Summary: Stopped treating women like children and they stopped wanting to bang me.
I had 3 dates last week. The first I talked to on a mostly middle school level. She paid the whole check, grabbed my junk at the bar and wanted to go back to my place. On a Monday night. I actually turned her down because I give a shit about my job and wanted to be up early and productive. She was butthurt about it (threw a bit of a tantrum kinda like a child) but now is coming over this Saturday.
After the first one went pretty well I had two more dates that week where I stopped doing what made me successful. Both these chicks had Masters degrees. Actually one was a lawyer. And I started talking to them about shit that actually interests me, like economic globalization, interesting books I was reading, serious observations about cultural differences in the many countries I've been to. I could see them getting turned off. As soon as I started talking to them like educated adults rather than giggling pubescent girls I sealed my fate.
On some level I was doing it because I felt the need to talk to these girls like they were adult men. I was rebelling against vapid conversations about shitty bandwagon sports teams or all the times they got wasted in college. This was my ego getting in the way of the mission.
Lesson learned: Keep your serious intellectual discussions and scholarly observations to conversations with your Bros. Treat women like children and they will be all over you.
I so want to say that this isn't true, but sadly, it is.
That being said, however, I would add that there is a spectrum. Just try and stick to the higher end of it if you care about such things.
There are two ways to think about it.
Either you keep in mind that women's attraction for men is a purely emotional matter and that it is directed at strong, dominant men, so that you must primarily show a mix of confidence and authority along with fun and other emotion-inducing topics.
Or you can keep in mind that women are children and you must interact with them as such.
The later is a good shorthand for the former, even though it sounds ethically wrong to male minds that have been force-fed a blue pill indoctrination since birth. But in truth, both mindsets produce the exact same attitude, which is the one that is actually attractive to women. So pick whichever suits you best.
/u/Auvergnat, your comments are consistently insightful and helpful to the members of this community. Thank you for your contributions.
Per the request of another EC, I am hereby endorsing you.
'Bout damn time,too. /u/Auvergnat is one of the best new contributors.
Much appreciated feedback, thanks!
I am honored. I wouldn't have gotten there without the lessons I learned from the community, so very happy to contribute back.
Congrats, your comments are great, you earned it.
For all the time I've been reading TRP I've never heard anyone break it down like this. Great comment to get endorsed from
It's not just women, I'm sure you noticed by now that most major decisions are decided at the emotional level. If you've ever been taught sales, rhetoric or negotiation you would know that the most important language is emotion.
We Red Pillers can wip our dicks out and flop them around in displays if male superiority all day.
However if we are honest we'll see that emotional manipulation is the Swiss army knife of conversation.
that's true all my field experience confirms this too
what are some of your go to fun and "other emotion-inducing" topics?
Stories that are either funny, scary, sad or engaging. Relationships, holidays, travels, activities, passions. Not weather, philosophy, day to day work, mundane shit.
But no need to overthink it. Just pay attention to her reaction to any topic: If she is emotionally engaged in the convo, keep going. If she isn't engaging, change topic. On top of that, I f you can catch yourself talking about (or about to talk about) something that is not emotionally charged and change topic, then you're gold
When, if ever, can you talk about intellectual stuff? Just bit by bit but never heavy doses? In LTR situations? Or exclusively save it for your guy friends? I suppose every girl/dynamic is different...?
If you can make the conversation fun, you can talk to anyone about anything.
It's a spectrum. I'd say that if you're in the early stages of a relationship, you keep the intellectual stuff to a minimum. Focus on giving her tingles, with only a hint of what lays beneath. With time, you can flesh it out, but only in small doses. Don't expect to have hours-long debates with a woman, because that dries up panties. I've had conversations with my girlfriend about communism vs capitalism, but for no more than ten minutes and--this is the ringer--whilst we were doing something else, like cooking or walking somewhere.
In general, every dynamic is different, but you must always remember the golden rule:never be boring. That is the death sentence to attraction.
One of the most efficient ways to do this is to wrap your opinions up in theatrical mannerisms and body language. It allows you to speak your mind and say things against the grain, but the inherent theatrics with, say, exaggerated arm motions and sarcastic/arrogant tone of voice keeps them entertained. They often don't recall or care what my opinion was (save for that it steers them I'm that direction if I stand by it) but they remember they had fun hearing it. Again, the opinion is irrelevant to them, the delivery is fun to them.
Its single handedly the most successful techie I've ever learned. Though admittedly it's just how I like to act, so it works for me.
Seeming larger than life by being theatrical draws people to you and evokes feeling. For most women they enjoy hearing and experiencing me speak a lot more than any of the shit I'm actually saying. Lol.
So true, Set and Stythe. "I love your antics", "You should be an actor" (I am), "You're funny"...all things I've been told before the panties dropped. Appeal to their biological needs and it's sexy time. Appeal to their intellect at your own risk.
don't have to debate just find someone who isn't stupid and agrees with you. you can't have conversations with a woman about communism vs capitalism because both are wrong and both lead to destruction, there is no debate, and it's stupid to have a debate with someone about something you are wrong on anyway.
also those little debates or whatever does not = intellectual conversation, it's just white noise like watching the news. true intelligence is much more than silly debates, and women appreciate it a lot i can tell you from personal experience.
i don't have debates with my women, i just have conversations where i say things and they agree with me because deep down they feel the same, because i'm telling them the correct truth, and i picked women who aren't brain dead. don't even gotta worry about not being boring cuz i just say what's on my mind and it's interesting. can literally make a turd joke and it's funny.
I have you tagged as "MGTOW retard."
I wonder why that is...
yea that's a good question.
That man-hamster is over clocking. Relevant username.
Lol no. They have no clue what you're on about and don't care so they differ to you.
i mean if you know the people i'm talking to better than i do, then by all means.
You can talk about it whenever you want, however much you want. You just can't hamster about it and think it's building attraction. You can't be doing it to try to build an intellectual connection.
Everything you do doesn't have to build attraction, as long as your very heavy in the positive it's fine. It's like paying for bitches dinners - if it really makes you happy, then do it, but don't think it's earning you attraction.
I'll talk about shit I know she doesn't understand or can't even begin to comprehend because it's literally another language to her, but I'm not doing it with the intent to wet her pussy, I'm doing it to amuse myself. And then I stop and go back to treating her like a child - it's all about variety and switching it up to keep it fun for yourself.
And that's the key - whatever you want to talk about, do it to amuse yourself and have fun with the situation.
That last sentence about sums it up. I mostly do it to show dominance tho. Rub it in her face. Then rub cock in her face promptly thereafter.
I talk about intellectual stuff to this one girl, and she says she loves it. She is educated every time I say something, but she says she likes it.
Good for her! Does she tell you how wet it makes her?
Women also say they want a sensitive guy that will share his feelings with her.
Are you fucking her?
Yes she says she likes the intellectual stimulation, and yes, I am.
However, if at any point I get "sensitive" or "weak", she clearly shows disgust.
She must have you on a pretty good pedestal then. (her brain)You are the intellectual and you accept her as one (because you talk to her). Her ego is riding on your shoulders. Good stuff.
She says she loves it...
But what do her actions say? Is she wet, did she fuck you?
Yes, we have sex. However, if I ever show weakness, she is disgusted.
Only when you're certain you don't want to fuck them, or are in a completely platonic work relationship.
All the things that seem weird or inexplicable about people makes a lot more sense if you imagine them as children. I tend to think adults are just children with more experience and better acting
Usually negative childish behaviours that never been corrected, turns into Infantilism when the child grows older.
Lets be real about what's going on here:
No one of your casual friends gives a fuck about your thoughts on macroeconomics or existentialism or your own personal philosophy on the rationality of a deterministic universe.
