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[–]Volcanic-Penguin218 points219 points220 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I stuck around for my child, just not for her. She would prefer if I was gone entirely.
[–]Thermotastic126 points127 points128 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I feel you. She told me many times she wished she could erase me entirely from my kids lives.
So I'm in the middle of taking her to court. Even if I get joint custody I still win. Because i won't have to look at her face everyday and i can just walk away from her when she starts being a cunt.
[–][deleted] 48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I like the way it’s ‘when’ and not ‘if’ she starts being a cunt. It’s such a given as most women simply can’t be civil.
[–]Thermotastic17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's probably 80% of the time. So she can never make up for the time shes not being a total twat. It's worse during those special days.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its not fun having your wages garnished, but you aren't alone....in the slightest.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's right man you got this! Fight like you have never fought before. You got this you might have days where you don't believe in yourself. I want you to know I believe in you even if/when you don't!
[–]Thermotastic0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man. I hope that it works out. But it's better than trying to come to an agreement with her. Because I know for a fact she wont stuck to it. I will not walk on eggshells until the kids are adults.
[–]Volcanic-Penguin1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure it'll go well. Read up and practice the Gray Rock Method and don't let her push your buttons. Personally I really like a youtube channel called DSD (Dad Surviving Divorce), just thought I'd mention that in case it might help.
[–]Thermotastic1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Luckily we aren't married, so there is no divorce. So I get to keep what little I have. The house, my car, etc. Most of the shit in the house is hers. But I can replace that. Her names not on the house. She has the nerve to ask and always demand that I rent it too her.
Why so she can decide not to pay the rent, so I have to pay my rent and the mortgage. I would look so bad trying to evict the mother of my kids.
[–]Volcanic-Penguin1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good to hear, I never married either. I still like the youtube channel I mentioned, it's mostly about dealing with having shared custody with a Narcissistic ex.
[–]theone2158248 points49 points50 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It’s sad bc there’s many like us. Good fathers. Great fathers. Unfortunately we had a child and things didn’t work out w/ the mom. Instead of allowing the father a chance at being a good dad and being there for the kid they try and lock him out and at the same time try to grab support. I’m lucky enough that I can say my daughters mom is a good mother who doesn’t ask for much outside of what I feel is my responsibility and I won’t pass that off to any other man—period. But I have friends who literally go through hell just to see there kid all while there checks are garnished before they even see it.
[–]Sir_manalot16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not to mention all the good men forced to pay for this bull. Men whom would be good fathers but are unattractive to women because of those same traits (ex; too boring, too nice, etc).
[–]kaolin2241 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How much support are you paying, if you don't mind my asking?
And what does the money cover that's your responsibility?
[–]sketchibubz2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nothing Because I'd rather they lived in poverty with her and middle class with me....
[–]MattFoley791 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have friends who literally go through hell just to see there kid all while there checks are garnished before they even see it.
This was me for a lot of years. The good news is that it does end eventually -- kids grow up. Once they have their own social lives and start driving, then neither parent gets to see them as often.
[–]Volcanic-Penguin0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, responsibility without authority.
[–]LotBuilder5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She wants you gone but she wants the child support to show up on the 1st and a little extra throughout the month if the kids needs something. Mine also likes that I’m in the picture so she can party every other weekend.
I don't know this for a fact, but she's told me that the government just subtracts my child support from whatever welfare she gets as an unemployed single mother.
Good for you man fight for your rights as a father I am. It won't be easy but at the end of the day you will be able to look your children in the face pull out all the boxes of paper work and show them you never gave up and that they were all that ever mattered out of the whole shitty situation
I'm glad to say that I get to spend every second weekend with my child and we have a strong relationship, so at least I don't have to pull out any boxes of paperwork to prove that I care.
[–]ShogunRonin182 points83 points84 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
Uk is currently under a epidemic of single mothers... everywhere you go is trash pushing prams..looking after the criminals of the future.
[–]ebam12314 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Is this how the UK looks from an international perspective ?
[–]Jack-Hole24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Depends. Most people turn a blind eye to it, but to me, it's obviously cuckistan.
[–]ebam12312 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I mean it’s quite evident in my opinion
[–]sketchibubz3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
"Quite evident."
What an understatement...?!
Prevalent or institutional would cover it much more precisely...
[–]ebam1231 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But it seems like there must be root causes, that have caused the breakdown of Marriage ?
[–]sketchibubz3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah,
I'd imagine there is....
The question that arises most readily is
do I care enough to search around for a cure so I can jump on in?
NO.
[–]ebam1230 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hmmm search around for a cure, is jump on it an innuendo?
[–]ShogunRonin1-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There were pillars in place in our culture which enabled us to have low crime in the past : a good family unit with good upbringing and christianity. Once you come away from that you start running into problems. Trash is having sex with trash = baby criminal trash. The potential good mothers are being brainwashed to become career women, while the low lives of the UK fuck in alleyways and have 10 kids on benefits. Now the good men are checking out - it doesn't look good for the UK.
[–]mgtow_bob-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
So I'm putting off the UK trip. Or Scotland perhaps? Love me some "Still Game". Once again I probably wrongfully romanticize the place. I suppose I need to go just so I can be disappointed at the very least.
[+][deleted] 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Bombinic0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Damn bro...
That about covers it!
Nope. You left our that the Unicorn is the National Animal.
[–]PleaseCallMeTomato0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Damn, I guess my first european trip destination is going to be Scotland! I mean half of what you had described sounds really awful, but i was born in a much shittier place, so it must be good there! Now all thats left, is too get that sweet cash to actually afford the trip
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[–]PleaseCallMeTomato0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well i mean, i could understand people there i guess (my mother tongue is Russian) but i just don't know where to start the adventure in Poland
[–]mgtow_bob0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha, shit. You really sell it. A Canada fishing trip it is!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Would you recommend Indians move there for am easy lay?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Saggy bobs and flappy vegana.
[–]GenericBadGuyNumber31 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hello bitch lasagna
[–]breathen1230 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you don't mind the weather, the fact that you have to use the loo everyday, and if you don't miss the stink of Indian streets, it'll be just like home anyway
[–]_____ape_____0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Was sitting at Costco drinking a fruit smoothie here in the US and saw single mother after single mother walk out
[–]discord5370 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Excuse me, what the fuck? They are people, the deserve respect. Get off your bullshit
[–]ShogunRonin10 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Looking at your post history - at least i don't tell people to kill themselves. You need to practice what you preach.
[–]discord5370 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You realize I’m what they call “edgy” right?
[–]ShogunRonin10 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're not edgy, just mentally deluded.
[–]discord5370 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can be both.
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 79 points80 points81 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Single moms are the cancer of western civilization.
