GitHub is a software hosting website which many programmers use, particularly in the free/open source communities. The company seems to have branched out into producing other products that programmers use. It's all very hip and trendy, far removed from the traditional socially awkward hacker programming in some basement.
Recently they put out a call for speakers for a technical conference about some programming framework that they've set up. After the blind review process, the speakers were selected and published. So far, so good.
Then one woman notices that all of the speakers are men. She posts about this on Twitter [1]. The conference organisers respond by cancelling the conference, stating that the speaker list "does not reflect the standards to which we hold ourselves." and that they are "postponing this event until we can deliver a more diverse slate of speakers" [2]. So those speakers who were selected based purely on their merits? Not enough vagina.
I'm a professional programmer and I can tell you that it takes a "special" kind of person to be a really good programmer. Borderline autistic is a good start. One requires the ability to focus on the task at hand which such strength for hours at a time. And, of course, it requires an extremely logical brain. You can probably guess that all of the best programmers that have ever been are men.
Of course, some exceptional women will also display these talents. But they are rare. And even when they do appear, they often cause drama in the communities they take part in. Sarah Sharp was a Linux kernel maintainer. But she couldn't handle the brutal way in which other maintainers often communicate with each other. In these communities respect is something that has to be earned and if you don't deserve it, you will be told straight in no uncertain terms. Anyway, she ended up publicly quitting.
The sad thing about all this is that it is the male developers who will suffer. Employers are incredibly eager to hire female programmers. This always creates more work for the competent ones. And now it's harder for men to speak at conferences. There are literally no barriers to becoming a programmer. You just need a computer, which virtually everyone in a developed country has access to, and discipline. Given the extremely low barriers to entry, you would think that there would be plenty of competent female programmers. Or maybe they just aren't good at it, or aren't interested enough to become good. Who knows...
[1] http://archive.is/2lKEI [2] http://archive.is/Vp9TA
If a blind, merit-based selection process favors men over women, then the selection process must be flawed.
And if fucking with the merit-based selection process until some women start getting included results in the generation inferior software that nobody buys or likes, then what people like to buy and use must be wrong.
If you like your computers to run fast and efficiently, to function correctly, and to accomplish a lot of useful tasks, you're a sexist. The evil patriarchy has convinced you that computers that work properly are "better". Well-coded software that runs efficiently and gets the job done isn't "better". It's just a different, male-centric way of doing things that lacks a woman's touch. Shame on you.
How do u approach topics like this at places like work or school? Specially if in tech?
Do i just keep my mouth shut and enjoy the decline?
Watch out for diversity initiatives from management. Should they come, look out for a convenient transition to another company. Don't become a martyr.
You mean like any medium to large organizations, like the vast majority of employers/clients?
I'm a professional programmer, and let me tell you, women, at least those decent enough to do a fizzbuzz, reverse a C string and why returning reference of a variable declared on the stack doesn't work, are very few and far between. Simply put, it's not a problem, and programmers are red pilled as fuck let me tell you, like saying things at the dinner table that would make 4chan's /pol/ blush. Like top comment said, lightly autistic and logical brains have no time for bullshit.
That's because guys in tech know that for all the bullshit the fems in HR spin, at the end of the day it's men getting the shit done.
And if shit isn't getting done, critical systems are going down.
When critical systems go down then sales, marketing, customer support and logistics goes down and the entire company crashes in a flaming ball of fire.
Thus, you can always jump ship to managing another critical system at another company the moment you feel the one you are at has forgotten that you don't play gender studies theories when it comes to IT.
If she can get the job done then fucking fantastic, but if she's just there to fill a quota and make the company feel great about how progressive they are then it's time to polish off your resume before the rest of the systems come crashing down on your head.
Sadly, this doesn't apply to software development anymore. Not even video game companies; just look at what happened with Mass Effect Andromeda.
They guy responsible for the development of Andromeda is a raging SJW, like literally calling for White genocide daily, even if he's White himself.
The worse thing about quotas is that they actually make things worse for those who are supposed to be helping. Nobody wants to waste time with the quota employee, because they lowered the standards so much to get that black trans.
You don't even need quotas nowadays.
I've seen some beta hipster team-leads hiring females programmers who couldn't code just because they were young and beautiful.
And the females know exactly how to get hired and kept by these idiots whom they wouldn't give the time of the day outside work: they pretend to care about what the beta hipster has to say, they look at him with dreamy eyes, play the helpless damsel enraptured by the hipster's constant help.
I've worked in several programming environments now, and in my personal experience the women who can really stand their own ground have made up about 10% of the programmers.
I mean, that's skewed pretty male, and I don't know if any of the ladies had affirmative action help, getting hired, but I doubt it coz they were typically better than half the guys I'm including in my rough tally here.
So I'm just saying they're not that rare.
Were they really better than half the guys, or did you have your boob goggles on? Men tend to exaggerate the job performance of women based on how attractive they are and by how badly they don't want to be seen as sexist.
1:10 sounds pretty rare to me.
my own mother deals with this bullshit as a veteran sysadmin all the time. she was very pro-feminist until the thirdwave BS started rearing its head in her company. Now I take the time to enjoye reminding her the feminism openly celebrates sluts, abortion (especially the kind you happily "SHOUT" about with 0 remorse:) and abolishment of all things patriarchal, including merit-based evaluations, church, and white people (none of my family like the idea of BLM despite voting dem... funny that.) . And She still voted for hillary.
Wow, in my country the total women in programming/coding/software/it don't reach 10% :(
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Yes. Quit being stupid.
Why do you work at a job? Are you seriously trying to change the world for the better from your cubicle at some software company's office? Fuck no. You work your job to make money. You then spend that money on goods and services that make your life easier and better, and save a good portion of that money in an investment vehicle of some kind that will support you when you retire, preferably sooner rather than later.
The same way when you go to a bar and interact with women, your job is to get laid by saying and doing what is required of you to get laid, independent of what you're feeling on the inside, when you go to work, your job is to make money by saying and doing what is required of you to get paid, independent of what you're feeling on the inside. Women are for fucking. Jobs are for money.
If you're lost and feel like you need your job to be more, like some kind of source of identity for you, that's no different than needing a woman to be your source of identity.
You need to get yourself a real life instead of making your life about your job, or about girls, or about whatever else you're using and searching out as a proxy for actually living.
It's not often I disagree with your posts but there are many jobs out there that are fulfilling. Even in software. I spend too much of my day at work to be doing a job I don't enjoy.
Good pay and job satisfaction are not mutually exclusive.
I like my job, too. But at the end of the day, if I had a few billion dollars and money was no object, would I continue to voluntarily go to work every day, or would I find better ways to spend my time?
You definitely need a job you can tolerate -- even enjoy. But your job isn't your source of identity. At least, it shouldn't be. When somebody casually asks you to tell them about yourself, the first thing you say shouldn't be your occupation or where you work. That's not who you are. You're not your khakis or your bank account.
There are plenty of billionares who "go to work" every day. A job can absolutely be your identity. If you were set for life financially would you not find a fulfilling pursuit? Plenty of wealthy people build empires, conquer challenges, and overall kick ass. And we consider what they do a "job".
Bill Gates built a computer empire. Elon Musk built an electric car and spaceship empire. Vladimir Putin is building a new Russian empire.
These people have their sights set high. They want to be doing the things that they are known for. They have convinced others to help them in their cause so that it can be achieved faster.
Do not let society's definitions to narrow your thinking. Just because something is considered a "job" does not mean that it has to be unpleasant. Or that it is just a way to put food on the table and a roof over your head.
We have to remember that what Musk, Brady, Dwyane, and Alonso do are their jobs. But they chose them. They kick ass. And they love it. Own your job, do not let it own you.
The general rule in life is that if something is fun, like a party, nobody will pay you money to do it. People would instead be standing in line paying to buy tickets.
If somebody is compensating you for doing something, then it's not fun. It may be satisfying and fulfilling in many ways, but it's still something you're doing for money.
If you hit a point where you're independently wealthy and don't need money, then what you choose to do with your time may very well be what defines you. But for 99.999 percent of normal people, the thing they would choose to do to make their mark on the world and the thing they do every day that compensates them so they can pay rent and eat food are not the same things.
Once you don't need to worry about rent and eating, you can call what you do every day some kind of mission or calling. But when what you do every day is read code in a cubicle farm in an office building and worry about whether the women in HR will get you fired if they know you read The Red Pill on Reddit, for just enough money to make rent while you look for a better job, you're not following your calling. You're keeping your head down and doing a job for money. Which is fine. That's what the 99.9999 percent who aren't Elon Musk do.
