Tips To Look After Your Husband - (Excerpts from a 1950's Home Economics text book)

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January 2, 2017

Over the holidays, I went to my parent's house who wanted the attic cleaned out. I stumbled across what was a framed picture that displayed rules that a woman should take to look after her husband. It states that it's taken from a 1950's Home Economics book.

Keep in mind, the following material is a glimpse into a pre-feminist era. Have fun reading this stuff.

Have Dinner Ready

Plan ahead - even the night before to have a delicious meal on time. This is a way to let him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

Prepare Yourself

Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch-up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

Clear Away The Clutter

Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc., then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order and it will give you a lift too.

Prepare The Children

Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces (if they are small). Comb their hair and if necessary change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

Minimise All Noise

At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.

Some don'ts

Don't greet him with problems of complaints. Don't complain if he is late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through during the day.

Make Him Comfortable

Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax - unwind.

Listen To Him

You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

Make The Evening His

Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment. Instead try to understand his world of strain and pressure, he needs to be home and relax.

The Goal

Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit.

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Title Tips To Look After Your Husband - (Excerpts from a 1950's Home Economics text book)
Author Hakametal
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Date 02 January 2017 02:56 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]ChrisBenRoy536 points537 points  (70 children) | Copy

What's funny about this is that people look at it and think "Oh how misogynist they were back then, this is disgusting!" but the sheer fact of it doing stuff like this for someone you apparently care enough about to be in a relationship/marriage w/ is just a nice thing to do.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy

"That's disgusting, how could people have subjected themselves to living like that, didn't women have any respect for themselves?"

/goes back to flicking through Snapchat for 8 hours while making bitter comments about how much the world sucks and where are all the good men???

[–]Elevate5204 points205 points  (55 children) | Copy

I agree. My wife (who does not work) went through a hyper feminist phase, where she did not want to do anything for me as her husband... because she was seeing any kindness as somehow sexist and repressive toward women. Some of these tips are ways to be to supportive of someone you love who works. They could be followed by either gender.

[–][deleted] 212 points213 points  (36 children) | Copy

i just cant wrap my head around this thinking. you are sitting at home living of the money someone else is earning 8-10 hours per day. still, you can't be bothered to do maybe 30-60 mins or work to show him your appreciation? you even label it as repression?

i hope you told your wife that if she feels oppressed, she should get a job and pay half the rent. then you could talk about splitting the housework

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon109 points110 points  (0 children) | Copy

i just cant wrap my head around this thinking. you are sitting at home living of the money someone else is earning 8-10 hours per day. still, you can't be bothered to do maybe 30-60 mins or work to show him your appreciation? you even label it as repression?

Look at it this way:

It's not logically deduced, or truth based.

It works like this: "So if I stamp my foot and claim victimhood, I can just shout sexist and misogynist and then I have to do nothing at all right? And my husband has to support me in this and keep working and I get to sit around all day doing nothing? where do I sign up!".

There is always a material advantage in this sort of victim behaviour. Either increased support towards her or decreased effort from her.

The correct response should always be "you don't have to do anything honey, and neither do I".

[–]dancingkungfy27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy

I got divorced and one of the major reasons was financial, specifically around the stay at home mom philosophy. I believed that we would be stronger partners if we both worked but my ex not so much. The house was always a mess when I got home, I did all the cleaning, cooking, and even giving the kids baths. And this was after eight hours or so at work.

Needless to say, I am a much healthier and happier man now. Our children are also happier especially since they do not have to endure the arguments anymore. My ex has tried many times to have us get back together and I had given it serious thought immediately after we got divorced. I just could not fathom going back into that situation again. It drained me of a tremendous amount of energy and health. I honestly do not think I will get married again. Never say never but at the moment, marriage is nowhere in my near future.

In fact, this is how I came to find TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

im not surprised she wants to reconcile but am suprised she didnt change along the way towards divorce as reality set in.

did she feel dread? were you physically improving?

[–]dancingkungfy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes there was dread. I went to the gym just so I can get out of the house at the time for alone time and so my physique improved as a result.

I absolutely couldn't stand being around her during the last year of marriage.

[–]1grubek84 points85 points  (14 children) | Copy

Because feminism pushes into women the idea that they have to be like men (without saying it openly) and ridicules feminine traits (again without saying it). The ideal feminist women is strong and independent, which are traditional male traits, not female.

Therefore when a women gets bitten by feminism her values change and suddenly the traditional female traits she exhibited are now shameful and she is trying to act strong and independent, in some ways similar to a male (without realizing that is what she is doing).

[–]Docbear6427 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's such a fucked up thing because then you meet a chick who has adopted feminist views and then if she's legitimately into you and starts to fall into a feminine role it's like her fucking eyes have been opened . A plate of mine cracks me up because when we first hung out she was a classic SJW feminist whore yet as she's grown to enjoy me she has slowly become ( or at least presents herself ) as more demure .

She cooks for me almost every time I see her , she does whatever I ask , buys me gifts ( to the point where I have to tell her to stop) , and the more she becomes subservient / focused on making me happy the happier she tells me she is . Making me happy has begun to make her happy . Which makes it easier for me to return the favor .

It's such a deluded , self - involved philosophy that women are being sold now and described as feminism . Just like the HAES - shit I feel like this misguided idea of empowerment and need to avoid hurting anybodys feelings is robbing so so sooo many women ( and many men) of reaching their true potential and achieving a sense of purpose and happiness SO many people seem to be lacking . It's fucking sick .

[–]beginner_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

happy women don't have to go shopping for shoes and other useless stuff to fill their void.

[–]87GNX7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's evil. It's a plot. Because a society full of happy women and happy men is a society that can go to the fucking moon, and we CAN'T HAVE THAT.

[–]analyticaltoafault28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

And turning men and women that buy into this brand, into shitty people.

Congrats feminism.

Though one could attempt to make a no true scot argument that it's not actual/original/just 3rd wave feminism, but that's just bs. Never considered myself a feminist per-se, I just was always taught to respect people that are respectable and to not hold those who are not in contempt. Seems like specific ideological corrections like this are superfluous.

It's hilariously ironic that people outside TRP (hell, I always learned to scrutinize and be reasonably skeptical of anything I have not personally examined or experienced, and even I still had some slight bias to very first views of it before becoming curious enough to check it out) view it as absolutely toxic. As I've always tried to be objective, there is some credit to their complaints as some that are part of the the group can be, but that is true of any movement with humans in it and why the phrase, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions," exists.

But here TRP is at least in part encouraging people to just be good fucking people and live in reality.

I wonder how much shit throughout human history those that see reality for what it is have received from those with insecure egos.

I'm rambling now. Good shit and thanks for the stirring of my thoughts.

[–]ChrisBenRoy16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's hilariously ironic that people outside TRP (hell, I always learned to scrutinize and be reasonably skeptical of anything I have not personally examined or experienced, and even I still had some slight bias to very first views of it before becoming curious enough to check it out) view it as absolutely toxic.

My favorite comment I always is that TRP user "hate women" when 90% of discussion in here are about how men can be more successful..............with women.

[–]analyticaltoafault4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well that doesn't disprove any hate but yeah lol

[–]PedophilePriest9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't hate feminism. First of all I am a male so it doesn't effect me.

Secondly I love women, especially feminine women, feminine energy is something beautiful that I can not recreate in my life, and I'm better for having experienced it.

However "feminism" isn't about celebrating female traits, or embracing the feminine or female nature.

It's about promoting masculine traits among women while rediculing the feminine, and criminalizing masculine behavior among men while indoctrinating submissive female traits.

That's not feminism, that's transgenderism.

[–]Elevate51 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

For what it's worth, I believe your comment above captures what my wife felt when she went through her hyper feminist/ identity crisis phase. It seems she felt being a good wife and mom (being great at what is currently labeled "female" work) was somehow not enough. For a while she felt excelling at this was a form of contributing to, and even validating male oppression.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy

They call homemaking "unpaid work". Free room and board means that it's not unpaid. And it's not slavery or indentured servitude because the homemaker can leave anytime he/she wants.

[–]ChrisBenRoy32 points33 points  (7 children) | Copy

"Being a mother is the hardest job of them all" type of cunts.

[–]markelbat13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy

[–]ChrisBenRoy7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

You know it. Ole Billy Red Face.

[–]RoughTeddy8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sadly Ol Billy Boy has sadly begun drifting towards the Blue Pill. His wife is a toxic leech on him and is slowly influencing him with her SJW shit.

[–]ChrisBenRoy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True but his wisdom remains timeless

[–]Erudite_Delirium1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is pure speculation, but if you remember some of the stuff that Patrice said back in the day about Hollywood, and how at various levels you have to 'pay' the higher ups and gatekeepers in different ways. Patrice was saying that because he was purely sticking to comedy he had a patron/'guy to bend the knee to' [well he used the term 'Jew' im just paraphrasing] and just had to give tribute in the form of money. Burr's marriage was in a similar time frame to him getting that comedy cartoon series; I wouldn't be terribly shocked if him getting married to his black, feminist wife was part of the package deal to getting that show. It's speculation, but its the thing that makes the most sense to me, since it is so totally against his core nature that he chooses to present to the world.

And I agree with Rough, while he held strong frame early on, the acidic/toxic personality just slowly but surely chips away at him (presumably as was the plan).

[–]RelentlessGrind12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

i hope you told your wife that if she feels oppressed, she should get a job and pay half the rent. then you could talk about splitting the housework

Oh no, you can't do that, that's "financial abuse". What I have told women in the past, if you have it so bad here you know where the door is. Funny thing is, not even one went to put on her shoes, grab her purse to even act like she's leaving, they just sit there and don't acknowledge "how bad they have it here with me", even when I tell them again they know where the door is and they are not here against their will they still choose to stay.

[–]mancozbi3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

You've forgotten that the ideal SAHM is working hard, keeping the house, cleaning, cooking and most importantly child rearing. These are not easy or insignificant tasks. The male bread winner should come home and take over looking after the children or other home stuff. The bread winner couldn't work without the home support. The home would collapse without the income. It's a partnership. The concept of the woman being some sort of slave is not conducive to anyone's happiness.

Another model is both man and woman working, and both sharing domestic chores, including raising the children. It's perfectly possible and preferable IMHO.

[–]bluedrygrass11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's perfectly possible and preferable IMHO.

It's not possible, at least in 80% or so of the cases. It's not a stable relation. The man doesn't have a feminine partner that shows affection to him, the woman earns as much and does as much as the man, both things they can't accept for long.

Not to mention, you simply can't be both a good mother and a good worker. You're gonna fail at one of those two, usually both.

[–]mancozbi2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

A woman doesn't have to be a good mother. A child needs good parenting. This can be achieved far easier if both parents are there on hand, sharing. A woman doesn't need to stay at home all day to be affectionate to her man, I mean how long does it take to give a good bj (10 minutes, the other 23 hours 50 mins of the day she can do other things)?

