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Guide for better 1-on-1 conversations with Women.

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134 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

EDIT: I deleted this post because I got banned from TRP so couldn't respond to any new comments - it had nothing to do with Politics for anyone wondering (that was my old account, posting too much on RP made it useless for commenting elsewhere so I deleted it after too much "Eurgh, typical Red Piller" Ad Hominem BS). I guess the Mods thought I was Trolling on another thread and they ban you pretty quick for that, no big deal, misunderstandings happen.

upvotesSmoothBeliever2 years ago

if someone googles your username, this comment pops up, recommend u erase it

15 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

EDIT: I've taken your advice dude and deleted my comment. To be clear though I'd legit done nothing at all wrong and simply got accused of having a set of political views which I do not possess and had a huge string of comments explaining why I didn't with an intellectually dishonest prick - I didn't want to use that account anymore. It was simply a poorly chosen username (which I was unaware of why when I chose it) and a bit of melodrama on my part after taking some hysterical idiocy too seriously.

22 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Did you stray into the UK subreddit? Did you piss off the lefties who dominate there? God forbid, tell me you didn't make the mistake of not regurgitating their narrative? They certainly like to down vote any conservative thoughts

35 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

EDIT: Don't worry, I won't delete this account.

12 upvotesaigamithite2 years ago

No shame - balance has been restored.

Use the gold well.

Edit: Just don't delete this one or you will face repercussions

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You delightful little sausage!

Much too kind Sir, much too kind.

7 upvotesw0lfatthed00r452 years ago

the reason they assumed something is because "88" is sometimes used as a neo nazi symbol which means Heil Hitler ... H is the 8th letter in the alphabet so 88=HH=Heil Hitler ... I'm not saying they were right in their assumption. Just wanted to clarify since it isn't exactly common knowledge.

8 upvotessamuelnine2 years ago

Stop with the mansplaining god damnit.

/s

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No, I'm glad you said that and I wouldn't have assumed you were accusing me.

Obvious to most people perhaps is that was my birth year, not a Heiling of the old boy Hitler.

14 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I had the same problem on a "2nd referendum whining post". Discussing a reason that had nothing to do with immigration somehow turned into me being a racist, right wing neo nazi. I was so proud that I was this side of the argument. Group think is bizarre 😂

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

The Left are stoking a fire at the moment, something has got to give.

Saying that, that utter Cunt Corbyn got over 12,000,000 votes a few weeks ago...these are terrifying times.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Simple explanation. Very few vote based on principle. Corbyn has promised the poor utopia, whilst hiding the true cost for their children and grandchildren. The left can't see beyond their sloth and greed

1 upvoteseveryone_wins2 years ago

I'm so sorry to hear that you live in the UK. Maybe come to the USA. We have guns here and most of the people who are of the same mind as us have a lot of guns, ammo, and training.

3 upvotesbaddaman2 years ago

Wouldn't worry too much about it mate. There's morons everywhere.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I know. I was a moment of melodrama but probably the best thing to do overall, it's useless having an account you can only post in certain places on.

It's telling though that people find your ideas so distasteful yet so difficult to refute that they've got to try trawling your history to find stuff to get at you for.

I'll stress again though - I legit dindunuffin

2 upvotesbaddaman2 years ago

You were born in 1988 mate, that's about the biggest crime you can commit.

2 upvotes24357340982 years ago

Why even get pissed at a random fucktard typing shit over the internet?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Naive fool that I am I like to treat people with respect and courtesy when discussing matters of politics because, when you don't, you are inviting ever-more-extreme pushbacks. See Antifa and the actual Alt-Right at the moment.

If people engage in such rampant intellectual dishonesty and are so feverishly protective of their little Reddit bubble that they're willing to spread lies about someone it does annoy me.

2 upvotesthrow174532 years ago

I remember your old account - you struck me as intelligent and I tended to approve of what you wrote.