These people have my admiration and i will go as far as to say that even if there were no resources to do what they, say Bill Gates, for instance, he would be driven enough and intelligent enough to be say an oil businessman. Money aside, they equate to artists and musicians who "do what they are driven to do" and HAPPEN to get paid for it, maximizing profit with business deals. Most people the alternative to no job is to get a job, when for some, the answer is create something even if it is difficult and people doubt you. Which is fine and dandy, but as long as you're not CEO, you're paychecking and nothings wrong with that. You go after the easy certain money to enjoy your life. Either way is fine, but 99.98%, myself included are brainwashed believe the #1 dinner/date conversation going "so what do you do?"=what is your job? Salary?"
I see what you're saying which is why it should be evreyones goal to go independent as soon as possible. When you become an independent worker you base everything off of contracts, you always get paid more, and the party you are contracting with treats you with respect (usually) because you're on an equal level with them. Compare this with being an "employee" on payroll with a piece of shit boss breathing down your neck every second and you're just a number.
stop spilling all the $ecret$
Well, most traditional jobs follow this logic, but there are surely some that excede it.
Personally I'm a teacher, and I can assure it not only fulfills me financially and emotionally, but is also a key part in my personailty, as in the philosophy behind the task.
If you mean as a job rather than a "vocation" of sorts, then the debate is indeed different
So in effect you spent a fair part of the first 18-30 years of your life deciding how you want spend 40-60 hours a week of most of the rest of your life...and you picked something that you don't enjoy? That isn't related a reflection of who you are? I enjoy my career and am genuinely sorry that (it seems like) you don't enjoy yours.
They're not, but in my experience they're the exception and not the rule.
It's solid advice. Go along to get along, and keep your eyes on the end goal.
The end justifies the means, in other words.
Good pay for "slacking off" aren't mutually exclusive. And with slacking off I mean max 40hrs per week, 4+ weeks of holidays and flexible work hours.
Stop deluding yourself. If you win 100 million in the lottery tomorrow, you would quit within 1 month.
You lost me here
"Stop trying to make life about the things that you do in your life, instead, just live your life"
lmao what
If somebody asked you, in casual conversation, "So, Stay_Anon, tell me about yourself", what would you say?
Or assuming you'd blow off and have fun with that kind of question, what would the true answer be?
Who are you? Are you your job? Are you the women you date and fuck? Are you The Red Pill?
If you were to truthfully answer the prompt "tell me about yourself", what would you say? If the first thing out of your mouth is, "I'm a coder for quibisoft dot com", how sad is that?
Am I not those things and more? Each of those things are part of me, some more interesting than others to other people so I'd avoid talking about the ones they don't care to hear about, but I don't see why I wouldn't work towards making each part of my life as good-feeling as I am capable of.
The question is inherently irrelevant. I don't care "who I am." I do the things I want to do, my career path is something I would rather do than just about anything else in this world, so how exactly is this a 'proxy' for life?
It seems you think you know better how others should live their life better than they do.
Who "are you" then? The parties you go to? The expensive booze you drink? The hot girls you fuck? Quite pathetic if that were your identity.
(Aside from the fact, that this question itself is completely irrelevant)
It's not an easy question. The answer definitely shouldn't be who you're dating, where you party, or who your friends are. But it also definitely shouldn't be your job and where you work.
I think a large portion of life and this crazy journey is figuring out the answer to that. When somebody asks you to tell them about yourself, and the very first thing that comes to mind and the very first thing you say is "I'm a programmer" -- that's your identity -- that's who and what you are, I don't know if that's a good thing. And if the second thing you say is, "I work at abcsoftware.com", as though the identification of your current boss and which machine you're a cog of is also part of your very identity -- it just doesn't smell right.
Is that really who we are? The jobs we do for money? Are we really comfortable reducing men to their function in society? He's a lawyer. That guy over there is a doctor. This one's a coder. That one's an accountant.
That thing you majored in back in college forever ago and the job it led you to have today -- that's who you are?
I think who a person truly is would be the person they become if you remove all needs and restrictions from them. For example, if you unchain a woman from financial dependency and social judgment, what does she become? That's what The Red Pill teaches that women are like. That's what women really are.
We don't really explore who or what men are, but I don't think it's their jobs.
So you are saying be a good sheep, do as you are told, work, eat, sleep, retire, and die.
How lovely. I choose life.
Find a job that you actually like and do it. I am starting to see a lot of otherwise intelligent people make these statements how jobs are just to make money. No, actually don't do what you love.
Societal brainwashing is really stepping up!
I love my job, and fuck you for suggesting I do something because of pay. I had better paying options but I wanted to have a say in how the next gen of cars will be built and here I am. It takes time to create influence with your work but if you choose something you are competent at and that you also enjoy it makes life so much easier.
I spend enormous amount of time at work and I am choosing to do so. I work from home and come in on weekends because I choose to do so. This would be absolutely miserable if I did my current job while having no interest in cars or software.
Do not choose the life of misery and tedious boredom just to "make money" so you can follow the social mantra of consume, consume, consume! Consume, but do so because you want to.
And to answer the other guy's question: if you work for a company that would rather pander to women than reward competence then leave! Find a better company. It's not like there is only one gig in town.
yeah it's retarded, some people have jobs because they need the money, higher-being people have jobs because they enjoy the balance between their pay and what they have to do to get it, and they have the privilege of choosing this.
At work and school, you approach topics like a professional. That is: stay within the bounds of political correctness. If you need an outlet for your politically incorrect ideas, blog anonymously.
I watched a guy try to argue with my sociology professor about the gender pay gap studies being flawed. That poor bastard had no idea what he was doing.....dont ever challenge people with the power to make your life miserable unless they are threatening your freedom or health. If my boss is a republican, than so am I. If my boss wants to suck off bernie sanders then I like bernie as well...you should be manipulating your environment. martyrdom is something the elite came up with so you would feel good about sending your child to die in war.
Sensible policy. Fit in and be productive. Some will call this cowardice, I call it smart.
Free speech isn't free, you need to fight for it. That could mean: build up a good enough reputation, then you can say what you like, profitably. Or speak bluntly and openly and take the consequences. Depending on what you feel you need to say, it'll take some amount of sacrifice. It's cheap to go along with the herd.
Edit: I split the above into two paragraphs. They might seem in conflict but... I think there is a harmonious relationship between them. One is specific advice for harmony in the workplace. The other is general principles for deciding how and when to speak, which anyone can use according to their particular temperament, goals, and situation.
i too have made the mistake of not staying in the boundaries of politcal correctness in school.
i was bored af in a leftist progresive class which is mandatory and one of these dumb girls starts talking about how the women is objetified and forced into a role she doesn´t wan´t,etc. i couldn´t stand the BS anymore and i argued with reason and logical arguments.
Of course it was all in vain because in a matter on 1 minute i was against the whole class, even the betas joined the girls against me. I lol´ed, grabbed my cigs and went outside.
Of course now the whole class hates me and i really don´t care but i´m afraid of how it will affect my grades in this stupid subject. The other day the teacher brought the pay gap subject and i was so eagered to discuss it (even the teacher gave me the look, tempting me to open my mouth so she can have more excuses to fail me) but i thought about it twice and i literally don´t win anything, even if i´m right and everything, there is nothing for me to win (if you can´t win, then don´t play)
i´m really not the herd kind of guy but sometimes i´m learning to just shut up and be unbiased. (think like yourself, behave like others)
yep, we all have to learn it. Usually the hard way. The only reason I know these things is because I've put myself in similar situations. Now I just shut up but I know what I know and if/when I am in a position to make an impact(hiring/firing/policy/protocol....etc ) I will use my knowledge. I will only argue or give my honest stance on reddit and when voting.
Learn a trade.
These issues don't arise on a job site with you, the boys, a dog and a radio.
Dude this stuff is radioactive in the tech field
Shut your mouth unless you trust the person you speak with with your career. Sensitivity training diversity awareness and all that shit in your future should you put forth this notion that selections based on inclusion and not on merit are a joke.
STFU. I'm not from US and diversity training and stuff like that is not a thing, never heard of it. So we are not that far down the road like US, not yet. But even very slightly hinting at this issue is career suicide. Keep that to yourself and maybe, just maybe some close friends.
Why? Because most guys here come from a pretty bad eg. beta place and because of that you will just be called a woman hater by default because you never had one.
From my own experience, programmers / engineers tend to be red pilled as fuck We're RH's walking nightmares and necessary evil, at least for most of us. Enjoy the show together. As long you don't sleep with or be creepy to other girls where you work at you will do just fine, and careful with social media. I am very careful not put any identifiable information and delete and create a new Reddit account from time to time. Someone not subscribing to the tenets of social Marxism and working at a big corporation is the favorite food of SJWs.