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

(10 minutes, the other 23 hours 50 mins of the day she can do other things)?

That's not how any of this works. Spening 10 minutes a day to give a blowjob to your "partner", and rest of the 23 hours and 50 min pretending to be working, is exactly how you grow up with lesbian daughters or extremely slutty and confused ones.

And yes, to be a good mother, a woman has to be a good mother, who would have tought. Far more easily to accomplish (and usually ONLY) staying at home taking care of the children.

[–]PedophilePriest1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

the ideal situation is one in which women run the household, through and through. Not in a way that enslaves men, but one that frees men to take risks, knowing their wives are more than capable of caring for their children without them.

Women need support and protection, but men need peace and quiet and resolve. There are absolutely benefits of cohabitation...they've just been eroded and disincentivized over time.

[–]CptDefB2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Literally... good women back in the day ran their homes like businesses.

[–]interestedplayer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

because she was seeing any kindness as somehow sexist and repressive toward women

Naturally of course all your obligations were held to be fair and right and just.

This is just a bait and switch. Get your commitment and then reduce her input "because sexist".

My mother (also a hyper feminist) did the same thing. She wasn't going to do any "woman's work" because she's a woman. Men's work (house, car, working for a living) was of course totally fine to be done by a man.

[–]Jerkboy13 points points [recovered] | Copy

The only one-sided contract that's legal is the one called marriage.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

The only one-sided contract that's legal is the one called marriage.

Untrue. I think you are thinking of something else. Sided-ness of a contract is moot if both parties agree to the terms.

What you meant is marriage is the only two party contract, treated as a three party contract when it comes time to decide interpretation of the terms, and only one party, the man is required to live up to the terms.

[–]Ascended_One5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This sounds like one hell of a story. How did it work out in the end?

[–]MeditateErrDay3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is interesting. How did you stay with her during that hyper feminist phase? I ask because my ex is hyper feminist right now and I want to puke at how serious she takes everything.

[–]maniclurker10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

So... you're married. Wife's kinda bitchy. You're still with her.

What are you getting from red pill?

[–]Elevate53 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I found red pill when my wife was going through this phase. It gave me a vocabulary to understand what was going on, and helped me quit apologizing for my alpha characteristics. I also changed and improved in some areas I was lacking in. I was being a bit of a pussy and needed to work on being a better husband.

[–]GodEmperorShitLord2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

'Went through' she snapped out of it?

[–]Elevate50 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes thankfully. I made some other comments in the thread that describe further.

[–]Cronyx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of these tips are ways to be to supportive of someone you love who works.

This is it right fucking here. It has nothing to do with men and women social dynamics, and everything to do with showing you give a shit about someone you love. If I was s stay at home dad, and she was the one going to work, I'd do these exact same things for the woman I loved. Why don't people get being decent anymore?

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yes, it is proven that women back then were much happier than they are now. Upbringing and laws kept their hypergamy in check, and all of this was considered as common sense, not misogyny.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

What metrics are used to determine happiness? Divorce rates? antidepressant use? suicide attempts?

I don't doubt what you're saying, though.

[–]PavleKreator10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know how those other metrics changed over time, but women's self reported happiness has had a steady decline since the 1970s.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Upbringing and laws kept their hypergamy in check

Don't forget spankings and total social isolation if you divorce.

[–]cashmoney_x5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

They were all on pills. Seriously, it's the "dirty secret" of the 1950's- female depression and medicine cabinets full of pills.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tranquilliser use was sky high back then - I guess that brings a kind of happiness?

[–]Swiss_Cheese97972 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also this is only half the article, there's a whole other part where guys have things they are "supposed" to do to. But I guess that's not sexist...

[–]redwinemamatreefrog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed I try to do at least most of these every day.

[–]hiphoprising1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's almost as if a relationship is supposed to benefit both people and not just one.

[–]MrOaiki1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure, but most women work now days. So anyone who comes home first, could be the one doing all this. No?

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sure but this isn't realy practical if both people work.

[–]HeadingRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man puts a woman first and does something thoughtful and caring for her = Sweet romantic nice guy

Woman puts a man first and does something thoughtful and caring for him = Patriarchy brainwashing he's a pig for expecting it

[–]bisjac240 points241 points  (20 children) | Copy

Some of the "don'ts" should still apply for anyone coming home to anyone.

[–]cptspiffy points points [recovered] | Copy

Agreed. Male or female, if you don't work, this is your job.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (12 children) | Copy

That's what people don't get. Although most women won't respect a "house husband" if you aren't working full time your job is literally the above

[–]BassNet21 points22 points  (9 children) | Copy

A "house husband" sounds like the most beta job of all. I doubt that'll last long

[–]ioncehadsexinapool23 points24 points  (7 children) | Copy

Surprisingly I know some very liberal couples like this who seem genuinely happy. Granted the guy has above average smv

[–]okiedokie3216 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

And best of all, you can divorce rape her.

[–]interestedplayer2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]ioncehadsexinapool1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So I'm assuming you have experience with that?

[–]interestedplayer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I struggle with this one. I'm huge on financial independence (plug for r financialindependence) and love Mr. Money Mustache.

Basically, the idea is that if you don't spend your money on stupid shit like expensive cars or lots of meals out it's actually pretty easy to retire around 35 or so. You'll have a million + in the bank and can live off the interest for the rest of your life. $40k a year is a lot of money to live off of if you're not an idiot about it.

Smart idea, right? But by then I plan on being married and having a few kids. I want to enjoy my hobbies and children. BUT - my wife will no longer view me as a provider. It's all money coming off of my investments paying for our life now. Money she could make off with in a dash!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

My father worked worse hours for worse pay with worse benefits than my drunken mother and he still did most of the cleaning, all the cooking, and all the traditional man's work at home.

Can confirm it breaks the soul.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey, we're men. We ain't got time for laundry.

[–]TheBenevolentEvil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

hows taking care of yourself and doing shit on your own beta?

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

More bullshit by neckbeards.

The man is supposed to be the fucking MAN and support his family by working outside the home & the woman supports him by making his house a home.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're happy being a cuckold then go ahead and send your woman out into the world to make money while you stay home. Cause that's what will happen.

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?!?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I was agreeing with you. Agreed with everything you posted in here.

[–]BRINGMEDATASS227 points228 points  (94 children) | Copy

Except half of the men here don't make enough money to afford a stay at home wife.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen77 points78 points  (68 children) | Copy

Well... go figure what went wrong since then, where a single income was able to support a family of four or five and a house.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator119 points120 points  (29 children) | Copy

Your labor became a lot less valuable when society decided to double the workforce by including women.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women, robots, outsourcing. Men in 1st world countries right now are more disposable than ever.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

Are you the Patriots kicker?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget both legal and illegal immigration.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men in 1st world countries right now are more disposable than ever.

Still less disposable than women, in practice, though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor40 points41 points  (16 children) | Copy

More than double the work force! Now we compete against 50,000,000 illegals, cheap Chinese labor, and the women. When I was growing up a man could get fired from the factory and on his way home stop at another factory and get a new job paying as much or more.

Today a man loses his job and he sits at home in front of the computer for 3-4 years sending out hundreds and then thousands of resumes while each day his manhood and pride shrinks a little bit more.

I guess it was designed that way.

[–]valdirtheblue19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

I live in the UK, women literally get picked over young men these days, companies have to fill quotas.

Nottingham shire police force have just announced they are launching a recruitment drive for ethnic minorities and homosexuals only. And people still say white men are privileged?

[–]DexterousRichard2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck them all. Try to start a business if you can.

[–]TheBenevolentEvil3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

why is affirmative action good again? its not stimulating our economy if we based our hiring by diversity and not merit.

[–]Awake-Now27 points28 points  (9 children) | Copy

50,000,000 illegals

So 1 in every 6 Americans is "illegal?" Your hyperbole is undermining your point (which is otherwise valid).

[–]BRINGMEDATASS16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

as long as you have an education or any kind of formal training you don' t really have to compete with "illegals". Automated labor will soon out compete everyone in most blue collar jobs, I'd love to hear who bluepillprofessor will blame then.

[–]bobsbigboi16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

You compete with h1b's instead.

[–]BRINGMEDATASS4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I thought Trump said he was getting rid of that program?

[–]bobsbigboi5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

hopefully. it's being abused terribly.

[–]magnora71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

by the same companies that are claiming STEM worker shortages in the US (at the bad prices they're willing to pay...)

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I would not be shocked. The problem is far bigger than we are acknowledging. 1/3 of the population of Mexico lives in the U.S. The number was 12,000,000 in the 1980's and we see thousands and thousands crossing over every day. We have entire sections of every major city where millions of people live and they never even need to learn English.

I certainly hope you are right that I was speaking in hyperbole but I am not so sure. Hispanics passed Blacks as the largest minority in the U.S. more than 10 years ago. 1/3 of Federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

[–]Awake-Now1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Wall Street Journal (hardly a liberal rag) has the number at 11 million as of September, 2016. This is down from 12.2 million in 2007.

There is no basis for your assertion of 50 million. Again, that would be roughly 1/6 the U.S. population.

[–]arrayay7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Simultaneously he is shamed for not having a job like a "real man" and fought against for trying to get a job because he is an oppressive shitlord.

[–]elfonite1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the second part brought tears to my eyes. it is harsh reality!

[–]Aaren_Augustine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Might want to add age to these kinds of responses, BPP. My father spent 15 years as Chief Operating Officer for several governmental and educational institutions. At 60, they wanted to medically retire him for being out for a few months.

His other friends had the same problem. Ended up doing charity work to pass their time as no one would hire them.

[–]wanderer7794 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Is say it has less to do with that. Really an increase in the number of workers shouldn't mean that wages fall over the long haul, if that was the case they would have been falling throughout history as population increased. What usually happens is that as the number of laborers increases it creates demand for more goods and you usually get an increase in wages. What happened in the u.s. is that women went to work and the economy boomed but the gains all went to the owners.

Anyway I think this problem is pretty complicated and i probably don't understand it as well as some. But I don't think the answer is for women to stop working.

[–]1violentlucidity5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

The difference between an organically growing population and a large previously unemployed segment of the population becoming part of the workforce should be obvious. With more people, you have increased consumption of both necessities and luxuries. When there are no more people but there is workforce expansion (without corresponding job expansion), there is no increased necessity consumption and little increased luxury consumption. Historically, this has been offset by the emergence of entirely new industries (the advent of personal computers and the internet being HUGE in this regard), but the kind of innovation the creates jobs is coming to a halt.

I have what I consider to be a very good job for someone without a degree. My wife stays at home, but we can barely afford to do that. We would both rather she not have to go into the workforce, but the modern assumption is that she will have a job. No, not just a job, but a CAREER! A deeply SATISFYING and EXCITING career!