Remember what Maya Angelou said: "People may not remember exactly what you did, or what you said, but they will always remember how you made them feel."
If you're on a date and you end up on a 15 minutes diatribe about your own ideas and thoughts, how is she going to feel? Chances are she's not interested, at this point in your relationship, in your thoughts on the subject. She's going to feel bored, like you're a windbag, and like you don't care about her feelings.
On the flip side, if you're "treating her like a child" you're focusing on her. You're treating her like she's special, you're keeping the conversation light and fun, and you're making her feel good.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you talk about - she's not going to remember anyway. What she will remember are the emotions and feelings she had in that moment with you. And that's what matters.
I should also add that this concept applies to men as well, because "treating them like children" is just a euphemism for keeping the conversation light, fun, and engaging.
For example: if you go out to lunch with a male coworker that you're acquainted with but not really friends with, are you going to talk about the the grandiose nature of the Habsburg family in Austria-Hungary prior to 1641?
Of course not. He doesn't care that you're a history buff, and honestly he doesn't know who the Habsburg's were or give a fuck about their influence on history.
If you're trying to be chill with this coworker, you're going to shift the focus on conversation to him. Ask questions about his family, his vacation, his interests and hobbies, etc. etc.
Again, this male coworker likely won't remember what you talked about. What he will remember is that you guys had lunch and you were so engaging that he was able to forget about work for an hour and enjoy himself because of you. Rapport is being build, emotional connections are being created and solidified.
And then, after a few weeks of the good feels (for both men and women) if the situation arises you can attempt a conversation about the theoretical possibility of wormholes existing allowing time travel or whatever.
It just blows my mind that guys expect to walk into a bar or a dance club or whatever and find a girl who wants to hear them rant and rave about the rise and fall of the Carthaginian Empire or about how King Henry VIII was a horrible womanizer who should have been overthrown after founding the Anglican church. No one who is out to have a good time gives a fuck about serious things. They're out to forget about their problems and have fun.
People don't want to think. They want to feel like they matter, like the world is a safe, enjoyable place, and like someone genuinely cares about them. And in that moment, if you're a good person who is good at social interaction, you'll make all of these things true.
have an upvote for being a critical thinker among too much TRP simplicity!
I agree. But simple works too with what girls want.
Some advice my dad gave me growing up. He said when it comes to dating just think of that song "girls just wanna have fun". That's it.
How you get there is where u/theredpill101 nails it.
But Habsburgs were lit af fam.
Your company needs to see that you have passions and interests; this will distinguish you from others. However, they need a peek through an open door, not a grand tour.
This is a great way to put it, thanks.
Absolutely this. It's really as simple as realizing that people in social situations want to feel good in the moment and have fun. Dating especially, is not a job interview and shouldn't be treated as such. That's one of the biggest complaints women have about dating; it's more often than not a grueling interview which is work, not fun. I don't know if most guys are socially stunted or just taking dating way too seriously, but the "have fun" part seems lost on most. The truth is, you can talk about ANYTHING on a date if you can make it relatable, funny, evocative; if a topic can engage her emotions and even better, show her how it engages your emotions, you can make a connection with her.
Praise fucking be, this is the single best comment I've seen on this sub. So good i'm not even ashamed this comment features no actual content of note well fucking done.
Absolute truth. I can just imagine OP trying to talk politics etc with a chick at a bar. If I saw that I'd be cringing for him.
Do I talk politics etc with my buddies? No that shit's boring IRL. It's best discussed on message boards etc. A fleeting comment here and there is fine (even with a girl) but does anybody really want to have a long discussion on this sort of thing in their free time?
You guys certainly do complicate a lot of this stuff. How do you even get yourself into a position where you would think talking about this stuff would be exciting to a person you've just met? It's totally inappropriate and not engaging in anyway. It almost comes off as autistic.
With men I can build enough rapport within a few minutes to be able to talk about nearly anything serious that they're into. I think they really appreciate it too.
The difference between talking about serious things in a new relationship vs an established one is in the newer one I will avoid making them feel bad while later on I won't, for exactly what you're pointing out, people mostly remember how you made them feel which is especially important the first several times two people hang out.
A good rough guidline would be to focus 90% on her (or the coworker) and 10% on myself.
An addendum, there are some girls who like to hear that sort of shit at the right place and time, but not because of the knowledge itself but the fact that you have it and are a good speaker.
Wow.
I have a code of maxims that i live by that i continually add to when i find out more about the truths of life.
This is definitely being added to it.
I consistently fuck this up. I always end up talking about politics and that is just the worst fucking thing ever. Keep it lighthearted, fun, constantly teasing level. Never get serious about anything. Live in a bubble.
This is something I've had trouble with. Even the "smartest" girls I know just don't care.
The lack of care (versus lack of understanding) is what gets me.
-- What is the difference between ignorance and apathy?
-- I don't know and I don't care.
I've suddenly noticed it with my sister. How she hates talking about anything real and she only enjoys when i dick about with her, even though the only reason we talk is to talk family shit. I had never made that connection until recently.
Are we not doing phrasing anymore?
I'm disappointed you got to this first...
Yeah this is why I get on with one sister and not the other. One can entertain ideas in a conversation, therefore is worth the effort of talking to. Whereas having a conversation with my other sister is literally the same as trying to game a random chick, its not just boring but actually disgusts me.
Yeah i feel the same way. I've mentioned this before but i have two sisters. One who wants me to game her, her LTR is chad. And the other who has 2 kids and a BB. She thinks she's my mother.
That pretty much shows you the two possible relationships you can have with a woman.
They don't fucking care about almost anything!
Its utterly appalling. Why? Because why get educated if you still give no shits even to just talk about shit and not do something about it.
Educated women are a misnomer.
All women care about are relationships, arts & crafts, and fashion. If you don't believe me just look at the magazines that are predominantly bought by women. Every other topic of magazine doesn't even come close to a 50/50 gender distribution between men and women.
For the most part, but even then, they care really about getting men and making other people feel good for their advantage which relationships, arts, crafts, and fashion/beauty all enable.
My SO for example is a great cook, and a lot of why is to get a man(worked so well lol) and make her friends and family feel good with her food.
But still very much believed to be a fundamental pillar of what makes a "good girl" to your average blue-minded male. They think "education" leads her to triumph over some inner slut-drive, so it puzzles them to no end when they see an "educated woman" follow her biological programming and pursuit her feelz over reals (i.e. her ability to know better than to jump on Chad's dick thanks largely, if not entirely, to her schooling)
We who see it for what it is - a veneer and not some "moral upgrade" - understand that that female attorney, plastic surgeon, mechanical engineer, Professor of Neurobiology want the same thing desired by the girl with zero education - to feel.
Talk about FORD:
Family
Occupation
Recreation
Dreams
Never talk about RAPE:
Religion
Abortion
Politics
Economics
Cheers for that but I find even talking about their job bums them the Fuck out.
I've similarly had some bad experiences when bringing up occupations. At times it's been my fault and I didn't realize it until later. Lots of layoffs and bringing that up on dates is depressing.
When it's the girl it's usually been once with a Lawyer and a few different PhDs. The lawyer was just bum fucking stressed out. It was so depressing and hard to turn the mood of the conversation. The last girl I was with was a pharmacist. It was alright for a bit, but she had to travel a lot and she seemed pretty stressed. Another PhD I met was still in school, but then thinking about doing more school (medical). Animals weren't fulfilling or some shit.
