Unless you're a hot girl or a guy from a well off family, your younger years (<25) are supposed to suck.

askmrcia · 2017-01-26T13:49:06+00:00

This issue would not get to people if they weren't so obsessed with social media. Whether its rich, middle class or working class kids that party a lot from what I've seen most do it just to post on social media. Meaning, I can't tell you how many times I went to college parties where tons of students attended and most weren't even having fun. Just a bunch of standing around and talking to the same people they came with. Taking tons of pictures like they are having fun.

This reminds me when I have traveled with a decent size student group overseas. Everyone is bragging how they love to travel. But after two days being in whatever place after everyone is done taking their pictures and posting them on social media, you can tell they are ready to go. They start complaining about the food, the way people smell, the place being dirty, the natives are racist, waiting in line at bus terminal, too much walking (the biggest complaint), ect...

Same with people that "like to go out." Give em a few hours (if that) then they start complaining about the music being loud, the girls being bitches, the guys being too thirsty, too many douche bags around, "this place aint even poppin, its dead in here," "omg its way too many people in here, lets leave", ect...

But once they get home and post all their pictures online, they are telling everyone on social media how much fun they had and how awesome their lives are despite the fact that they didn't do much for 80% of the time they were there.

I see this all time. Social media is an illusion. A lot of you guys here probably don't even like to party, but just want to keep to yourself and select friends. Nothing wrong with it. But I see many and I mean many people doing things that they don't care for just so they can post it on facebook. Don't even get me started on the Tough Mudder craze. People literally do that stuff just to take pictures so they can show the world how "cool" they are. Notice I said people, since guys do it too.

Personally I don't have an issue with those that like to party (I do myself), but the ones who truly do aren't posting pictures of themselves every time they go out.

So why did I bring this all up? Well this is why people feel left out. They are trying to live up to an image created by those around them, when that image isn't even real themselves. This is why we see women and girls who actually were at one point decent human beings, but because they see all their slutty "friends" whoring around and "getting that experience" causes these girls to want to do the same.

Experiencing something to see if you like it is one thing, to continue to do something just to make yourself into an image you are not to gain attention is just sad and another thing.

mozeiny · 2017-01-26T12:18:07+00:00

I used to hate people would tell me that HS and college would be the best years of my life because they fucking blew. I'm nearly 30 and having a blast.

To the young guys out there - don't stress. Your time will come

5t3fan0 · 2017-01-26T13:48:14+00:00

when i get depressed i concentrate on these solid facts:

1- im alive 2- im well fed 3- im clothed 4- ive a roof above my head 5- ive got no illness and all limbs

its a powerful double-edged hamstering.

traveldeedee · 2017-01-26T06:00:09+00:00

Brilliant post. You'll appreciate even the tiniest sweetness after experiencing all the bitterness.

I can relate 100% to this. After a tormenting quarter part of my life, everything now is upswinging. Thanks to the hardwork.

ronsoness · 2017-01-26T10:58:52+00:00

i'm from the sewer class of society, but i went to private school and college on scholarship. it was a very hard time. i tried my best to blend in, but ultimately, it cost me so much more to have fun, while middle class and upper class folks basically party with parent-subsidized or funded fun. i think that was my big mistake -- not fully understanding where i am in life and being so desperate to make friends and fit in. good advice. i think being able to get over the "life's not fair" hump is also important because being a poorer man in society, you need to accept that or it will drive you insane.

JackGetsIt · 2017-01-26T13:33:38+00:00

If you come from an impoverished or low middle class family and you have 'fun' in middle and highschool the rest of your life is devoted to minimum wage work or seasonal construction work.

Supersnazz · 2017-01-26T13:01:09+00:00

The happy youth, for the most part, is reserved for hot girls and for guys from wealthier families.

What about poorer redneck types? My 16 to 25 years were predominantly preoccupied with relatively carefree fucking around, that wasn't overly expensive. Hanging out at the beach, getting stoned on mountainsides, warehouse parties. All pretty cheap, and with a fun bunch of guys and girls.

You don't have to be rich to make out with the chick you met working the drivethru at McDonald's.

JHudsonBlack · 2017-01-26T08:57:43+00:00

This post hits me hard.

The most popular dudes at my college with the best social circles are the ones with loads of stories of drugs and women. They can eat wherever they want because they can afford to. I don't even have a car.

To he who had, more is given, to him who has none, even that which he doesn't have is taken away-The guys with the stories go on more trips and do more crazy shit and come up with more stories,

I'm invisible to all the women at my school. This is the torment quarter of my life.

Zenonlite · 2017-01-26T06:17:53+00:00

This post really hits home for me. I've come to accept the fact that my best years are going to be ahead of college. My parents raised me to be super bluepilled - prioritizing good grades over socializing and sports really screwed me up growing up. I never learned the value of lifting or how to be a social person. Doesn't help that I wasn't born a model, either.

It's going to take time for me to sculpt myself into the alpha I want to become in my later years.

ralphnlauren · 2017-01-26T10:02:14+00:00

We live in The 21st Century. You don't need to be rich to have fun.

Ride the bus and trains around your city, meet new people, form your own little cliques, have your own little adventures. The internet has warped the minds of people and now they think getting drunk at some party is a valuable experience. It isn't.

There is a whole world out there in your own back yard, where crazy adventures are meant to be found. You just have to look.

