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The Red Pill Right

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by redpillschool on /r/TheRedPill
03 February 2017 07:56 PM UTC
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Last night Milo Yiannopoulos appeared on Fox News to discuss the riots at Berkeley, and Tucker Carlson introduced him as the "gay jew" that's becoming the face of "the red pill right."

It occured to me that many who visit the red pill have had continued epiphanies in their lives outside of the ones we discuss here about sexual strategy.

Now, don't get me wrong, I believe everything in the world boils down to sexual strategy- it's no coincidence that the insult of choice on /r/the_donald is "cuck"- but that doesn't mean understanding sexual strategy and the red pill will be the last time you have an epiphany that makes you take a retrospective look at your life and realize that nothing was what it seemed.

The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

And I'm proud to have been a part of that movement, even though we focused specifically on sexual strategy and will continue to do so.

Something struck me about the phrase "the red pill right," and it's been on my mind since I heard it. There's a lot of agreement and disagreement between different schools of thought in politics, and often one can't really be determined to be right or wrong, only different. There are competing schools of economic thought, different ways to try to accomplish similar goals, and almost an infinite variables that are close to impossible to really know or track keeping us from having any objective answers.

But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics. Just like sexual strategy, even though we do not have the full picture of evolution, and we can't possibly know everybody's thoughts and feelings, we do know that we can make descriptive theories about how people operate, and test our hypotheses against future happenings to determine if we were anywhere close.

That brings me to something that I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year. The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

I admit, /r/the_donald is fascinating and entertaining. But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today.

I don't think it's a mistake that Milo wanted to be introduced as the face of the "red pill right" because he knew the term alt-right was being used to try to tie this new brand of republicans to white supremacy and other unsavory things.

Undoubtedly, he uses the term because it's fitting, but also because it helps to ride off the success of our name. It's not uncommon, attempted to co-opt our language and mission and then tailor it to their own needs and purposes. Look no further than The Red Pill Movie- made by a feminist, and has nothing to do with us!

But the truth is, there is a new conservative movement happening, and it's been happening for a while. And it's got a lot of overlap with the subscribers here on TRP.

It's a bit more libertarian leaning than the traditional Republican party, as it's very socially liberal (pro-to-each-his-own, but with a bent on strict liability rather than social safety nets). But it remains conservative in places that I believe make sense to do so (protect borders, our tribe above others, govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money, etc).

TRP has always talked about tribalism, about safety and security in our culture, and about the values that really matter when you strip away the thin facade of "safety" Western cultures think that they have.

Physical strength leads to security, assimilation lends itself to tribalism. Jack Donovan writes extensively about these things. And they all lead us back to the number one point we have on TRP: Everything is about sex. Our behaviors are governed by evolution.

That is why I am announcing today, a brother sub for /r/theredpill as well as /r/the_donald.

/r/theRedPillRight

My focus with this new sub is to keep us from diluting the discussion of sexual strategy on our main sub, but give us a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of /r/the_donald. (I'm not shitting on the_donald, I do enjoy the sub.)

I want us to discuss these social trends and why they are taking place.

  • Why is the media colluding to write the narrative they do today?
  • What are the possible motivations and goals of different political belief systems?
  • Is globalism a viable strategy?
  • Why is nationalism (or tribalism) preferred by some but not others?
  • In what ways are we wrong?
  • In what ways are we right?
  • How do we define "fake news?"
  • Is fake news a symptom of click-bait?

I hope you'll join me to discuss politics from a red pill standpoint, with our traditional style of high-effort, no memes, quality commenting on our new subreddit: /r/theRedPillRight



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591 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

Thank god. I come here for sexual strategy, not politics.

181 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I wanted to make sure we did not veer off course here on /r/theredpill. So, I'm glad we've dedicated a different sub to it. We've been removing a lot of political posts recently, and I think this proves that there's demand for the discussion.

upvoteslurkingtacopiller3 years ago

This was a good move for a variety of reasons. So much of what is happening politically can be discussed through the red pill lens, but I agree that I didn't want to see any of that shit in here.

RPS ahead of the game.

22 upvotesMarcus11383 years ago

Very true. And I think a lot of Donald supporters were slinging around the term Red Pill and thinking that that meant they were Red Pill in sexual strategy too, when they were actually still BP. Being conservative does not equate to being sexually RP, and I'm glad a new subreddit's been made to help make this difference clear.

18 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Being conservative does not mean being redpilled. But being redpilled does infer leaning to the political right. We should probably have a dark-red-pill section for discussing truths too uncomfortable even for TRP readers.

55 upvotesMr_Andry3 years ago

As a left leaning red puller, I find it horribly frustrating to see so much political nonsense tied in with the Red Pill crowd. So much of what we talk about here is based around evolutionary biology, yet the bulk of people here align with the party that denies evolution and science in general.

No, the reason quite simply is that RP truths are easier to swallow if you were raised in an area that valued traditional gender roles. That means conservative, here in the US.

I think left leaners like myself have to overcome a little more "strict equality" mindset, which is why we're a bit more rare.

7 upvotesTroll_Name3 years ago

Donald Trump rode to victory on a wave of many different peoples who were aware of (and resentful towards) the status quo of sexuality.

95% of today's chronic virgins would have been happily married 500 years ago. Someday a new equilibrium will emerge, one which favors the winners of today.

(Obligatory Orwell quote, no guarantee of precise accuracy)

But there will always be the intoxication of power, the thrill of victory, the trampling of an opponent who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, just imagine a boot stomping on a man's face forever.

Today's young are victory-minded, after the prologue of their life was seeing the total defeat of their elders. Today's 30-somethings were raised on a force-fed diet of abandoning all hope - they're the ground zero of recovering patients.

2 upvotesJohnnyDildonics3 years ago

I don't think these chronic virgins just sit there in their single room apartment and looks at their dick in one hand with an empty tinder list in the other and say "well, my endless toil and suffering from crippling loneliness is worth it if it means equality for these girls that would never give me the time of day."

2 upvotesjdgalt3 years ago

I think the problem Marcus1138 refers to comes from The Red Pill movie, which is not about TRP at all but about MRAs. Its title has given a lot of people the wrong idea about what TRP means. And many of those people are on subs such as The_Donald and SocialJusticeInAction.

I also notice that the new sub is already attracting a substantial number of pro-Nazi comments, which I assume to be from trolls. I hope the mods will keep a very tight lid on that stuff; if they don't, then the new sub will quickly go the way of AltRight and be banned. I'm sure there are plenty of SJWs who actively intend to make that happen if they can.

1 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

Bit of a tangent, but to be fair MRAs were using the term "red pill" for a very long time. So it's kind of hard to define what "red pill" means. Lots of different groups borrowed that term from the Matrix.

1 upvotespongpong123able2 years ago

And vice versa, being able to be alpha in a relationship doesn't mean you are already redpilled when it comes to politics and society.

TRP is actually a bluepill agenda politically. It cucks a generation of men and tells them not to reproduce, not to build families, chase poon until their old and wrinkly and until western society have been demographically diluted by hispanics and muslims.

37 upvotestheredpillager3 years ago

To reiterate ed's comment and a few of the child comments below, this could not have come at a better time. I had been noticing the co-opting of our language throughout some other subreddits and subcultures, particularly t_d, and it somewhat bothered me. Mostly for the reasons you delve into. The red pill for me is about the reality between men, women and sexuality (and all areas where those things manifest themselves in our daily lives). I voted for the D, but I swear allegiance to no party. With better options, I would not have voted for him. He was literally the only viable candidate, which is saying something since he has no political experience at all.

Anyway, that's another story. I am mostly glad to see this because I ventured into the altright sub the other day (apparently it has since been banned??) and I have to say, it was incredibly racist and vile, and I was extremely distraught to see they had co-opted our terminology as well. Everyone was said to be "being redpilled" and "woke", as these commenters praised Nazis as heros.

TRP has a lot of ethnic members. I love that about this place. Because, while we won't shy away from discussing differences between races, advantages/disadvantages/realities, we are all men, and we all have to navigate the feminized world we were born into. When I saw our language getting used for this purely racist garbage, it made me fear our community would become diluted, as those of color were likely to see the association, unwanted or not, and never give the place a chance, or worse, leave if they were already here. I do not need to find myself in yet another echo chamber. I value the diversity of thought here.

I think this new sub is a great way to separate the two. But I have my hesitations. It's billed as a place to discuss politics with a red pill slant, but it's called RedPillRight, so doesn't the very name work to drown out potential views from other perspectives? I am not a right winger. Nor am I a democrat. I'm an independent, like upwards of 40% of the population. The majority, ya know. So, if it's truly a place to discuss politics from a TRP angle, that's great, but it could have done with a more neutral name. It has a ring to it, but the right definitely doesn't apply for all of us. Hopefully the connotation with the altright, or right wing more generally, doesn't scare off those with dissenting views. Really glad to see this happen in any case.

44 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

As somebody who hates just about everything about the right I absolutely cannot stand TRP's political leanings.

I'm glad that this should be an end or at least minimize the political talk on TRP and instead can focus on what the majority of us signed up for. To get more pussy.

Yes the name "RedPillRight" screams of bias and it's something I wouldn't want to be associated with.

12 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I appreciate your view on this, and I'm glad that we can at least clear the sub for you to get back to the red pill. That said, I'm curious if maybe there isn't something you can either learn from the new sub, or maybe teach us if you think we're wrong?

21 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

I'm starting to realize that engaging in political discussions doesn't provide me any benefit. I receive no joy in educating others and it merely becomes nothing more than a waste of my time. That time and energy is much better suited to working on myself. To me politics is a distraction and one that has become more prevalent with the election of Trump. It was becoming frustrating reading TRP and becoming drawn into that.

2 upvotesGrodejar2 years ago

As somebody who hates just about everything about the right I absolutely cannot stand TRP's political leanings. I'm glad that this should be an end or at least minimize the political talk on TRP and instead can focus on what the majority of us signed up for. To get more pussy. Yes the name "RedPillRight" screams of bias and it's something I wouldn't want to be associated with.

Ah yes the political left. Good luck dealing with a society of left leaning people that believe in 888 genders where masculinity is derided and demonized at every turn.

The fact that left leaning people could ever rectify TRP with the modern left is infinitely hilarious to me.

15 upvotesKalepsis3 years ago

I was thinking something similar. I have a suspicion that Carlson used the phrase "the Red Pill Rght" as a sly way to demonize us by subtly associating TRP with the alt-right, which, in my opinion, is the new Nazi party. I don't want to be associated with either of those things.

upvotesebonboneheart3 years ago

Lol nazi party. For someone "redpilled" you sure believe blue pill narrative and conflation.

13 upvotesKalepsis3 years ago

What exactly is blue pill about the alt-right's similarities to fascism and Nazis? I came to that conclusion by doing my own research, listening to what they say about themselves, and drawing correlation between the two. Logical free thought is about as red pill as you get. Just because it happens to also fit into the narrative of libtard propaganda doesn't make my assessment incorrect.

Maybe you should think for yourself instead of blindly believing the breitbart narrative.

5 upvotesSchhwing3 years ago

To paraphrase Louie CK "racism is just a mistake, sexism (meaning male female dynamic frustration) is way down deep inside, and will never go away". Funny and true.

2 upvotesJohnnyDildonics3 years ago

TRP has a lot of ethnic members. I love that about this place. Because, while we won't shy away from discussing differences between races, advantages/disadvantages/realities, we are all men, and we all have to navigate the feminized world we were born into.

The left's demands for diversity and inclusion stop so very suddenly once we get to the bedroom. You think minorities don't notice the majority of outspoken feminists having a silky ceiling of their own?

1 upvotesFuture_Alpha2 years ago

incredibly racist and vile

Why is it racist and vile?

These beliefs are preciesly what the redpillright examines. Are these beliefs justified? What is vile about being racist to one group but not another? Is this belief system an example of bluepill thinking just in politics? That's not to say there aren't some idiots, who consider Nazism to be a good thing or conflate the USSR with Nazi Germany or think that the USSR was somehow evil for wanting to take over the world (hint: its what every powerful state wants).

I'd read it if I were you, perhaps it will open your eyes.

0 upvotesMAGA_God-Emperor2 years ago

My god man. Taking the red pill is about seeing the hidden side of reality so that society can no longer dictate your every action. I have used the phrase for close to a decade, yet have never heard of this sub until today. Does that mean I can claim your use of "THE RED PILL" is actually co-opting my speech? Dude just because your echo chamber is the only place you see the phrase does not mean people didn't watch the matrix, understand its deeper meanings, and then begin using the term on their own.

1 upvotestheredpillager2 years ago

Nah man, there is a direct connection between the red pill of the manosphere to its usage by the legions of t_d support and the alt right. If you're ignoring that, you're being intentionally daft. Also, I don't believe for a second you've been using that language for ten years. I don't even believe you were old enough to legally watch the matrix ten years ago. The internet is an easy place to make shit up, which is exactly what you're doing.

9 upvotes6ix_3 years ago

Excellent move. I personally appreciate it.

7 upvotes8n0n3 years ago

With the quality of moderation set by the standard of this main sub, that sub will outshine politics even when it was at its best.

I think you may underestimate just how much of a vacuum your filling on Reddit with that new sub, RPS. Plus it naturally allowing links/discussion of material from this sub will also bring more exposure of TRP, brilliant.

Read this post at own risk and presume this has been modified by Reddit Inc

6 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

We will moderate with the same iron fist we moderate here. Thanks for your vote of confidence!

1 upvotesThe_Best_013 years ago

even when it was at its best

I assume you're talking about politics and not theRedPillRight?

1 upvotesRedDeadCred2 years ago

You are God damn lighthouse in a sea of darkness

1 upvoteshansfriedee2 years ago

Can you call it red pill politics or something instead? I'm not right wing but would like to discuss politics... It kind of implies that you're already part of a certain political belief. Is that required to participate there kind of like it is at the Donald?

21 upvotesZenonlite3 years ago

I feel the same way. Sometimes, I couldn't discern whether a post was from TRP or the_donald.

8 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

My political view is I don't give a shit.

Someone always makes money off of any political move. Fuck it. Might as well be me.

I made a ton of money the past couple years helping companies deal with the bullshit ACA regulations. Thanks obama!

Actually hilarious to know it will be repealed.

There will always be some new dumb shit. Why fight it? I'll just join the winning team.

5 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

I am fighting it because I need it.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

This is a pretty intelligent response. Keep your head down and focus on yourself and your work. That will have far greater impact on your life than who is president

9 upvotesPaperStreetVilla3 years ago

I don't see nearly enough reports of shitty behaviour.

