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If You're Struggling With Women its for 1 Reason and 1 Reason Only. Here's How to Fix That

by ShitsWithTheDoorOpen on /r/TheRedPill
02 March 2017 08:24 PM UTC

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This is one of those lesson you have to learn OVER and OVER again. This is THE core truth about masculinity.

Ever heard of the phrase "You can't make pussy your mission"? This comes from two ideas, one that men have to have a mission, they have to be on their purpose, and two DON'T PUT THE PUSSY ON A PEDESTAL.

Before RP even existed, about 10 years ago I first got into seduction. Literally if any of you fuckers remember, sedfast. I was on that bitch. I was learning, voraciously reading about mirroring, pacing and leading, tonality, body language, escalation ladder, GFTOW, inner game, reframing, holding frame, be the prize, etc. etc. and I'll tell you what. THAT SHIT WORKED. It worked like a fucking charm. I went from virgin to fucking swimming in pussy in a very short time. First couple years of college was absolute slay day. The seduction shit was money, but there was a crucial flaw in it, or rather in how I APPROACHED IT, and therefore how I approached TRP, and any other Male improvement lifestyle work.


I got into this as almost all of us do. As an unsuccessful, sexually frustrated, angry fucking dude. The goal was to learn about women and how to pull their strings so I GET WHAT I WANT from these stupid hoes. AND YES it worked,...for a time. Then I started getting older, and still fucking hoes but I had to ask myself a question. WHO THE FUCK AM I? Better put; what is masculinity?

See I was looking at masculinity through the frame of the female perspective this whole time, I was trying to gain qualities that women would find attractive and because I approached it that way, somewhere deep in my mind I was thinking that was the extent of masculinity; an object of female desire, with no greater inherent purpose or value. With this frame, you are gonna get REAL SICK of women, and game. No matter how many 10s you pull, SHE AINT WORTH YOUR FUCKIN SOUL BRO. She isnt worth your identity, your integrity, your motherfuckin PURPOSE in this world. This is exactly why dudes go MGTOW. Because they are looking at the frame through the female perspective. It's time we flip that shit on its head.


First of all, masculinity is not defined by what women want out of men. Masculinity is not defined by what the state wants out of men, or your parents, or your boss, or the church, or the media. MASCULINITY IS WHAT MEN WANT OUT OF OTHER MEN. Men have always worked in packs to achieve their mission. We hunt in small groups, we go to war in fireteams. We form ourselves in tribes. So being a MAN, was and has always been about what men want from their team members. What you want from the dude to your right and left when you're sweeping an enemy hold out. When you're hunting dangerous wild game and the tribe hasn't eaten well in 2 days. When the job needs to get FUCKING DONE. Enter the masculine ethos:

  1. Courage - Not flinching in the face of fear.
  2. Honor - Accountability, living by a code, being reliable and unchanging based on emotion or circumstance.
  3. Loyalty - The Pack and the Mission are above all. Any one member would die for the pack.
  4. Strength - Physical Strength. Being able to move things or resist other things moving you.

This is what you are. Even if you have no fireteam, no small group of men to trust in and help each other stay on purpose, you have your ancestors, a spiritual fireteam, whom you need to fucking honor. If the men from thousands of years ago, looked down upon your lazy, incongruent, little bitch ass, you would bring shame upon your entire lineage. Inside of you is hundreds of thousands of years of living virtue. These virtues are etched into your soul. THAT is what masculinity is. THAT is why we do self development. THAT is why we go "monk mode". That is why we conquer ourselves and choose struggle and strife over and over again until in that fire of chaos we forge and reforge and battle test our character BECAUSE THATS WHO THE FUCK WE ARE: MEN. Latin; Vir = Man. Virtus = Manliness. Masculinity is by definition virtue. We develop virtue because thats what we are. And we do it to honor ourselves, our team of close male friends, and our ancestors themselves. A male who does not develop his masculine virtues is not a man, Man must chisel himself out of nothing to become something, to become himself.



