Cross posting from MRP
Happy women act like children all the time. They believe in romantic vampires and knights in shining armour. They believe in fairy tales, they care about the Kardashians and they are scared of moths. They sleep with soft toys and get mad at you because of how you acted in her dream. However all of this behaviour is the privilege of the alpha male. Beta males find it offensive that we would suggest women are children, because they never get to observe that behaviour. You see when a woman is in the presence of a vagina drying beta, they act much like man. Indeed they have to act like a man because in the presence of a beta, no masculinity is in the room. She is forced to act logically, solve problems and lead because there is no one there to lead for her.
This is why manginas and SJW are so offended with red pill theory. They see women as equals who want to be politicians, doctors, CEOs and scientists. In reality only a fraction of women truly want to do that sort of work, there is no glass ceiling, just women who are not attractive enough to secure an alpha male so she is forced to act like a man herself. All the while she is upset that no man finds her attractive so her anger manifests as feminism due to her victim status. The betas of society believe the lies told to them by unattractive women who went to university to waste their time on gender studies. Even some attractive women have been brainwashed into thinking that they need to act like a man and be "equal". Feminism does more harm to women than it does to men.
Alpha men see the real woman and her real behaviour. They hear her squeals of delight when he comes home or lifts her up. They feel her completely surrender her body and become like liquid in his arms. They know she does not want to decide which restaurant to go to or where to holiday, she wants surprise and adventure. They know what it is to lead and provide for her, to relieve her of the thing she hates to do the most, think. She does not want to think, she wants to FEEL. Real red pill men know this so we see her behave as a child all of the time. Often this includes childish behaviour, temper tantrums, power plays, and other manifestations of childish behaviour we understand as shit and comfort tests. Whenever she tries to lead she is only testing you. If you let her lead she will become miserable and sabotage herself and all around her in the subconscious discomfort she is forced to endure. She does not want to lead, she wants a real man to do it.
So next time your girl is acting like a baby, whining over stupid shit, upset because of a dream she had, or generally misbehaving, smile to yourself and know that this childish behaviour is her natural state. She cannot help it, you have become the leader so she is now free to act naturally. Her natural state is submissive, pliable, temperamental and childlike. Part of her childish behaviour is being naughty sometimes. Simply treat her the way you would a naughty child and the behaviour will soon pass. Never lose frame, never negotiate with terrorists, just slap her on the ass and laugh it off. Know that if she was with a beta she would not be acting like this, she would be acting like a man and vying for control.
Also know this, if your woman is constantly vying for control, attempting to take the reigns of the budget, making major non-domestic decisions, then that is all on you. It is totally your fault and you have allowed beta behaviour to become part of your habits and character. The more she seeks to take charge, the more beta you are. Any guy who has made the transformation from beta to more alpha on the spectrum knows this is true. When he was beta she berated him and complained about life, she tried to take charge on issues, she was unhappy, she refused sex. Now that he has his shit together it is like she is a new person, she fucks him eagerly, she likes the direction of her life, she seeks his approval, and she acts like a spoiled little girl. Such behaviour is the privilege and domain of the alpha male, enjoy it.
I first observed this about a year and a half ago. After a while, I raised it a few times on TRP that I wondered "do all women eventually devolve into acting like children and doing really stupid childish shit?" and I cited that it'd happened for the past three women I'd been with.
Speaking as of now, it's happened with all women but one. The one it didn't happen with was a complete pain in the arse to manage and only lasted as a plate for a couple of months. I imagine she may have been alpha widowed or perhaps had another alpha giving her an easier time. I didn't bother verifying her situation much since she was never a main plate.
Essentially this is the target. If she's basically acting in the same way that a loving little daughter of 5 would act around her father then you are currently the alpha of her world. While it can be irritating, it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative, so get into it and you'll enjoy it.
This speaks volumes of the content of your character, being modest after the quality content you have produced. Its always important to keep one's ego in check but with some of the users who haven't seen/done /contributed a fraction of what you have should be a friendly reminder to us all of how to conduct ourselves.
This couldn't be more true.
Women are the happiest when they are in their feminine. They can only be in that state when they trust that you're a man who can lead her. The childish behaviour she displays is reserved for her alpha male; When she knows you're not going to judge her (like a beta male would) and she trusts that you've got it under control (make decisions, pass tests, fuck her right).
"The way of the superior man" is a great book to read on masculine and feminine energy. Takes a red pill lens to most of it.
The child analogy is good because if you look at children and why people so fondly miss childhood it is because they'll never again be in a frame of mind to so completely be out of touch with the struggles of reality. They are free to just explore their own space and enjoy their visceral lives. It's partly why children are able to so thoroughly immerse themselves in things, they know that mom and dad take care of everything, they just gotta show up.
Similarly when you see the really sad moments a child has incredibly irresponsible parents or no structure in their life provided, they must grow up ahead of their age and it really fucks them up. They never really got to be a kid, it's honestly one of the most heartbreaking ordinary things that can happen to a person. That person usually becomes very mature and responsible, but fails to address their own needs until they collapse somehow.
Oh boy. You folks here sure know how to hit home on subjects like these.
Thank you.
The first time my wife woke up pissed at me due to my actions in her dreams (I was a real jerk!) I laughed in her face, and she responded with an embarrassed smile. It will forever be an awesome tool for me to call on for wife management.
If this happens to you, you have been blessed.
What would you do if your child had a bad dream and started crying? Would you laugh in his/her face?
Is the child angry at you that they had a bad dream?
If the child was crying, I would provide comfort and remind them that it was only a dream. If the child was angry I would most certainly laugh in their face.
Perhaps this is not the subreddit you are looking for...
oh chedder, i think you may be lost
I think you wanted the blue pill sub there AFC.
Yeah me and the red pill guys here often go to orphanages together to wake up little orphan kids who are having nightmares, then we put in vampire teeth and laugh in their little faces. Mwuuh hahahahaha.
"you are not going to judge her, like a beta male would".