The bitching is my biggest pet peeve. removing questions, shitty off topic content, and children lashing out is a part time job, if 10% of the complaints were reports, that would clean up the frontpage in an instant.

Typical of the newly unplugged, think this is a value factory, and they can leech. ya gotta take care of your space, becuase it ultimately does belong to the users

5 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

I DESPERATELY NEED HELP WITH THIS ONE GIRL! RIGHT AWAY!

16 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

So she didn't text me back and also blocked my number... what should I do??

12 upvotesjuliusstreicher3 years ago

Hey, man,

Just be your self!

1 upvotesjagrmeister7213 years ago

I hear that gift-buying is the way to a woman's heart.

5 upvotesTheReformist943 years ago

before the creation of the redpillright sub, it was not possible for the sub to not be diluted by politics. to ban the discussion of veering off the topic of sexual strategy was pointless as The Red Pill, at base is Sexual Economics, probably, most closely, Austrian Sexual Economics.

Feminism is merely one of the tentacles of cultural marxism, which is ravaging western society, and a great obstacle to men who do not know how to use feminism to their advantage.

For those who frequent this sub, i strongly recommend the NEOREACTIONARY movement.

7 upvotesTroll_Name3 years ago

"You say you don't have an interest in politics, but what do you say about politics having an interest in you?"

The fight was taken to us, from the moment we were born.

When we tried to walk away from it, the fight followed us.

We tried to run, we tried to hide, we tried to negotiate, we tried to deter, we tried to resolve, we tried let the other side have their way in hopes of them finding satisfaction. We have exhausted all peaceful options.

What's left is to either stand up and go down in history as Big Meanies, or lay down and be tortured until our meat is packaged on store shelves.

26 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

Trump's a fool.

14 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument. You've got +1 points from our ECs so I'm hoping you've got more to say.

10 upvotesDBerwick3 years ago

I won't censor anybody from saying so, but I prefer a reasoned argument.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this. I'm not a subscriber here; I usually bounce from sub to sub (often following comment links), bringing both agreement and disagreement wherever I go. The notion of safe spaces (in my opinion) is becoming increasingly common, and more and more I find myself banned for having an opinion that offends the community I'm in.

No room to grow, no mutual learning (I never presume I'm "educating" someone; I like to think of myself as socratic), no insightful (though usually inciteful) discussion.

Cards on the table -- I'm politically left and don't regard TRP's methods very highly. But I can't deny that I've been banned from more subs I generally agree with than right-learning ones like this sub. Which I've got a lot of respect for.

Why the life story? I hope it means a little more coming from someone who would generally disagree with you, to hear that you still have good moderation policies. Echo chambers are where personal growth goes to die. Keep up the good work.

6 upvotesSwallowed_the_pill3 years ago

TRP is a tool box. It's the user that decides how to use it. Women like winners, good physique, confidence, competence and leaders. How you become those things is completely up to you. If you have only read posts and comments, you don't really know what TRP is. The sidebar is the core of TRP. It's very tough to "agree" with at first because it goes against anything and everything you've learned about women and sexual attraction. It's tough for a lot of people to swallow that they are not a special snowflake and hard work and good habits are required to become succesfull.

1 upvotesProto_Sigma3 years ago

Hey RPS, I love the work you do for the sub. I'm only partway through my own Red pill Journey, and I'm curious as to how one gets points from EC's / becomes an EC. I'd like to ascend to the pantheon of Brodin someday.

6 upvotesFunAndFreedom3 years ago

You have a bit of an uphill battle with this argument. Billionaire, model wife, won a presidential race against all odds. You can dislike the guy or disagree with his politics, but I don't know how you're making an argument he's a fool.

4 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

He's making it for me. Check today's paper.

7 upvotesFunAndFreedom3 years ago

Are you talking to me or are you talking to yourself? Because I have no idea what you are referencing and it doesn't seem like you're putting any effort into your posts.

5 upvotesFlaming_DragonMan3 years ago

Yeah, he's a fool who's a multi millionaire and President of the United States and who, as far as I can tell, is holding true to his campaign promises. Keep swallowing some of those media blue pills my friend.

9 upvotesedwardhwhite3 years ago

He's blue pill. Whines like a baby, has zero frame. Has temper tantrums. Real men like Hayward, Navy SEAL, do not want to work with him.

1 upvotesThis1sMyWorkAccount2 years ago

But but but but.... her emails!

1 upvotesjuliusstreicher3 years ago

Just when I thought I was out...

1 upvotesDysfunctionalBrother3 years ago

The only way i can see things getting better is either:

A. The government takes away the privileges women enjoy and the shit men endure i.e women always being right and the victim, men being wrong and always the oppressor.

B. Violence.

It doesn't matter if what we say is correct, we can explain all fucking day and they still wont accept it because they don't care, they want it all their way whether it is good for society or not because they are spoilt narcissistic children.

Pretty soon though if the sex bots come out and become popular then either:

A. Men use those for escape, are sexually satisfied (as you can be with something that isn't real, but maybe it will be better at accomplishing this than porn), which will make men more beta and more easy to control since their brain is saying "I'm getting the dopamine and I'm eating so I'm surviving"

So no hope of a revolution, society will eventually collapse or be destroyed by those in other countries who wish us harm.

Or B. what i previously wrote except that the bots are so good that men don't need women anymore at all and have no investment in taking bullshit from them if they start attacking them.

There are so many ways though it could turn out now because so much is going on.

upvotesDAD_FISTER3 years ago

We need to shut the sub down.

It's about to explode and nothing good will come of it. Imagine cunty 16 year old talking about how alpha they are. Oh wait that already happened.

Imagine douche commercials going "feed your inner alpha". Oh wait that already happened.

I do not look forward to what future years are going to bring.

The mods need to make the choice and shut the community down. Maybe start it up again somewhere else that's harder to find to keep it isolated.

I've been a member here for five years. The general quality has gone down and the mods will ban you for even saying that. I'm probably going to get banned for this comment in fact. I'm allowed to say it though. Quality has taken a hit, just like it always does when user base grows.

Now is the time to protect the interests of current members and shut it down.

15 upvotesPolitikon3 years ago

Hey, it was good about 4-5 years ago when this sub was new and fresh and everyone, regardless of race or political leaning, could work together in harmony to absorb the sub's teachings and get mountains of pussy. But that time has clearly passed. The sub has grown too large, and has succumbed to group think and hubris just like the feminists. I just feel bad for the new subs that aren't partisan hacks. They probably think we are all die-hard right-wingers that get a hard on for dank Trump memes. Take what you learned from here and move on, is what I would suggest. Maybe pass the knowledge on to someone in the future. Except don't call your insights the now passe term 'red pill', and don't direct them to this now cesspool of a sub.

3 upvotesAlesayr2 years ago

Without looking very very carefully this sub looks just about as far-right as can be. Now, that perception is perhaps not quite true in reality, there's a bit more diversity here than appears at first glance but the less alt-righty folks can be drowned out a bit.

2 upvotesNeoreactionSafe3 years ago

 

Technical / Procedural Message

 

At this exact moment in time the new sub is not yet added to the "official" Red Pill subreddits list. (sidebar)

Moderators could you please correct this technical issue.

(I'm not sure who is responsible for the techie stuff)

 

2 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

On it. Just need a moment to update them all.

1 upvotesuseyourmouth3 years ago

Still not finding it on the sidebar btw

1 upvotesjagrmeister7213 years ago

Completely agree. I'm glad there's a separate sub for people who want to take the discussion in that direction. Particularly with our political climate today, you can't get away from political discussions & everything becomes politicized. Seemingly there is no "news" worth reporting on TV and in the newspaper except the White House. Hopefully this other sub means fewer digressions here on which political party is less objectionable than the other.

1 upvotesBobbyPeru2 years ago

It's itonic that a post encouraging less politics (and more sexual strategy)has turned political in the comments

69 upvotesKalepsis3 years ago

I, for one, really do not identify with conservatives, modern Republicans, and especially not Trump (who acts more like a spoiled woman than any man I've ever seen; who also signed executive orders today that get rid of the requirement of a fiduciary to act in the best interest of the client instead of himself, which means they're legally allowed to steal your retirement money, and to get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again. So conservative and populist, right?). If anything, I lean more toward Red Pill Left. Which is not an oxymoron, despite what some here may think. Progressivism and TRP are not mutually exclusive.

The point is, my political views have nothing to do with my enjoyment of this community, and neither do anyone else's. If I want to read about reddit's politics, I'll go to /r/politics. I come here for sexual strategy. So thanks, OP.

23 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

lol progressivism and TRP is absolutely oil and water.

5 upvotesRedsideoftheMoon2 years ago

I'd have to disagree, because the red pill fundamentally sees women in a sexually progressive way. There's a reason "traditional conservative" is a thing. The red pill may see men "traditionally," but it does not see women traditionally in the sense that a good woman who has saved herself for a proper man bears his children and waits on him hand and foot (AWALT fundamentally disagrees that such behavior is basically a social contract that can be broken at any time)

The red pill is simply realistic, and I f you think just because feminists identify as left then TRP has to identify as right, that's a logical fallacy. Just look at DiCaprio, many consider him to be a proper red pill role model, and he's pretty fucking leftist

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Progressive can mean a lot of things. DiCapri is a progressive because he cares about the environment or starving kids in africa. Many hollywood elite are progressives for pet issues like this. But the traditional progressivism of relying on big state to take care of you and blaming your gender, race, height, whatever for your shortcomings is what is oil and water about progressivism

3 upvotesRedsideoftheMoon2 years ago

I'm glad that we can agree that progressivism and conservatism aren't black and white terms. Because I grew up in a conservative, traditional, religious (Christian) household and none of the stuff I learned about regarding sex identifies even remotely with TRP. In fact, most conservative states push abstinence as a form of sex-ed and I'm pretty sure that's oil and water right there. And not to mention abortion, could you imagine if you got one of these chicks pregnant accidentally and miraculously you both agree that you don't want to raise a child together but the state shut down all the abortion centers?

Let's be realistic and call it what it is, TRP is anti new wave feminist. Just because new wave feminism identifies with progressivism doesn't mean TRP implicitly identifies with conservatism. Plenty of bros on here who care about the environment and science and all that jazz

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Definitely agree with that. No one here really is anti-abortion rights, nor are they traditional conservatives. Red Pill methodology is far more libertarian - the buck ends at you and you should focus on yourself and your own because the world wont. Traditional conservatism preaches sacrificing of self for family, putting god above all (RP is anti-religion IMO), etc. While there is merit that the strength of the family unit is beneficial for society at large and the left is trying to dismantle the family unit, that is about as far as it aligns with TRP right. Nor does The Red Pill recommend the neo con approach of going off to war to fight for their nations interests, but not to fight tyranny or promote freedom. That hasnt been the case since WWII

Red Pill is NOT Republican. It is libertarian.

12 upvotesI_AM_CALAMITY3 years ago

Tricking yourself into believing fiduciaries can now steal investments is blue pill political thought.

get rid of Dodd-Frank so his fucktastically rich friends on Wall Street can steal all of our other money and crash the economy again.

A red pill political thought would be that repealing Dodd-Frank would recreate the conditions to replicate the Great Recession. That was the raving of someone taking a massive dose of political blue pill. Political blue pill preys upon self-righteousness and tells you that those who oppose you are evil at the root, assigning motives that make NO sense.

There are many Trump supporters who are blue pill, just as there are many men with girlfriends who are blue pill. I agree with the sentiment behind what you are saying.

8 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

I feel the same way you do. Progressive towards government policy, but still think the Red Pill has a lot of insights about gender. I really wish people like us could get our own groups going. I think there are a lot of liberal men who are fed up with dealing with feminist bullshit, but still want medicare for all.

2 upvotestrphardmode2 years ago

Red pill is really the globalist vs nationalist angle.

There is no way to be a red pilled globalist.

Left vs right is the socialist vs capitalist angle.

The issue with the Red Pilled Left is that it makes you a Nationalist Socialist - which carries a lot of baggage right now.

49 upvotesdropitmike3 years ago

I just landed here trying to find out more about Milo amidst all the recent negative media attention. And honestly, after only a couple of his YouTube videos, he's already got my respect in his bag.

40 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Same, I looked for a neo Nazi and found a hilarious faggot who shits on myths.

26 upvoteshermit0873 years ago

Fun fact: actual white nationalists hate Milo. "He is a gay Jew racemixer who is trying to co-opt our movement!"

Watching the media and SJW's call him and Gavin Mcinnes "Nazi" really is incredible.

4 upvotesTroll_Name3 years ago

"Actual white nationalists" are a strawman army who never come any closer than over-the-horizon.

I've encountered an actual den of internet nazis once - next to nothing to do with traditional nazis. There were maybe a few dozen or even a few hundred of them, but then the mainstream media acts like these people are a greater stain on conservatism than 1500 years of international terrorism and slavery are a stain on Islam.

1 upvotesFlaming_DragonMan3 years ago

People I talk to about him (I was at the Berkeley thing a couple of weeks ago) keep spouting the same meme about how he engages in 'hate speech." (And keep in mind these are people who have never heard him talk.) Aside from his routine fat people and tranny jokes jokes I don't think I've ever heard him engage in true hate speech of any kind, not that it matters anyways.

51 upvotesprodigy2throw3 years ago

Thanks for stopping this sub from turning into the_donald 2.0

67 upvotesreecewagner3 years ago

Maybe not the place to discuss it but here's one thing that confuses me about the "red pill right": when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals. When I think TRP, I think of a much more realistic, pragmatic outlook on life than anything remotely religious could offer. Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

96 upvotesfaded_jester3 years ago

Cognitive dissonance is key to modern politics in the west.

I mean the right is defined as "small government, fiscal responsibility, personal freedom, and praise Jesus!" and for the last few decades has done the exact opposite (they do give lots of lip service to the religious right but they themselves have no problem being the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to embody) and nobody seems to notice or give a fuck.

The left isn't much better in their complete refusal to acknowledge that extreme political correctness is just as harmful as any other type of extremism.

The red pill has a very tribal instinct to ignore everyone who doesn't play for the "right team", just like every other group of people.

The Right = Greatness

The Left = Cucks

Very little room for any type of real discussion.

In my personal opinion, playing cheerleader for a political team is just about the least red pill thing a man can do. If you make a decision without hearing both sides, you're a fucking fool.

Edit: The responses all over this thread are perfect examples of cognitive dissonance. Argue a point, only give examples that you feel prove your right, omit anything that proves your wrong, ignore everything that contradicts your perception. 100% Cognitive Dissonance

It doesn't make a you a piece of shit, it just makes you extremely easy to manipulate. There is a reason it's so easy to get people to vote against their own best interests. Get them to pick a team (easiest way is to champion an emotional but ultimately unimportant argument), demonize the other team and poof....all logic and reason go out the window.

