The paradoxical state of the redpill. Newbies must read.

flying_cumshot · 2017-01-29T09:30:38+00:00

The paradox comes from the fact that many new redpillers cannot even get into this mindset of "forget bitches" until they've actually had success with women. It's like asking someone to start driving a stick shift car by putting it in 5th gear first. It's impossible. To put the pussy down from the pedestal, you must have had enough pussy to feel that it's not valuable anymore. Gaming women successfully gives the newbies an enormous confidence, and that confidence is the jumpstart needed to guide them to the path of self-improvement. I know I see alot of field reports from newbies bragging about their lay, and honestly it's cringy as fuck reading them. But I think it's part of the growing pains. It's a needed outlet and necessary validation and confirmation that they are not beta losers. It's an inevitable first phase that new redpillers must go through. You can make as many posts as you want about telling newbies that getting pussy is not the goal, but the only way to really change their mindset is through more experience with women. After all, RedPill still is a forum for discussing sexual strategy, as it states in the sidebar.

I discovered RP in 2013 (older account) and it took me years until I truly developed an IDGAF mentality and only focused on myself, my happiness, and my self-improvement. But up until that point, I read lots of posts about sexual strategies and game advice on RP everday. I also asked lots of questions on AskTRP. There was a lot of real-life trial and error with women that I've experienced. Looking back now, I realize I probably spent too much time on this sub. But I feel like my understanding of women's nature and behavior has transcended, and my game has become a lot better due to that, which in turn gave me the confidence I needed to finally let go of all this and focus on my own self.

All in all, I do agree with your post and and I do support it. But my point is that newbies won't care, because they are not at that point yet mentally. It's a second red pill they must eventually swallow later on.

Paladin2903 · 2017-01-29T08:56:29+00:00

Excellent post.

TRP is full of a wealth of knowledge, but it's an immediate turnoff when you see the answer to many deep philosophical questions is always, "Fuck bitches (literally), bruh."

refusewool · 2017-01-29T13:28:59+00:00

I focus on a lot of the things from the list of recommended goals but the problem is I know I'm doing it for girls.

I go to the gym 6 days a week without fail... For girls.

I count calories with the strictest discipline... For girls.

I read books so I can improve my life and so I can become more successful... You guessed it... For girls.

Obviously these are good habits but the motivation is wrong and I know it. But I struggle to reframe the mindset so my own happiness is the motivator. How can I do this when I think the path for happiness for me is through women?

Auvergnat · 2017-01-29T08:33:05+00:00

edited.

OK I get it, it's a zen thing. In order to achieve enlightenment, you must stop thinking of achieving enlightenment. In order to get women, you must stop thinking of getting women.

And accordingly, it's just as important yet confusing as Zen. "Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.".

I feel I am advanced enough that I understand the importance of what you wrote, yet not enough that I must admit I still need it. Thanks to the red pill, I start understanding very well how women, pick up and relationships work, but I am focusing too much on these to really reap the benefits... This is fundamental. I need to bookmark this and come back to it regularly to assess how far I still have to walk on this path. Thanks for posting.

StoicCrane · 2017-01-29T11:20:55+00:00

There's no paradox. There are aspects of TRP that portray the truth about wordly womens' behaviors in this modern societal climate (Briffault's Law, Women treat Men as commodities rather than people, Hypergamy, Dualistic Feminine mating stragies/Sexual Plurism, Oneitis-idolizing women, Androgyny in relationships and it's origins/impact, etc.)

Then there are some that advocate finding solace where there is none. Particularly in the between the legs of myriads of random women. Delusional corruptive thinking likely to ruin one's life rather than improving it (STDs, Unwanted pregnancies, False Rape Allegations, Legal Entrapment via child support, Orphaned Children, etc).

With TRP unless one has developed the ability to discern Truth from falshood one shouldn't use it. Otherwise they're liable to end up in a world of hurt. In all candor, this is a horrible intergender climate to really bother with women at all much less have a relationship/family with one. Use discretion.

korewarp · 2017-01-29T10:02:32+00:00

I'd like to think that I've picked up on a lot of RP goodness and theory, but there's just something in this post that I don't get:

If I'm supposed to do things to make myself happy, then why would I lift? To me, the only reason to do mindless lifting is to get, you guessed it, women. Or have I misunderstood something?

topapito · 2017-01-29T13:45:16+00:00

The only thing better than money, is more money.

I wish I could upvote this post more than just one time.

ReddJive · 2017-01-29T15:22:15+00:00

Step back.

Laugh at them.

Smirk at yourself.

It's bullshit in the end.

NeoreactionSafe · 2017-01-29T17:07:35+00:00

Actually "happiness" is not really the goal Truth is.