How are you supposed to enjoy shitty software?
Terribly sorry the autopilot failed, killing you husband in the crash, Mrs. Smith, but on the upside the team that programmed it was very diverse!
"Well, in that case, it would be misogynistic for me to be upset."
The really fucked up thing is that the courts even recognize this twisted logic. It's called "disparate impact". Any process that doesn't produce enough minority or female "winners" is considered racist and/or sexist and therefore illegal.
It just needs to be a blind, 50% women panel. Ideally 100% women, actually. That would be the most diverse and progressive. Actually let's just ban men from it all together in the name of diversity and inclusion.
Dear god how did you do that. My fucking blood is boiling.
It's a real thing. If a 100% blind, 100% merit-based test results in a disparate impact among different sexes, races, religions, sexual orientations, or socioeconomic classes, it is completely impossible that this could indicate that one group of people is better than another group of people at a certain type of task. No way, no sir. Everybody is equal in every way. If your test disparately impacts different groups, then your test is obviously flawed and bigoted.
This is a real thing. Schools have gotten in trouble when most of the kid names in math word problems on the standardized tests weren't ethnic. Clearly, this is the reason minorities performed more poorly on the math section of the test. They didn't identify with the characters in the world problems. But if a kid's name meshes with my ethic background, then I can multiply better and count apples and get the math right.
If men are acting a test and women are not, then clearly the test is biased toward the male way of thinking. Because it is a 100% given that women are completely equal to men in every single way, so if women are not performing as well as men on a test, the test is clearly flawed.
"That test focused too much on logic and efficiency, which are male-centric traits. You also need sensitivity and creativity to write code, for when you're having a bad time and you're up late at night and you want to talk to your code about your feelings and ask it to compile right. These traits are completely ignored by the test, which is making women, who excel at these traits, fail. Change your test until we get a 50-50 outcome, or better yet, a 75-25 outcome in favor of women. That would be a fair test."
Dear god stop writing the things that are in my brain before I can. My ENTIRE education was female-biased, female-centric, female-administered, female-taught, female-reviewed, and female disciplined. And trying to explain this to a single female blows their brains apart because they can no longer rationalize EVERY bad thing that happened in school to "the patriarchy"
I'm not blaming anyone but I'm here to say the FEMALES I went to school with had A LOT easier of a time. And by the same logic if I am to whine and bitch, how come there aren't more MALE TEACHERS I can identify better with? How come no one cares about that? Because you can't indoctrinate males into the female imperative otherwise. Because all the REAL MALE TEACHERS ARE CALLED PROFESSORS and they work at higher institutions than K-12.
I'm ALSO an immigrant AND an ethnic minority that is so minority I don't have a box to check so I have to check Caucasian. I mean not that I'm complaining but how about SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TAKE IT YOU USELESS PEOPLE!
It's not women and I don't like how this sub treats women like they are the only fucked up ones. A majority of men would play right along with all this shit. (And as you can see, they are)
There is absolutely no reason to believe men and women are equally suited to every role. Is boot camp flawed because it favors men? no. Men really are stronger and more athletic thanks to innate biological differences. Well, the same is true for mental differences between the two genders.
holy shit! this is so accurate i wouldn't be surprised if many feminists copypasted it into their blogs
Postmodern nonsense in a nutshell.
Their is such a thing as Cyber-feminism. Computers are sexist, because binary code is only on or off, its a creation of the patriarchy to force females into a cookie cutter mold.
Seriously, its a real thing. Thankfully its tucked away, and filed under "W" wing nut, even by most feminist.
Anytime a liberal makes the "I'm for equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes" I would show them this.
Github's been cucked for ages. They took the "united meritocracy of github" rug out of their office years ago, have been chugging sjw kool-aid for a long time and use their position to encourage developers to add highly politicised "codes of conduct" which provide levers to eject and harass anyone not on the progressive stack.
If you're a programmer, your code host should be a dumb, apolitical service and github is absolutely not that. If your company pays for github they should migrate somewhere else.
I came here to bring this up, as GitHub has been pro-SJW about the same length of time that SRS has been on reddit... Hrm... I'll have to ponder more on this issue...
is there actually any reason to use github over gitlab?
I know that when people talk about "portfolios" and "resumes" they always say "their github", so iunno if maybe github would be better just for the sake of "that's what ppl are used to"
Id never heard a word about github being SJW infected until now. Mostly just used it because of ease of use for beginners, and the repo features are decent
Yeah, it used to be great, but then, like Facebook (and Reddit), they hired a feminazi into a high position and it went downhill. Then we had people complaining about open source projects discriminating against someone because they were a woman, or a trans, or whatever. Remember, you have a user name that you just make up, you have to say nothing whatever about your sex or sexual preferences, so how can they be discriminated against unless they were making a beef about it themselves? Open source software is the most egalitarian movement there is, and still they have to claim 'oppression'.
Github then forced all groups to adopt a 'code of practice' that they devised full of SJW terms, which many objected to. So, a lot of people are abandoning github because of things like this and gone to places like bitbucket instead.
Yeah before they went SJW they got pretty entrenched. You could do a personal site on your own domain, or just use some other code host.
There is a network effect in that GitHub makes it easier to contribute to GitHub projects within GitHub, so if you need to contribute to other projects you may have to maintain an account of some kind.
The made a fucking site called isTechAmeritocracy.com trying to prove it isnt...it was then I knew I was done with them.
Bitbucket - all the features of github with FREE private repos
Whats the catch? How do the lights stay on?
BitBucket is owned by Atlassian which sells Jira, the most popular issue management software in the world. Jira gives the company huge profits.
what pisses SJW off the most is that coding is literally the most fair profession out there. its one of the few careers where you can be a high school dropout and work with ivy league grads or accomplished scientists. skills matter. women dont understand this
Gaze into the abyss
https://www.hastac.org/blogs/ari-schlesinger/2013/11/26/feminism-and-programming-languages
I had trouble believing this was not a troll, but no, she is a legit real person and real PhD student at Georgia Tech.
When I think about it I'm amazed at how many top famous people that I've communicated with in forums and reddit just by being there and asking a question or putting an idea out there. Its super easy to start in the field with just a $150 used ABS plastic piece of crap notebook and work your way up from there and its definitely the easiest lucrative field to gain access to the big guys and it can be done without traveling anywhere. This is why we should mandate that 50% of all programmers are women.
Where would you suggest someone without any coding skill to start?
CS50 from Harvard. Free and very well constructed. You will walk through quite the programming language (and make-up languages like php). Really interesting stuff!
Thanks, will look more into it.
Also I really suggest dual-booting Linux and Windows or buy a second machine for this. An older Thinkpad X220 or X230 is ideal for it due to price and perfect compatibility until you feel comfortable enough to use it as your main OS. Dual booting into Linux or using an entirely Linux notebook will force you to deal with it. If you end up using Windows then you will still very likely be using Linux virtual machines to do your work unless you stay 100% in the Microsoft ecosystem (which I recommend against) and if you are using Macs then the command line knowledge will transfer over very well. You need a solid Unix background. I think that not having a solid grasp of Linux is a terrible handicap now.
It depends on your skills, computer programming is easier when it clicks on your head and you fill the gaps correctly. I learned to program with a 20 pages book two decades ago, but YMMV.
The normal way of learning to program is to pick the big three programming languages (Java, C++, Python) and learn about data structures and algorithms. Write your own thing at least once in most of the big three. And that's it.
LOL, I can't wait until a guy gets busted working remotely as a woman doing computer stuff. That will be so awesome.
He will just identify as digitally-female, genitally male and threaten to sue.
yeah, I can't wait to follow that one.
i have a feeling that eventually corporations will just make up tech jobs for women and minorities while quietly outsourcing the real work to real programmers just to get the diversity people to stfu
That's pretty much what they already do.
They call it the dating pool.
alot of non-tech corps dont hire developers directly, that is true. consultants are the norm.
They do, it's called help desk.
I predict that eventually so many dudes are going to start playing this card to basically nullify this insane asinine bullshit.
Guys, we all know that explaining things is just TRUER if it comes from a woman.
It's not that if a man says "Two plus two equals four", its not true...
...its that if a woman says it, its EVEN FOURER!
me_irl
Hey people - algorithms aren't free from Bias FYI. I can write a program that favors taller speakers over shorter speakers and still get the all male makeup even though it's not based on sex.
Source common sense from a regular guy.
http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/
Sarah Sharp's memorandum on quitting. One of the things I love about TRP is its brutal criticism. We are men; we don't suffer fools lightly. You can post whatever you want, and believe whatever you want, but we're damn sure going to test you to see if your belief holds up.