46 upvotesg8TUNESbra3 years ago

Personally, I think the Trumpeting is hurting the sub. Keep politics or of here.

10 upvotesTheRiseAndFall3 years ago

Social dynamics is politics. Even a small tribal society has politics. To ignore politics is like closing your eyes and going "lalalalala". We have to acknowledge that the political climite of our country doesneffect our lives, does effect our society, and does have sexual strategy.

26 upvotesreecewagner3 years ago

Being non-religious, I would consider myself much more left-leaning than right, simply because I have no use for the kind of superstition-based morality that right-wing politics inevitably becomes muddied with. What about that makes me a cuck?

25 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I think the problem is that social liberals who are fiscally conservative could belong to either camp, really.

14 upvotesalphabeta493 years ago

Exactly. I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal. Those two things operate well together in the real world, and Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

There needs to be either a major shift in one or both primary parties or a stronger third party. Big Rep vs. Big Dem (with a very quiet green or lib party) doesn't work anymore.

31 upvotesGayLubeOil3 years ago

Social Liberals have a tendency to invite non-socialy liberal groups of people into their countries. Then demographic transition happens. Pretty soon rocks are being thrown at socialy liberal women by immigrant populations and welfare programs get expanded, because those are extremely popular amongst non-socialy liberal populations.

Next thing you know everyone is voting along racial lines like in Brazil and your Socialy Liberal Fiscal Conservative side is losing because you are being out reproduced.

15 upvotesfaded_jester3 years ago

Trump's policies are damn close to epitomizing that blend.

Name one thing he's done that could be considered "ultra-liberal".

2 upvotesnunyabinness3 years ago

I am politically ultra-conservative but socially ultra-liberal.

Have you considered that you might be a libertarian?

6 upvotesBareFistEmpiricist3 years ago

The terms "left" and "right" make a pointless association between political concepts that are completely unrelated. There is no solid rational for bundling together such things as religiosity, fiscal prudence, government social intervention, etc. The terms "right" and "left" are confounding at best, and more often then not encourage lazy political thinking.

1 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

True, it's mostly a result of the fact that our First Past the Post election system leads inevitably to only 2 political parties. When there are only 2 political parties, its easy to convince people that there are also only 2 points of view on anything. hence "left and right."

10 upvotesfaded_jester3 years ago

Ask the people whose response are limited to phrases like "cuck" and "libtard".

I lean left myself.

I was speaking about those people, not for them.

7 upvoteshardly_incognito3 years ago

superstition-based morality

Care to elaborate? I'm only curious as to how strong borders, refusal of letting in Islamic immigrants, and eliminating the PC culture are superstition-based.

Those are a few things that Milo represents, as well as many who are siding against the hard-left which has emerged here recently. Indeed some among us may be religious, but I personally am not. Also I do not see wrong in being religious in the slightest unless your religion seeks to take action and infringe upon my livelihood.

1 upvotesfaded_jester3 years ago

Your entire statement is a very good example of pure cognitive dissonance.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Sooo... not going to answer his question? Gotcha.

2 upvoteshardly_incognito3 years ago

Your previous statement is doing exactly what mainstream media has done. This heavy amount of polarization does indeed retard actual discussion as people such as yourself believe that everyone must identify red/blue and take all that the entire party represents as their political identity.

This is not true in the slightest.

7 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Honestly, I don't see why they need to. Part of TRP is that we're pragmatists. And while I'm not religious myself, I see the use of religion in culture and history.

I'm not saying that everybody there would necessarily agree on points- for instance, the pro-life/pro-choice debate seems like one with no discernible ending, only differing opinions. But I think the discussion of it can still be had.

13 upvotesBrodinsOats3 years ago

TRP is much more libertarian than neo-conservative, imo. And libertarian is actually "classical liberalism." Neo-liberalism just bastardized the term.

Think of Ron & Rand Paul's stances... marriage should not be defined by the state, legalize all drugs, etc. These are not "tradition-based morals." The abortion debate gets a whole lot more nuanced, though.

Unfortunately libertarianism is far too logical and abstract to ever compete with populism. It's realist pragmatism, but it takes some intelligence to understand.

It's the same issue with the red vs blue pill sexual dynamics that we discuss here. That's the connection.

2 upvotesexit_sandman3 years ago

when I think right-wing politics, I think conservatism, I think religion, I think archaic tradition-based morals.

That's the problem of a polarized two party-system - isues that get taken up by one side usually only leave the opposite to the other. If you want a more differentiated approach, pick a multi-party system... but then don't complain if the results aren't to your liking either (I've been a huge fan of multiparty systems for most of my life until I finally came to the conclusion that the Westminster system ultimately produces better results).

2 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

The problem of the 2 party system is one of my favorite subjects! I have also advocated multi-party systems, particular through use of range voting elections. I'm curious why you decided Westminster is better?

Well this is totally of subject, but if you don't mind, I don't either. :-)

12 upvotesRyanMAGA3 years ago

Do these two viewpoints not regularly clash?

No. Religion exists to help men control and allocate female sexuality. The whole point is that men and women are different, and if women have their way civilization can't exist. Religions that don't do this do not survive. Christianity used to provide most men with a loyal virgin to bear his children. It no longer does that and thus it is dying. That's the core of it, the god stuff is just the outer layer.

Now that Christianity has been hollowed out we need to be more aware of the nature of women in order to produce a healthy society, but the reality is that most men can never achieve a sufficient level of knowledge to produce a working civilization without religion doing the hard work.

Also for some reason the term "red pill" is used only to refer to sexuality in this subreddit. Historical use of the term has always referred to all hidden truths about human nature. This includes the nature vs nurture debate, and thus race. People who have actually consumed the red pill will recognize that that the "achievement gaps" between various races cannot be fixed by throwing money at them, or by anything really.

2 upvotesRicardo_Machista3 years ago

Well a goddess of the right is Ayn Rand who was an Atheist, uber-rationalist, science worshiping, secular moralist. So apparently not.

The thing you have to understand about the American right is that it's extremely diverse. That's why the Republican Party can have 15 candidates in the primaries who all hate each other. You have evangelicals, neo-cons, libertarians, federalists, constitutional conservatives, social conservatives, neo-liberals, paleo-conservatives, and so on. A lot of these groups are former progressives who became disaffected from the Democratic Party or leftism in general at some point in the countries history, like the neo-cons who were former Trotskyites and who's ideology came out of the progressive era. This seems to happen every generation, and is happening now with many liberals becoming alienated by identity politics. The right is a lot of things, but mainly just anti left which is what all these groups have in common.

1 upvotesreecewagner3 years ago

Hmmm. And I quite like Ayn Rand.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Redpill is more of a libertarian right philosophy instead of a neo-con right philosophy

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

TRP = libertarian and mastery of self. Follows closely with conservatism but they clash quite a bit

1 upvotessonder_one3 years ago

The Right and Conservatism are not synonyms. It's like saying that the Left and Liberalism are synonyms, even though the true liberalism has always been right-wing. The conversation is just really messed up.

Conservatism is the belief that the sum of all wisdom derived throughout human history should not be discarded in favor of something you thought up in five minutes while sitting on the toilet. There is value in conservatism, but what is conserved can also be wrong (earth is flat, right?).

Liberalism is limited government and natural rights. Free markets, aka "the Right" are basically the same. Leftism, aka collectivism aka communism/socialism, is the belief that centralized management, forced distribution, etc lead to superior outcomes by compensating for "privilege."

1 upvotesFlaming_DragonMan3 years ago

Maybe that's the difference between the traditional right and the new alt right. When I think of the young conservatives supporting Trump and TRP I see a lot of similar values, and from the responses here I'm guessing that many of you do as well. At it's core, both TRP and the philosophy of Trump supporters are the same: They're both opposed to disingenuous dialogue and they speak truths that might be considered ugly by some, but are nonetheless true. I'm actually surprised that not 100 percent of TRP members are on board with Trump, but then not 100 percent of TRP members have been hardworking, diligent, and effective in applying TRP principles either.

88 upvotesDirkz3 years ago

Honest question: If I got to this new sub and try and engage in honest open dialogue will I be banned for disagreeing with thedonald narrative?

It's ironic that this sub comes about on the coat tails of the Milo protests, we all know that whiny SJWs have shut down any opinion that is not their own since the election... But on the other hand so does thedonald. That place may be one of the biggest echo chambers on reddit.

I am hesitant to participate because I firmly believe you can hold liberal views and be redpill or alpha. More so than that, I feel that it's redpill to acknowledge that this polarization of every issue is absurd and takes any real thought out of every issue. On the far left you have crybaby, fat, feminazi, tublirina SJWs and on the other end you have this dense, fascist alt_right thedonald movement and it's embarrassing to be associated with either because neither holds an opinion based in reality. They're both as moronic in polar opposite directions.

35 upvotesTop_Ozone3 years ago

The_donald knows it's an echo chamber and they don't pretend to be anything else. It's just about the only place you can talk about Trump without automatically being banned or flooded with downvotes, and their policies are really the only way to keep it like that.

10 upvotesthomasahle3 years ago

So it is like a safe space for Trump supporters? /s

11 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

If you attack ideas and policies rather than the person, you are open to any well reasoned discussion, yes. I don't agree with everything Trump does. That said, I respect him and the work he does.

2 upvotesrp_newdawn3 years ago

I agree with your sentiments. Perhaps we have the opportunity to shape something that will benefit us

2 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

You can go on the_donald and post something anti-Trump and it won't be censored or deleted unless it's just flaming. The reverse is not the case. That alone tells you which "side" is the intolerant one.

-3 upvotescrazycattime3 years ago

If you think thedonald is fascist, or so obviously fascist that it doesn't bear proof, you're probably somewhat misinformed. The "fascist" slur has been levied against thedonald and the alt_right for a strategic purpose by globalists. Pick up a copy of Jonah Goldber's "Liberal Fascism" and you'll have a better understanding of the term. Otherwise, you're merely repeating Soros talking points by slandering thedonald as fascist.

11 upvotesDirkz3 years ago

I mean I don't need to really pick up some fucking book to understand a word. It's a good way to try and argue a point or disguise truths but if I'm using a word, then the definition works just fine for me.... not some sort of, how do you say alternative definition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Key words: authoritarian, nationalism and far right. Far right, being the exact opposite of the far left SJW, both of which are miles from the truth that lies somewhere in between. I appreciate your dialogue though, I was just curious if this new subreddit would be open to just that.

4 upvotescrazycattime3 years ago

Well, that's kind of my point. Goldberg does an excellent job refuting the key words you presented, at least as to the application to the right wing. It's taken as common knowledge now that fascism is a right-wing system, but that isn't the whole truth. I'm sure you're aware that Wikipedia is heavily biased leftward wherever possible (see, e.g., their Gamergate entry). So the fact that Wikipedia says it's "far right" doesn't hold any weight with me.
But I appreciate your dialogue, too. That's something that's missing from both thedonald and the SJW forums, but seems to be still available on the darkenlightenment subreddits. The point of the red pill is seeing past the lies that "everybody knows." Politics, however, seems to get people's dander up much more than anything else. You know we're not misogynistic shitlords, but we can't trust the mainstream to acknowledge it.
I still think it's best that we keep politics out of the main sub, so having a related sub where this stuff can be discussed is a good idea. There's so much TRP truth that transcends left-right thinking that there's no reason to alienate people unnecessarily.

upvotesforgotmyothernames3 years ago

the notion that you cant be redpilled and liberal is the philosophy's largest blind spot.

35 upvotesNewreddawn3 years ago

Which should make for an interesting discussion topic. I think the dissociation from emotion is possible for those that lean left or right, but reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

I used to be left leaning, now I lean right, but I could definitely shift back someday. Red pill thought isn't as simple as alignment with a point on the political spectrum. I hope.

3 upvotesRP_Br33 years ago

Depends heavily on what people in US defines as left, but I may be able to help out. While I'm more right than most swedes, Sweden is way more left than USA. I'm also involved in national politics on a Libertarian party.

I wouldnt mind answering questions about politics on national or personal level, but unsure how to set it up. If there will be some thread or something in the future I'm in, but I wont be the one taking the first step

1 upvotesBluepillProfessor3 years ago

Look forward to seeing you over on Red Pill Right.

6 upvotesnunyabinness3 years ago

reasonable voices on the left are being drowned out by hordes of furious people making emotional arguments right now.

If by right now you mean for the last few decades then yes.

1 upvotesbigcitytruth2 years ago

It is definitely interesting. The left is pussified to the point of being pathetic. The right is alpha, yet they cling on to out-of-date policies that are causing us to fall behind our Western counterparts in quality of life, and seem to ignore plain-as-fucking-day provable facts on nearly every political subject under the sun.

I hate both parties.

128 upvotesthat_star_wars_guy3 years ago

That and the idea that leaning left automatically makes you a "cucked, libtard, socialist, Muslim lover, who wants to see the rise of a globalist tyranny and the downfall of nations"

Leaning left doesn't mean you subscribe to extremist left views, but a great many people insist that it does.

56 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

This is how you recognize American posts. You're with us or you're a loser that's against us. Everything is boiled down to a fucking sporting event.

13 upvotesDisDumbNigga3 years ago

Yes. This is great discussion too....while we bicker between left and right, there are certain flaws that both sides have, flaws we have as Americans as a whole that I wouldn't be aware of unless I had close friends that aren't American

8 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

On that note. I'm a white American male and I have absolutley no interest in football. I'm not going to watch the game tomorrow.

7 upvotesBreakfastGolem3 years ago

Only in America, Germany, Sweden, The UK, Canada, and Australia, basically. It's like a certain kind of people built much of the modern world off the spirit of competition

1 upvotesGrodejar2 years ago

Except the entirety of the West is suffering under cultural marxist bullshit that is being parroted by the left. Anyone who promotes leftist philosophy in the modern world is against TRP, period. Cultural marxism is purely designed to undermine traditional social norms and the foundations of our society. You literally cannot believe in left wing politics and also believe in TRP, they are mutually exclusive at this point.

26 upvotesTh3St1g3 years ago

Jesus Christ, that sub is awful. Look at the top posts there, people are actually advocating for removing a woman's right to vote. I was for the TRPR until I went and read that nonsense. TRP is about accepting reality and dealing with the circumstances, not about removing the rights of others. They need to call it the TRP alt-right.

14 upvotesfrgualidiot3 years ago

How on earth can you be red pilled and still think women are capable of voting? They are entirely solipsistic.