CommanderCumlord · 2017-01-26T11:01:54+00:00

Yeah my parents are wealthy and I'm fortunate to get to go out and party with my friends, drink, and meet some women. This only has gone so far for me and relied upon connections I have slowly made in and out of class. I still have to work now as well, and I am looking forward to complete independence and developing on my own after 25. I wasn't allowed to join Greek life by my parents, but I know if I was things definitely would have come easier.

Kids I know with parents that let them do what they want see some serious benefits. A friend of mine had a rich dad and was able to smoke and drink openly at home in high school. While a successful student and now at a top private university, because he was given free reign he constantly held parties at his place and commanded a couple of different social circles. Gave him a big upper hand.

Barmacist · 2017-01-26T18:49:00+00:00

Exactly, 18-24 was stressful and blew. Forced myself through school. None of that whole early 20s party life. Lived at home and felt like a looser.

Now im 25 with a 6 figure job and living in my own house. Aside from my debt load, shits good.

ShelDoNot · 2017-01-26T06:05:25+00:00

I'm 18 years old and I've realized this by myself with time, it's simply impossible to have such a life at that age without your parents giving you endless amounts of money.

However I do realize too, even if it's harder it actually makes it all that much interesting and worthwhile. Good post.

entj4life · 2017-01-26T07:11:27+00:00

I wish I heeded this advice when I was younger.

In high school, I always felt ashamed when I wasn't going out or hooking up with girls. All I was doing was playing video games.

However, the reality was that only 2 or 3 guys out of the 300 guys in my high school class were getting hot girls (and even of those 2 or 3 guys, they went complete beta mode on their girls who weren't even worthy of a boyfriend), yet because guys in relationships with girls and people going out were all I saw on facebook, I compared my life to theirs and thought my life was crappy.

Hell, even most of the girls weren't living it up, yet because the 20 or so most popular girls shared their adventures on social media, it made me feel inadequate.

So I went to college. I tried living it up, pushing my comfort zone, and actually went to quite a lot of parties. I was inspired by all the movies of crazy parties like Project X and songs like "I love college." But after experiencing it, I didn't enjoy it.

I made a ton of 'friends,' but one thing I learned is that it's impossible to have a deep bond with about 95% of the people you meet due to incompatibility or lack of chemistry. That's just life, and that's a good thing too. If you had chemistry and bonded with every single person you met, then that would be too many people to manage.

The huge college parties were overrated, uncomfortable, and just not that fun.

I have always preferred having a small group of friends and just having a small get-together.

And working towards the end goal of improving yourself, getting a job, getting your own place, and having more freedom after the youth stage is always worth it (plus you're still youthful at 25ish)

Also, all the spoiled kids I knew peaked out in their lives. What happened to the popular, spoiled kids in middle school I envied? Not doing too shabby now. Same for the spoiled kids who lived it up in high school and college.

Actually, it's kind of a curse being spoiled because you take what you have for granted and you don't push yourself further. So don't envy them. Understand what's really going on.

edit: It seems that a lot of people disagree on whether or not Chads live life to the fullest after graduation.

I really don't want that topic to be the focus on this conversation; it's simply a side comment I made based on MY experiences, and of course, your experiences may differ from mine.

Here is the main point I wanted to focus on: don't envy the Chad lifestyle and don't let it make you feel like you're missing out.

I've lived it, and like I said earlier, it's not all it's portrayed to be. Most of these people you have no chemistry with, and often times the environments themselves just aren't enjoyable.

I've chilled with these people, and often times, the conversations are vapid, all the "bros" who hang out together don't really seem to click or look like they're having fun together, etc.

After experiencing reality, I can never get jealous of these people after spending time with them. I have much more fun shooting the shit with one of my nerdy friends than going out for a night with 5 popular bro dudes who don't seem to click with each other, which just makes things awkward.

But hey, if you like that lifestyle, then more power to you. In my experience, only a minority of people truly enjoy it. It's just not for most people so there's no need to envy it if it isn't for you.

Randomshortdude · 2017-01-26T22:57:47+00:00

Words can't express how fucking accurate this whole post was

KIZAN · 2017-01-26T13:01:19+00:00

As a young guy, there's this conception that "your time will come much later". The thing is, I don't know if there will even be a time. I am missing out and it seems it will always be that way. I told myself out of highschool, I'll achieve higher but I'm at the exact same place. I feel trapped.

cosco125 · 2017-01-26T10:02:57+00:00

It was all about just studying and getting a job in retail when I was loyal, we eventually broke up because she cheated.

teddytravels · 2017-01-26T16:14:00+00:00

29m here. my high school years sucked (ugly, introverted, shy, broke). things are only beginning to "turn up" for me. my "social popularity" only started around 22 (took me 4 years to finally come out of my introverted shell in college) and my financial success only started around 27. although my looks are fading (i peaked at about an 8 for a few years between 22-26), i have a feeling i will be in a happy medium and have exponential life success in my 30s.

health, wealth, and personality. the trifecta. you don't need to be great in all, but a bit of each goes a loooong way.

[deleted] · 2017-01-26T13:37:51+00:00

Having a shitty upbringing is the norm IMO

I bet I'll put mine up against another guy, and it'll look worse than most, better than many. The FemI that ruins the experience is the one where mothers treat their sons like women, vent all their frustrations, etc.