We don't praise others lightly for the same reason we don't slop paints on a canvas and call it Michaelangelo. Sure, we cut slack to lost souls and fresh pillers. We suffer cringe and encourage. But if you wanna be taken seriously, you need to take what you're doing seriously. Holding hands doesn't work. It becomes a pat-each-other-on-the-back-so-we-don't-have-to-change circular sewing circle circle jerk. We have a word for those kind of social groups. "Loser."
Even other women on the Linux kernel mailing list have had more than enough of Sarah Sharp's shit: https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/142
A pack woman a) attacks another pack woman for not being worthy, b) recognizes she has a beta Bradley and c) defends the pack Alpha.
So much TRP, so few words. If you open your eyes, you will see this sort of tribal shit all over the tech corporate world. This is why it is super important to hold frame in this environment. The biggest men are forgiven shit that would destroy trevs and their silly dongle jokes. These women eventually burn out playing the game and branch swing to a new company, seeking a fresh environment that doesn't know their reputation. The reputation of a man is what they have created. The reputation of a woman is how she acted. This applies to sex. This applies to corporate America.
I love this. And I can see that women try to take down men by how finding the worst they acted no matter the circumstances, and try to poison everyone against them through that one act. I've got a "oh, are you trying to shame me?" face jsut for that.
Man you really hit my many years of mom right on the head. Just acting crazy as hell and trying to get me to curse to be able to tell everyone how awful I am because I said a bad word. That one curse word act overrides all other actions and content no matter the ordering of it.
Reminds me of Patrice O'Neal's reply to rude women calling him.
He always points out the Beta husband that doesn't put them in line.
"dongle jokes"
fucking nerds.
I don't know anything about coding world but she did say one thing I agree with:
Whether she lives by it is another matter.
We don't slop paint on a canvas and call it Michaelangelo. We call it contemporary art.
File under: Blue Pill Example - Extreme Cucking.
This is incredibly absurd. The content and delivery of the presentations should matter, not the physical characteristics or the genders of the speakers. This is the way that things are in my field; it's doubtful that will change any time soon, which is a good thing.
Diversifying for the sake of diversity will, most likely, lead to sub-par presentations. The only people who will ultimately care about those sub-par presentations will be those that push this diversity nonsense onto the rest of the population.
Yeah, I agree entirely. Merit should rule (imo) but that's just too much to expect (not too much to demand if you have the leverage and power though).
An example from a few months ago.
"black lives matter"
"No of course not, they matter too."
"No, you don't get it you racist"
"House nigger"
Yeah that pretty much covers it. (Speaking from experience)
Then again I know better than to argue with them 95% of the time. I was surprised by this one. He'd been a friend for quite a while and I didn't realize he'd been drinking Kool aid from a flask.
Edit, no of course he's not a friend anymore. This was a while ago. Had no idea he was even racist. (And I don't use that term lightly).
I'm no BLM fan, but that's a wilfull misunderstanding of what the phrase means. When people go around holding up "save the whales" signs they aren't saying "fuck every other kind of animal," they're just pointing out that there's a specific problem regarding whales they want addressed. You don't have to agree with them, but there's plenty of ways to criticize BLM without wilfully misinterpreting their slogan.
If some group held up a "save the dolphins" sign, would the "save the whales" group autistically screech that they're racist against the whales?
Because thats exactly what happens now.
Whales and dolphins are smarter than niggers
No. A better analogy would be a "save humpback whales" sign being held by someone who gets butthurt and violent towards those who hold up "save all the whales" signs.
Oh yeah I completely understand. I just find it funny to troll the asshole ones. The ones who try to get into my face and recruit me. "Mostly because I have a lot more influence than they do. Or probably ever will, and they really want me to be a tool for their "cause".
I love how all of the SJWs on reddit scream about how the red pill is this madhouse of literal nazis and woman beaters as if its some sort of cabal intent on destroying western society. And then I come here and read posts like this, and its even upvoted by a healthy amount.
It must take a jacked hamster for all of the blue pilled morons to keep their world views from instantly shattering into a million pieces on contact with reality.
Saying "save x" is not the same of saying "x matters". If you can't understand the difference you shouldn't argue on the subject.
BLM is a trap.
To get the black community out of a rut you need to produce patriarchs upon whose shoulders a community can be built upon by using them as pegs like those to hold down a tent pole.
You could do this by producing more black male college graduates with good jobs.
Instead BLM is now a feminist movement that seeks to teach the young black community literally the art of begging and nagging for things to be given to you like a child.
It is nowhere near being about producing strong black male college grads. Far from it. This is why I believe the powers that be that promote BLM and its ilk are actually doing it as a con game to derail the black community "for yet another generation".
BLM is a trap.
A friend of yours called you house nigger? I hope he's not your friend anymore. And how much i hate that patronizing concept. It's like you aren't allowed to reason with your own mind but must adere the the hivemind and it's ruling.
The sad thing about this is that even if they weren't thinking this, they'd still be forced to play along - otherwise they'd practically beg for being the center of yet another feminist shitstorm.
File under: Too bad git isn't public because I can't short them.
After they had that retarded Code of Conduct brew up a couple years ago, I facilitated a corporate move from them to Bitbucket, a slightly less batshit insane SF company Atlassian. Sorry, snowflakes, we don't do external Codes of Conduct, even if most of that behavior wouldn't be tolerated internally. Enjoy your decline.
What is this code of conduct incident?
Up until now Ive never heard a bad word said about github in tech circles, to the extent that people joke about how it always feels like there should be some sort of Sourceforge-malware type scandal just waiting to pop up with github, but it never happens, almost like its too perfect
A couple years ago they pushed a new code of conduct with the typical social justice warrior bullshit. Google it. Like a typical neo-progressive it gave everyone something to ate so they started to eat their own. It was a dumb fucking move because they were about to become the defacto service, but now they are just another fish in a sea that is starting to get crowded.
See the discussion on reddit here: http://archive.is/iWcwZ
My favourite is this:
You couldn't make this shit up.
Am a programmer as well. Must confirm the experience that even competent women bring nothing but drama. They thought police and bitch about communication if everyone isn't being perfectly pleasant to one another
I would argue that being able to deal with a predominantly male work environment (and being able to properly handle being one of the few women in it and everything that entails) is as much of a key skill as actually being competent in the field.
No no, see that's where you're wrong. It's much easier to demand that everyone else change to suit your own personal needs....
I remember one exception when I worked in Japan. Miho-san was fairly quiet, worked hard, and was competent.
Probably because the powers that be wouldn't tolerate western female bullshit.
Women create drama because the authorities, inside or outside the company, reward her for it.
This isn't the first time GitHub has been going nuts on SJW causes.
Yep, no reason to catch and fix fuck ups. Fake smiles, frivolous compliments, and disingenuous actions are the only things that matter. The world would be so much better and peaceful if run by women.
I would much rather be hit in the face as an honest comment than constant insincere niceties with morale sucking passive-aggressiveness. Women make workplaces miserable.
I think that's partially what happened at Uber
Ubers got a ton of problems regardless
Margaret Hamilton would like to have a word with you...
That said, she was a programmer 30 years ago and Nasa picker her on merit to lead a programming team for the Apollo Mission and I don't even know if she's alive anymore.
As a programmer, I've never actually met a competent female programmer, only ones that download WordPress plugins and play with CSS.
Same here. Not a single one. I've been in the field for 20 years and I've worked with a total of 6 female devs. And they were all terrible. Especially the ones who worked for a Fortune 10 Silicon Valley company I consulted for. Not only were they bad, but they were ESL and communication was a constant problem.
Then margaret hamilton should first have a word with Github and the feminists.
But guess what, i kind of have the feeling she would be silent about all that.
WRT this: Women still don't choose STEM careers because they understand their advantage in life comes from group acceptance, not tournament performance.
Many women can and do succeed in the natural tournament culture of STEM, but given their options the effort/reward ratio and natural advantages, they prefer something that provides in-group security.
Men tend to invest and take risk to achieve higher pack status, where women tend to seek security that insulates them from accountability or group censure/expulsion. Lots of exceptions, but a useful filter.
The smartest class of women are over represented in professions like medicine, law, academia, and others because for the same 7-10 year investment it would take to be a top tier engineer, scientist, programmer, you get a certification and you are in effect, "made," in society. For them it's a no-brainer.
Second to those, you get women who work in large institutions that are hyper-political and lack objective accountability measures like P&L, works/doesn't-work, sales quotas, etc. where get-along skills trump outlier level performance by a high margin. Government, social services, teaching, nursing, etc.
