From fat to hulk: 4 big lessons learned

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February 10, 2017
So I've been a reader here for over 4 years. I often see many posts about hitting the gym and why you need to. One thing i never see are pics of the poster who's giving this advice. Rest assured JackDaddy is about to walk you through his journey even from the embarrassing stage. While I don't doubt that the OP's in other posts are in shape, back then actually seeing what they look like would've pushed me a lot sooner to get in shape. I think its essential for helping new readers understand why the gym is essential in the red pill and life in general. So I'll take you on my journey and at the end I'll provide you with the 4 biggest take aways I personally have. If mods want me to verify that said pictures are indeed me all they need to do is ask.
August of 2012 I was in terrible shape. Believe it or not I took that selfie to send to a chick I was trying to fuck, never heard from her after either. Just what I needed as I was starting college at 18. After a few months on campus, while I was known for being funny, the only chicks I could pull were fat bitches. I came from a well off family so naturally I used my money (well .. my parents money) to get chicks to fuck around with me. It was a sad lifestyle. Going to parties uninvited most of the time just to be unnoticed by everyone and spectate guys that were in shape get all the action. It really hurt my confidence and I got really down about it. I stayed like that for my whole freshman year of college.
Come sophomore year after reaching around 290lbs I had enough. I got on the keto diet for around 2 months and lost an initial 40. I love food so I went back to eating what I wanted and decided I would run 2 miles on the campus track twice a week, and work out 3 days a week. The biggest problem I faced with working out was getting myself to go, but once there I was in my sanctuary. Eventually it became second nature to make plans around the gym instead of vice versa. Over the course of a few years going hard on and off I dropped down to around 235 pounds and put a serious amount of muscle. No streoids, no creatine, just working out . This is a pic of me around early 2015.
After I graduated I moved back home, I found a great regime, made some body gym bro friends, and eventually I reached hulk status. Here is a picture of me last month (January 2017). NSFW
P.S. If anyone wants my workout plan I have pdf's with visual aides.
Having reached my gym status I want to tell you 4 things that I have personally learned over the last few years.
  1. Being a muscle head is enough to get you laid, it isn't enough to keep girls around. So you can imagine that when I go out, I usually end up meeting a chick, more often than not things escalate, we fuck, and boom new plate right? Wrong. In the early stages while I may have ended up smashing a chick after meeting her the same day, keeping them around took something I hadn't learned yet. You know what really did it? Learning an interesting hobby. If you don't have anything interesting going on then she'll get bored, end of story. I have no performance issues but even that wasn't enough to keep a 8/10+ chick interested. So I took up Muay Thai, I began traveling, I learned how to cook, I took a 2 day bartending class, I found interesting things to do that others would want to be apart of. Having interesting hobbies and being in shape has a psychological effect on chicks that makes them want to be part of your life. Just my opinion after constant trial & error.
  2. You become much more controlling of your emotions/frame. Now a days you really can't tell me shit. And what I mean by that is, if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time. If you're a girl and you shit test me, I dodge that shit like the matrix. "Wow I bet you have so many girls?" "Yes that's why you should feel special I approached you". Your frame becomes damn near impenetrable and it happens completely naturally. The only thing that can really break me down? Someone telling me my code looks like shit at work.
  3. You command respect, without even saying a word. I don't like the term alpha. Never have honestly. I prefer the term leader. When you workout and look like it, congratulations you have put yourself in a category that is shrinking every year. You command respect without even saying a word. People want to be your friend, girls try to get your attention, people laugh at all your jokes, they follow your commands, you become a leader. I take full advantage of this. Girls buy me gifts, random guys want to buy me a drink at the bar, strangers start conversations, without even trying your social life will rise because you command respect and attention.
  4. This one is really just a gym tip. Fucking stretch. STRETCH. STRETCH. You are holding back your gains by not stretching. By not stretching you are restricting your body from its max range of motion. You are not targeting every part of every muscle you could be. Imagine 2 guys with the same height and weight. They do the same exercises as each other for 6 months straight. Guy 1 stretches 4 times a week and guy 2 never does. By month 3, Guy 1 is able to achieve a full 3 inches more on his squat than guy 2, who's going to have better results? Not only are you helping your muscles longevity but you feel amazing after 2 months of consistent stretching. You also help prevent many injuries as you get into heavier weight. During my journey I caught a nasty Charlie horse in my hamstring with about 350 lbs on the squat rack. Luckily I had 2 people standing close by as I collapsed to the ground. Seriously guys stretch it out and drink more water too while you're at it.
Tldr: was fat, now big. Learned being muscular doesn't keep girls interested, having muscles makes frame stronger, muscles command respect, stretch before lifting.
Getting a lot of PM's about the workout plan and meal plan. Copy paste of comment I made:
Shoutout to @Juggerknot99. Check him out on instagram. Good friend of mine is responsible for this workout plan.
Meal plan, I gotta be honest I eat what I want. I'm not into candy and sweets but I will fuck up a burger and some fries. The only thing I really pay attention to is my carb intake. If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.
Not really helpful I know but I got you!
A friend of mine who personal trains made my brother a very in depth meal plan awhile ago, I know it can be beneficial to many. Here's a drop box link. My brothers goal was to bulk as cleanly as possible starting from around 165. He's about 195 now and rock solid.
Good luck make me proud.
Edit 2: as far as stretching I do not do anything special. Here is a video I recommend

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Title From fat to hulk: 4 big lessons learned
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Date 10 February 2017 06:59 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]BlackJ187 points88 points  (23 children) | Copy

Your situation mirrors mine almost exactly.

Fat as fuck 5'11, 205 all the way until my freshmen year in college where I said fuck it, I've had enough. Keto + IF + Stronglifts 5x5 = Massive weight loss and muscle gain.

One of the biggest lessons I've learned is that if you don't respect yourself, people wont respect you. This also applies to your body. Once I started caring for my body people started treating me a lot better, women didn't think I was invisible anymore, I got more looks/compliments, and I overall had better self-esteem.

[–]A_sexy_black_man52 points53 points  (21 children) | Copy

Once I started caring for my body people started treating me a lot better, women didn't think I was invisible anymore

Very true. It's nice to be on the other side where a chick tries so hard to get your attention and you completely dismiss her. They really really hate that.

Anyway keto diet is a great thing for anyone who wants to lose some serious weight. It isn't easy at first but stick with it and you'll lose it fast, combine it with cardio and it falls off.

Congrats on your success.

[–]guifawkes23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

I felt like shit for the first 17 days when I started keto. I would bend over to tie my shoes, stand up and get so light headed I had to grab something so I didn't fall. I went cold turkey from high carb diet to under 20 grams of carbs per day though. After those 17 days, I started to feel better and better. Slept like a ROCK every night and my symptoms of ADD disappeared. I tell people to cut out added sugar and ALL bread first for like 2 weeks and only get carbs from fruit, rice, and sweet potatoes. Then after two weeks begin to take your carbs down to under 20 grams and ride that out til you're at your target body fat. Hardest thing for me and most people who switch to this diet is getting ENOUGH fat so you're not starving all the time. Bullet-proof coffees, lemon "fat bombs", avocados, and walnuts are great for on the go. You can also add bacon fat and grass-fed butter to soups and stews to fill up. Lots of high fiber vegetables help keep you full. Also don't expect to poop as much as you did before.