Even my borderline abusive step-father had many red pill lessons for me. But because the women in my life had me hate it all, I threw out the baby with the bathwater, and assumed it was all garbage. So, all those behaviours that turn them on, you became the defacto orbiter male, and listened to her vent. But you're just a kid, you believe it all at face value, you don't know any better.

And he didn't know any better either. his dad used to beat the shit out of him, and only told him to be the plow horse for life. He bought into the same lie that all BP men did, and when there was nothing for him at the end of that tunnel, of course he had no positive way to be masculine, all he knew was to lash out at a worldview that simply wanted another work horse.

You promise to never treat women badly, not like that guy. you do all the things all the girls told you growing up you should do. And if you were lucky, you figured out it was largely bullshit, or you came here, and had other guys give you a roadmap

Sounds familiar to TBP bitching about TRP eh? self improvement, but such hate etc.

I would argue that, like OP says, you should have a shitty childhood. Nothing makes you want to get out and make your fortune like a house that you cannot wait to leave. Just a single generation ago, it was normal for guys to have moved out and be on their own at 17/18... do modern guys even think of it as an option? If it werent for suffering, men wouldn't do shit, they would lay around, eat caveman chips, and jerk off.

TALzFGxawb · 2017-01-26T16:14:19+00:00

this is mostly true. upper middle class (or higher) will get you a totally different school experience

part of that different experience is material advantage, but part of it is cultural/learned. the learned part is something to pay attention to, because you can learn from it

some cultural aspects that upper middle class does better for themselves:

challenge is good - thrill seeking, competitive sports/degrees
healthy habits - morning routine, scheduled activities
entitlement - they deserve raises, hot women, etc.

there's also some negatives in there. like, they often get anxiety over not working hard enough, or some of them do get apathetic and start coasting if they have too easy a time in high school. there's also a tendency to focus on material possessions, which can go into pretty beta territory. some guys get all the advantaged and don't fall into any of those traps, though

they learn these mindsets from a young age. their parents put have these habits, and they put them in a bunch of activities. poor kids get a TV and a shitty 15 year old babystitter instead. you have to start now, so you have some catching up to do, but even small steps can improve your life significantly

spartan1337 · 2017-01-26T08:18:17+00:00

True, no money, no car or shitty car, and poor friends and you'd be banging hood rats at most. I had an awesome car when I was 17, was at the best college in my country BUT I was still in a LDR with my gf of 3-4 years. We were 3 hours away, i visited on the weekends. I missed A LOT of AAA prime pussy because I was loyal, we eventually broke up because she cheated. Lots of wasted opportunities. Same thing happened again but for a longer period, I so regret having a LTR, AWALT. Don't make the same mistakes I did.

ShouldersofGiants127 · 2017-01-26T17:48:06+00:00

Imo the only reason our younger years we suck is because we long for shit that we dont have. I realized I was doing that at 20 and my life has been great ever since.

555553211 · 2017-01-26T22:51:53+00:00

Good post but I don't agree with this "they'll suffer and you'll come out on top" bp fantasy. That's like bp guys thinking "yeah this hot chick humiliated me but she sure will regret it after she hits the wall" - it's simply never going to happen.

peelen · 2017-01-26T20:20:50+00:00

Call it bullshit. So often here I see generalization treated as rule. In the title should not be "are supposed to suck", but rather "it's not exception that's your life sucks".

I grow up in poor family in communist country, and my life didn't sucked. Sure as every health person I got some ups and downs, but still wouldn't call it "sucked".

I never was on fancy vacation, but I spent a lot of time at my grandparents place where I and my cousins were unstoppable wild bunch going for neighbors apples, and pears, swimming in the stream, fishing in the industrial pond and being chasing for that. We were building our snow forts, making our own ice slides etc. I am ginger what for now (you look like fucking Viking bro) seems to be not a problem, but when you are kid it's very common to be marked as ginger that no one should trust. But I switch it when I came up with the nick name "Goldie", and from now I wasn't Ginger any more I was a Golden one.

When I was 15 I became punk and started to hang out with people that I choose (not kids from school that were pre chosen for me). People who didn't look on how much money do you have, but they looked for what you can bring to group as a person. I've beed in few bands (even if never went over two or three rehearsals it was still fun).

When I was 20 I hitchhiked through all Europe.

Hey I even manage to meet Miss of the Universe (or World because it's seems to be not the same) and the richest woman in my country (yes sure that was very short, work related, meetings and I'm sure they don't remember that, but still).

I officially represented my own country on EXPO, and few times was on dinner with different ambassadors.

And all of this before I was 24.

And I did it with a lot of people who were in very similar situation to mine, and no one said "hies/her life sucked".

I just didn't complain on quality of my life I just was trying to have as much fun as I could.

So no. Your life not "supposed" to suck. Nobodies life "supposed" to suck. If your life sucks there is a pretty good chance that you suck. Sure there are plenty of really objectively dramatic situations in life, but unless you have roof over your head, and both legs and hands, and don't have to worry what to eat, your life is in your hands, and it's your choice to make it.

Stop looking for others, stop looking where other went for vacation, stop looking what other people wear, or have, or do. Start looking for what you can get, what you can do, where you can go, who you can meet.

And funny story: I had a very hot girlfriend and her parents were (are) wealthy, and when I found out about her life I found out what does it mean "life sucks" (abusive father who beat her mother), and no wealth or hotness can protect you from fist of the father.

So if your life sucks ask yourself: is there any way I can change it? Because there are two kinds of people those who search for reason and those who search for resolutions.