A lot of people act like fucktards when it comes to politics. Left and right. Anything touching on ideology causes people to emotionally attach to it - identify with it - become biased towards it.

Then you get in-group / out-group thinking etc. Differing views and ideas are attacked.

Rationality and civil discourse are far less fun than playing the victim. Or pepe memes. Or LARPing in some parody of meaningful protest.

Better to have a seperate account if you post on theredpill - it's not exactly in alignment with the cultural zeitgeist.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I appreciate your esteem.

Based on what you've written I think you might find this video instructive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

During the Victorian era in the UK the rotating Premierships of Disraeli and Gladstone more or less tacitly acknowledged that public thought was a swinging pendulum between Liberalism and Nationalist Conservatism, and the sensible thing to discern from that is of course no party should excessively attack the other, as it will only polarise the public and disenfranchise the masses, but of course...they did the exact f*cking opposite and it looks like the rest of the world took notes. We are in the terrible position in the present of having strong ideologies on both sides and yet no mainstream political outlets for them.

That's from "The Lion & The Unicorn" By Richard Alduous BTW

upvotesDarkistco2 years ago

reams of text about how he's looked at my posting history

ahahhaha people have no life at all, laugh at their pathetic self

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

It was a lie anyway.

I'd only posted on RP recently with that account and never posted about Videogames that he would have seen.

He was trying to "Poison the well" to make people ignore me because he was scared of what I might say.

14 upvotesBatmansiphone2 years ago

It truly is hell having a right wing ideology in the uk, especially at uni

15 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I can't even imagine how hard that must be. The biggest problem with Left/Right isn't the policy division, it's the fictitious notion that because you're on the Left you're inherently good and if you're on the Right you're inherently bad. Baaaaaaawwwwlooooockssssss.

-12 upvotesyodawg322 years ago

Obviously no one is going to say you're a bad person based off your political views. That being said, we are all human and will be quick to judge. Conservative ideologies, imo, tend to be 'anti utilitarian' and at times selfish. So don't be surprised if someone judges you for supporting them. (especially if you're young)

18 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Obviously no one is going to say you're a bad person based off your political views.

Yes, actually, a lot will. Talk to any loud leftist in America. Mention anything outside normal discourse that is "right wing" (bullshit notion) in normal conversation.

Conservative ideologies, imo, tend to be 'anti utilitarian' and at times selfish.

"Conservative" values are the opposite of selfish. You are looking at it from a modern left viewpoint. Not giving the worst type of person the most amount of money isn't selfish, it is what's best for society. Censoring science (left) is a selfish attempt to preserve feelings. Degrading gender dynamics for power is selfish. Purposeful "white lies" using language to shift a narrative is destruction of english for selfish means.

Leftism combined with the power that democracy gives is a power hungry selfish ideology

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You really don't think people make judgements base don people's political views? Damn, you must live in a nice area.

I don't agree that Conservative values are Selfish, I find them nothing but empowering and I try to explain their inherent virtue to people.

Mandem isn't young, I'm nearly 30.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Stand your ground dude, despite the pain that comes from austerity, it's a need for the UK's future

2 upvotesMetalageddon2 years ago

conservative thoughts

And

Merit

Are now the same. That's the fucked up root of it.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Our forefathers must be livid that this is how society ended up 😆

2 upvotesBrazilian_Slaughter2 years ago

Lefties dominate the UK subreddit too? The brazilian one is some bizarre leftist shadow-dictatorship where its supposed to look like a free reddit but they actually ban everyone they don't like - which mainly means right-wing or traditionalist people. Even questioning the leftist narrative results in bans. Bans with lame excuses like "lol u a troll".

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Proof that even in Brazil, lefties are cancer :L

2 upvotesadamski45542 years ago

Such people may put a swift halt to their existence for all I care.

1 upvotesnewName5434562 years ago

I got banned from other (female dominated) subreddit despite never even posting there, most likely due to extensive TRP posting history.

