties in to the belief that I am who I am and I am fine with that, even if other people think it's awkward).

Also, with talking sometimes less is more. Silence makes people want to speak. When people talk to fill silence they often reveal what they are thinking about your behaviour. This might be creating a hurdle for some people since it is more effective to talk a lot.(at least more than I do) However, for someone who can't read faces reliably it provides an alternative.

Your last part about pre sex convo being a test is hilarious. It isn't, it's to get to know you, maybe emotionally invest, but at least to asses if you are going to murder her in an alley or not. If you want those flakes to stop, start making your intentions clear and make her emotionally invested in wanting to see you again. This again can range from potential spouse to "guy at bar that had something"

Sex is a prerequisite to love. So asexual people can't love another human being?

sidenote: I hope you don't love your parents, because where I'm from that shit is illegal. Or your feeling emotion might be a little dependant on physical affirmation. (this is one of those self esteem things again. YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH, even if no one ever hugged you when you were little.)

It is cute that you say being socially weak makes you a loser. From what I am reading, it seems like you're advocating getting your confidence externally from women validating you because of your appearance.

There is really no depth in a shallow man I guess.

Don't get me wrong going to the gym is fucking great but the boost in confidence you should be getting should be from the working hard for your own health.

Female friends often say that someone showing his muscles mostly tells them that the guy will have an inflated ego and shrunken balls.

"The last thing her subconscious wants is for her to go home with a hot guy, then find out that he’s weird and socially awkward and she might be pregnant with autistic loser genes."

So instead of becoming an actual person with depth and a develloped personality you advocate being a shallow moron who can talk about nothing actually worth talking about because you're afraid she will get emotionally invested and want to actually see you again. Instead you tell us to talk about....the weather or something? I'm really drawing a blank here. Anything she wants to talk about I guess, since we already know that the man in this situation is all brawn no brain. How does this show your social fitness?

isn't there this thing about not putting a girl on a pedestal? why the fuck are you presenting anything at all?

Maybe after showing how socially you are you can show her how fast you can run. Casually name drop the kind of car you drive while buying her and all her friends shots to show your financial fitness.

how about treating her as an equal you want to fuck? wouldn't that make way more sense? The problem most guys have is that they talk like they are talking to another guy.

It has to be clear that you have a dick and are interested in her vagina. You don't try to establish anything, you simply say things you think are worth saying, which they are because you think they are. Out of that a conversation emerges and during that conversation you get to see their personality and they get to see yours (assuming you actually fucking developped one while getting swole) During this conversation you make your intentions very fucking clear.

I might have trouble with understanding what other people mean when it differs from what they say. But at least I actually am an actual person and not some steroids&validation junky.

Most game aficionados will tell you you're lying. it is very much like a normal conversation between a man and a woman. Only instead of it being platonic flirting there is actual dick behind it. You are having a conversation with a potential mate not with a friend.

what the fuck are you even saying when you try to show how social you are without having a converaation.

Are you so social that no one ever says anything to you after you talk? If that is the case I have some very sad news for you.

If you're actually a good person like most people it isn't deceptive to be friendly and or make a connection you just also need to be clear about your inentions with her.

This might blow your mind but you can be friendly and want to fuck at the same time.

I know this is probably news to some of you but you can be friendly to women while at the same time being perfectly clear that you want to fuck them.

Disrespectful is thinking that you can't share interests before she has proven that she is a good lay.

If you're in this subreddit the female role models probably weren't very good ones. I should know, there was a reason I subbed in the first place. But I urge you to get over it. So what if your mother didn't give you enough hugs. Stop blaming an entire gender for your fucked up family relations. Get a personality and deal with it like the man you are pretending to be.

This became rather long. But its really hard to put in words how much of a fucking idiot OP is while also explaining why. The language and wording in OP's post is the same as with many of us who had a less than ideal youth. Lack of validation of the person himself and conditional love as opposed to the unconditional love a child absolutely NEEDS to develop a healthy self image. This shifts into blaming women for problems and a victim mindset.