(It's not either-or. If you have ever met women in real estate, they are just like the men but without humanity. Women in high dollar commission sales are like male strippers, weird extreme outliers on multiple points.)
Smart men skew toward tournament careers like sales, finance, tech, advertising and others because the work they put in comes out as higher status among peers. Natural betas who are smart end up doing work in what have historically been protected monasteries or palaces doing study (research/analysis) or administration.
There will be exceptions, and I have met a few great women in science and engineering teams, but they could be explained by the survivorship bias that weeds out women faster than men in STEM. When women look at their options, they select out of tournament careers in favor of political ones, leaving only the very best remaining ones in STEM. It's like why we only meet rich hedge fund managers because there is such a long tail of failed ones we never hear about so we mistakenly assume rich fund managers are the norm. Same is probably true for why so many female engineers seem exceptionally good.
Github and companies like it have peaked. SJW culture in tech companies is the degenerate result of a bubble. People without a real problem to solve or a mission to accomplish, but with a sea of cash, are cannibalizing their own (or tribalizing) with witch hunts and purges as a means to seize control of these giant bubble assets. If a company can afford to waste time on invented social justice problems and political purges, it is probably rudderless.
The only question any of us should really be asking is, how do we get short?
I've got another observation to contribute here: women who are great at STEM usually are all-around brilliant, while the same isn't necessarily the case for men (the inverse case goes for "stereotypically female" skills like languages). In other words: those women who could make a living by going into STEM usually have far more options at their disposal than just that - my money is on most of them ending up as doctors.
I think you guys are missing something. A great deal of those women in STEM fields are fugly and don't really take care of themselves. At least in comparison to what would have happened if they took the "usual" girly path..
I don't say that there aren't any women who are stereotypical STEM nerds at all, I say that those women who are legitimately good at it rarely are only good at that, because they're smart in general.
Women who have sort of a "savant syndrome" when it comes to STEM are relatively rare when compared to men.
The average male scientist publishes twice as many papers per capita than the average female scientist, receives more citations per paper, earns more money, is less likely to quit his job, is twice more likely to invent (patent) something new, and is twice more likely to start a new business.
In other words, even though the few best women compete with lots of men (which means that there are some average men), the average male scientist is far more productive than the average female scientist, in other words it does not make sense to have women in science, as they are far less productive on average.
Even if they're less productive, it's not self evident that "it does not make sense to have women in science". All marginal scientific progress is still valuable.
Ya I'll take another mediocre scientist in society over another great lawyer any day.
Its quite self evident because if you replace them with males you will get higher productivity and increased economic growth. Its like women in the army: could they do the job? Yes, but way worse than men. Therefore it does not make sense to use women as long as there are lots of available men.
This is completely different; participation in defense is an obligation of a citizen, at least that's what the constitution of my country states; if women have equal rights they should have equal obligations. Now, nowhere it is said they should serve in the same units as men. But the military is showered with a total of 2% of GDP in my country and it should be their job to find a way for women to participate.
Source on the publishing rates?
Check this guy, he compiled lots of sources. See Academia field
http://sexes.martinsewell.com/
That's one of his sources https://books.google.com/books?id=ykQrAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=When+it+comes+to+rates+of+publication,+more+than+50+studies+of+scientists+in+a+variety+of+scientific+disciplines,+types+of+institutions,+and+different&source=bl&ots=r8KVHaVWtE&sig=RGX7Y0vnUfon7t1Wc6Lnbr1s8HM&hl=bg&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqhdGn36vUAhWCfxoKHTGqA1oQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=When%20it%20comes%20to%20rates%20of%20publication%2C%20more%20than%2050%20studies%20of%20scientists%20in%20a%20variety%20of%20scientific%20disciplines%2C%20types%20of%20institutions%2C%20and%20different&f=false
You can also check those
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/in-science-it-matters-that-women-come-last/
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/38622/title/Gender-based-Citation-Disparities/
Exactly. Those that force themselves into some of their careers are deliberately handicapping one of their greatest skills--navigating communities. They might not care since they like what they do, but that doesn't mean they aren't at a disadvantage of their own creation.
And then if you do find a female programmer because you are really trying hard to fill a diversity role that you didn't care about filling, but just presume it would be a good idea... You have to put up with a higher than background level of crazy. That's bad for relationships, REALLY BAD for your life work.
I think I'd rather take the hit of all male crew.
That's why I like start-ups. No women anywhere in sight. They always join once the company is successful and stable.
I work in a tech start-up, all the females we had are just in the soft skills side, and still created drama. They try to hire female programmers since two years, didn't find yet. Even the female co-founder jokes about this. She knows what's up. I managed many male interns, some were cool, others borderline spergs with shitty behavior (once I almost kicked an interns ass as he dismissed my solution when he fucked up at a client's site), but in the end we were always cool.
Incorrect. You people need to stop talking in absolutes - makes you look pretty pathetic. I won't even give examples because you can google it yourself. (Hint: the world consists of more than the US too)
Are you a woman? There are always exceptions to the rule and no one around here prefaces their comment with
"I know there will always be an exception to this general rule, but that being said...."
because we all know it. It's a waste of time. If you want to pussy foot around the default subs would love to have you.
What do you mean, you people? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1iV24hL8Rk
"You people?"
Out, out, out!
Shush, Tim Hunt got fired over saying something like this.
So much for equality - you know, the one where you're judged by your performance, not gender, b/c judging by gender is sexist.
As an aspiring programmer working my way into computer security, this is completely uncalled for. This whole "muh diversity" and "moar vagina in work" fad has been poisoning the well into many innocuous subjects. "Yeah, fuck merit. I want everything handed to me because I have a pussy", said self-entitled cunt.
My question is a little off-topic, but can anyone point me in the direction of some of the best resources to learn how to program? Not as an occupation (I've already got one that keeps me plenty busy), but as a hobby. When I was a kid I did a bunch of programming in Basic, Fortran and Cobol, but my skills/knowledge are 30+ years out of date.
EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. You've given me some fantastic resources to dive into.
The field's got a lot wider and deeper since then. Do you have some idea where you want to go? Web sites? Mobile apps? Games? Desktop applications?
Your question makes me realize my initial request was way too broad. I'd be interested in desktop applications.
Given your experience with procedural languages, I'd start with something like Python (if you're on a mac, then
my condolencesyou should probably learn swift or objective-c to deal with apple's native toolkits). I hear "Learn Python the Hard Way" is recommended, but do a search and see what's good out there.Then once you know how to string your thoughts into a program, you're going to have to know how to do actual things. At this point you'll be making things that run in console windows and don't look flashy. But that's fine.
Then you're going to want to learn a GUI toolkit. For cross-platform stuff, I hear a lot of good things about Qt, but each platform is going to have their own libraries as well. This is why I suggested swift or objective-c earlier if you're on a mac: you'll have an easier time with apple's toolchain.
This is a long process. Work at it until your social skills atrophy and the sun is a distant memory.
Worth noting: the current version of Learn Python the Hard Way is using Python 2 still, the next version will be updated to use Python 3.
It's a fantastic resource, but more and more people are moving towards Python 3.
Thank you. My knowledge of the learning landscape is a bit out of date.
Reply, as a counter weight to "Learn Python the Hard Way", I recommend "automate the boring stuff with python". While the former is good to fix/avoid some mistakes, it is opinionated, and can bias you in some ways. The later, while more traditional approach, has a bunch of practical use-cases.
It might not be a popular opinion, because it's cool to hate on javascript, but I think javascript is one of the most versatile languages.
Team Treehouse has some great starter material, as well as Wes Bos's https://javascript30.com/.
From there, you can pick out classes focused on what you're interested in on other sites, such as Udemy or Frontend Masters.
I took this route professionally I can confirm its pretty easy and you get practical skills fast. Its also in high demand in the 90k+ range in most major cities, well into the 80% margin. Be a Chad, learn to program.
True, but javascript is a terrible language, and will never quite shake off its origin story (hacked up in ten days just to get something out the door).
That doesn't mean that people are idiots for using it (although there are a lot of "but I can do everything with javascript" types who are immune to reason and logic), but it does mean you should learn languages that aren't damaged first and use javascript with full awareness of its limitations.
Think the highest thoughts you can, even if you have to translate them to lower languages.
I am going to have to disagree with this. JS is a terrible language for people that dont learn JS and think it is like any other language in the way it is built. Much like redpill where you limit your attachments and seek understanding to her bizarre behaviors so is JavaScript.
Douglas Crawford talks on the language expound on this much like Rollo did. Hell he even got ran off as a speaker for "slut shaming the internet".