And that's how they sell it. "You're not a complete woman unless you are entrenched in the fast-paced world of... retail management. Fast food dispensing. Executive assistance. Administration. Human resources. Whatever place we can stick you that will let us brag that our company employs SO MANY WOMEN!"

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I want to reply to this in more detail but I don't have time and maybe am not the guy to do so anyway. But I still think that women in the workplace is not a problem. The idea is to let talented people do their thing and produce as much as possible which is what has happened. The second part is to share some of the gains with the majority of the people so that living standards improve over time for the average joe. We've had no trouble with economic growth but little of it has . Stagnant wages happened to coincide with this movement but that does not necessarily mean that it caused it. I am not absolutely sure of this but I am pretty sure there are countries in Europe that have had increased wages during periods where women were entering the workplace.

[–]dontputthebeerback points points [recovered] | Copy

What went "wrong" is that there has been a development that enables even low-income households to have luxuries that were almost unheard of 60 years ago.

[–]InChargeMan18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

This 100%. Everyone is keeping up with the Joneses, while the large corporations do their job, which is to make you want MORE MORE MORE. Just like sexual strategy, corporate strategy is amoral. It isn't right or wrong, it just is. But, by understanding its true nature you have options.

[–]segagaga0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Corporate strategy is not amoral.

[–]InChargeMan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The people who run the companies are potentially moral, but the function of a "for profit" organization is to generate as much profit as possible.

[–]segagaga2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Which is generally immoral. Profits should be invested into salaries or into product prices or R&D. Generating profits for already wealthy shareholders is highly immoral business in my opinion. The only way anyone thinks business is amoral is if they think "Greed Is Good" is an actual beneficial philosophy.

[–]InChargeMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Companies exist to generate profit for their owners, no more, no less. It is in effect an inanimate object, no morality there. What does have a moral responsibility is the leadership of the company.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

[–]InChargeMan4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Did you just link a 4-hour documentary? Jesus Christ, is there a cliff's notes?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How Freud's theories on the unconscious led to the development of public relations by his nephew Edward Bernays; the use of desire over need; and self-actualisation as a means of achieving economic growth and the political control of populations.

I recommend HyperNormalisation as well. The length of it looks boring but the documentaries are actually quite captivating.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

If only there was some website to search the internet for knowledge...

The first part is about how the Freuds and their affiliates put the spark of consumption into people after WWII.

Also I am sure you are watching all kind of bullshit and four hours will easily be compensated. Stuff like this is worth it. No need to watch it in one session.

[–]InChargeMan-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think I heard of the internet once, isn't that like a telegraph but with pictures and sounds, mostly of funny cats and pussies?

[–]bobsbigboi2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those are technical advances. We don't need immigration for technical advances.

[–]RedPillWintergreen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And yet even a man a high-level skill set can't support a house, wife and 4-5 kids. In exchange we get trinkets that cost less. Big deal.

[–]5850s21 points22 points  (23 children) | Copy

Inflation has destroyed a man's earning power, enriching a few closely connected bankers at the expense of all other people on the planet. In the 50's a man could work as a blue collar painter and support a family. Bitcoin offers a possible solution, hopefully it can be adopted widely

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy

Once cash money is gone, there will be a very rude awakening.

[–]perplexedm7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy

Can you explain this part? Because there is a huge demonetization move happening in India and a troublesome article popped up linking it with USA:

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen19 points20 points  (16 children) | Copy

What will happen once you don't even have the little control that you have over your money with cash money and it becomes completely virtual numbers in a computer?

You will be even more dependent on the goodwill of your government and the banksters. Just remember what happened on Cyprus a couple of yers ago, where they just shut down the banks and people couldn't get their money, not even from the ATMs, while the rich scumbags had transfered their money to other countries beforehand becuase they were warned beforehand.

Then the governmet decided that everybody has to pay a little bit from their savings to conquer the "crisis".

The globalists slave owners have been working towards this for a very long time now and they will rejoyce once they succeed.

[–]perplexedm2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Thanks. Something pathetically similar happened in India in last two months, still on going.

[–]Brown_Hindu_desi_boy-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Indian here.

This drive is touted to be extremely successful as it basically replaced all the old 500/1000 notes with new 500/2000 ones.

India's homegrown wallet services have seen a spike and prices of property will fall down 20-30% making it affordable for most of the middle class.

I suspect the main motive was to flush the Indian banks with cash to make up for their balance sheet (mostly dead loans taken by top industrialists of the country).

AMA if you have any questions about it.

[–]perplexedm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]Brown_Hindu_desi_boy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes cashless is openly touted. Most Indians like me are seeing it as necessary evil.

The Muslim terrorist activities stopped the very day 500/1000 notes were banned (fake notes were printed from Pak leading to loss of billions each year to Indian economy).

Other activities like Intl. NGOs have taken a severe beating as well. So we're the Maoist (Communist terrorists) activities.

All this will very positively reflect on Indian GDP (as 98% don't pay income tax, 2% who pay are mostly white collared at high jobs whose employers have no choice).

The tax collection will skyrocket as well.

The damage a govt. can do to its people is evident in several worldwide stock market crashes (2008 for eg.) with or without paper notes.

Indian economy is unique. We have the highest savings rate in the world (%age of income). So are our gold reserves (mostly by women of Hindu families).

But the credit card consumption is awfully low. Even many millionaires don't prefer to have one (debit card is much more popular due to the age old wisdom of not borrowing money).

Now even illiterate Chai vendors on streets (Google them) are accepting paytm (a Desi company pioneering simple mobile transactions).

Bitcoins and other crypto-currencies will be very popular soon I think.

[–]xinihil0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe cryptocurrencies will enjoy a little more ubiquity as a result?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone in should try and find a way to get a few pay checks a year into bicoin NOW. You dont need much if its going to work. If it fails, you lost very little

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

bitcoin is a cryptocurrency, how will it be controlled by the government or banks? it's decentralized, unlike USD

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

How do you plan to buy your food with it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I remember reading a post about ATMs in a foreign country having lower fees for bitcoin than their bank.

Also how does anyone buy anything with bitcoin? You use it like any other currency.

What you described with the banks shutting down wouldn't happen with a private bitcoin wallet. I'm just saying, it's not the same thing.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Country declares bitcoin illegal because of "organized crime", "money laundry" and "international terrorism". Good luck withdrawing money.

[–]The_rectumwrecker-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Inflation is healthy for an economy. It stops the wealthy from simply hoarding their money because it becomes worth less. It forces the wealthy to spend their money to make more.

[–]CptDefB1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think it's a sign of health to have raw output value go down over time. That's literally what inflation is. The idea that it's good for keeping the rich in check is proven by observation to be patently false, much like trickle down economics and all this positive talk of an impossible-to-sustain-forever economy.

[–]5850s0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is completely false. I suggest you re-think how an economy works. Hint: what they teach you in school is garbage.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy

i can afford multiple stay-at-home wives but women aren't worthy. i don't mean they're not worthy of me... i mean they're not worthy of marriage. all she has to do is:

  • have a low probability of divorce, so she must have a low n-count, no prior divorces, and her parents must never have divorced.
  • be healthy enough to have 2+ children, so no STDs, or major hereditary conditions, and she must be 28 or younger by the time of the first date.
  • be attractive enough that i want to fuck her so that we actually have kids, and that i can fuck her good so she won't divorce me. i'm not saying i need a victoria secret model, but overweight women are disgusting.

any woman doesn't meet these reqs is not low value... she's negative value in my life.

[–]ministypill10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women lost their purpose in today's society, other than having baby to keep population stable in macro level.

One out of a thousand women might meet your standard, but AWALT. You can only see women's true face not in the wedding, but divorce.

Whatever women can do, I can hire someone else to do a better job.

Have Dinner Ready

Hire a team from restaurant. I doubt any woman can compete with them, especially they hate competition.

Do laundry

Once a while I hire maid to clean my house. At the end of the day: All my suits are pressed, shirt are washed and dried, towers are stored, the tower I need for the day are fold as a swan and sitting on my bed.

Each service just cost few hundred bucks and accessible to everyone.

You cannot have sex with your woman when you want, but she can always slash your fortune in half if she feel like it, why border?

[–]MrOaiki0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Could it be that the women who live up to those criteria simple aren't interested in you?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

are you dense? i specifically said " i don't mean they're not worthy of me... i mean they're not worthy of marriage." that's marriage period. to anyone. the only reason to get married is children. if she's going to divorce your ass or she's going to fail to give you healthy children, she's not worthy of marriage to anyone.

with women's sexual liberation, 90%+ of american women aged 21-28 are disqualified by bullet 1 alone. these women are practically guaranteed to divorce.

for women's health, sure, most women don't have STDs or serious hereditary conditions, but women have to consciously settle down by 28. the average courting in the US is just under 5 years from first date to marriage. by 30, female fertility is in freefall and by 35, her rates of miscarriage and birth defects are sky high. if you want 2 healthy kids, marrying a 28 year old is already cutting it close. older women are unlikely to provide healthy children.

the third bullet is an issue tying both bullets together, and is simply an indictment of the 70% of women who are overweight or obese.

[–]MrOaiki-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You've made yourself perfectly clear. So have I.

[–]LethalShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So your point is not based on providing any valuable information or discussion on the content but just in insulting the poster? You have made yourself clear. Clearly useless.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bruh!! This sub is all STEM, what are you talking about?

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy


Stop with this trying to keep with the Jonses bullshit & one can easily live on one income. No one said you have to live in LA, SFO, etc.

[–]BRINGMEDATASS4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Idk I would enjoy the perks of a two income home like vacations, health insurance, good food etc...

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

And another perk of your wife ending up fucking the stud at the job. God knows how many wives have hit on me at work.

[–]BRINGMEDATASS14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

she could fuck someone while you're at work, so I guess work from home?

[–]RedPillWintergreen4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

But that confuses the cause and effect. A large part of the reason men are so apathetic these days is that there is much less incentive to improve themselves. Why go to medical school when you can get better tail as the uber driver or ski instructor? That is before we factor in the cost of a divorce. Not to mention the skyrocketing cost of education, health care, housing, etc. It's no wonder so many millennial men opt to stay in their parents' basement.

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

But that's the thing. You don't improve yourself just to get some ass. A man improves for himself.

[–]RedPillWintergreen3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why? Improvement is its own reward? In what way? It's funner and less work to be a ski instructor than a doctor. Who is to the say the lazy Lothario isn't the smarter person, being better rewarded in today's society for the effort that he puts in.

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

This is a very good example as to why I don't make my own posts.

This sub has gone to shit. Think it's time to dial it back.

[–]GoinMyWay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I don't really bother here but this sub is complete shit. Lots of weak souls circle jerking themselves into a wasted life because they're disappointed in themselves and too chickenshit to do anything about it. Worse than what MGTOW has become.