[–]Iqbal40862715[🍰] 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who were horrible bitches to their child’s father and alienated him. Yet they act like they were heroic
[–]kaolin22416 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
He was a cheater.
He was a liar.
He was abusive.
He was a loser.
Sure, this could be true, but it's impossible to assume all of them are like this. More often than not, you get the whole story and realize the woman was equally, or a much, much bigger asshole than the guy.
She was a cheater.
She was a liar.
She was abusive.
She was a loser.
She expected me to raise kids that aren't even mine.
She felt entitled to a future that was completely unrealistic to her earning power and mine.
She wanted all the things and was fine using me to get it.
[–]f1pervert4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ahh reminds me so much of Don Draper's whore wife.
[–]cant-stand_ya0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You mean that Canadian French cunt?
[–]f1pervert0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wasn't her Swedish-American? From what I remember from the show though
[–]lamanz20 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're talking about his first wife (Betty), she's Norwegian-American; his second wife (Megan) was French-Canadian.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism is cancer and they are now harvesting the crops of the seeds they have sown!
[–]Hassanidoesreddit0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No u
[–]banqu0s_gh0st0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you calling women who's huspand went to prison or died as cancer?
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[–]jrpark054 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, sincerely fuck you for taking it so personally....as if the OP was referring to YOUR MOTHER.
Don't discuss OP's point whatsoever, and the irresponsible choices that single mothers typically make, and go right to YOUR case.
So yeah, fuck you for having mush for brains.
[–]GregHonda1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your case sounds like an exception to a general rule. I hear the same story time and Time again when I meet women. Then I think about the men I grew up with and worked with and, yes there were some damaged POS, but these were the exception, not the rule. Most men are average, not Chad's or psycho bullies, but average. By talking to women I'm led to believe that all men are scum to make women seem like blameless victims. I therefore take these story's as self serving lies and projections. Your case however, is one of the exceptions. It must have taken a lot of mental strength to live through that and not have it destroy you.
[–]StreepSheep-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guys is an idiot don’t pay him too much mind. To think single moms are “the cancer” of western society is the absolute dumbest thing I’ve heard in my life. There are countless problems that are worse than this
[–]RealBiggly76 points77 points78 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Nope, most of the time the man wants to and tries but gets pushed away.
[–]pangolin00143 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Totally. Too bad he didn't put that in there. But 'her story' is going to go along with the above story. Remember, she is the victim, he left her, or failing that, she had to leave for her and the childs safety because ya know, apparently he fooled her for years and then all of a sudden turned into a werewolf.
[–]yurimodin0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah no shit because not worshipping the ground she bleeds on is the equivalent of rape,touture,and murder.
[–]pangolin0010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Werewolf label here. I think that will be the new common, even more pathetic excuse.
[–]Sir_manalot12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet he is still labeled a deadbeat abuser or some lie.
[–]Masteroflimes6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100% My ex decided to end things. Found out she loved someone else for 18 months. She destroyed the family I was always there. Now she sees the children much less and works even worse shift patterns.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's so true good sir
[–]lulz3r36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The kid? What about the taxpayer subsidizing everything for the little bastard? Society will have to deal with a maladjusted individual with a propensity for crime. The consequences of her bad decisions don’t end with her “struggles”, aka consequences. Everything else is spot-on.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t want to be a spelling nazi but you misspelled “taxpayer”. Should be “Men”.
[–]Belly__flop0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This
Men need to stop knocking these cum dumpsters up. Society and the tax payers are the ones that float the bill.
One thing to suffer a divorce, but I would wager most of these little bastards where born out of wedlock. It’s your penis, don’t stick the bitch unless you are sure no kid comes out. It not only fucks the kid, but the society that now has to pay to raise it and then will have to deal with the bastard later on.
[–]nextinySVK0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But those kids are not responsible for their parents. Shouldnt bitch on them, they're quite innocent in all this.
[–]Sir_manalot-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
People tend to be hypocrites when it comes to that.
Society as a collective tell good men that women are entitled to fuck who they want, they then go off and fuck losers just like good men were complaining about. Society then complains about paying for it all (not just welfare, you have to pay to keep these future criminals in jail and such).
Like c'mon, what did you think was going to happen? Should just have given incels the girl he wanted so we wouldn't all be stuck with the bill (because he would of happily payed for it and raised a productive citizen).
Even tradcucks are guilty of this bullshit. If they want "muh white babies" then someone has to pay for it. Women can't as they just are not capable and it is incredibly difficult for men to get the money to be a provider anymore due to crony capitalism (even if you give women a job to help pay for it, other men like me and you are just paying for them to "work" in the end).
[–]gprime0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
People tend to be hypocrites when it comes to that. Society as a collective tell good men that women are entitled to fuck who they want, they then go off and fuck losers just like good men were complaining about. Society then complains about paying for it all (not just welfare, you have to pay to keep these future criminals in jail and such).
I don't see that as hypocritical. Women can fuck who they want, so long as they then bare the adverse consequences stemming from their decisions.
[–]Sir_manalot0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Except it isn't like that.
Women can fuck who they want and all of us pay for it. Even if you kill all financial assistance programs, you will still pay for her kid in some way (pay to keep them jailed, increased crime, etc).
Any society that allows women to fuck whom they want is doomed to die as women prefer to breed with men whom have no value. Resulting in a slow decline.
[–]gprime0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay, but why should I care? I don't want and don't plan to have kids. When I die, that's the end of it for me. So why should I care what society looks like 100 or 200 years from now?
[–]Sir_manalot0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough. Although it won't be in a 100 years, it will begin happening in the next 10 to 50 years or so.
So unless you are old, you will be impacted personally.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My country once had a single mother who has 3 children from different fathers appear on the news and front page of the main paper because she was “independent” and “strong” for raising the children on her own.
[–]nutsackninja38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah really strong and independent depositing those welfare checks into her bank account.
[–]SS-Imperator21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
What is with single moms where the father died (because of an accident etc.)? These moms are true heros for raising their children and still being loyal to their dead husband.
[–]olasbondolas34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Then you would use the term 'widow' instead of single mom.
[–]BandFreakSnatch6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Still a single mum tho 🤷♀️
[–]zistujic18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The meaning of both words is very different.
[–]BandFreakSnatch-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its a mother raising a child on her own. Regardless of the resons behind the father no longer being part of the picture
[–]ExtraSpecial1233 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Having known a few "single moms" whose "baby daddy" died, they actually end up making out quite well because they get like $800 per month per kid out of the fathers social security. An in-law of mine broke up with "baby daddy" found a new guy and had been with him for about 5 years, "baby daddy" died now they get $1,600 per month in Social Security death benefits for the two kids. Which is far more than they would have been able to earn on their own (meaning the extra $1600 per month). In other words, don't let widows with kids fool you, they are actually likely better off NOW than when the "baby daddy" was alive.