[–]p3n1x30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

To expand the comment.

Sugar is the MOST powerful control drug. Think of it like a chicks 'meta frame'.

-Want to look better? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to feel better? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to be more intelligent? Fuck Sugar.

-Want to be less depressed? Fuck Sugar.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely. It was hard to stop eating sweets and other types of take out food which have high amounts of sugar in them, but well worth it.

I used to be a big soda drinker and felt bad, was moody, had upset stomach a lot, and yellow teeth. No more! Now I can no longer really stand to eat/drink super-sweet things after adusting back to a "normal" (healthy) state.

[–]reptile4202 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Keto works awesome. I follow this version to not lose muscle while doing it.

What other supps did you take? Any SARM's or cycles? clen?

[–]xRedStaRx-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Keto is a fucking waste of time. You need carbs. Read some studies.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

How do you eat a ketogenic diet? They say less than 25g of carbs a day. It seems impossible how tf do I get like so many cal just from fat? What the hell do I eat? Plz explain OP I'm trying to do ketogenic but can't get myself to do it.

[–]CapNCookM82 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Currently in the process (bout 2 months in). 6'1", was 250 lbs down to 215ish. I eat an obscene amount of eggs. Breakfast? Egg on toast, apple. Throughout the day, nuts.

  1. Just get used to being hungry. Don't starve, but when you start to feel hungry, make yourself busy and ignore it for an hour or two. You get used to it.
  2. My biggest addiction are Arizonas. I wish I was one of those guys who don't crave it anymore, and despite stopping cold turkey, I STILL fucking want one. I still crave Tbell, half off appetizers, sweets, you name it. But you know what's better than a Sweet Tea? Losing weight and all the benefits along with it. Even without hulking, I've noticed the benefits OP mentioned (albeit to a lesser extent I'm sure), namely not taking shit anymore.

Keto is the easiest most effective diet for me. It works because you know what you can and cannot have, no grey area. Stick with it, and you won't be sorry.

[–]Eckus points points [recovered] | Copy

Don't waste others' time plotting your plan of inaction. There is infinite material to teach yourself on this diet.

[–]theONE843663[🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know there is but I'd rather hear it from someone who has done it. My diet is fine rn I do paleo. I'm just trying to lean out I only need to lose like 10lbs. But can't seem to get rid of it no matter what. I do HIIT on my off days still nothing.

[–]ActivasXo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

exactly the same as you, 5"11 210, 18 years old, and i'm still in the process of transforming. posts like these just fuel me to go harder

[–]Kalidane27 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy

Sweet bro.

Number four is practically top secret. After newb phase it matters a ton for recovery and injury prevention.

Most people only care after months out due to injury. Making it part of the routine before touring Snap City is the good idea people don't want to implement.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

I kept getting small muscle pulls in the legs and back when working out. I knew it was due to never stretching. I started doing yoga and I haven't hurt myself once. Stretch people.

[–]dingman585 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yoga is the shit. Vinyasa particularly. Sometimes called Power yoga. Great for your body and mind, not to mention 75% or more of the attendees are babes.

[–]Hjalmbere2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds good, ever pull any chicks in yoga class?

[–]dirtysanch points points [recovered] | Copy

Starting 5x5. My hammies are problematic, Any particular yoga routines you would recommend?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know why you were downvoted.

Anyway, any kind of beginning yoga will work wonders. Beginning yoga has a massive emphasis on your posterior chain, hips, hip flexors, glutes, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

the video posted by pootzen is a fine starting point. i starting going to the classes offered at my gym. did a couple of the gentle yoga sessions to ease my way in and have been doing regular yoga since. The intensity/difficulty will vary by the instructor although none are overwhelmingly hard if you workout regularly. one instructor at my gym like to sync several poses in a row and repeats it multiple times. you'll have to catch your breathe after doing those.

[–]kidwithambition66 points67 points  (7 children) | Copy

The NSFW picture is not you..

Sorry to end the validation train, but in reality you're still a loser.

[–]throwaway-chemist13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Top kek. OP is faggot confirmed

[–]Schhwing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

confirmed faggot liar, pussy attention seeking validation whore.

[–]fafaedras points points [recovered] | Copy

you can't go from this:

to the above. Different eyebrows, lips, nose. Lmao, me and everyone else just got played

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

lol I believed it too. I just don't get why people would lie about this shit. OP faggot confirmed.

[–]slay_it_forward5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

No one goes from androgynous saggy bitch tits to pro bodybuilder without serious gear. His skin would be fucked too but there's no evidence of stretch marks in his 2017 photo.

Weird faggot confirmed indeed.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn this really needs higher upvotes. Good catch.

[–]Schhwing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good find. I had a gut feeling this was bogus, at least was going to say "roids". I suppose internet skepticism is always valid.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (36 children) | Copy

Why is creatine in the same category as steroids?

For anyone lifting or new to lifting, use creatine. It won't hurt to not use it, but creatine is just a supplement to give your muscles more energy and it cannot hurt you. Your muscles already produce and use creatine anyway. That's stuff you learn in bio class in HS or college.

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered] | Copy

Your muscles already produce and use creatine anyway.

Your balls produce steroids, also.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy

A steroid is a hormone. Creatine is used to produce ATP which is an extremely energy rich phosphate binding.

Hormones are signals. Creatine, just like protein, carbs, fats and all micronutrients are just building blocks and can't be comparerd.

[–]marplaneit8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

phospho-creatine is used to sintetize ATP*


Gosh learn from a biochem book instead of fucking blogs.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never said that creatine was a macro. I said it was building block for the body to use unlike a hormone.

[–]bigmfkr3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

A steroid is an organic chemical with four specifically arranged carbon rings in its structure. While many steroids are hormones, many more are not. E.g. cholesterol.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It was pretty obvious that we were talking about testosterone.

[–]bigmfkr-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No it wasn't. Especially given the extremely low level of awareness about steroids among general and even Reddit population.

[–]simple_mech2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They're using the term loosely but steroid in this sense means anabolic steroid.

[–]OlanValesco9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Anyone wondering why it helps should read up on the Phosphocreatine function. It's the process that gets energy to your muscles extremely fast (2-7 seconds). Glycolysis is next at around 10 seconds to 2 minutes, using carbs (glucose) as the energy source. After that is I can't remember what, but it's a slower process and uses fats as the energy source.

The reason why you want the fast acting energy delivery systems is because you're tying to stress your fast twitch fibers, which are the ones that hypertrophy (grow). You're of course doing that by moving a ton of weight as quickly as possible. Your slow twitch fibers don't really hypertrophy, and they're a lot more likely to use the slow, fat-based energy delivery methods. Primarily stressing those isn't bad, it just isn't going to help you bulk (think long distance runners vs sprinters).

tl;dr So all creatine really does that you care about is gives you more fuel for the fast-acting phosphocreatine function, thereby allowing you to stress your hypertrophy-disposed fast twitch fibers a bit more.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Creatine is also cheap as fuck. Seriously. I have been using creatine since 2012 or 2013 and I recommend everyone get it. You get creatine in red meat, but have to eat a fuck ton to get 5 grams.