These threads are like the internets version of inbreeding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Glad someone said it. They can afford it. Almost everyone can afford it. That's not the problem.

[–]looc22-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Good luck living on a single income with enough money to retire or actually enjoy being alive. You'll regret it. It's not possible anymore in the United States or most Western nations unless you have an income that's far above average.

[–]blackchadthundercock points points [recovered] | Copy

Then it's a good thing my income is FAR above average.....

[–]looc220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

YOUR income is above average, doesn't mean mine or anyone else's is going to be. And no, I'm not going to be living in a large city with all the feminazis and cucks such as Seattle. I want to live in a small-medium town at most, supporting a family there is still impractical on my income. I don't plan on having children or getting married, though. Because of that, I have more than enough to keep myself happy while still having a good financial future.

Thinking outside the box here: retire early with a lot of savings and make some money with your hobbies. Of course that would mean no wifey and no kiddies for most.

[–]TyrannyVengeance8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's by design the men can't afford it because the women cant stop saying MORE MORE MORE!

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's actually by design by the design of our owners.

Women (having to be) working means double the workforce and double the pressure on the job market and it mens the destruction of the traditional family resulting in a much weaker society which is easier to control.

[–]RedPillWintergreen2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course, the men still do all the REAL work. That point can't be emphasized enough. It's not as if productivity doubled once women entered the workforce.

[–]yellowbelliedturtle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

(((Our owners)))

We need to stop tiptoeing around the root of the problem here.

Feminism, and the economic effects that have made it extremely difficult for the common man to support a family with 4 or 5 kids on one salary, was pushed my one major group (((tribe))) in particular.

Feminism + the actions of the (((Federal Reserve))) and other mostly Zionist actors seek to destroy the fabric of society, the family, to weaken us.

[–]Penguin32734 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was watching a few videos of America from the 1960s, man what a change! You can really see how the US has been in cultural free fall for the past 50 years..

[–]shadowchicken857 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was a pretty cool video.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMeat-on-the-table48 points49 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just about every one of these would have feminists shouting "Oppression"--let alone all of them. And yet, these simple rules represent a balance between mother and father in the household:the father goes out to fend for the family, the mother stays home with the children and makes sure everything is right and proper.

It's funny to think people have normalised a man not being happy and king in his own castle. This shit is sad. My condolences to those amongst us who still intend to get married.

[–]1EgocentricMegaloMan263 points264 points  (2 children) | Copy

And they said America was never great... smh

[–]marplaneit8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sounds like a fucking dream. Good luck specting something like this nowadays. You get home and you sit down on the sofa and you hear this fuckig annoying voice:


How I know? My mum who worked a half time job as a teacher, to my dad who is high manager working 60 or more hours a week.

[–][deleted] 110 points111 points  (29 children) | Copy

This would be a great post on the red pill women subreddit.

[–]Officer_Dick_Johnson101 points102 points  (25 children) | Copy

Or to troll some feminist sub.

[–]sigma27265 points66 points  (10 children) | Copy

Post this on TwoX so we can record the sound of a thousand feminist brains simultaneously exploding. You know, for science.

[–]Venny_137 points38 points  (9 children) | Copy

But the title has to be labeled differently:


Would be interesting to see the responses on TwoX in that regard!

[–]1v1mebruh17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude could you actually do that?

[–]Fredo1007 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Someone please just do this because we all want to see the response. Link it too.

[–]2wiseclockcounter2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

anyone who posts here is autobanned from twoX I believe. also, it would probably be considered brigading. possible flak isn't worth such a predictable response imo.

[–]The_M0rning_Star0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

They did post it to TwoX, but I can't find the link. No one's head exploded, but they did all congratulate themselves.

[–]stephcurrythrowaway8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy

I really want someone to post this and ask them honestly what they think.

[–]AppleChoice26 points27 points  (12 children) | Copy

I'm game. Give me a minute to check.

1st Edit: Setting up...

2nd Edit: Aaand it's on.

3rd: I'm going to keep editing this instead of replying, because I highly doubt they're going to SCROLL DOWN one inch on my profile. But, let's see how long that lasts, haha

4th: Oh, Steph, they treat you so well...

They removed my comment that got kinda buried. The thread has actually gotten pretty big. Good grief.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

This post is fucking genius.

And here I was thinking there wasn't going to be anything interesting on the internet today.

[–]1v1mebruh18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

LMAOOO BRO you're already catching people hahahahaha holy shit, some pitiful beta has already responded about how he does all these things but for his wife loooool oh god I can't wait to see more

[–]stephcurrythrowaway11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know right.

His wife probably walks all over her.

Shit. I don't mind doing that shit for a woman if she really stressed but golly some dudes really want to be in that position full time.

[–]stephcurrythrowaway9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hahaha I know man.

Simple logical questions.

All of a sudden Im a waste of oxygen.

the more you know

[–]AppleChoice2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Reached the top 4 in that sub with over 100 comments. Top kek.

[–]stephcurrythrowaway4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ha I know. funny how women are dm'ing me defending some of my points too.😂

[–]AppleChoice3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

For realsies, that's pretty neat. I'm telling you man, the ultra liberal BS is starting to die out. And it's about dang time.

[–]-Universe-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was already posted sometime back.

[–][deleted] 88 points89 points  (49 children) | Copy

Instead try to understand his world of strain and pressure, he needs to be home and relax.

This is one of the reasons some men don't want to cohabitiate with women. For the most part, men want to be able to come home after work, chill out and watch some tv. They do not want unnecessary drama.

[–]MrBellsprout12340 points41 points  (11 children) | Copy

My mother doesn't understand why I don't speak to her. It don't because she's nagging, she constantly does her best to make me feel bad, the guilt trips, the shaming, its just so much work to be around her that its not worth the head ache. I tell her that if she wants me in her life that she needs to work on being a better person. Give me a reason to want to be around you, make it so talking to you is enjoyable, and escape from the harshness of life. But if she were to do that she would have to admit to herself that she's the problem, and she would have to give up ground in the relationship, and she would have to change. That's not something she's willing to do, so now she just sits in her room and cry's and tells everyone how i'm such a horrible son. All i want is for her to speak to me nicely and be respectful, that's it.

I know what the problem is, in fact I know what most people's problems are in regards to relationships, and that is people treat each other like jukeboxes. They think if they put money in the jukebox, the jukebox will play the song they want to hear, and when the jukebox doesn't play the song people want to hear, they get mad and upset, and feel like they got screwed over and the jukebox must be broken. But the problem isn't the jukebox, the problem is that thing that you think is a jukebox isn't a jukebox, and its not right for you to think that just because you put money in the jukebox you feel that the jukebox now "owes" you. Well news flash people, that thing that you think is a jukebox isn't a jukebox, its a fucking human being.

For men this money is commitment, this is why beta's get so mad at women when the don't want to be in relationships with them, because they've been putting money in the jukebox and the jukebox isn't playing the song they want to hear, which for them is sex and intimacy. And for women their currency is intimacy, women have sex with a man and expect the jukebox is gonna play the song they want to hear, which for them is commitment, but when the jukebox doesn't play the song, they get pissed and talk about how much men suck.

Stop treating people like machines, realize that its not up to you whether the women has sex with you, its up to her. Realize that its not up to you if the man commits to you or not, its up to him. Don't ask yourself "how do I get this woman to have sex with me?" ask the question "How do I give this woman what she wants?" And in doing that, she'll want to have sex with you and give you intimacy.

I wish my mother would realize its not up to her whether she's a part of my life or not, its up to me.

All I know is if I ever have kids, I can't believe how far ahead of the curve that little fucker will be. Little shit, it took me a lifetime to figure this shit out.

K done rambling.

[–]Shagulit7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice. Most comments to this post are surprisingly and entertainingly deluded. But yours in contrast comes across as the reflections of someone who has obviously matured. Good luck with using the power that grants you! Do something meaningful. :-)

[–]AbstractTallen3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was with you up until your third paragraph. Women want money. Women want attention. Women want a lot of things. Men have been giving women these things for a long time with nothing in return. Instead I think the question should be, "How can I practice being assertive and hold frame while considering others?"

[–]MrBellsprout1230 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You're wrong about a couple things.

Women want money.

Yes if you ask most women what they want they'll say money, but its not the money itself that they care about its everything that comes with it, the nice cars, the expensive jewelry, these things maker her feel good, that's what she really wants feels, the money itself is irrelevant.

Think of it as fishing. Ask a fisherman what he wants, he'll tell you a nice fishing pole, but what he really wants is the biggest fucking Tuna in the ocean, and he catches this tuna by using a nice fishing pole. A fishing pole is just a tool he uses to achieve what he really wants.

And its the same exact thing with women and money, they really want to feel good, and money is just one way of going about that. If you could somehow make a woman feel good without money, she would pick you over a guy with money every day of the week. Now that's what she wants, that's not necessarily what she'll do depending on whether she wants kids, societal pressures.

When a man approaches a woman she's not just thinking of him, she's thinking what her friends will think of her with him, how much social value can she gain from him. He is a tool to improve her life, that is it, that is all he is to her, a tool. His money is a tool, his looks are a tool, his social value is a tool, all with the goal of making her feel good and improving her life.

Does a rich girl want money? No. But she'll only date other rich guys.

Instead I think the question should be, "How can I practice being assertive and hold frame while considering others?"

I don't know what this means. Practice being assertive? I would hope men on this forum don't need to practice being assertive. They just are. If a boy has to practice being assertive then he's just that, a boy.

Considering others? Once again I don't know what considering others means. I assume you mean putting yourself in their shoes and asking yourself what they want. I don't do that, I'm not them, I don't know what rules they live to their lives by, all I know is the rules I live my life by, that's it. I Stick to them and don't worry about what other people want. I don't assume I know what's best for other people in a situation just because that's what's best for me in the same one. I would recommend other men do the same.

[–]AbstractTallen0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There's a lot to unpack here that I haven't the time for so I'll just clarify a few of my points. "Now that's what she wants, that's not necessarily what she'll do depending on whether she wants kids, societal pressures." That's what I was trying to impart. You can give her what she wants, and still not receive the desired outcome. One example could be, if your utterly horrible in bed, but you provide finacial security, commitment, good feels via laughter, maybe said person has a good social circle so tac on social validation, the fact your terrible in bed means after some time she likely won't give you what it is you desire. And you can't give anyone everything they desire so my point stands, you can give a woman things she wants and still not receive the desired outcome.

"Practice being assertive? I would hope men on this forum don't need to practice being assertive. They just are. If a boy has to practice being assertive then he's just that, a boy." This sub has Approximately 175,000 subscribers and MANY more like me who visit often and aren't subscribed. How many people are practicing the red pill trying to reform their previous ways? You honestly think everyone has it all down pat?

