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[–]2littleblacktruck17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
At first glance, I read the headline as "Only 20% of Women are Dead Inside". Would have been a better post if that were the actual content.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But more than 20% are dead inside. I too would have found that more amusing, but we can only observe them, we can't know what they're thinking. Not sure I'd want to know, I figure is mostly incongruous bullshit.
[–]trpthrowaway200346 points47 points48 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
20 (Desired) / 100 (Lifespan) = 20%
This formula doesn't work for a couple reasons.
The way you have it summarized, every woman is desired between the age of 15-35 which isn't true.
I think a better topic would have been: " Women are only desirable on average 20% of their lives."
Honestly, highlighting this only makes your point stronger, because the pool of TRP desirable women only gets smaller.
[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Age determines physique and beauty. 15 being a few years after puberty where she has her feminine physique that signals to males she is capable of bearing children in a healthy manner. Then 35 is when her youth fades, and her physique and skin signals the opposite. Youth and beauty are inextrictably linked. Secondly, It is the most important quality in a man's sexual choice. Therefore, it is the first metric which he filters with. Then add in the youth/beauty causation, and you get age as a filter.
Any man here who says they wouldnt have sex with a 15 year old, or to put it another way, that they have never seen a sexually attractive 15 year old girl is a big fat liar. Blue pill virtue signalling bullshit. Whether or not you act on that is a matter of opporutunity and the law. Obviously dont do it if it's illegal, not worth it.
Only the morons in here knit pick.
[–]CQC36 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yup. I've often made a joke about that to other guys to see how open they are to broaching taboo topics or having the balls to admit that there's plenty of perceptual grey zones when it comes to morality, especially morality that is rooted in legal matters and not anything else.
Fucking a 16 year old in Europe = legal. Fucking a 16 year old in most of USA = pedophile.
Truthfully I think its gross for an older man to get with most 16 year olds simply by virtue that the body is mature but her emotional maturity is not all there. I'd put that cut off at 24ish for the man and 16 for the girl and even then that's a weird relationship. This is where we see the true face of fantasy, fantasy is sexy but reality and logistics and discomfort is not. Of course there are always exceptions, but generally the rule is there because the majority of the time it is exploitative.
The problem is that society will not admit that it's okay for men to find girls that are fully developed physically attractive despite age. To borrow the term from Rollo, the feminine imperative would not want to admit that because then it admits that certain qualities that are developed such as breasts, fat in the right places, etc are valid biological sexual indicators of viability and not "social constructs". The difference is whether you act on that or not. IMO for the times that it can work there are times where there is some unfortunate exploitation, people are not willing to understand that both coexist. This type of taboo quantification of this topic is precisely what got Milo in trouble in regards to his comments about young boys and older men (despite George Takei saying the same shit about getting "molested" by his camp counselor when he was 13 and enjoying it).
[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The 'mental maturity' argument is bullshit. If she spoke a different language you didn't understand, you wouldn't care. You would do what every other animal or pre-language human did, body language, facial expressions, and kino. Boys and girls are fully capable of mentally handling sex at age 15 like other adults when not shamed for it with indoctrination practices. If adult sexual relations are the standard by which we judge child mental competence in sexual relations, then there's no need for rules. Women have 'regret sex', fuck losers, have babies they can't afford, have tons of abortions, fuck guys that will never commit then cry about it. Women don't 'grow up'. This whole 'we're adults thing' is crap. It's something people tell themselves to feel wiser and give themselves status by demarcating people by age, in which they're above the line.
In regards to the age of consents and taboos, I've answered in an earlier comment a month ago...