Creatine is good for everyone whether you are looking to get stronger, lose weight or any other physical goal. It's apparently better for brain function as well.

You can find 1000g of creapure creatine, which is the high quality stuff for around $20-25 and that is 200 SERVINGS, so if you use the recommended 5 grams everyday, it will last you a little over 6 months, which is about 3-4 dollars a month to look better.

[–]sulfate4 points points [recovered] | Copy

What happens when you stop taking it? Lose muscle?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You don't really lose muscle, but you might lose some strength. The gains are worth it and no reason to cycle off of it. Honestly, try it out and see if you like it. On a per serving basis, creatine monohydrate is way cheaper than whey protein or other supplements.

Here is the link to one that I have been using. Just an FYI, this one doesn't come with a scoop, so it's just a teaspoon, like it says on the side. It's only $20 and for 5g a day, lasts over half a year:

There are also smaller sizes on other sites or stores if you don't want to buy as much, but $20 isn't much to lose. It is the one supplement I recommend everyone get. Yes, whey protein is great and I take it, but you get protein through diet. It's WAY harder to eat the amount of red meat everyday necessary for 5 or 10 grams. Make sure you hydrate of course and you won't notice results right away, because it takes time for your muscles to be saturated with creatine.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws14 points15 points  (12 children) | Copy

it cannot hurt you

Creatine (monohydrate) can hurt you.
1) It's a heavy load on your kidneys.
2) If you dont drink enough water, you'll fatigue faster and may experience muscle atrophy. And you need to drink a fucking SHIT TON of water if you're on monohydrate.

[–]nolonger3418 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck trying to stay away from water when taking creatine...

[–]adam_varg points points [recovered] | Copy

  1. It isnt.

  2. Dehydration will fuck you up without creatine too. If you cant control your hydration levels while supplementing you arent able to do so without supps anyway.

[–]nomansapenguin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I should go drink some water...

[–]slay_it_forward4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've heard about potential kidney damage too but is it from long term use at heavy dosages?

[–]CamSandwich13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]adam_varg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are healthy no chance.

[–]b33k3rz points points [recovered] | Copy

Guess you shouldn't eat protein either. Gotta take it easy on the kidneys.

lmfao what a joke

[–]elruary12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's almost like some things are harder on kidneys than other things...

Chill he has a point.

[–]Paranoidexboyfriend6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yet the same people who say "stay away from creatine" are also probably drinking alcohol on a regular basis. That's like hippies who say "stay away from gmos" then eat a bunch of Molly every weekend

[–]Swallowed_the_pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Creatine also lets your muscles store more water which is anabolic in itself.

[–]southernmost1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Creatine CAN hurt you, but if you start small and increase your dosage incrementally, you will most likely be fine. Definitely increase your water intake, and remember that creatine and heavy drinking (or anything that seriously dehydrates you, really) don't mix.

Do not start straight out on the ridiculous megadose the dofus at GNC will try to sell you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah, I have learned that the "loading phase" of 20 grams for 5 days is ridiculous and unnecessary on your body. In the long run, just do 5 grams of creatine everyday and it's not necessary to cycle off.

If you do want to saturate muscles fast, then do 10 grams for 10 days initially, with 5 grams taken at two different times during the day.

With regards to GNC, I cringe when people buy their wheybolic protein. That stuff is so overpriced, it's ridiculous. Way cheaper whey proteins out there at good prices.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


Creatine can't hurt you. Your body already makes it. And you just need about 5g a day, of course the goon at GNC it going to oversell you.

[–]reigorius44 points45 points  (24 children) | Copy

The one thing about dad bods is once the fat is stripped away, there is an underlying muscled dude just waiting there. I really appreciate your effort and it commands respect. But for the skinny ones out there, it's a different story to get to the same level.

[–]LightningMcBiceps17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

[–]p3n1x23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

it's a different story to get to the same level.


Hard work is hard work. If you mentally make your situation "special", you won't get anywhere.

There are Keto diets for packing on mass via surplus calories.

[–]reigorius2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're partly right. But the starting scenario's are undeniable different and the losing fat is easier than gaining muscle mass. Hard work is still hard work in gaining muscles, I'm the last to deny that. But don't confuse the different body types you're born with.

[–]p3n1x-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

But don't confuse the different body types

Swallow your own advice. You are assuming all "fat" people have big hidden muscles. Many do not.

If you eat right and work out correctly, you will look healthy, period. Which is the core message and is what women are attracted to.

I was and still disagree with your position of "male hamstering" that you started with, no matter how you try to rationalize your opening comment.

[–]WinterlsCumming8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy

I agree with you. I'm about 6'1" and have been skinny most of my life so far (in currently 22). I started working out last year and improvements have been slow, but I am starting to see results now. The thing I suffer from the most is that I've got "chicken legs" from my dad and naturally being skinny lol

[–]Slut_Slayer90003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah most guys who grew up fat typically have huge legs/ calves just do to their leg muscles having to work that much harder to support more weight overtime vs guys who grew up skinny/skinny fat and just started lifting. Its gonna be a lot more challenging for you to put more muscle on your legs.

[–]slay_it_forward6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I have skinny calves. Fucking impossible to make them grow. No androgen receptors. Also you probably have a small frame. You can tell by ankle and wrist size.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Absolutely. When we small framed dudes get fat it looks awful. At 5'9" & 152#'s I'm muscular enough to have a seat at the table....I just own being the wiry strong guy, and it works with my hobbies anyway. At 190#'s of fat, everything hurt, especially being looked at.

[–]gerannu2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What if you have a large frame i.e. really broad shoulder's, but you have small wrists and ankles, is that just a quirk of genetics?

[–]I_dontevenlift1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i think this is what happened to me... Large clavicle bones but tiny wrists :/ im 6 4 tho

[–]slay_it_forward0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Throw on some heeled boots and run giant game

[–]DoubleT06 points points [recovered] | Copy

Have you tried any protein powder weight gainers?

[–]WinterlsCumming0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Late response. Yeah I usually take 1.5 scoops of protein after every workout. my legs are getting a little bit better, but they are definitely the slowest to improve

[–]DoubleT06 points points [recovered] | Copy

Is it normal PP or weight gainer PP? Mine is 1250 calories

[–]WinterlsCumming0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, I've been using normal

[–]Trump_Reddits3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

Same but girls don't care about that.

[–]Bochichon2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

The bigger you get the more they crack about it.

[–]Trump_Reddits6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is true, I meant in terms of actually getting with women though, it doesn't matter. I agree though, I was jacked in college and I always got shit for it but it's easy to brush of when you know they like it.

[–]Bochichon5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, you're right. That's why your state of mind is important to always keep up with the new reality otherwise you may end up big af but the first joke on chicken legs or whatever can send you sobbing to the gym smashing your calves like they owed you rent.