When you learn the difference between a fruit, and a gorrilla in a jungle holding a fruit you can write some lean, testable, maintainable shit, fast. And then your boss lets you go to the gym in the middle of the day. Goals man goals. 90% functional, 10% OOP. Learn it.
Cave of programming is a good online source
seconded. John Purcell is my programming jesus.
just checked it out, found the beginner C++ exactly what Ive been looking for cheers.
do you have any manual processes at work like a spreadsheet report that gets compiled once a day or once a week? automate it in vba, step by step...VBA isnt a good language (lots of people will hate on it) but you can use python if you'd like. I think the concepts of programming are more important than the languages (data structures, algorithms, design patterns, etc)
My favourite book for C is still the classic K&R. But maybe you'd prefer something more fun. Python has many libraries available which helps you get stiff done quickly. If you want to be a really good programmer and also have great fun then Common Lisp is the way to go. But whatever you do have a project in mind. It is only by actual practice that one becomes good.
Forced diversity is often taken too far and results in horse shit like this. If anyone in Github management had any balls he would point to the blind review process and tell her to stick it up her ass.
If you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes, imagine why this article or issue did not make it on Hacker News.
There is an organized effort to suppress counter-radical-feminist views, and it includes Valley VCs, newspaper editors, professional societies, and tech/media companies.
Censorship is the only way they can succeed, because it's not like they have a leg to stand on logically. "They are seizing the means of production" in culture.
There are no longer any neutral parties.
Absolutely. Hacker news is one of the worst feminist shitholes on the web. I frequent it because a lot of intelligent people comment there, but anything that doesn't toe the feminist line is deleted.
A user compiled a list of "last word" before Hacker News users were banned. Just have a quick look at the list and maybe search for some key words like "women": https://github.com/kelukelugames/Last-Words
In fact, right now one of the top posts there is a rant by a feminist which includes the fact that she was "literally shaking" at something right there in the post. It's so predictable at this point it's almost hilarious.
This is interesting in the broader context of what's happening with feminism's war on tech. Several years ago feminists began to declare the tech field as hostile to women. A predictable white knighting response silenced any moderate voices and there were some very public firings and scenes*.
Never mind that tech is full of beta white knights, man children, apparently the narrative stuck that it is hostile to women. I have worked in fields hostile to women, tech is not one of them. Too many woman perform poorly as and face the wrath of a harshly logical autist, they get a chip on their shoulder and go looking for revenge. I've seen it happen. A code review with good honest feedback turns into tears and and then a reprimand comes from HR for the reviewer who created a "hostile work environment".
The truth is women categorically suck at this. I've met precious few good female programmers, but recruiting is hard so companies won't hesitate to hire a decent female. Female college enrollment exceeds that of men and so companies are explicitly trying to attract women in campus outreach.
This field is the future of everything, provides high pay, incredible job security and requires no manual labor. It's perfect for the feminist social strategy.
This is going to get worse but will eventually correct itself I believe. Tech is incredibly democratizing and good programmers tend to have two things, a hatred for bullshit, and the capability to build things that scale.
What will happen eventually (I believe) is enough guys will get tired of being bullied or carrying the weight of poorly performing women and they will be forced to build systems to counter feminine influence. What could have been good for women had feminists just shut the fuck up (let's be honest when does that ever happen) will blow up in their faces.
Or maybe not.
What fields do you think are actively hostile to women?
Construction and manual labor in general
Never worked in construction specifically, but Ive done more than a few manual labour type jobs, and it always pissed me off when women got the chance to opt out of the hardest tasks just because they had a vagina. A lot of other men seemed like they felt similarly, but nobody can seriously risk saying shit like that out loud these days.
Great post. In IT... spot on.
This doesn't concern me too much. If enough large companies get behind this diversity crap, then quality might take a hit for awhile. But while the current industry leaders are hiring diversity managers and receiving tons of social cred, some startup that doesn't give a shit about such things will come on the scene and blow them out of the water. The only thing I don't know, is whether everyone will recognize that this was part of their success, or if later executives at the startup will just pretend that this had nothing to do with it, and hire a diversity manager of their own.
Isn't this cycle of getting shit done, get too big and has to hire a diversity officer, new start up gets shit done already happening?
Yes. But some people think the existing companies, like Apple, Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Microsoft will never be replaced. Granted, it'll be hard, since they have a lot of momentum behind them, but if a player in the market isn't meeting a demand, the market will find a solution, especially in this industry, where the barriers to entry are almost non existent. The most vulnerable company on the above list is Twitter. Unlike the others, which provide a vast array of services to a lot of different customers, Twitter really only does one thing, and it wouldn't be hard for someone to figure out how to do it better and Myspace/Friendster the hell out of them. I mean that relatively; if it were absolutely easy, someone would have done it already.
Github should really be careful here. Before Github, most projects were on Sourceforge and maybe the next most popular service was Google Code. After Github came about, there was a mass exodus from Sourceforge, and Google Code doesn't even exist. It's not that hard to imagine the same thing happening to them.
True gitlab and bit bucket are really just as good if not better.
How are their issues, milestones, & other project management type features when compared to github?
Even all those giants you listed at the top were all once start-ups, consisting strictly of men.
I wonder if one day, businesses execs will learn that focusing on diversity hurts the bottom line, and will stop making the same mistakes time and again.
I'd like to think so.
The larger problem is that as companies get larger, they almost always tend to become less efficient. The people closer to the bottom in management who make the seemingly small decisions regarding who to hire or what kind of chairs to buy, are further removed from the money. So they waste it on stupid shit the company doesn't really need. Hell, "The company's paying, right?"
Same thing happens with diversity. The company can afford to have some employees who don't pull their weight, so they continue operating, despite wasting money on sub-optimal employees.
Oh I have no doubt they already are.
They hire a few really high quality woman, then tout how they are pro-diversity. In reality, they're a minority. But who is going to get into the actual numbers of exactly how many women have been hired by the company? Big companies are no doubt "cooking the books" when it comes to selling their pro-diversity stances -- as well they should. The most successful companies are not hiring edgy SJW types, and any diversity programs they implement are strictly smoke and mirrors.
Also, other fun fact: women like to be the minority. It makes them feel like they're the special one, and most recognize the amount of drama other women bring to the table. Recently we went through a hiring process, and one of our female engineers mentioned she didn't want another female in the group.
Women are notoriously catty towards each other, because they inherently want to feel like they are the one being showered by male attention/adoration. Another woman entering her sphere of influence will be considered a threat to her female dominance -- she wouldn't feel special anymore.
True story. There is a direct correlation between dysfunction in software teams and the percentage of women (either in tech or non-tech roles).
I can say this because I've coached hundreds of software teams. This is the kind of work I do.
How does the dysfunction usually manifest in practice?
Signaling work is getting done becomes more important than getting work done
Manipulation and deception because of a lack of ability to take responsibility for mistakes
Random changes to how we should get the work done based upon how the group feels rather than what is effective
Unclear communications based upon non verbal cues
Can those sorts of behaviours be unlearned somewhat through training, or is it just too risky to go after the feels these days?
I had a tech conference be cancelled because the woman hired to make sure there is diversity fucked up and quit and the whole conference was cancelled. It was a local conference for me and one of the few conferences my company agreed to send me to so I was pissed it was cancelled.
Even grace hopper a woman's tech conference is not diverse racially enough.
I just want to go talk about new tech.
I should just learn some diversity buzzwords and claim I am a non-binary gender with ethnic non white ancestors and some vague disability and I'll get to speak anywhere.
Why not? Lauren Southern's legally a man.
A similar thing happened at USC last year. BIG video game industry conference was cancelled because they couldn't stack enough females into the speaker's panel to satisfy SJWs.
I mean, never mind the mission: technology, code, games. Women feel excluded so shut the whole thing down.
Ya, it is kind of ridiculous especially considering there is well established science showing that men and women think differently and have different aptitudes. No one with any understanding of the facts on the ground would expect there to be all that many women in coding industries because of the dearth of both talent and interest.
But no, it is better to ruin companies and projects than to face reality.
Had it been an all female lineup, that same femtard would have been overjoyed. The hypocrisy of the modern liberal Is fucking exhausting.
Discipline. I got into computers in middle school, but once I bought my first computer after working for 6 months at Taco Bell (had to throw that in) I went full force in 1997 to learn as much as I could. I picked up Flash, HTML and Photoshop when the web was the wild west and made lots of money freelancing while in college. I also started doing animations and editing and basically anything I could learn on the computer, including 3D animation, I did it. I am an artist, and the computer was all about enhancing my tool set, making my own website, with gallery, making my comics move, etc.