But will agree with one thing: if your schools times are the best time of your life it means that you made some mistake after the school and it's a high time to change something in your life.

Hitleresque · 2017-01-26T14:52:59+00:00

I can vouch for this. I know I'm late to the party but I need to vent a little. My high school career was depressing, I was a nerdy outcast that was too shy to even dare talk to girls.

I was a pretty late bloomer, didn't lose my virginity until my first year of university, mostly because I started dressing well and actually talking to people. Quickly started dating a girl. Life was okay for about a year, but she was a huge slut and liked to gaslight me about it. It fucked me up mentally pretty bad, had to go on some meds for a bit.

Then I found TRP. Since then I've been hitting the gym 4 times a week, working a part time job, doing volunteer work in a lab on campus, and have maintained a full 5 credit course load. Now, I know the work I'm putting in will pay off, lifting specifically has already improved my life in ways I couldn't have imagined, but I am fucking miserable. I'm 22, in the final stretch of finishing university, and I just can't wait for it to end. I have a job lined up, I can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel, but I haven't been truly happy or at ease for at least 3 years now. If anyone should read this and is having a similar experience, just know I'm rooting for you. It's not going to be easy, but you will be rewarded for your efforts.

[deleted] · 2017-01-26T17:20:31+00:00

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be a hot blind white girl. Then maybe I'll know what it is to be privileged.

Edit: blonde but I guess the intention still stands.

adam-l · 2017-01-26T21:13:54+00:00

One of the most self-defeating mistake underprivileged youngsters make, is fixating and going after the hot blonde upper-middle class cheerleader. These girls are mating upwards. The chance that they will fall for the less-than-Greek-God lower-class guy is so abysmally small, that should be considered exactly zero. Train yourself to not even look at these girls.

In fact, all girls are mating upwards. That's why, until you become a hot-shot, you should arrange your sex life in a way that is adequate and rewarding. This means fucking down. Fucking down is your staple, and the off-middle class chick that falls for you is your rare splurge.

So, if you are not noticing the blazing hot young cleaning lady, because she is an immigrant and possibly wearing a uniform, you are being an idiot. Why put 100x the effort for the physically inferior middle class chick, when the (dubious) sex you'll get from her will be of inferior quality?

Separate your taking care of your sexual needs from satisfying your ego, and solutions reveal themselves to you.

dontbedenied · 2017-01-26T13:06:17+00:00

Man, you perfectly described my life. I came from working class rural America and went to university at a big party school. Although I had some good times and hooked up with a decent amount of girls, I found myself jealous a lot of the time , mainly over financial things.

Simply put, money dictated what you could and couldn't do, and who you could and couldn't be with or do things with. Hot girls want to be with guys who can afford to do cool shit, live in a nice apartment, and have nice things.

I am an attractive guy but I was beta as fuck during that time. I couldn't figure out why the girls I wanted didn't want to be with me. The truth was I didn't have the right attitude, and I didn't have any money. That's a formula for failure.

Thanks again for sharing.

tyson2444 · 2017-01-26T15:10:20+00:00

I'm 19, I had a great childhood, middle school sucked, high school was great, especially after discovering TRP when I was 14-ish, college is pretty swell. Went to a bad high school, currently attending community college, from a working-class family (according to a test given to us by our sociology professor). I'm happy with my life and I think I will always be, so long as I continue to improve it as I have done for years, but I do agree that after finishing my education around age 25: life will once again improve. My career goal is to become a psychopharmacologist, or a pharmacist if that doesn't work out, I study the basics of psychiatry, pharmacology, psychopharmacology, neuropharmacology, and chemistry in my spare time. I'm making more time to work out and eventually attend BJJ class regularly once I have the cardio. I'm not attractive but somehow I've always managed to get my share without much effort, I'm either naturally charismatic, or have internalized RP. Regardless, I derive my happiness from myself, my memories, my friends, lifting, martial arts, and my passion: psychopharmacology. Maybe I'm just permanently hypomanic though. I partied a lot, I still could if I wanted to, thanks to my savings from a well-paying job I obtained through my mentor, but i'd rather save that to further my education.

TL;DR find your passion & career goal and pursue both by any means. Learn as much as possible, as knowledge is its own reward. I might just be hypomanic all the time and very lucky.

zxz242 · 2017-01-26T17:14:23+00:00

Absolutely.

Have this be a great incentive to rally for Social Democratic reforms, so that the next generation won't have this kind of gap.

H2offroad · 2017-01-26T18:46:05+00:00

Can confirm. Am a hot guy from a well off family, pussy lines up for me.

wanderer779 · 2017-01-26T23:11:06+00:00

This was ok but then you got into a bit of a just world argument. The reality is that the advantages the rich are given over the poor tend to hold through adulthood too.

Just be glad you were born in the first world at all. Most people are even worse off. There will always be someone who had it easier bit envy and resentment will do you no good.

[deleted] · 2017-01-27T03:07:28+00:00

You can have the wealth and still have a bad experience, maybe because your parents weren't around or your influences were not very great.

You could of strove and read as much books as you could and did everything you could but your environment wasn't as good as the person next to you. Don't judge yourself so that it hinders you, continue to move forward and try to enjoy the little things, like having a bed to sleep in.

Once you make money, use it on classes that help you grow as a person, and surround yourself with people that have a common goal (taking a class like spanish or jiu jitsu, plus one for physical).