Can't help but laugh at leftist bunch.

19 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Good post. Literally every man who is not getting laid thinks that there is some sort of science to getting laid. Like they've got to use the right formula and everything has to be a certain way or it won't work.

It is ridiculously sad that there is no place in the world where more knowledge is available to a young man than this subreddit.

7 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Or worse than a science, they think there's a "Life-Hack" - I really hate that "shortcut mindset" that so many people have.

5 upvotesthetrpthrowaway2 years ago

Isn't it what you're doing here in this post?

9 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

This post is biology. Everyone with balls already subconsciously understood this information before he even posted it, but in truth, they just haven't acted out on it because they lack the confidence and need their hand to be held.

The "Life-Hacks" come in when you start trying too hard to get pussy: Wearing a fedora, learning a British accent, carrying around a guitar wherever you go, reading about fractionation seduction techniques, only going out on a specific date and only approaching/advancing on women who are wearing only red and are sitting a specific way... that type of bullshit is what we mean as "Life-Hacks".

1 upvotesBillee_Boyee2 years ago

To be fair, it helps if you can actually PLAY the guitar.

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

How is a list that advocates for learning better social habit's a life-hack or a shortcut?

upvotesEightyTimes2 years ago

Some good stuff, but lots of weird stuff too. Addressing symptoms and lots of advice that doesn't need to be advice.

Here are my additions:

If you happen to be holding something, like a drink, hold it at your waist and not up to your chest – this is a psychological indicator of tension and a physical barrier.

Source for this psuedoscience? If you're focusing on such a small detail then you've already lost.

You’re opener should be context specific

This point is the best advice of the bunch. A+. Take notes boys.

Stand still;

You're shifting weight and moving around because you're nervous. Approaches will make you less so.

Maintain intense eye contact when she’s speaking, glancing away occasionally so that you don’t end up staring.

Basically learn how to communicate with women the same way you already communicate with men. Relax bros.

Mind your facial expressions whilst she’s speaking

Do whatever the fuck you want to do with your face. What kind of advice is this?

Speak slowly and in a deep voice. This is absolutely critical

Speak in your relaxed voice. Don't artificially adjust your voice. It's super obvious and everybody can tell.

make sure you transition slowly from expression to expression

What is this, The Ultimate Guide On How To Human? Let your fucking face and voice do what it wants to do.

keep your answers shorter than hers and always turn the conversation back onto her.

Always good. People love talking about themselves. They will food good when they do it and they will attribute the good feeling to your presence.

flirting/seduction isn’t a box ticking exercise or a constant path of affirmation.

Treat conversations like a game. Have fun with it.

It’s fine to give small compliments to her but don’t overdo it

The reason 'negging' is even a THING is because if you're unafraid to be rudely honest about negatives, it means the nice things you say can be taken at face value rather than a manipulation tactic.

Defuse your compliments with a playful jab, poke, or joke to make them feel more genuine.

“What are your passions?”

Is the worst thing you can casually say to someone. It sounds so forced. Pick up on those things you've already heard, and use those to make assumptions about their passions. Outright asking is some highschool shit.

talk to as many women as you can, today, no excuses

DO IT UP!

Approach more and your nerves will die down. Thus eliminating most of the problems addressed here. You won't be shifting your weight or speaking in a higher than normal voice because you won't be fucking nervous.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Most of the points are about demonstrating congruence, I think it's funny you don't pick up on that.

The fact you assert that approaching more will make such interactions easier isn't in question, and it's NOT something I question, this is just some general good advice for people starting from complete scratch and perhaps some good tips for more seasoned guys.

Don't ever approach something from the perspective "It's weird to me, so it must be flawed."

upvotesEightyTimes2 years ago

I think it's funny you don't pick up on that

I do pick up on that. I'm adding additional thoughts to the points already established.

Sometimes the additions lean on the side of confirmation and sometimes they lean on the side of disagreement. Either way they either build upon, of offer an alt point of view on what you said.