The last time a date tried to bring up how fucked Trump is I just said "Trump is dope". Then switched the subject to her tits and that was the end of it. Only after I found out her Instagram is pretty much an anti Trump page. These girls don't have hard positions. They'll bend anything for the right guy
Yeah I've found that it's easier to just fake the politics stuff until you get them committed, then you can basically convince them of anything. Once they're spending more time with you than Facebook they're totally malleable.
The curve ball guys have a problem with here, is that after all that shit on her Instagram, she would probably bend for Trump.
I got a girl who is super into liberalism on her social media. Yet I send her semi right wing memes on occasion and she always laughs, we also make fun of her male feminist ally orbiters.
The first one night stand from an online date I had was a feminist.
I remember drunkenly talking about vans and saying I made fun of my buddy for having a rape van. She blushed and covered her face and was like "rape joke on a first date giggle".
Few months later I see her post something about "rape jokes are never funny."
I guess they aren't funny unless they are funny?
There's this chick in my country that was famous for being a raging feminist, used to organize feminist groups and give speeches and etc. She was pretty much femen level, with short fucked up bleached hair, painting stuff on the body in protests, the whole ordeal.
Then one day she started dating this army guy, instantly made a complete 180, became conservative and dropped all feminist stuff and social media.
This is on point.
This is one of the reasons that spending time in a foreign country / dating across a language barrier can be so refreshing and even successful.
You are literally forced into physical/emotional language, gestures and facial expressions, and even after years of living and learning the language I am still not at the level for the kind of philosophical/intellectual conversations that I always was in my native English, and I think that continues to keep me away from areas that bore women.
Simplify things. Girls really do just wanna have fun. Politics and economics is for men. Let her admire your intelligence from afar, communicated by your career success and power in life.
If she asks about something, impress her with your intellect, then grab her and pick her up like a child again. Don't try to raise her up to your level. She wants to be treated as an inferior and child, so keep her there.
She wants to be sensual and emotional and go with the flow. Like a pop song running in her head. "La la land". Don't rudely awake her from her fantasy. Entertain it, then go back to your business. Look at Butch and his girl in Pulp fiction to illustrate this.
It's just another example of men's business and women's business. You gotta keep em separated.
Ok, but they can fucking vote. And if all they ever hear is their stupid feminist echo chamber that the media perpetuates, we're going to continue living in a self-sacrificing, self-hating, masochistic society. Western society is fucked up because men are too cowardly to state their strong opinions to women. They pussy foot around these things to conform to what women think is politically correct. So women fill the gaps with what they think/are indoctrinated to think is true.
If women don't want to hear about politics, and geopolitics, then they shouldn't fucking vote. As you can tell, i have a disdain for stupid people. Stupid women included. Idk if I can bring myself to date dumb women. Idk. I can't live a life where I have to dumb myself down to be with people.
Yeah, but look, we can't fix the world. We can't fix womenkind, we have to just deal with it as they are. You get yourself the best you can get - not necessarily the best educated, but a girl who has had to learn to support herself and not be a spoilt basic bitch - and you do your best to not be bothered when she does dumb shit. That's the apple pie, that's really as good as it gets.
See, girls can be smart - they just aren't intellectual, and they don't like being in "smartmode". They like being swept up in their impulses and word vomiting whatever thought their hamster produces. But some girls who weren't handed a liberal arts education, apartment, and car paid for by their dad have had to learn at least the bare minimum about basic survival in the world. Throw on some cooking skills, dick sucking skills, and basic home ec, and that's ... well, that's someone you can at least not go apeshit crazy with.
The alternative is to go MGTOW and not deal with any of them, so to me TRP means making a choice to either deal with the reality of women or not deal.
Being a college student 90% of guys here are pussys anyway. Feminism isn't even that far of a reach for them to be in support of. I can't really stand it anymore. Honestly the hardest part about becoming red pilled for me is having to put up with a bunch of beta faggots all the time. We talk alot about how women are programing men to think like a beta but I think it's the other way around. The women are getting out of hand because guys just are acting like bitches now. I have friends that are single and waste the best years of their life playing videogames and being upset about Trump when they could be out having an amazing time and fucking women. Sorry I just went on a rant ha
It's their nature to try making men into sniveling bitches, it's a shit test. The males who fall for it exclude themselves from getting the pussy, the girls don't want sniveling weak ass boys being raised by a weak suck excuse for a man. The weak fucks who fall for it double down on it thinking it will get them somewhere, and that's how we get so many of them throwing men under the bus with fucked up laws and flooding bitches with attention giving them free validation.
It's not only one, is both.
I feel like that's far more likely what happened, op was probably just more fun and likeable, don't really think it has anything to do with treating them like children, which I understand in certain ways in your own mind but keeping it private, but overall it's not really conducive to happiness because you'll feel responsible for them all the time, and they're people like us and can clearly manage their own lives.
as a practical tip from someone who still has old circuitry to shed, deep breathing to allow silence and space + increasing self-awareness of the impulse to behave in that analytical, sexless interrupts the pattern and allows the new behavior to take place...
From there another fun and effective thing to try is occasionally narrating out loud the thing you're hung up on internally: "damn, I'm distracted by some boring ass political shit right now...takes me out of the moment" or "I feel nervous for some reason, do you ever feel the need to fill silence with stupid shit?"... this isn't always appropriate but it is surprising how a touch of honest admission of internal shit can get your brain off the track its trying to go down and give you something experiential to change direction and re-engage.
I do the second thing naturally sometimes, it fits with my personality. The first tip is great, I'll definitely try and remember that. Take a minute to not fill the air with a stupid question and instead just relax and feel the tension.
They want to be treated like a child so why not?
When it's convenient for them, yeah. But when it's not, then they want to be treated like an adult
No, no, no.
They think they want to be treated as adults.
Eh, there's definitely times where they benefit from being treated like an adult
I don't know why you got downvoted. Women can be logical and rational, they just fucking hate to do it. They think their emotions are more important than any type of critical reasoning. Women mentally have the capability to hold any job a man can minus a job that is physically demanding. But many don't want to make the mental effort and commitment to obtain these type of jobs. But they feel they should have it anyway because their feelings about wanting that job trump rational understanding of investment and sacrifices needed to be made to achieve it. Just my opinions.
Edit: Damn dude, you didn't have to delete it. I understood what you were saying.
Lol I started making an edit to try to clarify but I just said fuck it. It seemed like I was saying that
a) being treated like an adult always benefits them when they want to be but I just meant that there's a few times where it does
b) that it's not in our best interest as men to almost always treat them as a child but it still definitely is in our best interest, just occasionally not theirs. Except if they cheat or something then treat them like a capable woman who should know better (conveniently this is a perfect example of when they would love to be treated like a child and have you blame the guy they cheated with instead, because she's just an innocent child who couldn't help it)
I struggle with this all the time. I like logical thought provoking conversations. Girls only want emotions. They don't want to think. You chain together positive emotions and sexualize the interaction and you are good. Sometimes I don't get anything out of it. The only logical woman I know works in mathematics. She's borderline genius but completely unfeminine. I would totally sleep with her anyway but I don't want the fallout.
I was talking online to some pianist that played at professional venues and studied it in school. I thought she seemed smart and worldly. She texted like a fucking idiot. I would have been better off just saying "when am i fucking you?". Silly me.
Your bros are for deep conversation.
Your dog is for company.
Girls are for play dates.
This is genius. Simple and easy to remember.
If you want to have a thought provoking conversation you have to talk like you have all the answers. It can't be a two-way discussion with a woman. It just won't work.