EDIT: Some dudes are butthurt I didn't cite Jack Donovan in the post explicitly, just down in the comments so here you go. Disclaimer: This post borrowed concepts from the book The Way of Men. Specifically the 4 tactical virtues also stuff about masculinity in general. If you like this post go buy that book. It's must read material about the origins of masculinity.

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Title If You're Struggling With Women its for 1 Reason and 1 Reason Only. Here's How to Fix That
Author ShitsWithTheDoorOpen
Upvotes 890
Comments 110
Date 02 March 2017 08:24 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/41367
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5x5p6c/if_youre_struggling_with_women_its_for_1_reason/
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0 upvotesEpicLevelCheater3 years ago

This is an excellent theory piece with a clear, actionable message. Well done.

Pointing you for this submission.

135 upvotesgecko4083 years ago

Preach. Ive always said if youre imrpoving yourself to attract better women, you're still putting that poon tang on a pedestal.

What you write about reminds me of the eight virtues of Bushido. The way of the Samurai.

upvotessketchyuser3 years ago

Isn't there something to it though? A millionaire 10 isn't just going to date an average dude.. most likely. Jared Kushner didn't get Ivanka because he's an average masculine dude. Dude is loaded too and became quite successful.

Sure you can find the rare anecdote for a plumber with a 10 but we can't really base our life around highly rare scenarios, right?

I'm sincerely asking because I know I have a lot to learn.

18 upvotesgecko4083 years ago

My friend, you just need game to pick up women.

Yes looking good naked and looking fashionable will open the doors to more attractive women.

But any man who is bettering himself (which is much more than what's on the outside) soley for women means women have a strangle hold on his life.

You should want to better yourself for reasons waaay beyond women. I like fast cars. I like boats. I like hiking and camping. I like stupid michelin restaurants and Japanese whiskey. So I work my ass off to enjoy these things and not worry about money. I lift weights because it makes me feel great. It makes me look great. Fun easy hot women are just another toy.

If youre looking to eventually have a ltr maybe your views are different.

24 upvotesfailingtheturingtest3 years ago

The post and the comment you responded to were both about improving yourself, but NOT for the sake of getting a better woman.

Your response is to ask about increasing the chances of getting a higher quality woman.

Almost every other thread in TRP covers that. Let this one NOT be about getting women for a change.

13 upvotesWolfofAnarchy3 years ago

See what's wrong with your comment? Read the post again. The post says to be a man, and to focus on yourself. Not on women.

Your entire comment is around '10s' and 'women'. Stop that.

Think about it differently. Yes, Jared Kushner bangs Ivanka. No, he's not a bodybuilder. But that's not the point of the post. He's also insanely powerful right now, is VERY smart and is well connected in the White House. THAT is important, not that the woman around his dick is a 10!

I'm not dismissing Ivanka, but I'm saying that you need to get your priorities straight.

-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Should he dumped Ivanka and marry a 20 year year old? in a couple years maybe right.

17 upvotesWolfofAnarchy3 years ago

No. He should continue doing whatever makes him happy and whatever he feels improves his life. Not going after other women.

Get it out of your brain that the only goal you have is pussy, ffs

upvoteswayc00ljr3 years ago

Thank you. That's the one thing that RPers seem to miss which becomes borderline abuse of women. That's why I don't believe AWALT. It's more like MWALT= Most Women Are Like That. But NOT all! There are great women out there but they are few and far between. But they do exist.

14 upvoteschaosmech3 years ago

There's been many pieces written on what we mean by AWALT. AWALT does not mean All Women Will DO That, it just means all women have the capacity to do that. They all can do that.

In a similar fashion, when dealing with firearms, for the sake of safety you say "All firearms are loaded". Does that mean they're all actually loaded? No, but you treat them as though they are, because the consequences if you are wrong are too dire. The same with women. If you treat the woman as a goddess but she's actually just a washed-up post-wall hoe, you're in for some serious shit. And even the "good women" can still dump your ass, cheat on you, or divorce rape you if you're not a high quality man.