It's valuable for newbies, helps them to critically work through these points so they're not overwhelmed.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

It's the notion that you found any of it "weird" that concerned me.

Just to pick out one part, if you haven't seen a man awkwardly standing with his beer clung to his chest like it's his first-born son then I'm not surprised you think it's superfluous, but trust me, it's weird and shows tension.

Newbies are new to RP but they're not necessarily alien to speaking with people, this is a "common-sense" post not an Red-Pill-Truth post, I trust people can decide for themselves what they want to take away - if anything.

27 upvotesMetalgear2222 years ago

Dat sign off though..

Good advice here on game. This guy fucks.

17 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I've had the best conversations with women when I treat them like dudes. I'm not homosexual so that takes away 100% of the pressure and I get to keep my dignity.

Whenever I reflect on past relationships with women I've done everything you posted not to do. It's nice to look back and learn and even see guides like this. Very educational and enlightening.

However, I'm just not motivated to ever embarrass myself again. I'd rather embarrass myself trying a new martial art, working out, asking a dumb question in class, or making money. The happiest times of my life are when I'm in this mindset. It's not so much giving up something I wanted to do but, more like accepting what I am unwilling to do.

Good job though. Although, I've let it go I still love learning about it. Quite a bit of what you've posted reflects what other sources have stated.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, have you given up approaching women or just given up trying to 'Game' them?

20 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I haven't given up anything. I just accepted I'm not comfortable doing what is necessary to 'game' women.

Approaching people is inevitable in business. I don't consider trolling for booty a business I'd invest in. Doesn't mean I won't read about how the stock is performing or give props to its advisors.

Puss* in 1st world countries is a low gain high value stock. I'd feel like a fool to invest time in a overrated stock. 'Game' and the like is no different than day trading in that regard. Marriage is placing all eggs in one basket. I don't gamble and I don't have enough free time throw it away in shi**y 3rd wave feminist markets.

2 upvotesIncendior2 years ago

It happens. I admit to hoping everything Red Pill is wrong every now and then after a nice tear jerker of a movie snag me I know they're unrealistic and all but damn they are nice and well-crafted to lure the feels

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Not Op but i can attest to what he said. I've gotten much more success with women when i treated them like any other guy (aka treating them like I would an ugly girl). I was just able to be myself comfortably and if you dont have an absolute shit personality it works wonders. But of course, you do want to learn to escalate whenever it's appropriate

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

agreed, that or like talking to a girl at a church gathering: be respectful, polite, and aloof. Sure you're in there to escalate but the point is to get yourself to not have expectations or hidden agendas. If your smv's high enough, she'll respond favorably naturally and give you enough slack to escalate things yourself without forcing it

5 upvotesbasebool2 years ago

I think the idea is once you experience the essence of what you wrote it becomes second nature. That's why more emphasis needs to be put on go out and just talking and embaress yourself because that's the only way for people to learn. Not from strictly studying.

5 upvotesFedor_Gavnyukov2 years ago

another thing to mention, and this is what my acting coach taught me, is to nod your head as little as possible during conversations (not only with women, but in general). people overdo it all the time, yourself included. when it comes to women, picture yourself without nodding every 5 seconds in agreement with her story and then nodding as you would usually. the difference is huge and also shows your confidence levels.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I think I said "Don't sit there nodding at everything she says?"

But Yes, regardless I agree.

5 upvotesred-arctic-tern2 years ago

Talk to everyone like the op suggest (don't escalate with your boss obviously).

Specific advice about talking to women: make her feel tingles.

9 upvotesTerribleVania2 years ago

"Get out of your own head when speaking to other people" but keep in mind this checklist of like 20 things, including your own facial expressions...

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

How is paying attention to your behaviour being stuck inside your own head?

"Oh God! Does she like me? Is my hair right? Am I sweating? What's that guy looking at?" - is blatantly the type of thing I was talking about in this context.