You have to be the "Captain". btw it literally disgusts me how red pill women refer to their SO's as their "captain"
I noticed this too, but after the fact. I had an ex gf, we dated some years back and we always had thought provoking conversations. Or so I thought... Really, it was me being in deep thought about things and sharing a point and how I analytically came to a conclusion about something. Every now and then she'd add some input and i would take what she said and factor it into my point. It gave the impression that she was deep but I was guiding the interaction. We've stayed in touch. She's told me she hasn't really met guys that were as deep, analytical or articulate as I was. She even said some were really dumb and boring. But know what? It didn't stop her from fucking them. She even stalked one. I think to myself, why the fuck did I waste time discussing so many personable and thought provoking things to you? I could have been less interesting, and less intelligent and wouldn't have effected the relationship either way. Anyone that knows me would say I'm a complicated person. She only misses that I was funny and good at sex. That's honestly about it.
Do you seriously believe that you would have been happier, let alone capable, of living a life where you don't let your intellect guide you to think through life's challenges? It wasn't about her, dude. You did it because of who you are. Dating below your IQ seems to be standard for men, as it creates relational stability. Women date men smarter, or better than them in some way. Women who date equals can't be depended on. They'll eventually fuck off somewhere and screw you over. (IMO)
Your story is actually a good example if how you don't necessarily have to be less intelligent to attract women, you can as intelligent and articulate as you'd like, you just rely on it as a sexual turn on because women respond to emotion.
Why should it disgust you? You should be her captain, as cringey as it sounds, you are ultimately responsible for you, her, and your ship if you should choose to LTR her. It's your job to lead and to grow her into a woman who's capable of maintaining her hamster, and it's not your job to let her talk back or argue back about dumb shit.
While I think most RPWs are hilariously hamstery on reddit, the concept of captain-firstmate is good. It's the only way a successful LTR can work.
I never said it "should" disgust me, but it just does. They're adults man.
Maybe it's because I didn't fully swallow the pill until recently, but I just think adults should be their own captains. The fact that they openly and willingly think of someone else as their own captain makes it clear that they have some sort of fantasy that seems a little sick in my mind.
I understand that I can benefit from taking advantage of that fantasy, but it's still off-putting to me
No woman who willingly calls another adult their captain will ever be a "first mate" of mine. She might think she is, but she's not. To me, my first mates are my guy friends. In my mind, good guy friends are much more important to helping to run the ship that is my life than any woman will ever be. I could see myself starting a business or accepting advice from a close friend, but never from a woman.
A captain wouldn't have to game a first mate. Sure he'd have to hold frame n shit, but he'd also be stright up about what's going on and the first mate would be loyal and ready to help out wherever needed. A good firstmate won't abandon ship just because the captain makes mistakes. My best guy friends have been a part of my life for more than half of my life. some for 75% of it. No woman will ever amount to that.
That's fine man, you can choose to react and deal with the red pill as you want - I choose to just try to enjoy them for what they are, but you can think the opposite. I definitely agree that as a man you'll never really have a "first mate" because you are alone, and just being submissive and feminine and sexy and whatever else doesn't make someone capable of being a part of your "ship". And stupid analogies aside, it's about seeing the "red pill" or reality for itself and then deciding a strategy that you feel is optimal given your desires.
As long as you're seeing the reality, then that's fine. There is a lot of disgusting behavior and evolutionary programming and whatnot that's present in women and in men, and women got the short end of stick in terms of having the mental faculties required to be leaders or "captains", or loyal, or noble. These are male concepts, and we can disagree about how to feel about the fact women are deficient in these areas, but that doesn't go anywhere.
I mean I enjoy them about as much as I can. I've learned not to treat them how I'd like to because that never seemed to work.
Agreed there, it's called the red pill for a reason. I don't think most people like the reality of it. I know I don't. But I'm young. As in sometimes bars triple-check my ID because I look like a high schooler type young. Maybe later I'll be more accepting of the reality, but for now I'm just using my understanding of the reality to get laid and score SOME sort of connection with these ho's. Albeit it's not the sort of connection I'd like. But I'd rather have a fraction of what I want than nothing at all.
Ultimately I don't think we really disagree because we both understand that it doesn't matter how you FEEL about it
So much truth! I have 3 buddies that I know for over 30 years now plus my 5 years older brother. Those are the most important people in my life, plus ofc my family.
My longest TLR was nearly 9 years, ended recently and I'm starting to live again now. Life, with some of the RP principles, is making a lot more sense now.
Maybe it disgusts you, because you can never see yourself calling someone else your captain (solipsism)? If it disgusts you to call someone that then it should disgust them?
I haven't really had a super close male friend since middle school. So for me to think of any male friends as a first mate would be hard. Might of lost my trust for men and women in this time. I would just think of any male in a first mate role and know they want to be captain of the ship. If I ever fuck up I'm gonna get thrown out and they're next in line.
Then again the Queen in Game of Thrones killed the King so lol.
I think of like this: They're the first mate of my ship and the captain of their own.
Do you have any examples of chaining positive emotions and sexualizing the conversation? It's something I struggle with.
some people here hate RSD but I used to watch a lot of their 'in-fields' to help get a context for a lot of these ideas -- with humans, "seeing is believing". They chat on the subject until like 4:30 when he grabs a girl for a demo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyqkkod89wE
Ahh. I've seen this before and had completely forgotten about it. I just can't pull off what Julien does but I get the idea. Thanks.
Practice. Cut out your negative self talk.
I would like to know more specifics here as well.
Yes - they regard the argument for something as like a coat hanger and the feelings the argument produces as like a $3,000 dress hanging on that coathanger.
From that point of view, which is more important?
I read that these women, when you scan their brains, literally have brains with male features.
Then don't talk to a fish about the mountains.
You are borderline purple whining.
I was talking about errors in my judgement and what I learned from it. I felt it was relevant to the main post. No need for your profound words.
Why would you sgo on a first date like that? A first date is so you can get to know each other not to have meaningful conversations about globalism
Jesus Christ! Why didn't I think of it like that? Yeah, I can verbalize that concept too but phrasing it like this is soo much better.
I had the benefit of growing up with older sisters. I would observe their conversations with each other and their friends and I swear they were speaking a different language. The words themselves meant nothing. How they said the words; context, pitch, tone, inflection and emphasis, meant everything. Their social conversations were all about conveying emotion, not exchanging information.
I always have to remind myself: girls just want to have fun. Keep it light and connect with them emotionally.
Umm have you considered that maybe we do both? Emotive language is an excellent way to connect with your fellow human being, regardless of context.
Here's me giving a presentation on exoplanets speaking the way I usually do, with emphasis and inflection to convey the important/difficult information and to give my listeners an opportunity to interrupt me and ask questions if they don't understand something.
I honestly think you dudes could go a long way if you learned to talk like women. Conversations are about more than exchange of information.
Does anyone have a good explanation or links to examples of "treat them like children?"
Speak to their emotions like you would with a child, don't take them seriously.
I keep two types of plates. Ones I enjoy talking to, and ones I wouldn't bother talking to.
I can (and regularly do) have intelligent conversations with intelligent women, some of whom I am sleeping with. The key point is, conversation.
Too many people think that simply spouting their opinion in great detail and expecting the other party to do the same is a conversation.
That's not how it works. They still need to be lead. Ask, listen, respond. Stop just telling them what you think backed by your rationale.
Also keep an eye on interest levels. Talking about globalization for 2 minutes can be interesting. Harping on about it for 15 minutes is fucking boring.
Just as much as a sheila telling me about buying sexy underwear is great; yapping on for 15 minutes about the whole fucking shopping day and how the sheila at the coffee shop totally rolled her eyes is going to kill the mood.
Don't give up on intelligent conversation with women, but don't expect it to be the same as with a man.
Which of the two would you rather ltr/wife up if you wanted kids?
Lol at using the name Sheila, are you aussie?