Original age of consent laws started in the ancient times and was in no uncertain terms gender discriminatory towards women. Age of consent was meant to protect the virginity of unmarried women and thus was set to the day they had their periods + father's discretion. It was to prevent teenage pregnancy. If you got an unmarried girl pregnant, you could be sued by the father. It was increased when pimps started gathering women just above the age of consent for prostitution and prostitution itself was attacked for this reason. In places like India where they practiced child marriage AND didn't wait till she was older to consummate it (fuck her), injuries and death were reported due to the very act of damage from sex or the resulting pregnancy. A shitstorm started and again, the age of consent was raised. Japan today has the highest age of consent laws (21). Even teenagers kissing or touching can be charged with 'lewd relationships' under the law in theory. This overblown ridiculous standards were because of their history of pedophile rings with foreigners and other shit. Then child labor was banned (extending the concept of childhood) and there was the problem when women entered the workforce, devalue the existing men's wages + inflation. Now you need two incomes for a household instead of one and the man needs to make more money to support them all. Th AOC was increased so that they are more likely at an age where they can support themselves if the girl gets pregnant. Then the rising need for higher and higher education because of college degree saturation and technological advancement just to be eligible for a job (especially men) + the two-income/inflation issue stated before. This increased the concept AOC was raised again. The final blow was very different. The 'marriage for love' ideal from the Industrial Revolution and Debeers campaign had finally set in + the 1960 Birth Control Pill. The original purpose of marriage (heirs and family alliances) was lost. Virginity, once a commodity in marriage due to the original purpose, is now completely out of the public awareness (no one knows history of almost anything). This is where the feminism 'everyone is equal' crap started getting pushed and politicians were pressured to make a AOC gender-neutral despite push back. The original purpose is lost AND not apart of the social values. So the law decided to add an illogical taboo + epic punishment. If you think a 15 year old girl with tits is attractive and you pursue it without the intent of marriage, it's no longer just wrong from a civilization perspective (original view), no, NOW you're a 'pedophile monster' who should be ashamed of his biology and shall be put on a sex registry originally made for rapists and prepubescent fuckers. If the government can convince the public to add one more way to jail or fine you, they will add it to the list. Conclusion Virginity/teen pregnancy ==> prostitution Child death ==> bad rep with pedophile rings ==> banning child labor (extending concept of child hood) + women devaluing men's wages/inflation ==> technological advancement/progressive credentialism ==> new concept of relationships for 'love' + commercial advertising campaigns + feminism equality nonsense + birth control pill ==> New taboo to compensate for lack of already existing social values + government's love to jail and fine you.
Original age of consent laws started in the ancient times and was in no uncertain terms gender discriminatory towards women. Age of consent was meant to protect the virginity of unmarried women and thus was set to the day they had their periods + father's discretion. It was to prevent teenage pregnancy. If you got an unmarried girl pregnant, you could be sued by the father.
It was increased when pimps started gathering women just above the age of consent for prostitution and prostitution itself was attacked for this reason.
In places like India where they practiced child marriage AND didn't wait till she was older to consummate it (fuck her), injuries and death were reported due to the very act of damage from sex or the resulting pregnancy. A shitstorm started and again, the age of consent was raised.
Japan today has the highest age of consent laws (21). Even teenagers kissing or touching can be charged with 'lewd relationships' under the law in theory. This overblown ridiculous standards were because of their history of pedophile rings with foreigners and other shit.
Then child labor was banned (extending the concept of childhood) and there was the problem when women entered the workforce, devalue the existing men's wages + inflation. Now you need two incomes for a household instead of one and the man needs to make more money to support them all. Th AOC was increased so that they are more likely at an age where they can support themselves if the girl gets pregnant.
Then the rising need for higher and higher education because of college degree saturation and technological advancement just to be eligible for a job (especially men) + the two-income/inflation issue stated before. This increased the concept AOC was raised again.
The final blow was very different. The 'marriage for love' ideal from the Industrial Revolution and Debeers campaign had finally set in + the 1960 Birth Control Pill. The original purpose of marriage (heirs and family alliances) was lost. Virginity, once a commodity in marriage due to the original purpose, is now completely out of the public awareness (no one knows history of almost anything). This is where the feminism 'everyone is equal' crap started getting pushed and politicians were pressured to make a AOC gender-neutral despite push back.
The original purpose is lost AND not apart of the social values. So the law decided to add an illogical taboo + epic punishment. If you think a 15 year old girl with tits is attractive and you pursue it without the intent of marriage, it's no longer just wrong from a civilization perspective (original view), no, NOW you're a 'pedophile monster' who should be ashamed of his biology and shall be put on a sex registry originally made for rapists and prepubescent fuckers. If the government can convince the public to add one more way to jail or fine you, they will add it to the list.