I wish people would think before they post comments....

upvotesadvilpls2 years ago

You shouldn't be thinking about your behavior, you should just act natural. If you feel calm you're not gonna be doing anything on that list anyway

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Natural behaviour is not necessarily attractive or confident behaviour and besides, not everyone's "natural" is the same.

When I first came on RP back in March, nearly all submissions were like this - with varying degrees of complexity and different subjects of course - knowing the foundations is essential to building yourself up strong.

3 upvotesreckonaway2 years ago

Everyone should focus the most on the second point

5 upvotesbrotherhood-of-man2 years ago

Do not under any circumstances, no matter how busy the environment you are in, keep diverting your attention from her to other things and other people.

WHY???

That's basically what all the beta orbiter do. They put the woman on a pedestal, and ignore everything else around them, "protecting" her from other men.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No, you're leaving out the context.

If you do this in your first interaction it will establish strong rapport, show solid social skills and make it much more likely that she will want to bed you that very night - or do you think it's a good idea to approach a woman cold and then proceed to partially ignore her?

There's more to Pedastal'ing than paying attention to her, I've said already don't be fawning. Pull out the advanced stuff when you want to keep her as a plate.

upvotesHeathcliff--2 years ago

I think it's less black and white. If I'm talking to a girl and one of my buddies/a hot girl I know/someone high value bumps into us I will make a show of acknowledging them for half a minute. Demonstrates value, show's social proof and tells her that I'm not 100% invested in her snd she should be working to keep my attention.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

"Make a show of acknowledging them for half a minute."

I don't disagree with you and I hope it didn't read like I was saying "ignore everyone around you, even if you know them.", it can seem vague and lacking if you seem only partially interested in what she's saying though - unless you are well-seasoned in 'Game' tactics.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No, isolation in this context is not the isolation you are thinking of. Isolation of a woman in a conversation allows you to become more intimate with her, alleviating her of the social pressure of her friends around her. You aren't putting her above you. You are connecting with her one on one as equals, who are interested in conversing with one another.

2 upvotesSalted_Pretzel2 years ago

Wow, these are really good advice and reference. I've been focusing on two things; eye contact and voice. Any tips on those?

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago
  • Don't look at people unless you're planning to speak to them (niche tip, admittedly)
  • Never break eye contact downwards with men or women, always break it off to the side.
  • Bear in mind the expression on your face can make the difference between staring and gazing intently
  • As above, look at people intently when they're talking and keep focussed on the bridge of their nose, break it more often when you're talking.

  • What makes a masculine voice? I don't know. But Slow and Deep are the best rules of thumb to appear confident and they're certainly not not masculine.

2 upvotesMaxwellGaine2 years ago

Why bridge of the nose vs. the pupil?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Because you will 'scan' back and forth between each eye if you look at the pupil, better to maintain stillness if you look at the bridge of the nose.

TBH that's advice I've seen all over the internet, I'm surprised some people haven't heard of it before.

1 upvotesMaxwellGaine2 years ago

I heard it makes you look autistic, but have no idea how it actually turns out.

2 upvotesthoughtlow2 years ago

This is a goldmine. Thank you and I would like to see part 2

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Thank you mate.

I'll stick it up in day or two.

2 upvotessuske1272 years ago

I read this when you first posted and it was one of the best articles I've come across on here. Helped me immeasurably in life; and I'm very glad you reposted as a refresher to me, and because this is a must read for newcomers.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I'm having an 'awwww shucks' moment now.

You're very welcome, your kind words won't be forgotten!

2 upvotesstoicmarcus2 years ago

Unpopular opinion.

Although I agree with your points, I have another advice for anyone looking for improving conversations with women.

The old me would have tried to learn all these points, reading and rereading the post. Now I've understood that for me it's basically unuseful beacause the worst thing you can do when you are talking with a woman is thinking about some post you've read on reddit.

Focus on her, on the flow of the conversation, feel free to express yourself.