[–]BandFreakSnatch1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Damn, never knew this, unsure if this is the same in the UK though, i guess thats life insurence?
[–]ExtraSpecial1230 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its called social security death benefit here in the U.S.
[–]BandFreakSnatch0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ahhh okay, thanks!
[–]rkelly1110 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can she get that and collect life insurance as well or is it one or the other?
[–]ExtraSpecial1230 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I believe so. Social security death benefits are supposed to go to the kid(s), not that most thots obey that rule.
[–]sniperhare0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would hope they invested in 1099's so the kids could have college paid for, or setup investment accounts so the kids could get a decade of interest accruing before they're adults.
[–]Sir_manalot8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Okay, what percentage of single-mothers are widows?
[–]sketchibubz9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'd imagine it's not as high as we'd like to believe.
Technically my step mother was a widow for 8 months when my dad died but she remarried within the year...
Not spoke to her in years, she actually seemed very confused why all my family stopped talking to her, didn't accept the invites to the new wedding...
Side note guy went on to abuse my little sister and it even made the newspaper.....
Women........ 👎
[+]Jacareadam-10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The dude abused your sister, but you blame.... women?
[–]sketchibubz18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Um the guy couldn't be in the house without her permission, my dad died only 6 months earlier, she was "distraught" but not enough to keep her vagina in her pants, not enough to see the bruises and shit building up, nor did she leave him when he was dragged out of bed at 5am at gunpoint
BUT INSTEAD WENT ONTO MARRY HIM.....
YEAH I BLAME HER, BLAME HER HARDER THAN I'VE EVER BLAMED ANYONE
[+]Jacareadam-12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So he’s an abusive piece of shit who beats women and emotinally strains them, drags a person out of bed at gunpoint, is clearly very manipulative, but no, it’s your mothers fault. You need to learn a great big deal about how people work if you blame solely your mother in this situation.
[–]sketchibubz6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you're missing the point, purposely....
The police removed HIM from the house at Gunpoint at 5am for the abuse of my then 4yr old sister....(or should I say half sister seeings your gonna purposely attempt to morph this)
My sister was removed to care and my STEP MOTHER decided to marry the prick, change the last name of my sister and wait patiently for his return,
HE THEN CHOSE TO FUCK OFF soon as his sentence ended, she was wounded, again!!!
but still not enough to keep her vagina in her pants and the merry go round continued....
Oh and in case there was any doubt.....
OF COURSE MY SISTER WAS RETURNED TO HER CARE, (or whatever that translates to in the current climate) much to the dismay of everyone in her life....
You can only play the poor me, I had no idea card until the doors go through, and that's much later than most would twig on so once again....
YEAH I BLAME HER, I BLAME HER HARDER THAN I'VE EVER BLAMED ANYONE
[+]Jacareadam-11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, they BOTH sure sound like assholes at fault
[–]gprime0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You really are think, aren't you? Nobody is excusing the abuser. But as the custodial parent, she absolutely had a responsibility to not welcome an abuser into the home, or failing that, to leave once he began being abusive rather than marrying him. Her irresponsible choices are what created the conditions which allowed for the abuse, so she too has moral culpability for what transpired.
[–]juicyjerry30010 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
this isn’t true in every case, sometimes the father dies, or turns out to be a piece of shit and the mom does whats best for the children.
[–]alexboss047 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes the father was fine for many years then one day the stars aligned and suddenly, boom, he became an asshole.
As for him dying, there are provisions like life insurance and I suppose some government assistance would be adequate.
However, I don't think the chick who had a kid with a guy should get child support after an "irreconcilable differences" divorce. Maybe you should've figured that out before having kids with the guy? If she has kids with him before being married then she knew what she was signing up for and the government shouldn't fund for poor life choices.
[+]juicyjerry300-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fathers definitely should pay for their children, it should just be kept track that that is where the money is actually going. Though i do believe that as long as abortion is legal, men should have the option of financial abortion(say I’m not gonna pay for the child while the mother is still in an early enough term to abort)
Also some people a sociopaths/psychopaths and are quite good at seeming like a good person
[–]CoinSwapTrader6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
As if women think about the kid?
[–]Sir_manalot11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Women only think about themselves (the child is just a tool to get attention and entertain her), good fathers are the only ones who really care about there kids.
[+]Jacareadam-9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wow, did you mother hate you this much?
[–]Sir_manalot11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Shame attacks do not make me wrong.
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[–]Sir_manalot11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m not shame attacking you, don’t be so fucking sensitive
The most obvious gaslighting attack I ever seen lol.
I am done, take your empty bullshit elsewhere.
[–]jrpark053 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You made it personal without the above poster making ANY REFERENCE to his mother or life, and your response is more of the "who hurt you" garbage, instead of attempting to address his point.
So yes, take your bullshit elsewhere.
[–]Jacareadam-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mate he’s clearly having problems processing things if he thinks one womans acts are ultimately applicable to every woman. Have you read what he wrote? “I BLAME HER I BLAME HER”?
[–]savourtheflavor7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
“You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible.” -Thomas Sowell
I believe he was speaking about the welfare state as a whole, but it’s clear this applies to single mothers 80% of which, statistically speaking, initiated the divorce.
Daddy government built the safety net for whenever they decide to pull the ripcord on marriage.
[–]MgtowAutumn-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anyone who thinks giving people whatever they want makes them happy has never stepped foot in the real world. See: white middle class college educated women who haven’t struggled a day in their life whining about patriarchy as they sip their Starbucks and browse Instagram on their MacBook. People always want more and particularly when they haven’t worked for it they feel entitled. This is why they say they have a “right” to abortion or high-paying jobs or the government to support their demon spawn, because they think wanting something makes it some sort of divinely mandated right
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most single moms are single by choice. They got pregnant because all they care about is babies, and had zero intention of staying with the father. They chase the father off for BS reasons. They’re not victims
[–]stupidmunk4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
What about if their husband died, or the father was abusive, or rape victims who didn’t get an abortion, or the father just decided to leave?
[–]twkidd4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How dare u use logic lol
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Being a widow is the only excuse to be a single mother.
An abusive father is the mother's fault.
[–]stupidmunk-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
how?
[–]TheLastMgtow9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I use to think like you before. Its the mothers fault because women are the ultimate selectors in the sexual marketplace. You had one job.
The reason why so many kids suffer from abuse from their fathers is because the mother was attracted to a violent thug.
There is an exception to this. If you live in the middle east, then maybe its not the mothers fault, because there its the father that chooses the mother. If im not wrong.
[+]stupidmunk-7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What about if they didn’t plan to be parents and the dad didn’t like the child. What if the child had a disability and the father didn’t like that? Also if the mother is abusive is it the father’s fault?