I disagree. Women want to be judged. You must treat them like children so you judge her and enforce boundaries. Daddy/girl dynamic. She misbehaves : punish her. It is Beta males who do not judge their women because they are too afraid to lose them. Not judging the hoes also implies she can take decisions, which she cannot. Girl < You
He means that you won't look down on her for her misbehavior
I think there is a nuanced difference here.
She needs a cuddly toy to hug, to be able to sleep at night. You're mildly amused, but don't judge. After she's done something really nice for you, you buy her a larger teddy.
She needs to drink 1/2 a bottle of wine every night to calm herself after her sales/retail job. You're stoically disapproving, and research out therapy options, as well as alternate career pathways.
What are examples of good punishments for misbehavior? I guess the best would be refusal to allow her to share your time, a timeout so to speak. I would like other perhaps less extreme examples though for playful misbehavior. A spanking comes to mind but I could see it more as reward to her.
bend her over your lap and spank her everytime she misbehaves. I don't know if it will make things better though, my 3 plates love being spanked after a long boring day at work and all of them have beautiful booties.
Yea that seems more like reward to me, I am looking for actual punishment, withholding your attention seems the most obvious but I am looking for other options.
just talk to her like you would to a child... make her sit and tell her you don't like this childish behavior. Don't talk like a betafag, you are commanding, not requesting. No smiles, no laughter, be blunt and be serious. Act like a leader, get treated like one.
Works like a charm on my plates, you are just setting boundaries. And women mostly function on feels, specifically, the feels felt by her.
If a particular action leads to drama, excitement and a butthurt boyfriend = good feel. But if that same action is dealt with stern action and annoyance = bad feel+ guilt
No one wants to feel bad and guilty for minor reasons or silly behaviors. A lot of this is so similar to disciplining a kid its amusing. When a kid acts like you want them to, you spoil them with tickles, candies, toys.. when they don't, you take away the toy, the attention, the smile and don't return it till they behave. Do it a few times and it'll become the unspoken rule among you
The best way to punish bad behavior is to withdraw your attention for awhile. Trust me she will start to crave it and then walk into your frame seeking your attention again and she will likely behave better if you don't act beta
Second vote for WAY OF THE SUPERIOR MAN--
That one, along with NO MORE MR NICE GUY and THE RATIONAL MALE, are the 3 must read books for The Red Pill.
The way of the superior Man mentions most of how you are to behave/act but not what to expect of a woman's behavior.
I find it extremely hard to digest the pill that women by default are naive ! This probably is the red pill people talk about.
Which makes me want to ask another question - are women really not bothered about career, their potential to earn money and would they rather be happy flowing with someone else's achievement. Is their sense of self purely a sense of experiencing life. Do they have no aim whatsoever of becoming something..
Read "the manipulated man", written by a woman. According to the author: yes. they have not this sense of ambition that we have. The ones who are thriving do it out if necessity or to increase mating value.
I've seen this in many of the career women I know, but especially the ones I've fucked.
I've fucked a couple of childless doctors, nurses, lawyers, real estate agents and one post-wall HB8 who owned like 200 propane stores in Florida, all of whom regularly lamented their careers as a barrier to their domestic happiness. I genuinely felt sadness for them because you could tell they knew how they'd eventually end up, yet they had to keep going because their careers were all they had and admitted they hoped to find someone who appreciated their ambition, but could still take care of them if they wanted to take a break and have a child.
Not that different than us then, hot women are born with all their value, we don't have shit. For us it's forge yourself or be invisible, for them show your tits and ass to shine like a beacon. If I were son of a billionaire I wouldn't bother doing shit, my life would be weed escorts and whatever I want at that moment, only because I don't have them all given me in a golden plate I have to carve my own path.
Stereotypes are a poor lens to loom at the world through. Having known people in this category, most are insanely driven high achievers. Escorts are entirely superfluous due to your status. Weed varies: sometimes frowned upon, sometimes defended. But these kids aren't sitting on their couch getting high 24/7 watching Robot Chicken reruns. Those who do smoke tend to treat weed like alcohol, in that there's an obvious difference between occasionally enjoying a few drinks (or even getting blackout with your bros) and regularly using it to numb the pain of daily existence.
Your attitude is something the parents of these kids despise. The first step is usually attempt to reform, the second (when the first doesn't work, which isn't often) is being disinherited in favor of more competent siblings.
I'm talking about American rich kids in my part of the country, maybe it's different elsewhere.
If you're talking about the sons of Chinese moguls (another group I'm familiar with), they generally stay away from weed but escorts are an everyday occurrence. In my opinion it's because their culture teaches them that inherited wealth bestows inherent superiority (getting rid of the desire for self improvement in terms of social habits/status) whereas American rich kids are generally taught that wealth gives them a great responsibility.
Having grown up in a developing country that's neither America nor China (one famous for gaudy displays of wealth), I like the understated American way the best (not that it has zero flaws).
I wasn't stereotyping, I was merely saying what I would do if I were filthy rich but it makes sense though, no wonder rich men wouldn't let spoiled brat to ruin the empire they built but again it still comes to my argument, they are driven because they have to, otherwise they would lose the lifestyle they are accustomed to which should be like dropping from haven.
America is developed. China is developing. Developing is a PC term for third world. China is the leader of the third world, but it ain't first world like America.
Obvious I'm using the modern interpretation of the terms, not the cold war definitions.
From my experience I can say that ancestral superiority is drilled into our heads from a really young age. We usually like to talk about how great our ancestors are and how we're supposed to emulated them and live up to their example or we're useless to the family.
Basically, setting the standard early. Idk about how the super rich in non traditional families are taught though...
TRP tends to disregard this question a lot. Of course there are loads of driven women out there, but inevitably they want to be able to chill and have kids relying on an alpha to be the breadwinner.
What about the major social changes and the shift of what is to be expected of men.We are somehow expected to be more sensitive, this by regard means women would also have to change their stance - which has already happened with women assuming masculine roles themselves.