8 upvotesrp_newdawn3 years ago

Hence why a place for rational discussion would be valuable for personal growth for many of us. I'd love to have my views challenged and my worldview expanded

5 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Welcome to /r/theredpillright

4 upvotesrp_newdawn3 years ago

Thanks brotha, for everything

57 upvotesMurkTwain3 years ago

I don't see how supporting Trump has any correlation to being red pill besides the fact that the dude doesn't really give a shit about what others think and does what he wants through use of deceitful tactics that have influence over ignorant people. These may be admirable red pill traits if your life solely revolves around yourself and the ramifications of that are to yourself, but he is an elected public servant and the shit he is doing is destructive as fuck and is not going to end in a more productive society, just one where everyone is way more hostile towards one another. It seems like the red pill should be more resilient and adaptable to changing characteristics in society rather than whoring out to a horseshit joke of a president with a gold digging hooker of a wife. The dudes gonna end up crashing and burning so hard its not even funny. All Trump is doing is making more people in society clever to the type of red pill tactics that tend to work in people's advantage.

5 upvotesMikoLassen3 years ago

That is a super fucking dumbed down, simplistic "the-way-I-wanna-see-it" version of reality. GJ dude.

26 upvotesMurkTwain3 years ago

Your comment is pathetic, what parts are dumbed down? What aspects do you need further specifics with pansy? Do I really need to go through a list of the policies he's done that only further perpetuate divisiveness and outrage everywhere. Federal judges are blocking his dogshit actions in the public, doesn't give a shit about the environment, his cabinet picks are an outright disgrace, he's fucking over world allies and literally handing power that we once had over to China and Russia through garbage international relations. It would all be fine if he was running a business, you can be cutthroat in that sphere, you can try to fuck people over one by one and degrade them publicly. You can make stupid risks and go bankrupt and get bailed out by the government repeatedly. If you are in charge of a country, and aren't a dictatorship, that doesn't fly. You're a fucking idiot if you think things in the USA are becoming better for males as a result of all this bullshit. All he is doing is further perpetuating women to become extremist feminists and only be more hostile towards men: 3,000,000 women chanting in the streets in unity demanding power.

upvotesMikoLassen3 years ago

hahaha "pansy", sure dude. Every classical man you'll find respects Trump for his balls and get-shit-done attitude. The pansy here is you.

1.Yes, you have to name the policies that you base your accusations on. Is that news to you? And the fat commie judge trying to go against him (supreme court judge) is but a virtue signalling bitch. The constitution does not apply to non-US citizens. Simple as that.

2.His cabinet picks are his business. If and when their actions make them condemnable feel free to slam him. I'll help you with it. Until then, cut your neoliberal whining.

3.He's fucking over worthless allies like Germany who have done nothing but shit talk him anyways. He's putting America first. And not only is he breaking old ties, he's also creating new alliances in their place. Sorry you wanted a giant pussy as your president who will let people walk all over him. Shoulda been Bernie "I get manhandled by two BLM bitches" Sanders, eh? lol

4."In business you can... and you can... and you can..., but in politics this doesn't work!" Exactly right. That's why his run was a constant display of winning, one victory after another. Because it totally doesn't work that way.

5.I'd rather have 3m dumbasses on the streets than have Hillary in the White House.

7 upvotes1by1is33 years ago

You response is hilarious. I am not even American so I find it pretty amusing that the people who voted for Trump are the people who are going to get extremely fucked by his policies and yet they continue to defend him like the demagogue he is. He just signed an order to repeal/relax the Dodd Frank Act to benefit his friends in the banking industry. The guy said it upfront. This is going to lead to the same practices that caused the 2008 recession that fucked over millions of the lower class in USA.

You say trump is a businessman, sure he is. but he is not the type of businessman that creates value, he is the type who destroys value. Trump became a billionaire by borrowing money to invest in real estate . When he won, he won big. When he lost, his companies declared bankruptcy and started all over again under a new name. This is not the type of businessman that creates value, People like Gates, or Musk or Rockefeller or Carnegie are worthy of respect because they created value to become rich. What has Trump created? Nothing. He is the type of person who is going to take your money and refuse to pay and call it a win. And you will lap it up like the beta you are.

America first? Just wait four years and we will see what he achieves. Something tells me you won't be around by then.

upvotesMurkTwain3 years ago

You are a pansy, your bent over waiting to get fucked by Trump like the rest of the bible pinching idiots that want that disgrace of a human being as the face of our country.

Trump doesn't have balls, he's failing like a clown right now. His executive orders are fluffy bullshit used to satisfy his tobacco cheeked meth head base in Arkansas. All of the shit he is signing is useless and completely needs to be drafted by congress, it's a tactic to make idiots like yourself think he's getting shit done but in fact it's nothing but a cover for doing shit like deregulating wall street and filling his friends pockets with cash.

  1. That "commie federal judge" was appointed by George Bush and unanimously passed with senate approval.

  2. His cabinet picks are OUR business idiot.

  3. You literally sound retarded in this one, not even worthy of a response. You obviously don't understand how economics works.

  4. Pointless and worthless, not worthy of a response.

  5. That's your opinion, cool.. Completely worthless comment.

1 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Both of you need to find a way to be constructive with debate.

2 upvotesBreakfastGolem3 years ago

Ignorant people getting duped by (paraphrased) con-men using deceitful tactics on people with room temperature IQs? You just described everyone who supported Bernie or Hillary, believes the establishment media, and/or thinks Donald Trump is racist.

8 upvotesMurkTwain3 years ago

Just face the facts, your lord and savior Trump used you to fulfill a profit driven, completely fucked agenda. Look at his cabinet picks, he chose a dude suing the EPA, that doesn't believe in environmental protection, to be head of the EPA. He chose a dumb whore who doesn't even know about public education policy to be the head of the department of education. He chose a goldman sachs executive to run the treasury. He chose a doctor to run the department of urban development. The dude is either mentally retarded or just trying to fuck our government up systematically. All the shit you are talking about are what he fed you and other uninformed americans to rile you up and continue to support his fat ass despite the fact he's blatantly corrupt. This country is a dumpster fire right now, embarrassing as fuck to say the least if you give even the slightest shit about the way the rest of the world perceives us. We are a laughing stock, a joke on their evening news. Have fun brainwashing yourself that the only right news is Trumps and Breitbart, treat yourself to a healthy dose of ignorance.

6 upvotesBreakfastGolem3 years ago

Just face the facts, your lord and savior Trump used you to fulfill a profit driven, completely fucked agenda.

You're confusing him with the lady that lost, and the guy that lost to her. Part of the Red Pill is reading up on things. Try it.

Look at his cabinet picks, he chose a dude suing the EPA, that doesn't believe in environmental protection, to be head of the EPA.

I'm dying to know what you thought about McCarthy. Yeah, the lady you just had to Google.

He chose a dumb whore who doesn't even know about public education policy to be the head of the department of education.

Same thing as above, I'm curious to know what you thought about Duncan. I can tell you don't know how the education system works, and just believe whatever Facebook headlines are saying.

He chose a goldman sachs executive to run the treasury. He chose a doctor to run the department of urban development.

Oh, I got it now. You're probably like 19-23 and spent your developmental years getting brainwashed into right wing=bad, no reason to scrutinize the left. Clinton's cabinet was going to be entirely bankers. Obama's cabinet was 100% chosen by Wall Street. Were you furious in 2008, too?

The dude is either mentally retarded or just trying to fuck our government up systematically.

You're obviously severely uniformed, or ignorant. I suggest getting news outside of Facebook, reddit, and CNN.

All the shit you are talking about are what he fed you and other uninformed americans to rile you up and continue to support his fat ass despite the fact he's blatantly corrupt.

You're projecting your weak willed indoctrination into the Democratic cult. I'm assuming you were a BernBeta.

This country is a dumpster fire right now,

Thanks, Democrats, you made it this way over the past decade.

embarrassing as fuck to say the least if you give even the slightest shit about the way the rest of the world perceives us. We are a laughing stock, a joke on their evening news.

Ahhh, there it is. You're very invested in the opinions of others. Classic blue pill behavior

Have fun brainwashing yourself that the only right news is Trumps and Breitbart, treat yourself to a healthy dose of ignorance.

You're being duped by the system, I know because the system's media told me! You should probably research who owns your god CNN

2 upvotesMurkTwain3 years ago

i skimmed through your rant. You do not know how to reinforce yourself with facts, rather you sway or use obama or a broad statement of something being blue pill as a scapegoat for addressing the true issues. It's weak peasant shit, and not worthy of my time addressing your repetitive trump twitter garbage you are trying to reconvey. You're not worth the time.

28 upvotesEn-Zu3 years ago

I think the Left is generally just seen as being more accomodating to feminism and sjwing (because it is) which this sub is kind of opposed to and that's why it attracts so many right wing folks.

But I'm left wing and I don't particurly care about the sjw movement. It doesn't faze me. And that's really one way to fish out the conservative and liberal posters on this thread. The Liberal TRP perspective is more "Shrug that's just the way women are I'm glad that its in the open." Whereas the conservatives are more likely to want to go back to the Old World where policies were in place to make the BP strategy work and repress female hypergamy and sexual strategy.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

What are your Left leaning views?

23 upvotesEn-Zu3 years ago

Just as a general summary I believe that climate change exists and its imperative that we act to mitigate it and pressure others to do the same.

I'm socially libertarian which means I think that the govt should not interfere with personal lives and decisions as long as they don't harm others.

I think that foetus's don't count morally as persons so I'm pro choice.

I think preventative measures to cut negative behaviors are more effective or at least similarly effective as punitive ones. Meaning that I think people can be encouraged by govt policy to do better for themselves (so like better mental health care and rehab for drug offenders and not so much jail time).

I also think that one of the federal govt's main functions is to regulate private industry and ensure that its products are ethically produced (no child labor etc) and safe for consumption. Industry self regulation does not work.

These views put me firmly in the left even though I split from the party line on gun control and the social safety net & affirmative action (And also the utility of identity politics) these are minor issues that ultimately boil down to superficial differences in tone and strategy.

4 upvotesHjalmbere3 years ago

Does being pro-choice and believing that climate change is man-made make you a leftie in the US? To be a leftie in Western Europe usually meant you were a socialist/social democrat and supported high taxes, less free trade, and more state intervention in the economy. To be right wing meant that you wanted less tax, more free trade, less state intervention, and more cops on the beat.

Nowadays the extreme left in Western Europe has switched focus from socialism to intersectionalism (identity politics a.k.a. white men should shut up and listen) and 3rd wave feminism. The more centre-left parties and old school fiscal conservative parties are losing ground to populist/nationalist movements since their support for the EU is associated with economic stagnation, Islamization and third world immigration.

10 upvotesEn-Zu3 years ago

Yes. The normal political axis is shifted to the Right in the U.S. our center left politicians like Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton would line up well with most conservative European politicians. They are not populist at all and support free trade and pro-business reforms.

As far as taxes go in the U.S. the conservatives put more of an emphasis on cutting taxes but in real terms both parties cut and raise taxes as much as the others. The conservatives just put on a better show about it by cutting small scale programs like the Endowment for the Arts and Planned Parenthood which is usually just an excuse to take funding from social causes they dislike and doesnt actually save much money.

In summation the two political parties in the U.S. are mirrors of one another for the most part policy-wise and only superficially diverge on the "culture wars." Panem and Circenses. Conservatives are for more "States Rights" and a less federated govt but that has been dog whistle politics for social regression since forever. They are quite content to stay federated on all topics that don't relate to the culture wars.

DT and Bernie Sanders are of course an exception to this for the most part as they're populist. DT ran on an anti-corporate and anti free trade platform but DT thusfar seems to be deferring to Mike Pence and Steve Bannon though so he mostly toes the party line and will be more or less the same imo.

0 upvotessonder_one3 years ago

You are not actually left-wing. You're just misinformed as to the real left/right split.

2 upvotesEn-Zu3 years ago

Inform me then.

I'm sympathetic to Libertarians but ideologically don't see how the "invisible hand" can account for problems like the Tragedy of the Commons. Also I don't particularly mind the state blunting market forces for public goods like the National Park Service etc.

upvotescaleyjag3 years ago

Well said. Not all of us are yanks.

2 upvotesMatharon2 years ago

In all likelihood, your socialist policies work quite well because America (in one way or another) funds your defense.

1 upvotesDAVE4372 years ago

Thank you. it seems not enough people realize this when they are congratulating Northern Europe and Western Europe on how great there socialize paradise is.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Which country would that be?

-1 upvotesnunyabinness3 years ago

Which glorious workers paradise would that be? Have you ever signed the front of a paycheck?

6 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Hahaha. Socialist policies work when the country is small enough to be a tribe.

Also, it should be said, you can have socialism and safety nets, or you can have open borders. But not both.

2 upvotesnunyabinness3 years ago

Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to get paid.

17 upvotessecretmonkeyassassin3 years ago

Right wing conservatives are often guilty of denying the obvious realities of science, when it doesn't fit their narrative (climate change, for example). Which is pretty much the epitome of Blue Pill.

Maybe there should be a 'Red Pill Left' as well

9 upvotesBreakfastGolem3 years ago

The left unanimously supports the emasculation of men, 3rd wave feminism, and the chase of decadence vs struggle. Left wing and blue pill are irrefutably synonymous in every conceivable way.

3 upvotessonder_one3 years ago

You're straw manning. Almost nobody anywhere denies that humans influence the climate in some way. We just disagree on the extent and, more significantly, whether certain proposed remedies are good ideas. The Left tends to use climate change alarmism as an excuse to impose socialism, which is what the Right actually opposes.

It's much like how feminism says that we NEED their divorce laws, and if you disagree, you want women to be treated like property.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

You realize that neo-conservatives aren't the only right wingers, don't you? Have you ever heard of libertarians?

6 upvotesBluepillProfessor3 years ago

You can be a Reagan Democrat and even a European Lefty but it seems most of the left in the U.S. today is pure Marxist/Feminist. I think you have to be Marx himself, or Lenin to pull off the schizophrenia of being both Red Pill and Marxist.

5 upvotesDaVinciNinja3 years ago

Lefty red-pill realist here! I'm not a marxist, however, but do identify as a liberal leftist (just not far left). I'll be happy to answer questions and put some negative sentiments to rest.

4 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

This is a big must-do in the evolution of TRP. There are some really idiotic and unrealistic policies and positions on the right AND the left. This community has a really hard time taking any criticism against the politics of the right and is probably too willing to dismiss those on the left.

2 upvotessonder_one3 years ago

You need to have a very shallow understanding of Leftism to believe that it's compatible with TRP.

upvotesharkrank3 years ago

I've yet to heard of a left leaning person in this century who wants the means of production to be the property of the workers.