Conclusion
Virginity/teen pregnancy ==> prostitution Child death ==> bad rep with pedophile rings ==> banning child labor (extending concept of child hood) + women devaluing men's wages/inflation ==> technological advancement/progressive credentialism ==> new concept of relationships for 'love' + commercial advertising campaigns + feminism equality nonsense + birth control pill ==> New taboo to compensate for lack of already existing social values + government's love to jail and fine you.
[–]hawkeaglejesus0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
The feminine imperative restricts the acceptable age a man can fuck a woman for the same reason they restrict prostitution. If you have free market competition, then the pussy of a 32-year old becomes worthless, but if you artificially restrict competition allowing the pussy cartel to pump up the price, all of a sudden even the 32-year old HB5 has men competing for her whereas before she'd have retired to a cat colony years ago.
Honestly it makes no fucking sense that we as a society deem 15-16 year olds mature and responsible enough to drive, which is essentially putting someone's life in their hands, yet we don't consider them mature enough to decide who they can and can't fuck.
[–]fromthecrypt81 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha, this made me laugh, and I completely agree. The pussy cartel can pump up the price due to this feminine imperative restriction. This is why an older man in fact should hook up with very young girls (of legal age of course) from time to time, to stick it to the pussy cartel. If he has just come in a fresh 18 year old pussy, he will not even consider fucking that horrible 32 year old throwing herself at him in desperation in his favorite bar. He can sit there and enjoy his drink without risking an STD from pumping a post-wall CC-bitch, knowing his sweet, barely legal bitch will suck his dick with a smile on her face and call him daddy when he wants to. Fuck the feminine imperative.
[–]pmmedenver2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Based on what I've seen from society, actually caring about your physical apprearance is what determines how attractive you are. There are so many damn fatties on the market that nobody wants. I would fuck a woman 10 years older than me if she looked good and had a cool personality. There are plenty of 18 year olds ive looked at and said 'nope'.
[–]trpthrowaway20032 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
it is the first metric which he filters with.
Agreed, but it is not the only metric, which is my point.
As a grown man above the age of 18, there is a big difference between acknowledging that she is attractive and having sex with a 15 year old.
My choosing not to cross that line, is not blue pill virtue signalling bullshit.
Whether I personally act on it, is not determined by opportunity or the law. It being illegal is not my deciding factor, while it likely is for some.
Nothing I said was knit picking
I literally just pointed out the better way to word the topic, and the flaw in the formula which was delivered as absolute.
[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Because it is the first metric, and youth and beauty are inextrictably linked, it defines the maximum population pool at the first stage.
[–]trpthrowaway2003-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand what you are saying, but what we are agreeing about and what OP presented are not the same.
[–]TheRedPhillip0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/u/dr_warlock where did your senior endorsed tag go? Sometimes I miss your comments and posts because its gone.
[–]SkaTSee0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you may not desire a 15 year old, but that doesn't mean that other 15 year olds don't desire her. This thread isn't "Only 20% of women are desired by you".
[–]trpthrowaway20030 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The age you find desirable depends purely on the man.
Please read what I wrote.
This means that I'm not fucking 15-17 year-olds, while guys in high school probably aren't fucking a larger portion of the spectrum.
[+]I_Need_More_Space_-7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude. Its a template. OP is not trying to pinpoint every deviation in life for you.
And we are not talking about TRP desirable women. What does that even mean? Haha! Don't answer that as the question is rhetorical. We are talking about gene expression and breeding characteristics that man finds appealing. For the sought after 20 % of their lives (their prime), women get 5 fold in ROI from a system that exploits men through taxes, divorce laws, and child support laws.
OP's point is to not get fooled by their ponzi scheme into thinking that the 5 fold ROI is a marker of quality or superiority. It is not. It is a marker of how over-population in a modern world breeds more beta (inferior) males in respect to previous times in history. Beta males were shamed and kept out of the gene pool much more in the past.