Even though men are getting emasculated on a daily basis, one might argue this is the normal trend of the modern age, with one twist - if women do not acknowledge this trend and not give into the why of its happening eventually they are the ones who will suffer; with relationships for not understanding their men.
Us men will have to do all thats needed to preserve what we believe our truly manly self to be, but this applies to women too - they too will have to understand our struggles which Im sure they wont bother to.
For some reason I see women as beings who constantly poke a mans ego, sometimes going too far - maybe this is what nature expected of them, with ego being a masculine quality in itself. With women taking masculine roles and not understanding the hurt that is associated with disrespecting this quality they too will have to endure these tests - I am of course talking about the "career centric" women of today.
My comment above is on the theories which I ascribe to somewhat, from "The way of the superior man" and "No more Mr nice guy"
If you're following what society expects of you and not what you've learned through trial and error in your own life, then you are going to fail.
I'm from a very rough area. "What society expects of you" is completely irrelevant here and it's very dog eat dog. If I grew up trying to implement such irrelevant ideas I would fail, learn why it failed and readjust my expectations and behaviour.
Women instinctually know the truth as do men. We've all been swayed by society about what the truth actually is. Once you forget what society expects of you, you won't care about such expectations in the first place and judge yourself by your own measure.
Nothing drives a career centric plate crazier than denying her a lack of reciprocated respect for her so-called achievements and half-cocked ideas. What they fail to realize is that they are affirmative action charity cases whose every accolade hinges on Men lowering the bar and humoring them. It's best not to allow them to engage in any kind of deep or esoteric discourse with you because their assertion of wisdom distillation is nothing more than a shit test. Nothing but amused mastery and condescension for feminazi psuedointellectuals.
You have to strive and become something, because you're a man.
She doesn't need to become anything, she's already the best thing she could be, without effort, without much becoming. A beloved woman.
Be careful judging that disparity as frivolous, unfair, or thinking that women are somehow cheating at life because they "don't have to work for it". That would only be true if they were the same as men, and they are decidedly not the same.
Women's nature will blow you away with its contrasts, how it's so not like what you're used to as a man. But if you force every woman to compete against men in man things, then you will only make women around you miserable and always find yourself disappointed in them. Don't chuck the baby out with that dirty bathwater!
A supremely successful man can have 100s or 1000s of kids. And a failure can have 0. So men have huge ambition.
A supremely successful woman can have 10-20 kids. But she could equally have had those kids if she just paired up with a supremely successful man. And a woman who fails can still have 2-3 kids.
The cause of our behavioural differences mostly boils down to the required amount of investment males/females have in a pregnancy - 5 minutes for an alpha male and 9 months (+2-3 years minimum) for a woman.
Form follows function. To the Atheist, the function of the individual is reproduction, ultimately(Source: Richard Dawkins), and not just in the simplistic #ofBabies sense, but in the long-term 20 generations from now sense. Male -and- female observable mating strategies fall immediately out of this viewpoint:
Men R or K select, and Women alpha-fuck(maximizes sperm quality) and beta-buck(maximizes her childrens' resources).
Now, ask yourself a simple question: What does having a career have to do with any of this?
For men, both R and K selectors get more valuable mates by being in a more attractive career. Male doctors can get laid far more easily than male cashiers, and can find LTRs easier too.
For women? Not much.... It plays into -neither- of her core strategies in a direct manner. Actually having a career is the worst possible method for her to meet an Alpha. A bikini, a manicure and a sexy voice is faster, cheaper, and more reliable. And Betas don't -want- hardass career women(Betas tend to believe in K selection more than Alphas, but lack the masculinity to earn it), so she's less attractive there. For a woman, a career is a safety-net or a backup plan, not a goal, so why the fuck would she value it in herself? It doesn't make sense.
Yes women could -like- careers, coincidentally, just like some men like taking dick up the ass, but in both cases, its unnatural.
Successful career female here who earns more than her husband right now. If my hubby is a stable alpha, it is not that a career isn't important so much as it isn't a priority.
When my hubby worked and I did not, I focused 110% on him, his needs, appreciating him for everything he provided, etc. Things felt in balance. I find it difficult to describe. It just "felt right."
Flip to now. A lot has happened since those days, and our relationship dynamic changed(he went from alpha to beta because of a lifechanging event). I am hellbent on a career because I feel there isn't a balance any more, that I can rely or depend on him financially or from the leadership commandment standpoint.
Nothing gives me more satisfaction than saying how awesome and great my hubby is. Period. My role is ti support him... Does that mean I can do it with a successful career? I think so. But.. I would much rather him be the big shot than I.
Please follow the rules of the subreddit.
Sorry did not realize I was out of line. Comment removed.
This sub has too many ugly, and therefore angry, beta fags to acknowledge that some women are attractive and have goals beyond being lead.
My girls is leading her companies east Asian market expansion. According to the sexless manchildren in this sub that means she is waiting for a man to lead her. This is partially true. When I'm around she speaks of starting a school in Vietnam with me, but when I'm away she refocuses on her career.
She wants both equally: comfortable domestic safety, and exciting challenges. I don't know why I'm wasting words on the retards in this sub. But a lot of what you guys have to say is true. My own girl regularly confirms it, not just through her actions, she literally says she wants me to lead her. But she is a human, and has more than one angle to her personality.
This is purple pill logic. You need to read more of Rollo Tomassi. I suspect your girl is focused on her career because she is not sure if she wants to have children with you (I am betting she has no kids with you). She is probably still waiting to branch swing to a stronger man so her true nature can express herself. She provably craves a real man who does not come into a sub to call it's subscribers "sexless manchildren", "ugly angry beta fags" and "retards" to fill her up with his alpha semen. One day you will read back on this and cry.
I'm afraid you don't understand women. You only understand a small percentage. If what you say is true, we wouldn't have so many housewives throughout the past 10 or so decades who felt 'lost' and 'bored' with their lives, because they never got to achieve anything outside of the home - and they often had very "alpha" husbands.
Women to achieve for the sake of achievement. It's a human drive.
You don't need to read more Rollo. He's misleading you. You need to watch what women are doing and have been doing over decades to get the real picture.