[–]Trump_Reddits3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Completely agree with you brotha. State of mind (frame) is paramount.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its not about the calves specifically but its about the shape of your frame, having calves gives your physique and overall better more proportional look.

[–]OmegaMan20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One of the insulting things girls talk about is that guy with "chicken legs" who tried to pick them up. Inadvertently heard my daughter trash this guy to her girl friends.

[–]NibblyPig9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Excellent post, thank you. Stuff like this motivates me more than anything.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Used to be in the same boat, but saw another poster realise that OP lied about his final pic lol. This is the original pic that he stole:

[–]MrAnderzon16 points17 points  (66 children) | Copy

I would want to know your workout plan. But mostly what your diet is.

[–]A_sexy_black_man40 points41 points  (17 children) | Copy

Imgur uploaded the pics in reverse order, workout starts at bottom of each link.

Leg Day

Shoulder Day

Chest Day

Arm Day

Back Day

Meal plan, I gotta be honest I eat what I want. I'm not into candy and sweets but I will fuck up a burger and some fries. The only thing I really pay attention to is my carb intake. If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.

Not really helpful I know but I got you!

A friend of mine who personal trains made my brother a very in depth meal plan awhile ago, I know it can be beneficial to many. Here's a drop box link. My brothers goal was to bulk as cleanly as possible starting from around 165. He's about 195 now and rock solid.

Good luck make me proud.

[–]Paraknight points points [recovered] | Copy

Jesus, how long do you spend at the gym? I only go about three times a week and definitely don't have the time to do all that. What would you say are the most important? I see some things in there that seem to target the same groups in slightly different ways.

[–]purduered6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

Life is about managing your time via trade offs in your decision making. When you say you don't have the time, that means you value something else more in those other 4 days. Everyone has different goals, but if you want to see get as big as op, 3 days in the gym are never going to cut it.

[–]PurpleTurtle12-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

I disagree, look at Martin Berkhan from Leangains. Three to four days a week is plenty as long as you focus on compound lifts like squats, deadlifts, chin-ups, bench.

[–]purduered0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I cannot speak for Martin, but he is the exception and not the norm. Majority of the biggest dudes are all huge because lifting is essentially their biggest priority. 5-6 days is the norm and for most it's 1.5+ hours lifting

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Martin Berkhan from Leangains

Once again exception to the rule, you can't look at someone and be like "look at that guy that's all he did and he got X." The truth is you don't know, you don't know how long he has lifted, you don't know his workout schedule, or exactly what he eats ect. There are a ton of variables at hand. If you can't spend 30minutes to an hour a day 4-6 days a week at the gym then you probably need to really re think what you're spending your time on. Its not really hard to ask yourself to devote 1 out of every 24 hours to physical fitness and health.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

martin has client testimonials on his website. I suggest anyone interested in lifting and not spending more than 4 hours a week in gym read his seminal piece


[–]MrAnderzon7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saved. these almost all the same exercises in do.

[–]innominating2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I assume you lift 5 days a week. On average, how long are you at the gym?

[–]harsha_hs7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

If I know I'm not going to lift within a few hours after eating a lot of those, I won't eat them.

Fantastic, checks out science. Eat carbs only when you need energy instantly.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is wrong. As long as your muscle glycogen levels are not full, most of it will be stored as muscle glycogen before being stored in fat cells. It's not like your body is going to take glycogen from muscles and store it as fat. It does that if your muscle glycogen levels are already full and you eat carbs, just like pooring water into a full glass

[–]Kalidane3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. People would benefit by understanding that muscles serve as important energy stores. No harm in topping them up.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yes but IF you're on a cut which is what OP and most people are probably more concerned about, if you don't eat enough carbs to fuel your body (depending on the amount of your deficit) you don't want your body burning muscle for energy.

And to concern your original comment yes its true but that's only if your lifting and giving your body a reason to store it as muscle, if you are not lifting and using those muscles your body is not gonna store it there it will just be stored as fat for energy to be used later on. Our bodies have adapted overtime to store fat because it wants to horde as much fat (fuel) as possible incase it needs it in times of famine as a fail safe. You need to give your body a reason to feed your muscles, otherwise its just gonna do the bare minimum to maintain so it can store as much fat as possible.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you are on a cut your main concern is eating less calories than you burn, not whetever you are eating your all your carbs 2 hours before training and nothing the rest of the day. I you eat more carbs at one point of the day,you are more likely to overfill your muscle glycogen and store some as fat then later burn that fat because you need more calories than you stored in your muscles for an entire day. If you spread it more out you don't store as much in your fat cells. Yes, you will burn less fat but you are also going to store less, so you fat stored - fat burned is going to be the same.

If you drink 2l of water a day and fill up your glass with 1 dl every 45 minutes while awake your glass won't ever be full. Now if you don't fill up any water in you glass you but still drink the same water you get that water from somewhere else(fat storages). The thing here is that when you try to poor 2l of water in your glass all at once, it's going to overfill and start refilling your storages (fat storages).

It's about how many carbs and calories you eat, not so much about when you eat them. It also takes more than 2-3 hours to refill your glycogen levels,so eating like that is going to affect your workout performance too.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you are on a cut your main concern is eating less calories than you burn

I never didn't imply that at all. That's 100% the most important thing. I'm speaking from personal experience if I don't eat carbs at least 1-2 hours before my workout my workouts are typically shitty as fuck (I work out after work). And a shitty workout means I'm not burning as much calories. So when I'm cutting like I am right now I'll eat 3-4 rice cakes about an hour before I lift and its been all gravy. I don't get that light headed feeling, or out of energy feeling. It works for me. Everything else is pretty negligible as long as your overall calorie deficit is in check and consistent throughout the week.

[–]Scandinavianredpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

while this true the body can make its own glycogen and on top of that you actually do get some carbs in from veggies so you got that to fuel the muscle. I found that to top out the muscles I only need 1 carb day a week after a hard fullbody workout.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a ton of volume. But hey, looks like it worked

[–]Trump_Reddits0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll fuck up a burger and some fries lmao I too have been called a passionate eater.

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[–]TheRedManFromRussia32 points33 points  (24 children) | Copy

Lmao at the downvotes. Op answered that he doesn't even look after his diet and you think he got the body in the last picture without steroids? Delusional people.

[–]Momentum2 points points [recovered] | Copy

To be honest, I don't view using steroids or gear or whatever else someone wants, as long as they are informed about it. I have a couple of friends who do, but we don't bullshit each other.

It's just funny to me that this is still a taboo issue.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

What most of us fitness enthusiast hate is people on gear insisting they're natty and giving people shitty routines and diet plans, which will eventually lead to frustration and quiting lifting because they don't get the results they expected.

[–]Koryphae_2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. And when referring to red pill mindset which should be self-growth, then using steroids to boost your body seems at first glance like hiding behind another thing to get the confidence up. I mean you can achieve perfectly fine body without using any steroids so why overcompensate by getting bigger muscles?