I have yet to meet a girl, hell, most dudes, who would last an overnight session trying to make something that hasn't been done before. It's not that there is no women, there are just no women where it matters, in the everyday grind in charge of projects, taking initiative to improve an existing system, etc.
Computer Science, math, programming, photoshop, etc, to be pushed, takes the same mental discipline to hang in there.
And I'm a fucking Marine, and I'll tell you programming is hard.
A little bit off topic, but I was wondering if you remember what sort of transition the web went through after the dot-com bubble burst in 99ish? Im too young to remember that directly, but I was never sure if the loss of funding money for crazy schemes translated into fewer people using the Internet at the time, or it had little effect?
Knowing Github, a large number of the speakers were probably Indian or East Asian, so it's not like they didn't have racial diversity. They just didn't have pussy on the panel.
I met a girl on tinder who gets flown all over the country (and world) to give these "women in tech" talks at conferences. She's got a CS degree, but her programming skills are so poor, that she now goes on the conference circuit encouraging girls to program instead of actually programming herself.
Lol, I know many of them. Most of them get fully funded overseas voyages to talk. No one of them is a real developer.
"It's not good enough" should become the official motto for feminism.
And the organizer is mostly men, oh the irony.
this shit is fucking cancer. when a woman requires her feefees to get pampered just to deliver some critical feedback, she's getting a severely negative review the first time, and fired the second time. just make sure communication is by email or a male from HR witnesses it.
Never mind that woman who tweeted, typical feminist and AWALT behaviour. I'm still waiting for the feminists to join the military and make it a 50-50 (we know that will never happen, always seeking benefits without the responsibility).
Its the organiser who I'm disgusted with, apparent lack of backbones and steel.
No, I do not hate women. I love them, for the little dainty, frivolous, ephemeral moments of enjoyment they bring.
But then they go ruining that with stupid shit like this. God damn, are most women dumb.
Anecdotally, one of the Universities near me had a period of about 3 years where their medical school applications were done without a face to face interview (obviously, candidates were anonymised as best they can, using student numbers rather than names etc). They had around 60/40 split male to female acceptance when they were doing face to face interviews, however for the three years they didn't have face to face interviews (likely part of the reason they returned to having face to face interviews) they had on average an 80/20 split mate to female.
Now the processes were largely identical except the interview, the candidates went through rigorous testing with only the top 15-20% of those tested nationally even being considered, all were University graduates, and the men didn't have lower scores in patient interviewing tasks. Perhaps it's possible that the women simply did interview better and that was the reason for the increase in the numbers of women when compared to the years without the interviews.
Coder here. The only female coders that have proven to me their worth have always been from Indian immigrants with a work visa and sponcer. From what I hear the selection process is made so that it doesn't favor 1 gender over another but this isn't a problem when you have so little that is actually chosen.
From what I've heard from talking to them is it's incredibly hard to get chosen to work here in America because they are expected to earn above a certain margin. Food for thought.
Anecdotal evidence. Your own experience does not a statistical trend make.
Well sorry for nut busting out the scientific equipment for a post regarding a social gathering. This forum is generally about anecdotes. As is twoX is as well and most other subreddits.
Saying this kind of sexist shit without evidence is what causes women to leave in the first place dingbad.
Long time lurker, first time poster. This really hits home for me. When living in SV, I've noticed this happen time and time again. I'm a developer who has seen subpar female interns and programmers hired over and over again. It's very troubling seeing that prospects aren't hired for their skills, but rather how they make the company look. This ends with female hires flirting with males for "help".
Can't blame them though, it probably worked for them as undergrads.
In departments like physics, CS, engineering, women are usually very rare, often 1 in 5ish, and the men cluster around them just for the chance to have contact with a member of the opposite sex every now & then. How many times do you think a female CS student was faced with a difficult assignment question of the sort that requires multiple tries to crack, & she had to come up with the solution completely independently?
Hell, Ive been in classes where he women have straight up had access to a copy of all of the answers to a hellacious assignment that they got from an upperclassman all because they had a pair of tits. And so me, and many other men stop giving a shit about marks and go the Cs get degrees route, and everyone acts as if we're lazy for doing the bare minimum to get out of a rigged game.
No kidding, I was one of those chumps as an undergrad.
On the "Cs get degrees" thing: I believe there are two cutoffs when it comes to getting a degree: either you pass and become Another Guy With A Degree, or you do well enough that people sit up and take notice. It's worth getting to that second point, IMHO: you've put the money in, so milk it for what it's worth.
At this point my GPA is pretty much set in stone in that "Another Guy With A Degree" category. I still put in the effort to get at least halfway decent grades for the sake of self-respect, but I dont see the point in prioritizing a few percentage points over my health & sanity. If I really wanted to max out my average I could have taken every bird course in sight, but I prioritized actually learning things from the courses I took, which resulted in a lot of 60s on my transcript from courses that were worth taking in place of an 80 or 90 in a course with high-school level content.
Honestly, once you get out into the real world, the people that actually matter know that marks don't count for much. Theres a chick Ive met who has one of the highest averages in my program, but to talk to her is like trying to have a conversation with an eggplant.
Agreed. There are definitely diminishing returns on effort, and it's not worth neglecting other important parts of your life to squeeze out another point or two.
i just love how all it took was ONE woman to say something and the fold quicker than Falcons did in the last Super Bowl
Women in IT:
Drama at each meeting.
Couple weeks back boss of my boss (female) made a critical remark to female web designer. Said web designer was suddenly lost after a coffee break and later found crying in the rest room...
I actually just had to deal with this at the end of a hiring process.
I run a team of system engineers and over the last year, we had an unlucky run of losing some great talent. I of course wish those former teammates the best of luck since they always worked their hardest for me, but opportunities came up for them and it was time. Just bad timing for me. In one year I lost four teammates.
So you interview and replace them. My interviews are very technically based. You will feel like it is a classroom examination and they are pretty long as well. I bring items to the table and discuss it with them like they are on the team and we are in a crisis. I care about how you solve, I care about how you communicate, and I care that you use the correct language that the rest of our team and the department use. This is in terms of the work and project management in general. it is in the Job description, it is the high standard I have built, and not to be a jerk, but the job pays a high wage and deserves to be taken seriously on a level besides "feeling cozy about it".
so I had filled three spots ... was happy with the results ... when CRAP ... I get notice that I am losing someone else. I open the job requests and start to interview. Let me say I will interview whoever HR sends me. I have already said I do not feel comfortable judging people for a job this complex based on a sheet of paper. so my boss and Hr set up my interviews and I perform the second stage, giving recommendation to my boss afterwards and we make a joint decision.
I interview 5 people. the last one is a genius. Comes recommended from a larger company. They are familiar with everything we are working with and very comfortable with our project methods. Is almost over qualified. it's not just a fit. it's an upgrade. all we have to do is bring this person up to speed and they will hit the ground running. I take my recommendation. we call HR.
HR stops right at the recommendation and asks about another candidate. The candidate is not qualified. If my interview is a test of knowledge, and it is, they would have scored in the 50s. they had no advanced testing experience and almost no project knowledge. I say so to my boss and HR.
then they just outright say "well .... it's just strange that you have hired four men in a row."
I hear the subtext and ignore it. I have two women on my team of 8 and they are thoroughly qualified. after some more jousting, I ask "I don't understand this discussion. why there a problem with my recommendation to hire qualified candidates and ignore unqualified candidates. I am beginning to feel like there are some implications being made and I am highly offended if this discussion is going in the direction that I think it is going."
So the HR person backs off and just says that it gives a bad appearance for the company. HR Says they want to send more candidates and keep the door open. I say no. HR straight out says they would like to see more women interviewed. I say that the demographics of my team, that I inherited and had never had to hire to before these four, is only changing in the fact that it is more ethnically diverse. BY THE WAY ..... the only women that I had been sent were white.
I say I am unwilling to lose a candidate like this guy and was able to get my boss on board. my last statement being that HR did not have to work with this person on a daily basis, nor did they understand the depth of the position or the practical everyday responsibilities. she eventually backed out. so it worked out.
but the length that HR lady went to was ridiculous. The sideways comments, the halfway implications. and frankly, I was starting to be pretty sure that the person she wanted us to consider was her friend since I HAD interviewed another woman for the position that was more qualified than the woman she was suggesting.
So men are smarter than women? Wow, you don't say!
I dont think thats the case here, I think that women just dont wanna work in this field and then cry wolf.
Political correctness run fucking wild right here. Unfortunately the tech sector is over run with this mentality that diversity is to be valued over talent.
This ought to explain why.
I'm in IT and I've never even seen a female programmer in an actual professional setting. I'm sure they're out there and as mediocre as they are at management though.