"Considering others? Once again I don't know what considering others means." Okay.... "How do I give this woman what she wants?" Is that not having consideration for another person? Succinctly put, treat people with respect and have consideration for their thoughts even if you disagree. I believe being assertive and friendly are not mutually exclusive and in tandem are highly useful.

[–]MrBellsprout123-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I sense a little hostility in your response. Which isn't good. You might want to work on that. The goal of my post is not to make people feel bad, but just to state out the facts, and help my fellow men who want to help themselves, if they find my advice help worthy.

If you still need to practice being assertive you are a boy and I am better than you. Now what is a boy? And what does it mean to be better than someone else?

Being a man isn't a state of mind, it is a path you take. Some are farther along the path than others. People who had strong assertive fathers are going to be much farther along the path than men who didn't. There's no point in taking it personal that someone is better than you, our lives are too unique.

People who need to practice being assertive are a boys compared to me. In contrast, I'm a boy compared to some other men for whatever reason. I'm stronger than a lot of men, I'm weaker, at the moment, than others, it would be stupid not to concede this. There is nothing wrong with being a boy. There is nothing wrong with someone being better than you. But here is what is alarming in your post to me.

This sub has Approximately 175,000 subscribers and MANY more like me who visit often and aren't subscribed. How many people are practicing the red pill trying to reform their previous ways? You honestly think everyone has it all down pat?

You're making excuses for these men and it sounds pathetic, there is no excuse for being weak. Once you start making excuses for other people, you start making excuses for yourself.

"Considering others? Once again I don't know what considering others means." Okay.... "How do I give this woman what she wants?" Is that not having consideration for another person? Succinctly put, treat people with respect and have consideration for their thoughts even if you disagree. I believe being assertive and friendly are not mutually exclusive and in tandem are highly useful.

This whole paragraph is cringe worthy.

You tell me to be "friendly" I don't know what this means.

"How do I give this woman what she wants?" No that is not having consideration. If she wants to feel bad, I'm not going to say "okay I'll take what you want into consideration and let you feel bad.". No, I'm gonna scoop her up, tell her she makes my world light up, and that I love her more than anything. I'll make her feel like the only girl in the world. And I'm going to say these things to her because I mean it, because its true. I want my women to feel amazing, like they've never felt before, and I want that for me, not for her, i want her to feel that way because it makes me feel good, when your genuine and just in your desires, theres no need to be considerate.

treat people with respect and have consideration for their thoughts even if you disagree.

Really? So if I think its okay to fuck your 12 year old daughter you'd have respect for me? Respect for my thoughts? If I think its okay to strap a couple of bombs to a little girl and blow her up in the name of Allah you'd respect me? You'd say "well that's ok because I have to respect with your thoughts even if I disagree with you."

You're fucking up man, respect thoughts that are worth respecting, and don't respect thoughts that aren't worth respecting. I don't respect women who think its okay to kill their unborn child. On the same token, I respect people who want to fuck kids, but think what they want is disgusting and a problem for society, and understand they have a condition that needs to be controlled. We cannot control what we want, but we can control what we think and how we act on those thoughts.

[–]AbstractTallen-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Okay.... or do what you will, I couldn't care less. I will say this before I cease to engage in discussion with you, nothing is black and white, so act accordingly. Having respect for others and their thoughts even when you disagree is just a piece of conventional wisdom that has merit in a majority of situations. It's sad that I even have to reiterate there are no absolutes. So yes, I would not respect you for wanting to molest my hypothetical 12 year old daughter. Oh, and try to always attack the steel-man of another's argument as opposed to reaching for the low hanging fruit, from my political science professor to you.

[–]2wiseclockcounter3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

ask the question "How do I give this woman what she wants?" And in doing that, she'll want to have sex with you and give you intimacy.

If that's not the most blatant contradiction to everything you said before it. That's some blue pill bullshit wrapped up in a wordy red wrapper. Idk what kinda trip you're on judging by the weird passive aggression you replied with to /u/AbstractTallen, but to anyone fooled into upvoting this nonsense, there's troves of material around here that will explain why this is fundamentally wrong.

The nutshell is this: giving a woman "what she wants" is the quickest path to lapdog status if you're basing your assumption on the wrong premise. Being appeasing in nature will kill attraction. This doesn't mean you can never be caring and nurturing, but it's got to come from the proper masculine frame.

[–]MrBellsprout1235 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Its all about understanding what they want. Do ya feel me? A child wants candy, that doesn't mean you're going to feed jolly ranchers to your child for dinner. Your women thinks she wants you to taker her out to a fancy dinner and put up with her bullshit, that doesn't mean that you should, for your sake, and for hers. You're mis-interpreting what I mean when I say give a woman what they want. If you don't understand idk how I can make you.

Women want to be put in their place, a woman wants your to be in charge, a woman wants to be with a man that she can trust to, and so I ask myself "how do I give her what she wants. How do I be in charge, how do I put her in her place, how can she trust me".

Typically the answer to these questions is maintaining a good physique, a good social circle, calling her out on her shit, not spoiling her, making her work for your attention and commitment. She wants to work for your attention, she wants to see you as a challenge, she doesn't want you to just give her everything she thinks wants, its a game to her. That's what she really wants. The thrill of the challenge.

Its complicated, but you have to look past the surface and see the things she wants for what they really are.

[–]2wiseclockcounter4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

ok, word. gotta say though, the clarification was needed given the way you originally worded it. I'd probably call all that "what she needs" instead of "what she really wants". Cuz you can't just go by what they ask for.

[–]MrBellsprout1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sure man, that makes sense, I'll do that next time.

[–]InChargeMan22 points23 points  (36 children) | Copy

Once you are far into TRP you will realize that the musings of your women is in itself an entertainment not a source of stress.

[–]TyrannyVengeance points points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah? Not when its fucking incessant. Even my teen ager shuts the fuck up sometimes.

[–]InChargeMan19 points20 points  (29 children) | Copy

My point stands. If she goes into a rant and your blood pressure goes up, you aren't there yet.

[–]bluedrygrass7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

But you're so wrong. Only a masochist would enjoy a perpetually whining bitch. And if your bitch whines perpetually, it's her fault, not yours.

And if you enjoy it, there's something wrong with you, too. Certainly you shouldn't be happy to waste time that way.

You give off purplepill vibes, mixing up rep pill concepts with blue pill behaviours like man blaming.

[–]InChargeMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If my dog shits on the carpet once in a while, I don't let it ruin my day and start being a whiny bitch, it is just a dog, and sometimes dogs shit on carpets. I'll rub it's nose in it, make my point, then clean it up. If it does it 3 times a day for months, that dog will be finding a new home. Does that clear it up for you?

Are you even in a LTR? Do you even lift bro? Unicorns don't exist.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you even lift bro?

You couldn't have made any clearer than you're a teen acting all tough on the internet while having no clue about the argument. My and other people's point is that's it's deeply beta to accept a relationship evidently broken. When confronted to that, you act like that was always your point, and it wasn't. And start with the posturing. Read the sidebar kid

[–]Wenzel-Dashington points points [recovered] | Copy

Agreed. Its hilarious and doesn't bother me one bit. In fact, its like an occasional shit test which keeps me from going soft and always being in frame. In a strange and admittedly weird sort of way, I've come to appreciate it.

[–]InChargeMan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, sometimes it's fun seeing how you can get the hamster to change directions at your will. Once you understand that their brains work differently, you understand that to a certain extent it is just in their nature, not a characteristic intended to offend/upset you.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy

Okay u think it doesn't bother you because you've become accustomed to it. If u took a time machine, went back to 50's then got married. Let's say you enjoyed the good treatment for 20 years and come back to the future to the incessant nagging bullshit drama. It would be wrong to say that initially you wouldn't be bothered at all. You would be bothered instantly then eventually get used to it. But after having witnessed the 50's treatment, that experience would be forever burned in your memory and you'd be unable to completely let go of that bliss feeling and go back to the incessant nagging/shit testing.

[–]InChargeMan8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy

I know you think you understand, but you don't. This isn't a frog in the boiling water situation. You need to understand the subtlety here.

There are two kinds of men who are unfazed by a shit testing woman. The first is the meek and beaten down beta man, with his shrunk down posture, averted gaze, and 1000 yard stare. This is the case you are referring to when you say "you've become accustomed to it." This is some non-zero percentage of the male married population, for argument's sake lets say 25%.

In the middle is the "average" man population, which gets shit tested, doesn't understand it and how to respond, and gets pissed off, angry, stressed, etc. Lets say this is 65%.

At the top is the 10% alpha man who views this behavior much like he would view a pet or a toddler. You don't hold it against them, it is in their nature, but that doesn't mean you necessarily ignore or accept unacceptable behavior. i.e. if my 2 year old throws a fit because he wants a toy, I will respond appropriately (try to guide him to behave properly or ignore his ploy for attention or identify it as a comfort test and pick him and redirect the play), what I won't do is mope around all day wondering why my 2 year old doesn't love me and treat me nicer, then think about buying him an expensive handbag because that will show him I really love him.

This is where you need to be. "bother" is the critical word choice you used. If my wife exhibits a behavior that is AWALT but generally not in breach of our OVERT contract, play on. If my wife exhibits a behavior that crosses a boundary of our OVERT contract, I will have to address the situation. In neither case am I "bothered".

Regarding your 50's analogy, this is all dependent on your OVERT contract. If you want your feet rubbed when you get home, and this is a deal breaker for you, put it in your contract. If she doesn't do it, no biggie, contract broken, next. If it wasn't that big of a deal to you, then whether you get your feet rubbed or not shouldn't have any effect on your feelings. To follow that analogy, if I really wanted my feet rubbed every day, but didn't want it to be a make/break point of my relationship, I would clearly state that to my wife, and let her know that if she didn't want to do that it is no biggie, I'll be stopping by a massage parlor on the way home from work every day. This concept works for EVERY want/need you have, bar none.

[–]kruxofthemimed3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Fuck yeah my man. That is the way to do it. I think the problem with a lot of people transitioning into the TRP lifestyle is they want their wives to be their wives AND their best, closest pal. You can't have both. To have a wife in the first place you have to hold them in the perspective that you presented in your comment- they are essentially children that need not be taken too seriously. You have to limit your emotional attachment. Obviously have empathy and care about them, but don't trip all over your balls trying to please every persistent need they have.

Do you let it ruin your day when some child insults you or bitches about something? No? Well, same goes with your woman.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Bro our predecessors fucked up on the two biggest shit tests in history: Women's suffrage and feminism. Back then if a "child" insulted me, I'd be able to discipline them like a man should. Now that is considered assault. A man isn't the king of his own house anymore that's what I was saying. The Bitch should be tripping all over her non-existent balls to please every incessant need I have and if she doesn't do that, how is she gonna survive if I boot her ass out the door? That's the ultimate dread game the patriarchy is and we need it back. We have to get it back by force.