Rollo isn't a god or even a proper philosopher per se. The shit he write is comprehensive and serves a very important purpose but in the end he is neither above nor below anyone.
this childish wet dream of going back to 1920s isn't very practical. Moreover its going to fuck up men even more. Bitches have more than one side to their personality, in the end the onus is on you as a man to make yourself so good that there is little doubt on who is leading the relationship.
Women are children and women are adults and they display both of these traits from time to time depending on situation and the people involved.
Your comment is reasonable in parts but contradictory in others. My post indicates that women behave submissively in the presence of a alpha male, this necessarily includes the realisation that she behaves in other ways without one. You pointing out that "bitches have more than one side" does nothing. You are either white knighting or virtue signalling, both of which are banned. So if you have anything to say then say it. Do not just sit there like a keyboard ninja and double talk my post.....bitch
damn you broke him apart, he deleted his reddit account
You get women. (Except for the part where she wants you to lead her, but hey, everyone's different)
honestly you sound like a beta fag
This is purple pill logic. You need to read more of Rollo Tomassi. I suspect your girl is focused on her career because she is not sure if she wants to have children with you (I am betting she has no kids with you). She is probably still waiting to branch swing to a stronger man so her true nature can express herself. She provably craves a real man who does not come into a sub to call it's subscribers "sexless manchildren", "ugly angry beta fags" and "retards" to fill her up with his alpha semen. One day you will read back on this and cry.
This is purple pill logic. You need to read more of Rollo Tomassi. I suspect your girl is focused on her career because she is not sure if she wants to have children with you (I am betting she has no kids with you). She is probably still waiting to branch swing to a stronger man so her true nature can express herself. She provably craves a real man who does not come into a sub to call it's subscribers "sexless manchildren", "ugly angry beta fags" and "retards" to fill her up with his alpha semen. One day you will read back on this and cry.
This is purple pill logic. You need to read more of Rollo Tomassi. I suspect your girl is focused on her career because she is not sure if she wants to have children with you (I am betting she has no kids with you). She is probably still waiting to branch swing to a stronger man so her true nature can express herself. She provably craves a real man who does not come into a sub to call it's subscribers "sexless manchildren", "ugly angry beta fags" and "retards" to fill her up with his alpha semen. One day you will read back on this and cry.
They are focused on that when they are alone. They like the thought of a career but I bet if you asked them what they would rather have: a strong man and children or a career they would choose man and family.
Bingo. Ill bet 95% would choose man/family. You see so many career women pissed off later in life when they don't have a man. I don't see women who have a good man and an ok job wishing that they spent more energy on their career.
Angry career women can't seem to figure out that women who are pretty and in shape give me a bonor. A woman with fat earnings and a fancy job title has never given me a bonor.
Thanks for the book recommendation!
TWOTSM is inherently a Purple Pill book though.
Yeah I've always believed that once a girl starts acting like a child she is fully into me. It's a whole fun dynamic to be a part of. For example just before we cooked a meal and when I'm sat eating she's giggling away poking and prodding like a little terrorising child after attention, eventually I turn her over and spank her for misbehaving, letting her know this and keeping it fun. Before your know it, she's now rolling around on the floor giddy, like a child on fine grade sugar.
"like a child on fine grade sugar" lmfao
Whoa...This just blew my mind. I kept wondering why my gf was acting literally like a child at times.
she can only soften when a man is there to be hard
I was reading this on the toilet... had to clean the brain matter off the wall after that nugget of wisdom, seriously so many things just clicked right now
You had to clean nuggets of poop matter off your brain? Sounds nasty. Hope you didn't go clicking too many things while on the toilet. Could get messy and unhygienic real fast.
Never thought I would say this... but... username checks out
It's funny because IckyStickyPoo's username is very applicable to their comment.
beep bop if you hate me, reply with "stop". If you just got smart, reply with "start".
Yeah, I'm big kid, really.
(Oh noes, red pill truths.... but yes, sadly, I laugh at my own poop jokes. To me it would be criminal not to make a connection between toilet and nuggets....)
common sense is not so common
This right here gentlemen. If you are getting feedback from her trying to take control, you're slipping.
So much effort, so little reward, that's why I don't bother anymore.
and that's why your bloodline ends right here after 70000 years of fighting it through. bye
So TRP implies reproduction now? I'd say 90%+ here are DO NOT MARRY DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN
The whole human race could easily end given the right circumstances.
That's why we need to build a giant robot fist to punch the sun before it explodes.
To some this presents a challenge. To me, having already been married and lived with three different girls, not to mention flings and ltr's over the years, it's a fucking major headache and the juice is no longer worth the squeeze. This is why I gravitated towards the mgtow thing.
Who needs a child as your partner?
That's what I've always said. I totally understand WHY they act like it, but damn it, I'm a grown up. I want a grown up partner.
start stretching your butthole.
no, really.
LOL. I understand the context now. Yeah, no thanks. I like my butthole untouched. Ha!
Men are partners, women are: your woman, the old lady, the ball and chain, your ho, your shawty, muh bitch, etc.
This is why you lead. Have ever led a group of boys? When I was Boy Scout (16) i used to lead the cub scouts at camp. You had to know when to let them have fun and know when to get their attention and be serious and they had to understand and respect you when you were being serious. It's the same with the women in your life. YOU have to let them have fun when it's time for fun and make them step up and be serious when it's time to be serious. It's on you.
As wild of a concept as this sounds I really didn't know that. Growing up, I was taught to build my muscles professionally, so I am the consummate professional. I also among my group tend to be the leader, but that's because I have a strong personality and I don't think about it unless someone points it out.
No one until recently and now with your response expressly explained to me that you have to do the same with women. If I knew these tidbits of info, I would have been leaps and bounds ahead of where I am with women. Thank you for the clarity. Ugh I hate my blue pill indoctrination.
A girlfriend/wife isn't a partner. That suggests equality.