Confidence is built on experience, not post reading on Reddit.

The way you talk, your body language, everything that you communicate are an external representations of the way you feel inside. And, I repeat, the only way you can improve is trial and error. It's never gonna be perfect, but you'll improve, I guarantee you. Put yourself in situation that cause you anxiety and the results will come without any further reading.

Beyond a certain point, reading and overanalyzing conversations become mental masturbation.

The bottom line is: don't focus too much on theory, just go outside, make mistakes, enjoy the life.

Theory is a good way to start, but in the past I noticed I focused to much on it and to learn every possible way to handle a conversation.

Fuck that.

If you think about it, the very fact that you put so much effort to speak with a woman is kind of pedestalizing her.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

The world is full of Unpopular Opinions - it's almost like they don't understand what a special snowflake I am.

I agree to a point, if you load up on theory without ever putting the knowledge into practice then you basically become a human book that no one ever gets to read and gathering metaphoric dust.

With that being said though, there are a lot of men out there (me included) that simply "Tried" or 'Just did it because someone said just do it' and because we/they fell short (flat on my face) without even the opportunity to think about what you might be doing wrong - seeing this sort of thing can really help.

This is not something to be slaved over, it's something to be scanned for value and memorised to as reasonable-an-extent as you can manage.

It's funny you touch on Confidence being about experience, if you click on my username and go under 'submitted' you will find an article I put up saying exactly that - there's not many, you'll find it.

4 upvotesMattyAnon2 years ago

I originally uploaded this post back in March (under an account I’ve since had to delete)

You can't prove this was you... if indeed it was you... so you should credit the original author.

12 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I'm glad YOU said that MattyAnon because YOU commented on my original and said "This is great, you should upload the second part." and then you and I had a brief discussion about how we can't link to other parts of Reddit in the body of text and must use the Archive feature instead.

Because, if you remember, I linked to the Part 2 via edit (next day), the submission got auto-modded and I re-uploaded it - 595 up-votes for the first and about 394 for the second.

Props for calling out a potential faker though.

10 upvotesMattyAnon2 years ago

hahaha epic.

I've made thousands of comments, sorry if I forgot one.

10 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Nah I'm really pleased you'd try and call out a potential thief, I'm sure someone legitimately has done this before.

9 upvotesyyiiii2 years ago

Well that exchange did not go the way I expected... you've both got a sturdiness and conviction about you, and don't seem to taking things overly seriously.

takes notes

3 upvotesMonodok2 years ago

You seem like a cool guy. Great advice!

1 upvotescrazitomali2 years ago

Reminds me alot of what i leatned during my RSD Nation days. Learning from todd and tyler on youtube

1 upvotesRedPimpin2 years ago

never understood the talk slowly and deep thing, its like wanting to act like a 'boss type' person, its as real as driving a mercedes makes you a 'boss'

just find your own style and stick with it, dont try to be a 'boss', thats something you saw on disney movies

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Nope it's nothing to do with aping a more powerful man.

Women talk in high pitches and men typically talk in low pitches, considering the TRP teaches men to embrace all things masculine this would seem to stand to common sense that you'd adopt a deeper, bass-like tone.

If you've never seen a man get so excited by talking to a girl that he sounds like a Teletubby then I'm not surprised you think it's silly. Whatever man, it's your life.

1 upvotesRedPimpin2 years ago

if you talk with your normal voice it should be masculine either way because you're a man

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

That's a very subjective statement.

1 upvotesfacelips2 years ago

aintain intense eye contact when she’s speaking, glancing away occasionally so that you don’t end up staring. When you’re speaking punctuate it with sweeping gazes around the room or the area you’re in.

Everything seems great except for this. Please do not ever do this. This is the advice given to sales people, to psychologists, and to priests that makes them seem to unendurably awful. No one wants some terrifying creep boring their eyes into your soul. I have sales Associates who do this and everyone mocks them with savagery for it. Terrifying habit. Please don't.