But for modern life, the punishment comes in the form of removing attention, not giving a fuck, soft next, or a hard next.

[–]kruxofthemimed3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. Spoke with my ex a while back and she told me very honestly that all the shit tests and abuse were simply pleas for me to physically discipline her. Now that that's illegal we only have mental punishment such as dread, and if that doesn't work then you can't do shit, you have to next them.

Even if your girl says she wants it, and that's why she's misbehaving, it can still get you into trouble if they change their mind so it isn't worth it.

[–]InChargeMan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your comment was too long but I didn't refer to the beta I actually was referring to the unfazed Alpha. Even if you're the unfazed Alpha, wouldn't it be nice to have sissy barefoot wife in the kitchen? That kind of bitch is hard to find and even then there's a risk of divorce so marriage nowadays it's out of my platter. Prenup isn't even worth the paper It's printed on.

[–]InChargeMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ok then, sounds like you've got it all figured out. You don't like the field so you aren't going to play. Have fun on the sidelines.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't like the field here in North America. Threre are still some few greener pastures left in the world that might be worth looking into who knows.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're the one that don't understand and is projecting that on others.

Apparently in your shitty world you only know of shitty women who can't stop whining and behave badly towards you, and in your purple pill state you pretend it's normal and even positive, but it's not. Even today it's not difficult to find a female that, for how imperfect she is, at least behaves acceptably IF you do too.

But if you behave alpha, and she's still a shitshow, and you pretend that's good, then you're really just a beta at core, enjoying his shitty life because he can't get any better.

[–]InChargeMan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well, based on the oceans of posts on TRP it seems that AWALT is pretty much a true statement, just with varying levels. The reality is that ANY woman will have certain characteristics which aren't necessarily pleasing. The trick is to have a lot more on the good than the bad side. If you are getting good frequent sex, have a woman you enjoy spending time with and who is good at managing her life as well as being a mother, then dealing with a little shit test once in a while is part for the course.

But if you behave alpha, and she's still a shitshow, and you pretend that's good, then you're really just a beta at core, enjoying his shitty life because he can't get any better.

Why would you spend your time with a woman like that? WTF is your point? Are you one of the guys that will whine and bitch to their friends about their woman but not to her face? I just don't get your point, but, the good thing is IDGAF.

[–]bluedrygrass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

then dealing with a little shit test once in a while is part for the course.

Why are you now stating the obvious? Of course a shit test once in a while is standard. We were talking about constant ones. They are indicative of a tearing up relationship, due to excessive shittyness on the woman part, and/or a beta behaviour from the male part. That's the situation you were dealing with and saying you deeply enjoy it. That's cucky.

And your whole "defence" mechanism is to straight repeat MY points to me, as if you weren't talking the opposite just a post above.

Do yourself a favour, kick the beta outta you.

[–]RedDeadlift1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Extremely well explained. Thanks.

[–]PM_Your_8008s0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Having experienced a quality woman doesn't mean you will forever be pissed off in the presence of a low quality one, or one that originally treated you well and now doesn't. That's just a garbage excuse to justify getting pissed at someone on a daily basis over pedantic nonsense.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well, the bitches do it so tell them. I don't even do LTRs lol. It's not a garbage reason it's a very valid reason. You may not be forever pissed off at low quality...Just wouldn't wanna tolerate it. This whole feminist crap is a shit test and us guys fucked up my enabling it and now we're making it worse by accepting it. We need to fight a war to reclaim the Patriarchy.

[–]analyticaltoafault4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment is concise and may seem minor and is not part of the main discussion, BUT, it is incredibly valuable.

I was cognizant of this in myself after allowing myself to be free from the grasp of a 6 year relationship with a girl I loved but had a bad (abandoned by father/narcissistic mother/narcissistic herself) upbringing.

I used to be independent and confident and healthy and had many people in my life that loved me. I had a very strong will and would have confirmation biased the shit out of Marcus Aurelius's Meditations had I read it when I was a kid and teenager. Body and mind were rock solid. Life was good.

Then my identity fell apart and it took splitting with her to build myself up again and I struggled for a bit as I KNEW what needed to get done, and KNEW I used to think that way, but had to keep drilling it in since I also knew I wasn't confidently believing it as I had when I was a kid.

I was lucky to be self aware and mindful of this as it was happening as it hastened my improvement. So, to those reading, be aware. Look at your worst qualities with an objective and secure eye. Doing so only makes you better and if it feels bad to do so, THAT is what is truly bad.

[–]TyrannyVengeance1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Its not a rant, its the incessant fucking talking, and my blood pressure doesn't go up, but a mute button would be nice sometimes. Sometimes its great, but fuck does it ever stop?

No. she's a sweetheart though, and its really just a me not wanting to talk 24/7 I ignore it since its my character flaw.

[–]InChargeMan2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well, for me, I would say "You're mouth has a lot of energy today! I can't let that go to waste." Then move her to a private location and receive a BJ.

[–]TyrannyVengeance1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That works when it works. Logistically its not always a possibility unfortunately.

[–]InChargeMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. It may go against typical theory, but I will also lean on the scheduled sex for later, but with basically no opportunity for argument later. i.e. "If we weren't in the middle of Target I would put your mouth to better use. Tonight, 10pm, SHARP!"

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

If women do not have drama they will create it

[–]InChargeMan8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, they are at the forefront of the maker movement. :)

This is why you need to be generating the feels, they are addicted to the dopamine rush.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Why does my girlfriend not create drama?

Is it coming, I just haven't seen it yet?

(Serious question, not trolling or whatever)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe she does and you are extremely tolerant? You are over here poking around after all

[–]lodro points points [recovered] | Copy

Make Him Comfortable

Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax - unwind.

About as close as you can get to saying "suck his dick" in that era

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wasn't oral pretty taboo back in those days?

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (28 children) | Copy

Lmao, my wife literally does her best to do the exact opposite of all these. Then always asks me why I just hang out in our room on my phone, or why I need to go to the store.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen123 points124 points  (2 children) | Copy

So when do you plan to divorce?

[–]interestedplayer8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]dancingkungfy12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have no control of your own house. You should not be banished to life in your room in your own home. My advise to you is, either make your entire a comfortable living space for you or get a divorce. I hate to break it to you but you are living in despair right now. I know because I used to be you before.

You need a heavy dose of RP in your life right now

[–]Rogdozz14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

How bad is it? Is she literally not working at all?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

She's a bank teller, and has no other aspersions to do anything with her life other than play with our kids.

[–]angryguy444418 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

has no other aspersions to do anything with her life other than play with our kids.

But doesn't feminism say women shouldn't act like that?

[–]alien_orangered points points [recovered] | Copy

Time to step it up a bit and get her into shape.

After mine decided to gain 30 lbs and sit on her ass all day I dropped the ultimatum. Well she lost 40 lbs and now keeps the place damn near picture perfect.

You've just gotta know the right words to say to motivate someone back into respecting you.

[–]2wiseclockcounter2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

now i'm really curious, what words did you choose? Doesn't seems like an easy ultimatum to float successfully.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"im gonna have a thin wife who contributes"

[–]George_Rockwell4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

has no other aspersions to do anything with her life other than play with our kids.

You're a lucky man then. This is what we should be fighting for.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I said play not take care of, was trying to be subtle. It worked.

[–]mananlak5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy

Just do it man, don't just stay for the kids. Obviously I don't know anything about your situation at all, but you'll do a hell of a lot better being a father if you're happy and strong willed, and hopefully pass down good traits to them. Being stuck in a shitty marriage is no fun for anyone, and imprints that same shitty idea of marriage into the child's brain.

Just my 2 cents, can't really speak much as to what you're experiencing.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy

Yeah, I honestly really don't know what to do lol. I'm in a state of perpetual hate. She says she's trying (now after 7 years) to change, but a lot of damage has been done. She blew up after the kids and her body is just fucking wrecked and I honestly have to force myself to try and be attracted to her. She won't help keep the house clean (I used to deep clean the house every week on my days off, but I literally just don't give a fuck and don't help clean at all anymore) even though I work and commute about 20 hours more then her a week. I used to try and help motivate her, but I just don't care anymore. She has literally made me hate the female sex. It's gotten so bad that I don't even look at porn/jerk off anymore cause it just makes me depressed to know I'm never gonna get to be with an attractive woman again lol. My life is basically fucked.

[–]mananlak10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sent you a PM. Hope you can work things out.

[–]LessASnowmanThanAGod7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Allow me to be the one person to say don't trash your marriage quite yet - it seems to me like you're pretty much resigned to it anyways, though. Now is the time for dread game - if she doesn't care enough to get herself together to save the marriage, well, then it's time to ship out.

[–]FourLetterIGN4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure ya can. Sounds like you are unhappy in your marriage. Not worth keeping it around. Become a better single man (secure, buff, and not reek of I'm Trying to Pick Up Chicks) and before you know it you'll be with an attractive lady.

[–]layerofpipe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm in the same boat bro. You're not alone. I'm sticking around to be a father to my 2 sons.

[–]dancingkungfy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't do it. You can be around for them post divorce. It has been done before because I do it. Don't ever stay because of the kids.

[–]captainpixystick points points [recovered] | Copy

When the love is gone, it's gone. Move on. Don't get stupid and get married again next time. Make sure the woman knows up front you will never remarry.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I agree, I've told my wife I think marriage is stupid and a trap and I would never do it again.

[–]Calebrox1242 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

don't just stay for the kids.

And continue letting that woman raise children? Not the best idea…

[–]mananlak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you work in advance with a lawyer and drop the proceedings down immediately. Lock that shit down and get primary or at least half custody. Establish yourself as the primary caregiver and all that.

But I'd rather be divorced and happy to raise and influence those children then be miserable and married to that hag.

[–]mananlak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's why you work in advance with a lawyer and drop the proceedings down immediately. Lock that shit down and get primary or at least half custody. Establish yourself as the primary caregiver and all that.

But I'd rather be divorced and happy to raise and influence those children then be miserable and married to that hag.

[–]dancingkungfy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are right on the money.

[–]linenoize points points [recovered] | Copy

Can I have a photo of this book, or ISBN if it has one. I want one.

[–]griff_tannen40 points41 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is basically word for word from one of those chain emails, so I doubt OP really saw the book. Here is something a bit more usable. My grandma actually gives a cut out article like this to couples before they get married.

[–]elfonite3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A good wife always knows her place!

[–]GC0W308 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

ISBN didn't really exist until the late '60s, and it didn't get much traction until the '70s.

We're going to need to get publisher, author, title to track this one down.

If my first wife had just read this and internalized it, I would never have met a divorce attorney, that's for damned sure.

[–]Hamilton950B0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a hoax. The (fake) scan used to be available on Wikipedia but seems to be gone now.