I'd like to think I'd end up with someone I can also talk to. But not at the cost of other things.
Do you think that's possible? Haven't you noticed a trend among the ones you can talk to and the ones you can't?
The only trend is that none of them passed vetting yet. Although I've only actually been Red Pill aware for under a year (definitely had long periods of Red Pill behaviour naturally in the past)
i don't think there's a correlation between intelligent conversation and lacking in any particular other area.
There's definitely correlation between those that claim to be intelligent but can't actually hold a conversation, but I smell their shit a city block away.
It's really hard to not treat them like children. Especially when you wake up and see your girlfriend sleeping while cuddling with a teddy bear
Or when they brag about their new rainbow socks or Hamburger shorts
God, what is it with the socks? I've been with girls that had hundreds of pairs of novelty socks. I've got like, 12 pairs of black socks.
It's now a 'guy' thing as well to wear 'crazy' socks.
I literally have no idea of a situation where such socks would appropriate, apart from clown school.
What do you do? Guys in finance wear fun socks all the time...
Bright color is a show of confidence homeboy. People like confidence.
Appropriate. You must be fun at parties. Many guys have no taste so they just go with the craziest shit they see and don't think about it.
If you care about style though (and you should), vibrant or patterned socks are a great addition to your image. I wear business suit every day and always keep the sock color and print in the picture. Usually match it with the tie palette.
If done right, you instantly set yourself apart from the crowd of chinos/blazer lemmings.
http://www.divinestyle.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mens-suit-style-print-socks.jpg
those look fucking retarded
They surely do set you apart from the crowd, but it doesn't mean they look good. Wearing a monocle will also set you apart, but quite frankly, I find both rather ridicolous.
A business man's socks match his pants, a gentleman's socks match his mood.
Wait. What are you saying about hamburger socks...
Socks with hamburger images patterned all over them ... or rainbows... or kittens . Food or cute
How do you handle conversation like that, do you just ignore it?
I smile and chuckle . A few times I've called my plates 7 year olds or 10 year olds in an amused way to tease them but ultimately they're just being girls . To them it's noteworthy , to me it's amusing , simple as that .
Can you give few examples of what you mean when you say talk to them like children? I'm not very good with kids, so I'd appreciate some general guidance on this matter.
It's tough to give specific examples, but here's some ideas.
Being someone who works with kids. One of the most important things with kids is setting boundaries early and often, make it clear early on that you are the one leading, you are the decision maker, not them. When they want to make a decision, remind them of the boundary, ask them why they want to do that activity, get a treat or whatever.
It's okay to give them what they want, if you frame it as a reward that they must earn with good behavior. If they didn't earn it, don't reward them.
It can be good to give kids choices, when the choice doesn't matter that much. For example, when a kid is throwing a tantrum, rather than telling them to go to their room to calm down, it can be beneficial to not just direct them to calm down, but ask them if they'd rather go to their room to calm down, or go out in the backyard to calm down. They like feeling like they're making decisions, but they don't really want the responsibility of bigger choices.
Distractions from real life are big for kids too. Why do you think most kids are glued to iPad's and handheld games? The real world is stressful, even if it isn't professional stress or financial stress, kids feel it too. They like being given distractions and things to do. Without using a screen, some good examples are playing a card game while talking to them about whatever it is you need to talk about with them, since it opens them up, or challenge them to guess how many jellybeans are in a jar. If they don't want to participate in something, sometimes getting them a comfort snack or a glass of water and bringing them back, will re-engage then with the activity.
It's important to recognize when a negative behavior is attention-seeking vs. not knowing any better. If it's attention seeking, ignore it, if they don't know any different, correct them and delay rewarding them.
I guess, with a woman. The comparison would be, establish yourself as the lead, don't ask her where she wants to go, just pick a place, but ask her to choose something trivial like which table to sit at, or something.
Do meaningless but fun games and/or tasks with her, pop psych quizzes, people watching, making a paper football out of the paper band that comes on your napkin at a restaurant, etc. Another thought would be going for a short walk while you're waiting for food at a restaurant or waiting for a show to start, etc. instead of sitting in one place. Recognizing when things are getting dull and relocating to a new venue is another example of distractions, novelty and/or changing environments is engaging.
If she's doing something you don't like, say it's attention seeking or a shit test, ignore it or respond like it isn't a big deal. If she just doesn't get that it isn't appropriate or that it's annoying, call her out on it and let her know you don't appreciate it. When she does or says something you like, let her know that too, validation is good, but only when she's earned validation.
Those are just a few ideas in drawing parallels between interacting with kids and women. I'm sure someone else can do a better job of this.
This is very true but annoying. I want a partner and not some daughter.
Why do you think they have daddy fantasies?
True.
Good for a plate to have, but I wouldn't want my LTR be too obsessed with that.
I'm not trying to replace your dad.
Uh, yes you are trying to replace her dad. The little girl isn't dead in any women that's at all feminine and needs a man as a father figure to guide her and protect her. First it's her father, then it becomes her boyfriend, then it becomes her husband.
But you are not only her replacement father either, that'd be no fun!
If you don't want to replace her dad, she will find someone who will.
This in a nutshell is why I don't think I'll ever get married. What do I gain when I'm with someone that is so caught up in their emotions they can't appreciate logical and rational discussions? Also, don't care much for fairness. Women need a rock. They like a man that can take control and make decisions. What the hell do I get? Responsibility and liability.
I'm just going to vet for women with aspergers. Fuck it.
Exactly. We put ourselves into a position of massive vulnerability without much reliable benefit to us.
KT Tatara phrases it perfectly - cue up to ~0:55
Responsible for the good and bad. At least in thinking this from a having kids standpoint.
You get to lead / be a leader. I'm not a father, but I can see the satisfaction some may get by being the head of their family. Coaching a little league or some shit.
Not everyone can be a leader of people like a president, prime minster, CEO, etc. Pretty much anyone without medical issues can start a family and be a leader.
It's annoying when parents gloat about their kids. But like my parents for example seem to attribute some of their self-esteem to the fact I've been successful. I find it annoying when they brag, but it's hard to fault them if they were literally responsible and liable for keeping me alive for a while.
The difference is as a guy people will make you liable for kids and the wife. But that's the culture now... Women used to be liable and shamed if they couldn't have boys. Biggest struggle I see now if liable w/ no control if you get a girl pregnant or get divorce raped.
Go date a dude if you don't appreciate femininity. You get her emotional expression that makes you feel alive and her sexiness that fulfill your sexual needs.
Even a woman with aspergers is AWALT and doesn't give a shit about more intellectual conversation even though she'll be better at it than the typical woman.
Its very BP to expect women to be like men and appreciate intellectual things.
Thanks! A good example of femininity would probably be your sensitive reaction to my post. I do appreciate that. I feel alive now.
And fedora tip for the info about Aspergers women. You saved me so much heartache with that serious response to a humorous statement.
I was being sensitive? Idk, your post sounded like why have a LTR or date women at all.
Lol, well, it does show something for sure. Even women with more test, more logic, less social focus, are AWALT.
That's a fantasy, unfortunately.
Go for a trap, cause you ain't gonna find a woman that will keep up with you on an intellectual level.
They exist but they're exceotially rare since society gives them everything they want without them having to develop the tools necessary for acquiring it by themselves.
Same here. That's the part of the red pill that's been the most frustrating for me.
All the other parts of the pill have gone down either more smoothly or more quickly. But that knowledge in the back of my mind, knowing that this person is essentially handicapped, sometimes frustrates me.