[–]TheLastMgtow5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
What about if they didn’t plan to be parents and the dad didn’t like the child.
What are you talking about, be more specific. Most of those cases, its the man that "didnt plan", because she skipped birthcontrol, or she spermjacked him. If still they didnt plan, and there is a child, the same applies, she chose an asshole, and because women want assholes, then we cant blame this on men as a whole, because men dont have wombs, or are we not talking about single mothers? I dont know what other mental gymnastics are we going to do to blame men for everything.
What if the child had a disability and the father didn’t like that? Also if the mother is abusive is it the father’s fault?
What kind of father is that. Wtf. So your kid has a disability and now you hate him, wtf. Are you like this? Then you shouldnt even be a father to begin with, because there will be plenty of "disabilities" in you child. A child is not a toy, you have and because it has a defect you want to give it back. Unfortunately women want men that treat them like shit, and unfortunately the ones that pay for that, are the kids.
If the mother is abusive in middle east, the father can put a stop to it very fast, so it could be is fault, in the middle east. From the perspective of the kids. "Father why didnt you stop this?" But in the west, if the mother is abusive, a father cant do anything about it.
Moral of the story. Women are attracted to thugs and psychopaths, i know from personal experience. And that would be ok, if the kids were did not suffer so much. Maybe do like China, sterilize these women.
[–]stupidmunk2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The condom could’ve broken, something could’ve been wrong with the birth control. A man could be so upset cause they didn’t plan it that he hates the kid.
I would never do that to my child, but there are dads like that look it up. If the kid has a disability, not the father’s dream child, or LGBT, the dad may abuse the kid
That’s because women barely have rights in the middle east. Also there are things the man can do, like get a divorce and take custody of the kids.
[–]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/c7b99h/the_truth_about_single_moms/esel46z?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
Here +u/Sir_manalot explains it better.
I know of many cases where the father is terrible. And it was 100% a deliberate choice by the mother to be with that man, for years on end. Can you accept the facts of biology that women are attracted to these type of men, or not? Thats nature dude, and i would not even blame women. Just dont blame men as a whole. Because we know that nice guys end up cucked, so why would nice guys even stay nice guys for life? Unless you are a masochist. Look at Tupac he was a nice guy. No man is born bad and hateful to women. Most men are born worshipping women, and overly protective towards them, it takes a few redpills for them to wake up.
Then he should never be a father to begin with. Especially in this day and age. Last time i checked there are 7 billion people in the world. Kids are not commodities or ego boosts. They are human beings. So dont sign up for a job you cant handle. Have some responsability and dont be a father if you cant be one.
I dont know how that works in the middle east. But we are very well aware, that in the west, that is a biggest joke ever. The father rarely gets the custody of the kids. In France and many other countries even Paternity tests are illegal. Nice joke.
So will you deal with the truth or will you opt for the solipsism of blaming men for everything and women are innocent and incapable?
Learn more about female nature, and biology. Women are the selectors in nature, and they 100% select the violent thug who doesnt play nice. Its nature. You dont like nature?
[–]stupidmunk-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are lots of cases where people have kids by accident. Look it up. It’s not some big conspiracy by women to have a kid.
Do you talk to girls? You can ask a girl if they want an abusive man and they would most likely say no. If you want to bring biology into this, wouldn’t it make sense that the mother wants the child to live longer to have a better chance of living, so why would she choose an abuser than a caring person. You probably aren’t as nice as you think you are.
I 100% agree but that does happen and don’t blame women for that.
You could win in court if the women is the abuser in the relationship. The judge wouldn’t give the kids to her if you or the kids speak up and tell the judge.
I’m not blaming men for all the worlds problems i’m saying why you shouldn’t blame women for all your problems. Also you didn’t answer my questions. Is it the father’s fault if the mother is abusive?
[–]TheLastMgtow3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you retarded? Do you even have a brain? Look man throw yourself from a tall building you are a waste of space. Check the comment made by the other dude where he explains nowadays there are no such a thing as "accidents". But for the sake of the argument, yes there are "accidents", and they are extremelly rare in the first world. Hence why our birthrates are very low, because men avoid getting trapped.
Do you talk to girls? You can ask a girl if they want an abusive man and they would most likely say no.
Yes they say no, and they genuinely believe, at least some of them, they want nice guys. Others directly admit they dont want nice guys, they want a guy that is a challenge, they admit this, the honest brave ones.
All my ex-girlfriends reacted positively to dominance and extreme dark triad behavior from my part. I cant erase that from my memory. And nothing you can say will prove that wrong. Everytime i treated a woman like shit she was 10 times more into me.
If you want to bring biology into this, wouldn’t it make sense that the mother wants the child to live longer to have a better chance of living,
See. You are an idiot. The female of all species want the best genes. The best genes dont correspond to a nice, passive and domesticated man. But what corresponds in the natural world to the hunter and survivor. They want those genes, they might not enjoy being treated like shit in the long run, but they want those genes. Do you hate nature? Do you hate women? Because it seems you do.
so why would she choose an abuser than a caring person.
She does not choose an abuser. She chooses a beta man, who is nice and respectful and submissive to stay with. But she wants to be impregnated by the opposite of that. Meaning, females pursue beta good men as a coping mechanism, because their nature is to select men that are dominant and strong and dont give a shit about them. The alpha man has abundance mentality, and they evolve to recognize that from a mile away.
Is it clear for you now? You need to be more humble and open your mind if you want to learn anything.
You probably aren’t as nice as you think you are.
Im not nice, and im fine with that. I became better since im a mgtow. At least to other men i now understand where we all stand. But as for women, they only loved me in the past because i was a dark triad psychopath, which is not a good encouragement to stop being one.
So, there is no point in being nice to women, even if i felt like being nice. I dont go out of my way to not being nice, but i just dont care. It seems thats what they find attractive.
I never intended since im a kid to marry a woman and get a family. All i wanted is the same as all other men in this life, that is to have as much sex as possible and stay free. It is women illusion and projection that assumes men want a good woman that has something more than the other, its irrelevant, and im sorry to burst your bubble. Since nowadays we can have easy sex without relationships, now women are getting desperate and doubling down on feminisms. So its all good, i guess you will have to marry the boring cucks or the cats, while we real men pump and dump you and never settle for you.
If you have to blame anyone, its definitely not the man. At least in the first world. The reason why humanity is in this situation, is because of hypergamy. Its the same in all species. Women will have babies in any shithole, even in prisons, concentration camps, warzones. Its their survival mechanism, reproduction. While men are rational, and want to have conditions to their offspring and leave a proper legacy, otherwise they see no sense in having kids.
If women are left unchecked they will completely ruin the world and society. There is no doubts about that. There is plenty of historical evidence. And biology confirms this too. Check any species that overeproduces and watch how they quickly degenerate into chaos. Thats the female imperative.
