INTRO :

Greetings Fellow MGTOW Gentlemen. A long time member and a poster/commenter of this subreddit here.

It's a long time since I posted here.

Recently we had multiple posts where we were discussing about the subreddit named RedPilledWomen and why it's not as "Red Pilled" as it seems. So I thought I will provide an explanation based on my views and observations which I have got after doing enough digging and observing on that subreddit.

English is not my first language, so mistakes may happen while posting this.

BODY :

The sub called RedPilledWomen at first glance looks like a genuine one where discussions about relationships and marriage happen. If someone looks carefully, there is more than that.

A "Redpilled woman" is a joke, a sick one.

What redpilled women do in a relationship is they offer a carrot to the workhorse. They want men to stay as human doings. They just want to keep the horses(men) a bit happier about it. (The typical red pilled woman we are seeing there).

Its all about knowing how to manipulate the man into giving them what they want (just like a regular woman), but it is not for his benefit but for hers, but with a small twist: "using red pill techniques".

A normal relationship would be kind of like having a workhorse (man) and not treating it well and not getting enough value out of it, maybe its abused so much that it runs away, Compared to a redpill style of giving the workhorse (men) enough praise and carrots that it is content and happy enough so that it performs the way a redpill woman want it to.

But all that nice treatment was only to make him happy enough to give her what she wanted, a workhorse that did what she wanted, and catered to her needs. It wasn't because she loved the workhorse and did it regardless of its performance. If the workhorse stops performing, lack abilities and if it gets lame and sick, it can't give a redpilled woman what she wants, and by their own definition here a redpilled woman will stop being nice and get rid of it.

Why? Because that's the only reason she was nice in the first place. That is not "love" or "a redpill relationship". A redpilled woman being nice and "loving" to him stops when he stops being that strong protector provider that "leads her like a captain" (Captain and ship analogy is commonly used by redpillwomen to describe relationships).

Now, compare that to a pet like a dog or a cat or even kids. Imagine you have a dog or a kid, where you have no expectations of them in return for your love. You will care about them regardless of how sick and unhappy they get, or what they can DO for you.

Now, on the other hand, if you had a circus business and a performing monkey, it needs to perform for you because that's what you want, and then even if you hated the annoying little shit, you may still have to be nice to it and care about its happiness in order to get it to do what you want.

Replace the circus owner with a redpilled woman/a woman in general, and replace the performing monkey with her husband/boyfriend/fiance. There you go, you have a relationship right in front of your eyes.

The man who is coming from a place where he doesn't get any respect and is still expected to be the protector, fee-fee booster of that woman, a.k.a. "her man" basically, may enjoy that far more, for sure. But he is still expected to shoulder all the responsibility and all the expectations that come with that along with facing consequences for his woman's actions and her hamster wheeling. Even if the woman is financially independent or earns more than the man, he is still at a great disadvantage because that means the woman will slowly lose the respect she had for him just because the man doesn't earn more than her. And slowly, he will become her doormat bitch (hypergamy, which according to a redpilled woman, is a great thing).

In response to all these points that those in the men's movement have made about gender dynamics and how men are the ones who are actually oppressed for all these years, this is what these so called "RedPilled woman" have come up with? Sorry Ladies, wrong answer. This is just another level of fucked up shit by women, repackaged as gynocentrism 2.0, which again solely benefits women while giving men an illusion of "being in charge" and "in control". In reality, its the woman who has the remote.

RedPill Woman is just the same gynocentrism repackaged slightly differently. These women recognize that all they are doing is continuing to look after women's interests, and figuring out how to use men to do things for them, but with a twist: "Using redpilled techniques".

The truth is that they are still just using men, frankly in an even more worse way than I see regular women do it.

I don't see any good in it. Offering a carrot to a workhorse, that's all.

Let me break it down this way :

MGTOW - What do you bring to the table?

Normal Man - Same question from my side.

Woman - I'll allow your happiness, fulfillment, and comfort to be pronounced!

MGTOW - I can be happy, fulfilled, and comfortable without you. I don't need someone's allowance for that.

Woman - What I mean to say is that I will love you!

Normal Man - Great, that's what I want!

