Today I saw first hand how chicks use guys like an ATM's

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March 20, 2017

I've been on the pill for little over six months now and I agree with like 80% of things on here. After today maybe that number went up to like 95%. Just usual Sunday afternoon and I decided to go for couple of drinks to my local trendy watering hole where all the action is. Surprise surprise, after only 5 minutes or so some HB8 sits down next to me and starts being friendly with me. She commented on my choice of beer which was a really strong imperial stout like 9% avb, and how she likes it so much and haven't had one in a long time. Now few months back my old blue pill self wouldn't think twice, and just bought the beer to the smiling lady. Not this time, after spending some time on TRP I immediately noticed red flags popping left and right.

  1. Her toes were pointed directly at the bar, even though she was turned towards me.

  2. She was looking through her phone the entire time.

  3. Her dialog was strangely prepared like she answered in these short bursts of information, all without eye contact.

After noticing all of that I quickly tried a simple test. I told her that if she likes that beer so much, she should get herself a pint. To witch she just looked at me and said " Sure I'll just have to visit bathroom really quick'

Boy oh boy was I right about this chick. After the bathroom break she never returned to the same spot, instead she stopped just on the opposite side of bar where group of "Dad Bod" overweight betas were munching on French fries and sipping beer. Soon enough they started pouring her beers and buying her shots. I've never seen such a desperate bunch of idiots in my entire life, they were fighting for her attention like a group of rescued puppies most of them had wedding bands on their fingers. This went on for another hour or so , I'm sure the collective bar tab was running in the high 100's and half of this was just this chick.

Minutes later she picked up a phone call said something to the tune of: she'll be right back. I saw her skipping the bathroom and exiting through the back door. I moved my way around the bar so I can have a peak on the parking lot, sure enough the "ill be right back lady" jumped into a black Ford Mustang filled already with some girls in the back and driven buy some dude with really muscular forearm.

Another bullet dodged and lesson learned my friends. Do not be the "Free Drink Fountain" for these hoes. She was probably going to a party and needed pre fix to lighten the mood.

I just cannot believe that only few years ago I was one of those poor suckers. Even worse I used to thought half way through it that I must be doing really great cause she accepted another drink.

EDIT: Guys I didn't expect this will blow up so much but thanks for all the messages. This shit really did happen and exactly like I described. The place was build in a Oktoberfest German beer garden style it's in Florida so lots of open space see thru walls and this sort of thing. I really didn't need do James Bond spy shit to fallow the situation.

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Title Today I saw first hand how chicks use guys like an ATM's
Author esirnus18
Upvotes 1261
Comments 365
Date 20 March 2017 05:22 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]grewapair729 points730 points  (150 children) | Copy

An ex friend of mine does that on Tinder for free meals. Hates men, loves food. All first dates are upsold to an expensive restaurant, minimum $200 tab.

One guy spent $800, no lie. He was only one of two who ever got a second "date". He bought her tickets to a museum for the second date. She got there, said she was too hungry, could they eat first. Never went to the museum. Never saw him again.

The other guy bought front row concert tickets for a group she liked. $1000 for the pair for their second date. She no-showed him.

She complained to me that all the free dinners were taking too much time. "Can't they just give me the money?"

[–]menial_optimist526 points527 points  (50 children) | Copy

I remember listening to a Tom Leykis radio caller who said he took one of these dinner whores on a date to an expensive restaurant. Last minute she wanted her fat friend to come who "just broke up with her boyfriend" and wanted to be cheered up. He reluctantly accepted. During the date before ordering he had to use the restroom. On the way back from it just the way the restaurant was situated, he happened to pass right near the table without them noticing, and he overheard his date encouraging the fat friend to order the expensive dish because he'll pay for it, and that it's okay because she already decided she won't see him again.

He then waited until they ordered and decided to fake a phone call, to which he said he'd be back in a second. He got up and walked out to the parking lot and just drove home in his car leaving them with the bill.

[–]landon042355 points356 points  (39 children) | Copy

curious how this shit works because i see a youtube channel idea in the making. trolling gold diggers that want free food

would be hilarious

[–]Cousieknow68 points69 points  (34 children) | Copy

What would be the general opinion of waiting if they ask if the check is split/together and saying split it and see their reaction? Would this be something not condoned as it's a 'bitch move' or just stupid for sitting with them the whole time? Or would it just be hilarious.

Genuinely asking.

[–]GrabHerByThePEPE69 points70 points  (15 children) | Copy

They usually don't ask at expensive places, they just assume the man will pay or that it's together. Just like they don't ask if you know that the wine you're drinking is shit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just like they don't ask if you know that the wine you're drinking is shit.

You mean always. Restaurants overcharge for wine you can get at 1/5 the price from the vendor, then bank on how most customers will assume something is good just because it costs a lot. Most of the wine on the menu is shit. They'll still overcharge you for it and never tell you.

They usually don't ask at expensive places, they just assume the man will pay or that it's together.

The classy way around this is to get up to go to the bathroom after the main course (but before the bill), then on the way pull your server aside and ask for separate bills.

If you know your date is a gold digger, you can even settle your half up front while you're "in the bathroom", stick her with her meal and wine, and then sneak out the back.

[–]Cousieknow19 points20 points  (13 children) | Copy

Yeah that's fair.

Sadly not a wine drinker though, I usually get a beer or a Manhattan. How do people not tell shitty wine apart?

[–]siege34281 points82 points  (6 children) | Copy

It's not shitty if you like it.

[–]hyugafan31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dont listen to wine snobs, this is the secret to drinking wine. I don't care if it's a Chateau Lafitte 1978 or a bottle of Wallaroo, if you're enjoying it then it's gonna taste good.

[–]theONE8436631 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Huh I've taken that even further. I only drink to get drunk! Anything goes literally. I'll even fucking drink str8 up diluted ethanol with 🍋 if need be!

[–]Cousieknow10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can respect that.

[–]ProNotPro points points [recovered] | Copy

That's some bullshit. And I don't even like wine

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh I don't know, some of the wines I really actually like to drink are cheap as hell but have decent overall ratings - example:

[–]Turkerthelurker16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

Inexperience. They're all shades of shit until you learn what you prefer (basically alcohol in general)

[–]internetuser573626 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

There are examples of wine tastings where the wine tasting "experts" are given the same wine multiple times and they describe and rate it differently each time.

[–]cashmoney_x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

THIS. It's not ALL bullshit, but it's all bullshit.

[–]Atticus_Crowley15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Most wine snobs can't tell the difference between a 50 year old merlot, and the 10 dollar red you get at trader joes. If you're curious about wine, go on a wine tasting tour at a winery, could be a fun date. It's how I found out that I absolutely love port wine.

[–]Cousieknow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Actually have a tour planned to go to the Distillery that makes my favorite whiskey. (whiskey is TX, made by Firestone and Roberts)

I'll think about that for a date idea. We've got some local vineyards

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most wine snobs can't tell the difference between a 50 year old merlot, and the 10 dollar red you get at trader joes.

Well, first, you shouldn't be drinking a 50 year old Merlot. In general, Merlot gets a bad rap because of the film Sideways. People drink it because it "sounds French" and because it's like drinking a Cab, only without the punishment.

The best advice, given upthread, is, of course, to drink whatever you happen to like.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

i did that last week

I have never seen a woman's face become so ugly so fast

[–]landon04221 points22 points  (9 children) | Copy

not sure what you're really asking,

but the hilarious part would be ordering shit and then you leave without her knowing, forcing her to pay

im wondering laws on this, think about it, girl comes to dinner, she says some shit like idk where he went, now she has to pay, talking to restaurant people like she assumed you were going to pay because thats what 99% of them do, that's why it would be hilarious having there reaction when they realize they gotta pay and your not there, and ive heard before here, girls will "magically leave there wallet at home" because they didnt think they would need, again assuming a random guy you just met will pay for everything

[–]KCMOVIEBUFF22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy

Here's a video :-)

p.s. The video is fine, but beware that if you click on a link in the Description to view some nude selfies the gold digger sent to the guy (her face is supposedly masked), a Paypal window comes up asking for $1.50, so don't bother.

[–]alexjsaf4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I'm gonna get that. She's gonna get that. We're all gonna get that!" His commentary makes the whole video

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bitch, you can literally order whatever you want and you choose a diet coke? Wow.

[–]of-maus-and-men0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why the fuck does this Virgil guy spend $200 on a girl before ever meeting her? The guy is a moron and is as gullible as the victims of a Nigerian prince scam.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Be a bit more humble. Swallowing the pill needs the realization that something is profoundly wrong. And being so young and naive when it come to girls, plus on top of that the BP, make it quite likely to get fucked.

[–]cosine880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Do I need to bring my wallet?"

Yes, honey. Yes, you do.

[–]spencerc254 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're aware that the girl is just using you, I see no issue in splitting. I think most girls are cool with paying on first date, whether they admit it or not (at least my experience). It's all how the frame is handled. (fyi I don't do dinner dates for first date so not speaking in regards to that type of first date)

[–]crimsonkodiak5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

At that point, it's better to just not go out on the date in the first place. I often have dates offer to split the tab or pay entirely, which I almost always refuse.

If you're not comfortable picking up the tab, you shouldn't be going to that restaurant in the first place. If a prospective date insists on going to someplace that's more expensive than you're comfortable spending the money on, don't go.

You need to have abundance mentality and hold frame when you're setting the dates up. The kind of women who are just trying to experience the Taste of [Insert Name of Your City Here] on your dime are relying on the fact you'll be weak and agree to take them someplace you don't want to go. Don't.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I disagree. If she's employed and a plate, she pays her way. Of I know she's unemployed then we'll go somewhere cheap and the total bill will be like something I would have bought myself .

[–]Versacedave0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just wait and see if they actually act like they're into you if they're acting word but still sticking around there using you

[–]sacriliciously17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

But then you get these double standards. Arrest warrant out for a guy who "dined and dashed" like this.

[–]landon04216 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

YES exactly what i was looking for, why a warrent out for him,

oh that's right restaurant, police and girl all expect guy to pay for girl

first date and they dont know eachother, NOOO theres no posibility at all the girl was going to pay, that never entered their mind, thats the funny part

[–]menial_optimist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

holy shit that would be funny. too bad raging feminists would knife you.