Maybe yes. For now, its a lot against the odds. She really needs to be psycho for that to happens, because by default the man gets screwed, not only in the court, but also at work, and in the social arena, everyone just sides with the woman. Maybe it will change in the future, as more and more of the truth comes out.
But what you should ask yourself is why would a man even put himself in that position, if he can live epic for the rest of his life alone and living free.
You women, never understand men are from Mars, men are hunters, we dont need you to be happy. You cant compute this, you will always hamster. Cant compute. Its too much time being the center of the attention, that you cant understand men are happy far away from you.
Look at kids. Do boys want to play around girls? No. They genuinely dont want. Things only change during puberty. Relationships are a coping mechanism. If men could, and they did in the past, they would only have sex with females and dump them right after. Only the delusional western women live in a bubble and take for granted the cucks and the luxury built to guarantee them safety. You know im right, and maybe even in this life you will see that what i say is real.
Is it the father’s fault if the mother is abusive?
It depends. In the middle east it is definitely the fathers fault. Its only up to the man to stop it there. It was him who chose that woman, and he has 100% power over the house. In the west its different, it was the female that chose him, and he often is not even the real father, and even if he is, he doesnt have the power over the house. So in the west since it is the female the chooses the partner, and not the other way around, its up to the female. That father would not be there if she simply chose differently, or if she leaves him before it even starts, but thats not what happens because misery loves company.
I dont understand why you dont understand this, you must be retarded.
[+]Derpsauce1337-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lol what the fuck
Mate look at what you said and honestly ask yourself if you think that's a healthy outlook on life
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Or what?
[–]Derpsauce1337-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Or you'll live a sad life alone with nobody who agrees with your whacked out ideas except for the other people on this subreddit
[–]gprime3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your shaming efforts aren't going to be fruitful. People here don't care what you find sad, nor are they afraid of living alone, which is in fact the essential feature of the MGTOW lifestyle. It seems odd that somebody who finds it so irrational and objectionable would be concerned by this sub, since his decision not to hand over his life to a woman and child doesn't harm you.
[–]Derpsauce1337-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ohhh shit we got a little Shapiro here, well fucko it is pretty harmful to go around saying if someone is abused it's their fault - and yeah, this is full of men going their own way, but news flash - it's because no respectable person would be in any relationship with you man children. Instead of thinking "hm no good people want to be around me, maybe I'm the problem" you think "oh wow it must literally be everyone else, I'm sure there's absolutely nothing wrong with me"
The way you view women is the way everyone else in the world views you
[–]gprime1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ohhh shit we got a little Shapiro here,
That comparison doesn't even make sense. He's a married Orthodox Jew who champions the institutions of marriage and fatherhood. His views on the issues we discuss are literally opposite my own and those of most of the community. Though really, I love that being compared to a wildly successful, highly educated, and extremely intelligent small business owner with a hit podcast and a high net worth is supposed to be an insult.
well fucko it is pretty harmful to go around saying if someone is abused it's their fault
This isn't some MGTOW hot take. Dr. Drew was saying the same shit thirty years ago on Loveline; the relationships people choose to form and remain in reflect on them. Abusers are responsible for carrying out abuse, but people who consistently find themselves with abusers, or who stay with abusers, who who have kids with abusers are not exempt from being judged.
and yeah, this is full of men going their own way, but news flash - it's because no respectable person would be in any relationship with you man children.
Is this statement supposed to bother me? I don't think your supposition is true, but even if it were, am I meant to be upset on missing out on something I don't want? It is odd that you think people need romantic relationships to be happy, and cannot perform simple a simple cost-benefit analysis and eschew something whose negatives far outweigh their positives.
Instead of thinking "hm no good people want to be around me, maybe I'm the problem" you think "oh wow it must literally be everyone else, I'm sure there's absolutely nothing wrong with me"
This is simply evidence that you're out of your depths. I don't think either of those thoughts, because I'm not concerned with who wants to be around me. It could be the case that 95% of women were great, I still would have zero interest in marrying one, because it means playing the legal equivalent to Russian Roulette with shittier odds. Most people don't take unlimited risk for potentially modest rewards as a proper trade off.
Set aside the fact that you can't paint our tens of thousands of members with a single brush. I ask here as before, am I supposed to care? I don't need validation from women, or from white knights like you. I have a lifestyle that makes me happy, and that's all that really matters.
What about if their husband died,
Even if technically widows are single mothers, people tend not to use the term as inclusive of them, because they presumably didn't make an irresponsible life choice. It's one thing to blame them if they marry a gang banger who gets taken down in a driveby, but nobody faults the woman whose husband was t-boned by a drunk driver.
or the father was abusive,
Well, she chose to reproduce with him, so there's blame to be had by both parties.
or rape victims who didn’t get an abortion,
Still ultimately her choice to carry the pregnancy to term and not put the kid up for adoption. You might argue this is a more morally sound position, but that doesn't necessarily make it a wise one, or mean that we ought to support her.
or the father just decided to leave?
It's like you never read the OP. That's literally the point...they chose to reproduce with somebody who didn't stick around, which means they fucked up.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Came here to say I tried to stick around. Even have to sacrifice some of my dignity to get to be with him. I will do everything in my power to be in my kid's life
This post seems to blame the man, mostly its the women who sends HIM packing.
[–]Ohboohoolittlegirl4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I find the assumption that the man didn't want to stick around a bit too much. There are tons of simps who try to be around the woman who birthed their child. One should consider why the man didn't stick around instead of automatically assuming the man is a douche if the woman is a single mom.
Especially MGTOW should know better.
[–]Sir_manalot5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This thread is getting raised by blue pillers for some reason.
[–]bkolson3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would guess that most of the time these cunts run the Father off.
[–]kaolin2244 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've had an ex flat out tell me she wouldn't mind being a stay at home mom and giving up her six figure career if she was bank rolled.
Single moms are the same way, except they don't have the ability to get into a six figure career, nor will they ever, because they fucked up and burned their potential too early.
You can't have your cake and eat it, too. That's just not how life works... but you can cheat the game if you know how alimony and child support works.
For a time. CS only lasts so long. Then it'll be a leach on welware.
[–]Kronosfkg4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Child of single mother here : this is true
[–]MiniCager4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
What if the dad died?
[–]FoxCatDogLionApe5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
then she would be a widow and if she wasn't married and had a child with a man, poor vetting on her behalf.
[–]MiniCager1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Why would it be poor vetting? Many people have kids and don't get married...
[–]FoxCatDogLionApe9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
A woman has kids with a man once he's willing to commit (marriage). Most Single mothers have kids before marriage and raise bastards. If a woman can't get a man to commit and has kids with a man who will walk away. it just ends being a burden on taxpayers.