She's a subordinate
So true... bummer that i just read it now.. yesterday i was sleeping next to my plate, all of a sudden she woke up and started teasing me while i still slept. Pulling out some rogue back hairs, blowing in my neck and eventually jumping on me.
First thing that came to my mind: she's really a child! She talks big about her carriere and her plans for the future. But at the end she's just a big child looking for attention from her man.
I couldn't agree more. I see this clearly on my LTR. I find it impressive actually, how accurate TRP can be sometimes.
My first introduction to TRP was me judging many of the posts as being blatantly sexist, but once you have some life experience and can relate all this shit makes sense.
Good post, loved it. Relevant material from Roissy, proprietor of Chateau Heartiste – Talking to children is good practice for talking to women, plus a few other of his posts.
ΣMasculinity = ΣFemininity in a relationship
How does a man act, when they are happy? Enlighten me.
Have you never been happy as a man? We don't become children we just get friendlier. Like if someone keyed my car while I was happy I'd only punch him rather than throw him over my shoulder
sure thing, I'd bet my life on that, but anyway the point was - this is not a scientific theory, this is a random dude from the internet making huge, useless generalizaton
I was being sarcastic
This is true in my experience. I am a woman, I am attractive and I am not stupid. I have been surrounded by beta males my entire life as there are so few alphas left these days. When I am in the presence of the rare true alpha it frees me to not 'be a child', but to be childlike. I get to be open, free, spontaneous, safe, sexy, fun, vulnerable and in the moment. I get to feel feminine without judgement or insecurity. Alpha males do understand this and create a space and energy around them where this can happen. I never feel this way around beta males, instead I feel like I have to lead and control and take charge of things because they are so weak and supplicating. I loathe being in that position. I also feel like they always want something from me, sex or approval or whatever it is that they are lacking as men that comes across as this endless neediness. It's draining and exhausting. I hope men read this and understand and realize how important strong masculine energy is to women and how much we are craving it in the world today. Please come back to us, we miss you and we need you.
Edit: I've just read some of the comments and there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and backlash because of the language used. Maybe if you replaced the word "child" with "feminine" it might help. The references to the kardashians and such frivolous interests is rather condecending but that may just be the age and stage the women he interacts with are at in life. A woman can still be intelligent and strong, without having to be the leader in a relationship. Tests are tests, that is female nature, calling them temper tantrums is also condecending but the premise is dead on. The language could be a bit more respectful for sure but try to hear the message, not the details. Think of the nature of a true feminine woman and how you feel in her presence when she is sensual, free, dancing, laughing, sexy and fun, full of wonderment and happiness, that is childlike and beautiful. Create a space with your masculine energy so she can be that creature and you will be rewarded.
Women are children.
I agree with most of what you wrote but you seems to imply that females can simply act like men.
They can certainly pretend to think like men, to appear to be logical, rational and but are they?
No and pretending that women can think, act and work like men is the cornerstone of our Western Feminist Religion.
So true. There's a female account manager in my office who pulls in like $180k per year. I don't talk to her much because I'm younger, in IT, and our tasks never really cross paths. No one really knows what she does.
The other day I needed some business info from her so I approached her in her office. She was very friendly and offered to dig for the information then and there. I watched as she tried to navigate around her computer/the internet while explaining the matter to me. I came to the realization that she hadn't the slightest clue what she was doing or talking about. I was actually embarrassed for her. Not only did I know more about her web browser and her preferences than she did, but I knew more about her client and our relationship as well. Watching her fumble around and stare at irrelevant screens was like watching a child with a tax form or a granny with an iPhone. Zero command. Zero sense. Zero applied knowledge.
The whole thing is a joke. It needs to end.
Absolutely, watching a woman using a computer is like watching retards fuck: they don't know what they are doing and the consequences can be terrifying.
I remember in high school my teacher trying to convince us that Java was way better than C++, we all laughed knowing full well that even though she had a university degree she couldn't operate a VCR on her own.
I am not saying women are stupid, far from it, socially they are very smart, but they don't care much about "things" they only care about people, relationships, feelings.
Thinking about my high school teacher I have just realized that being taught math by a female is like receiving sexual lessons by a catholic priest: they have never done the proper thing, when you are young you go with it because you don't know better, it is only later in life that you realize that you have been molested.
It's odd, because I fully agree, but one of my brightest math professors in college was a Polish woman. She was cool as hell too. And literally genius level with stats. I suppose there are always anomalies.
The exception proves the rule.
What I've learned is that women are good at jobs that require repetitive tasks and little need for creativity or having to make judgement calls or on the fly adjustments. Accounting is a field with lots of women for a reason . Tech however ? yeah that's a different beast. Especially Navigating it strangely enough ,if it requires more than google for an answer many women have issues with it.
What if though...
What if, as an alpha, the idea of an adult partner that perpetually exists in a childlike state is absolutely revolting? What if the alpha demands the woman think as an adult? What if the alpha demands a partner that works to improve her own thought processes? What if the alpha punishes the woman when she fails to meet a standard of a true partner in this way? When she acts this way, she is severely punished until she is forced to examine this behavior introspectively. Then the behavior is identified to the alpha and the female, and it is corrected. A way forward is prescribed, and agreed upon. Always of course, with follow through. When it happens again, the moment this distinction was made is referred to.
What I have described is much the way you would teach a child that behavior is/is not acceptable. One teaches children how to treat people, you can teach an adult how to treat yourself. And if she won't comply? Leave her ass and find another. She'll agree, or the alpha will find someone who will.
What does TRP say if a spoiled child as a life partner is not appealing? Are those alphas destined to just live with plates forever? Or does TRP have ideas for this contingent?
She will perceive him as being too alpha, and it will destroy the relationship because she is being expected to think and act in a way that contradicts her nature. So yes, those alphas are destined to live with plates forever.
I agree, this childish behavior annoys the shit out of me. It's fun to act silly sometimes however all the time is unacceptable.
I find this sub fascinating.
This is a golden post. Nice.
My girlfriend doesn't even know third-wave feminism exists. It's dangerous though because then she may be susceptible to their propaganda if they ever find her. I'm trying my best to pre-emptive strike that.