Now, the feminist ideology started promoting beta males and shaming alpha males and society foolishly followed, because the men at the helm of the law were inherently weaker and more beta due to their modern amenity filled lives. This is proven by that fact that feminism does not exist in third world countries unless their is Western interference.
Anyhow, the scheme that carries on around us is certainly impressive. How does a weaker sex get more power than the stronger counterpart? Media. If you follow the invention of television, radio, now social media, etc, it follows closely the downward spiral of Natural Law in an inverse relationship. Natural Law dives as media increases.
Your independence and balls dive as well when your media consumption increases. Just look at the millennials. They have grown up with media around them since birth. They embraced it. And now we have a generation of manginas. Haha!
In conclusion, don't pedestalize a creature who has come to power as a by-product of easy, modern living created by man. Its really man's greed which fueled invention that put us here. Couple that with weak law-makers and you have the feminazi cocktail of today. Shaken, not stirred.
[–]trpthrowaway20033 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And we are not talking about TRP desirable women. What does that even mean? Haha! Don't answer that as the question is rhetorical.
I will answer this for you since you admittedly don't know what I mean.
OP's topic and formula would mean that every woman between 15-35 is desirable. If you have read the sidebar, you know that is not true.
I am not interested in a 34-year-old post-wall alpha widowed woman looking to either divorce rape me or get me to raise chad's kid.
I suggested a way to reword the topic, that would better represent in practice what is preached around here.
Also, I didn't disagree with anything else in his post as I will point out in the below quote.
Honestly, I feel like you just looked for a reason to reply to the top comment for attention.
[–]hawkeaglejesus-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we please stop pointless bickering over semantics?
I think most authors give the reader the benefit of the doubt in that you have a functioning brain which is capable of interpreting ideas within their proper context, or at least it should.
The reason most guys are on TRP is because their literal interpretation of everything is what makes them social spergs.
So you understand what the OP meant. You're not saying that his idea is wrong, you just want him to change the words he's using to express that idea. What good does that accomplish if the original idea is exactly the same?
[–]KV-n6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i once did the math and the result was i would marry a couple of tenths of a percent of females. even when it comes to just seks the number was surprisingly low, like OP pointed out just the criterion of age disqualifies about 70% of women, out of the rest 50% are fat and on we go... turns out if women really are attracted to only 20% of guys they are still much less picky than i
[–]CynicalGreek points points points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Your math gave me an instant headache
[–]kenpachitz points points points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
... You know there is a report button that is more useful than bitching about a post you don't like, right?
There is no way to report this for bad math and for posting nothing useful other than something that has already been posted 1000x times. And I am not bitching, I am stating facts. What are you keyboard jockey's version of white knight?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Works like this:
http://i.imgur.com/pVQP9Yn.jpg
[–]AutisticusMaximus1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What are those numbers referring to?
[–]Endorsed Contributorsqerl[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude did a social experiment by creating 10 accounts on OKCupid. 5 female profiles in ascending levels of attractiveness 5 dudes doing the same. The numbers are the messages received over the course of a week.
[–]AutisticusMaximus0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I expected something along those lines. Thank you.
[–]yomo865 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very nice post. Many men just see how well the 'alphas' doing when they screw the hot cheerleader but many men - espacially high caliber men - reject anything over the age of 30.
The grass is always greener. And a lot of anger phasers rationalize their still persisting shortcomings with every women can find dick.
Running around with my wallet open I can find commitment as easy as a woman can find dick. Quality is key.
The world simply is not fair - at least as men we get a chance to remake ourselfs without an attached time limit.
[–]Elodrian4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
See Japan, Korea:
"Christmas Cakes"; no one wants them after the 25th.
[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Now imagine you live in the US where 70% of women are overweight (40% obese).
You're left with 30% of 20% = 6% of women who are slim and desirable.
[–]RedPilledGodEmperor4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I live in the US and it's freaking terrifying to think about it. Not just is the obesity rate climbing, but even the freaking land whales are still picky when it comes to men. This is why you have many men going MGTOW. they realize that jumping through a lot of hoops to get a decent looking woman, isn't worth it for them. Many times, they would just be better off paging for sex, as bad as it sounds.