The worst is lately I've been involved with a few girls, highly educated and rational. Two are actually in some kind of advocacy - one a social worker, the other a lawyer. Both are able to use their full minds in their work. They are logical, cogent, intelligent. They seem so capable. But when we interact, it's as if they revert to a childlike mentality. It really turns to feelz over realz. It's as if attraction changes their thought patterns, as if they don't want to be burdened with having to think for themselves. They want to feel a certain way, and live in that feeling, and having to think clearly dissolves those feelings.
I've literally dated girls who had one mindframe towards their friends and family - sweet, understanding, responsible - but with me, it was as if they wanted to act as carefree as the people they took care of. These girls also wanted me to dominate and infantilize them in bed.
It frustrating that you can even see the capable side of women's minds. See that they can apply it elsewhere. But know that it's not there for you. And if it were, she wouldn't be attracted to you.
I guess that's what unlearning feels like. Taking what I was taught - directly, indirectly, implicitly - and realizing it wasn't ever true. That this idea of an 'equal relationship' is almost completely a farce.
Exactly,im don't want to have to talk down to the woman im with, neg her etc etc..it gets very tedious very fast for me
Education doesnt equal intelligence, it just means someone knows how to follow instructions. Economic globalization and cultural differences are boring as shit to most people in general.
You got laid so be happy about that, but I dont think it has anything to do with talking to them like they are kids. The first bitch just sounds like a horny slut. The other two you were just talking about boring shit in general. Its like having conversation about some basic shit like the weather or what you ate for dinner, most people dont really give a shit.
The brutal truth. It sounds nicer and simpler to say all girls react to the same things and the only reason the other two weren't interested is cause OP didn't treat them like a child, but in reality he probably just gave them no emotions.
That's partly why they like being treated like children though right ? Being teased, not having a guy cow towing to whatever she says , Being put into a position where she gets to admit being a dirty girl or wondering about your vague thoughts . It's all to get that imagination of hers roaring like an excitable little girl is it not ?
Um no. Wtf are you even talking about at this point lol?
If you wanna fuck a slut and you talk to her like a child, that probably means your a fucking pedo lol. Talking dirty is not talking like a child, its just its own thing.
Mature women dont wanna be fucking talked to like a child. They wanna be turned on, they dont you going "oh hiii hows my lil snuckums doing, wanna go get some ice cream my lil cupcake". That sounds weird as fuck. The OP is making conclusions that seem just as half baked as the usual shit that I read on here.
It's not about literally talking to them like a child, it's just about treating them vaguely like a child with the knowledge that they are like one and will respond to things in a similar way. Read this
We're not talking " Who's a big girl?" Like a child we are talking entertaining her and engaging her just like you would a child . "What type of music do you like to listen to ?" , " Have you eaten at cheesecake factory lately? it's so good" , "I went out of the country not too long ago it was awesome , the seas were a little rough but it was awesome to see how people live somewhere else "
Talking dirty is a whole different thing , you don't just walk up to a chick and tell her you're going to stick it in her ass unless you're a fucking sperg . Most women require a certain level of "lubrication" before they know you're not a crazy or sub-par piece of shit with a dick . Hence where the childish engagement comes from . .
You say it's half baked shit but have you read a dating profile in the last few years? " I like to go on adventures" , " my hobbies are Netflix and food" . Tell me those responses are asking for deep intellectual connections . They enjoy surface level communication so fun surface level communication works .
I mean maybe if your talking to stupid ass basic bitches that works, but a bitch with any sort of personality isnt going to go for that type of shit. I personally dont waste my time on women like that. If I want a dumbass hooker Id just buy one.
YELLOW FLAG THROWN. Penalty: you are kicked to the sidebar, return when you have read it.
I understand, at this moment you believe you are in an intellectually superior position. Start reading, for your own good. Quit looking for easy tips on how to get laid and take the time to educate yourself.
Wtf is wrong with you people and your obsession with intelligence? No wonder yall cant get laid and gotta whine on here about how women are runing your lives. And yellow flag thrown....no never again. Please set your computer on fire and never log on to reddit ever again if you ever post something that lame ever again.
Also, education doesn't equal wisdom.
Hah I never thought about this but its true! When a girl says something simple about a topic I often feel the need to explain how it actually works, but this never ends well. Gotta keep it kid friendly around these "women"
That's because women don't tend to care about how it works (logic) as much as they care about how it makes them feel (emotion). The problem is on your end; you're not steering the conversation towards her interests.
You should want to. Why do I need her to provide me with intellectual fulfillment and stimulating scholarly observations and deep conversations about reality, morality, etc etc?
That comes from me. I'm responsible for knowing how I view the world, and I'm responsible for finding intellectual fulfillment through my career, my hobbies, and so on.
Normal guys say "blah blah blah I want someone who I look to for advice, someone who can engage my intellectual curiousity!"
Well, that's because their ass is needy and dependent - not in the sense of seeking validation or wanting to not be alone, but in the sense of needing her to provide him with things he should be the source of.
The whole world tries to force women into this rigid uncomfortable "career educated liberal cute-but-nerdy" box. All day she has to pop her adderall to get through acting like she gives a shit about anything being taught in her classes. She has to put on a facade all day to not look like the child she is in front of management.
When she gets home the prospect of discussing thermodynamics or Nietzsche or the corporate gambits your facing are about as tolerable as taking a cheese grater to her clit.
Just don't do it. Show her some basic empathy and release her from this prison of having to act like an adult male. Having to do this all the time is why 30% of women are on anti-depressants.
Be a man and just vibe, tease, and play with her. Never take anything seriously, and make it clear she can take off the "smart girl" filter and just say the shit she wants to say as it comes out, because you're not judging her. Don't be acting all intellectual, because then she feels pressured to act intellectual so as to keep up the facade.
Its because when the working day is done, girls- they want to have fun. Oh girls just want to have fun.
Come someone explain how to talk to them like a child
Serious question:
How do you talk to a woman like a child? I would appreciate some examples.
Holy fuck have I learned this the hard way and had this whole bullshit, "womyn don't give a shit about muscles and care more about intellectualism" parroted by my dumb feminist sister. They care more about dirty talk and having conversations giggling like teenagers than actual smart convos. If people were really sapiosexual as they claim they were, then they'd be banging all those STEM nerds but clearly that's not the case. Sex talk may be crude but they are so much more receptive to that than they are with polite, civil conversations.
Women don't actually like big muscles. They want lean, dexterous not monstrous. More Michael Phelps less Jay Cutler.
There are women that are interested in those topics, and they would probably find topics most people talk about boring, like OP presumably does. I don't think it's a woman thing, I think it's an intelligence/mental preference thing. Thing is, since most women (and people in general) don't like those topics, you are decreasing your chances of getting laid by talking about them.
I agree to a certain degree, the problem is that it also happens if the topic is started by the girl or as in OPs example topics we have to assume they care about. You study law but cant talk about it?
True, but it depends on the context. There is a right place, a right time, and a right person to discuss that topic. Those particular women probably just happened to find it boring, for whatever reason, but I wouldn't say that they are representative of the attitude as a whole. It also depends on how it is framed, but IMO that is less important.
I agree, but after thinking about it the risk seems to high
It's all up to you, really. If she thinks you're a nerd and yawns over the topics you bring up/loses interest, but someone greets you or something and preselection is suddenly in your favor, then you can bet that the entire dynamic is going to change. It shouldn't really be set in stone.
Eli5 how to treat like child
ITT: A thousand guys asking for examples or elaboration, and not a single reply that gives them either.
I had a buddy complain that his really hot serious girlfriend couldn't have an adult conversation with him. Like she couldn't talk about things going on in the world and didn't really have any strong opinions about anything. He was thinking about breaking up with her. I told him that literally every girl is like this and if he wants to have deep intellectual conversations about stuff to just call me or one of our other friends lol.