One comes to realize the Blue Pill is a mythology designed to keep you in the dark and ignorant of Truth. This Blue Pill mythology happens to make you unhappy, but that is more because "they" designed it badly. The Blue Pill mythology has "glitches" such as the fact women are nothing like what the fantasies pretend they are like. It's from the flaws in the Blue Pill mythology that we begin to see the whole thing collapse before our eyes.

Anger Phase

The Anger Phase is when you realize everything you believed was true based on a Blue Pill understanding of reality was actually just a myth and that it was cruel in the way it deceived you. You become Angry.

Through channeling this Anger you look inward and "Kill the Beta" and begin to systematically delete all your past Blue Pill programming.

This is important:

"The Anger should not be entirely gone until the Blue Pill is deleted."

This means it's an ongoing life process. We delete our own Blue Pill programming then take great pleasure (tinged with Anger) so that we:

Enjoy the Destruction of the Blue Pill mythology.

In other words...

We are set on a path of destruction.

Our life becomes about destroying the myths within and without.

And externally we are seeing an effect... Trump and Brexit reflect this inclination to destroy the programming.

Will this grab at freedom get us all killed by the forces which seek our slavery?

I don't know... I'd rather live free than be a slave. (I'll chance it)

pinenuts · 2017-01-29T13:04:25+00:00

This is a good post - for high school/college. Where this mindset falls apart is raising children.

Studying what a woman is attracted to

Learning game and manipulation tactics for gaming women

If you want to raise kids, you'll have to deal with a woman, as a woman. Then your happiness will very much depend on those two things and dealing with her frame, and, indirectly=by being the best man you can be, as is the red pill way, but still, both actively and with regard to her values, making her "love"/respect you, so that your kids grow up within a loving family and a clear picture of what healthy masculine-feminine polarity looks and feels like, which is essential.

Focusing on women goes against the core redpill ideology.

Bluepill preaches "focusing" on "your" woman like you would on your male best friend or roommate, with emphasis on "respect" and rational communication among equals - this is wrong. But the fact that women tend to not communicate/comprehend what they truly want, doesn't mean that there isn't anything that they want, or that what they want is wrong and not worth considering. If you want children, you will have to learn to focus on that, on her, on her as a woman, which is not only redpill, but also pretty much the only area where the red pill truly matters.

Yes, women, society and people in general don't feel/behave the way bluepill/liberal thinking portrays it, it doesn't mean you have to give up on it and dive into that edgy individualism that seems to be flooding this place. A positive and emotional relationship to those are both possible and necessary, and theredpill is what makes it possible, you just need to get out of the depression phase and see the beauty of it all.

[deleted] · 2017-01-29T13:15:24+00:00

This isn't a religion or a fraternity. Its an internet forum where you can get some different information. Take TRP off the pedestal

LeBatidos · 2017-01-29T14:49:19+00:00

I am trying. It's a fight between me & my own biology. Between that old beta that wants to believe & iron rule #6. I have no outlet. I'm surrounded by plugged in fucks & the shit has driven me to a breaking point. One minute I'm the man, spinning 6 plates then the next it's oneitis slipping through a crack, my insides dying a bit more & the cycle repeats. I keep suffering.

TALzFGxawb · 2017-01-29T19:18:14+00:00

I think doing it for the women is a good enough way to get traction initially

Like, if thinking about looking good for women is what gets you to buy a gym membership, go for it. Once you show up and work your ass to the bone a few times, it'll stop being about the women.

The problem solves itself once you start putting in the effort

evilkenevil · 2017-01-29T14:06:27+00:00

"Naturally, we tend to talk about women. I want to make you understand that women are not the goal. A bitch, 10 bitches, or 100 bitches will never make you as happy as you can make yourself."

This is a key point. Once your happiness is not dependent on getting that girl you are now in control. You will have more success and a better quality of life if you focus on everything except a girl. There is no the girl. There are MANY of them. AWALT is real. I'm in my 50's and have seen women doing the exact same thing in the 70's, 80's, 90's, all the way to today. I've seen nothing but men getting more desperate as time goes along. People make fun of the macho images of the men in the 70's but women REALLY liked that image of a man whether it was faked or not. I cannot accurately enough describe the dating scene of the 70's. Women have taken control in the club scene. It's not their fault directly-over the years our society has taught our boys that roaring is looked down upon. I really just see men not knowing how to be.

Your happiness and success is tied to you directly. No woman is going to save you or bring you ultimate happiness. Focus on yourself and women will notice and flock to you.

circlhat · 2017-01-29T19:54:50+00:00

Focusing on women goes against the core redpill ideology.