[–]Slut_Slayer9000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Saying everyone who has a slightly above average physique is on steroids isn't a red pill mindset lol. Its blue pill thinking hamstring yourself that its ok to have a mediocre body because you think you couldn't achieve that naturally when you most definitely can. If you worked out a lot like over a year + you'd know that.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

No most fitness enthusiast want the secret easy way to building muscle and want to know exactly what exercises to do ect. The reality is you HAVE to be consistent over time, you won't build noticeable muscle mass in two months or even 1 year if you aren't consistent about lifting and have a shitty diet. People don't get the results they expected because they fuck around for two months and don't make noticeable improvement so they quit. Try doing that for two years and tell me you don't look noticeably better.

[–]Koryphae_2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

and have a shitty diet.

And OP is claiming he is smashing burgers and fries. Stop rationalising his gains.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You can eat a burger here and there. But eating badly for two, three or four meals a week is gonna fuck you up. Eating one burger then restricting your calories for the rest of the day or maybe the next meal or two isn't gonna hurt you. Plus burgers really aren't that bad just themselves, yeah the bread has some useless calories and cheese adds 50-150 calories depending on how much but what fucks you up is the fries. If you eat a shit load of fries and some people even eat cheese and shit on them and then dip them in Ranch, yeah that alone adds an extra 1000 plus calories besides the burger.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

He literally said he only watches his carbs and absolutely nothing else. This would not be true at all on the slight off chance he's natty. Keep rationalizing tho, I dont understand why people who have no investment in roids defend closet roiders

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're obviously taking his words way too much to heart. Its pretty common knowledge that nobody is gonna tell you exactly every single thing they eat, or exactly what they're doing in the gym everyday ,nor does it really matter because everyone's body is different. After enough time of dieting you basically understand bodybuilding is all about manipulating your carb intake. Whether you're bulking or cutting you wanna keep your protein around the same, when you're cutting is more important to really monitor if you're getting enough protein but there is no drastic difference in protein intake when cutting or bulking. Fat's are pretty negligible, most people who are somewhat conscious about their diet don't eat a whole lot of fats anyways unless the love nuts, peanut butter, avocados, olive oil ect. I hardly eat any of that stuff so I literally have to make sure to add in some fats here in there when I'm cutting so my hormones don't get all out of whack. Carbs is where it really matters, most food have carbs when you're bulking you want to eat more carbs, and you really have to eat a lot of carbs to get enough calories in, when cutting its the opposite you have to cut carbs because they're so calorie dense. It's quite obvious you don't really know a whole lot about this stuff, and defintely not enough to know if he is on roids or not. Anyways have a great day.

[–]Carlosc1dbz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Is there an example of a person with a shitty work ethic and diet on steroids? I wanna see what they look like.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No amount of consistency and hard work can match 1 year of roids, period. On tren my roomate went from fat slob to lean and 4/3/1.5 in a year and he ate like shit, hit his protein goal by shakes but food he ate was garbage. To get that natty you need 3-4 years of perfect diet and perfect routine and all that.

But point is no one natty is gonna look like Arnold no matter how long they train perfectly, but when people say you can, and you dont see progress you give up

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The guy doesn't look above average for bodybuilding standards. To the normies like 85% of this subreddit and 98% of reddit, yeah he might look like he is on roids, but to the trained eye and to someone who actually bodybuilds and is into the hobby he isn't on roids. Roids including Tren aren't magic drugs, you gotta put in work to make them work. Yeah Tren does help with a somewhat shitty diet but you cannot eat like a slob on it, as it is it makes you very sluggish combined with a shitty diet would amplify that effect making it near impossible to do lots of things much less workout. You don't need a perfect diet or routine to get OP's physique, you just need to A. stick to A diet over a period of time, and B. lift consistently 4-7 days a week over a period of time. Most people don't, they quit, they want to work hard for two months and look like OP. Even with drugs thats impossible. Then you have guys like yourself peddling that everyone who has a similar physique is on roids to make yourself feel better that no matter how hard you try you couldn't look like him unless you wanted to use somewhat harmful drugs. When you haven't even tried lol, get the fuck out of here.

[–]landon042 points points [recovered] | Copy

was going to comment something about tren lol then I saw this.

Op is 100% on tren. a natty has to count all his shit.

being ops size on tren, he could pack away 4k cals most likely 5k+ getting his protein and fast food. and stay lean.

not discredditing his hard work like the general population that doesn't know shit and thinks steroids are cheating, but damn thought trp was a little smarter, steroids are the norm now.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

100% on tren? Lmao and you know this how? OP doesn't have that grainy, really thick vascular look people who are on Tren generally have. He looks like a guy who's been consistent about the gym and has slightly above average BBC genetics.

[–]slay_it_forward14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's not taboo. No one cares if op is juicing but he lied anyway so he deserves to be called out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Word. Saying you didn't use gear just gives beta-Bill unrealistic expectations. I've been consistently working out for 4 years and my natural maximum isn't anywhere close where OP got in <5 years time.

[–]Slut_Slayer90002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP doesn't even look that jacked. Yeah he's big but by bodybuilding standards and if he was on roids he could look A LOT better. Gym pump plus good lighting can really alter a physique. Nothing in OP's physique says to me, damn that's unachievable natty, at all. Its just your hamster at work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

he's kind of fat in a way, so it's not that hard to get to naturally. if he was big and shredded, then you might be right.

[–]Koryphae_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think he did watch what he was eating when he started, he needed to lose all the fat though. But I think the muscles are not natural either.

Truth be told, I do not understand the steroid usage at all. Seems like a typical overcompensation of something by wanting bigger and bigger muscles. Or the false-belief that bigger body will give higher confidence.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (18 children) | Copy

I bet OPs ass is covered with trackmarks, no one can get that ripped natty, especially with a "just watch carbs" diet and the workout plan he posted.

All that aside tho trenbolone is a helluva drug, lifetime worth of natty gains in under a year, I wish more people knew about it so they dont get fooled by roiders that easily

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

How dangerous is tren though?? Health concerns have always stopped me from using

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

So let me first say that not only tren is the strongest single steroid out there, it is also the most side effect free too. Its literally the perfect steroid and most people dont need to add other stuff unless they wanna achive guerilla mode (which almost all chicks find disgusting anyways)

(note you do need to take testostorne with tren because when you're on tren your body doesnt make testosterone and you'll be extremely lethargic)

Basically it will amplify problems you already have, or are genticallt predisposed to (it is recommended you don't do a cycle until youre 25 so everything hormonal has settled down and all the problems have come out), a shortlist of these problems off the top of my head : male pattern baldness (you'll look like what you were gonna look like in 10 years), genetic heart conditions, high blood pressure due to a condition you have, excessive sweating especially at nights, sleep problems and insomnia, anxiety. If you already have a bad enough case of any of these, tren will make it worse, or if you have anger management issues, you'll experience the famous roid rage, if you already having a hard time getting it up, tren will make it impossible, bad livers from being an alcoholic or something else is also not good. Finally there's another smaller concern that is tren cough. Its when you accidentally shoot it in your blood and not muscle. You'll cough like there's a fist in your lungs and the worst cough of your life will last for 10 minutes. (shooting in in your ass makes the chamces of this happening almost zero, as opposed to shooting in your quads or something)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Thanks a lot for the info, seems like something you would only want to risk if you were making money out of it (athlete, bodybuilder etc) I'll just stick to natural.