[–][deleted] 96 points97 points  (5 children) | Copy

holy shit I wanna do this so bad. One time a girl who looked nothing like her pictures was ordering before me and I told the cashier we would pay separate. She said "no it's a first date you're supposed to pay"

I walked away, but it was easier to be done considering face was ugly

[–]0kool74115 points116 points  (1 child) | Copy

oh man you missed an easy lay-up there. you should have told her "and yeah you were supposed to look like your pictures." then walk away :-)

[–]BlackHeart8920 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same thing happened to me. Except the waiter asked us if it was together. I said separate. That was the last time I saw her and the 2nd to last time I used a dating app.

[–]TyrannyVengeance points points [recovered] | Copy

Thing is they are all "dinner and a movie" whores if you let them be. The main difference today is they don't even hold up their side of the agreement. I miss the 90s.

[–]Phroneo123 points124 points  (14 children) | Copy

I honestly don't know what's worse. Your ex-friend, or the guys who thought it'd be a good idea to spend so much money. Those sums could more than pay for a prostitute and gym membership!

[–]skankHunter42-201631 points32 points  (8 children) | Copy

Well she's a bitch (food prostitution) and they are stupid for accepting a first expensive dinner.

[–]1grubek35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy

She's not really a prostitute, there is no sex involved, that's what makes it even more pathetic. She is just tricking the guys by insinuating sex might be on the menu.

[–]Hombremaniac24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, a prostitue is atleast prepared to give something back.

[–]1empatheticapathetic54 points55 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you invest that much into a stranger you're an idiot, period. Forget about AWALT or anything, there's conmen and conwomen everywhere. The women might suffice at an expensive meal, a more ambitious con man might ruin you financially.

[–]_elgato points points [recovered] | Copy

Some people hadn't have the luck to find TRP, give them time or show them the way

[–]PinkySlayer49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

That has very little to do with the pill and a whole lot to do with common sense. I don't care if you're a fucking HB 9000, I'm not dropping a band on someone I know nothing about. Honestly the problem is that too many dudes value pussy over their own dignity or sense of self worth. I would rather go without sex and focus on my life than get played like a fiddle and go broke just to maybe end up with some whore offering you pity sex after you pay her rent and her boyfriends student loan payment for a date.

[–]thescaper199710 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro wtf thats beta as fuck I approach 10,000 girls a night and have slept with 1000 girls. -Typical response from some one on here

[–]adolfsbff8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I literally know a thin cute blonde that will fuck for $40, kinda puts a date into perspective. I knew a cute brunette that was a complete freak that would fuck for $140. I don't even have the motivation to ask bitches out anymore knowing what $40 can get me.

[–]WhorehouseVet2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just fly to Thailand for some cheap booze and cheap whores.

[–]srgio1234 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe some surprise dick on the side if you're into that.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Those sums

Its all relative and even worse for the desperate.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRunawayGrain44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is another thing that's as old as time, but technology has made it easier for the freeloaders to get a free meal. It used to be like OP said, where she actually had to go fishing for a shmuck at a local dive, or find some thirsty acquaintance to string along.

First date is automatically someplace that money isn't involved. Walk in a state park, go over to the public beach for a Saturday afternoon, or movie night at your place. You'll very quickly weed out the freeloaders that way.

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second this. Knowing that one time a bitch drove 300 miles when she had to work the next day just to see me shifted my belief system. If she can't handle a date without money she can handle time without me pretty easily which is an automatic next.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (4 children) | Copy

with online girls, you never commit to a first meetup beyond "drinks" and even then, be ruthless in that. if you show up and she's not looking like her profile, there's no loss in ducking out. she doesn't want to be honest with something she'll get busted for in the first 10 seconds... why are you going to waste money plus the next hour (or more) of your life listening to a liar spout about how she likes to travel and do a bunch of shit that she never actually does? you'll feel like an asshole the first time you do it, but if more guys did this, women wouldn't use such ridiculously diff pics. you'll also get better at discerning landwhales from hotties.

if you don't bail on her for being a lying landwhale, order the first round plus a water for each of you. cut it off after an hour no matter what. if she was going to dig for gold, now she has to re-invest (girls hate this shit because it takes them 2 hours just to get ready for drinks). if you're doing well with your pipeline, you see a new girl or two, followed by a plate, and it becomes easy to get laid by 5+ women a week because the pipeline is always full.

currently experimenting with "getting coffee" (i don't even drink coffee).

[–]leviathaan2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting theory. Why the water?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's a second drink that you won't have to wait on the bartender for and it cuts down the amount of booze you're drinking. if you're seeing 2 girls plus a plate in a night, and you have 2+ drinks with each, you're having 6+ drinks that night. if you're spacing it out, sure you might not even get drunk, but that's a shitload of calories, and terrible for your liver.

[–]yomo861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thinning potential alcoholic beverages and extending the period of time until the next drink. Thus making it cheaper to get more time out of her for evaluation. After that what did you loose for an hour of screening time and possibly dodged bullet? $ 10 max.

[–]francisco_DANKonia30 points31 points  (13 children) | Copy

Who the fuck would pay $200 on a first date? Even if I were a millionaire, I would keep it to like $80 max

[–]grewapair25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

She got dozens of matches a day. All she needed was one of them to agree to it.

[–]asktrpthrow12319 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

80$ on a first date? The hell? I wouldn't spend more than 5-10$ on a coffee and snack.

[–]79rustyk105 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly this. The first date is just an interview to see if the woman is worthy of more time, and money.

[–]alexclarkbarry9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

Just pull a Trump, own lots of expensive places that you can take women on dates to at no cost

[–]francisco_DANKonia14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is 100% the way to go. I know guys who kill it because they just ask women if they want to go to their mansion to sit in the jacuzzi, play pool, or whatever other expensive toys they have.

[–]WilliamBott0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

You do realize that if you own the place, it does have a cost, right? You still had to pay to purchase the food and drink served, and the wages of everyone involved in procuring, preparing, and serving the meal as well as performing the cleanup afterward.

[–]alexclarkbarry0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's called enjoying the perks of having a high end profitable business. At high end places they charge more for the experience of luxury, if you own the place those costs do not apply to you

[–]WilliamBott0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think you are missing the point. If you own a place and use anything "up", i.e. food, drink, etc. the product has to come from somewhere. Whether you are dirtying a table or eating some food, almost anything you do at the business is going to cause you to incur some cost, regardless of how small or seemingly insignificant it may seem.

You may not have to pay for anything up front, but the extra cost of the food, products, services, or wages of people serving you have to be paid and come out of the business. If you own the business, guess whose money that was? Yep. Yours.

[–]inertargongas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you're saying, but I think Alex's point is also decent - if you own a high tier restaurant that charges a massive premium on the food, you're dodging the premium altogether. Yes, it's true you're not getting "free food" but you're getting a lot more than what you pay for, unless you have to factor in opportunity cost, if you're taking a table away from someone else who would have paid the huge premium. You could even avoid that by going at less busy times I guess.

[–]Lazysaurus-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

And make the taxpayers pay for it. Genius!

[–]IGoYouStayTwoAutumns34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the best comments I've ever read on here (referring to a Blue Pill Beta still trying to get over his One-itis):

"You're listed in her phone as 'FREE DINNER'".


[–]vezokpiraka41 points42 points  (4 children) | Copy

I barely go out to a McDonalds with people I don't know and these guys are paying $200 worth of food to a stranger?

[–]Five_Decades24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

The thirst is real.

Asian massages start at $40 for anyone considering spending $200+ on a first date.

[–]JTPish23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

I mean, if she just gets naked for me and lets me fuck her, we can skip all the pretense and treat her for what she really is.

[–]grewapair17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

She had no intention of ever doing anything for anyone.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm sure there's a website out there where she can sign up to have a sugar daddy.

[–]grewapair10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

She tried that too. She said the guys all wanted her to travel with them on business for weeks at a time, precluding any real job, but weren't going to pay as much as she could earn.

[–]bluexcollar8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like a quality human. Glad she's an ex friend.

[–]Pelikahn9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why doesn't she drop the facade and just become a full blown escort? Oh yeah, have to uphold the good girl act. "Life is just so hard!".

[–]ShOdinn points points [recovered] | Copy

Well, then she'd have to have sex with these guys, which she isn't now doing.

[–]TrippinKitten11170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Escorts don't necessarily have to have sex with anyone, they're supposed to be classier than hookers

[–]lnternetLiftingCoach22 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy

What a repulsive excuse for a human being.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is her instinctual drive to horde resources for herself, some of which will pass to her offspring. She appears to be very successful at it, which improves you survival and those of children around her.

[–]LOST_TALE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If evolution is worth its salt, that should be a dead end.

[–]RealMcGonzo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of my previous plates (who was fucking amazing in bed, OMFG) had a date setup from POF. First date for these two. Guy took her to Ruth's Chris, then a musical with tix at $160 each, at least. And he got nothin. WTF, even in my worst BP daze, I never, ever would have dropped 5 benjies on a first fucking date. Not even if I knew I was getting laid.

[–]TRPTosser9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

She complained to me that all the free dinners were taking too much time. "Can't they just give me the money?"

She should start listing her services on Backpage.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

As the wall approaches and she has no BB locked down, she will.

[–]BlackHeart893 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm pretty sure these guys didn't get to the point of having that much money to waste without realizing that there was a high probability of it being wasted. That's just how the game works. Kudos to the girl. Probably land whale though. Should have gotten them for a diamond necklace or something. But no. She wanted food.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly why if they don't say ok to something free or a coffee date then you're wasting your time.

[–]prodigy2throw2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think your friend may have accidentally found the worlds newest profession

[–]N9rnkJXKbr6N points points [recovered] | Copy

I hope your friend gets hit by a truck

[–]TRP Legal ExpertColdIceZero57 points58 points  (3 children) | Copy

This comment is like being angry at a puppy when it pisses on the floor. Anger is a function of mismatched expectation compared to reality. Her behavior here is encouraged by the men who support her when she behaves this way.

You can't change her fundamental instincts, so it's stupid to be angry about things like her desire to acquire resources from foolish men. Instead, it is more productive to focus on the man's behavior in this situation. Educate the men to recognize that behavior from women, and these situations will play out differently.

[–]Kalidane4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

And it's a very successful strategy for many of these girls. It's just silly to get angry at them for being better at the game of life.

[–]TRPdis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

for having a better hand at the start of the game*

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy crap. That's crazy. This is one of the reasons why I usually try to go Dutch.

[–]Big-Ern1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So you two are basically perfect for each other right?