It is profoundly telling that you see sex as a prerequisite for love but reject having a conversation before having sex. Saying that you first need to present your social/physical fitness to a woman which will prove you are worthy of attention. Conditional love from a maternal figure is hard to correct. Even while you think you're not putting women on a pedestal you still feel the need to get their (mommy substitutes) approval before you can feel confident

Areu4realm8 · 2016-12-15T23:28:28+00:00

lifting , eating well, and taking care of yourself makes you normal. attractive men are rare.

dammit_redskins · 2016-12-16T00:44:53+00:00

Sooo what if you are balding pretty badly at 21 years old? #1 pretty much impossible even though i am otherwise very attractive. It isn't like being fat, if i was fat I'd work my ass off to get in shape, but no matter how much money i spend, or how much time i spend on my hair, it still falls out.

This is such a confidence destroyer knowing that 99% of guys my age have perfect hair. I basically have to go for mediocre looking girls only.

Sorry for the rant but i had to vent. Any advice?

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Ohzein · 2016-12-16T10:08:07+00:00

3,499,999,999 more women out there

I cringe everytime I read this shit

SkoomaIsaHellOfaDrug · 2016-12-15T22:21:48+00:00

As someone with actual autism, this made me literally laugh out loud.

Women who do this pre-screening bullshit usually aren't worth my time anyway. I'm perfectly happy getting to know and hooking up with like-minded individuals

The_shrekler69 · 2016-12-15T21:48:00+00:00

Women just want an aggressive, testosterone filled male, not some blue pilled cuck who talks about feelings and has a needle dick

dietturds · 2016-12-16T03:03:06+00:00

Respect women enough to actually try and fuck them.

Fuck. Yes. Good post OP

Betterthanuatlife · 2016-12-16T09:08:37+00:00

Which is why you don't drink. I turn into an awkward fuck with no kind of mental filter who says anything and everything on my mind after only a few drops

[deleted] · 2016-12-16T12:32:10+00:00

Intelligence? we all love it!

Social intelligence? meh, that sucks... that's not really intelligence, it's only trash-talk... who wants that.

Truth: You need social intelligence to understand that women do not consider themselves (or don't like to anyway) very smart and they like to be valued for pussy and beauty (but not get called out of it by perceived betas) so we must acknowledge both those facts when dealing with them. Knowledge, clarity and adaptability are all signs of intelligence. Social intelligence asks for all of them.

By simply presenting ourselves as "intelligent" we both bore her because she's not here to discuss shit (or if she is, you would anyway need to stir the conversation/focus away from it) and we stress her by holding her to a standard she likely doesn't meet or want to meet.

[deleted] · 2016-12-16T17:14:56+00:00

This is pretty much the formula of Mark Manson - http://postmasculine.com/improving-quickly.

Summary:

1 -Lifestyle — determines the quality of women you date.
2 - Overcoming Anxieties — determines the quantity of women you date.
3 - Calibration — determines the efficiency or your meet/dating ratio.

BobbyPeru · 2016-12-16T22:00:24+00:00

This is a great post, but the farther I get down the comments, the more autistic I get

RedPistola · 2016-12-15T21:07:07+00:00

To clarify, is a proper pre fuck conversation one that seems like friendly chat in the surface level, but displays your social prowess covertly?

If not, then what is the actual distinction when you essentially say that they're not the same?

cobalt1728 · 2016-12-15T21:41:30+00:00

Is there a guide on what to say to demonstrate the social fitness mentioned here?

Herpnderp145 · 2016-12-16T00:30:20+00:00

I guess looking at it, it's all about being comfortable in practically any situation. My point is that as long as she feels secure, you have it in the bag.

Gearski · 2016-12-16T01:51:11+00:00

Where do I start to become more socially fit? Anyone got any reading material/insight?

traveldeedee · 2016-12-16T02:39:35+00:00

SO, HOW DO YOU TALK TO THEM?