So, what do you do? Rather than take the chance that this one woman won't cheat on you/dump you/divorce rape you, you head that shit off at the pass, you take note of red flags, and you be a fucking high-quality man who takes care of his own shit and doesn't cater to her feeeeeeelz.

upvotesJohn_MayerMaynot3 years ago

It's not that you're a beta. It's that you don't really know what AWALT means. It isn't telling you that you won't meet a woman that is entirely great. It's telling you that all women have a certain nature and it gives you options for dealing with that nature.

1 upvotesTangoZulu3 years ago

AWALT was never meant to be taken as an indisputable truth, rather as a simple maxim for men to remember.

maxim noun a brief expression of a general truth, principle, or rule of conduct

The point isn't that all women are actually like that; it's that all women have the propensity to be like that. It's a reminder for men to always protect themselves, to never completely let their guard down. The flaw in using MWALT is that, while perhaps closer to the truth, it fails as general maxim because it is in men's nature to want to believe that their woman is somehow special and different from the rest, yet the point of the maxim is to remind us that she may not be.

1 upvotesSilverWolfeBlade3 years ago

I suppose you haven't been around that long then.

AWALT, given the right circumstances.

There is no such thing as a unicorn - this is our unflinching and undeniable truth.

All Women indeed Are Like That.

3 upvotesGongShanks3 years ago

Plumbers make very good money. Just saying.

1 upvotessketchyuser3 years ago

For not requiring college, they do. But 1) it ain't glamorous at all, 2) it has a limit on compensation, maybe a super star plumber can pull in 100-120k. Thats gonna be the top, they're never going to break away and make 300k.

2 upvotesGongShanks3 years ago

But they aren't going to have 100k in student loans either.

It isn't glamorous. It's just a very sound job path. Not everybody wants to be movie star.

2 upvotesvengefully_yours3 years ago

A millionaire 10 isn't just going to date an average dude.

So fucking what. Just because you fuck her doesn't mean you're better due to her spreading her legs. She does not raise you in status, the reason why she doesn't date fat losers in mom's basement is because they sit raise her status. A rich good looking dude will, so he gets chased by her. She is not the fucking prize.

It also increases your chances to meet higher quality women if you improve yourself to the point of being constantly around high quality people because you yourself are high quality.

It's fallacious to think there are higher quality girls out there. They are all sluts, they are all capable of the same fucked up shit, they will all dump you if you're not a leader of a better leader comes along. Sure they might have expensive tastes, they might not be from a trailer park, but in the end they have the same fucking wiring in their heads. Some are better than others when it comes to restraint about hopping on random cocks, but no "class" of girl ever wasn't a slut for me. Money doesn't make you hot, but she will make you feel that way to get money out of you.

You hang around experienced quality men because they will teach you something useful, and they might open a door that you never knew was there. Hanging around girls only makes you weak to other men. Girls are playthings, not resources or opportunities.

5 upvotesLook_Ma_Im_On_Reddit3 years ago

Do you think he is plowing Ivanka every night?

5 upvotesronsoness3 years ago

it's a big mystery how the social dynamics work once you're at that high a level in society. i sometimes think of the marriage as an alliance in some ways -- it's like game of thrones in that you should marry someone with just as high status as you do. they're both so busy, esp. now that they're the presidential family, it's hard to see them making sex a priority.

-3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I think it's funny, everybody wants to fuck better people so why is it only wrong when women do it

-8 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

If men and woman have different and opposing mating strategies then how is it wrong? because the whining on these boards about how women are like so are less stating plan facts and more whiny name calling. The implication behind the tone of the commenters if not the red pill articles themselves, is that modern society is favoring women and disadvantaging the majority of men, how is that a legitimate complaint if it is how nature intended?

And, if there is something to the idea of male and female sexuality being out of sync and incompatible ( women reach sexual maturity at 30, men at adolescence) then perhaps homosexuality plays a part, maybe men are meant to be having more sex with each other then they are. I'm not joking, if you are serious about your pet theory you should be investigating more.

6 upvoteschaosmech3 years ago

If men and woman have different and opposing mating strategies then how is it wrong? because the whining on these boards about how women are like so are less stating plan facts and more whiny name calling. The implication behind the tone of the commenters if not the red pill articles themselves, is that modern society is favoring women and disadvantaging the majority of men, how is that a legitimate complaint if it is how nature intended?