Start developing a good healthy sense of self esteem based on your own values and principles that you found works, like, start eating healthier so you are not hating life in the afternoons, be consistent in whatever exercise regimen you can do even if it's just walking with an ipod on, or even just say thank you every night when you're about to sleep and are able to.

The biggest problem for me was always opening up, and the biggest changing factor for me was joining a jiu jitsu class. But this was all after I read a lot of books, tried all these body weigh and barbell things by myself, join all these different classes and etc.

Keep going, strive to be the top 1%, keep trying new things. Never become addicted to anything. Learn that suffering and love go hand in hand, and opening up yourself to your fullest expression can be rewarding.

never become dependent to fault, let others depend on you.

circlhat · 2017-01-27T11:13:39+00:00

Ahh, finding winning on failure, honestly man human are adaptable, I use to walk 8 miles a day to work, and it didn't feel miserable, you know why? Because I didn't compare myself to others.

and know that it is normal for life to suck in your teens and early 20s unless you're a hot girl or from a well off family.

I know a young man who picked up a PUA book, totally changed his life from never being kissed to getting girls left and right, I could see him growing and refraining his game every day.

In other words he made his life awesome

ForgedInProdigy · 2017-01-27T16:30:25+00:00

This post also demonstrates the power of TV. It influences the lens with which we use to view the world at an age where we are easily swayed and rarely skeptical enough to use our critical thinking skills.

Adamn27 · 2017-01-26T16:40:45+00:00

Bullshit.

I have read the title and couldn't stop myself from reading your whole post with the little taste of "what is he talking about???"

I must say i disagree with you in most of your matter, in fact I think that you should not trigger younglings easily impressionable minds about "your younger years supposed to suck". - because it is simple not true. Nothing is "supposed to be" anything. Who told this? What is this rule at all?

First of all, you have clearly raised your standard of values about the following point:

"NOT being rich equals sad younghood. BECAUSE MONEY MAKE HAPPINESS"

This is only your point of view. You have declared poor, or middle class families like they have a granted chance that their children will live a hard and miserable life before the age of 25.

I sense envious talk here.

You know I'm from a middle class family, we had no pool parties (and helicopter parties, lol) and abroad trips like teens have in american movies, but we were happy. We did a lot of fun thing together and we did not make a buck we just enjoyed each others company.

You say that "happy youth is the biggest blue pill".

This is crazy crazy talk here. Some of you in this forum become insane with this red or blue pull choice. If this would be true, no one on planet earth would have swallowed red pill before the age of 25. Who the hell not wants happiness? If red pill makes your life better thus happier then your statement is paradox.

Some of you guys here obsessed with this idol of "red pill" instead of getting it's philosophy.

I had a very happy and fun teenage, I had all the things a teenager could have: friends, fights, girlfriends, break ups, large laughs and cries and all the ups and downs that a young man can have. Call me bluepill because I was happy but do not tell your young admirers who contact you in the internet that "your youth supposed to be sucky" because it is simple not true.

One more thing that I should highlight from this, I must say that I'm not from the USA and I do not know how the things are getting there but there are other parts of this world and where I live it does not matter if your families rich or poor. If you do have good grades, there you go, you can go to any university. FREE.

And if you say that a poor child should have to study to get rich take the following:

STUDYING IS NOT "SUCK". It's one of the largest miracle of mankind. Even we are here in this sub are all pupils in the teachings of the red pill course. Also, we live in an age where the ability to study new things is the greatest wealth you can have. And this ability is up to you regardless of your family treasure.

In general I think this post is very very one-sided, superficial, not-considered and groundless. It's came from very deep from you maybe you envious maybe you just angry, whatever everybody have something to curse on, of course me too, its okay. But please:

Do not program our generation's young men that they SUPPOSED TO BE SUCK. Because this thought is entirely wrong.

Offendsthemods · 2017-01-26T19:25:51+00:00

WTF? This is total BS, it is what you make it hot or not, money or not. Take control of your life and stop being a sad little snowflake.

Randomshortdude · 2017-01-26T11:24:41+00:00

Lol this guy is gold.

My parents were nurses, I didn't realize we had a fortune.

Again, this guy is just peddling rationalizations for upvotes. Summarize his last two TRP posts: "Only rich guys have fun in high school and college." Guess what happens? All the losers of the red pill feel good about their shit lives or pasts because now someone is telling them it wasn't their fault. You weren't wealthy bro, don't worry about it.

This guy is completely full of shit.

penguin_brigade · 2017-01-26T12:34:38+00:00

Parents have no money whatsoever and don't give me anything. I've still managed to have a great time in college. Work 30 hours a week waiting tables, joined a fraternity, bought a cheap old Jeep, rented a big ass house with friends for less than the cost of shitty apartment. There's a lot of decisions you can make that don't depend on money.

Gody117 · 2017-01-26T22:53:06+00:00

I agree that 16-22 is isn't necessarily going to be the best years of your life, that's definitely an exageration. But to say that you can't have a happy youth if you're not rich is just absolutely fucking ridiculous. I just hope that young people on here won't just believe your words.

JRTB_96 · 2017-01-26T18:40:39+00:00

Eh what, I'm not from a remotely rich family (actually from a dogshit dysfunctional one) , aged 20, and my life is outstanding. Stop with this loser bullshit

lv_21 · 2017-01-26T18:47:37+00:00

I can also relate to this. I was social conditioned as fuck by my parents. Everyone kept me down. Im 19 now, own my own business, and moved out. But before, it was hell. I come from an extremely poor family and my whole life was shit up until not long ago.