There is a reason left-leaners are given the blind eye, most of them are beyond any kind of reason. Even if an enlightened person knows politics are far beyond left and right, at least there is good hope for the right-leaning person and therefore reason to engage in conversation.

4 upvotesForgingFakes3 years ago

Please continue. I'm intrigued

1 upvotessonder_one3 years ago

The free market puts the means of production in the hands of the workers. You own your own life and labor! Marxism puts control in the hands of authoritarian elites.

2 upvotesHumanSockPuppet3 years ago

As long as you conduct yourself with the calm rationality and courtesy, you should find Red Right receptive to your ideas.

Lord knows the left appears conspicuously devoid of rational adults capable of reasoned discourse because screaming children are all anyone ever sees.

9 upvotesnunyabinness3 years ago

Didn't you know that ad hominems have more power to sway opinions the louder they are shrieked?

7 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

Red Right

Hey, now you have a place to scream your hate of liberals.

2 upvotesHumanSockPuppet3 years ago

That's right, let it all out.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

For same reasons being seen as Right-Leaning now equates to being a Neo-Nazi.

The most radical of a group is often the most seen, most exposed and most talked about... Atleast by other groups.

That said, perhaps creating a post over at the new sub to point out what makes Left good would be a great way to explain your views.

Personally, I hate safety nets and "equality" which is one of the biggest reasons I lean more right.

I do believe in equal opportunity however.

upvotesforgotmyothernames3 years ago

you dont think inequality has an effect on opportunity?

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Is an equal result truly equal opportunity? Should companies have to hire 15% Indians cause diversity? I believe in a meritocracy as that is true equal opportunity. I am fine with funding to schools but not diversity quotas.

upvotesforgotmyothernames3 years ago

you have to establish equal opportunity before you establish a meritocracy

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

It does not have to be perfect, education is where the policies should be directed at. Diversity quotas simply cover up a problem and claim there is progress, without there actually being any progress. That is what "equality" is. Simple, easy, and even thoughtless, feel good solutions to problems at the core of society.

My most left leaning view would probably be Socialism... With regards to education after highschool.

1 upvotesthomasahle3 years ago

Red Pill Left would be very interesting.

  • How men and women can have an egalitarian, but honest relationship.

  • How we can hold some values to be better than others, but still be progressive and change our values based on discussion and experiments.

  • How we can freely discuss every topic, but without falling for the trap of biggotry.

  • How society can be used to create a more fair society, but not in a way that holds anyone back.

  • Whether dominance and social hierarchies make all human interaction a zero-sum game, or if we can help every individual be stronger and more asserting.

Something like that. It is certainly an intersection of communities that is underrepresented.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I just wanted to say that you're awesome <3. -siikdude :)

1 upvotesDreamGrl82 years ago

Isn't part of being redpill not giving a fuck about whether or not Internet strangers consider you "redpill" (especially if due to differing political beliefs)? Not a rhetorical question; I honestly am curious.

Some thoughts why you should give a fuck:

  1. If people in the community hate on you for your political beliefs and cause arguments, then that is counter-productive.

  2. We have an evolutionary urge to be part of a "tribe"; but do those group-mentality benefits pay any dividends in an Internet forum? - I think it would be different if you were involved with an RP group IRL.

  3. Nothing wrong with wanting people to see the truth - even when it comes to politics - seeing the truth is at the core of The Red Pill after all.

Thoughts for not giving a fuck:

  1. The whole notion of "Liberal", "Left", "Right", "Democrat", "Republican", etc. are labels that one shouldn't be conforming to anyway if they are a true free thinker. Too many issues are way too nuanced to pledge allegiance to a group that will make these decisions for you. It is especially silly considering one could lean left on many social issues and lean right on many financial issues - which I imagine many redpillers do.

  2. Isn't this whole notion of Red Pill Right surprising in general? I would expect independent thinkers to be libertarians (small L) or independents quite frankly. What politicians can you think of that are good Red Pill role models? (honest question not rhetorical). I feel like those in power just seem completely unrelatable and very few politicians are the people who I'd actually want representing me if I could choose from anyone.

  3. Fuck the powers that be! I mean right guys, uhm right guys?

  4. Is politics worth any time? I mean what's the point - feels like a helpless distraction. Just focus on yourself.

-2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

When you want Hillary as your representative it does.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

The way I see it; the American left is a feminist hen house and the right is taking a feminist hen house seriously. The most masculine political leaning, IMO, is Communism, which is much further left than the left.

Native American of the Pacific Northwest the man accorded the greatest prestige was the one who, at the annual Potlatch ceremony, gave the most away! He gave away the most salmon, the most honey, the most furs, and he gave away the most prayers; for everyone understood a real man could always get more of what people needed and therefore he had no need to hoard any of it! This is masculine thinking.

-What Men Know That Women Don't Rich Zubaty

I love this place for it's unrivaled romantic advice, but the political stance here is largely misguided.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Marx wanted to dismantle the family unit because he believed it was a patriarchal tool invented by the bourgeoise to keep women in slaves and pass property to their children to maintain class divide. Communism is incredibly blue pill.

upvotes32423235233 years ago

Communism attracts poly-fanatic castrates because they think that they may get laid without a family unit. Conservatism attracts BP weirdo's too because they think they can't get laid without a family unit. I'm not such a fool to think that because some conservatives are BP, all are. Why do you assume that Communism is only for BP thinking? Do you think you need a family unit to get laid?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Apparently you missed the point. Communists view the family unit as a patriarchal construct designed to keep women in bondage. Feminism is their solution to dismantling the patriarchy/family. Feminism is inherently anti red pill.

Share your possessions, share your bread, and share your girlfriend. Communism is blue pill cuckoldry hiding behind a political agenda.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

The family unit is a patriarchal construct designed to keep women in bondage. Wives were literally purchased from the father, and then they took the name of the father of their new family.

You're missing my point. RP belief, that she isn't yours, it's just your turn, is the same thing from a masculine perspective. It acknowledges that the family unit is inherently a BP effort to control women and it does not, at all, have to imply that you are sharing your girlfriend.

I don't assume that you are a cuckold for being conservative and giving a girl all of your resources to bang her, don't assume that I'm a cuckold for not giving a shit if the tool you use to do that is absolved.

upvotesa_nus3 years ago

I feel like I'm the one who's insane these days by agreen with some republican points, some democrat points, and not all of TRP's points. Seems like everyone is tilted to an extreme now.

-1 upvotesjtzabor3 years ago

sounds like your a libertarian?

12 upvotesadam-l3 years ago

Your nation is not your tribe.

Humans have tribal behavior hard-wired in them. They exhibit it, even today. But today there are no tribes. So, these kind of behaviors are problematic, in that they expose people to manipulation.

A tribe, as was the case in our evolutionary past, is a closely knit band of people, numbering no more than 150, with whom you normally spent all of your life together. The crucial characteristic of the tribe is that you got to know everyone, and every connection between every two members of the tribe. What this all comes down to is that there is not much space for deceit in a tribe.

People still exhibiting tribal behavior is the reason why modern rulers think of "the people" as gullible, idiotic sheep. That's the curse of societies, since the Agricultural Revolution which changed the social scale. Relying on your tribal, hardwired expectations about social ties does not work - we need to rely on rational thought and analysis, much-much more than we were intended to.

Therefore, I think that attempts to draw parallels between nationalism and tribalism are mislead and misleading. There is absolutely no ground today for considering nations as "tribes". If reverence for the female has been one core pillar for modern society, national identity has been the other. There is disillusionment in TRP about the first, but imo we are still quite far from a disillusionment from the second.

3 upvotesStudntRdyTeachrApear3 years ago

Are the soon to be 12 billion people on earth, a majority of which will be low IQ and in strife over resources, capable of unifying under the unnatural and extremely challenging task of applying reason in their daily life? If not, what is the savior? ASI? Actual, implementable post-scarcity? I'm not being facetious, I am being serious. I know far too many people who have internalized the hope for AI as their fallback for dealing with humanities moral conflicts as early as 2030. My prediction is that such notions are tirelessly naive, and increasingly alarming given current trends.

Posts like yours are encouraging for those that seek out the denial of their primitive inclinations, but what of those who do not? What is the solution for the overwhelming majority of human beings on our planet that do not share, or are not capable of embracing rational thought? What of those who will continually seek to collect and advance their identitarian causes, making ground against those who choose not to play?

It seems to me that identitarianism is inevitable not only because it is natural, but because it has literally been encouraged and advanced to the point where many feel western culture is on the precipice of a war over its dominant identity. There are those who willingly neglect a sense of ethnic, or racial pride, because for a time, it no longer served as a benefit. Clearly, that time seems challenged, and perhaps even passing us entirely.

Your comment is predicated on comfortable falsehoods, that tribes are no longer relevant, that they are a divisive facade. They are very real, it seems, and they are currently some the most powerful political forces in the truly multi-cultural, multi-racial societies us information age forum users are all living in. I suppose then I'm asking you, how does one get away with not playing the tribal game as we advance in the coming years? IMO, I only see it getting worse.

Edit: Wording

3 upvotesadam-l3 years ago

Personal development has parallels with the development of societies. Tribalism and identitarianism is more useful for children, undeveloped individuals, and women (women all belong to the world-wide female "tribe"). The more one is self-actualized, the less the need for identitarianism.

If you are asking how to reverse the global trend towards nationalism, which is based partly on tribal instincts, it's a valid question with no easy answer.

If you are asking about the position of a single man regarding tribalism, I would say that a man chooses his roots, and chooses, or creates his tribe. Not only you are not obligated to choose between two evils, e.g. asian vs anglo-saxon tribalism, but I would say that rational men in each side have a responsibility to underline the absurdity of the nationalism of "their own" side.

36 upvotessir_wankalot_here3 years ago

But that doesn't mean there isn't something to know about politics.

Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

I think I've been lacking in my life during the USA election cycle this past year.

Modern western democracies have been reduced to cheering for your favorite sports teams. After your team wins or losing, you disappear out of the picture for 4 years.

The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

Feminism isn't just about equal rights for women, it also is about what it means to be a woman. The second part is what most people, especially men miss.

The Manosphere, usually it is defined as MGTOW, TRP etc is about what is a male identity. The feminists have had 75+ years to think about what is a female identity, there is a range of thought in feminism. Men are lacking that.

25 upvotesmax_peenor3 years ago

Politics doesn't mean sticking your vote in a ballot box every X years. Politics is about influencing change in government but most of the change does not happen directly by voting.

The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

2 upvotessir_wankalot_here3 years ago

The average American wallet has far more power than the average American voter.

Exactly, same everywhere.

2 upvotesOvadox3 years ago

I wish people would consider this with respect to jobs. They're mad all the jobs went to China but are happy to load up their cart with foreign made crap. The Donald says it's all the fault of other countries and in electing him people received absolution of guilt from the problem they helped create. You get the economy you pay for.

1 upvotesmax_peenor3 years ago

You get the economy you BORROW for.

Slight adjustment.

And who are the biggest consumers of these goods? Women. And remember, nothing is ever their fault. No guilt to be had.

1 upvotesOvadox3 years ago

Putting it all off on women is something a woman would do. Instead of just blaming them, figure out ways to do a better job of supporting US production. Check labels, comparison shop online, send letters to retailers and producers letting them know you want more US made options, etc. If the women in your life see it is important to o you, and you are high value/alpha in their eyes they will follow your lead.

0 upvotesjuliusstreicher3 years ago

Wrong. This is the kind of talk that got us to where we are today.

We trust elected officials, and we vote for them. Then, as we saw in the 2016 election's massive anti-Trump Republican groupings, the legislators have interests that conflict with the interests of the voters. We voted for a government that was advertised, and we got the ol' bait and switch.

2 upvotesOvadox3 years ago

I'm not saying that politicians don't play a role in the problem. They certainly do and you are right to point that out. However, as I said, regular people and the choices they make when shopping have a huge impact and when I bring it up, people almost always deflect blame onto something else. Have enough fucking balls to critically evaluate your own behavior. Are you that afraid that some self-reflection will show you made a mistake? Is your ego that fragile? Just own it, figure out what you need to change and make it happen.

1 upvotesjuliusstreicher3 years ago

I can go with you part of the way, but, it is a fact that we are paying for politicians' billion dollar Foundations, and we don't know why, if we are even aware of it at all. Our reflection is worthless if there are too many treaties, laws and regulations in place.

9 upvotesniczar3 years ago

The problem with modern democracies is elections. People believe it's quasi synonymous with democracy, but it's not. Selection by lot (like for juries) would be an alternative, and one that would not systematically favor narcissists/psychopaths.

5 upvotesKalepsis3 years ago

The system that Maine instituted works extremely well.

4 upvotesniczar3 years ago

Not familiar with this, can you explain?

1 upvoteslogicalthinker13 years ago

I believe he's referring to the idea that instead of just voting for one person, you rank your choices. Many people don't want to "throw their vote away" and vote for someone with no chance to win, even if they agree with them on more things. If you list your choices in order of who you prefer, then you can vote your conscious and still make sure you aren't throwing it away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/us/maine-ranked-choice-voting.html

1 upvotespopthatpill3 years ago

Australia uses it, it doesn't make much difference to the quality of governance. If anything, Australia is worse-run than the other English speaking countries with plurality voting in single-member electorates (UK, US, Canada).

1 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

No the problem with democracy is democracy. I think Americans should spend more time reading the essays of their founding fathers who had contempt for the idea of direct democracy; it is mob rule. The more pure you make a democracy, the more tyrannical it becomes. America is a republic, not a democracy, and Americans who forget that are profoundly anti-American. These attempts to implement european-style democratic voting systems will result in bringing in the worse kinds of politicians.

0 upvotesPomandres3 years ago

You're all fools; the Mob Rules!

3 upvotesPomandres3 years ago

The Red Pill has entered our culture's vernacular and is used unironically to reference pulling back the curtain on any philosophy and discover the secret inner workings.

 

The Red Pill has been instrumental in helping myself and others find sanity in the world of sex and women, but there is no such guiding light for me in politics.

 

There are yet more veils to pierce.

8 upvotesKatavasis3 years ago

I see the potential value.

But why the Red Pill Right ? Right is a political spectrum that is different from country to country.

I can see why you want to 'secure' this name,but this could limit the discussions and drive off real debates.

I would cetrainly enjoy this sub,but i seriously hope it will be tolerant to ideas and discussions,since it's in its early stages.

8 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Because we're correct.

Lol.

No but seriously, most here lean right. I debated using a neutral term but the fact is, the red pill right is already being used in the media. Time for us to put a saddle on it.

1 upvotesKatavasis3 years ago

Well,this will surely protects TRP from getting highjacked by a political party.