Because it's deceptive, and intentionally so. Blue Pill society says "treat a woman like a princess and she'll be faithful to you forever." "Oh don't worry about her past, it's totally fine that she fucked 150 guys before you. She loves only you now!" "Women don't want jerks, they want good guys who'll bow down and worship them!"

Except none of those things are remotely true, and it's destroyed our society. Yes, men and womens' sexual strategies are fundamentally at odds, but the one decent compromise we had (monogamous marriage) has been utterly annihilated in favor of feminine-imperative cucking of men. She'll say she wants the Beta Bux good guy, all the while choking on Alpha Fux bad boy's dick. If women were straightforward about what they wanted it would be a different story. And the worst part is that the men in power continue to advance this strategy to their own (and many others') detriment.

Women are more unhappy than ever before, because feminism says women should be like men. And men are disgusting pathetic sexless losers (on the whole) now, because society has told them to be more like women. If you want to talk about what nature intends, let's talk about men being as men are supposed to be (aggressive, forward, masculine, strong, and dominant), and women being as women are supposed to be (passive, receptive, feminine, beautiful, and submissive). Feminism is destroying all of that in order to advance the AF/BB prime directive of feminine sexual strategy.

TL;DR- Feminism is anti-nature.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

We want superior alpha genes to get passed on right? the current batch of weaker men will not necessarily go without women...just their lack of reproductive fitness being culled is good and benefits society. It is pretty weird what nature intended would be detrimental to civilization, the uber sluts are the most feminine of all in this paradigm because they are in tune with their true nature.

3 upvotesSovereignSoul763 years ago

Okay, let's ignore the second paragraph, which is...batshit insane, and allow me to respond to the first paragraph:

Having a competing sexual strategy is not wrong, and in TRP community you will hear this a lot: it is AMORAL. What is wrong is pretend and promote that one strategy (woman's) is something that it is not. Both women and BP men push this idea that women are oppressed, benevolent beings, while simultaneously capable of doing everything men are capable of. So that's wrong, but not harmful. When it becomes harmful is when it is implemented in societal norms, and worse yet, law. And it is driven forward under the false pretense of "equality".

Egalitarianism says that everybody should be treated equally. Agreed. Everyone should be afforded the same basic human rights. But it also says that people should be treated equally BECAUSE WE ARE ALL INHERENTLY EQUAL. Well tell you what, go get into a fist fight Brock Lesnar, or play chess against Kasparov, or race Usain Bolt, and tell me how that works out for you.

True RP thinkers do not hate women because they are hypergamous. Common misconception. But don't distort the truth! The real Judas is the BP man who believes, and actively promotes these falsehoods to his fellow men, under the hopes of getting laid.

Is it how "nature intended"? Not sure, but that's how it currently stands, so I suppose for the time being: yes. But whereas it heavily favors the feminine agenda, I would say it's not sustainable. Tides ebb and they flow...

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Why not promote and favor the feminine agenda? do we not want superior alpha genes passed on? doesn't mean the current weak species of men will necessarily go without wife's, even produce a child or two just not in abundance because we don't want that.

1 upvotesOu-tis3 years ago

did you read the article,or do you want just make some polemics?

31 upvotesHumanInTheRaw3 years ago

Excellent post my friend.

This is the path to fulfillment. As you said we are the result of hundreds of thousands of years of strength, fortitude, and grit.

Survival of the fittest is our direct lineage. Men these days (and women for that matter) are a mere shell of what our ancestors were.

But that biological programming is still there under your slouched back and soft delicate skin..

This is a huge part of why so many people are depressed these days. The modern lifestyle is only but the blink of an eye on the timeline of history.

Our minds are so full of all this extra unnecessarily complicated shit that we need in order to function in this lost society that we forget or flat out ignore our base instincts.

The more we are able to align ourselves with this basic biological programming, the more fulfilled we will feel.

Happiness comes and goes in waves.

Achieving true fulfillment is something that can never be taken away from you.

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Men have always looked to the heroes of old for inspiration, For Caesar, it was Alexander the Great. For Alexander the Great, it was Achilles. For Achilles it was the gods.