[–]shockred5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its when you accidentally shoot it in your blood and not muscle.

You can avoid this by aspirating (pulling back) the syringe after the stab. If it gets blood in the syringe, you're in a blood vessel and should either go deeper or shallower, or stab again. If it gets nothing (vacuum, the syringe goes back "on its own") you're in muscle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its just that there is so much disinformation and misdirection out there in training advice that people think getting a muscular frame of any size means steroids.

[–]DualCamSam-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

Dude hes obviously young and naturally high as fuck test.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

His before picture isn't high test, even if they're super fat naturally high t kids till look high t as fuck.

Also no amount of natural test can keep you that big and that lean at the same time

[–]Slut_Slayer90002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He isn't even that big holy fuck lmaoooooo. The guy literally has above average BBC genetics and worked out consistently. If you're super fat, you won't be "naturally high t." Cause you have more estrogen in your body then a skinnier guy.

[–]DualCamSam-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well we can only specualte but idk. Maybe you underestimate the power of youth + naturally high test levels. Besides it took him about 4 years to acheive this mode. Seems attainable.

[–]The_M0rning_Star-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think that it has a lot to do with body type tbh. My friend is a professional wrestler, and looks like that without steroids. He's got a body type that will allow those kinds of muscles, if he works out hard (he does). A dude with a smaller frame, no. Would probably never achieve that kind of bulk without steroids.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lmao. I wish more people actually were consistent about working out and A. knew that op's physique is really nothing special, B. when you haven't workout out and just start lifting consistently your body builds muscle at a much faster rate (noob gains) then someone who's been working out for a year +. You can hamster yourself all you want that OP is on Tren, but he isn't. Bodybuilding is one of my hobbies and you can easily tell when someone is on Tren, from the pics A. you really can't tell shit and B. you defintely can't see from them that he is on Tren. But saying "no one can get ripped natty" is just a blue pill mindset deluding yourself into think its ok not to even try. OP's physique is most defintely achievable natty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm pretty fit myself, I don't need hamstering, but the number of guys who persued a closet roider's physique and gave up when they found out its impossible is way too high. You gotta be realistic with people, especially when they are inexperienced

[–]Slut_Slayer9000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being fit and building muscle are too different things. You have guys from the fitness subreddit doing Stronglifts 5x5 who think they're "fit" but they're aren't muscular. There is a lot of work involved into building muscle, and its really not that challenging to do so but the challenging part is the time it takes to build a good physique, most people want a quick fix so they go to roids. If you haven't devoted at minimum of two years to a bodybuilding routine I don't wanna hear about how you know someone is on roids or not.

[–]AccountjustforTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Search for Scooby's Meal Planner

[–]CrayonStur6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well done mate! You're a beast. I'm 30 just about to start going to the gym for the first time in my life. Posts like yours inspires me a lot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stay inspired but be realistic. At around 30 we start to change and it becomes harder to make miracle transformations like this. So push yourself, stretch like he says, and watch out for sweets! You can do it!

[–]bourbanog5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy

I've been doing Keto + IF over the last 2 months and had decent results. Started at 6'3 116kg, 2-3 days a week I only eat a small dinner of bacon and eggs and no other calories. Other days I pretty much eat what I want as long as I stay under 50g of carbs. So far I am down to 109kg, not necessarily fast weightloss but losing weight over Christmas, new years and a 2 week holiday is excellent.

I think diet >> exercise for weight loss so I'm just doing some cycling and golf. In a few months once I get under 100kg I'm going to hit the gym again and start building muscle.

Not really a reply to OP but got me thinking about my own diet, and also how I can't be fucked doing 35 sets in the gym every day. I'll probably do something more basic like a 5x5 when I go back.

[–]swiddie points points [recovered] | Copy

Lifting is like investing in the stock market, or planting a tree. If you didn't do it yesterday, the best day to do it is today.

[–]bourbanog2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I agree, however given that I am not really interested in increasing my strength and endurance my purpose would be for building visible muscle. My understanding is that lifting while eating in deficit is beneficial for maintaining strength, endurance and burning calories during and after the workout. It's very difficult to put on muscle mass while in a caloric deficit. Some beginners can however put on muscle while losing weight.

Anyway, yeah excuses excuses. There's lot's of shit that I should be doing but I need to pick my battles to focus my energy on. Fasting/keto is working well and as I progress further I can keep adding more into my routine and taking out bad stuff.

[–]miledd points points [recovered] | Copy

What's 'IF' abbreviation of? Can't find this anywhere haha.

[–]notevenneo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Intermittent fasting. TLDG: only eating within a 4-8 hour period each day. Typically 2-3 large meals

[–]p3n1x-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

You should get Keto test sticks. Attempting the diet AND being low calorie does not mean you are in Ketosis.

2-3 days a week I only eat a small dinner of bacon and eggs and no other calories.

You are mixing in fasting?

Sounds like your diet is all over the map and could equate to the slow loss. Do the diet right and keep your body out of "lizard brain" starvation mode.

The point of Keto is to remove fat from your liver first and then use the fat stored in your body as fuel / exchange for glycogen / and with the proper eating routine the excess fat will melt off.

I think diet >> exercise for weight loss

Psuedo science. Be careful. Being sedentary and then active all of a sudden will destroy your routine and cause your body to freak out and ruin your diet.

Think of it like being "Purple Pilled".

[–]bourbanog0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

To clarify, I am following the 5:2 diet (in general, eating 600 calories only twice a week) first and foremost though it is often 4:3. I follow 'keto' though not for the purpose of being in ketosis but because I think there is too much sugar in everything, and that fatty foods and protein reduce overeating by making you feel full.

I think diet >> exercise for weight loss

Psuedo science. Be careful.

I am only referring to the net calories from different activities. It is relatively effortless for me to eat 600 calories a day, ~2,000 calories under my sedentary metabolism. According to myfitnesspal, I could alternatively run for almost 2 hours to burn that many calories.

Being sedentary and then active all of a sudden will destroy your routine and cause your body to freak out and ruin your diet.

Being fat all the time and then all of a sudden following a diet destroyed my routine, which caused my body to freak out and ruin my sweet fat rolls.

I'm not sedentary, I exercise for my own enjoyment and lose weight via nutrition.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

but because I think there is too much sugar in everything,


I'm not sedentary, I exercise for my own enjoyment

Got it, I was under the impression you weren't doing anything.

[–]TrueFacets15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great Post, great report! Thank You!

You are the perfect example, you show that it is possible to turn yourself around completely!

TRP works and we know that, in our heads at least. For guys who are not confident and/or who have anxiety it is really hard to actually believe that they can change.

Examples like these are proof that, no matter how difficult your situation is, you can change yourself!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Examples like these are proof

No, here is proof that OP is a faggot. Blatantly stole this pic for his 'NSFW' shot and tried to pretend that it was him lmao

[–]Jakei344 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

My reaction from the first to the second picture was literally "No way." Exactly what I said a loud.