MGTOW - But is your love my love? Is it genuine or is there something behind it? That is, are you capable of loving me without anything else? Are you interesting without me? And most importantly, will you love me the same way I do? Without any reason behind it? What's the guarantee that you will not let your nature kick in afterwards? What's the guarantee that I have won the lottery of marriage? What happens if it turns out to be the same?

Woman - um... uh.. My job is to be interesting for you!

MGTOW - That is exactly why I don't consider you red pilled woman.

Normal Man: Please marry me!

Lets assume I am a blue pilled male with a stupid goal of having a relationship. Now, speaking as a bp beta(I said assume), I don't need a woman to chase me. I need her to not suck with me in the relationship or in my absence. I want her to love me without the "what I can do for her" part(which will never happen by the way).

What the world is saying is that a mgtow man sucks if he is single and no woman is with him.

If I don't want a woman, then she is useless to me. That means she provides nothing without me.

Where if I don't have a woman, I still provide something and can be content with my life.

MY POINT OF VIEW:

Again, Lets assume I am speaking as a regular blue pilled average joe with a relationship goal : I don't need a woman. I want to "want" woman, I really do. I want to "want" them, I want the same kind of love that I can/will give to that woman. But that's impossible after knowing their true nature. And after seeing the redpillwomen subreddit, I can only feel bad for my fellow men who actually put up with women like this, because a redpilled woman is much more dangerous than a normal one.

Now I hope you won't get me wrong on this, but if someone is fine being the workhorse while having a carrot and the illusion, he will. Honestly speaking, most men don't even have the slightest idea until something happens. But a man who understands their game will always oppose. The "something is better than nothing" mentality which most men have nowadays is exactly what they are taking advantage of. The things men claim to get in a relationship, we can get them from friends with benefits (FWB) relationship or a short term one. Nothing special about it. My point is why should we emotionally invest ourselves in the relationship after knowing it's a depreciating asset? Redpill women are trying to convert an FWB into an LTR, and that's why it's a sick joke. So yes, once again, its a wrong answer from them.

Plus there are a lot of double standards in their "redpilled" mentality as well(female n count doesn't matter, hypergamy is great etc). I also thought like its a genuine thing when I first found their subreddit. But eventually, it was clear to me that it's just the same manipulation, repackaged to make it seem different.

Because all they can think of to make marriages and relationships better is a return to traditionalism, which is fine, nothing wrong with traditionalism, but with all the harsh expectations of the man taking the lead. And if somehow he gets hit, becomes weak or anything, that respect he used to get is gone as he was being valued only for his ability to serve as a workhorse and be useful to her.

All they have changed here is redpilled women offer a carrot, saying "look, ladies. Men tend to get disenchanted and unhappy if you expect him to do all this for nothing".

The Red Pill Woman sub even say you have to be that way or they won't respect you. Well, glad they admit it themselves lol.

My point is:

if a woman is with a man who likes being dominant by himself all the time (which is unnatural), that's different. If it's natural for him to want to lead and be strong all the time while hiding his emotions, then that's fine. What a redpill woman says is that a man MUST act this way or she won't respect him. It also means that if this person does lapse in his ability to be strong and powerful and The Leader/Captain of the ship(in the words of a redpilled woman), she will also stop respecting him. As they say, he better be "on his toes" if he wants to keep that sweet and cheery maid/cheerleader/wife/sex doll!

So it means even a naturally dominant and strong man isn't safe in a redpilled woman's worldview on this, he's still going to have to bottle up any feelings that might go against this grain, he still better worry that he doesn't lose his job, or not bring home enough money.

Regular women delude themselves into saying they are totally fine with their men showing weakness, where in reality, as we all know, its simply a matter of degree how much they accept. Whereas for a redpilled woman, she straight up says that if her husband isn't The Captain, the leader, the one making the decisions, the dominant one, she as a redpilled woman just can't even respect him which means I would say regular women will probably be more loving and caring for a man in this scenario than a redpilled woman would (their rhetoric is literally how they feel and apply to their daily lives, damn, imagine being one of their husbands).