[–]MiniCager-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why does the commitment have to be marriage? Isn't loving your partner and be willing to stay with them forever the ultimate commitment?
[–]FoxCatDogLionApe6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I see your angle, a success mating strategy for a woman as designed by our ancestors would be marriage before kids. Relationships take two people. Yes they can love each other "forever" but one day a partner may wake up "feeling" otherwise. The woman is left with nothing but kids. Being a mother, she most likely doesn't work, can't raise the children as functioning members of society. Marriage from a woman's point of view allows her to be in somewhat advantage to at least take her of her kids financially. this isn't me advocating marriage, it's just easier for a family under marriage for kids to grow up functioning.
[–]PM_the_unspeakable1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You literally just explained the purpose of marriage.
[–]MiniCager4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My point is that you don't have to be married to stay with someone for the rest of your life
[–]masenkos0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. If two people want to be together, they'll be together. No reason to bring ink and paper into this.
[–]BushcraftHatchet3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"A" poor choice?! And the one choice is to pick the wrong man because HE left her?
How about the fact that in 70% of divorces it is initiated by the woman? Sounds like she is choosing him, choosing to get pregnant and THEN choosing to leave him.
[–]EconomistMagazine4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I disagree with the post because that's not the only side to the story but don't disagree that single mom's have issues.
A woman can have sex with diaphragms, birth control, Plan B, or get an abortion or adoption after. Men can... Use condoms. The woman has no excuse and CHOOSES TO KEEP THE KID.
Sometimes the man is an awful man and the woman SHOULD leave. In such a case why did she sleep with him and keep the kid?
Sometimes women just want to have a kid, any kid, and get extra money for it. The man got swindled and the woman treated him, AND the child, like they were completely there to serve her self interest.
[–]templarinferno3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How does her making her own decision of wanting to have a kid NOT her fault? Goodness take ur responsibility and stop trying to ride another dick and expect financial support, we all know they materialistic as hell, don’t fall into this men.
[–]Gbobby1014 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think most guys step up and help with the child. It’s the Moms that drive the dads away.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not all dads are deadbeats I left my partner because she cheated, she destroyed a family unit because she was the deadbeat.
[–]Kenith-Keniff2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I paid Child support payments for 17 years. Once my son turned 18 and the payment stopped that became his rent ( $200 pw ) He now has a mortgage and his own place at 22 years old. My son knows it was all about the dollars.
I hope he's going his ow way it'd be a shame if all that hard work went to some useless scumbag in a divorce well done brother.
[–]TheObelisk1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From what i tend to see, it isn't the man not wanting to stick around, but the woman who wants to leave the man and take his child with her.
[–]hakoonamatata91 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Theres literally 3 things you need to do in life to live a middle to upper middle class life. 1. Finish college. And I dont mean fancy shit. I mean learn a skill, trade or get into a field which is in high demand. 2. Dont buy shit you cannot afford and save 10-20% of your earnings. 3. DO NOT have a kid out of wedlock.
And yet most people fucking fail at it. I blame the culture and the fucking trashheap celebrities for spreading the plague of hedonistic lifestyle.
[–]FritzLn3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just further proof that women are implicitly accepted as perfect and men are to be blamed for everything.
These women opened their legs and allowed scumbags to ejaculate in them because they're stupid or they were so physically attracted to them or both.
Nothing more nothing less.
The celebration of women for merely existing, the dismissal and/or forgiveness for every bad decision they make all the while expecting men to be perfect and pay for everything either directly or indirectly will cripple this country.
No one will see it coming because men don't matter.
Keep slaving for society and women boys!
Oh, don't forget you're not entitled to anything!!
You weren't born with a vagina.
[–]drmangrum3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would add that she could have chosen to leave the father, not because he mistreated her, but because she was "not happy."
In most cases, single motherhood is a choice they make because there are no negatives to their choice. The father will still have to fork over most of his cash and there are numerous government programs to fill the gaps; especially if she's black or Hispanic
[–]bushwicksick3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Single mothers are among the worst of the human race.
[–]EffinWhiteMale2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol @ all the simps in this thread... Welcome to mgtow, get comfy you'll be back here when you see the true nature of women/single mummys (no we're not talking about widows 😂), it's only a matter of time. Not even worried, see you then!
[–]incelposter3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women have their pick of men from late teens to mid 20s. The stereotypical single mom (ie no widows) have no one to blame but themselves.
Ladies, you're the gatekeepers to sex and marriage. If you intentionally ignore red flags because the guy is hot, that's on you.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men have a choice to have a kid, oh wait, they don't.
[–]Makonar2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, I think a lot of single moms are single by choice. They either chose the man they knew wouldn't stick around or they did, but it's the mom who didn't stick around... only the mom took the kid and the child support with her as she went.
[–]JustADifferentTheory3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know a chick like that. She got knocked up at 20 and then left the guy when he "became boring." He only wanted to ever stay home and play with the kid instead of going out to clubs like they did before.
[–]Makonar1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And most likely she then complained about how it's hard to be a single mom....
[–]BandFreakSnatch-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Yeah cos people are honest and truthful all the time. The father may have died, or the father may have promised her the world and screwed off. How would any of that be the woman's fault?
[–]Sir_manalot4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
The father may have died or the father may have promised her the world and screwed off
Exceptions prove the general rule. Also, widows are in a different category.
[–]BandFreakSnatch-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
How does that prove the genetal theory?
[–]Sir_manalot10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Because by focusing on the exception you are indirectly saying that the rule is right when the father didn't die or "screw off."
If a teacher taught an elementary level class basic division and someone pointed out that division doesn't work if you divide by zero, that doesn't make the teacher wrong. It just means that there is a small disclaimer that needs to be considered m
So by pointing out these two very rare, insignificant exceptions you are admitting that op is right. You just noted a small disclaimer.
[–]BandFreakSnatch0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I understand what you are saying, but i dont believe the rule is that its always the womans fault, except them two instances.
Yes, there may be times when its the womans fault, just like there will be times when its the mans fault.
I believe its more equal, rather than placing the blame on one specific gender.
[–]Sir_manalot7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The thing is that women have all the power here and thus all the responsibility here.
Birth control, abortion, being the gatekeepers of sex, etc.
Excluding very rare exceptions, there is zero excuses for a women to end up as a single mother besides her own poor choices. Just like there is zero excuses for a man being forced to pay for a child he didn't want.
[–]BandFreakSnatch-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Men dont have to have sex if they dont want to, they can wear a male condom. Sex is a two way interaction and unless they were forced into it, its as much their fault as it is the mothers that they have a baby.
What about if they agree to have a child and the father leaves? How would that be her fault?
[–]Sir_manalot8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Exactly why we force men to take care of children they have, shame them, blame them and offer them zero support. There choice and there responsibility. It should be the same for single-mothers as it is also 100% there own fault too.