2 upvotesdresdonbogart3 years ago

Don't forget that Alexander the Great was a student of Aristotle, who was a student of Plato, who was a student of Socrates. They all lived up to their mentor.

1 upvotesWe_Are_Legion3 years ago

Its also worth remembering that Alexander's martial prowess and manliness also had inspiration from Aristotle, Plato and Socrates... who were all great examples of masculine virtue and strength and not just weak, old philosophers.

51 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

My squad in the USMC has a creedo we live by, even as many of us are no longer active duty. "The strength of the pack is the wolf. The strength of the wolf is the pack." Every one of us held each other to a standard, in combat and in life. And we still do. Society would say we're barbarians. Brutes. But fuck society. Fuck there view of masculinity.

15 upvotesKalidane3 years ago

Somewhere at home I've a two page print out of USMC values. Perhaps taken from some leadership or officers manual. Fucking epic. Got no traction with my corporate manager. I left soon after.

7 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

I know exactly the documentation you speak of. Kinda gets beat into your head from basic well into when you're deployed. I've been inactive since 2012, but you never lose the mentality. My squad are my brothers, and we still keep each other sharp well after we came home. I hold them accountable to represent the corps and be exemplary men, as do I expect them to do the same for me.

16 upvotesRetiredTimeHo3 years ago

That's from the new Jungle Book movie...

6 upvotesJFMX19963 years ago

Or just a quote that's been around for years.

3 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

You'd be correct. But allow the "cub" to think his snarky comment made a difference. Gives him purpose his life clearly lacks.

3 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

In your attempt to be a snarky prick, you made yourself look like an idiot. Quite an accomplishment. The quote is in the new Jungle Book movie, because it was first in a poem written by Rudyard Kipling...author of the actual book, before he wrote The Jungle Book. The poem is called "Law for the wolves". (Google it. I'd post the link, but I'd rather you excersize that feeble lil' brain of yours.)

It's a reference to the Darwinism and the concept of "might equals right". And the quote itself has existed for over 133 years. So yes, while your right about it being in the recent film adaptation, you clearly did no research on the quote before making an atypically beta comment.


2 upvotesRetiredTimeHo3 years ago

Yeah I actually looked up the poem after I saw the movie last year.

Still doesn't follow since I've never seen it associated with the armed forces.

Act more butthurt though.

1 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

It's not associated with Armed Forces as a whole, hence is why I said It's the creedo of my squad. Last I check, 8 marines aren't the bulk of the entire force. But please, continue making yourself look like a complete buffoon. It's actually kinda entertaining.

And the very term "butthurt" is about the most beta expression ever made. Seriously. If you're gonna try and insult someone, at least try to say something that insights anger in then. I literally laughed out loud when I read that. But not the funny joke kind. More so laugh you make when you witness someone make their best effort at something and fail categorically.

Stay classy, kid. Go lift.

1 upvotesRetiredTimeHo3 years ago

You flew off the handle at a random comment on the internet. I'm also a veteran and I bet I can outlift you lol.

You need to keep your emotion in check my first comment to your post about the poem wasn't even malicious. The fact that it bothered you so much says a lot about you.

1 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

I'm also a veteran and I bet I can outlift you lol.<

Beta as fuck, dude. Seriously.

The fact that it bothered you so much says a lot about you.<

Bothered? By some rando on the internet? You give yourself way to much credit, fella.

I'm done with this convo.

1 upvotesNeed2LickMuff3 years ago

"The strength of the pack is the wolf. The strength of the wolf is the pack."

Easy there, Mowgli.

2 upvotesOz70NYC3 years ago

Quote is from a poem Ridyard Kipling wrote years before he penned The Jungle Book in reference to Darwinism. Been coined in military for over a century. You'd know this if you did even the slightest bit of research. But I digress. So I'll answer in a way that fits your effort.

"Herp derp derpiddy derp."

28 upvotesPtolemySpinola3 years ago

Sounds like someone read "The Way of Men"

17 upvotesShitsWithTheDoorOpen [OP]3 years ago

Yes. I don't take credit for these ideas. I just put my own spin on them and speak about my experiences with them.

upvotesroeddit3 years ago

You talk about "Honor" but don't give credit. Anyways, decent post, we need explicit posts about masculinity.