The amount of work you put in to get to where you are just demands respect. Keep at it.

[–]Gaia_Knight26002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is fake.

pic is from here:

Its posted in 2015 but you claim its from 2017.

[–]Gwoas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well done, OP ! Your story is really inspiring. You just convinced me I really need to hit the gym, not that I'm fat or anything, but rather for the strong mind that will come with it.

[–]Scandinavianredpill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amazing post mate, amazing transformation. I feel happy for ya!. Reason I think most guys don't want to share pictures of themselves on these sites is because there is a witch hunt on redpill minded guys in society. I wouldn't feel well if somebody found a picture of me posing on a site like this. the average Joe or Garl hate our mindset lige the plague.

[–]xenthios3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man. Big inspiration and I appreciate the breakdown of the pluses of being a muscly dude. I also appreciate that you're a coder, because now I relate even more ;-)

[–]Popular-Culture points points [recovered] | Copy

Good post, but I have a strong suspicion that you take/took tren or some other substance. Nothing wrong with that, but you're misleading lots of people when you say you didn't pay attention to your diet and just watched carbs. You can't achieve your physique naturally while "crushing a burger and fries." It just doesn't work like that.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Upvoted because I completely agree.

I call bullshit on that. You can't eat whatever you want and still maintain a solid physique. It's one thing to cheat every now and then, but going completely care free? Not going to work.

I am in the middle of a slow lean bulk right now and any time I go out of bounds it knocks me off track.

[–]Trucks_N_Chainsaws1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Goddamn, dude. That is fucking work. Good for you.

[–]Bloo4M points points [recovered] | Copy

I would fucking kill to be "fat" and do this.

Being skinny and trying to transform into this is fucking irritating.

Give me a salad and eating better as opposed to "Eat till you wanna puke, feel bloated all the time, then eat some more!"

I can hit the gym every other day, lift as heavy as I can, eat a nutritious 3 meals a day...but still cant push myself to ram food down my throat and feel my body just wanna puke it back up..

[–]mexicanbeast0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should treat eating food as getting stronger. You start each week eating a little more than the previous. This way you wont feel like you want to puke and in a few weeks/months, youll be eating a ton without even blinking an eye. Watch vídeos of stan efferding on youtube. He talks about this very well

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Add milk to your diet. A gallon has 2500 calories, ~80 grams of protein. Drink atleast half a gallon a day and you'll see the gains.

Easiest way to add calories is to drink them.

[–]PissedPajamas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yo mad props on the transformation, but how did you handle all that volume per session?? How long were your workouts? I'm cutting rn and after 45 min and 8 exercises at 4x10 I'm smoked

P.S. Im not doubting your gains but if you seriously rode the bike let us know, you don't wanna give false hope to people in this thread. Either way you did something amazing with your body and if that's what steroids do I'm sold on starting a cycle

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jealous but also respect. Good for you mate, every time I see a fat dude I think there's a hulk underneath all of that if he just had the pills to follow through.

[–]LidlKwark0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sickening gains bro. Solid post. Still need to implement stretching in my daily routine.

[–]billsmashole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd like to add to the stretching tip and say that it's also a good idea to get massages and go see a chiropractor. Lifting can be hard on your body.

[–]Pot930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Impressive progress, you should be proud.

What stretching routine are you doing currently?

[–]IliketoeatAMA0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Man. I've been going to the gym for ages now, i think you should note everyone that chicks don't magically start to fuck you just because you go to the gym or look like it. I look good, but i get no game at all. It's how you present yourself as well.

[–]Papahoff250 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Hey I don't see a lot of sources on stretching here , have any of the regimens you go through? Or is it just pre workout stretch?

[–]p3n1x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Google Dynamic vs. Static stretching. Build your own routine. You are the only one that knows what body parts are strong/weak and what parts feel good/hurt.

[–]Futon_Rasenshuriken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds a bit like myself last year. 255 to 220. Unfortunately I messed up and gained my weight back. Now I'm picking myself back up. At least this time, I know exactly what to do.

[–]Chahhhles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

As a fellow black dude who codes who also follows the ways of Brodin, I salute you sir!

I'll have to admit that this is exactly how this plays out. Currently I'm 190 with a 675lb deadlift, and because of that, I run into people all of the time when I'm out who want to buy me drinks and whatnot. It's insane, and I almost feel bad accepting them.

Currently I'm going monk mode due to visceral rage talking to women on a sexual level. I can't bring myself to escalate much past the light-hearted flirt because I often find myself disgusted by them, though I'm physically attracted to the cheeks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn bro. Massive gains - big props!!

[–]Idunnowhy20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome job!

I'm less interested in your workout plan than how hard you pushed yourself doing that plan. Did you go to failure? Were you worn out after each workout?

[–]carolinageorgee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is it more efficent to work out like this? Or the strong lifts compound exc?

[–]econdweeb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great success story. Plus seems like your humble about it as well.

[–]justifier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I prefer the term leader. When you workout and look like it, congratulations you have put yourself in a category that is shrinking every year. You command respect without even saying a word.

Spot on with my recent experience of getting back into shape post knee-op. Moved in with two long time buddies, one lifted semi regularly, one not at all. I transgressed my rehab program into being able to lift again regularly. As I began to see results and started to re-mold my body from the flaccid heap it had become due to muscular atrophy, they too wanted in on what I was doing.

Both of them now lift with me regularly, I go about 6 times a week and at least one of them if not both join depending on our schedules. I went from a soft 200 lbs to a solid 222 in a little over 4 months and the social results resound in tune with OP. My roommates look up to me for guidance on diet, fitness, relationship advice, and work advice. I get looks from women that I wouldn't have before and even have some approach me. Currently I am spinning 2 plates and talking to a 3rd potential. Prior to getting back into lifting hard I had zero.

The proof is in the pudding. You lift, you gain muscle, you gain confidence, improve frame, and attract women, friends, and respect!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post. I'll have the give the point about stretching some thought, too.

"if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time"

LOL this is true - I no longer am bothered by petty men or cunt women very much any more. It's like you begin to think differently and understand things in life as your values & priorities have changed. It really makes it easy to differentiate between other men you should give your time & attention to and those who want to drain you of your positive feelings - and they fail, because you're on another level.

[–]Tengu_The_Kenku0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Commenting here so I can reference the workout plan.

You have a great mindset by the way. Great TRP post.

[–]Comeandseemeforonce0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'd recommend doing a very light weight high rep set for the exercise you're supposed to do instead of stretching. "Warming up" your muscles should not be stretching, if you do want to strength do it after the light weight set. This way you won't risk pulling a muscle.

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I have wanting to include stretching in my workouts but I don't know any proper routine! Do you know of any good routine to include with calisthenics? Thanks

[–]BusterVadge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's an impressive transformation. I've just the opposite, I've always been skinny, and trying to pack on muscle. I've been working out for about 8 or 9 months now and seeing some great results.

