If you become an MGTOW, how do you decide which "way" to go?

MGTOWJayJay · 2019-07-23T00:48:21+00:00

Welcome young grasshopper. Let me assist you.

1) MGTOW is more of a philosophy on how to live life instead of a movement. This is a very important one, a political movement is defined as a organized social group operating to achieve a certain goal. MGTOW does not operate in such a manner. At it's very essence it's a bunch of guys who've adopted a new way of living life. They don't seek to change the status quo, but instead opt out of whatever society expects them to do.

2) MGTOWS are not just bitter men who cant get a date. A lot of women think this is what MGTOW is all about. If this is you too, guess what? You're wrong. Some of the first MGTOWs were divorced men. Men stuck paying alimony to a cheating ex wife who divorced him. Men screwed over sideways in family courts for child custody. Then it spread to men in marriages who were downright miserable with the way their wives treated them. Then it spread to men in relationships that were fed up with the dating world and how they were expected to act, despite being taken advantage of by women. Some of these men have been in abusive relationships. Then finally is spread to the young single guys in their 20's. It's not that MGTOWS cant get a date, they just don't want to. They've taken a good logical look at dating, marriage, and they way divorce courts treat them. At that point they decided to say “screw this i'm out”.

3) MGTOWS are not social hermits. Females seem to think that a MGTOW is some guy living his mom's basement who refuses to leave and live life. In a Youtube video called ”Dear Men” by Alexanda Blue she mention that guys were isolating themselves from society. MGTOWS don't isolate themselves they just don’t conform to society. They have friends, they most definitely have hobbies, they have family, they have good jobs, and they have fun. Calling them hermits is seriously missing the mark.

4) MGTOW's are very content with their lifestyle. They have good jobs, a lot of them have their own business. They have time and luxury to pursue dreams and hobbies. Since a lot of MGTOWS don't have to support a family, a lot of their money turns into disposable income. A lot of MGTOWS will tell you themselves that they live very peaceful, orderly lives. Which brings me to my next point 5) Insulting or shaming MGTOW does jack squat. People who dislike MGTOW really can't seem to come to terms with this. All the time you the see them telling MGTOWS to “man up!” or say that they have “peter pan syndrome”. The reason why none of this works against a MGTOW is because you fail to see things the way the see it. To a MGTOW settling down means giving up all of your hobbies, your awesome life style, and pursuing your dreams, for a life of monotony. Even more so, “manning up” would mean entering in to a marriage where he could potentially lose at least half his assets (car, house, kids, etc.) in the event of a divorce. From a logical standpoint, trying to shame a MGTOW into settling down is pointless.

6)They're not all anti-feminist they just couldn't care less about women's rights, issues, etc. Now, don't get me wrong some of MGTOWS are anti-feminist. The rest of them could just care less. If MRA's and feminists were to have a debate, MGTOWS wouldn't even bother to show up much less get out of bed. If you're trying to rally a MGTOW to some female social cause, don't bother.

7) Alot of MGTOW's avoid women all together. Don't like being catcalled in the street? No problem, they wont catcall you. Hate being stared at the gym? Fine by them, they wont look. Don't liked being asked for your number in random places? Alrighty. You don't have to worry about a MGTOW doing any of these things. In fact a MGTOW won't even bother to look in your direction. A MGTOW will keep conversation with you to a minimum. What people forget that this is a double edge sword. Having a guy buy you drinks at a bar? Nope! Taking you out to a nice expensive dinner and picking up the tab? Nope! Taking you for a ride on his motorcycle or in his sports car? Guess again. Casual flirting? I think not. The majority of men, are single yet off-the-market. Especially in a society where a guy in one false rape accusation or sexual harassment case away from a jail sentience.

8) MGTOW is growing. From 2009-2015 MGTOW went from being a obscure movement to the largest wing of the “man-o-sphere”. Today, there a numerous blogs, forums, and Youtube channels that are devoted to MGTOW philosophy. Do a simple google search for MGTOW and see for yourself.

9) If you want to stop this growth you have to change what causes men to go their own way. If MGTOW's growth is alarming to you then you're going to have to change what causes them to go MGTOW. Which means change the divorce courts, the attack on masculinity, the institution of marriage, social expectations on men, etc. Things such as shaming them, calling them “man-boys”, having white-knights attack them, and other methods will do nothing to stop this growth. The problem people have with this is that to a certain degree they are going to have to assign blame to themselves (* cough* straw feminists). They're are many honest reasons a man will go his own way, just ask one.