[–]smokecheck19760 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Land whales are not picky. Not, at all. They are mostly ignored. There are considerations that go along with it. I mean, she will know you are lying if you tell her how hot she is, but if you tell her you like big boobs, or she has nice eyes, or you like her smile, that usually works fairly well. Most of them know they have to bring their "A" game to the bedroom to and can give a blowjob that most of the skinny ones won't. YMMV.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet how many of these women are going without cock? Hardly any. The thirst is real.
[–]smokecheck19764 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL!
Are you aware of the term GIGO? Because that is what you have here. In the old days when this meant Garbage In/Garbage Out. You started with false/make believe data and then assumed that you could present good information with it.
I will happily have fun with a 40 year old that is in shape over a sloppy looking 24.
[–]francisco_DANKonia1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How did I never think of this? The truth is, it is worse than 20% and there are many eligible men.We might be around 3 desireable en per desireable woman at any time
[–]RedTenet2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'd say a woman's prime years would be 18 to nearing 30.
Women can still be desired out of that time period; but on the sexual marketplace they are only valuable for about 20% of their lives - though it all depends on the guy.
Bitches will still have the betas falling for them when they're 40.
[–]fetchyminx1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But you wouldn't have alphas falling for you after the age of 25
[–]RedTenet1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, because the alphas are fucking the new wave of 20s.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
ITT: autists complaining about math
Guys. Seriously. Pretty fuckin clear he's taking a 'generalization' approach for a reason.
[–]AstralAeonSoul0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do not place women on a pedestal. If you do, they can only look down on you.
[–]fuxdpus0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great post. This is very true. For the top 20% of men, women are disposable. They can just keep banging the next batch of young women coming on the legal market.
The ones who can't get laid turn to other options, like jerking off to porn and playing videogames. When women start to leave the top 20%, they may be ready to settle for a beta. But Billy Beta may not even want them anymore, cause he has his porn and his videogames.
That's probably why you have this "no fap" movement and people saying porn is bad for your brain.
[–]AllahHatesFags0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Many women are undesirable for 100% of their lives, like ham planets.
[–]tuxidomasx0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some guy will always desire a girl, no matter how [XYZ] she is.
[–]THEDICKDEALER0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Very insightful yet betas choose to live under the blue
[–]ialdabaoth8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Meta: I think it would be a good idea if this subreddit's policy officially discouraged messages like these.
They contribute nothing positive to the discussion. If we're going to pat ourselves or each other on the back (or tear each other down), we should at least have some specific insight to contribute to the topic set by the original post. Otherwise we're just playing the monkey game of "look at me! I agree!" or "look at me! I disagree!"
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You can understand all of what we have in here, act as alpha as you think you can, but unless you have the traits, mindset, and thought process of an alpha, you can't be one. You can learn to think that way, but it's far more than what you think it is.
Most think it's the tall guys, but most of them are beta as fuck. It has no relevance. Same with money. Beta losers can have a dgaf attitude, the drug addicts sure as fuck do. No beta is a competent leader without lots of training. The alpha traits that make a difference create what appears to be natural leaders. People naturally follow them, nobody naturally follows betas.
If you're not the leader of your group of friends, the one everyone defers to, the one who takes off on an adventure while the rest follow along, you're not an alpha. Don't worry, you can still get laid and have fun, you can mimic those traits. Less than 20% of men are born are born with the traits. The rest are born to be followers. It's how it is.
[–]trpthrowaway20030 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you're not the leader of your group of friends, the one everyone defers to, the one who takes off on an adventure while the rest follow along, you're not an alpha.
I feel like this comes down to fear.
Either fear of judgment of your activity or fear that people won't follow.
[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fear is one aspect. It's a mixture of many things.
[–]THEDICKDEALER0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude I dont care what your speaking about. I plan to make my money and leave this country please keep your useless opinion to a minimum
[–]Bandos15-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you think you can never become a real alpha if you are not 'born' one?
[–]I_Need_More_Space_-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very clean post. It wasn't a bunch of fluff with a few nuggets of knowledge. Instead, bravo on the efficient post.
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