Still,i hope we discuss politics with an open mind.Time will tell!

1 upvotesSummertime_Dimes3 years ago

How can you acknowledge a vast conspiracy whereby men are misled into believing things about women, and yet refuse to even consider the existence of a nefarious group behind the conspiracy?

3 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

You make it seem like TRP is banning/silencing anyone remotely left-wing. Don't make yourself into a victim when you are not one, just because your argument is weak.

If a leftist on here believes that they can align a belief in social equality-of-outcomes with TRP's tenet of the 80-20 rule and male competition then it only shows that they don't understand TRP. They are free to express their belief and others are free to criticise them. Censorship is the tool of the weak and ignorant.

27 upvotesMentORPHEUS3 years ago

a fresh place to discuss politics with a serious tone rather than the memes and rage porn of the_donald.

Such great news! I'm not a Trump or Republican fan, nor was I a Hillary fan, especially the closer to the election we got. I honestly tried to follow The_Donald, but the takeaway was just a giant circlejerk only a True Believer could love. Another day, another poorly drawn Pepe meme with thousands of upvotes, the Trump Train has reached 80% of c (speed of light), and The Wall is another 10 feet taller, touching the orbit of Neptune. Very low-bandwidth, low signal, high noise.

Trying to have a serious discussion there was like discussing politics with the denizens of my Mom's retirement village. You never get to touch upon subjects like supply-side economics and the Laffer curve; fail to nod and agree and people are red-face screaming at you to get out of the country if you don't like it. Attempting to discuss a cost-benefit analysis of the border wall got me, "There is no cost-benefit analysis you CUCK!"

I'm also a serious believer that Left-Right politics is a Blue Pill game, that makes enemies of allies and serves masters other than ourselves by keeping the masses fighting among themselves instead of consolidating into a serious threat to the problematic status quo.

Looking forward to having a place to have serious technical discussions about the intersection of TRP and politics. Thanks, RPS! Edit:Remove Link

12 upvotesRollo-Tomassi3 years ago

MIlo is just the target du jour of the moment. No one wants to discuss his points or his topics, but he make the perfect effigy for rage. Gavin McGuiness is a close second.

2 upvotesNewreddawn3 years ago

I have to wonder if he even prepares speeches anymore. The publicity he gets from being denied the ability to speak has worked miracles for his book sales.

Their points won't be ignored forever, though. I'm still absolutely astonished that there isn't more introspection within the ranks of a party that just lost control of all 3 branches (and both houses) of government.

1 upvotestallwheel3 years ago

He's just a proxy for Trump to most of these idiots protesting him. They have no idea who he is or what his personal opinions are on anything. I'll bet a lot of them don't even know that he is gay or Jewish. They just care that he is a vocal supporter of Trump.

6 upvotesNeoreactionSafe3 years ago

 

We do more to change politics by "Killing the Beta" and "Enjoying the Destruction" of the Blue Pill mythology that you can debating at the superficial level.

The root problem with Western culture is that it has been dumbed down in order to push the world towards a globalist system.

The phony debates operate at a low mental "vibration" for lack of a better word.

We really only benefit humanity by benefiting our own improvement.

 

20 upvotesGayLubeOil3 years ago

How are you going to differentiate the Red Pill Right from the Alt Right? Because when you start discussing things like nationalism and tribalism discussion on topics like Race and The Jews isn't far behind. As we all know that kind of thing tends to get banned on Reddit.

12 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Easy. The same way TheRedPill has outlasted everybody's expectations.

We're smarter than your average redditor. We know better than to start delving into racist nonsense.

There's a difference between recognizing voting and economic blocks, and blaming Jews for everything. One of those won't be tolerated.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I am very very worried that it is going to devolve into an alt-right haven. The last thing we need is the media associating us with them. We need to do what we can to keep the fascist scum out of there so we can keep the discussion focused on TRP, free markets, and Liberty.

4 upvotesSummertime_Dimes3 years ago

The media already thinks your a nazi based on your views towards women. What are you worried about exactly?

5 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Your equating "alt-right" with fascism is disturbing; it is a far-left narrative. The "alt right" really is nothing more than the internet generation who lean right but reject the establishment. Most people behind Milo and co are regular conservatives and libertarians. The media have already linked this place to fascism. In case you haven't realised by now, everyone posting on here is a fascist nazi rapist according to the mainstream media. Think for yourself a bit.

If you want to see the fascists just look at the masked thugs attacking people and starting riots. The fascists were originally paramilitary socialists after-all.

1 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

If we were at risk for that, TRP already would be. We keep it at bay.

4 upvotesTie5o113 years ago

I think this sub could be effective if it is mature enough to police its own ranks. Everyone knows that extremists are its own worst enemies. White nationalists like Richard Spencer and his sheep who Nazi salute after Trump wins do far more to help the left and undermine the right than any average activist or protest. If the sub caves to the pressure of those extremists, and does not defend against that flank, then yes, 'The Red Pill Right' is going to be a great Trojan horse for forces who ultimately want to shut down TRP. It will give them endless ammo in their arsenal to label the entire TRP as an extreme racist / sexist / whateverist community.

If The Red Pill Right becomes a venue where like-minded man can discuss poltiics, and weed out the Richard Spencer types, then I think it can be a great sub.

TLDR; Dont f**k it up, RedPillSchool

1 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

They already have that ammo. This place has been on standby for shutdown for ages. Doesn't matter how well it is policed and modded, they have already decided that non-blue-pill thought is hate speech.

4 upvotesdr_warlock3 years ago

The Alt Right Sub was banned a couple of days ago. To describe it in a couple of sentences, it's a less intellectual version of Dark Enlightenment topics that the Conspiracy sub doesnt dare touch: Race, Jews, nationalism, Migrants/Rapefugees, and women to a degree.

23 upvotesGayLubeOil3 years ago

The danger is that the new sub will attract the AltRight exodus. Soon they'll start posting things on race and Jews then Reddit will ban The Red Pill Politics and after that just ban The Red Pill.

When Reddit gets the call "OY Vey Shut it Down" They shut it down.

3 upvotesdr_warlock3 years ago

Whatever. Bring it on reddit.

1 upvotesxddm26533 years ago

Better than being on the opposite end.

20 upvotesPaulAJK3 years ago

Milo makes otherwise fairly sensible liberals totally fucking deranged. People call him a fascist and a white nationalist, when he's obviously neither. It's quite an eye-opener.

Anyway, yeah, it's good to set up your own political sub. My main feeling about the alt/new right is they're good at diagnosing problems, but many of their solutions suck. Still waaay better than tradcons though

12 upvotesvandaalen3 years ago

People call him a fascist and a white nationalist

They are also calling him a Nazi, which to me as a German, and former member of the AntiFa in the late 80s, is rather unsettling. I have been brought up with the constant reminder of what my ancestors did, although they really didn't, since my father is too young and both my grandfathers were simple footsoldiers with one of them even ending up as a POW with a bullet shot through his arm in Ukraine at the ripe age of 17.

Also comparing Trump to Hitler might be one of the most retarded things the left could come up with. Seriously. WTF? I am not a Trump fan and I do not believe that you end up in places like the one he is by being a decent human being, but Hitler was just so much more. That shows that they are even too dumb to educate themselves properly.

And finally what the left seems to forget, observed under the light of the current circumstances, that it was indeed the violence of the communists as well, that led to the 3rd Reich. There were so many streetfights and riots in the Berlin of the late 20s and early 30s, and people were just fed up with the chaos.

The black block could also easily be compared to the SA by the way, who also (besides from acting as bouncers at speeches) served as a tool to bring terror and violence to innocent protests.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Exactly. From what I've seen and heard, the leftists are completely oblivious that this kind of conservative resurgence does not develop spontaneously. It grew BECAUSE OF how far the pendulum had swung. People were fed up with the rampant PC culture. People who otherwise wouldn't dream of voting for Trump flocked to the polls to support someone who didn't support that ideology.

1 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

The white nationalists hate Milo for his support of multi-racialism. He is only against multiculturalism. I tend to agree with Milo that there is no reason to "purify" already multi-racial countries like the USA, UK, France etc. But small homogenous white nations (Finland, Norway for example) must be respected; this is the difference between being a rational multi-racialist and someone advocated white-genocide (much of the Left these days).

upvotesAnonnitor3 years ago

Interesting idea. You realize now though that we have to rebuild the entire lore from the ground up. That sub needs it's own 'required reading' sidebar.

Imagine starting this subreddit right here without a sidebar and a defined set of values of what proper sexual strategy is. It would be a complete clusterfuck.

Here in TRP we make the case that this view is the correct view, biologically, evolutionarily, etc. And that the blue pilled view is wrong. Really wrong. Not 'oh you can choose it if you want but ours is better' but 'no being blue pilled in sexual strategy is WRONG ON A DNA LEVEL'.

Now what I want to see is if you can make that same case/statement for politics, or for a political view, and if you can build the sidebar materials necessary to make newcomers see your way of thinking, if you ever do accomplish that goal.

And then after that, you have to see if that sub will even be allowed to exist on this site. If you've seen the type of things I have seen, if you knew what I know, then you might already know the answer to that question.

I think it's already been solved by the way, what the correct 'evolutionary politics' is. But anyways, let's see what happens. Too many people are still asleep, and violently so.

2 upvotesok_heh3 years ago

What is the "correct evolutionary politics" you're referring to?

Not trolling, wandered into this thread and if I'm in a bubble or blue-pilling it then I want to be enlightened.

upvotesAnonnitor3 years ago

Just like eating a steak instead of tofu makes you feel good because it gives your body something it evolved eating and therefore gives you nutrients and minerals that you need, I'm proposing that there has to be a system of government or a way of living in society that we evolved doing, and that feels good because it provides our minds with something that they need.

3 upvotesok_heh3 years ago

Yeah that makes sense, I didn't know if you were referring to a book or theory that had already been established somewhere that I could learn about.

upvotesAnonnitor3 years ago

As far as a solid theory to point you to if you want to do some reading... hmm.. That's a good question. Mostly I learned just by browsing all the corners of the internet searching for answers. I don't think I ever found one solid place with everything laid out yet. As far as theories go, you gotta look for political systems that are based on the reality more than they are based on ideals - that's part of the reason capitalism absolutely wrecked communism. If you don't allow the market to work on its own things go bad fast. Just extrapolate this example out to all facets of society.

Also it'd be easier for me if I knew where you stood now, or at least where you are looking towards if that question is too personal.

5 upvotestopothebellcurve3 years ago

It seems to me that the real political red pill is that the left/right spectrum is a tool used against us. A single dimension to evaluate political truth on? Really? Ah hahaha what a corral!

3 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I agree. Write a post. I would love to read it.

1 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Ask someone to define Left/Right and they will mumble something about racism. That's why they've become meaningless, because people use them as insults rather than political definitions. It's further muddled by the incoherent labelling of the Nazis as right-wing. Nobody was calling them right-wing in the 1930s. It is historical revisionism.

I've always thought that Left/Right was a simple spectrum of power; centralised state power versus individual power. This is also the view of plenty of economists.

9 upvotesg8TUNESbra3 years ago

This is good, not everyone on here is a Trump done. And the Trumpeting is annoying as fuck. Sexual strategy has nothing to do with politics.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Yes it does, feminism is a sexual strategy. The one political viewpoint that unites us is that we are vehemently opposed to third-wave feminism. That inherently makes TRP right leaning.

3 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Of course it has plenty to do with politics. It's infantile to deny such a thing. Every other topic in here is about marriage or false-rape, both inexorably linked to the feminist political climate. Get your head out the sand.

4 upvotesBluepillProfessor3 years ago

I really like this idea and your definition of the Red Pill Right.

Red Pill is amoral and apolitical and TRP should certainly stay that way. However, once you take the Red Pill, certain political perspectives almost always become clear. There is plenty of room for discussion on gays, and school choice, security and crime fighting, and open borders, war and peace, abortion, and so on, but I would think the Red Pill Right would generally be opposed to transgenderism/gender blending. The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

On many of the larger issues there is broad agreement in the Red Pill Right on several Conservative principles such as limited government that goes hand in glove with lower taxes and private property rights and all are essential for a strong MAN. Some Red Pillers may do good deeds, vote Democrat, call themselves "Liberal" or Progressive, help the poor, and so on, but the underlying realization for Red Pill is to be a strong, independent Alpha man. This is why there is broad agreement on the Red Pill Right to generally eschew generous welfare and make-work government jobs. When we add that the natural enemy of Red Pill is Feminism- the dominant Marxist/Far Left ideology of our time- it is evident that the term "Red Pill Right is exactly right even if not all of us are on the "Right." Certainly the Red Pill Right is closer to "Trumpism" than to establishment Conservative thought. It may have been the Red Pill Right that was the tip of the spear in the recent election.

I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective. Tucker and RPS have just invented something important. Step aside Tea Party. We on the Red Pill Right have got this.

4 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

The concerted effort to make little boys into little girls while making little girls into ball busting entitled princesses is the antitheses of Red Pill thought.

Though I think that most of us don't care if anybody decides to "feel" like they're something else, I think we all take exception to the idea that we, as a culture, are incouraging young boys to want to be girls (and vice versa). It becomes a problem when the culture glorifies something and it expands beyond your normal rate of different people.

I think the new sub should be heavily moderated and a place for REAL and serious political discussion from a Red Pill Right perspective.

And that it shall be, in fact we've focused on deleting a lot of pro-trump content, not because I disagree, but because it doesn't make an argument at all, but rather fluffs him up.

My goal is to have a place that we can finally have a serious discussion that limits trolling and goalpost moving, and gets to the real motivations behind political moves. I don't care what side you're on, left or right. You should be examined under a microscope.

1 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Most of the RP core themes in the sidebar are really part of a right-of-centre political narrative. I'm glad some people on here are aware of this but it seems a LOT of posters here are scared of some of the logical consequences of TRP.

It's a good thing that the Red Pill Right exists because this place isn't really red-pilled anymore.

1 upvotesBluepillProfessor3 years ago

Right of center. Well yeah, the word right is in the name. It not being red pill is something they are working on. Posting guidelines and the ban hammer will trim the herd.

5 upvotesnzgs3 years ago

Imo TRP is extricably linked to politics and people who deny that don't really understand how deep the rabbit hole goes. TRP is incompatible with SJW ideas that value temoporary emotional wellbeing over reason, logic, respect, boundaries. If one believes that they are entitled to the earnings of others, they can't then turn around and preach about how entitlement is bad in the context of TRP. If someone believes in TRP concepts of self-improvement and looksmaxing, they can't then preach that the world should change so as not to offend their feelings. If you understand that we pass on our genes in a competitive marketplace where there are winners and losers, then you can't honestly not see the wider implications of this to our social evolution.