You give her money, which wets your dick, making both of you temporarily happy.

She's happy as long as you keep giving her money.

Now you need to figure out what you really want.

[–]grewapair2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never did anything with her - casual acquaintance, more fascinated than anything else, and she never did anything for the guys.

[–]Big-Ern0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I apologize, I assumed too much. How do you know what she did or didn't do? Why even tell me?

[–]hyugafan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Your should have suggested the escort business. All she'd need is a photoshoot and a basic website.

[–]grewapair4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

She gets everything she wants with no sex, no nothing. Too many betas willing to fall all over themselves for nothing in return.

She's chubby, but very cute. Mid 20s. Dates guys upper 30s to early 40s who don't have many options in her age range. They all know most mid 20s women won't touch some 40 year old beta male, so they turn up the "see how great it is dating a rich older provider" vibe, whether they're rich or not. She plays each one like a violin.

[–]hyugafan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Man. Those poor bastards. Why'd you end the friendship?

[–]grewapair1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It was more of an acquaintance.

She was using everyone. She tried to get dinners out of me, I just laughed. But she would come over every now and then. She got to the point where she would just come over to use my wi fi and play with her phone. Didn't talk to me, barely listened. If I shared what I was making myself for dinner, she wouldn't help clean up. Just flopped on the sofa and played with her phone, leaving me to clean up.

She basically just probed and probed to see what she could get. Shit got old. And I had really just been sort of fascinated to hear how pathetic the men were. After awhile, it was the same thing over and over. Wasn't getting anything out of it but disgust.

As for "poor bastards", they did it to themselves. They and Disney.

[–]hyugafan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know they do it to themselves. Still can't help but feel sorry for em.

[–]TrippinKitten11170 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You should have told her they can if she presents herself like the hooker she's being

[–]grewapair0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Except she gives them no sex or pretty much anything else for her share of $200.

[–]TrippinKitten11170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Right all they get is to have dinner with her. Smh... at least with a hooker the guy knows he's signing up to get screwed

[–]hahayeahthatscool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good! Less financial freedom/power betas get the better for everyone else. Literally. Let fools spend their money foolishly, even better; capitalize on it like many of these women are rightly doing.

[–]poonGopher69690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit, how can someone say that and not feel like a beggar.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

at that point, do you blame the women.. or do you blame the environment that she is in that allows her to get away with that shit?

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ahhh the advent of the dinner whore. $ 800 on a cheap slut makes most betas angry maybe he find a way to channel that anger into something useful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Why are you friends with a person like that?

[–]grewapair0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What does the word "ex" mean?

[–]Emstario0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

holy christ do these women not have any sort of conscience? how can such utterly horrendous people exist

[–]grewapair0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

How do they exist? Simple, they exist in a world full of men throwing themselves at them. I think it messes with your head after the 100,000,000th guy does that. You figure, what do I have to lose? If they are willing, I am taking.

[–]Emstario0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Still, they're lacking in common decency at an almost psychopathic level

[–]grewapair0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, that's like saying water lacks common decency because it flows downhill.

It responds naturally to the forces it finds itself existing in, that's all. If MEN stopped applying that ridiculous force, water would stop flowing downhill.

[–]Emstario0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, I couldn't just use people like that and live my life carefree. These women are scum

[–]Millixaw-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I somehow picture a "Feel the Bern" bumper sticker on her car.

[–]Gay4Pancakes points points [recovered] | Copy

Things that did not happen.

[–]grewapair1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The blue pill is strong with you. You'll learn.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blows my mind every time I see / read about shit like this being done.

Actually threw up in my fucking mouth a little bit while reading this.

[–]aanarchist105 points106 points  (37 children) | Copy

don't spend money on women who haven't committed a lot of their own energy to you. don't spend time on women who aren't interested in you. tbh it makes me wonder why guys never considered women asking to buy her drinks is a basic shit test, like she has a job she can afford her own alcohol. welcome to the red pill.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 112 points113 points  (31 children) | Copy

I'm reminded of the Mark Manson article where he describes the "Fuck Yes!" idea. If a woman you're interested in dating isn't all "fuck yes!" to going on a date with you, then she's not worth bothering with and you're likely wasting your time.

Women should be excited to see you, want to be in your company, etc. If they're not, then it's time to find new women to spend time with. If you can't find women who are happy and excited to see you, then you have work to do on yourself to improve your SMV and/or likeability.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (27 children) | Copy

The problem with that article is that it doesn't acknowledge the inherent tradeoff between enthusiasm and quality. I don't care who you are; unless you are literally a movie star or professional athlete, there is some echelon of women who will just tolerate you and fuck you a few times before moving on. Everyone has to make this call. Would you rather have an 8 who adores you, or a 10 who is lukewarm to you?

[–]Slut_Slayer900014 points15 points  (23 children) | Copy

Raise your SMV. The higher your SMV is the more enthusiastic chicks will be. If she isn't enthusiastic enough more then likely its because both yours and her smv is around the same (which is bare minimum requirements for a girl to fuck you) or your's is below hers which is not good (yeah you can possibly fuck if the situation is right but 9/10 times you're wasting your time). Girls always date up, men date down on the SMV scale that's just how it goes.

[–]Five_Decades-1 points0 points  (19 children) | Copy

People can't always raise their smv by much though. Some people are naturally short, or naturally fat or naturally skinny. Not everyone can be tall and athletic.

Plus facial attractiveness is largely determined by genetics and what happens in the womb. Since women mostly go for height, face and body not everyone can get those things.

[–]Slut_Slayer90007 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is a loser's mentality. What do you want me to say, "yeah its totally ok be XYZ and never change, eventually you'll find the right unicorn who like you for your inferior traits." No fuck that, you can ALWAYS raise your SMV especially if you think you can't which means you're just putting up barriers to make yourself feel better about not working towards improving.

naturally fat or naturally skinny.

Also this is completely shit, this is 100% dependent on your diet, you can't be fat if you don't eat food, just like you can't be skinny if you consistently (which is the key word here) eat a lot of food. That's why the advice here is to lift, lifting is the easiest way to improve your body which is the easiest way to improve your smv. Use this to snowball into improving your social life/status. People like hanging out with other attractive people.

[–]Five_Decades3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Self improvement is fine, but for most people there is a fairly hard ceiling on smv.

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If you think like that then there most defintely is. Read up on the law of attraction, a lot of people say its complete bullshit but its not. If you can believe you can achieve(if you're honest with yourself).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think we all can move our marks 2-3 pts, but a 0pt burn victim with no arms or legs is never going to be a 10.

[–]rested_green-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Money and mentality will escalate your 0pt burn victim's potential SMV. It's not all about looks.

[–]ZackMorris785 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

Nobody is naturally fat. Being fat comes from eating more calories than one burns. That is absolute horseshit fatlogic right there.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Scientific evidence shows most people are unable to lose weight and keep it off permanently via lifestyle changes alone.

Some people are naturally skinny and do not build muscle well. Not everyone can be tall and athletic. Not everyone can be handsome. Some people have mental health issues that prevent them from being charming. There is a ceiling on smv for a lot of people.

[–]ZackMorris787 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy

You sound like a fat girl who whines about why Chad passes her over and blames it on her "jahnetix". Scientific evidence my ass, most people are too fucking lazy to stick to a diet and exercise regime. You make it sound like being fat is a SMV ceiling, which is absolute horseshit.

[–]Five_Decades0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I'm being insulted by someone named after a saved by the bell character. My life is complete.

[–]ZackMorris788 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ad hominem attacks don't detract from my point that your logic is faulty in regards to people being "naturally fat".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That "unable" is a mental thing. It's about drive, will power and lifestyle design.

I would suggest the exact opposite of what you stated. Science knows how to make ANYONE lose weight. It's just that once they leave the lab, the will power, the self control etc all dissipate.

Be driven to be the top 25% or be a cuck.

[–]Aaronindhouse0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There really are people that have issues within their body that make them fat. For those people it is much harder to maintain a better body. But it is still not impossible. It just comes down to what you are willing to sacrifice for the things you want.

[–]ZackMorris782 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah we're talking less than 1% of the population. Things like Prader-Willi Syndrome and advanced forms of Cushings etc... It's such a mind melting small subset of people yet the talk of people being "naturally fat" that trumpets this as an excuse to be a sofa bison munching down on cheetos like their lives depended on it. I'd say 99% of fat people are fat because they eat too much and are fucking lazy. It's really that simple.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

But then you've raised your SMV, and you're once again confronted with the same conundrum, except with slightly hotter girls. If you follow this to it's extreme conclusion, eventually you will be choosing between having the hottest non-famous woman on earth desperately begging you to love her, vs literally dating Natalie Portman or Scarlett Johannson. And there is no man on the planet that those two will ever beg to love them.

[–]Slut_Slayer90003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once again what do you want me to tell you? Would you rather me lie to you like the rest of society? This is the red pill, you have to be ok with uncomfortable truths about the way things work. Yes this is the case, there will always be some women out of your reach, yes you more then likely you'll never be able to raise your SMV to the point where you can potentially fuck every single girl, but frankly every man can reach an SMV point where they're happy and sexual content with life which is what you should strive for. Like I said women always date up, and men date down yeah you can bang a few out of your smv zone occasionally under perfect circumstances but it will not last, its not in their biology to mate with an inferior person then what we can attain.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

The point was that if they're not invested in being with you, then it's time to move on. She has to have a certain level of excitement over dating you.

This is one of the reasons I choose not to date older women. By the time they hit 30 they're so jaded and cynical they're almost impossible to get excited over a guy. It comes back once they are in their 40s because a guy has finally given given attention again lol

[–]motorku531 points points [recovered] | Copy

The point was that if they're not invested in being with you, then it's time to move on. She has to have a certain level of excitement over dating you.

The thing is she doesn't know you before the date. And unless you are dating down by like 3 points or you are Chad. If you are a chad then who the fuck cares what she thinks of you, if you are dating down then what the fuck are you doing.

This is one of the reasons I choose not to date older women. By the time they hit 30 they're so jaded and cynical they're almost impossible to get excited over a guy.

Good point, also the older she is the more she is skilled at manipulation.

[–]Warren_Bates0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would argue her not knowing you before hand is to your advantage. Be mysterious, excite some tingles, and let the hamster run.

[–]LanAlMadragoran1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow wow wow. This fuck yes idea just made so many moments in my life make sense. This is why I love TRP when suddenly something you already knew in the back of your mind pops into the front of your mind and just clicks! Thanks for the fuck-yes rule.