You spend 100% of the time explaining the problem. What's the solution?

manvscar · 2016-12-16T03:42:01+00:00

You forgot step one - Demonstrate Value

anooblol · 2016-12-16T05:09:45+00:00

Relatively number 3 isn't too hard. Attractive women are way more socially awkward compared to men. Just be able to stimulate ANY sort of conversation, and you're golden.

segagaga · 2016-12-16T05:55:34+00:00

Point 3, while fairly accurate and on point, does not always apply and often is a difficult sticking point for a large groups of people, often because it is arbitrarily and inconsistently applied (because feelz before reals). There are also some people who for a variety of reasons cannot execute point 3, such as those with social anxiety or language barriers.

For example, men who are deaf will not pass this stage irrespective of what they say.

[deleted] · 2016-12-16T11:20:15+00:00

Great post, a lot of social awkwardness and weakness in men comes from excessive use of pornography and that turns them into brain-foggy, cowardly cucks. Stop wasting your seed fellas, It's the best move I've ever done in my life.

MikePatton-yakyakyak · 2016-12-16T12:12:05+00:00

You didn't even give an example of a "pre-fuck conversation".

maroo12 · 2016-12-16T14:03:12+00:00

girls can feel sexual energy. if you're talking to her with a clear goal '' to fuck her'' you will be successful 99% of the time. when you're talking to her because you think she's unique and you think that you ''love'' her. you're SCRWED. because she feels that it's a compliment that you see her in a sexual way and she'll like you for it. and..you..will..fuck..her. there is no fucking love.

hellshigh5 · 2016-12-16T17:24:01+00:00

"Scan for autism and mental illness"

You could also put : drug induced state of mind

The_Dank_Astero · 2016-12-16T22:09:22+00:00

Nice, but I have never actually had a girlfriend, so this may be challenging.

mercurymarinatedbeef · 2016-12-16T23:46:29+00:00

tldr; you seem like an autist

greaserboi · 2016-12-17T05:36:29+00:00

Kudos! One of the best posts. I keep reading this daily to set my frame.

kevin32 · 2016-12-15T23:49:12+00:00

A woman does not want to fuck a socially weak man, so she needs to screen men that pass the appearance test for social fitness. The last thing her subconscious wants is for her to go home with a hot guy, then find out that he’s weird and socially awkward and she might be pregnant with autistic loser genes.

I agree with much of the OP except here. To my bias the pre-fuck conversation usually applies if the guy looks decent but not hot. His looks don't turn her on or off, so she allows conversation to see if his words can stimulate higher arousal that his looks couldn't.

But if you actually look hot (8 and above), then she is willing to skip conversation and go straight to sex. In these cases, she might pretend conversation to not appear shallow and fast, but all she's thinking about is getting you between her legs as soon as possible. Sometimes physical escalation isn't even needed because your body has already turned her on. All you need to do is close.

"Lust at first sight" exists for women too.

DarkStar-88 · 2016-12-15T23:22:13+00:00

Haha what a joke number one is! I thought you people were supposed to be in touch with so-called "reality"?

whyalwaysm3 · 2016-12-15T23:33:50+00:00

"awesome hair" so you basically just excluded all bald guys from this even though I see plenty of bald guys with gorgeous women. Hair has nothing to do with getting a woman, if a woman chooses not to interact with you because you might be bald or shave your head why would you even want to interact with someone so shallow? She's already giving you a red flag, see it for what it is.
Please don't listen to OP and start to randomly touch women you're chatting with. You go off of how the conversation is going, her vibe, her comfort level, etc. You don't just randomly touch a woman just because you're chatting with her, that's creepy as fuck. You know how you know you can touch her? When it's obvious she is feeling you.
I can agree that a lot of men AND women have no social skills. But it's simple to interact with a female. Don't brag about your job or money or cars unless you know she's a gold digger and all you want is to get laid or have her use you for money while you use her for sex. Ask personal questions, humans in general love talking about themselves. Within 5 mins of the convo the girl will know whether she will ever date/fuck you so if the vibe isn't improving and she isn't asking much about you or giving one word answers, chances are she's already written you off.

seanster94 · 2016-12-16T04:51:28+00:00

This would not help anyone get laid. Quit being delusional and mad at the world. Girls are awesome, learn to love them for who they are, otherwise they won't love you back.