Completely true. I had never experienced this before swallowing TRP because I never took charge of the relationship, but the past few years this has been happening more often. It was strange at first but now its kind of endearing. It's a form of submission, where they trust you and feel free to "act childish" because it's fun, it's freeing, and they know that they have you there to reel them back into reality when necessary.
I've never seen anyone explain this so well. You can literally see this transition within minutes depending on your behavior. Bravo, A++ content.
This is great stuff. So true. I would like to point out that there is a line in the sand for letting a woman lead. It's not that you should never let her lead or take charge of things.
As a man of purpose and passion (which you should be), you do not have time to lead and oversee everything. While you are building your empire, securing your family and self financially, and improving yourself so that you can continue to do so, you should not have time for certain other things.
Let your woman take charge of things at home. Let her take charge of traditionally feminine things, like laundry, cleaning, grocery shopping, the kids, etc. Let her plan family events like your kid's birthdays, baby showers, and such.
Let her take the lead on some things, while you focus on the "big picture".
All bitches will act manly with a beta, it is your responsibility to keep a bitch in check for both of your good. BUT crazy bitches will try to act manly too much and they'll wear you the fuck down, it is also your responsibility to see the red flags and next theses women for your own good.
This is one of the most stupid things I've read in a while.
Why on earth would I want my girl to act like a child all the time. Yes I like it when she's cutely annoying some times but that's it, I don't want her to behave like that at all times.
Dating a girl who likes fairy tales, romantic vampires and the kardashians? Where do u find this girls, in middle school?
I date girls with whom I can have real conversations at times and be playful and stupid at other times. If that makes me a Beta in your eyes well I don't care, ask my gf how much of a beta I am.
Have fun with your child girls.
Amazing post. Bravo.
Reads just like one of my worst LTR fuckups.
She got alpha-widowed by her first boyfriend and from then on vowed to never let a man treat her like a woman. She still absolutely melted in my arms during the honeymoon phase, but as I slowly discovered how much of a batshit crazy feminist she was, I lost my frame and that side of her took control of the relationship.
By the time I woke up, it was too late and the ship had already sunk. Her last words to me were "You're too controlling. I need someone that can treat me as an equal."
If she says you're controlling she probably dread gamed you and perceived that you fell for it. Somewhere between all those stupid political argument shit tests of hers she sensed you growing tired and giving in. Women only call beta men vying for control or stability "controlling". If you had frame and were willing to walk away from the relationship at any moment, she'd call your controlling behavior being a "real man" and wouldn't complain.
Feminist women love testing men with power struggles. Consciously they rationalize actually wanting equal roles in the relationship and actually wanting an equality minded man, but unconsciously they are turned off by it. So if you give in on any of these power struggles, though on the surface she will say and believe that you're great, unconsciously she will come to resent and lose respect for you. Usually the best way is to understand why she does these tests and respond by not caring, and if she pushes, walk away. If she feels like she can keep pulling this and you aren't going to kick her to the curb and find someone better, she will lose respect for you.
Ironically "controlling" label only goes to men who attempt to lead but don't really believe it. Or those who attempt to lead out of a fear of losing her. Men who control to make sure the relationship is on their terms AND who have tangible options in the form of other women (high value men) can get away with being controlling. She feels dread and won't even process discomfort. Like any negotiations, go in with the option to back up your threat, if you're just bluffing she'll destroy you and honestly it would be a good thing if you learn from it.
For fuck's sake, which is it? Am I supposed to look for a mature and responsible woman and plate the rest or am I supposed to look for a fucking airhead of a child? I don't understand why any reasonable person would accept or tolerate a partner that acts like a child.
TRP has devolved into an autistic circle-jerk in the last year. 90 percent of submissions are shit with no thought behind them and little to no critical analysis in the reception. Just because you can type up a few paragraphs does not mean you have something worthwhile to say. The narrow-mindedness of some of these fucking posters is remarkable. The irony alone of claiming women don't think and aren't ambitious is remarkable.
Hey. Take a step back, a deep breath, and just chill.
If a woman acts like a child intimately towards you, that does not mean she cannot be responsible and mature insofar as required to have a healthy, normal relationship and life.
In other words, despite being childish, a woman can still function as a normal person. What – did you interpret this post as saying that you should search for an incapable nincompoop who can't talk straight, trips with every step, will set your house on fire, crash your car, starve your children, and drop a hairdryer in your bathtub? Well you got it all wrong.
Read the post again, and think, interpret, ruminate for a split-second before jumping with such harsh criticism.
There is no such thing as a "mature and responsible" woman. This is a fantasy devised entirely by feminism, inculcated into our society by decades of propaganda. Women can be mature and responsible about as much as teenagers, which means that they can be trusted to act well under the proper supervision and only if proper authority is established. 88Will88 is entirely correct in his analysis: women are their happiest when the weight of adulthood is lifted off their shoulders by their men, when someone else is in charge. In that situation they can be well-behaved, with the occasional misbehavior no different than a child's boundary-pushing.
You don't understand this because you're still buying into the bluepilled mentality that men and women are the same. We aren't. You no more 'tolerate' it than you do with a child.
You need to get back on the sidebar and re-read the Manipulated Man. You are whiteknighting and conflating the different agendas and sexual strategies of males and females. If you want to believe the majority of women are ambitious and like to think then why don't you compile a list of female inventors and philosophers throughout history, oh that's right, there aren't any. Ambition and competitiveness are by products of testosterone and man's desire to conquer and rule. Also concern trolling is banned so keep your insults to yourself.
You deserve an immediate ban for whiteknighting and concern trolling.
That statement is indefensible.
How about, give men the job of raising babies and children throughout history and give women freedom to pursue their potential, and we would indeed have an overflow of female inventors and philosophers. Add to that the fact that things that women did invent and write were either ignored or taken credit of by men.
Study the parents of the Wright brothers and see which parent inspired them but was held back themselves by virtue of their gender.
Shouldn't you be doing the washing or taking care of kids? Don't worry your little head with this grown up stuff.