[–]aanarchist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

most dudes are pretty cool if you get to know them. the ones who aren't are like sociopathic fags with severe emotional problems. they just have to find the balls to share their inner world with other people so that they can draw the right people in. there's not a lot of people out there that are gonna dig everyone for information so it's up to each individual to meet others at least halfway in conversation.

[–]danrodriguez764712 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Really just don't give money to or buy things for strangers and expect anything in return. Also if you're worried about people trying to use you for free meals, go Dutch or find a cheaper date.

If someone won't be with you unless you spend money on them, they don't want to be with you.

[–]crimsonkodiak9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a term in the glossary for this "covert contract".

If you spend money on someone expecting something back that they haven't agreed to give you, that's on you, not them, when you don't receive it.

[–]aanarchist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

really you should just follow your gut. too many dudes try to buy their way into the pussy, when they should be focusing on how they feel around her and on having a good time and building a connection rather than putting her on a pedestal and trying to supplicate to her. most dudes are taught to not treat themselves like human beings, to ignore their own feelings and thoughts, their needs and their preferences, to just be mindless slave machines.

[–]francisco_DANKonia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this is the core message here. Well done.

[–]1theoctopuss107 points108 points  (21 children) | Copy

Not even two weeks ago some bitch tried this on me, except get this: it was through Facebook.

This is some drug slut that happened to live in the house next door to the one I grew up in. Hadn't seen her in years, she grew up into a 20 year old HB8 with a drug problem.

I noticed she sent me a request one day. Whatever, I accepted it. A few days later she sends me a message. Keep in mind that the last I had seen her, she was 13 or 14 so it's been a few years. The message went something like:

Her: "Hey theoctopuss, do you remember me? We used to live next to eachother lol! Anyways, I was gonna ask you a favor..."

Thanks to my red pill training, I had a feeling where this was going. I was going to get some entertainment, so I bit the hook.

Me: "What's the favor?"

Her: "Well I moved into and apartment a few months ago but I don't get paid until next week and my rent is due, my creepy landlord says he'll kick us out if we don't pay in three days. I'm $120 short so can you help me out? It's only $120."

I thought to myself "fuck, I wonder what kind of drugs this bitch needs to ask people like me for cash."

Naturally I left her dumb ass on read. Within an hour she sent a follow up "?" text. I didn't respond and haven't heard from her since. Hoes goes hoe, bro.

[–]Arroway2357148 points149 points  (4 children) | Copy

I love how she also tried to trigger your White Knight mode by describing her landlord as "creepy". Yeah, that awful, creepy landlord who is bothering them because he has the audacity to want the money they owe him.

[–]1theoctopuss57 points58 points  (3 children) | Copy

Right? It's like they're used to guys bending over backwards for them. They literally don't know what to do when a strong framed man isn't putting up with their shit. They instinctually get flustered or try to turn on slut mode.

Newsflash: I knew you were a slut the second you added me on facebook.

[–]motorku531 points points [recovered] | Copy

Yeah it's really funny to see this thing in real life, the horror in their eyes the moment they realize you aren't some whiteknight cuck.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Should be like "120? Thats only like 6 blowjobs, whats the problem?"

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201626 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Should've worked out a deal to get 6 blowjobs from her. $20 a pop seems like a reasonable rate for a toothless meth-head BJ.

[–]BelAir56 points points [recovered] | Copy

I gotta chime in on this one.

Awhile back a HB6 from my high school days (cringe worthy beta all the way throughout the 4 years) messaged me out the blue.

Her: "hey belair56, how are you doing... how is school? how is so & so?"

Redpill kicked in at this moment because I knew this bitch was trying to butter me up for a favor and I decided to bite seeing what she would ask for pure entertainment.

Me: "good, school is okay"

Her: "thats good! so I need to ask you for a favor."

Me: "sure go ahead"

Her: "well I need you to meet me at the starbucks on philly avenue at this time in a few days"

Me: "okay... what's this all about though?"

Her: "it's a surprise ;) I can't tell you" (most dudes would buckle right here to be honest but I kept my frame)

Me: "why can't you tell me?"

Her: "it will ruin the surprise. What is your #"

Me: "555-555-5555, see you soon"

Immediately after the conversation was over I unfriended her and kept going on with my business. I guess she was too stupid to notice until that day because she proceeded to blow my phone up. After her futile attempts with no answer: she got her facebook orbiters to start harassing me with messages. It was so pathetic watching these dudes be a pawn for some HB6 who is borderline & narcissistic. I got called an asshole, rude, ugly, etc... the whole nine yards by these 3 little faggots obviously being instructed by her. I kept radio silent and only left it on read as well. Eventually they all gave up and I knew that's when TRP is now ingrained... ever since this stunt some chicks have tried it on me but I guess my reputation must be changing now because I rarely have some bitch try to sucker me for a favor, time, or money.

[–]Mayaparisatya3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]Mayaparisatya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Were they so miserable that they started annoying and pestering some unknown dude in social networks?

I would hardly believe that, but I know too many real life examples of such white knight behavior.

And... Was there a lack of people? I think it would be easier to find another person for that.

[–]juliusstreicher9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like the "throw us out". Who is/are the other(s)? Her POS crackhead boyfriend who's too lazy to work or even ask himself, her child and bf?? She asks a supposed WK for money, not just for herself, but, for WTF knows who else, without so much as a handjob.

[–]1empatheticapathetic32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

my redpill training kicked in Really? You needed the redpill to know not to loan a drug slut aquaintance three figures? I doubt you would have done so even without TRP.

[–]1theoctopuss23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Before I wouldn't have asked what the favor was. I'm at the point where thsee types of situations amuse me. If it was 5 years ago, I would have been angry and called her out.

[–]turn20left3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Should have strung her along...

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Gotta get my dick sucked first, then maybe.

[–]Warren_Bates6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps this is implied, but condom use strongly suggested

[–]_AussieRed points points [recovered] | Copy

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks

[–]rdpislove points points [recovered] | Copy

all they can do is suck the dick

[–]Niphilim83 points points [recovered] | Copy

Lick on these nuts and suck the dick... Amateur....

[–]ZXMarvin222 points223 points  (45 children) | Copy

Working bars when I was at Uni allowed me to see some messed up stuff. Guys paying over and over to be treated like a fool before the HB7 goes home with the one dude who didn't buy her a drink.

The reality is that From the chick at the bar or the girl stringing along her beta orbiters right up to the Findommes that hang around kink scenes, men literally forking over £100's to appease some 20y/o slut - women have no problem taking money from beta's who think they can buy their way to natural desire.

It's more common than you think though. My first girlfriend had this dude who would buy her stuff and give her money with no reciprocation. And my Sister strung along some dude who brought her the most expensive things, all whilst she was banging his friend. Then she became pregnant and BetaBux said 'I know it's not mine but I'll help raise it with you'.

It's sad because these guys have become so emotionally fucked up that they think this is intimacy. They believe that they can buy their way to the top to secure attraction and natural selection - but it tends to be that the moment you do actually spend out on a woman is the moment you go down in estimation.

If a girl asks me for a drink at a bar now days I just say some unoriginal version of 'Only if you buy me one first'. I once told some chick to 'Buy her own fucking drinks' one night though, and she cried to her beta orbiters that the Ready-to-Rape Toxic-male cis scum at the bar was bullying her...

Of course two hours later she was going home with me, and her friends were still stalking her FB.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator129 points130 points  (32 children) | Copy

I reinstalled tinder a few weeks ago. I matched with a girl whose bio opened with "venmo me so I know it's real." I asked her if any guys sent her money. She said that maybe 20 guys had sent her money and that she'd collected at least $300. One particular guy sent her $100.

I asked her if she ever went out with the guys who sent her money. She said she never even matched with the guys who sent her money. I asked if she thanked them and she said she "[had] no way to contact them." I don't use venmo but I know that you can see who sent you money. I said something along the lines of "that's pathetic" and she just said it was hilarious. I unmatched her and Uninstalled tinder.

I know we shouldn't let shit like this upset us, but this was too much for me. I got angry again just writing this.

[–]elchucknorris300130 points131 points  (9 children) | Copy

Looks like I need to create a fake female tinder profile and venmo account

[–]Modredpillschool76 points77 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not the worst idea I've heard...

[–]Steve_Wiener16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's a simplified method of e-whoring.

I tried e-whoring for a little while. It works and the scam has been around a long time. It is time consuming though. This would be easier.

[–]RoughTeddy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You could make a killing in SF. The amount of BP in that city is incredible.

[–]drallcom3 points points [recovered] | Copy

I have Tinder scripts. I could automatize that a couple dozen times in high profit cities. Hmm...

[–]hyugafan8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you had more entrepreneurial spirit and/or actually gave a damn, that sounds profitable. Imagine opening dozens of these accounts and watching the dough roll in.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

You've gotta be breaking some law if you use someone else's photos to dupe someone out of their cash.

[–]hyugafan18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

The porn industry's been doing it for years. Plus, what are they gonna do, go to the cops and tell them "I gave money to an attractive woman in the hopes of sex and then....". Congrats on admitting solicitation, numbnuts. At best the desk officer will laugh you out of the station, at worst he'll bag you for attempted prostitution. Same rationale as a pimp threatening to break your legs if you don't give him 100$ extra.

[–]wanderer77929 points30 points  (4 children) | Copy

I really only get mad at society for lying to us about women. They are going to do this stuff so there's no sense getting mad about it. I just wish I'd had a dad or someone to point this shit out.

[–]Aaronindhouse8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah, this really is the big problem. The reason the red pill works is because it exposes the truth of how things work. The truth used to be much simpler decades ago. You had men who knew these truths and weren't considered sexist mysoginysts(can't even spell the damn word right) for speaking it.

[–]p3n1x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The truth used to be much simpler decades ago. You had men who knew these truths

No they didn't. That is where all the blue collar (laugh off the beta) comedy comes from. 70s & 80s is brutal. This is when birth control (1950) also became more accepted and available.

Don't let the "old guys knew better" bullshit fool you about today. There is a top percentage of people for a reason. Can't have a planet of Alpha's.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I just wish I'd had a dad or someone to point this shit out.

at least we have the internet. before we'd have to stumble through this shit on our own and wonder 'why doesnt the stuff i see on tv ever work..."

now we know what's really going on. some later than others, but its a gift either way

[–]wanderer7791 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm already old. But it is better than nothing.