13 upvotesShitsWithTheDoorOpen [OP]3 years ago

Lol fuck off. The comment you responded to is literally me giving credit to The Way of Men

10 upvotesLazysaurus3 years ago

Yep, reads exactly like cliff notes

4 upvotesEatmyShorts593 years ago

I have cliff notes to this book if anyone is interested.

The Way of Men by Jack Donovan


6 upvotesAscended_One3 years ago

You forgot to tell us to put some fucking epic music into the background before reading this because it felt like one of those speeches commanders give their soldiers before going to battle.

8 upvotescirclhat3 years ago

I Disagree, it seems we don't treat seduction skills as something seperate but rather a by product, it's like saying study business if you want to learn to play guitar.

Seduction and dating are two separate skills, knowing yourself, masculinity is another skill set.

Women won't make you happy, just like money won't but living without them is pretty shitty. What I'm trying to say there is a time for yourself, a time to play, a time for women and a time for work.

25 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

You ripped off Jack Donovan and "The Way of Men" almost verbatim. There is nothing wrong with providing summaries, but at least throw him a bone and cite his books.

We don't need any more "pump up" threads on this fucking sub. On my other account, I subbed here at less 1,000 members. TRP was intellectual back then and highly actionable.

Keep your "bro pep rallies" to yourself.

10 upvotesECTD3 years ago

This is the Homo sapien version of chest-beating and knuckle dragging. OP can't write a quality contribution correctly and thus dilutes the quality material here with sub-par swill just to get upvotes like a cock-mongering women.

3 upvotesJFMX19963 years ago

It's funny you can't see the value in this.

This is more than some chest beating, but something that offers key insights into masculinity and being a better man and changing your mindset.

Don't like it, sign the fuck off.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I'm not going to sign the fuck off. This sub used to be populated by guys like Rollo and RPS. Now, dipshits are rolling in here -- turning it into a male version of Cosmo.

3 upvotesreal_bbc_history3 years ago

Good post. One important addition.

A man's honor is only meant for his brothers, by blood or by choice or by oath, and other honorable men, which may include honorable enemies if they are truly honorable and have deeds or feats deserving of respect and honor.

A man's honor has to be intelligent honor and is not meant for despicable dishonorable people because they deserve no such thing and having naive honor may endanger your family, your clan and even your nation to the horrors of murder, torture, humiliation and rape of your loved ones at the hands of dishonorable ravenous wolves. Naive stupidity-driven honor has even resulted in numerous extinctions of an entire peoples. See taqiyya from thereligionofpeace site with the extension of /pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

A true man must be able to adapt. There is a saying that a true man can submit or can stand tall as required, which means a man must be flexible.

1 upvotesreal_bbc_history3 years ago

If you downvoted this post, please step up like a man to explain your downvote. You, that one person.

Standing up for your POV in open debate is Virtus Manliness that takes courage, honor and strength. Be virtue. Become a man.

Hiding behind a downvote means the lack of virtue, courage, honor, strength, and manliness. Cowardice, dishonor, weakness and being a pussy are evils we should not fall into.

3 upvotesOilyB3 years ago

Great, great post, defining masculine values like this. I agree, know thyself, only then can you select a companion that fits your features and personality. Not the other way around.

I often use the symbolic example of the erect penis vs the vagina - the vagina needs, wants to adapt to the erect penis, not the other way around. The vagina says 'tell me how far you want me to stretch'. Never heard of a dick trying to change itself to fit the pussy....

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

TRP's progress is interesting. Not too long ago there were posts about how to be dark triad. Now there are posts about courage, honor, loyalty and strength, to be virtuous.

upvoteschickenwings953 years ago

You say to stop living for women, but your title contradicts by saying we should be masculine because we are struggling with women

8 upvotesWolfofAnarchy3 years ago

Yes, that's odd, BUT, many people here are still living for women, so they would be attracted to this post, and then get redpilled af with the content. I guess it makes sense.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

So what do the men on here want? a wife or a rotating cycle of poontag? why isn't prostitution good enough? if too much dick lowers a woman's value then every time you fuck a women your destroying another man's chance at a wife. Is casual sex good or bad? If you want to live in a patriarchy you can't be sleeping around, it's not the sexual revolution for men but not for women, that's not how it works.