[–]longschlong1224 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy

My Mother and grandmother do most of what OP has written all the time (my mother not anymore, go figure). Always thought this was what a women naturally did, take care of their husband and shut the fuck up for at least an hour after he comes back home.

Of course this type of woman is close to extinct in western culture. The points are great to determine the value of a prospective LTR.

[–]thatwaseasy24711 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

So are women supposed to go to work, contribute to the household income and do all things on the list? Or are they supposed to stay home and do the things on the list? Just trying to figure out what it is that men want.

[–]firewelt1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Men want young women so there is nothing for you to figure out here. You are old, there is nothing that will make high value men desire you.

[–]thatwaseasy24710 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

That doesn't answer the question of if women are supposed to stay home and do what's listed or go to work and do what's listed.

You people are so one sided. Do you think women want old men even if they are old? No everyone wants someone in their prime not just men. I laugh bc my uncle has remained a bachelor his whole life. Now he is 50. He doesn't have a wife or kids and now that he's old he can't get any attention from young women which he desires. So he is lonely as fuck and wishes he would have married when he had the chance. So next time you decide not to give a women the time of the day except to stick your dick in her pussy, remember you'll be old one day without anyone in your life bc you wanted one night stands.

[–]thatwaseasy2478 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe I was being too emotional with my original reply. Here is what my actual question is since you didn't understand.

I've been married for 8 months. My husband and I both work full time. I am a graduate student and was lucky enough to get a full assistantship. That means my tuition is paid for and I get a salary. So we BOTH work full time and make a salary. Usually I have loads of homework to do whereas my husband goes to work, comes home and has free time. And I have no issues doing nice things for my husband. I like taking care of him. But my question is should I be expected to do all of these things everyday when we BOTH work full time? Or can we BOTH do these things? Is it fair if I am expected to do all of these things that he just watches tv while I rush around to do all of these things for us and then do homework after? Or should I just say fuck it to my career and stay home and do all these mindless things and pop out kids.

[–]firewelt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

first off, your uncle isnt the only lonely man out there and he isnt lonely because hes old either. 60% the men in the country are totally ignored by women irrespective of age. If he is lonely, its because he is a low value man and women ignore these men while tolerating all kinds of abuse from high quality males. you yourself said you dated jerks. well thats because you werent interested in nice guys. 50 year olds who go to the gym and have careers(high value men) can be fucking women half their age no problem.

redpill means you can have relationships, even children, just dont get married and dont tolerate women's bullshit. Ironically when you do that it communicates that you are a high quality man to a woman so they work to please you.

with regards to your relationship with your husband, thats between the two of you. Do whatever you feel is right.

[–]Albertolox20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Basic advise for both men and women. Basically try to give 2 shits about the other person

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men obviously care about women. When the bullets start to fly the men scramble atop their frigid, sex denying harpies and take the bullets. When the ship is sinking the men sing 'Nearer to God My thee" while the women stretch out on their lifeboats. Women don't care about men but obviously care about what men can do for them. Men are utilities to women so asking them to give 2 shits about them is totally contrary to their nature.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just gotta say reading this as an outsider, it's totally twisted. mental gymnastics, cognitive dissonance, all of that. but that's just me without a stake in the game. maybe you're not aware since you're so in it.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

We threw out the wisdom of our grandparents, and now many marriages fail, or are miserable.

[–]Expectations15 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is because an average job back in the day was some fkn coal mine getting black lung. If you have to put up with a bad wife too...well...

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

tl;dr - show him you give a fuck. A tall order for today's "modern woman".

[–]emanresumy20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

A family that does weed together,stays together.
Blowjobs are a great distraction from your minor trysts and affairs.
Video games are a great substitute for conversations.

[–]HeinousFu_kery11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

Unfortunately the source for this is pretty doubtful:

As is this (fortunately):

[–]BeholdTheHair3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I gotta' say, the list of Dos and Don'ts taken from the actual text in the first link seem to me perfectly reasonable suggestions. They're not proscribing a particular behavior or demeanor the way the fabricated list does, just offering solid general advice on how to appreciate what are presumably the positive qualities of one's husband.

Naturally, even this has the Snopes writer wringing his hands over the "regressive" values on display. I particularly like how he casually loops contented housewives in with those who would necessarily be shocked and outraged by such material. Projection is a hell of a drug.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

We don't want to believe any woman, even half a century ago, was willing to submit herself to a life of servitude

Into the fucking trash it goes

[–]Cmfanel10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy


They are bought liberal shills

[–]coffee_345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

God bless those lucky men.

Now we're expected to do everything, never complain, never expect anything, and basically be slaves.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not a bad find. You should cross post this over at RPW.

[–]esirnus184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

damn if my wife did all of this to me I wouldn't even mind if she fucked the mailman.

[–]GoldenApple232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, this applies to either gender, and anyone not working should probably do this for their spouse. If I came home to this treatment at the end of my work week, holy shit.

[–]davie182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did you not get this from the howard stern show? I was watching an old episode before and he read something exactly like this, but he did say he got it from somewhere else.

[–]stemgang2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds very pleasant.

Pleasantness is the thing feminists most want to scourge from the earth.

[–]Ayyylookatme2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Wow. This sounds amazing. Is this what Donald Trump means by making America great again? Cause if so, he has my reelection vote.

[–]LordThunderbolt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I swear u people are morons

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy

If you were in a middle class family where one income could support the household. This was possible and did occur for some lucky few. But if you were lower middle class or lower class, both parents likely had to work in some form or manner. Lots of women were married and nurses and worked three to four twelve hour shifts a week. Often at night, so they could sleep while the kids were at school. With the husband working at a factory or as a cop or fireman. It just depended where you lived.

Nowadays, I wouldn't want my wife to stay home with the kids. I'd rather know she's at work than having free time I don't. As a guy who has fucked married women. Each and every one of them was "stay at home moms." Too much free time to have their own fun while their husbands killed themselves to pay the bills.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

This was possible and did occur for some lucky few.

Bullshit. That was the norm not the exception.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. There simply weren't that many jobs available for women.

We didn't used to have all of these bullshit clerical office jobs.

[–]1SeemedGood2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

Nowadays, I wouldn't want my wife to stay home with the kids. I'd rather know she's at work than having free time

Homeschooling. That way the schools don't destroy your children and your wife has work at least as meaningful as yours, perhaps more.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

My wife ain't up for that. We've talked about it. We might put them into virtual school when they hit twelve because she can't deny how well my Godson is doing. She's afraid they'll end up weird and I've tried to remind her how many kids are losing their shit in school and becoming depressed. What's worse, around our way the schools let the hispanic and black kids run the school and be violent little shits as long as it's against the white kids. It's almost insane.

[–]1SeemedGood2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Keep working on her. School these days isn't like it used to be for us (which was bad enough). Kids are getting systematically destroyed in schools, along with any good family values you've imparted, their ability to think critically, and develop true self-esteem and independence (the kind that comes from real accurately measured accomplishment in a competitive environment).

You'll find that more and more folks are homeschooling and the homeschooling social/learning groups are much better than the school system for healthy socialization.

What's worse, around our way the schools let the hispanic and black kids run the school and be violent little shits as long as it's against the white kids.

This is the totally annoying racism of white liberals. They desperately cling to the "minority-victim" paradigm in order to hold on to their worldview that minorities are actually inferior to them. If you truly believe that someone else is equal to you, you hold them to the same standards as you hold yourself. All the liberals that decry minority oppression and then treat minorities as if they aren't responsible for their own problems and thus can do nothing to fix them are the true racists.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think the kids can hold out till 12. I'm working on creating a business she can really contribute at (I'll create Trusts to be the shareholders so it looks good on her resume), and work from home if she wants to. I took my Godson in when he was 8 (his mom came with him and didn't die till he was eleven). Kid had all kinds of developmental issues (issues, not disabilities thank god). After about a year he was in ok shape, after two years he was one of the best students in his classes (A Honor roll a few semesters, but there were dips for when he wasn't living with me as we'd sit on the dinner table working [me working on legal stuff, him doing his homework and making flash cards to study]). It took me and a retired New York city retired school teacher that i hired as his tutor, plus a speech therapist, to get him sorted out.

Now he's doing 96 as the ASVAB (granted he just figured out how to use Youtube to help him prep but i like that he's developed problem solving skills [granted he's watched me figure things out using Youtube so me might just be aping me]). In Florida we have virtual school and the kids can blow through an entire year in half the time or less if they get all the assignments done. He's learned that in life you just have to grind sometimes and we have grind days where we sit at the kitchen table for like six hours on a sunday (when my wife is working) and just work.

Plus we were lucky to find a Boy Scout troop where all the parents are homeschoolers so he's able to go to their houses where several of the moms and dads are really helpful with the kids learning. These are groups of like four and five kids at a time and we occasionally book a pavillion at a nearby park (took the kids to Blue Springs back in July and nearly all of us went swimming all day) for groups of ten or more.

My wife gets worried the kids won't be able to handle conflict and will either go hyper-aggressive like my Godson did (and I taught him) or they'll be submissive. But in today's world, being clever and aggressive is a good thing if you know what you are doing and are seeking a life of job independence.

I dealt with the race shit up front. It's why my Godson got put in virtual school. Hispanic kids at his school were giving him shit. One stabbed him with a pencil while he was minding his own business, he beat up the kid and his friend and bit a chunk of the kid's face off (not a big piece, the kid kept trying to punch my GS in the balls and get back into the fight, so he got mutilated a little).

I had to go to the principal's office where they were threatening to call the cops and I told them to go for it because I'd be calling the news and making them famous for every Pro-white Neo-Nazi group in the country. The single moms of these two little shits tried screaming and yelling at me and I smiled back at them. The disfigured kid's mom asked me how I was going to pay for kid's scar and I laughed at her and explained how tort law works in Florida. And added that the scar might keep her kid from getting killed or being someone's bitch in prison (the look on the principal's face was priceless). Start shit and you have no idea where it can go, so don't start shit.

Mind you this kind of shit was going on when I was in high school at seminole high school and the black dean of students told me that if he punished every black kid that was a problem. About half of the black kids wouldn't be in school.

[–]1SeemedGood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start shit and you have no idea where it can go, so don't start shit.

This. I'll never forget when I was about 4, the boy from across the street would harass me, beat me up, and chase me home. One afternoon that my father happened to be there I ran home and cried to him. He told me: "If you don't go out there and beat that boy down, I'll beat you down - and I'm bigger than he is and can hit much harder." That made a lot of sense to me so I went back outside went across the street punched the kid, knocked him down, and kept punching him until his parents pulled me off of him. He never bothered me again.

...the black dean of students told me that if he punished every black kid that was a problem. About half of the black kids wouldn't be in school.

The racism and tyranny of low expectations.

[–]WreckFourTwenty4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wish my wife would have been taught this in school.