2 upvotesMaxwellGaine2 years ago

Being dominated by and building sexual tension with a sales associate isn't enjoyable.

Being dominated by and building sexual tension with a man who you feel attracted to is a totally different ballgame (FOR THE GIRL... probably some of you too).

upvotes [OP]50 years ago

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2 upvotesMaxwellGaine2 years ago

It doesn't have to be scary.

"Let's go get pizza." Dominating, but not scary.

1 upvotesfacelips2 years ago

We're talking about the horrible habit of maintaining intense eye contact.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Hmmm, maybe it's a cultural thing?

Eye contact is a powerful tool and I've never seen anyone advocating for breaking it excessively - I do note "...don't end up staring."

1 upvotesEther_Freeth2 years ago

Nice write up.

Looking forward too part two.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Thanks man.

I'm just working through the comments now after losing about 15 lb's overnight from the scorching English summer heat.

1 upvotesshowerdudes992 years ago

I've heard so many mixed things on TRP. So which is it going to be. Do you ask a girl questions like an interview or should you mainly focus on making statements ?

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

The focus should always be on her not you, don't interview her but do keep the focus on her.

I don't mean slavish attention for untold hours propping up the bar, I just mean let her talk about herself so she feels close to you and you can escalate more easily.

There literally are guys on here that claim such and such works or they can go from nought to shagging in 8 minutes, but a newbie shouldn't be aiming for that straight away.

You've got to lay the foundations before you build the penthouse - see what I mean?

1 upvotesnica-dan-cs2 years ago

"Your opener should be context specific" I don't want to be rude, but why? This is a geniune question. I heard a lot of men say you should be direct with the "You're cute" kind of opener. And being direct shows more confidence. Also what does "context specific" mean exactly.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No, it's good to ask questions.

You should, strictly speaking, avoid cliche's and tropes when talking to women and certainly avoid fawning over them with compliments as your opening statement - a pretty woman already knows she's pretty, right?

Context specific; in a pub? Ask what she's drinking or who she's out with. Make it situational rather than personal to her.

Don't get me wrong, other ways work, but you're increasing your chances of getting of on the right foot this way, I believe.

1 upvotesMaxwellGaine2 years ago

Here's my take on it.

"You're cute."

Pros: - assertive (not asking questions, making statements, dominant) - immediately indicates your intent (I'm not here to be your friend) - charming

However, this is only good if your SMV is obviously higher than hers, in which case it's a decent opener.

Cons: - doesn't give her much of a hook to to continue the conversation with. "Thanks... you too?" - immediately indicates your intent, which activates bitch shield (unless she feels her SMV is much lower than yours, which is going to be unlikely in 99% of cases for most of us) - appears to lower your SMV (see above) - puts you in chase / invest mode

Asking questions isn't terrible either, but conveys less masculine dominance. After all, you'd ask questions to someone you're planning to be platonic with as well, questions are investing, and don't necessarily communicate intent.

Seems that making assertive statements about the venue would be the best of both worlds, then conveying intention with kino and eye contact.

1 upvotestheoctopuss2 years ago

I'll share an anecdote.

I was a sophomore in college. I was in an entry level English class that didn't have much substance. Like every guy in existence, the first thing I did was scan the room for the hottest girls. In total there were 3 of them, two of them about 8, one between 6 and 7.

Girl 1 was the jersey shore looking chick. Tan skin, black hair, and an amazing body. Girl 2 was a redhead, great rack, decent body, and had the best face of the 3. She didnt seem lile the popular type. Girl 3 wasn't the best. Good body, ok face, and she was Colombian or something. She seemed like the nerdy perfectionost type, but I would later find out she was a drug addled hoe.