This goes back to a classic TRP post that detailed how women want to be loved like their father loves them; strong, resolute, and seen as lesser than him.
Most women do not want to be treated as an intellectual because to them that is part of the boring "adult" life they want to escape from; the one of hard work and difficulty.
They want to be coddled in the way their father did, being taken care of and spoken to in a lesser way. This does not mean demeaning, however. It's a fine line and one that needs to be walked carefully.
As a woman, here's my perspective. I am someone who loves intellectual conversation. In fact, that's really the only thing I enjoy talking to people about. I despise small talk. I could talk for hours about the state of the world, conspiracy theories, my political/social beliefs, books, etc.
But back to what you were saying about wanting to be "coddled" and "taken care of"...well, I think there's a lot of truth to that. The Facebook posts of my many female friends would attest to that. As for me personally, I have to admit I can be the same way. You're right that we don't want to be demeaned, but we want to know that there's someone out there stronger and more capable than us. Someone who will protect us and love us unconditionally.
I wouldn't say that I don't want to be treated as an intellectual equal, it's just that at the end of the day, I also would love for people to acknowledge that I have emotional needs too. I am someone who has a lot of fears, so when people around me are able to calm me and help me feel better, that honestly makes me feel pretty good.
I do my mental masturbation to myself in a mirror.
Women say they want intellectual stimulation. They really just want a guy to be smart but not try to engage them with it. Intellect is for males, it's what we use to get around the world, be productive and secure resources. By engaging in intellectual discourse with a girl you aren't competing or conversing intellectually. You're pathetically trying to sell yourself and that's how she will see it, even if that's not your intention. Remember female solipsism. They think it's all about them and their marvelous pussy.
Literally kept the mindset that I was talking to a middle schooler on a date tonight. She straight up offered road head without me having done shit but the standard kino. This shit is my favorite post on here now.
Can I ask you, and any other individuals here who employ this speech tactic, how to successively speak in this manner and possibly some examples? I fuck this up all the time.
I would start by reading up on amused mastery from Rollo, and "treat her like a bratty little sister" which is an older PUA concept.
Which doesn't help if one hasn't had a sister.
You don't have a friend with a little sister?
None that I have seen in about 15 years.
But I'm sure you saw what that dynamic was like by spending time at your friend's houses when you were a kid, no? I guess it could be hard to remember
I think the Book of Pook is a solid read , there is a recent post covering the "Fountain of Youth" which is my favorite chapter in it and the most applicable here. It's more of a paradigm to do it though versus verbatim quotes of what to say .
Interresting resource tip, thanks alot.
the way i see it: these chicks go out with so, SO THEY CAN TURN THERE BRAIN OFF.
they don't want to talk about " grown up stuff" they just want to have a good time and shoot the shit with you, have a good time and not worry about that.
that's how i see it anyway
They want to turn their brain off 100% of the time. It's not just 'going out'.
well yeah, but she wants to have a " fun time" with you. whatever that is to her.
Yeah, and spankings are really essential, too.
I hope it's okay if I reply to this post... Because it seems like most of the replies are from men on this sub-reddit. Which is fine! But I found this thread really intriguing as a female which is why I wanted to reply.
I honestly feel ashamed that you feel that way from the experience you've had with these women. Honestly, if I was your date I'll probably be wet by many of the categories of intellectual discussions you've mentioned. But I'm highly attracted to intelligence so I'm not a good representative for women. I've shamelessly slept with a few men who I have no chemistry with but just slept with them because they turned me on from interesting discussions of business, tech and to sustainability.
I would also like to suggestion. Looking at other variables to why the date didn't go so well other than just this theory and test try that in future dates. I'd be excited to hear your results. As we all know even though chemistry is a huge factor of what turns someone on but what I find works most is showing your genuine interest in them. Asking their opinion or what they'll suggest about an intellectual or normal conversation will pique their curiousity and especially about you. From there make them laugh with your thoughts and experiences but remember to be not so serious on a first date especially if you just want to score.
Was your dad a smart dude who involved you in conversations about "grown up" stuff from an early age?
Almost guaranteed, or some other male figure she looked up to did so.
Imagine being surprised somebody doesn't want to talk about economic globalization on a first date. Yea, I know nothing about you, but let's focus on discussing trump's import tariffs, because that'll be fun
It's not "treating someone like a child" to actually discuss light hearted or personal things on a date. Save the economic talk for when you actually know them you buffoon, that's why you're dates aren't going well, not because women are children.
Good post. Without growing up under an alpha father figure, this is something that very few men learn, as everything in our feminized culture demands otherwise.
It feels wrong to do and it's dissapponting to accept you simply cannot have this type of constructive argument with most woman.
To other members struggling with this as I have, especially for those with oneitis or an LTR. I would simply remind you to focus on empirical data, observe how she acts after a "capitalism/communism" discussion or any conversation that challenges what she has been raised to believe or aligns with liberal mainstream thought.
After a peroid of time I believe most notice that the dicussion can only reach a certain level of depth before it regresses to "I'm right because I feel this way and you are an awful person." Simply count how many times this happens, and how many times you have to defend yourself for simply disagreeing with her. (And how many times you go to sleep with a dry dick)
Ultimately you'll see its easier to simply shut down a challenge with humor, a change of topic, or simply leave. Never lose frame, do not waste time and effort.
"This was my ego getting in the way of the mission." It's not your ego, it's your interests. Yeah maybe you wanted to look smart so it was your ego in that sense but you already knew that was going to fail so why would your ego want to not rack up more notch counts? It's SOOOO boring talking about the trite shit that is required for flirting all the time after you have done a lot of it.
Women want guys that are charming, intelligent, and funny. You sound really pretentious
Well, here's the problem: you're either 1. Lying or 2. Socially oblivious. I'm guessing probably both.
I mean, for fucks sake, it's almost always never a good idea to talk about politics with someone you either 1. Just met or 2. Are hanging out with. Unless they're your friends, or you've established some sort of comfortablity level where it's okay, then you're free to talk about whatever you want.
Politics is the most divisive thing on the planet. Yet you think you're going to be able to just nonchalantly chat about it?
sounds more likely that as soon as you were yourself they got turned off, no?
Treat them like women. Its similar but not exactly the same.
This. There is a similarity but a clear divide between woman and child.
Can someone elaborate this with an example please?
There's an old maxim about the 3 topics to avoid in polite conversation: Religion, Politics, and Money. All three are mine fields, and for any one of them you have a ~50% chance of just exploding the interaction and making the other person genuinely dislike you. So yeah, don't talk about politics on the first date, or the first interaction with anyone, it is just asking for problems. Especially if you come off sounding like NeoReactionSafe.
Any examples? How do you treat them like a child about general topics? Oh you work here isn't that a smart girl ? Sounds patronising
Considering how infantilised women are in our society, being catered and pampered from birth, I'd say treating them like babies is the only sensible way to deal with them. Good on you, OP.
I'm curious as to how would one talk to girls like they are children. I'm still in high school so most of the girls I go to school with really are still kids inside but like to think because they're 16/17/18 they deserve to be treated and talked to like an adult woman.
Does talking to them like children just mean lots of teasing, flirting, and short to the point answers? I mean should I really be talking to and treating girls how I would talk to and treat a 5th or 6th grader? Give me some advice on this, because I usually tend to talk to girls like a civilized adult, and just like OP said I've seen girls go from giggling and hair twirling in my presence with obvious interest to a blank face and seeming like they just want nothing to do with me after a few conversations.