For blue pillers, Yes, focusing on yourself is the same blue pill advice, check ask men, or any other sub reddit, they are preach self improvement, problem is if you read the side bar you will see that it means little to women.

Wealth doesn't buy happiness, it helps but nothing made me happier than getting women, it's not my only goal in life but it is a goal, it seems you believe women should just fall into place if you have a good career.

[deleted] · 2017-01-29T20:32:44+00:00

Can't express how glad I am to see this post, and see it getting upvoted. TheRedPill is an extremely wise corner of the internet but that being said there are also some misguided motivations going around here as well.

Truly taking care of yourself is exactly what this post describes it as, and it's an important first step.

Next step is learning how to put your ego in a box and start taking care of others.

RadicalDan · 2017-01-29T23:37:40+00:00

Maybe I can get a little more "in between the lines" than the sidebar for those who dont "get it".

You and I have the luxury of overtly sharing & communicating these practices in text, but in the real world, talking about game & frame is a big no-no.

If she's acting like a bitch (shit testing), and you say "you're acting like a bitch", you're talking about the game. Specifically, her game that she's playing that made you say that. Its like breaking the 4th wall in a movie. And now you are quite literally narrating her story, rather than being the protagonist of your own.

What you really said is "I know how this movie ends, and I dont like it". That's why you need to have goals grounded on improving yourself. If your lot in life is bedding a single female, and then living happily ever after, shes going to fuck up the plot. I am the definition of an "anything is possible" guy, but at this point in time, the odds are stacked heavily against this narrative.

But, if at the end of your movie you're planning on slaying a dragon, and you need armor, a horse, and the knowledge, and physical capabilities to use what you have acquired, what is going to stop you?

The dragon will, if you're not prepared.

pn_me_your_dick · 2017-01-29T23:53:51+00:00

if you guys see things as what they are then why don't you see yourself as what you are? If a white blood cell had the same mindset as you guys you would die instantly. You all have strong idendity issues. fucking retards^{^}

Trpidation · 2017-01-30T03:33:52+00:00

Hell yeah. Excellent post on frame, which is undoubtedly the most important aspect of getting hoes. What's funny is when you focus on making yourself happy bitches just naturally fall into your lap. The universe wants to help you with it too. Great read.

goldnhorde · 2017-01-30T16:07:14+00:00

the craziest thing to me is that it is a total "field of dreams" scenario built around one of the oldest and best pieces of advice ever: "you take care of you.".

doesn't mean "fuck the rest of the world". just means you work on you. you use your concentration and concern and time on you. Make you the best you can be today. take care of your health. exercise. be great at your job. continue studies even after your degree. be the smartest, fastest, strongest, most presentable you that you can be. and the hardest lesson to learn, but always make sure you are living by YOUR standards and no one else's. no one else gets a vote about you.

and if you do that, the rest falls into place.

wants girls? this gives you the best chance. the "pick up lines" are more about attitude than verbiage, along with an attitude that displays you are not afraid to engage and initiate physical sexual contact.

it's strange to watch so many guys go off on these tales of girls when they should be an after thought. An unexpected award for taking care of yourself. almost a secondary benefit so to speak. cause if you have you together .... they'll line it up. then just by being you, you show them you don't need them.

it's not a line. if you really are taking care of yourself, you have no need for women. they are icing on cake. they make a sweet life a little sweeter.

and when you have all that ..... that is when you consider options.

[deleted] · 2017-01-30T16:51:58+00:00

"I am not asking you to go MGTOW. Have fun with women! Just don't make them your goal."

You are mistaken.

In fact, there are some MGTOW who still have fun with women. They are categorized as "bachelor" type.

But, there are some MGTOW prefer to not deal with women. They are categorized as "ghost" type.

Noolaw · 2017-01-29T09:59:07+00:00

That is the core of MGTOW my friends. MGTOW doesnt not mean giving up on women. Many MGTOWS can fuck women. Just too many angry MGTOWS misrepresenting the MGTOWsphere. I am pretty sure there are low key MGTOWS getting tons of pussy out there somewhere. MGTOW FOR LIFE!

The_M0rning_Star · 2017-01-29T14:45:06+00:00

Man, you lot are dramatic af. If you can only find internal happiness by devaluing something outside of yourself, you have some issues you need to work on. Also, you contradicted yourself. Devaluing women to find your happiness would still imply that it's women who bring you happiness, albeit in a negative fashion. If women aren't a big deal, if they're truly nothing, why the fuck can't you stop talking about them? Make the next 20 posts on TRP not mention women once and I'll actually believe you.

sadomasochrist · 2017-01-29T15:55:04+00:00

Not going to report concern trolling or moralizing but you're definitely doing it. TRP is about understanding women, period. How you achieve your goals so long as they conform to TRP theory is irrelevant.