[–]1empatheticapathetic26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

You gotta enjoy the positives in life man. I would be happy I wasn't one of those guys after talking to her. An action like that has an underwhelming amount of sadness behind it. I've never been good with women but I've never been anything like that desperate.

[–]crimsonkodiak8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh. A fool and his money.

Tinder's not hard and it makes things materially easier than they used to be. If you're dumb enough to send some women money before you're even matched, let alone having had her go on a date with you, that's on you, not them.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy

At the beginning of 2017, I told myself I would delete tinder, which I did, only for a little bit. Re-installed it just to see if I can actually meet someone on there. Even though I'm a good looking guy, I wasn't having success. I am now deleting it and wondering why I even downloaded it again in the first place. Tinder, Bumble and all the other ones are a waste of time, even if you are good looking. I just want to be rich so that I can occasionally use pros.

[–]I_Need_More_Space_10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

The great thing about pros is that you don't have to be rich. I've been to the Red Light in Amsterdam twice and the beautiful Czech girls only charged $150/session (Already knew them). By the way, when first getting to know a pro, only order a BJ. If she is shit at the BJ with no enthusiasm, she will be shit at sex. BJ's are like $50, so its a good start/interview. ;) Oh, and go during the early afternoon and don't be drunk. Night time has higher prices and less service most of the time.

[–]turn20left2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

Maybe you're not a good looking gut. DYEL?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yes, I do lift. I am about 175 lbs and can bench over 315 lbs. I have a six pack and I'm in great shape.

[–]Keep_Scrolling1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's probably something wrong with your bio, or profile pics.

If you need help, PM me and I could take a look at it for you. There's also subreddits that deal with it

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

For now, I am deleting my tinder and bumble. I will say that I have had some success in the past, but I am taking a break from it since I haven't made progress recently and want to focus time and effort on other things.

[–]Timmytanks40 points points [recovered] | Copy

How much pipe are you laying a month? what quality?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm currently not getting laid, so in a bit of a dry spell. I think last time I had sex was three weeks or a month ago.

[–]UseForThrowAwayStuff points points [recovered] | Copy

lmao do you live in a 6 letter city? i messed with this exact girl, same line, and convo.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I doubt it. I live in NM. It's sad that there are thousands of girls pulling this shit.

[–]wunderwaxel41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy

I like to ask them to give me a good reason why I should buy her a drink. Most of the time they say things like: "because I'm pretty/cute/a girl. " They never get the drink. Still waiting for a girl that just tells me a funny, or even better a truly good reason to buy a drink.

[–]1theoctopuss38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

You'll be waiting for a long, long time.

[–]juliusstreicher7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, but he'll be saving some bucks!

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

When they ask for a drink I usually just get them a glass of water.

It's free, and it's a drink, and if she was starving and thirsty in a Mad Max like desert i'd give her a swig of my water filled flask. Anything else you have to pay in some form or another.

[–]esirnus18[S] 35 points36 points  (5 children) | Copy

Good points mate:) I was actually impressed at this chicks drinking ability. She went through those shots like it was cough medicine. She mention she was 28 years old, so approaching wall pretty fast with her lifestyle. Geez I can only imagine her in few years...old used up hag.

[–]ZXMarvin31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Those are the one's you really need to watch though.

An average 20y/o has a good few years to ride the CC so is likely to leave billy beta alone once he pays her tab.

A 28 year old however is approaching the wall and still trying to live like her early 20's. Sooner or later she realises this isn't sustainable, she can't lock down a man she truly desires, and times running out - so one of these poor guys at the bar is likely to end up as a her long term Beta Bux.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Get real, there's nothing impressive about the ability to consume copious amounts of alcohol. Basic bro stuff yo.

[–]KCMOVIEBUFF-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

He meant in comparison to other women. Why are some people on this site so fast to troll, I wonder?

[–]RemyPrice4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

TIL disagreeing = trolling.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That still doesnt make it impressive. That is not a metric one should attribute to their egos.

[–]menial_optimist21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

"when you fuck for free you get nothing" - too $hort

[–]Five_Decades4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly for a lot of guys in the current climate their only options are this or mgtow.

[–]brinkleybuzz120 points121 points  (23 children) | Copy

After today maybe that number went up to like 95%

The story that got me to 95% RP was the chick in Boston who used Tinder to find "wholesome" guys to shovel her snow for free.

[–]LethalShade39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy fucking shit, you can't make this shit up. At least 90% of guys had the decency to tell her to fuck off or ignore her, that's at least something.

[–]hawkeaglejesus35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tinder pic

Actual pic

yeah... how are those crow's feet at 27 treating you sweetheart?

[–]aDrunkenWhaler14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Professional photo, good lighting, probably retouching, and she looks 35.

[–]brinkleybuzz25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy

Eh, not bad. I'd do her. Wouldn't shovel her snow though unless she paid market rates.

[–]slimjimjohnson10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy

She got the first guy coffee and scone. I'd do it for coffee and scones.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hopefully he lived right down the street. Knowing these beta tards, he probably brought his shovel onto the fucking commuter rail from Brockton.

[–]brinkleybuzz13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dawg, you need an agent to negotiate your rates. Coffee + scones isn't even minimum wage.

[–]lancer0000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my country, the scone would be a bonus ...

[–]ShadowPeopleAreReal-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Shoveling snow is kinda fun, it can be a good workout.

[–]Pube_Stretcher0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Haven't been on this sub in a while. You'd shovel some bitches drive way for coffee and scones? I hope you're kidding

[–]slimjimjohnson0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I like doing thing for people. Even if they are being a user. I shovel my apartments walkway for our building when it snows so we don't have to wait for the older maintenance guy and he doesn't have to do it. If someone was offering me some food (like when you help someone move for pizza) it's not an issue. I don't mind doing things for people. It isn't altruistic, it makes me feel good about myself to bring joy and happiness to others. That's not a bad thing man. My Happiness is more important than anything. If you can't get behind that I'm not sure what to tell you.

[–]Pube_Stretcher1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have a deal for you. Come file my taxes next year and I'll pay you in pizza and mountain dew

[–]slimjimjohnson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


I think doing taxes is a tad different than a half hour shovelling job.

[–]InfiniteAscent1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

From the article: I swiped right exactly a dozen times. Instead of looking for men I was necessarily attracted to, I looked for men who seemed especially wholesome. (If only this Venn diagram had a greater overlap, perhaps I wouldn’t be in this predicament at all.)

AF/BB right there, the Venn Diagram needs more overlap....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

yeah i was about to post this. it really does show perfectly how when they want something, they'll go for the beta provider.

funny how she also blames it on guys, saying there's not a lot of overlap between who shes attracted to and 'wholesome'... lmao

[–]InfiniteAscent0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

funny how she also blames it on guys, saying there's not a lot of overlap between who shes attracted to and 'wholesome'... lmao

I dunno, isn't that the whole dichotomy with TRP AF/BB it's not perception, guys tend to come in two types both of which appeal to a woman for different reasons. The goal in MRP is to develop and balance these characteristics. I think society has trained men to be even more beta than they normally would be though, and that is detrimental to everyone.

[–]Pragmaticpandas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh my fuck if anyone isn't fully redpilled, that article will do it. Thanks for that, definitely needed the refresher.

[–]whyalwaysm30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's sad how desperate some guys are and most of them have no hope as they'll most likely never truly understand how pathetic their actions are. I want to hate on that woman from Tinder but can you really blame her for taking advantage of desperate guys? It's the desperate guys that give her power, give other women ideas, and enable other women to take advantage of men when they can.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Damn this woman is smart. She knows a beta will do anything to get a chance.

[–]falconpush51 points52 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've been on the pill for little over six months now

Dont you mean swallowing the pill?

[–]RedditIsDumb4You21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol I think on the pill is funnier. And saying you swallow doesn't make you sound much more alpha than an allusion to birth control.

[–]falconpush0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lololol i get it... but the saying "It's is a hard pill to swallow" has been around long before "swallowing" became a thing.

I guess I should have said "unplugging" instead (jsut hope that doesnt turn into some kind of sexual reference later)

[–]esirnus18[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I spouted this out without even thinking and this dude gets gold for quoting me. Nice:)

[–]falconpush0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The world rewards results and efficiency lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


I've never got why so many like to proudly proclaim they are swallowing instead of the original "i took the redpill". I guess redditors just love swallowing.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (4 children) | Copy

You don't have to believe all of the red pill, or use all of the red pill, but follow the core components

Lift, and lift again, become the guy that girls want to fuck or as close to that guy as you can get.

Self improvement (in your career, in school ,with your body, with your finances)

Find your own happiness, derived from your own self worth,

Don't get women pregnant, follow safe sex rules ( don't fuck without a condom, take that shit with you or flush it )

You don't need to follow the red pill completely, and buy into everything it tells you, life is subject to individual impressions and life experiences,

There are some guys that are married and love it and run a Red pill marriage. (Something I don't agree with but go ahead and play with that fire if you want to, see if you get burned)

There are guys that say never get married.

Some guys want kids. Some don't,

one solution doesn't fit or fix all your problems, TRP is a guide to be tailored to your life to maximize your life happiness and prioritize your life goals, whatever they maybe.

[–]Jake_le_Dog14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

You don't need to follow the red pill completely, and buy into everything it tells you, life is subject to individual impressions and life experiences

Oh, how many times have I read this statement?

Redpill is a set of information for you to process and internalize. The things you'll read on the sidebar and from EC's aren't really open for debate. You can rationalize the truth in a subjective manner, but that's what we like to call "hamstering."

The quoted statement encourages men to not take information at face value, if they don't feel comfortable with something they read.

You can't alter the truth. Just accept it. Better to use the knowledge to your advantage.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hence following statement of needing to stay true to the core of the red pill, the sidebar.

But if you go out and read the posts of what work for each individual person in there are, the finer points of game, tinder pickup lines, people's view on marriage those are all subject to each individuals ability and desire.

It's like your diet for the gym, not everyone can eat the same food or lift the same way but overall there are diets and gym strength building exercise that work everyone.

But you still need to lift and eat right same with the red pill

[–]Jake_le_Dog2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, after a while you use the knowledge the way you want. It's like how I tried to act way more extroverted than I really am, and later realized I can remain low-energy, and still reap the benefits.

I think men should first try everything to see what works for them, and later they can adapt the knowledge to their personality.