1 upvotesMuscleMaturity3 years ago

Prostitution is illegal many places

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

true but If you were more masculine you'd take more risks and have more sex. Why should society care about you betas, it is in the best interest of society that the superior alpha genes get passed on.

9 upvotesbyronb083 years ago

Y'all need to cut back on the creatine.

4 upvotesscissor_me_timbers003 years ago

Reppin creatine for life krew checkin in

2 upvotesstrikethrough1233 years ago

I agree with the overall message of this post that you shouldn't put pussy on a pedestal. However, you say that "it was all about them" (a form of putting pussy on the pedestal) yet you still managed to find success.

Note that it was only AFTER you satisfied your desire for pussy that you wanted to achieve more. The reason why you were able to slay was because of the various forms of game you learned. Given that your desire to achieve more came after the fact, I doubt that all problems with women can be fixed by adopting that mindset.

Overall, you slayed because of the game that you learned, not because of the mindset described in this post.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Did he really though? if he is posting on here then isn't his emotional life still in some way revolving around women?

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago
  • "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things (accomplishments and aspirations), not because they are easy, but because they are hard"


2 upvotes6d65746164656c74613 years ago

Good post. Our purpose is to discuss sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. To accomplish that we must talk not only about game (sexual strategy), but also about masculinity (positive identity for men).

If you liked this post read The Way of Men, by Jack Donovan. It is a great short book about the origins of masculinity.

upvotessadguy883 years ago

Anyone who needs to say "fucking" every sentence is obviously not a real man. Turn in your balls, boy.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Language Nazis!

Anyone else support banning this dolt?

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I think there might be something to what he's saying though. I've noticed my own need to say certain words so that what I'm saying sounds modern yet the words themselves are actually useless.

upvotessadguy883 years ago

What makes me a dolt? Getting annoyed by gamers who need to feel tough by cursing all the time?

2 upvotesrp_newdawn3 years ago

Quality fucking post as usual SWTDO.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

Shifting the masculinity frame from her to you is literally the keys to the handcuffs of oppression.

Yes most of us began looking for tricks fool women into fucking us. A few enlightened men just decided to put in the work to be the man women want rather than pose as such a man

Great job making the exact connection where MGTOW goes very wrong. They decide skipping dinner, lifting, and personal growth is extremely hard and women arent worth it.

That part is true, bitches arent worth the effort, BUT YOU ARE.

Love yourself as its the only true love a man will find (except maybe from dogs)

1 upvotesShitsWithTheDoorOpen [OP]3 years ago

That part is true, bitches arent worth the effort, BUT YOU ARE.

EXACTLY. This is what MGTOW and a lot of dudes in general seem to miss. It's not about the women, its about YOU.

2 upvotesFat_Fucking_Lenny3 years ago

Masculinity is what men want of other men.

I disagree. For me, personally, masculinity is a value system that is based on YOUR own perspective. Not one that is based on others' point of view. That is not to say that you cannot absorb someone else's ideas. Just that all other values/philosophies are filtered through your own, I.e., not being a sheep.

You must also constantly add/refine your values based on the current reality, otherwise you will become self deluded.

1 upvotesChadThundercockII3 years ago

Fuck!!! There is always a fucker who disappoints me because I found he lacks one those virtues. A sudden anger takes over me when I see faggy behavior. Maybe the ultimate goal for me, from now on, is form a group of men who are strong, disciplined and reliable. Maybe that is what I need now.

OP, how would you go about it?

1 upvotesChromeJester3 years ago

Jesus Christ preach man!! This is one of the best posts on here.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

fuck yeh. well said. on a side note this is why team sports can have a very positive impact on a man. earn respect from your brothers and become athletic then when you win that premiership there must be no sweeter feeling. for the glory!