If you're a leftist then you might have the red pill in your mouth but you haven't swallowed and digested it.

5 upvotesEntropy-73 years ago

The whole idea of being "Red Pill" is to see reality for what it is. I have been a political conservative since I was 14 years old because conservatism passes the reality check better than anything the liberals and leftists have to offer.

The left appeals to the dullards and losers in our society, as well as the over-educated who lead them.

Anyways: see you over there RPS

4 upvotesFinzi3 years ago

I'm politically left, but I still find TRP persuasive when it comes to sexual strategy. Obviously I recognize that there is overlap and affinity between aspects of TRP and conservative thought, but TRP tells us basically nothing about economics. Income and wealth inequality are out of control, and rich people dominate the political process. And it's not because a few rich supermen are so damn competent and awesome at their jobs. It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

8 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

It's because laws, regulations, economic and tax policy are stacked in favor or rich people in a thousand different ways.

Rich people are good at staying rich, that's for sure. But don't make the mistake of thinking the 1% on the left are going to treat you better than the 1% on the right.

3 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

Why not "theRedPillPolitics"? Wouldn't it be better to allow both left and right leaning people to participate in the conversation?

I agree with a lot of what the red pill says about sexual strategy, but I lean socialist in my politics.

After much study, I think socialized healthcare, high quality public schools and environmental protections are pivotal to society, but at the same time I think feminism is mostly a movement based on hypocrisy and hate (despite some well-meaning people).

I have basically no where to go, because that makes me unacceptable to both the "right" and the "left."

I think if you just identified yourself as "politics" instead of "the right" you could win the support of people like me, and have a much larger political movement.

3 upvotespurplecabbage3 years ago

govt. spend responsibly, don't take my money

LOL

But otherwise I like the post. And I like the redpillright political concept. If I can't have free markets, this is a closer approximation than anything else and I support it.

upvotesMankindMF3 years ago

What is Milo's sexual strategy

2 upvotesBareFistEmpiricist3 years ago

Back door strategy.

3 upvotesneopet3 years ago

You know what? I was starting to worry that the red pill name was being hijacked by the alt right after the incredible smear campaign which that group endured. Personally, I'd like this place to stay as a political as possible with the exception of some specific relevant cases. I think it's unfortunate /theredpillright has to exist, but I understand it's necessary to preserve /theredpill from those outside the community.

I guess what I'm trying to say is thanks for taking the right steps to keep this place on the rails.

3 upvotesTrannyPornO3 years ago

Sex is political, per the descent of man and institution of monogamy.

3 upvotesOvadox3 years ago

Politics is not football. It is foolish for people to divide up into two opposing teams, force every problem and solution into a false dichotomy and then make a zero sum game out of every difference. That shuts down creative problem solving and silos people off in captive constituencies . It's great for the people in charge since they can figure out what benefits them the most, work towards that behind the scenes while they get everybody else to fight over pointless details.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Politics and the red pill are completely intertwined. If you don't think so you haven't absorbed enough. If you are a sanders supporter and read this sub you haven't absorbed enough.

Red Pill Right = quasi libertarian. It does not mean traditional conservative. It does mean seeing through the liberal charade on issues covering gender, race, government, and religion

3 upvotes33papers3 years ago

Personally, I love this sub, it's bang on with sexual strategy. But so much of the political side is reactionary, most of t_d is a pathetic personality cult.

2 upvotesNormanoSilurian2 years ago

What's going on is a return to mayoral politics - ie politics dominated by extraordinary characters.

It's the result of the people having a much more full, open and direct relationship with the candidates (the lying, manipulative MSM having been cut out).

upvotesDevon88223 years ago

yeah no, OP you have no idea what you are talking about regarding politics. Secondly "red pill" is a term used in many circles… I first heard it used in political circles and only found out that it was used here later.

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5 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Secondly "red pill" is a term used in many circles… I first heard it used in political circles and only found out that it was used here later.

You're young and uninformed. I won't hold it against you.

3 upvoteschidoriwarrior3 years ago

Have you never seen the Matrix?

3 upvotesSoSconed2 years ago

So essentially a sophisticated /pol/. Congratulations you have out fedora'd 4chan.

3 upvotesstawek2 years ago

There is one problem with poilticizing theRedPill.

Politics are about maintaining our culture and civilization. TheRedPill main tenets (spin plates, be alpha and shit on betas) will destroy civilization.

Like it or not, but civilizations are built by betas who work overtime for their wifes and children, not by Chads.

3 upvotessarc0lupus2 years ago

It's a good move a different sub was created to discuss this: please don't dilute RedPill with other stuff or it'll turn into the Pussy Pass sub which has recently lost my following (it was once a great sub full of examples of feminine imperative and free passes, but has now been overrun with politics).

One of the reasons RedPill is such an incredibly good sub is because of the good and reasonable moderation. A benevolent oligarchy (a council of elders): the mods have ensured our sub doesn't get clogged with garbage (seduction sub has sadly turned this way). RedPill continues to deliver life-changing content.

Keep it up lads.

4 upvotesTomFoo3 years ago

I believe it was Rollo who said there has to be many Red Pills out there, not just ours. And perhaps not just about sexual strategy either.

RP media, RP career, RP college, RP high school, RP running a biz, RP philosophy/lifestyle, RP retirement, so on.

Although it's frustrating when documentaries and political stances take away from the hard work of this community, we can't change the direction of the wave. Might as well ride that bitch and ride her well.

Excellent, timely move, RPS.

4 upvoteshermit0873 years ago

"Red pilled" is a general term for learning things which are politically incorrect or unpleasant to think about. For example, its 4chan lingo for somebody to say "redpill my on this subject" when talking about a historical event or political issue.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I'm against the idea.

TRP is about slaying pussy and making the most of your Masculinity.

Don't get me wrong. I browse the other alternative subs and DNGAF who hates jews, niggers, and spics and care even less if they are justified or accurate. I do see the loose connections to the primary issues we discuss here.

Still, its important not to take our eyes off the ball and TRPs rule zero is about your sexual strategy.

7 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

That's why we've moved it to another sub. Good news is we won't be tolerating racism over there either.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

as long as misogyny is front and center than Ill be happy to contribute.

its easy..how can one not make fun of how ridiculous bitches can be?

3 upvotesneopet3 years ago

I agree with you, I don't want politics associated with TRP name. But unfortunately it's being done for us already by those outside the community. This is the only way I can see us keeping the main sub a-political going forwards.

2 upvoteshermit0873 years ago

"But it serves as little more than rage porn and memes. The conversation actually stops itself from getting too deep. A few conjectures land at the top of every post, but nothing is really said about the underlying theory of what is happening today"

If you are looking for "red pilled" political ideology, that would be the alt-right(its not all extreme white supremacists) or some variation of libertarianism.

Many in these political spheres actually did first become "redpilled" in the manosphere just like you guys. Heartiste/Roissy was the beginning for me and I have heard many others say the same. 4chans /pol/ is also redpilled a lot of people about politics, but you have to spend like a year regularly shitposting on their to learn anything.

In retrospect, reading books about political philosophy might be a much more efficient way to learn about this stuff than internet communities.

2 upvotesLionlocker3 years ago

This has been long coming, subbed immediatly.

It's absolutely imperative that politics are decided based on logic and fact. We can have all the lovey-dovey sjws that want a big happy hugbox, but realistically it just isn't happening. It's a long time coming that logic reclaims its place as top decision maker.

Having been on TRP for a year now, I know the ideas discussed here are of great significance, based in reality and eloquently put. I was eagerly awaiting the conversation to become political.

We live in extraordinary times. A tidal wave of conservatism and attention on the global elite shadow government. I want to live through these times with the bright minds present here.

2 upvotesMckallidon3 years ago

Subbed. Need more outlets to shitpost and/or consume posted-shit.

2 upvotesNegativeFrank3 years ago

It's unclear whether this sub is meant to be male dominated.

2 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

I welcome truth and reason. No need to identify gender.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I'm pretty evenly split between republican and democratic ideologies but still enjoy banging broads and not taking their BS. I don't think it has much to do with politics.

Most conservatives are religious and I'm an atheist so that alone knocks me out of the republican camp.

I'm also not big on immigration (legal or otherwise) so that knocks me out of the democrat camp.

Let's talk about banging broads!

2 upvotesMcFistycuffs3 years ago

IN MY OPINION, it seems to me that linking The redpill to the right idealologies is an attempt from the right to gain support of middle class males in America and further polarize the political sphere.

Understand, that the key to getting a group of people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do, is to provide some incentive. Through much of human history that incentive was in the form of arms and force, but also, by controlling access to women. The institution of marriage was formed by agricultural societies as a means of accomplishing this.

It's in human nature to want to fuck. How does the father inventivize his sons to plow the land? By controlling their access to women. It was the father's choice, who you married in early agricultural societies for that reason. The son who rebels never marries.

My next statement is not to chastize or strike fear in the hearts of those who identify most closely to the right but. . . Based on my observations and study of history and politics, it is my educated OPINION, that the current administration knows this all to well. Due to the fact that The Redpill is centered around the topic of sexual strategy, it seems a rational strategy for a political party (who have lost a lot of support of millenials in recent decades) would be linking their base to these sexual strategies. They understand that we understand things about sex that most simple fucks just don't realize. The strategy here is to link Redpill to the Right ideals, thus persuading those simple fucks, to join in on their political agenda.

I believe "alpha" "beta" language is going to become particually dangerous in this political atmosphere, because it's going to be used BY BOTH SIDES, to undermine and devalue idealologies we disagree with. This is particularly dangerous to our democratic system, because good democracies require us to listen and talk with each other in order to share ideas. But if we end up just calling people we disagree with "beta cucks" it will only cause more resentment between the two dominant political identities in America.

I believe that all of us, regardless of our political stance, at least agree on one thing: The fifth amendment. So gentlemen, I encourage all of you to educate yourself on political science. Wiki John Stewart Mill. Read 1984. And do not result to insults in your political debates from day to day, but instead stick to facts and observation, remain open to new opinions.

2 upvotesepubliusrex3 years ago

Answers to your questions are easy and simple. All you have to do is look at world history over the last 3500 years. The white man has repeatedly conquered the world. The white man has repeatedly invented the world. And the white man, when he's angry and especially when he's organized, is the scariest thing in the world. And the world knows it.

Thus, you have concerted effort to feminized white males and deprive them, through laws and rhetoric, of their natural, hegemonic place in the world. White women, and control of them, have been the spear of this movement. There were not enough blacks in the country in 1960 to effect the necessary changes. Thus women had to be used to take down the white male's supremacy in his native lands--America and Canada being part of those native lands.

It's Marxian construct. You need to wrap your heads around that.

1 upvotesPaullyBeenis2 years ago

You're aware white people are native to Europe, right? I mean I love trolling this subreddit but come on dog are you a retard? It's okay if you are bro you should just put a little disclaimer at the top of your posts so people know it's just your autistic rage and not to give it any credence.

2 upvotesAn_All-Beef_Engineer3 years ago

Why don't you invite quality posters from the_Donald?

2 upvotesarthurabyssal2 years ago

The evolutionary aspects of TRP is left winged, and in fact most TRP members attempt sexual relations with many different women ('spinning plates') and this is a VERY Liberal way of life. However the whole submissive wife thing and masculine/feminine deconstruction is right-wing. Point being that left amd right are silly terms. Overall the Redpill is just politically caveman: believes in caveman sexual principles which predated politics.

2 upvotesbigcitytruth2 years ago

Both parties have attributes that run counter to the red pill.

Dems are easier to pick out. The feminism and pussy-footed lack of masculinity are their noted flaws.

But Republicans have problems, too. They believe in marriage and the white-picket-fence. They also are the biggest white knights and believe too much in chivalry (the kind that is detrimental to men's autonomy, such as always paying, holding doors, etc).

Now to talk about actual politics is impossible on TRP because 90% of the users here are too young to have any perspective. How can they have an opinion on taxes if they haven't even done their own taxes for more than a couple years? How can they have an opinion on terrorism if they were 5 years old when 9/11 happened? Both parties are awful and honestly, if people want to swallow a REAL pill about politics is that you need to step away from parties because they BOTH are fucking you.

4 upvotesdankvibez3 years ago

So basically OP you are kinda like Gary Johnson?

In otherwords instead of having a minority rail your wife from behind while a koch brother stands above her jacking his dick trying to get a few drops of cum on her face, you just have the koch brother standing there? Hoping to get a sweet sweet drop of that "TRICKLE DOWN" money.

Sounds redpill as fuck bruh.

5 upvotesBuzzedNig3 years ago

Am I allowed to talk about jews? T_D is completely cucked to the zionist cause

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Makes sense. Leftism and TRP are inherently incompatible worldviews

15 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

I wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Republican and I want to fuck lots of women.

Did I just blow your mind?

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Republicans aren't economically right wing, they believe very strongly in central economic planning.

Did I just blow your mind?

8 upvotesDiarrhea_Van_Frank3 years ago

You're being downvoted because people still haven't let go of their emotional attachment to their dogma. Leftism is inherently incompatible with Red Pill, because leftism is born out of idealism, and we do not live in an ideal world. We live in the real world with real, fucked up, selfish, destructive people. The right is the side that addresses the world as it is, not how it should be.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

While I agree that leftism is the desire for a more ideal state, but I don't see how that's incompatible with TRP. Despite my bleeding liberal heart, my wife is so compliant to me that I get quizzical looks in public and I'm casually solicited for dating advice pretty regularly. If my refusal to accept the current state of affairs (which is what brought me to TRP in the first place) is incompatible with TRP, how did I establish and maintain an RP relationship?

2 upvotesCleburnCO3 years ago

ng liberal heart, my wife is so compliant to me that I get quizzical looks in public and I'm casually solicited for dating advice pretty regularly. If my refusal to accept the current state of affairs (which is what brought me to TRP in the first place) is incompatible with TRP, how did I establish and maintain an RP relationship?

There are plenty of leftists that are authoritarian in nature, and thus...somewhat akin to red pill. Heck, Smedly Butler won two medals of honor and ended his life as a full blown communist that hated democracy, individual rights, and liberty...he was absolutely red pill in the personal sense. Being red pill doesn't mean you are a decent human being one way or another. It doesn't mean you are good or evil. It is one part of a larger whole. Red Pill life (world view) is not the same as simple red pill sexual strategy which is more akin to PUA games.

Red Pill mindset/philosophy would not be leftist at all...as it is more Rousseau based philosophy. Hobbes based philosophy is clearly blue pill and the parties are based on those two philosophies with Rousseau being the basis of the right and Hobbes being the basis of the left.