Good elaboration.

[–]scarletspider323 points24 points  (10 children) | Copy

That goes on all day long at bars, you just probably never noticed it. Not to long ago at a gas station some chick walked up to me and asked me if I knew how to change a flat tire. I said yes, and she said great I have a the tools. I then asked how much is she gonna pay me. She looked so shocked and offended that I asked for payment. This chick really expected that she could just go up to random strangers and get them to work for her for free just because she's a chick.

[–]Aaronindhouse21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem has become such that 30 years ago, maybe more, women were actually taught to respect the charity that men offer them. If you had changed a woman's tire she might have offered to buy you lunch/breakfast/dinner/coffee. Women today have no respect for the things men do freely. They have no honor. As I posted above, If you do things like change a woman's tire, do so knowing that you are doing so out of charity and to not expect anything in return.

[–]redditJ54 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would of told her, I'd help show her how to change it but I wouldn't do it for her. I've done this to my ex before, I did help her get the spare out of the trunk, but I showed her how to use all 112 lbs to break the lugs and how to put them back on.

Teach a woman to fish, and she will still want to go out instead of cooking.

[–]could-of-bot4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's either would HAVE or would'VE, but never would OF.

See Grammar Errors for more information.

[–]TVEMisty1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I browse this sub to kind of get a prospective from the other side. I see this type of crap that women pull and it seriously bothers me. I wasn't raised to be that type of woman. I was raised to respect people and don't expect something for nothing. If I need help changing a tire, not because I don't know how but because I legitimately can't do part of it, then I am more than willing to ask and compensate the person for it. Put gas in their car, give them cash -whatever we agree upon. I don't expect a dude to do it cause I'm a girl and I have boobs and the sheer luck he has for me to shine my favor on him is all he should expect. Fuck that. Also, there is no damn reason why a woman that drives shouldn't know how to change a tire or have some sort of triple A type coverage if they can't be bothered to learn.

[–]scarletspider30 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Well that mentality does give you a big advantage over a lot of other women out there in the dating world. It also commands more respect.

[–]TVEMisty0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm out of the dating game, thankfully, I'm trying to figure out ways I can help guide my step son into commanding respect in relationships since he is currently a doormat and we can't get him to break out of that and not be with someone who treats him as he should be thankful she's with him. She's very much the type of "you need to do this for me because I have the boobs and I'm pretty". She's not worthy of the type of man he is. He has a lot of things he needs to work on, but if he would invest in himself he would do much better than he is and she has him thinking that he's not worthy of her. The problem is, she doesn't want him to invest in himself because she knows that he will realize that she's not worthy of his investment in her.

[–]scarletspider30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wow that is very noble of you. That is pretty much the type of shit that young and blue pill guys go through. It's how girls run game. It's one of the major reasons that brings guys to us. He needs to build himself up and start getting some successes with other girls. It'll give him what we call here abundance mentality. He also needs to see and/or find his value. After he gets those two things it'll be easier for him to demand respect or walk away.

[–]TVEMisty0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It isn't noble, it's just hard to watch someone you love so much hurt because they are being treated as if they are less than what they are. We stay out of their relationships, but try to guide them to better paths. I'm trying to find ways to encourage him into a better path. The route of "she's sucking the life out of you and you deserve so much better" will result in him digging in his heels because he will feel as if we don't approve of his choices.

[–]juliusstreicher1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I like to think that I would have helped her. I mean, after all, she had the tools. Why not stick around and advise her how to use them??

Also, I'm rather disgusted at the slut because she didn't even ask, yet, she expected you to go do work for her. Shows that she wouldn't even have thanked you.

[–]scarletspider31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that would've been fun to do. Just shows how entitled women feel to our labor that she doesn't even bother to ask.

[–]Anders32132 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy

I never partied much and I have only once tried to buy a drink to a girl I didn't already know. We were talking while I was I waiting to order my drink and I just wanted to be nice and buy her the beer she wanted. After I paid I turned around to say it was nice talking to her but I was there with some friends and I had to go back to them. Of course she was gone when I turned around. Had she waited just 5 seconds she would have gotten a free beer from someone who didn't expect anything in return and was about to leave her alone anyway but she ran away as soon as she got what she wanted and left me to feel like an idiot even though I just wanted to say "you're welcome, enjoy your evening. Bye"

[–]chinawinsworlds19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, that's sad. Being mistaken for a beta bux, when you were really just being a genuinely generous person.

[–]Hombremaniac15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well that was some cheap but effective lesson for you right there.

[–]WhorehouseVet5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Had a friend who would constantly ask me to by drinks for him and his "new" friends, ie random girls he met that night. He's trying to impress them by pretending he's a big spender on my dough. He's kinda an Asper, so I stopped hanging out with him.

[–]victor_knight26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy

Interesting story. It reminds me of the time some years back when I was at a mall and this hot chick just walks up to me and straight up asks me politely for $10. I give her a WTF look and just walk off. There was another time I was at a McDonald's with my brother and this well-dressed old geezer walks up to our table smiling asking us to buy him a happy meal. We just waved him off. He must have thought he was a hot chick due to Alzheimer's or some shit.

[–]slimjimjohnson30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would have probably got the old guy a happy meal. But I have a soft spot for old men for some reason, probably because I'm afraid of becoming old and irrelevant myself. shrug

[–]hyugafan6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah same. I dont usually give out money unless it's guys over 50 who look like they need it more than I do.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79104 points105 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sounds like a fake story to me.

I mean, I've seen all you describe happen in separate cases, but your story is a perfect RP-fantasy:

  • You read her body language and her feet point at the bar (because she wants alcohol?);

  • the other group are of course "fat" and "beta";

  • then of course you follow her in the bathroom and get a peek at the parking lot (I mean, really dude, you didn't have to follow her, just the fact that you'd never see her comeback was enough of a proof in itself);

  • then cherry on top it's a Mustang driven by a Chad with "muscular forearm" and his bitches.


Although I gotta admit, I enjoyed the reading. Nice RP porn.

[–]Millixaw38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP forgot to mention that forearm Mustang guy was wearing a "Hi, my name is Chad" tag.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

Want to play a game? Guess which story is fake, or are both of them?

44 year old man has been fucking a 28 year old, meets her thin and sexy 22 year old roommate and tells the 28 he is going to fuck her friend. He goes over to their flat, and crushes shit tests from the 22. She demands he get her purse, he tells her to fuck off. She begs and still he says no. Then after another demand he says show me your tits and I'll grab it when I take a piss. She balks. A few minutes later he gets up to piss and her tits come out, so he makes good and tosses her purse to her when he returns. 28 gets fucked while 22 watches for a minute then leaves. Next night they text him to come over, he declines twice then relents at 0100. 28 has one of their mutual friends over that she is fucking and had been spit roasted with our hero and the other guy. They get up to piss leaving 22 and 44 alone. She asks to kiss him, he does and within two minutes they're fucking on the living room floor. Leaving rug burns that her boyfriend sees a few nights later. 44 fucks her for two months and turns her loose. He goes on to have multiple 3 ways with 28, including with the 22 before he brooms her.

Mid 40s man goes to jail over bullshit caused by ex wife. Gets out and a 26 year old is house sitting while he's doing his two weeks. He gets home and the girl mentions another girl is coming by. When the other girl gets there they take turns sucking his cock, and eventually one rides his face while the other rides his cock. Lots of wild shit happens the rest of the weekend.

Bonus story. 45 year old white man meets 21 year old Indian college girl, she messages him asking what he is doing after a meeting. They end up in a motel room taking nudes of her and fucking like rabbits. The same guy was fucking 21 year old Russian girls when he was 33, and fucked a 21 yr old virgin at 35 keeping her around for a few years.

What is fake, what is real? its all real

[–]1jb_trp11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ahhh, the humblebrag rebuttle. Nicely done.

Slow clap.

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman790 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Actually I believe you. It's not to say that OP's story can't happen, I've swallowed the pill and I've been around, I've seen worst. It's just that OP's post doesn't ring true.

I guess it doesn't matter, I agree that the premise is right.

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dudes for the love of god!!! "President Donald Trump" doesn't ring true either, but you bet your ass it is!! like I said just ask me any detail I'll tell you. This shit happened and it's not even that uncommon. I just started noticing that now.

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Says the guy who over analyzes my post witch is clearly marked as "Rant". It did happen dude! I just paid extra attention to the whole situation cause I never saw that happen in such a clear and obvious way. Like I said I swallowed the pill only few months ago and used to be pretty plugged. Ask me any question you want and i'll answer it.

[–]Akela_hk54 points55 points  (7 children) | Copy

Muscular forearm and black mustang guy here.

Can't fit more than one bitch in the back of my 2015.

Backseat is practically nonexistent.

Going to call fakery on this one.

[–]Shootlawd9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It really only gives credence to the theory that Redpillers are all secretly gay. We know more about Chad's forearms than about this woman lol.

[–]redditJ53 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I took my homecoming's date's v card in the back of HER mustang. I still have a cramp to this day from it.

You can fit two back there, but they have to be 5' and 90#. And it helps if they are blonde or ginger.

[–]Akela_hk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I like taller chicks. Anyone taller than 5'2 isn't having a good time in the back.

[–]esirnus18[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

it was few years old GT convertible this sort of thing

[–]Gravityflexo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It has two seats in the back, so im thinking its possible just not comfortable

[–]Akela_hk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's about as uncomfortable as it gets. I've had to cart people in the back seat, they generally don't want to get back in after basically rolling out into the asphalt.

[–]2comment7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Smarter women carry this con further. Decade ago, eastern european that was dating a friend who was in a certain business and she asked around one day, "So who is the richest man in this business?" They answered her and 2 months later she was banging Mr. Rich and between then and now they got married, had 2 kids, divorced, she's retired herself and her pussy at 30-something. Know a lot like her. Blood rushing to the dick halves the IQ.

The men you were observing got off lightly and were as much competing against each other for some momentary attention they don't get at home. You get hitched, expect to be someone's plow horse and for it to be as fun as it sounds.

[–]Big-Ern13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus Fucking Christ, I don't understand what you're looking for. I don't think you know either. You went out to have a few drinks and then focused all your attention on the bullet you dodged.

[–]esirnus18[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's my anger phase dude, I used to be one of those chumps. hence the Rant flair.