[–]dodiat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What a brilliant transformation. Goes to show anyone can become a beast when they put the work in.

[–]Dio_Brando_Joestar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you don't eat carbs a few hours before lifting or after?

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Now a days you really can't tell me shit. And what I mean by that is, if you're a guy and you throw some shade at me, I brush that shit off like Jay Z, I'll laugh it off every time.

I talk shit to people as a way to break the ice. Nothing to serious or mean; think back handed compliments and what not. I've noticed that people in the gym or men with their shit together are much more perceptive to friendly jabs that ripple in other settings.

[–]johnVanDijk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is absolutely amazing OP! Thanks a lot for sharing. I am a fat guy at the moment but have recently lost 12 pounds in a couple of months by hitting the gym and trying ti eat healthy. Could you help out a bit by sharing what you did in the initial stages of your journey? How quick was your progress, how you kept yourself motivated and what your diet looked like? Did your motivation improve when you started getting some results? When you were in a bad patch, if ever, how did you bounce back?

[–]tempjewman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Congrats, always awesome to see another brotha making progress.

I've been on a cut for a while now. Similar situation as you. I grew up being pretty fat. Since getting my fitness on track, I lost a lot of weight. My overall plan was to cut until I have defined abs and no gut. Then develop a solid bulk/cut routine.

I'm getting close but have some fat leftover. Guessing 10 pounds will finish it. Currently sitting at 5'9/150. It is a bit frustrating to not make significant muscle gains. I lift 4 times/week with 2 days of 5k runs, and each day usually 2-3k runs.

When did you make the transition between stopping the cut and beginning to bulk? Any tips on getting rid of the last bits of fat? For me, it's on the hips and lower abs.

[–]slurmfactory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Amazing post. I started taking L-Carnetine a few months ago, and have gotten a good bit stronger.

I also started switching up my workouts and doing max repx1, 10 sec rest, maxrepx1 and just sitting on it and its an insane workout.

Awesome post tho man, got me hyped to keep growing and doing it right, working my ass off.

[–]Docbear640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good Shit . I have recently entered my own personal monk mode to focus on hopefully achieving similar results to you . I just took up boxing classes, bought a small quiet personal punching bag I use for some good cardio exercises at home and have re-committed to Keto .

This is super motivational . Hoping to have a similar story as yours to share soon .

[–]rubenbrasil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Love this.

However something stood out to me. You said hobbies will make a bitch stick around. I disagree. Hobbies are important but not vital to attraction. As long as one has high SMV and fucks them dominantly and rough, she will keep coming back.

She doesnt need to know where you work, what you do on your spare time, she doesnt need to even hang out with you outside your bedroom. Just need high SMV and a rough fuck. Assuming this is a plate/FWB relationship and all both parties do is text each other for a booty call, fuck, then depart ways.

So when that HB8 left you after the first time, it wasnt because of your lack of hobby. It was because she saw you as replaceable via SMV/fuck game. Sorry that may sound harsh, but its just the sidebar shit we read on TRP. We understand a bitch will fuck a guy she absolutely hates and has nothing in common with given he has a higher SMV and fucks and treats her like a ragdoll

Edit: You may be a higher SMV now then when it happened, so this may no longer be the case

[–]saultodamascus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great post and thanks for providing the motivation to other members, but I always have to speak up when there's disinformation.

This one is really just a gym tip. Fucking stretch. STRETCH. STRETCH.

This is requires clarification. Static stretching (touch your toes for 30 seconds) is not the same as dynamic stretching. Being flexible per se is not necessary, and you only need to be flexible to the extent that you can go through the range of motion for the exercise. This means your stretching should be only so that your muscles/tendons aren't so tight that they tear/break. Think of it like a rubber band. If a rubber band isn't flexible enough to stretch to the appropriate level, it snaps. But if it stretches too much, it loses strength. Primitive analogy, but it's fine for our purposes here. Dynamic stretching = best = warming up with light weight so you you're not stiff. Also, warm muscles = more productive muscles.

*Dynamic Stretching > Static Stretching *Only stretch to the extent need to complete the ROM for an exercise (eg you need to be able to squat to parallel) *Source: I'm done studying the NSCA trainer text book cover-to-cover, and will be taking the test soon. My opinions are based on peer-reviewed PhD research, not broscience. Look it up yourself if you have doubts.

[–]slickslacksluck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great gains. I also lost a lot of weight but unfortunately that pretty much translated into having some loose skin. You don't seem to have had that problem?

[–]Auphor_Phaksache0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro I'm sitting on the couch with a fucked up neck from MT clinching. Fucking STRETCH!

[–]StoicBeard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What cycle did you run bro? I know you want the fame but this is The Red Pill, help a fellow.

[–]africansn0w0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Who the fuck deleted this and why, this was a damn good post

[–]Aarxnw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cause it was fake, and that's fucked up cause it was a really good post.

Shining example of why you should be wary of some of the shit on this subreddit, there's some useful and genuine looking shit on here but come to find out an hour later, despite how modest and humble it seemed, despite how much it sounded like it was written by someone who genuinely wanted to help others, it was just a fake post.

[–]Masterleek0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What happened to all the info?! Can we still get the meal plan links?

[–]A_sexy_black_man-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Don't know why they deleted but here is the meal plan

[–]Masterleek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks bro this is so clutch! Good to see another brother on the Red Pill too! I thought I was few and far between...

[–]Masterleek0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hey bro I had a question about the scheduled times to eat particularly the 3-5 window where it says post workout meal. What if you work full time I usually don't work out until after 6pm if not first thing in the morning which is usually 7am. Is there any room for adjusted if we can't get to a workout in the middle of the day?

[–]slurmfactory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why was this removed? this was incredible.

[–]TheresaFaintSmile-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

The real question is though, do you program in JavaScript? Frontend is for bad asses.

[–]RevanisAlive5160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good job bro, I wish I wasn't so lazy lol. But man that's a huge accomplishment. Seriously. GG.

[–]30fretibanezguy0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What's TRP's general view on steroids?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're going to do them, don't do them until you need to.

Going on a cycle when you're only squatting two plates isn't going to be very useful.

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Wait till you're 25 first and foremost. A famous bodybuilder said you should only do then when you hit your natural limit. (think something around 2.5-3 place bench, one more plate for squat, one one more for deadlift, and one less than bench for shoulder press, etc. Also, it will amplify you existing conditions 10 fold, such as baldness, heart problems, erectile dysfunction, etc. Generally reward is very high, but risk can range anywhere from medium-low to very high(losing your boner aint no joke man)

[–]Steeleshitlord-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't want to be THAT guy, but just because it "worked" for you doesn't mean it will for others.

For those who are considering to take the advice of stretching BEFORE lifting to increase gains. Please do not. There is conclusive research saying otherwise.

Foam rollers are fine, but stretching needs to be an entirely separate event from your exercise.

[–]yomo86-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hate blacks for those damn gaining genes. But seeing your first pic it negates some of that. Anyway, awesome progress!

By any chance, can you point out a good stretching regime. It seems to me that every guy is never doing it, or just doing some movements that border on autistic spasms.

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