Then she should of slept with a man who wouldn't do that. Women are not helpless, they are strong and independent.
[–]BandFreakSnatch1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Because everyone keeps to their word?
[–]Sir_manalot6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't really matter if the man or woman lied or not.
If she had a kid with a liar, then she should of been more cautious, more experienced and more mature before she considered having the child.
There isn't an excuse.
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[–]Sir_manalot6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only person spewing hatred is you.
The guy in this hypothetical managed to put his seed into a woman who is incompatible with him, failing as a father spectacularly in securing a good home and strong parental background for the child.
Only happens because the woman let him impregnate him.
What do you mean women have all the power and responsibility, you do know you are able to not fuck a women even if she wants it right? You can put a fucking condom on your dick?
Exactly. The problem with your argument is that women have even more control.
She can take a plan b pill if the condom breaks, she can get an abortion, she can choose to sleep with someone who wouldn't abandon her.
[–]juicyjerry3000 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly, i agree with the empowering parts of this sub for men and some of the advice but this is just woman hating
Thank you! The empowering parts are amazing, but no need to just hate on women.
[–]Sid_Vichous2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Making too much sense.
[–]xXx_turtle69_xXx1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Surely it's the Dads fault for leaving the mother to raise the kid alone?
[–]JAVSTER101 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only that, most of these single moms are #Mommypreneurs - collecting government subsidies and/or child support.
[–]itsforhismum1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or they are so fucked up that a man leaves bis child behind to get away from her
[–]Butwhohurtyou1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I haven't seen my son for almost 3.5 years. I'm abusive, controlling and mentally unstable. Yet the "child" support arrives on time, every month. That's all they care about.
All supported by social workers, solicitors, family courts and wider society as a whole.
Quite sickening to think about the scale of it. The millions of kids missing out on guidance from a loving Dad.
The only option now is to let it all burn. I'll see my son when he is 18 and hopefully he wont be too far brainwashed.
Lurkers: don't give women your seed, not in these corrupt times. You'd be a fool.
[–]fasterfind1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If your partner isn't going to stick around and you choose to keep your pregnancy... that's your choice, not his. That's on you. And it's an incredibly poor choice because you probably don't have the money to do that on your own, you definitely don't have the time.
Agreed, single parenthood is a terrible fucking decision, and it should be frowned upon. It means you're stupid.
[–]meisannpc1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Glorifying gullibility is just moronic. People who get impregnated by someone who leaves are just gullible.
[–]FitCorner71 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True but they are many dads who the moms refuse to let the dad have a decent relationship with their child. Then cry a river when the next guy doesnt want to step up
My ex used to tell me how awesome it was going to be once she was a single mom. I predict she's going to right the 🐓 🎠 for the next 4 years and come crawling back when she realizes that she had an honest to god hard working man that loved her. Truth be told I can't wait so I can tell her to fuck right off.
Going to court next week for joint custody of my son. Once thats settled I just have to wait for her to fuck up a few times then go for full custody.
Then I will raise my son to be MGTOW and he will be the first generation of cradle to the grave MGTOW!
Some chick asked "How is it her fault if he left" but before I could finish typing my reply she deleted her comment. This is what i had to say:
She chose poorly. It's the womans choice. It is always the womans choice. If you don't know this, know it now, it's the womans choice.
So, if she choice to fuck Billy bad boy, tattoo Tim, lazy Larry, Macho Mike, Stupid Steve, Under Achiever Edward, that's HER fault.
Also, if she had a child too young, that was her choice, but yet she's going to act like one of the aforementioned guys were going to 'grow up' at fucking 18 years old, then she's also a fucking idiot.
And this also leads too the thing that happened more often than "he went out for a pack of smokes and never came back": She tried to change, mould, control, and hen peck the guy while she laid around on her fat ass going "look at the baby everybody, look at the baby everybody" and it squeezed him out because of her "I've got you now mother fucker" attitude. Then when he left (or she threw him out) she goes "See! He was a piece of shit, I told you he was a piece of shit" and we MGTOW are standing there going... "oh, this again, maybe it was YOU and your poor choices because Nathan the next door nice guy was in love with you and would have done everything for you, but that was too easy, you wanted Billy Bad Boy because he got your motor running and in your hubris you thought you'd be able to change the lion into a fucking house cat while using his child as leverage to control him so that Lion went Lion and said FUCK THIS, I'm an alpha, no one controls me! Especially not a female... and left"
[–]RixDixRox0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Awesome
[–]Strtwrktguy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This logic can be applied to fat acceptance too. "I can't take care of myself, celebrate me because my poor choices made me a victim."
[–]Vorobubumgtwanyan0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
1) Being raised like you're a girl because a woman doesn't know what being a man is like.
2) Being angry at you for not acting like a man.
3) Punishing you whenever you do something manly because of her protective instinct.
4) You believing that woman are goddesses, end-all-be-all to your life and that you should feel honored they even bothered talking to you before abruptly leaving.
5) Hating men for doing the slightest manly stuff because that's bad.
6) Refusing to swear, spit, show emotions, show needs, develop ambitions or any develop goals or purpose for yourself.
7) Believing that you're bad for having needs, desires and emotions, even though you're suppressing them.
Does this sound fun to you? Would you like to live your life this way? Do you know what it's like to be in your early 20's and have spent 3 years so far battling against this programming every single god damn day and slipping frequently back into it because of how familiar and 'right' it feels??
By all means, I'll switch places with you.
Lol what about those mums who's huspand died or cheated on them?
[–]LiveTheTruth3210 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The father suffers too, whether he's the father or not.
Glorifying a single mom is like praising an unemployed father. And people don't praise unemployed fathers, they get the kids taken away until they can find a job while still being expected to make support payments.
Feminism: All the benefits, none of the responsibilities.
[–]sstasia0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fun fact: widows are single moms too
[–]Obscure-0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t see how it’s solipsism?
[–]DojoDodo0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a kid of a very caring mom and a dad who dont wants to have contact with me after after i tried it multiple times to get in contact with him, i find this a little bit one sided..
[–]AntiAbleism0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They went for pussy tingles and not logic.
[–]RegiusGeralt0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wish people value family than other things but seems everything was meant to fall apart because of agendas.
[–]godworksout0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have always told them they made a poor sexual selection and watch while they squirm and get offended.
[–]Explicit_Tech0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My dad was a deadbeat alcoholic. Drank to his last drank. Total kids: 15.
My mother on the other hand...broken childhood with a broken adulthood.
Me: PTSD
Good man I just want my son to know one day the hell I went through to make sure I was a part of his life.
Surely leaving the child is worse than “choosing poorly”....??????