[–]pragmaticbastard5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You just met someone that was a shitty person. They exist. Arguably, you edge on it too by "testing" her saying "if she enjoys it so much maybe she should get herself one." No need for that passive aggressive shit. If she was truly out for a free drink, let her wait it out and waste her time or look the fool by blatantly asking for a drink, then you can deny.

[–]Monsignor_Gilgamesh2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you know the right women you may come to the point where they pay you a drink or two. I have to admit that I'm such a cheapskate that I always let the woman pay for her stuff.

[–]telenoobies5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

When I lived in NYC. I went to a club with a buddy. I sat down at a booth and a some hb5 came over to me and looked at me dead in the eye and said "buy me a drink" . I asked why? And she replies "cuz in a girl"

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking hell!!! HB5's do that now. Brutal

[–]Bielzabutt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women aren't so subtle here. Had one stride right up to me and say, "Will you buy me a drink?" FIRST WORDS OUT OF HER MOUTH!

I replied with, "I don't think my girlfriend would like that!" (forever single/no attachment in sight)

This was met with lots of whining and manipulating till I finally said, "Why don't YOU buy ME a drink first? Then I'll buy you one." She did but that was the extent of our relationship since she saw I wasn't going to fawn over her. NEXT (for both of us)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great, you told the world I drive a mustang.

Doxed again

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy


Chicks don't just "use" guys.

We let them use us.

In my past I let myself be used.

Women treat betas like shit, because that's exactly what betas deserve.

[–]1jb_trp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ding. Ding. Ding.

You're exactly right. Men on this sub need to realize this: Spending $20 on drinks for some random girl isn't going to make her want you. I've found in every date I've gone on, it makes no difference if you pay or not. They like you or they don't. In fact, the Tinder dates where I can tell there's zero connection are the ones where the women are the least likely to even offer to pay. This is why I never take a new girl out for dinner. Just beer or coffee. And I almost always split if they offer.

Think about this way: Imagine a book table where all the books are free. People are just going to grab a bunch of books and probably not read most of them, because it cost them nothing. They didn't have to invest. But if each book cost $10, they would look them over and pick out a good one or two, because they don't want to waste their money. It's no different with dating.

A funny story: I was at a bar last week and these two girls I've never seen before sat next to me. I was alone so I made some banter with them. Well, one of the girl's ex-boyfriend beta bucks offers to buy them drinks, everyone drinks, and guess what? I get a free drink too just for being "with" them. I thought it was stupid. Men have to stop wasting their money on women who aren't interested.

[–]Aaronindhouse2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

No one 'deserves' to be treated the way betas are. Betas are functioning off of a system they were taught to believe works. They operate with a blindfold on believing they can see. Women will never feel empathy for us, that doesn't mean we should also throw away empathy for our fellow men. Save the betas you can.

[–]Warren_Bates1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sure but there are two classes: 1) the betas who truly don't know any better, and 2) the white knights who willfully allow themselves to be used.

While the former deserve sympathy, I am perfectly happy saying the later deserve to be stepped on.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There is numerous evidence on this sub that contradicts saving betas. This behavior of saving betas will pull you down and in 99 cases out of 100 you will end up wasting your time, compromising red pill and such.

You must be new here. Red knighting does not work.

[–]prodigy2throw2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol I know bottle service girls that get their bills paid by pre authorized credit charges from loyal "customers" of the club.

[–]Vanqhuix2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've never seen such a desperate bunch of idiots in my entire life

I don't agree with this attitude. Were they desperate? Fuck yes. Were they idiots? Wouldn't say so. They thought that's what will get them laid, at least they were trying. At some point in my life I may have done the same, but even back then I didn't consider myself an idiot, just because I didn't have a clue how women worked.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The whole point in calling them idiots is not that they were trying, but, they were doing the exact wrong thing. It's like buying a Lost Gold Mine Treasure Map. Sure, one is trying to better himself, but, well, he'd be an idiot.

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Figure of speech dude;) Didn't know these men, who knows maybe they were straight up geniuses.

[–]FuriousMouse2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's called "Rinsing" in the UK, and is quite a sport.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

God that is sick. I'm pretty good at getting favors from people but to take it to that kind of level is ridiculous and reeks of mental illness.

[–]Rommel05022 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If she didn't want to fuck you before an $800 meal, she sure as hell won't after it ...

My favorite first date spot was Lombardi's in Little Italy for pizza. In and out for under $30, and if I didn't get laid I still had the best pizza in the country and my wallet was none the worse for the wear ...

[–]spartan13372 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Reminds me of HIMYM Barney stinson "i never take new dates/girls to a restaurant until i have had sex with them at least 3 times", words to live by.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm beginning to think that I'm the straight reincarnation of Barney Stinson. (My ex used to call me Barney because of his antics)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some time ago, even before swallowing TRP, I was at a more or less underground bar. I left my group of peers to get a drink, and a bitch that had been observing me made her way to the bar. She "coincided" with me and started speaking to me about how she likes to drink and hit some shots while rubbing her ass on my leg. I thought about buying her something, but I had seen her doing the same to other chumps the same night. So, while being a little drunk, I told her if she wanted some shots, the bar in front of this one makes some good ones and should go there. She insulted me and went to another guy with the same bullshit story. I laughed in her face.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

wow this thread is full of people owning themselves

[–]joh21412 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bro realistically it's not just women who do that and you don't really need RP to know people get used for money or other privileges. I was lucky to straight up be told by a girl.who was obsessed with me she used her ex bf for money because he was filthy rich. Poor kid he was a good guy too. Unfortunately good guys get burned.

[–]SgtSplacker2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't get dinner dates with someone you don't even know. Food just makes you sluggish and it's fattening. It's harder to get a decent buzz with a full stomach. Alcohol is always more expensive in restaurants compared to bars. Asking a girl out to dinner just seems so stuffy and uptight. Dinner is boring, the thought of just sitting across from another person face to face trying to act proper royally blows. When I pay for alcohol I am paying for a good time, when I pay for dinner i'm just feeding your ass. Then there are these kinda hidden tests that take place when you do the dinner thing. Did you pick a good spot? Is it too cheap or too expensive? Are you going to pay? Is she going to offer? Is she ordering expensive dishes? Am I being used? I think i'm feeling my penis recede into my body just thinking about this crap, what a headache. Taking a person out for drinks for example, forces a different kind of interaction where you can see what a person is really about. You can see them make choices, placed in situations. At a restaurant the environment is too controlled. I save dinner dates for a person I am already accustomed to.

[–]imn0tg00d1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cut out dinner dates at restaurants altogether. Just learn to cook a few dishes and you will have amazing dates from then on.

[–]JMS1441 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Wait I'm confused are you a boy or a girl?

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Guy:) I'm in LTR right now, but have one girl I fuck on the side.

[–]crash10821 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would have asked her to buy me one.

[–]spencerc251 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The sad truth is that this behavior exists because enough men out there allow it. As long as some beta's are biting into her bullshit, then she will continue this behavior.

It's manipulation at its finest, but you can't hate on strategies that work. If we're being honest, I think a lot of us men would toe the line all the time on how much free shit we could get away with if we were women for a day/week/month/year/etc

[–]spinalmemes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Girls are gonna hate seeing you ruin the usability of these tricks by spreading awareness. Sorry ladies lol

[–]Fox_Red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is too true. Since I've taken up TRP I've never once bought a girl a drink at the bar.

However I have a semi different file for dates. I will always say let's head out somewhere and see how they react to the bill, you'd be surprised but 90% of the time she offers to pay the bill or at least split it. If you have high enough SMV she will feel like she doesn't deserve you and will want to pay.

If she does I will go along with it and often offer to buy her a drink at the next place. As long as she doesn't feel entitled to the date and free food / drinks I don't mind spending 5$ on a girl. However never buy a drink for a bar leech.

[–]esirnus18[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I now use a simple rule. I ask myself if this chick were a dude would I buy him a beer? In the past I often paid for strangers drinks after an amazing conversation with them, or they just turned out to be an all around awesome guy/girl who's really fun to talk to.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. It isn't so bad to buy someone's drink if they are cool as shit.

[–]ThisTension1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I live in a blue-collar town and make very good money. This doesn't really happen to much where I live. However.. Go to city full of wealthy dudes and spoiled girls and this is the norm. I'm looking at you Boston, NYC, Miami, Vegas, LA, ETC

[–]Ninokun0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

i dont really understand why she feels the need to do this, if she isnt their to enjoy her time with friends, or trying to meet men for more then just drinking

i mean if u want to get pregame Drunk just buy a cheap bottle of wine for 3 dollars...

[–]ECoast_Man3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're way off. There are two basic reasons why women are doing this:

1) Lots of women don't have a ton of money. Sure, they have enough to pay the rent, but they don't view it the way you are implying. Sure, they can afford a cheap bottle of wine but that's five bucks less money they could have to go towards clothes or drinks later on. Why spend five when you can get it for free?

2) This satisfies their desire for validation in addition to point 1. She got free drinks and an evening of men stroking her ego. That sounds like more fun than drinking on your own dime, alone, doesn't it?

You need to think a bit more about what it's like to be an HB8 or higher. These women get everything for free just for showing up when it comes to social engagements. Forget the fact that they rarely buy drinks or drugs at a bar, they often get just free shit all the time in the form of rent money or gifts or shit. Life is very different for an HB8 or higher girl. The girl I'm sort of seeing, plate I guess, at the moment would probably be homeless if she wasn't a knockout latina. She's fun and all that, but she's absolutely stunned when it comes to basic things because dudes have just been doing it for her. I had her over Saturday and cooked a basic meal because I was watching the basketball. Just a steak (not even a good cut really) with asparagus and some avocado I needed to get rid of and she was just blown away by how good of a cook I was. I mean, this was like 10-15 minutes in total. You should think about this more, it becomes very apparent why women go to bars in the way described by OP when you understand this.

[–]Ninokun1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

thank you very much for your answer, must be shit having so little self confidence that they seek validation so much

wonder why they dont just outright jump into prostitution if they would sleep with men just for rent :)

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They don't sleep with most of them. Guys will give them shit if the girl just gives them the slightest idea in their minds that they have a shot.

[–]ECoast_Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah this is a common sighting if you spend time at bars or concerts or whatever. Good tale.

I like the fact as well that she probably started at you because you were the better looking dude at the bar, and then when you swatted that away she went down the totem pole as required until she found her chumps. I haven't thought of it that way, but I'm sure that's how it goes down.