Quit attaching so much pain to your experience with women, and you will see that the world is a beautiful place full of love.

iamneptuno · 2016-12-16T08:29:31+00:00

If you eat right, work out, groom, and wear clothes that fit, it’s pretty much impossible to not be good-looking enough to get laid.

Enough with this bullshit. Yes, there are naturally sub 6 males, that's exactly why we have numbers between 1 and 5, genius.

Ironically, it's even easier -- all you need to do is stop being fat and shave the neckbeard. If you look good, congratulations, that's a good choice on genes you've made; otherwise, just forget about being preselected by your looks.

WhorehouseVet · 2016-12-15T21:42:23+00:00

It's not that I disagree with the red pill, it's posts like this that made me run screaming. All this 'look hot, dress nice, LIFT, WOO-HAH' BULLSHIT. You're all inherently hypocritical DUMBASSES who fail to find any other validation in life other than having your DICK sucked.

Really? Is that all there is to it? When this bitch is sucking your dick, does that make you go 'wow, I'm such a success now, I've totally made it, this bitch is sucking my dick!'

Tell you what. I had my dick sucked by some nice bitches. Also, I don't lift. And while my dick was being sucked, I was thinking 'so, this is it? Am I living a desirable lifestyle, worthy of envy?'

No, I didn't.

Bunch of regressed low-iq'd jocks. Fuck this sub.

viktorpodlipsky · 2016-12-16T16:41:57+00:00

Oh man, your post is so beta, that I am sad for you. And its all so much oversimplificated, that it is almost unusable as an actuall advice.

1/ You have to be attractive for woman you decided to fuck. You dont need to be attractive for everyone. Although sometimes it is about that generic "some muscles, good clothing, awesome hair", you have to understand that 1000 woman=1000 various opinions about what is attractive on a man. If she does not like the way you dress and how you look, well, why to care and why to try, there is a plenty of others. What worked for me was allways me being me, because if you not act what you are, than you are always more real for her. Woman are very good in analysing the fact that you are trying to fake her about what you are, so dont give her chance. If you think that you need muscles, awesome hair, good clothes, than you are just a beta cuck, because you internalized that woman agenda so much...

2/ Dont touch her before she does. It is socialy awkward and a bit weird, but more damaging for you is the fact that you also are giving away too much info about how interested in her you are. Hold your horses, you can touch her later on more attractive spots.

3/ Again some plain generalization and simplification. So many times is I was socialy awkward on purpose. Its a game and that means that you are not tryharding it. You are having fun, thus you are real, not faking her, not faking yourselves. Again, she probably will realize very soon that you try to convince her that you are somebody else. And your game is fucked at that point.

I am the one to choose whom in want to fuck. So i am setting the rules. All that "be hot, have amazing hair, dont be socially awkward"...thats so beta... Dont you see that? Those rules are not yours. Those rules are set by her. So screw them. I will not act how she wants me to...

Also what is funny at TRP is how the fact that she consented to fuck with you is taken as "the win". But the real win comes later: let her fall in love with you. Let her crave for you, let her dream of you as a whole life partner, let her dream that later you will ask her "Marry me".

Now that makes you are the real alpha... Because woman use the sex on purpose, but they are really lost when they fall in love.

Title	The pre-fuck conversation is one big autism screening test
Author	Archwinger
Upvotes	1040
Comments	310
Date	15 December 2016 06:22 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/39533
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5ij4bd/the_prefuck_conversation_is_one_big_autism/

The pre-fuck conversation is one big autism screening test

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