Based on that, it is logical to see the left as more blue pill and the right as more red pill...but that is an oversimplification as there are cases where that isn't true.

The issue is AWALT/AMALT...you are not the exception to the rule.

Don't look at it as left/right. Look at the philosophy behind it which is Rousseau vs Hobbes. Rousseau was a flat out Red Pill MoFo. Hobbes was blue pill to the core.

2 upvotesSummertime_Dimes3 years ago

You're living a lie or your compliant wife is ugly and couldn't do any better

2 upvotesdeepthrill3 years ago

Are you going to link to it in the sidebar under "Red Pill Subreddits"?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's invaluable that you seem to have described it as TRP endorsing a specific way of viewing and analyzing politics pragmatically (" to discuss politics from a red pill standpoint"), rather than a rigid political dogma based only on the existing parties.

2 upvotesI_AM_CALAMITY3 years ago

If that was what the sub was I would be overjoyed. He specified, however, that it is right wing. In my opinion, that is a massive mistake and I'm shocked.

upvotesrporion3 years ago

I will try to correct you because I do think you are wrong.

If you look at it, the average woman and her offspring (yes, HER offspring) is subsidized to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars over her lifetime.

Given that the deal was surplus resources from the man in exchange for sex and reproductive resources that disarmes the average man which just so happens to be the backbone of civilization.

Which leads to a society men increasingly disengage from and liberal distribution of wealth makes that all possible.

-1 upvotesrporion3 years ago

Sorry, replied to the wrong post.

upvotesNotExactlyChad3 years ago

The problem with US politics is we don't have a clear understanding of the political spectrum to begin with. We place our ideologies on it without defining what they mean and why they belong there.

The only true political spectrum is this:

Totaltarianism --------------------------- Individualism

2 upvoteshermit0873 years ago

The "political compass" is actually pretty good for generally describing peoples political beliefs, with an authoritarian/libertarian axis basically like you are saying, then a socialist/capitalist axis.

You are certainly free to say you don't like either side, but that doesn't mean both sides are the same.

upvotesNotExactlyChad3 years ago

You're right, a political spectrum has two axi. What I meant was that we usually consider Rep. and Dem. to be on the right and the left, but that's not a clear representation of what they stand for .

If we consider communism as the far left extreme and fascism as the far right extreme, on a linear scale, it doesn't leave any room for anarchism, libertarianism or other less authoritarian ideologies.

But if we use the same linear scale with two opposing extremes on each side it gives a better perspective of where different ideologies can be placed.

This, obviously, is debatable depending on who you talk to, but it's still a more accurate representation.

1 upvoteshermit0873 years ago

Fair enough. Its very common to come across libertarians that make the lazy "both sides are exactly the same" horseshoe theory argument(youtuber Sargon of Akkad is famous for this)and I was assuming you were one of those people at first.

1 upvotesFocusi3 years ago

Something TRP has taught me throughout the years is that I should never take anything at face value. That includes politics.

The past election period has been a wild ride where there's been an internal conflict at the top level which they then projected onto the population and look where it got us.

Also I just watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Alex Jones and holy shit is it juicy. Since I don't take things by face value I am inclined not to trust everything I heard on there. But I'll be damned if it didn't get me thinking

1 upvotesSILENTSAM693 years ago

Not to take away from the idea that most things in life are intertwined with sexual strategy, but I think the reason that most curse words are sexual in nature is a cultural thing.

In some languages from other cultures it is blasphemous words that are often curse words, where as in our culture it is sexual words. I think it is tied to what the culture in question has an obsession with seeing in a negative way.

1 upvotesThe_Tempest__3 years ago

Excellent idea. Subbed.

1 upvotesRedPillApprentice993 years ago

Great addition to the red pill sphere. Subbed.

1 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

Does this mean an end to all political talk on TRP? Please say yes.

My primary interest in coming to TRP is to be a better man and to learn more about women.

I have no freaking interest in reading things about Trump or liberals etc here.

5 upvotesredpillschool [OP]3 years ago

Yes, any political talk that's not strictly related to sexual strategy will be removed from TRP.

1 upvotesSnazzy_Serval3 years ago

Awesome. That's great news.

1 upvotesCleburnCO3 years ago

Anybody that is undecided on politics, at this point in the game, is either lazy or stupid. It as clear as TRP's theory on dating, which team does what. You would have to self delude to think the political left is good for men...or pretty much anyone else.

There are shitbirds on all sides...but damn...this is pretty basic.

Politics isn't rocket science. Pick a team...the one that is best for you, your family, your country. Done.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Agree with some of this but the truth of the matter is that the Right has been as Big Government as the Left had for a long time. The veils have been thrown over people's eyes to make them think the opposite. They have a celebrity as a face of a dying ideology. Just my opinion.

1 upvotesI_AM_CALAMITY3 years ago

Politically Blue Pill:

  1. Supports eliminating the minimum wage because, "All people working for minimum wage are lazy."

  2. Calls Trump a Nazi.

  3. Supports a border wall because, "There is currently nothing AT ALL in place to stop illegal immigrants. This wall will completely end illegal immigration. Hail Trump."

Politically Red Pill:

  1. Supports eliminating the minimum wage because, "the minimum wage benefits employees who keep their jobs at the expense of those who lose them."

  2. Believes that Trump likely has his heart in the right place and if it doesn't seem like he does, I should educate myself more on his opinions before describing him as a Nazi.

  3. Supports a border wall because, "It is demonstrated that a wall will deter illegal immigration to an extent that will justify the expense."

Respectfully, this idea is bad enough that it will cause harm to trp. There should be a separate subreddit for TheRedPillPolitics but only to identify and destroy emotional or otherwise illogical arguments that are used to justify ANY position. Diagnosing Trump with a mental disorder is BLUE PILL. Making fun of Trump's hair is BLUE PILL. Opposing Trump on cutting taxes because we are trillions in debt is RED PILL, whether I agree with the argument or not (I don't).

Please reconsider. The reason TRP is majority anti-leftism is because the arguments of the left become more blue pill each day. There is plenty of disagreement among trpers. We have people from nearly every place on the political spectrum because there is a logically consistent frame of mind for most political beliefs. If we created a sub around these principles, we could achieve what a default political sub was meant to achieve: honest and valuable discussion.

1 upvotesI_AM_CALAMITY3 years ago

President Obama's foreign policy was blue pill because our relationships with other countries were give and no take. It's like with a girl who can get anything she asks for while her admirer hopes and prays that eventually she will give something in return. President Trump has completely flipped the paradigm and tells other countries, "What can you do for me?" The beta bux has taken control of his relationship. Those who are still blue pill will find him less likeable, an asshole. It's completely standard how all these countries are disappointed we're not beta bux anymore.

1 upvotesWhiteTrashKiller3 years ago

The two greatest frauds of modern civilization! Organized Religion and Organized Government. At one time or another one would get you killed and the other enslaved, I guess it remains true to this day.....

Will there be a RP Christianity sub? Or RP Muslim?

It is great that there is a sub dedicated to it, as the bitchslapping contests here would get out of control clogging up the pipeline. Thanks for creating it cause rarely does an emotional thinker agree with a logical thinker on any level, so most political discussions whether based in RP or BP theory usually end up in name calling.......

upvotesDhma3 years ago

Organized religion brought us feminism? Organized religion allowed the growth of political Islam in the West? Organized religion led to modern identity politics?

It was the decline of organized religion that allowed these things.

1 upvotesWhiteTrashKiller3 years ago

Organized religion brought us feminism? Yes and No! I say both because under religious law women serve their husbands, but as the church's influence has receded those usually bound by its control have become the main antagonist in the feminist movement. So if Religion wasn't ever created, we as a species would still operate under cultural norms and gender specific obligations to our groups which would normally quell such movements. Yes it sounds mysogonistic, if you feel compelled to ask....

Organized religion allowed the growth of political Islam in the West?

Simple answer No! However, if the Church had any real influence as some would hope. It could have used that influence to stop an Islamic uprising. It still is the wealthiest organization in the world.

Organized religion led to modern identity politics?

Kinda, but No! Modern day politics are a mess, it gives an equal voice to those with unequal stature. Should you have a say in where taxes are spent, if you don't pay any? Should the collective matter more than the individual? Does the 51% tell the other 49% to suck it? If you have 100 people and 51 don't pay taxes, do they get to decide where the taxes are spent? Do you turn the other cheek or love thy neighbor all the while they rape and pillage your neighborhood? So without organized religion holding us back, would we have just stomped out their guts?

It was the decline of organized religion that allowed these things.

Again Yes andNo!

Organized religion was created to control people. Do you think society would be this far along if you had marrauding groups raping and pillaging, not valuing life outside of your own tribe?

As society has settled into this rut, those that would normally STFU (in prior ages)for fear of having your head cutoff now not only feel their opinion matters, they feel compelled to share it all the while forcing others to accept it...

So IMHO yes, organized religion has as it has lost influence has given way to the rise of feminism amongst other problems. It shoulda never been created, thus it wouldn't have become obsolete and led us down the path. You can't fart in an elevator full of people and jump out the door and not expect future ramifications.....

1 upvotesIIlllIllIIIllIl3 years ago

Do you have a link to the video of Milo being introduced as "the red pill right?" I've looked and would love to see it.

1 upvotesgoldaxis3 years ago

Oh boy, do I have a lot to say on this. See you on the other sub!

1 upvotesTWYW3 years ago

It would be nice to have it in the sidebar as the other TRP sub-subreddits, to have a quick link.

1 upvotesthisornothing3 years ago

If it keeps the discussion separate, I'm all for it. I'm wary to ever label myself as left or right (personally, it all just seems like petty tribalism to me - I'm interested in policies not politics) and the overlap between TRP and pro-Trump rhetoric has made this sub a lot less useful to me.

If we can keep both discussions, without silencing either, it can only be a good thing.

1 upvotesTheJudge20173 years ago

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What is this?

1 upvotesFormlessAllness3 years ago

It would be nice to start a new subreddit

1 upvotesrandathrowaway12112 years ago

How do you define your tribe? plenty of third,fourth,fifth gen immigrants in America who're completely immersed in its culture and know no other, plenty of first gen immigrants too who've completely assimilated in.

1 upvotesI_dont_understandit2 years ago

I suggested you tell people who agree with you to be less emotional. If you already do that, you could have just said so 2 days ago.

1 upvotesMAGA_God-Emperor2 years ago

New here. Sent by a good friend for help in understanding the current dichotomy of the sexual world we now live in. I like the idea of having a deeper evaluation of the philosophy behind many of the current policies being taken by both the right and left. Where I disagree is with your desire to personalize the phrase "the red pill". Granted this sub has had its name for what appears several years, but is nowhere near the progenitor of the term. I personally have used the term red pill for close to a decade ever since writing a thesis paper for school on the matrix. Just because someone uses the term outside of speaking of this sub does not mean they came to use the term from this sub. The world is much to large to claim ownership of a term you didn't even create.

3 upvotesredpillschool [OP]2 years ago

Of course we didn't create the red pill metaphor. Read the sidebar, kid.

I will point out, we started using the term, Oct 2012. It has since gotten very popular. I'm not saying we're awesome, but we're awesome.

1 upvotesWadsworth212 years ago

Awesome, I have been looking for a place to discuss what trump is doing that isn't just hysterical nonsense of how he is the next hitler. I would like to understand what he is doing and his motives behind things he is doing as president

1 upvotesAppomattoxx2 years ago

I'm a liberal Democrat, and still like RP. I admit, I've been questioning the recent incarnation of "progressive", politics, but it's because it's become so consumed with identity politics and tribalism; not because of Red Pill.
Identity politics drives me insane. You have to bend your mind into a pretzel, or give on thinking altogether, to embrace it.

1 upvotestofu8892 years ago

Good post. Regarding globalism, I think it is useful to think of it more as American economic imperialism.

Globalism in reality serves American interests primarily, and in that sense is really American nationalism to those with a trained eye that can read between the lines.

There is a reason things like TPP used the preferences of US industry as its framework.

I am all for the ultimate strength of America, but the brand of protectionism that the right promotes today does nothing to that end and is simple minded populism mistaken by many as nationalism.

1 upvotesiamanenemy2 years ago

Okay. I've read enough. I'm super apolitical. Politics are a distraction to self improvement and evolution. Neither side is consistent and it's not the smartest nor strongest who survive, but the ones who are most able to adapt.

It's that simple. Call me Switzerland I guess.

1 upvotesElodrian2 years ago

Can I assume that your Red-Pill Right will advocate the same sort of civic-nationalist/libertarian positions that Milo himself advocates?

1 upvotesstarkmatic2 years ago

I was here in 2012 with about25k users. Glad to have been part of the movement that essentially changed American politics. Who would have thought it would happen so fast, none of us fucks that weee here in 2012 did. Good luck all

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I will enjoy participating in this new sub, I think u/GayLubeOil has already identified some significant issues the new sub will face. It will not be long before we start seeing rants against globalism, jews, and some crazy level rants from u/NeoreactionSafe about conspiracy theories, aliens and brainwashing. Then more level headed people will call it out, others will amplify, we get to hear everyone's pet theories about why the world is so fucked up. I think the new sub will be a bit of a bear pit because not everyone on TRP is necessarily alt/right. Even among people who identify as alt/right there is a broad spectrum of political ideas. So this will be interesting and fun but I anticipate a lot of controversial posts, a lot of arguments, and then a fairly quick exodus of those people who are not into conspiracy theories because the majority will shout them down. Let's see how it goes. Either way RPS, your decision to own the title before someone else took it is shrewd.

3 upvotesNeoreactionSafe3 years ago

Of course in my own view I'm the sane one.

 

  • Truth is stranger than Fiction

 

But in my opinion we gain more by "Killing the Beta" at the root.

Generally the more data points people have the better, but if their core consciousness is limited by a "Postage Stamp Reality" all that data will be so filtered as to not enhance their awareness very much.

To increase human awareness (to wake up or be Red Pill) you need to develop those inner mental flexibility skills.

A rigid man only knows dogma.

 

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Associating the red pill with a political movement must be one of the most bluepilled things I've ever heard.

2 upvotesstawek2 years ago

Why?

Red pill is about unveiling truth. There are so many false axioms, misrepresentations and outright lies in politics that a truth-based movement is genuinely interesting

1 upvotesBattle-Scars3 years ago

Great idea and thank you RPS. Can we do the same for religion too? Any time there is a religious post whether its Muslim, Christian, Hindu, does'nt matter, it just turns into a my God is good, my God is great, my God is better than your God, clusterfuck.

0 upvotesNothingMuchHereToSay3 years ago

MGTOWs need to stop being degenerates.





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