However, All the hardships really formed a character out of me. My patience is unreal. So there is a plus side.

spidermansredballs · 2017-01-26T14:53:56+00:00

Everyone should be self-aware with your situation in life and not compare your life to other people as everyone has different advantages/disadvantages and idealizing the "life" seen on tv and movies is setting you up for failure.

However, one should be careful to not fall into victim mentality as many have pointed out that there are ways to break the norm and enjoy life on your own terms.

NullCorp · 2017-01-26T15:09:26+00:00

Recent college grad here (3 years out). In the long run, I'm glad I was working class and didn't have anything paid for and had to work full time from ages 18-22 with no vacations or discretionary income etc, because that made me who I am today. I have a great degree, a great job, I'm working on my 3rd career certification, and I'm the most successful person I know. Jeez, I make today what my mom and dad made combined while raising 3 kids. I envied the rich kids, but not so much anymore, because so many of them don't know how to leave the nest.

I_dontevenlift · 2017-01-26T15:23:18+00:00

mm not sure if I agree with this post here. Im not the most attractive guy ever, and my parents make combined 150k or so for three children but I had a wonderful childhood and young youth. Throughout gradeschool I mostly played video games and stayed indoors all day, but I was happy and I dont regret it. College I went out every Friday Saturday and sometimes on Thursday, and hooked up with plenty girls, tried drugs and alcohol, many jobs, gotten into a handful of fights, and had 4 girlfriends during this whole period. Now, at 24, starting off my career, my experiences throughout my youth helped mold who I am.

zephyrprime · 2017-01-26T15:54:14+00:00

It used to be that after you graduated high school you had your freedom but now college and housing is so expensive you don't have any free time to do anything because you need to work to pay the bills.

OgreMcGee · 2017-01-26T15:59:14+00:00

I don't think too many people get into fitness heavily until later in their life either. If you want to reach peak fitness it can take YEARS of training, and even if you start at the age of 20 or 18 it will be a while longer until you can reap the maximum benefit.

I expected the a year or two from now I'll have finally reached all my fitness goals, and weigh a lean 60 lbs more than when I first started. That's a life changing transformation. I see it pretty often, and I feel it every day already. Fun.

dk2003 · 2017-01-26T16:06:13+00:00

This is what I love about the Red Pill. Not only it preaches to appreciate yourself and put your needs first but it teaches hard work and determination.

PMmeareasontolive · 2017-01-26T17:24:39+00:00

My youth was miserable as a result of my lack of confidence, not because of lack of money. I worked shitty jobs and I was tight with my money. I ate cereal for breakfast and dinner. Fortunately my friends were in the same boat so we were ok with drinking at home or even in the woods rather than at bars.

The thing is, your peers are all around you, in school, or working entry level jobs. I was lucky enough to always be able to find at least one close friend because of this. If I wasn't so shy I could have had girlfriends too.

This isn't the case when you get older. Your cohort scatters to the winds and now they need top shelf liquor and organic stuff from Whole Foods, and generally have expectations of a greater level conspicuous consumption.

bastardstepchild · 2017-01-26T17:25:53+00:00

I think you're right but it applies to extremely rich guys (top 10%) and any above-average girls.

crx1 · 2017-01-26T17:44:18+00:00

If normal, good-looking young men from well-off families are not assertive and do not work hard enough and push for what they want, their younger and later years will still suck (trust me).

megustaelgato · 2017-01-26T17:54:33+00:00

26 and can confirm life is still pretty rough. I learned to believe that once we are stressed is because we are about to make a leap in life. Any advice or book recommendations on day to day stress. Work and relationship?

phoenix_maestro · 2017-01-26T19:03:19+00:00

I think the most important part of enjoying these years are parents who instill good values and put you on the right track. I was raised upper-middle class, my parents could've afforded most luxuries, but my high school and college years were mostly miserable.

I needed someone to teach me the value of fitness, being social and getting involved. Instead I spent most of these years getting high and playing video games. Thankfully I and found this sub and have made solid progress, I think I've even gained a vague understanding of the world, but I wish my parents had made me play sports or join a club or something.

Thomaskingo · 2017-01-26T22:51:19+00:00

If having a happy youth for a guy means getting lots of strange pussy, then yes few guys experience that. At least to their desired degree in line with the chads of that he bracket. This does however not hotshot to do with money or not having to work for a living. It's fairly straightforward, that women between 13-21 almost only rank males' SMV based on their physicality, I.e. strength, health, swolenes, size and grooming. That's why high school varsity team guys swim in pussy, even if they are beta and bluepill as fuck. You were supposed to have a happy youth. You just didn't because you sucked, when you are younger. If things a better, then it's either a SMV differential thing, or else you simply suck less. Congrats.v

Koebs · 2017-01-26T20:31:34+00:00

Huh I guess me being poor and having tons of fun was all an illusion.

[deleted] · 2017-01-26T21:04:18+00:00

I'm attractive my younger years were hard AF. Looks don't stop crazy parents from being crazy. Wouldn't change it for the world; struggle makes you a man.