I do all that. Plus run my own business (and the investments that the business bought) that bring in $500,000+ a year. This is only the third year it's been doing that well, but it can only grow from here.
But you're right, I shouldn't worry my head about this stuff. It's just that my brain runs like a well-oiled machine and when I see things that don't compute, I tend to want to fix it.
Half a mill per annum in year 3? What is your profit or are you running at a loss
Why is this book so freaking expensive?
Bookzz dot org slash ireader slash 812346
Thanks, but I still dont understand why a paperback of this would be $170+
Because people pay that much.
What's this then?
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/nov/feat50
That is a piss weak article written to make manginas like you feel like you are fighting the good fight. I can guarantee you have never made a woman cum. Bitches like you need TRP more than anyone. Why don't you send me a list of female philosophers Barry Cunt
lol get fucked. that was the first link in a google search I grabbed to gauge your reaction.
it's called playing devils advocate, and you clearly lack the ability to properly argue.
you're an emotional fool.
And here's another google search, first link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_philosophers
It's called trolling and being a whiteknighting dick. Go out in public and ask someone (including a woman) to make two lists, one of male scientists and philosophers and one of females. Then compare the two. You will be lucky to get two female names from anyone on earth. Faggot
You must be naive. Children can be ambitious intelligent and mature too. That doesn't mean they're capable of living without guidance and structure: a father figure.
Feel better? Nuance isn't easy, or everyone would get it
Yeah, it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me either. It might if you're a 25 year old male dating 18-22 though. There's plenty of professional women out there who still like being feminine and accomplishing things. Painting people with this broad of a brush doesn't do any one any good.
Says a guy who has never witnessed the transformation that op is talking about. Your woman can still be an ambitious go getter in some ways, but when she's with you, if your relationship is properly balanced and you keep her tingles high, she will turn into a little girl in some ways. If you've never seen it first hand I feel bad for you. It's a wonderful thing.
Some people are less mature than others. Saying "women are feminine, but if you give them tingles they get really childish". Yeah ok, that's fine if you're interested in an LTR with someone who is in your own words, a child.
We have a word for that.
The point of the post is that regardless of age women yearn to be girls.
They want to be in the company of a man who sets her free from responsibility - and this is especially true of career minded women.
Here's another way to think about it: is she happiest when leading or when led in bed?
In work, have you witnessed many women in managerial positions who genuinely enjoy shouldering the burden of their responsibilities and those of their subordinates?
IME women want to let go of responsibility and relax, let the man shoulder the burden. It's one of the reasons behind the rising divorce rate within dual income households. With financial negotiations, budgeting, decision making, and working, the opportunity for fault finding, power struggles and role confusion rises. This collaborative approach calls for more compromise which can lead to more resentment.
I'll never forget. I once dated a 9. She told me she hates capitalism. She hates that she has to work 40 hours a week to be able to eat. I asked her if she didn't have to work what would she do? She said she'd "write, travel the world". Not only did I take her to be a gold digger from that point on, but I realized something. Smart women who are good looking use their hypergamy to find a rich and driven man. A man who can finance their dreams of a leisurely life. Said girl had a shit attitude and her shit tests were very sadistic. I didn't see any point in becoming a future caretaker for a snobby rich girl who will likely emotionally abuse me and our children, and whose behavior I can see lead to extramarital affairs and her taking off with half of my assets.
Average or ugly women are more used to working for a living and while they will not yearn as much for the easy life as the hot ones, they still aren't as capable as men when it comes to performance and work. Most female dominate workplaces are full of intrigue, drama and cattiness, and most women at work emotionally dump and complain because they literally can't handle a man's normal workload.
I agree that most women don't want to bear a heavy load and somewhere down the line expect the man to work harder. Especially when kids are involved.
At work, the older ones don't seem to mind doing their job. The younger ones (which I avoid) tend to shuffle their work off to people. That's not the point though.
My LTR is a doctor. Yes, she will talk endlessly on her job if I don't find another way to distract her. She's professionally minded and there's nothing wrong with that.
I wouldn't be in an LTR with someone who expects life to be a 24 hour tea party devoted to them just because they're a woman. That's unsustainable.
Thanks for this. I still cringe about behaving childishly around Man, but there is a difference between the giggling and still being a productive adult contributor to the relationship that your post clarifies.
I had to laugh when I read this. good post.
it's also great that it connects to the "why then?" conversation that I have with some people who are in that constant argument SJW mode.
"Why do you think progressive/feminist/swj people are pushing this whole body shaming? why the whole no make up movement? because ugly girls are more likely to join and stay with the cause."
man , they hate hearing that.
I have not had the chance yet to test LTR RP doctrine but I can say I might feel guilty at times being "the leader" even if she was in that happy state you described, just myself knowing such an unequal power distribution was at play I would probably feel like i'm somehow taking advantage of her or at the least like I'm an asshole.
I'm fairly new to TRP but you don't have to be an asshole to be Alpha. She can have her input as long as you are the decider and leader. Example, in a LTR its your journey through life, not hers. She's only tagging along for the ride and youre making her part of it. She wants to be a part of your accomplishments, she wants to stand behind her man while you lead her through life
I've seen this in all relationships, the good and the bad, and you described it perfectly. Towards the end of any relationship, I notice them being less playful and more competitive, questioning, and the like.
You are speaking the truth, but I can't help but feel pity that our society has engineered men and women to think these ways.
There's a grain of truth in this but people are more complex than you make them out to be. Men and women.
There are plenty of intelligent women with self respect who have that intelligence and self respect even when around a man they respect and love.
It's more-so just the way we talk in here. Obviously, there are intelligent, hard working, and very driven women. However, due to the nature of social relationships, men should not expect this behavior because 19/20 times they encounter one of these "intelligent and self-respecting" woman, it's a facade which hides what OP is talking about.
This behavior can also be attributed to fags. I've worked in countless businesses where the obviously gay men act like children - name calling, temper tantrums, squeals with delight, the works.