1 upvotesPissedPajamas3 years ago

There's this meme on alt pages that goes:

2016: "here's a picture of your grandpa back then"

pulls out a 1950's portrait of a well groomed, well dressed, muscular man with a DGAF facial expression

2070: "here's a picture of your grandpa back then"

pulls out a picture on an effeminate man in a cat suit drinking milk from a dog bowl with a leash on

I think that sums up what's wrong with the world nowadays

1 upvotesjuunnioorrr3 years ago

With this frame, you are gonna get REAL SICK of women, and game. No matter how many 10s you pull, SHE AINT WORTH YOUR FUCKIN SOUL BRO. She isnt worth your identity, your integrity, your motherfuckin PURPOSE in this world.

This is so true. At the begginning of my RP journey, I used to do everything I saw on this sub and did it bring me success? Very much so. I'm not an ugly kid so once I learned the game, I was having a blast. until I realized that I had no real purpose if not but to keep chasing pussy (endlessly swipping on tinder instead of going to bed for example) or going to a club and feeling sad for not brining home someone.

But then, I realized that I had a purpose. I had this longing inside of me for a really long time to be great. To be someone, people looked up to, to be a productive member of society. I know I want to get out of the job that have and start my own business, I have places I want to travel to, I have a country which I want to rule one day (story for another time) and once I realized this pussy became so isignificant to me. I no longer make it my mission but rather a side effect of lifting weights because I feel good doing it and dressing well for the same reasons.

A lot of newbies get their dicsk hard because they see all the crazy shit you can do if you read all those posts. But I think it's necessary in some part to go through this phase and realize TRP is way more than gaming and having sex with women.

Great post.

1 upvotesfur10us_falcon3 years ago

As a 27 year old virgin how do I stop putting it on a pedestal?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Holy shit. Epic. If anyone reads my comment history, this is the shit right here

1 upvotesStefto3 years ago

First of all.. I love your user username. As secondly a very good read, masculinity is a very good topic and this one describes it pretty well in my opinion.

1 upvotesKoryphae_3 years ago

Great post, whether it is a work of somebody else or not, it does not matter. This is what actually benefits to the mindset of us, Thanks for bringing it to us.

1 upvotesanonymouspolitical3 years ago

anonymouspolitical• 1d Billy was a boy with no arms, but he still loved to play with the neighborhood kids. When they played baseball, he was the umpire. When they played cops and robbers, he was the 2nd best robber any of them had ever seen. When they played catch, he made amazing catches. But no matter how successful Billy was, Billy couldn't feel like he was a part of the group because they never would take his accomplishments seriously. So Billy went to a local pillar of the community, who asked Billy what was wrong, and comforted him as best he could. Afterward, Billy was happier than he had ever been, and when he returned to the group of friends, they couldn't help but ask why Billy was so happy. Billy replied, beaming, that the pastor had made him feel better. The other boys asked what he had told Billy. The pastor had told Billy that out of all of the boys, he was his favorite and to always remember that even the boy with no arms can give the best head if he sets his mind to it.

0 upvotes • [deleted] • 3 years ago

I've never heard a women refer to dating men as "catching all the dicks" I thought we were filthy sluts? maybe you should think of women as individual human beings, that would solve this "pedestal" thing your always talking about doing.

1 upvotesDragon_Garoo3 years ago

Really? You've never heard anything like that? I know someone who once told me "My dick game was so much more fluid last year, I don't know what's wrong."

0 upvotesawalt_cupcake3 years ago

ok but do you fuck as many girls now as you did in your PUA days? How has the quality of women changed with these lens as opposed in the past?

9 upvotesr4bbl3d4bbl33 years ago

Bro, you are missing the point of his post. Don't put the pussy on the pedestal, forget women altogether, real men fuck other men.

1 upvotesawalt_cupcake3 years ago

lmao you're right I've been doing sex wrong

0 upvotescanttouchdieser3 years ago

● Talks about honor. ● "Literally if any one of you fuckers remember..."

-1 upvotessadbasturd993 years ago

Title says one reason. Several paragraphs of nonsense follow. I am none the wiser. Did this asshole actually say anything ?

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