This post is subtly shaming guys who do in fact make it their full time job to slay. Well because of some internalized transition of worship of women, to the self.

The end goal is not growth, which your post is wrapped in. It's about happiness. How a person achieves that end, is up to them. Lifting is an important means to that end.

But you're moralizing and trying to value signal. "Oh look at me, I'm not concerned, I'm really not, you are though, way too much!"

In order to truly adopt a proper philosophy here, you need to have spent literally years in observation, debate and finally with acceptance. If you want to have a grounded objection, it should be in guys spending time trying to find holes in the subject matter, they're not there.

I call this concern trolling and moralizing because you're the same guy that is going to want to put women on a pedestal, while at the same time putting yourself just slightly over her.

No one is important, sexual strategy is amoral.

ozaku7 · 2017-01-29T14:51:53+00:00

It's a lifestyle mindset. It not only affects the area of women in your life, but also business life, social life, personal satisfaction, self-improvement and more. I won't write more because I would only be repeating what you are writing.

But typically, it's the "bitches" that are the most desirable to the newbies, because that's the thing that they desire but can't have. They just want to have a car, and not learn about the maintainance, driving skills they require to drive it to the fullest, the negotiationskills to get the car for the lowest price, the faults and benefits of the car, and so on. I believe a good metaphor would help to visualize how important any other goal plays a role in achieving a specific goal.

redpillthrowaway34 · 2017-01-29T07:07:01+00:00

ideas of success varies from person to person, often success is having lots of women and therefore happiness.

JackGetsIt · 2017-01-29T15:19:13+00:00

Good post. It's difficult to explain this truth to someone who hasn't had a lot sexual and relationship contact with women.

pinechas · 2017-01-29T15:43:17+00:00

What about morality? What about when women use men for their money? Is that what RP womanhood is about?

CollaterLDamage · 2017-01-29T16:29:34+00:00

The sidebar doesn't really enforce that ideology. There's a lot of tactics to improve your presence but honestly, how many threads have you seen here talking about making friends, learning to socialize or even weight routines.

The whole recommended booklist is all getting over women's shit.

circlhat · 2017-01-29T20:15:25+00:00

I'm not concern trolling.

Women speak for denying something you're doing

[deleted] · 2017-01-29T20:19:13+00:00

Regarding what women do for you I think Kid Cudi said it best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJxKKqfhy8

I got 99 problems and they all bitches.

Luckyluke23 · 2017-01-30T02:26:36+00:00

this is a good post, but, I think you should be doing EVERYTHING in your power to be THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN BE.

it's not about doing one thing and NOT doing another. I think it's having a little bit of everything will help you become the best person.

Rugby11 · 2017-01-30T03:54:48+00:00

https://soundcloud.com/user-580652804/the-mark-baxter-podcast-episode-6-rollo-tomassi-and-ed-latimore

BassNet · 2017-01-30T06:23:01+00:00

What about the need for sexual release? I know I'm framing it incorrectly but whenever I get horny I think "man I really need a girl to fuck right now" and this puts me in their frame. I can't just tell myself I don't give a fuck when deep down I know I do because I need that release. I have an insanely high sex drive and for some reason fapping just doesn't do it for me anymore.

[deleted] · 2017-01-30T09:45:04+00:00

Great post. I needed to read this.

agentsmolder · 2017-01-31T07:16:35+00:00

You will never develop an unbreakable frame if you do these things I've listed above. By doing these things, you are absolutely living inside of their frame and not your own. You are placing too much importance on a woman and that's the kind of behavior that led you here in the first place.

I needed this post. I felt like I had a relapse into my old state of mind, allowing myself to be swayed and manipulated by the thoughts and opinions of other people, especially women. It's astonishing how arduous it is to truly assimilate the essence of TRP. I've read and understood this crucial point before, but I guess it's hard for your entire psyche to change after years of living the same way. One must never let up, don't give in to the path of least resistance. It wouldn't be worth it if it was easy.

Thanks for the reminder.

L04TSK4 · 2017-01-29T13:12:38+00:00

I choose a dvd for tonight

neytax · 2017-01-29T16:31:17+00:00

Quality post man. Thank you.

Tenth_10 · 2017-01-29T20:21:17+00:00

This night where I knew I was forever a red pill. Thanks for the read, it was worth it.

VickVaseline · 2017-01-29T17:51:11+00:00

It's been nine months since I unplugged. Am I still a newbie?

Title	The paradoxical state of the redpill. Newbies must read.
Author	redpillthrowaway34
Upvotes	783
Comments	113
Date	29 January 2017 06:48 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	TheRedPill
Link	https://theredarchive.com/post/40469
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