I'm not saying most gay men are beta, because that's not true. I've met plenty of 'straight acting' gays who are no problem. That said, most outwardly camp fags make the average woman's bundle of neurosis seem benign.
You're not wrong. I'm gay (though I only use the term because everyone understands it - I hate it), and live in a very gay area. It is rare to find a man who just likes men. If you think fags are squealy, neurotic, and annoying, I assure you, you're only getting a small sample. They often take the worst of female behaviors and dial them to 11.
I'm guessing the ones who only take it up the butt are the cringe-girly ones.
Okay wtf, this is just fucked up. Haven't read RP for a few years, has it always been like this or has it gotten seriously fucked up lately?
Thanks for that , pretty eye opening
u/88Will88 did you remove this, or did it get modded? I thought it was a great article.
update: automod apparently, rapidly fixed by our awesome mods.
Fuck. This is my life. Both parts. My husband had a life changing experience and personality went from alpha to beta. Our life is/was very different and this totally reflects what has happened, our attitudes and interactions.
Owness is put on me to make a lot of decisions in our relationship and it makes me miserable (as described in the original post) - taking charge (recently read the post commanding 101) is so damn essential to the dynamic of a successful, happy relationship.
Thank you for this post. I look forward to sharing it with the hubbs.
Sounds to me like the men here are more like children than the women they write their desperate, fictional stories about.
Also, these children analogies are just gross. Do you guys realise how disgusting you sound?
This is the response of a 12 year old who has watched too much porn.
If you're response to a misbehaving child is, slap them on the ass and laugh at them, then you have failed at being a father. Then again, how could anyone expect childless men who think women and children are objects to have any semblance of rational thought, so it's not surprising you think this way.
There is a very worrying obsession with women acting like children in here. Let me make this clear, there is nothing wrong with a dominant/submissive relationship. Most of these relationships are built on mutual trust and respect and most of the dominant/submissive interactions happen during sex. These abusive all controlling dom/sub relationships happen very rarely in real life and much more frequently online where boundaries are easier to control. Most stories on here are made up to reinforce the idea that this is how all women and men act. Men have agency and women dont, then why is it all men in here following the ideas in here like a massive cult? Hell, even the women in here are probably men pretending.
The main issue to me is that you guys want these women to act like children. You want a person that you are in a relationship with/are perusing for a relationship to act like a child. Why? Why do you wan't someone to act like a child during sex? Why would you wan't a women who doesn't think for herself and acts like a child? A women like this:
You guys literally wan't a relationship with a 12 year old girl. Can I start calling all you guys Muhammad from now on? This is either thinly veiled paedophilia or such an incredible amount of insecurity and self doubt that they only way you could feel comfortable around a women is if they are mentally(or physically) 12 years of age. When you actually extend your own logic it really is a gross, gross thing.
Aren't your conclusions completely twisted around? You state premises about the way that hypergamy is thought to work, but then you concluded that if she is behaving in an indulged way the man is alpha and successful. Last I checked not tolerating that behavior is exactly the point of all this. It's not too much to insist that a partner act like one, right? Or does that make me a "mangina"? Fwiw my partner and I gross over $600k/year. What a beta.
You are only looking at a minor part of the childish behaviour. Acting sweet and needy, being delighted by you, living in a daydream are signs of a happy woman. To sum that all up as "behaving in an indulged way" is less than half an argument.
It's not about her "career" or what she does outside the house, it's about her childish squeels of delight and willingness to let her guard down, reserved only for you.
This is even true for older women btw.
I was living in a building that was managed by a slim older Asian woman (50-60) who I always thought was a total hardass but she fancied me for some reason even though I looked super young at that time and was merely extremely distant in my behavior and she became very child like when she asked me about private stuff after some contract related talk.
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This is so true lmao...just had a dream thing the other day so this resonates.
This i believe comes from putting women #2 and you #1.
What's with OPs username? Those 88s are giving off that Hitler SS vibe
I am surrounded by titties
Gold. One of the best posts I've read in a long time on here.
/u/redpillschool. This is a post of Archwinger-level redpill-quality. I reckon it should be pinned to stay visible a few more days.
I've had a couple girlfriends that literally start talking in baby talk when they are happy
i met those kind of girls. it was not fun. they are too clingy and demading too much attention. acting like child rarely maybe good sign that she is happy but i don't think it's the sign if it is chronic. just dump dumb girl who is acting like child all the time. it's fucking life draining job to keep relationship with. don't endure torment bcuz she is "happy". don't live to make girl happy. make yourself happy. (AND I AM NOT ALPHA.)
I need to ask, when you become beta and she has the control, how do you reset that and get it back. My situation is fucked, you can read it on my second last post. But she has the complete control, HB model 9, and guys after her everyday.
The only way to go forward is to work on you. You cannot get caught up thinking about how to fix things with one particular girl, you just need to focus on you. So it is crucial you exercise, focus on work and be the best you that you can be. People admire strength and status, so work towards those things and your life will improve. Never make it about a woman, make it about you. Be the best person you can be and if you fail at something, try and try again.
What if society was childish, and adults are super rare...male or female?
This happened to me a few days ago, although this chick has a BF. She's constantly inviting me to go to the beach probably because she wants to mire and we did go on Tuesday. Her behavior was exactly like you say: talking utter nonsense, always picking on me saying I look smaller since I haven't been working out, making childish jokes and acting overall like a kid. When we were leaving I commented on her behavior: "you're quite lively today", to which she responded she was just happy because it was sunny and she loves the beach.
This post just confirmed that.
This is gold. All of this is so so true. Thank you for such a great post!
true whenever i show them my dick out the boxers they loose there shit and act like a child that got candy screaming
More context on how you meet a girl and within 30 seconds have sent her a snap vid of ur cock
Yeah, of course you don't have to be judgemental, when she lies to you, when she cheats on you, you just have to be thick skinned and put up with it...
Wrong, wrong and wrong. You next that cunt like she is stabbing you. Childish behaviour is one thing, cunt behaviour is another. Punish that shit like Negan and next her ass