[–]CrestfallenWolf2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Make YOUR home a place where HE can rest. (And get back to work) LoL that last paragraph says it all. >.<

[–]prostateExamination3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

i kind of expect this when i get home. minus the dinner. coming home shouldn't be an ugh, fuck that. you should want to go home at the end of the day.

[–]thatwaseasy2470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But what if you wife has also been at work all day? Is the man just supposed to put his feet up and watch her do everything on the list or does he help?

[–]InChargeMan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks to u/griff_tannen it is apparent that your backstory is bullshit. Please present evidence to the contrary. Why be a little bitch and make shit up?

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

my mom always told me that a wife/girlfriend needs to be taught how to be a wife/girlfriend

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The "offer to take off his shoes" had me laughing out loud! Feminists would would flip their shit if they saw this lmao

[–]Short-changedChad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How funny it is that SJW feminazi cunts wear glasses and clothing in styles that were fashionable when these tips for being a good wife were

It's almost like they want to go back to a time when men were the prize...

[–]ShavedApel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone please make a 2016 edition of this.

[–]Luckyluke231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

man, i just got a boner reading that. then i remembered it was from 1950.

it saddens me to this day a women doesn't know how to do ANY of these things.

[–]stillphat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean, if you're at home all day, wtf else are you doing? Not that I'm a red piller, but serious shit, man or woman, if you're not, at the very least, comforting the one who goes out to bust ass(assuming they're doing that), wtf are you actually doing with your time?

This is more to do with being a fair spouse than anything.

[–]mildly_sexy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, that sounds like heaven. Imagine the zen, the relaxation. If you came home and there were no problems, complaints, chores for me to do, screaming would actually bring me to tears

[–]stephcurrythrowaway3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. Feminists make this sound like

"Don't get mad if your husband beats you or chokes you out of anger. You are less than him"

When clearly none of this stuff indicates that.

[–]ghee991 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

great advice!

if a wife (or even a gf) were to follow these rules and act this way, not only would the man be happier, but the woman would be 100 times happier as well

there has been no greater cause of misery to women than feminism

[–]BrenzoG3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a little turned on just reading that.

[–]Buchloe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saw this same clipping recently on facebook. Except it was posted by a feminist with the opinion of "omg can you believe this bullshit??"

[–]NeoreactionSafe-2 points-1 points  (14 children) | Copy


The Globalist Tyranny has worked very hard since 1910 (Jekyll Island) to subvert humanity. First it was the Bolsheviks, then the Nazis, and now it's ISIS and all along the Blue Pill has destroyed Motherhood.


It's tragic...


So in the Red Pill we mostly observe the wreckage and try to find "work arounds" to deal with broken Cock Carousel™ sluts, but ideally what we want is to restore the eternal Truths that come from the Laws of Attraction.


  • Masculine polarity

  • Feminine polarity


Place those two polarites together and you have a family that can survive as long as both partners remain dedicated to the Truth.

We live in a time of Blue Pill mythology... we must destroy it.

"Kill the Beta".


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

IOW globalist conspiracy created the US central bank AND Soviet Union AND Nazis AND Isis to create bluepill world.

How plausible is that?

Also, check your tinfoil for tears, you forgot 2 Iraqi wars, 9/11, Afganistan, creation of NATO, EU, NAFTA, Ukraine and migrant crisis.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe you better take of your blindfolds and start thinking for yourself.

If you really believe that the true nature of women is the only thing you have been lied to about and that it wasn't intentional and planned and that there is no deeper aganda involved in the ongoing destruction of the traditional family since the 60s you are just bullshitting yourself in order to be able to stay in your lala-land, where you actually have a say in in what direction society is steering, or are just fucking dumb.

Pick one.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Usual black-white, us vs them simplistic worldview.

Because who needs to understand politics, economy and science when you can just read a blog about how "they" are out to get you.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy


Iraqi wars, 9/11, Afganistan, creation of NATO, EU, NAFTA, Ukraine and migrant crisis.


I was trying to be brief... but yes, those are all part of history.

The Globalist Tyranny has been responsible for all the wars because they profit from them.

Ask Eisenhower. (from his grave)

Ask John F. Kennedy. (from his grave)


The sequence:


  • First they called us crazy conspiracy theorists. (1980's thru 2000's)

  • Next they called us hateful. (the deplorables, post-2010)

  • Recently they call us "fake news" or the Alt Media. your attack mechanism (JamesSkeep) is outdated.

The "conspiracy theory" angle isn't used anymore.


Why Not?


The "conspiracy theory" only worked when the MSM ("Main Stream Media") was unchallenged during the era of television. People could not go on the internet and get real news rather than the corporate MSM bullshit.

You can't use the "conspiracy theory" attack anymore because roughly 100 million people are aware of Trump and voted for him.

Can you say 100 million people are crazy?


So the angle you use is making you look silly.

Update (at a minimum) to the official new meme of "fake news".


[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

First they called us crazy conspiracy theorists

They will always call you "crazy conspiracy theorists" simply because that's exactly what you are - crazy, conspiracy and theorists.

[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All 100 million of us huh?... including Trump who supports the "Truthers".

(in other words Trump will expose the crimes)

You might give up that attack vector... it makes you look out of touch.


[–]RawgerOThornhill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Easy divorce and abortion were early legal "reforms" of the Bolsheviks in Russia right after their revolution. The goal was to destroy the family as an intermediary between the person and the state. Fast forward to today, we have both easy divorce and abortion, plus income transfers from men to women directly (e.g., alimony and child support, all expressly managed by the state) and indirectly (high taxes on male high-income earners that fund wealth transfers to sluttly single moms and their bastard children). The Bolsheviks would have been extremely pleased.

[–]NeoreactionSafe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's all part of the same plan.

The goal for a hundred years or more is to have a Globalist Tyranny who rule over a globe filled with dumbed down beta slaves.

The Red Pill is about waking up from the trap (Matrix) being set for us.


[–]protonationalist-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

The nazis fought the globalists to try and secure the stable family.

[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No, actually the Nazis were invented to balance Stalin's Russia.


[–]VancouverSucks1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Stalin and Hitler were both funded and installed by Jews and the goal the creation of Israel and to kill as many Christians as possible.

[–]NeoreactionSafe3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy


We use the term Globalist Tyranny.

Saudi Arabia is part of the Globalist Tyranny, but aren't Jewish.

ISIS serves the goals of the Globalist Tyranny, but aren't Jewish. you see how bad modeling creates a false view.

Stick to the generic term.

Don't fall into the narrow perspective trap... this is far bigger than just the Rothschild Zionists.

But at the same time the Rothschild Zionists are part of it.


[–]sacarneiro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I will frame this up and put it at my door way. Thanks.

[–]dogdogdogdo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or you could just buy a Geisha. It could be easier

[–]fredgravy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would love to see this posted in purplepilldebate..

Edit : original post got removed because I linked to the purplepilldebate sub..

[–]cdsdenise0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Certainly you shouldn't be an ugh, fuck that. you should want to hear, they get married.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is how women want to be. While our ultimate drives are for success and to be the best in our field of work, women want to be the best in hosting and hospitality. Amazing! not

[–]wookinpanub10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ya know I'd be happy with the "Be a little gay" recommendation; 50s or current definition.

[–]greatmikeshark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

do you have the name of this book or a picture of the article?

[–]djcabbagehead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a known hoax. It's satire! The "good old days" were never this good!'s_Guide

[–]Dylena points points [recovered] | Copy

You people DO realize it was possible for this scenario to work, only when the husband was the sole money-bringer to the household? That it was enough for him to work for those 8-10 hours daily (without weekends) to finance himself, his wife and his (several) kids?

And that it was only for a short period of time, in the wealthy Western countries of XXth century?

Most countries of South America, Asia or Eastern Europe (not to mention Africa) never experienced anything like this. This happened only for the briefest of moments in the human history and will never happen again.

This Red Pill context from an outdated book won't work in our New Brave World.

Still, it's nice to see that women once tried to advice each other on being nicer to your spouse. The author(s) knew she was a part of the unit called family and she knew it's smart to play her part. For the betterment of everyone involved.

[–]Kizrock940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh dear, we're already near that place called Brave New 1984

[–]writemeoffgiveuponme0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Post a picture of it op. I'm very interested

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The article in question is a fake and so is the attic story.

[–]The_M0rning_Star0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yea what textbook did you find it in?

[–]srkjfone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In the current world. The he gets replaced by she. Heforshe is all a out that. Feminism is cancer.

[–]DntPnicIGotThis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reading some of these threads and I feel I should urge caution to my brothers here. A lot of misplaced anger is leading to irrational hate. We are each here in this sub to help improve one another through a common philosophy. KEEP LIFTING

[–]LordThunderbolt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of these are unnecessary but the whole idea is right. What I like most about this is that it outline clearly the difference in the life of a husband and a wife. Women don't understand that u got ur own fucking problems from work and life to deal with it, and all they do is dump more problems on u.

[–]butter_coffee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This isn't even the oppression bs feminists talk about, this is just common sense that makes both wife and husband happy. It's like purposefully antagonizing him for the sake of your "individuality" and "freedom" makes both parties miserable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thing is, this is exactly the kind if love a woman should have for a man. And men should have the same kind of love for their woman, however it is shown

[–]southak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Am I the only one here who thinks this is a hoax? How come the only mentions of this come from a framed picture claiming to come from a 1950's book but none offer the name of the book or the author? Sounds like the sort of hoax that is assumed to be true because it is so believable but actually isn't.

edit I just saw some of the links debunking this. My hoax-o-meter is still working :)

[–]TALzFGxawb1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

2 thoughts on this:

1) one of my FWBs does this sort of thing for her husband. open hypergamy, doesn't really fuck him except on rare occasion. takes care of the house/meals, works (less than him, and at lower pay, but contributes), and helps him with shit like dressing appropriately for interviews. it's interesting: she knows that she's not inherently valuable, and actually has to contribute, but she also knows that she has the upper hand in the relationship and can make demands that would be totally unreasonable in the past. she upsets feminists, and she upsets traditionalists

2) i think the part that feminism got right is that women shouldn't have to do this based on what kind of junk they were born with (also it's a pretty good bargaining chip. basically going on strike. but feminism isn't organized strongly enough to strike and make deals in a reasonable way).

the part they got wrong is that somebody has to do it if you want people to have nice lives. that could be whoever works less, or it could switch if people do seasonal work or something, or it could be shared roughly equally etc. maybe house work becomes paid work. maybe it becomes robot work

the nuclear family is dead, but we need to look at the wreckage to see what we can salvage and what we're better off without

[–]seeing-red-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It can't switch though. House-husband is a shit deal because she will lose all attraction.

[–]Shobetheprobe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hope I don't get shit on this but this exactly how should a Muslim women behave with their husbands in Islam I still see it today. In majority of Muslim families where the husband is the breadwinner and women is the housewife.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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