For example, a regular woman that has to deal with a man who starts to suffer serious depression may well care a whole lot and want to help him, especially because she would feel like an asshole if she left him because of that. For a redpilled woman, her hamster wheel is spinning full speed on how long she is going to let this last before he's no longer worthy of his man-card and her respect.

A regular woman would at least have to come up with more of an excuse if she left the guy that was like this, whereas a redpilled woman will just straight out say that its because she only respects men who are strong and dominant all the time whether they like it or not. Perhaps there's a certain respect to be earned from this honesty.

As I said though, redpilled women are not doing any of this :good things" because relationships for men are unfair and they want to correct it or something, they maybe call themselves redpilled women but they still have got the same shitty expectations of men as we currently have, except they have realized that by acting this way (helpful and sweet, chameleoning) means men feel happier about being in them. They talk a lot about their husband's happiness as being number 1 priority, but it's clear this is only to the point that he is still being the dominant leader a redpilled woman expect him to be. If he becomes weak or loses his dominance, gets depression, has self-esteem issues for too long, or if she cants train him to "lead" or be dominant enough (yes they constantly talk about training men like pups), she will not respect that. So a redpilled woman will leave him. He hasn't filled his end of the bargain after all, so if he is feeling that way he should keep that shit bottled up inside. He should only worry about losing his job, or how much money he makes, because if he doesn't make enough or he shows his weakness too much then he is not a real man somehow.

CONCLUSION :

To me, all of this is just offering a carrot to the workhorse, and is worse than a normal relationship.

Now, Why do men fall for this that easily? (To be exact, a couple of my college friends fall for this and are on the verge of ruining themselves while thinking they are building something good. I know they visit this sub often, hopefully, they will see this as well).

Most men don't consider this: if you have to be the leader of a relationship, you also have to see whether that relationship is worth leading or not.

Let's use the same "ship and captain", analogy from redpilled women. Let's say you are the leader of a ship crew. Now, will you continue to lead them if you know that they can rebel/ form a riot at any moment/attack you and take your life, if you show even a little bit of weakness? Will you lead the crew after knowing this? Of course not.

Exactly. If we assume that the husband is a captain and his woman is the first officer(or whatever they call it), then you as a husband have to see whether she is worth leading or not. Will you willingly put yourself in a place where you can be backstabbed by the person you trust the most? Exactly.

This is why any relationship with a woman (redpilled woman or normal, doesn't matter) is not worth having at all. The mental gymnastics I will have to play, the regular shit tests, acting as the leader all the time and still living with a woman is not worth the time and energy. And what will I get from that? Never got an answer to this question. Because as a man, you don't get anything special.

Want to have sex? Its everywhere without the hassle of a relationship most of the time. Or you have options for massage parlors and all that.

you pay for sex one way or the other. Have sex, fuck her brains out, do anything you want to. But do not develop emotions for them, do not develop oneitis. Understand the fact that whatever a woman says to you will be gone tomorrow, because it's temporary. Focus on your own life instead of having a woman, because even if you manage to have one, she was not yours, to begin with. You will just be the new reader of that book.

A story without an ending is often what men are looking for with a woman.

Women are just like books, only some of the books are worth reading, that too for a limited time. This is what men don't understand most of the time as we have seen in our daily lives. When the story ends and it's time to close the book and put it back on the shelf, most men refuse. They think they have some kind of connection with the book (women). They start to love that book(women), the rush they felt learning new things in it. They want to relieve that moment. What they don't understand is, the story of the book doesn't change, so eventually they'll grow bored.

But they don't want to admit that it's better to leave the book on the shelf and get a new book from the bookstore/library. That book was special for them. It made them feel like they are connected with that book in some way.

They're just books, my friend. Pick one up, read the story, enjoy it, and then place it back on the shelf. Move on to another book afterwards, so someone else gets a turn. There is a queue behind you, so let them take their turns now. We don't have the rest of our lives to waste rereading a story that we already know the ending to, especially when it serves us with deceit and manipulation.

Simply put, RedPilledWomen subreddit is reality is a training ground for chameleons to sharpen their skills to use it in a far better way to achieve what they want, just with a twist : Using Red Pill as a tool in their favour.

TLDR: Hard to give one this time.