Spez: also one more reason to use bitbucket over github
This isn't the first time github has jumped the shark.
It's a sad day for GitHub. I use it everyday and seeing it being overrun by feminist bullshit... Guess I have to start working on alternative without political correctness.
"Borderline autistic is a good start." Can relate.
I have been in IT for over 30 years (commercial software development - networking - administration - executive level management) and I have yet to meet the woman who was worth half a shit in any area.
They are think they are simply wonderful though. If I ever heard the phrase "I'm a computer person" in a high-pitched whiney voice again....
Women's brains are just not wired for the work.
It is am innate biological fact that males and females have significantly different interests. Forcing Cultural Marxism onto people is tyranny. If the best are men let them speak. If the best are female let them speak. But to reduce the presentation by forcefully lower the bar so a woman can speak is wrong.
Programmers are borderline insane....You cannot deal with pure abstract logic for 10+hrs a day and maintain a brain that can interact with deeply flawed humans.
Not without redpill at least, then they get predictable as fuck.
Reminds me of the "racist" insurance company's machine learning algorithm
Can you post a link verifying that the conference used a blind selection process in the first place?
https://cfp.githubapp.com/events/electronconf-2017
For every man being fucked over because a vagina complained, there is a cuck in power doing this for her.
Men in tech talk about tech.
Women in tech talk about women in tech.
Those who can do.
Those who can't teach.
Well thanks for posting this. This motivates me to get myself on speaker panels as a woman, based on my merit. It is disgraceful we aren't on there, but it's not the men's fault.
Also , not all female coder stereotypes are true.
It's clear for us that women are doing more harm than good for themselves with this attitude. I feel that major shift in men/women relationship is inevitable very soon. And it won't look nice for females.
If the average person wants to preserve the quality of events like this, they (we) need to make the obvious counter arguments. I don't go to industry panels to hear from the unsuccessful in place of the successful. If github brings diversity at the expense of talent, i have no reason to attend this technical conference.
Without silence there can be no song. .
The rival teams are irrelevant... There is a game! And you're in!
No surprises here - just what kinda conference would a programmer wanna go to where they knew in advance there'd be no pussy to hit?
"Yep, more women should learn how to code." this comment is fucking pure gold.
It's ok guys. Any business model that favors gender quotas over quality of workers will inherently produce inferior goods and services and they will be more easily outcompeted. Consumers will punish their sexism. The free market always wins.
Wasn't one of the first programmers a woman? Didn't she invent one of those Old languages while in the USAF?
I mean, I think this whole "cancel the meeting" was stupid. Still, it seems that women just don't do CS/CSE anymore. They don't make them like they used to, I guess.
Where are the male nursing scholarships????
http://nursejournal.org/articles/14-best-nursing-scholarships-for-men/
In other words: "We want women regardless of merit and failed to discriminate against men enough".
Open source usually means "working for free on something for the greater good without personal reward beyond intrinsic interest". This does not appeal to women who are apply a pragmatic "what's in it for me" to everything.
Right. Women aren't that interested in it and don't apply themselves (for free) enough to get good at it. They aren't interested in the abstract concepts or the self improvement that's a necessary part of it.
But they love to blame "the patriarchy" and "all programming shops are male dominated spaces and that's why there are no women doing it".
Standard man-blaming for their own inadequacies.
Equality of outcome.
And these peasants will say it's equal opportunity cause they don't even know the difference.
Hopefully people will wise up and realize they are admitting that they are purposefully not presenting the best, and they can go ahead and skip this conference.
GitHub has a history of SJW nonsense, so I am not surprised. The reality is men are better suited to coding because of biological differences that occur during development. No one should expect the top coders to be women.
This ought to explain why women score higher than men in STEM even on standardized (i.e blind) tests.
So women can have their own screening of a movie but men can't have a conference? Pfffffttttt
If you are counting penises and vaginas you are either a Social Justice Warrior or directing a porno.
I wonder why github even cares. Why does no such company have the balls to go through with it. They win nothing by admitting fault.
Good thing I'm not on twitter. Would probably waste hours making fun of stupid feminists.
Grace Hopper would like a word with you.
Christ... If anything Grace Hopper just shows that women can do it if they are talented and inclined. What else do you think that one woman in the entire history of computing shows us?
I mean, it's not like there's Ada Lovelace, Greta Herman, the original ENIAC programmers, Erna Hoover, Lynn Conway (who founded the very field I work on), or Deborah Estrin to accompany her.
Have you maybe considered your attitude that "only a few women can do this shit" creates some sort of confirmation bias? Or that the fact you're bullying attitude is what pushes women (and minorities) away?
Judging by your post there's a possibility that this might be a statistical anomaly, given that there are plenty of other conferences with woman and minority speakers that used this same type of thing.
The fact you immediately jumped on one example rather than checking other conferences for a trend proves to me your confirmation bias. If this were a case for many, many conferences over a long period of time, I'd have more reason to believe you.
Moreover, is the blind selection truly blind?
Whats the point of using the blind review process if you're going to get upset that it was 'blind' to gender? Isn't that pretty much the original purpose or one of the original purpose behind this process?
I'd venture more lack of interest. There are some women who are talented in it, and are either uninterested in being a pioneer (goddamn pioneers. How dare they do the difficult part of paving the way for other people to do things!), or just don't want to program. It's complicated for simple answers, though.
This is so infuriating. Men are better at some things in certain environments, you just have to accept it. Just like women are better at other things. You can't have perfect equality, and if it means all male conference then that is perfectly fine.
This is society's general method for holding men back
I'm so glad somebody finally mentioned this in this subreddit. SJW are really polluting programming communities everywhere, like a recent issue on the ruby community where the Japanese maintainers refused to include something called the Contributor Covenant
When did software tools start being embroiled in SJW issues? This is so ridiculous.
I remember there being a parody programming language C+= that had all its rules and functions written in a politically correct way but, in a twist of irony, it was purged from the host website after SJWs complained about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper
With any example one can find an equal and opposite counter example.
Anyways, regarding males having to pick up the slack in software, I've personally seen what you're talking about. I've also seen the exact opposite. In the end it's the person's fault if they are doing more work than they want, despite their genders. If you're worried about having to do more work because your company is hiring shitty developers who just happen to all be women then go work somewhere else.
On the same note, if your company overreacts to shit from twitter like this and let's any tom dick and harriet effect their decisions maybe you should consider switching jobs as well.
If you're optimizing for laziness, there's an operation I think you should seriously consider.
Anyways, no point in complaining and if you end up being the one who makes decisions, you know better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epictetus
You're full of shit. You've certainly never seen women programmers picking up male slack and I can find a 1000 times more examples of really good male programmers than female.
I've seen it, a guy cowboys a central feature he has over 10yrs experience and its turns out to be complete shit. The two girls on the team integrating with it lock themselves in an office with a whiteboard and beast mode a fix. The guy quits.
My team comes around I'm looking at the code base and sure enough the code was shit where it wasnt one of the women overwriting with proper techniques.
Merit is merit, the issue here was more so seniority. Staying edged in tech is hard and the new guy/girl can often best you the thing is both those women are extremely talented and wont be bullied off. They are witty and are no BS. They can roll. Most other women after 2yrs move to another roll like testing or admin assistant. Thats my field report. They can do the job but there are VERY few for reasons explained via redpill.
Grace Hopper doesn't contradict anything I said. I admit there will be exceptional people from all walks of life. But one woman in all of history doesn't mean that women should find themselves equally present at every tech conference.
And let's not forget, Hopper was responsible for COBOL. Nobody uses that any more and for good reason. Nothing important has been written in it. Nobody in their right has or ever did want to write it. Much like Ada Lovelace, she is lauded simply because she is a woman. If C was designed by women, you'd have never even heard of Grace Hopper.
That's not true. Here's an example
I wish people would actually make a point instead of just pointing to Grace Hopper and saying "look". Are you arguing that she is one of the best programmers that ever lived? Do you have any evidence to back that up?
My point is that you're wrong
She wrote the first compiler ever and apparently popularized architecture independent languages. Would you that doesn't qualify her as one of "the best programmers that have ever been"?
It doesn't necessarily qualify her. Many people invent languages. Most are not used. The one she was involved in, COBOL, is no longer used. The most notable thing about Miss Hopper is that she was a woman. I see no evidence of her actually being an excellent programmer.
She didn't invent COBOL, she invented the idea of languages that lead to COBOL. There's a huge difference in that
I might be inclined to agree with the fact that she wasn't necessarily a great programmer, I would argue she was a good computer scientist.
Clearly there's something to be said and your post is great but it's unrelated to the subreddit.