Prime_Tyme · 2017-01-26T21:23:29+00:00

Frats can even sometimes be cheaper then on campus living

[deleted] · 2017-01-26T21:37:18+00:00

Keep in mind that life and it's experiences are relative. Hot girls get all the attention they could ever want when they're young. Usually they don't know how to handle it so it turns them into shitty people (after the cc). Average guys on the other hand are completely invisible. As we develop into men and mold our selves through work and experience, we receive our recognition at the same rate we earn it. This allows us to have gratitude and be thankful for what we have earned socially, financially etc. I pitty women and rich kids that get given luxury, power and social influence before they are ready for it. For them, it is truly a curse.

craterman · 2017-01-26T22:17:06+00:00

i'm 28 and my life still sucks. what the fuck do i do?

MyNameIsNotRight · 2017-01-26T22:23:00+00:00

Thanks for this I really needed to hear it. Graduated recently with a stem degree and I still love with my parents almost two years later. I guess that's just how things will be for a while. I've noticed that when people tell you how great things will be after high school/college they never tell you about others who had a shitty life even after. Something like a second set of rules you have to follow or conditions you have to meet.

CuriousFloyd · 2017-01-26T22:44:34+00:00

What is "Greek Life"? I've seen it mentioned a lot recently.

Toussant · 2017-01-26T22:54:48+00:00

Also, it doesn't start to not suck just because of age, you have to keep building up your capabilities. Age raises expectations so a 35 year old drifter seems strange compared to the 22 year old vagabond. Early successes can lead to stagnation and a backward trajectory if you drop the effort level. I've seen ex athletes and vets lose control of their weight. Their talk of the past might as well be talk of their parents' (someone else's) past.

Try to find something you're willing to stick with. Everyone has FOMO but it's all similar; getting to a level of expertise is better than dabbling around long-term.

OldManGoonSquad · 2017-01-26T23:58:07+00:00

Man I really needed to hear this. I let myself get in a rut after I lost my job a little awhile ago, and the other day I finally decided I was through with my own shit. My LTR gave me a slap back to reality when she made a comment about who I was when I met her (Much more alpha) and where I am now. I was letting myself go and I kept blaming it on everything except myself.

I hopped back on here and have been re-reading a number of important posts/links and it really screwed my head back on straight, this post especially. I just turned 21 and come from a family who isn't well off, so reading this really fucking motivated me. I appreciate it dude.

zeegraggs · 2017-01-27T00:53:34+00:00

Would you say this still applies in Canada? Consider that our tuition is much less ($7000-$11 000) and there's no Greek life, which means way more people are able to go away for university with less debt. I'm wondering because I'm in the process of deciding if I go away next year or stay at home. My parents are middle class.

MrBellsprout123 · 2017-01-27T02:33:14+00:00

Great post man, thank you for this.

Borkforgabe · 2017-01-27T04:53:22+00:00

Speaking from experience, if I'd had to actually work in my early 20s I doubt I'd have had the time to get around since I'd probably have met less people.

And going to a university where pretty much everyone's existence is paid for by their parents, it does make me wonder how different a lot of the girls (who massively overrate their SMV) outlooks on life would be if they'd had to put themselves through education. I'd doubt they'd be as willing to brush off nearly every guy they meet/fuck in the hopes that something better is waiting around the corner from them, because what they don't realise is that after college those guys won't be queuing up for them anymore.

Female students on the whole have a huge misconception of how attractive they actually are and guys who don't appreciate their self worth are probably partly to blame since as a sex we're allowing ourselves to be dominated by sub-par women during higher education and it needs to stop. I make this point because I meet graduates and women who have not gone to uni and they have no such misconception about where they are in the pecking order. Obviously guys do this as well, but the difference is, high SMV women aren't fucking low SMV men (until maybe age 30 at the minimum if they've decided they need to settle down and have kids) so no one is adding fuel to the fire in this false belief for (at the very least) young men.

Relating back to the post; your younger years do not have to suck as a man if you're not born with a silver spoon in your mouth, you just have to work harder for it.

Get in the gym, focus on yourself, put yourself out there with confidence and don't dance to the tune of everyone else around you.

As for women, I'd say that the need to be "hot" for your youth not to suck is probably not the case since the false self-belief that they are hot (which is then supported by men who undervalue themselves) leads them to have the same youth-experience as the girls who are -actually- hot.

Andgelyo · 2017-01-27T04:56:22+00:00

"For those who fight for it, life has a flavor that the sheltered will never know"- Theodore Roosevelt. I'm 26, grew up in a predominantly poor neighborhood in NJ metropolitan area, experienced depression, experienced academic failure numerous times due to unfavorable life circumstances, had to take out loans to pay for college because my parents couldn't afford to pay for it, grew up with a verbally abusive father, and I'm just now starting to experiencing life as it is while other rich/spoiled people are getting married, having kids....and guess what? I don't get regret anything that has happened to me in life. These experiences turned me into a battle hardened soldier ready to murder my enemies. I know the value of hard work and how failure, poverty, and deep depression can really fucking drive a person to become the best and most successful version of themselves. All these experiences, especially growing up with friends who have grown up in similar households, and faced similar challenges (two of my good friends are drug dealers) caused me to have a hypermasculine mindset.

smokecheck1976 · 2017-01-27T14:02:42+00:00

Have you ever heard of the code of the road? I mean the real one. It's a lot like Vegas. You don't talk about what happened on the road, and not because it's illegal but because you don't want to deprive someone else of that experience.