[–]esirnus18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank fucking god for this place (TRP) last few month I saw so much of the red pill truths act out in real life...I used to fell for this sort of shit.

[–]darkmoon091 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

where group of "Dad Bod" overweight betas were munching on French fries and sipping beer. Soon enough they started pouring her beer and buying her shots.

As someone who regularly visits bars, these guys are the worst. The older and out of shape beta slob who has money to spend being so thirsty for a whiff of female attention is always a pathetic scene to witness, it's funny looking at it with RP lenses - you see exactly how these guys are being played for fools by girls who wouldn't touch them sexually a mile long pole yet know exactly how to leverage and work a thirsty man. I guess to be fair to those guys they're usually older and thus probably don't realize what the modern SMP is like and how vapid and manipulative young women ca be, still though you'd think a guy who has money would realize that women will attempt to take advantage of them, maybe some of them realize it but don't care, in that case just quit fooling yourself you old thirsty bastards and just pay for hookers already.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Everytime I see those guys, I elbow my way in to getting some of those free drinks. That guy will just sit back and watch you game those girls that he is buying shots for, and will seriously high five you when you've made out with one of them. The whole time you're getting free drinks too because he is your new bro. I do this pretty much weekly. When you are successful with women everyone will want to hang around you like it rubs off or something. Idk how to explain it better than that.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's interesting, nice work. Gotta give that a try.

[–]trpthroway1231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is so stupidly common that once you learn how to spot it you'll see it everywhere you go.

I was at a St Paddy's parade with some buddies. One started chatting up a group of 3 girls (HB 7/8's). Body language made it clear they had no interest, attitudes made it clear they were out for free drinks, it was as clear as day even half drunk and 20 feet away.

He called me over to wingman, and he suggests a round of shots, to which they of course agree. I followed him to the bar and made it clear no one has a chance with these girls, they're just out for free drinks. Don't even bother with the shots, lets just hit the next bar and find some girls that are down for more than free drinks.

He insists I'm wrong, buys the shots, and we go back. They down the shots, and without a thank you, mention that their beers are almost empty, looking at him to buy a round (first time they made eye contact). I shoot him the "I fucking told ya so" eyes, he doesn't offer to refill, so they say they're going to the bathroom. 30 seconds later, I pointed out the window. They're walking to the next bar.

I let him know "I fuckin told you".

He did it twice more that night, didn't even get a number.

[–]YiloMiannopoulos1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Heh. I was out with these two whores a few months ago. And by whores I mean one had 3 kids with 2 fathers that were out of the picture and the other was prego at the time. I wasn't particularly interested in either so I was just doing my own thing. I didn't spend anything on them.

But this fat drunk beta was all over them. He was buying them whatever they wanted. I pulled him aside later and clued him in and he said he didn't mind. So I just sat back and watched.

One girl handed me her drink later and said she would "be right back." She went outside to do coke with some black dudes. Then the other asked me to watch her wallet while she disappeared to the restroom to do coke.

Just like the good little beta they thought I was I left the bar and went home. I got a text later saying "Where are you with my drink." I told her I wasn't her cup holder and we never spoke again.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And this story shows your high value how?

[–]YiloMiannopoulos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It doesn't..? I was just telling a story man. Relax

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Kind of strange. Everyone waits in the car while she does a pre-game on the house?

She sounds like a major alcoholic, but it's nice of Chad to drive her around so she doesn't get her third DUI. Well, in truth she probably pussy passed her way out of all potential DUIs.

[–]esirnus18[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The car just pulled in. They called her to get outside. I think the guy in the mustang fucked all of these girls and spend only gas money for his 5.0 GT premium gasoline.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Become bros with that guy. Guys who get women tend to like other guys who get women. Source - I'm a guy who gets women.

[–]Redasshole1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To women, there are 3 kinds of people :

  • other women (ennemies)

  • guys who gives her money

  • guys to whom they give sex

Those categories are mutually exclusives.

You did the right thing. Time, energy, money - it doesn't matter. Never give any ressource to any woman is a good rule of thumb. Of course it can't always be applied but that's a better rule of thumb to apply than "always be spending your ressources on women".

[–]RPDrogan1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

If it makes you feel better I'm a guy and I do a variation of this as well.

I don't really like online dating because it takes the sense of achievement out of it for me. However I need something to do while taking shits and tinder is perfect. So what I like to do is when I match with a girl on tinder, I'll invite her to meet up with me at a restaurant. I'll tease her about bringing money cuz I'm not a cheap date. Then I order whatever I want, and eat most of it. Flirt with her the whole time, maintain eye contact, and just be overall charming.

Then when I'm done with all the food and drinks I want, I pretend to get a phone call. I excuse myself to take the call, then I leave and she gets to pay for my food.

Society dictates that I should feel bad but I couldn't care less. I'm sure these women will make many men pay for their food in the future. I just don't happen to be 1 of them. And its nice to get a free meal.

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

When I was in my early 20's I used to go to bars, I would go chat up some friendly looking group of people and talk about lots of stuff, you name it politics, history (I'm pretty well read guy and fallow current events religiously) after 10 min I would say something like: Oh it's actually my bday today but all my friends are away on some sort of vacation or something. The people, often times women would offer me free drinks and rounds on the house, bartenders too. I felt a little guilty afterwards but, hey... I was young and broke:)

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I dress like a pirate sometimes. That always gets me free drinks. I'm still able to somehow pick up women dressed like an idiot too, so there's that.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow that's actually really shitty that you ditch. Convince her to pay for it. If you're dining and ditching you're just a piece of shit.

[–]RPDrogan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm currently a university student and with tuition/housing costs, money is tight. I figured that I spent years learning how to pickup women and I might as well put those skills to use to get myself a nice meal once or twice a week.

I'm not saying it's my proudest accomplishment, but I also can't say I'm ashamed. Just doing what makes my life better.

[–]imn0tg00d1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love milfs! I remember one night a couple months ago I was in a bar with my navy buddy and this older lady, maybe a 6.5, approached me. We could tell by the way she was dressed and her behavior that she was fucking made of money. After she hit on me for a while my buddy said in confidence to me "She might not look that great but you will be eating good the entire time!". You're damned right I let her take me out for a few nights!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women love a guy that provides things and buys them stuff, not for who the guy is. Just a while ago, I overheard the perfect example at work which proves the theory. These women were talking about how the newest wuss she was seeing "bought me tampons...he's a keeper". So after he buys her something and brings it to her, he's a keeper? Yup, theory proved...fucking twats...

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ummm your story doesn't really make sense. Tampons are like 8 bucks a box. I think they were implying that he was willing to humiliate himself by buying the tampons, so therefore he was willing to do pretty much anything for the girl. That discussion wasn't about money at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

" I've never seen such a desperate bunch of idiots in my entire life. " Hahahahaha. I like this

[–]Aaronindhouse2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is no inherent problem with buying a woman drinks, or anyone for that matter. The real problem comes from expecting something from a person because you bought them a drink. If you are going to give someone something freely, make it free. Don't expect something in return for an act of good will.

[–]OffenseOfThePest points points [recovered] | Copy

Wtf were you doing, a stake out? We're supposed to believe you were at the bar, alone, minding your own business, and were casually able to observe all of this person's conversations and bathroom usage? And see what happened outside the building too? Get fuckin real...

[–]esirnus18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The place is like this beer garden Oktoberfest style lots of open space and see thru walls. I was by myself slow day and just got curious, after she didn't come back from the bathroom. Didn't need to be fucking James Bond to see what was on.

[–]Late30sMasculist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting field report. I've been around the block and I've never seen anyone be that blatant about getting free drinks. Usually a girl will "hit and run." Get one drink, make nice with the guy and then move to another part of the bar I guess to repeat.

Was she socially engaged with the beer buying betas at all, or did she just play on her phone while they bought her multiple rounds? Just curious.

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck yeah she was but in this kind of "buddy buddy" sort of way she was getting drunker by the minute too. If the mustang Chad didn't pulled over I bet she would let them finger her for an extra Jack n coke.

[–]innerpeice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

i've been on the pill(?!) lol. i fucking love it!

[–]esirnus18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol!! I wrote that when I came back home still a bit tipsy. I was just fucking mad on myself for not catching on to this sort of whoreish behavior earlier. Didn't think it's gonna blow up so much I guess guys can relate to this.

[–]alexclarkbarry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are missing the point. A $200 dinner at a nice restaurant probably costs like $20 for a place to make. People pay for the experience, if you own the place you don't need to pay that cost. If you own any high end place the cost of using said place for yourself is negligible.

[–]its-a-deal points points [recovered] | Copy

after only 5 minutes or so some HB8 sits down next to me and starts being friendly with me

Here from all, this story really resonates. What's an HB8?

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Read the glossary of terms in the sidebar

Hb8- hot babe 8/10 on the scale of attractiveness

[–]its-a-deal points points [recovered] | Copy

Thanks, should have read before I commented.

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well in your defense you came from all. We couldn't expect you to know the terminology on your first day, so it wasn't a dumb question.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is why the wall is so damaging and the narrative tries to push it back as much as possible. Being used to all these free things plus having the tingles a Chad gives once every while she is quite happy until then.

[–]JMS1440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ohh okay I gotcha best of luck my friend!

[–]SouloftheVoid0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Reminds of when Dick Masterson went on Dr. Phil, specifically the lines he said while standing next to the ATM.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

[–]imn0tg00d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once you get good at this you see different results. Had I been in that situation I would have inevitably been dragged into that black mustang with the girls and met a new bro.

[–]soultrader_reddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can we please just not say "I've been on the pill for....."? It's just weird and totally antithetical to what this sub is about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I read your first sentence thinking you meant birth control, and spent a long, confused time trying to sort out your story.

[–]LaV-Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm: I thought the same thing.

[–]PenguinRosa0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I first read "how chickens use guys like ATM's

[–]of-maus-and-men0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would've offered her a sip. But then again maybe her mouth has herpes? Hmm

[–]JMS144-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're in a long term relationship why are you banging other strange?? Be loyal to your girl!

[–]esirnus18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude I've tried and nearly ended up in the "Dead Bedroom" situation. The other girl has lower SMV than me and knows it. My girl doesn't live with me and we see each other on weekends. When I need to bust a nut on Wednesday I just call cindy, it's purely physical.

[–]melvocado-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whine whine. My sample size of one person means "women as a whole use men as ATMs". Wronnng

[–]rested_green2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

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