[–]liam909mam-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Alright, this pisses me the fuck off. My mother and my father didn’t work about because he rather buy booze then anything for a child? My mother receives no child support etc and my dad doesn’t want anything to do with me. My mother is carrying me and her all on her own, so there ya go that’s why they are glorified.
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Single moms are the cancer of society...
[–]liam909mam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yeah fuck you buddy, clump my mom in with "cancer of society" and we'll have a problem. Dick wad
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, but they are... The huge army of soy boys that have been raised without a father figure by this generation of single moms is killing the society like cancer...
Just that you don't like that fact doesn't make me a dick wad (whatever that is)
[–]liam909mam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The fuck do you mean “fact” you must be a moron or something, so what would you expect single moms to do, some cannot help it and do a fine job, you can stop insulting my mother now you twat.
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
act/fakt/📷Learn to pronouncenoun
[–]liam909mam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But it ain’t true, the absolute ignorance is amusing
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It is though, single moms are the cancer of society and i have explained why, just you don't wanna see it doesn't mean it isn't true
[–]liam909mam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mk ignorance man
[–]RedPilledLife[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whatever
[–]BandFreakSnatch-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some of you people are actually horrible. Jesus
[–]Disposable__Male-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If he really was "the one" she wouldn't have had to lock down the relationship with premarital sex/children. He would have seen some spark in her that made him want to simp.
Gents, always ask, would I still love her if her vagina turned into a beartrap?
[–]Sp0kySc4rySk3l3t0n-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Gee maybe they died... Do you all hate women or something?
[–]yash_blue-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
There is a difference between 'single mother', 'divorced mother' and 'widowed mother', single motherhood is a choice you make inspite of knowing that 'father'(sometimes those bitches don't even know the father) is not interested in having a child
[–]Sp0kySc4rySk3l3t0n-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao what about single fathers? Sometimes men don't even know the bitches they knock up.
[–]asiansrtasty-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My mother was single my entire life
My cunt of a father acted "nice" until they got married, then they had me.
Then that cunt left my mother, y'all incels still gonna blame my mom?
[–]QueenSlapFight-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, couldn't we blame all the men who have been divorced raped for "picking a bad women"?
And why are we assuming the "man wouldn't stick around for his child"? Most "single moms" I've met have basically used the courts and their personalities to run off the father (and still collect child support). This is just a veiled message that children with single mothers are such because of the father, when in reality the father is often times powerless to demand meaningful time (or any) with his children.
[–]Siv4Akawine-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, fucking attention whores.
If your husband died you obviously made a very poor choice.
[–]Sir_manalot9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What percentage of single-mothers are widows?
1.7%
Then 98.3% of the time, op is right.
And like I said earlier, exceptions prove the rule.
[+]Crazedkittiesmeow-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Some single moms do this but what about the ones with bad and abusive husbands?
[–]Sir_manalot7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Then she should of married a good man instead. There are tons of them out there.
Doesn't absolve the abusive husband, but in order to be with an abusive partner you have to purposefully go out of your way to find one.
[+]Crazedkittiesmeow-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Some people show their true colors once you marry them
[–]TheLastMgtow8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes downvote me. Because that will get you back your nawalt unicorn, and will change female nature. Delusional cucks.
[–]Crazedkittiesmeow-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok
[–]TheLastMgtow8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is more when it comes to women, most women look very innocent and then they are the devil.
When it comes to men, women are attracted to the dark triad. I know from personal experience because i use to be one. Trust me, women dont want a nice guy, or even a genuinely good man. They are attracted to psychopaths, even your nawalt unicorn will feel confused when she cant forget about that man that used to abuse her, but treats like shit the beta nice guy that she marries.
[–]Sir_manalot0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The fact you said "some" means that even you consider it a exception.
The reality is that women end up with abusers/rapists/deadbeats (ex: the bad boy, the scoundral, etc) because they prefer that kind of man over a good man (because he is "too nice" or "too boring").
It is how mass murders like Nikolas Cruz goes from incel to receiving thousands of love letters (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-reg-nikolas-cruz-prison-love-letters-20180327-story.html%3foutputType=amp).
Or why romance novels are filled with rapey/abusive men like in the 50 shades series.
Or why women are the primary audience of violent and rapey porn
Etc.
Edit: There are even scientific studies that go into the subject (ex: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273809664_The_Dark_Triad_personality_Attractiveness_to_women).
We, as a society, just treat women as goddesses and thus are unwilling to admit that women end up in bad spots almost solely because of there own poor choices.
[–]k995-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So anything that happens in a relationship is the women's fault? Lol talk about being childish.
[+]StubbyHarbinger-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes because no one here has ever been fooled by someone....
[–]Sir_manalot15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Women have all the power here, they cannot be fooled unless they want to be fooled at this point.
Women can remain celibate
Women pick who they sleep with and if she stays with him or not.
Women can pick from a large number of effective birth control options (which can even be stacked).
Women can use plan B if the birth control fails.
Women can then can have a abortion if that fails.
And women can give up the baby to adoption at any time too.
There is ZERO good excuses here. If she wanted her child to have a good father, she could of easily fucked a good man instead (it is easy to tell too, women just want to fuck bad boys and shit).
[+]StubbyHarbinger-9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hahahahaha
[–]TheLastMgtow10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Whats so funny cuck? The fact your cunt of a mother didnt follow on of those procedures is whats a fucking comedy to us. Your life is a joke.
[–]StubbyHarbinger-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You really got me there
[–]TheLastMgtow3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Because some of them cant get tired of being fooled around. Its female nature and biology.
A woman will stay 2 decades with a man that is abusive.
She will not even give a chance to an average good man.
Can you do math? Do i have to make a drawing for you?
It would be ok for women to be attracted to thugs and criminals, if the kids didnt suffer so much. So why not do like China and sterilize them.
[–]FoxCatDogLionApe4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like, post 90's a significant percentage of females are being "fooled" into pregnancy regardless of the contraception available. There is being fooled and there is stupid.
[+]CaptainNessy2-7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So its the womans fault the man left, ok
[+]Grekem-7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“The celebration of single motherhood is solipsism” Does he know what solipsism means?
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[–]DangZagnut17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Every feminist post about how single moms are are the greatest, and that their lives are "so hard" and need extra privileges.
As an example, please source, say, 20 things in media positive about single fathers. I doubt you'll find much. But single mothers? Stop the presses, give them all he government money and scream to the heavens how precious they are and their lives are.
Haven't seen one, but I'm sure there's twenty on google some where out of the billions of pages.
[–]oirectine0012 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not to mention the countless articles shaming men for not wanting to date them
Its a coping mechanism from society. The same with mass migration policies. The elites are desperate.
In thier heads and in the media!
On mother's Day it's happy mother's day.
Father's Day it's happy Father's Day to all the parents out there...... What the actual fuck
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