16 was Saturday Night Lights for me. Football was life. All the lawns I mowed, all the leaves I raked, a long list of some pretty shitty low paying jobs were so that I could get to the gym and the track and train for an hour of glory ten times a season.

17 was dealing with a blood clot on the occipital lobe of my brain caused by a hit I took playing football. You know, I learned who my real friends were. I probably missed out on a sports scholarship. I picked up a guitar and learned how to play, and left high school with my first year of college complete.

18 was spent at the local CC and having fun with my friends, and still working my ass off. The best memory I have of 18 is this little red head who told me how much of a Christian she was then spent half the night fucking me with abandon, only to tell me I couldn't tell her boyfriend.

19-22, I finished an AS and hated sitting in school. I joined the Army. It was a whole new adventure and worth it. the only mistake I made was getting married to a woman that I should have just pumped and dumped.

22 - 25, I spent a year and a half working at a shot wage before a friend called and asked me to come work with him. I took it. It paid for a house on a quiet lane and enough for me to start a business with zero debt and money in the bank. No regrets.

pevans12 · 2017-01-27T17:54:24+00:00

Graduated in 2009 with no connection to anyone in a major metro city. Wasn't handed shit from my parents other then love. I had a part time job in college... and couldn't find a job in marketing in 2009.

Needed a job... found one that wasn't related to field. It was selling cars.

Killed it... year after year after year I was salesman of the year. It was natural for me. I just bullshitted my way through it and then crafted it over and over again.

However, I didn't take a hard took at myself personally.... I didn't work out, didn't bother to listen to elders older then me about my health and fitness.

That's different now. It comes in time, we all work on different things at different speeds and paces. I'm almost 30.

I'll figure it out, figured the rest out.... thanks for the amazing post.

epubliusrex · 2017-01-27T18:47:01+00:00

Hated high school. I even mostly checked out of the clique I started in 7th grade. From the end of sophomore year on I just wanted out. College was the same--I wanted to be done and get in with the actual conquering of life. It's not that I was lonely. I had GFs and others to play with. I jut wanted out and into the real world.

Life really only begins at age 25. Now you're old enough to be taken seriously if you're intelligent. Now you're old enough to be invited to serious cocktail parties. Now you're old enough to begin to conquer.

Save the younger girls for the post 30 period. The older they get, the less BS. I dated "older" women from the age of 22 on--until I turned 30, then I went the other way.

Randombro11111 · 2017-01-28T05:44:13+00:00

I really needed this. This is the shit that has been plaguing my mind. I'm glad at least others understand my longing for an enjoyable life.

Username_2017 · 2017-01-28T18:10:33+00:00

Right now I'm currently living with my parents after three semesters of college. I'm now $30k in debt and currently do not have a job.

twomeows · 2017-01-29T01:16:29+00:00

This is an amazing post. Great job.

redpanda-salami · 2017-02-01T13:51:05+00:00

Just to clarify one of your statements:

For most Greek Life, the dues plus housing and food costs much less than living on Campus.

I know that I personally will be living in a Greek house next year because it is over 2000$ cheaper.

That said Greek life is not the only way to enjoy life and college can be a good experience if a person keeps an open mind.

ShredLobster · 2017-02-14T21:40:00+00:00

Killed it then, still killing it now....for the most part. Only shit part is that 100 girls don't congregate in my basement to get shitfaced several times a week...

Solipsistic_guy · 2017-07-25T05:08:02+00:00

This is a late comment but I'm glad I read this ! I've really struggled through my childhood years ! All of what you mentioned caused in me a constant feeling of inadequacy. But things have changed now and I believe I'm more a man than any who had it "easy".

caP1taL1sm · 2017-01-26T17:22:50+00:00

TL;DR: "Hurr durr they can pay for Greek life dues"

This post is absolute shit, doesn't have any message and is just bitter. Completely useless in terms of takeaway (Keep your head up? The fuck?) and you reek of a kid who didn't get a bid from a frat and is bitter.

Prime_Tyme · 2017-01-26T15:32:13+00:00

This post is BS if you're social and a good athlete you'll do fine in college.

ihate_heckin_ketchup · 2017-01-26T15:31:56+00:00

My younger years were exactly like any romantic comedy. I'm white, 6'1", athletic, suburban upper middle class. My parents bought my first 3 cars. I got decent grades. There was a party every weekend, with plenty of girls willing to give it up. We drank and had huge parties, and if the cops showed up, nobody got in trouble even if we had weed and alcohol. When someone got a dui, their parents just spent a ton of money until it went away. Now that I'm an adult looking to raise kids of my own, I think I will do it very different. I lived life on easy mode for so long that I was not equipped to handle adult life. Sure, I had an awesome 10-15 years, but I spent the same amount of time figuring out how to be a good human after the party was over. Easy mode probably isn't the best way to raise a kid.

Friendly_B · 2017-01-26T19:28:51+00:00

Many of the spoiled kids will run away from the age of 25, knowing it's all hell from that point on, you will welcome the age of 25 with open arms.

Are you kidding me? I moved out of my parent's house and started my life at 15.

We're living in an era of never-ending childhood. This is ridiculous.

Title	Unless you're a hot girl or a guy from a well off family, your younger years (<25) are supposed to suck.
Author	ralphnlauren
Upvotes	1303
Comments	253
Date	26 January 2017 05:11 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/40383
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5q8hoe/unless_youre_a_hot_girl_or_a_guy_from_a_well_off/