I cant imagine how it would be any different in high school. Serious conversation is like a different dimension that sex cannot exist in. Switch it out for humour, flirting, stupidity, pop culture references, and really anything that creates that socializing party atmosphere that brings out the inner slut, and then lead with your seductive tendrils. However, be warned, high school perhaps has the highest rate of prudes and sexual insecurities that can backfire on you. Many women here havent even experienced an orgasm, or can openly admit masterbation.
Side thought: sex is one of the most serious feelings we have... not sure what this means but it seems interesting.
Most people want quiet and easy lives; dealing, even thinking about politics, philosophy, even just science [related topics] is to much a hassle for them. Dont be so fucking dumb and force them to use their brain. This is especially true about women: they crave high quality entertainment, not brain exercise. Most of us might, but they DONT, so use your brain and give them what the want, not what they need or else that sweet sweet cooch will be dry before you can even notice how badly you fucked up.
I'm a woman and long-time lurker here. I don't think it's fair to use a few women of a similar demographic to classify all highly educated women, or women in general. Maybe these women are sick of doing hard work and want to engage in a casual non-serious relationship. How exactly do you talk to them? Can you give us an example of real past dialogue between one of these dates? Do you make any jokes when you talk about your interests or experiences? Maybe that's what bores them? I just find it hard to believe lots of women - or all women - are this way. Because i'm definitely not. And even if i was, it doesn't mean i'm any less of an intellectual or worthy date/partner.
exactly... i find intellectual women, the shining beacons of independent value, more attractive than dumb blondes, as long as they arent perpetually criticizing me. When they are confident, intellectual, social, entertaining, and seductive completely independent from me they are high value keepers not deadweights although intimidating because i have to know im a worthy man which im working on. But i have noticed the trend OP is posting about. Its hilarious to blame women for the need to regress, but the truth is that men would need it too, that is if women ever approached men, led, and entertained them... basically a parallel universe. I mean how would anyone transition from a serious conversation like politics or mathematics with engaging depth to the woman riding you like a mechanical bull. Doesnt happen without less heady topics and physical interaction. Im positive the post was not meant to offend, but rather to be funny and offer a strategy to build from.
maybe you're just fucking boring, and they got bored, cause you're a boring twat? i mean i even got bored reading about your "interests". good god.
Economic globalization get outa here
It's not about treating them like children, it's about not treating them like men. Logical, thought-provoking conversations are for men. Vapid, trivial conversations are for women.
Even if the woman brings up a topic regarding politics or anything of that caliber, using logic and reasoning will only bore them since they cannot process the topic from that perspective. Best to just nod along and switch to something trivial, like astrology.
Guys, I'm going to come right out and say it: the problem isn't with them, the problem is YOU. You can literally talk to women on a first date about any topic imaginable, but you have to bring more to the table than just your intellect. You need to also have wit, charm, imagination, creativity, and empathy. You need to engage their emotions and imaginations, make the topic relevant to themselves and their experiences, and most importantly wrap it all up in a fun, playful and engaging time out with you. Otherwise you're just going to bore the shit out of them.
Masters degrees! Wow! Sounds more like these women were turned off because your 'intellectual discussions' and 'scholarly observations' were too low caliber for them. Next time don't bite off more than you can chew lol.
This has been the number one lesson I've had in 2017.
It's a painful truth but one I can attest to being true. Well-worded observation.
she'll behave how you want to behave. you decide what kind of women you let into your life. i only invest my time on women who have a clue wtf i'm saying, and actually appreciate my words and ideas. you can enjoy your pump and dumps with mindless fuckmeat if it's important to you to get your count up for whatever reason, but it's much more worth it to find women you can have a modicum of respect for.
Treat them like little pets. Little babies.
Can someone explain if this is true in every case?
I currently only interact with women in a professional / academic environment. I think its possible to treat them like regular adults where buisness is concerned and no-one is trying to build attraction. Maybe I'm wrong though.
Nothing is definite when it comes to women. Yes for the majority it probably works. But just like 90% of women want to be submissive, theres also a chance they dont
No wonder I'm so bad with women; I've hardly had any interaction with kids!
I think once you bang them, then bring the serious conversation in. Or if its getting serious, just tease it for a minute but then make it sexual
They are so used to being treated like children and not being responsible for their actions that being treated like adults turns them off.
I have always said.... if you want to deal with women successfully first buy a book on child psychology.
Any advice on how to treat them like children?
Give them candy and take them to the play place at McDonalds
I have dated my fair share of women and have found this advice to be mostly true.
Being playful and goofy with them is far more effective than trying to have an intellectual conversation.
It isn't applicable to 100% of women 100% of the time, though. But a good rule of thumb. Also if you can show the girl that you are capable of having intellectual conversations it can be helpful (ideally converse with another man or woman).
The girl I am dating now is very red pill (without knowing what it is) and is a professional (veterinarian). She is from a traditional culture and basically wants to be controlled and punished and subservient because it makes her feel good. Despite being a very intelligent professional, if you heard my conversations with her you would think we're in high school. She straight up tells me she doesn't want to ever discuss work or politics and she would rather talk about celebrities and personal drama instead.
If I try to talk about anything intellectual she clearly loses interest if I can't get the point across after 15 seconds.
In what ways would you socialize with them like a child?
What kind of language and expressions does one use with women?
ITT: people still shocked women are fucking animals and are ruled by hormones, and they have sex drives and stuff.
That just happens to be true: an intellectual lawyer/doctor woman still has hormones ruling herself and a sex drive that responds to a Chad and gets tingles and wants to fuck said Chad. What do you want? Getting fucked or intellectual conversations?
god so much this. I've had dates with women who were extremely intelligent in the same engineering field as me. I would talk about new innovate ideas/technologies and see their poonannies dry up in real time. like what the fuck?
Then I'd go on dates with these same girls and just shoot the shit/talk about pop culture/etc and get a lay.
its f'ing ridiculous.
Yo what the hell, my phone is acting up.
I must be such a weird nerd. (Not trying to argue your main point, because I've observed it in many women). I talk to my boyfriend about politics all the time, and there's nothing I love discussing more than culture. Of course I value our playful banter too, but I like that we can bounce ideas off of each other.
This post sounds so mysoginistic i laughed pretty hard. So perhaps a good strategy is to very briefly allude to intellectual pursuits, but always find ways to pull back to topics that are funny and possibly seductive... that way you show high status, but are actually fun to be around.
I guess it depends on what your goals are. I literally fell in love with someone when he started talking about his work.:: like if I can pinpoint a moment that would be it. It just made me realize he was brilliant and took so much pride in it. I didn't understand 90% of what he was saying because I'm not a mathematician but I was completely impressed and floored with how he thought.
But...If your goal is sex, yeah your strategy works pretty well.
Interested in how exactly you were acting like a middle schooler
This sentiment is disgusting. Why would you want to have sex with one of these ignoramuses? Are you entirely unaware of your context? YOU SHOULD BE RAGING, NOT LIVING FOR THE TINGLY PEEPEE VAGINEY FEEL LIKE SOME CHILD.
Hmm, seems I've hit the golden girl, then. My girlfriend actively encourages discussions about political, social and economic events, particularly feminism and all this gender nonsense that is running rampant. I can't recall ever speaking to her like a child, except when I call her fuzzy and spam her inbox with the ':3' face because honestly, I like to act childish towards her sometimes.
She is, however, my first girlfriend, so I am at a loss of words if what OP says is true about a majority of women.
Hey how about this.
YOU POST A FUCKING FR OF YOU TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN INSTEAD OF SHIT WE ALREADY FUCKING KNOW SO WE CAN LEARN WHAT TO DO INSTEAD OF WHAT NOT TO DO YOU USELESS PIECE OF SHIT