10) MGTOWS are not afraid of being alone. When I talked about MGTOW to a female friend, she asked “Aren't they afraid of being lonely ?” The answer to this question was no. To a MGTOW, being alone does not mean being lonely. He may not have a girlfriend or a wife but he still have friends, family, and his hobbies to keep him occupied. A MGTOW has no need for female companionship.

This should give you a better understanding of what path to choose.

Texian_Fusilier · 2019-07-23T00:50:57+00:00

Stick to lifting. Wish I had the drive for that. Try fishing? I also, drink, hunt, and work on guns. I try not to do all that at the same time.

GoMake_me_a_sandwich · 2019-07-23T00:44:59+00:00

You poor little lost soul. Have too much freedom you dont even know what to do with it all.

[deleted] · 2019-07-23T00:48:22+00:00

Get out there and explore. Make friends. Hang with coworkers, neighbors, check out the bar scene.

PhantomCowboy · 2019-07-23T05:32:17+00:00

the point of doing cool things is not to get "recognized", the point is in the doing of them. so do more of that and see where it takes you. you need to shift your locus of validation from external to internal.

[deleted] · 2019-07-23T08:34:29+00:00

You go your own way.

That involves working out what is right for you. The good news is that without falling into social traps you will have a much better chance of finding the things in life that genuinely make you happy, and be more likely to successfully pursue them.

MGTOW doesn't tell you what to do with your life, or even guarantee you will live a happy and successful one. It's kind of like the complimentary observation to match women generally not leading happy and successful lives if they get pregnant and give birth at fourteen. Men generally don't lead happy and successful lives when they lose their house and kids at thirty seven.

LkTahoeNV · 2019-07-23T00:57:45+00:00

Develop a deep passion for learning. Always be learning something new. Garner an understanding of things to the point where you can teach them to a 10 year old, that way you know you really understand the subject.

Gibits · 2019-07-23T01:31:56+00:00

Finding that one thing is the tough part. You need about 20,000 hours to become proficient at anything. That’s 7 days a week, 3 hours a day for 7 years. Someone is considered a genius or prodigy if they only take half that time. If you double your daily practice to 6 hours you might cut that time to 4-5 years.

The important thing is to really enjoy what you’re doing because it will be a grind if you don’t and staying consistent for 7 years is impossible otherwise.

So what’s something you wouldn’t mind doing for 3 hours a day? It could be anything, don’t worry if chicks dig it, just if you enjoy it.

Ron-Don-Volante · 2019-07-23T02:08:41+00:00

That's the beauty of all this... it's what you make. You take ownership and authority in the passion and work you do- that in itself defines you.

[deleted] · 2019-07-23T03:34:43+00:00

I'm a guy who married a devout religious virgin: she divorce raped me like any other thot, perhaps worse than the average thot. Check my post history for the carnage.

The best way forward is the path you choose for yourself. You've recognized that you don't really have hobbies, so you might think through the things you've always wanted to try. Do you like wine? Perhaps you should consider taking the entry-level sommelier class. Beer? Try brewing your own beer. Did you like Ron Swanson? Try woodworking. You have more interests than you probably realize. Also, living for recognition from others is, as far as I can tell, an empty pursuit. Doing things that you enjoy and that bring you fulfillment will produce a satisfied life: living for others will not.

Vaxel00 · 2019-07-23T01:08:08+00:00

Obviously not the way of chasing women or marrying a woman (unless she's like a devout religious virgin).

Nope, not even devout religious virgins are good enough.

jawz2you11 · 2019-07-23T01:22:37+00:00

If your good at lifting become a personal trainer. It pays good and learn diet and nutrition skills to raise your cost and value.

[deleted] · 2019-07-23T05:19:58+00:00

Make a list of all things you want to accomplish in life

Make another list of things you need to do as prerequisites to accomplish the things in the first list and mark it with dates on when you're going to do what, and stick to it.

OneLegTomato · 2019-07-24T01:31:40+00:00

Man, try sailing! the most liberating thing ever

Title	If you become an MGTOW, how do you decide which "way" to go?
Author	BumblingBeta
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Date	July 23, 2019 12:42 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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