So I plant myself square in fron of Girl 1. If the other two saw me talking to this bird my preselection would go through the roof. I sit down, turn around, and introduce myself. I could tell that she wasn't used to guys approaching her like that, but the masculine energy was too much for her puny loins. She looked at me with a blank expression for a second, then told me her name. I talked to her for a second then directed my attention at one of the bros mid sentence. I glance over at girl 2 and saw her staring a hole through me. She snapped out of after a second and didnt try to look at me the rest of class. I was ignoring girl 3. Its never a good idea to get them entangled in a love pyramid.

For about a week I would flirt with girl 1. I got her number (girl 2 saw this, insane amount of preselection). She was soaking it up, even though she was shy and nervous at first. Most of the other people in class literally never said a word, so it was pretty much only me, girl 1, and dude bro having bantz.

Once it was apparent girl 1 was going to be no more than a preselection tool, I commenced part 2 of my plan.

The class started as normal. Good times with girl 1, bro dude, etc. Girl 2 had started a friendship with this wildebeast looking girl which played into my favor. Class ends and we all start filing out. I walk beside girl 2 and introduce myself. "Hey, I'm (theoctopuss)." was all I said. She smiles and says her name. I tell her Ill see her around and walk away.

An hour later she sends me a facebook request (back when it was big). I accept. I get a message from girl 2. It said "hey (theoctopuss) :)". I was in. I messaged her back a bit later. I say "i noticed your hair, its nice." She responds with "you want to pull it?" Fuck, I had never met a girl who was so forward.

I hang out with her that day and we smash like rabbits. We hooked up almost every day for a month or so, then she got weird. One thing I did get out of her was this. She says "We never would have gotten together if you hadn't introduced yourself to me that day." What I took from it was that because I had the confidence and energy to approach her proved that I was a man in her eyes.

The point is, you have to approach because they sure as shit won't approach you.

1 upvotesEscortSportage2 years ago

-hold the drink with your left hand, so when meeting new people and shaking their hand your hand will not be cold and wet.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Interesting one.

Assuming you are ambidextrous enough that you don't end up jabbing yourself in the eye with the bottle-neck

1 upvotesEscortSportage2 years ago

Also remove the straw, everyone looks stupid trying to get the straw with your mouth and or stabbing your face with it.

upvotesGalactic-Unicorn2 years ago

What has TRP become lately?

I'm reading this imagining an autist trying to apply it like a formula.

Want to talk to a girl? Just do it.

If you're unable to speak to women, read the sidebar and lift until you can.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Yeah.

Telling people to "just do it" gives them everything they need. The maxim "Fail to prepare, prepare to fail" is for faggots...

upvotesihatebeingblack272 years ago

You want a simple way to have a GOOD relationship with any and all women whether it's work relationship or romantically you wanna know the key here it is....... LIE TO THEM......LIE LIE LIE.....LIE ALL DAY,EVERYDAY AND TWICE A DAY!!!!! I challenge anyone here to find a man who has a good relationship with any woman that hasn't lied to her at LEAST 6-10 times!!!!

upvotesCashRulesItAll2 years ago

this was cool until you said to ask a girl where she got her necklace? who cares?? we're trying to get to the point and slay buns here not ask her weird shit man good content otherwise.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Perhaps you misread it.

My point was don't double-down on a compliment if you think she's ignored it, so if she glosses over "Cool handbag." or whatever don't try and jump down a rabbit-hole of praising it again or saying something about another thing - she's prolly trying to say she's not interested in talking about her accessories, k'naw mean?

-4 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I originally uploaded this post back in March (under an account I’ve since had to delete)

Because you're a little college-aged boy who can't own his words.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

No I'm nearly 30 and I did it for 2 reasons; 1, couldn't use that account anywhere else because I'd posted too much on here and I got the standard "Eurgh, typical Red Piller" bullshit and 2, because I (melodramatically) didn't want to tarnish the RP community.

If you'd read my first comment in the thread you'd know what happened and I'd done nothing wrong to "own" the words to begin with.

TL; DR - I deleted a useless account because people trolled my history and it was fuelling RP hate.





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