Today a thread titled "Male identity and lifting - Don’t fall for the rat race" shot to the top of the subreddit. The central message of it was a tirade against "unrealistic beauty standards", encouragement to do "what makes you happy" and to avoid acting based on "feelings of inadequacy" or a desire to compete.
In short, with only a few changes, it would have fit perfectly well on page 12 of Cosmo, Jezebel or some other bullshit female magazine. Right next to articles about how curvy is beautiful, video games push "unrealistic beauty standards" and you should "do what makes you happy" such as riding the CC past your eggs' expiration date (just freeze them!)
That post did not shoot up to the top of TRP because it was packed with wisdom and sound advice. The only kernel of truth it contained is that people in bodybuilding photoshoots are dehydrated, probably on PDEs and certainly photoshopped - something that is so painfully obvious and common knowledge I doubt anyone needed telling.
No, it shot up to the top of TRP because it provided hundreds of people with exactly what they wanted to hear: justification for not facing uncomfortable realities and not doing painful hard work, all the while feeling smugly superior to the dumb deceived meatheads killing themselves in the gym, the poor bastards. In short, because it was a great piece of male hamstering.
Fuck your male hamstering
Male hamstering is self-deception designed to please and protect the ego. Like all deceptions, destroying it starts with pointing out where it's pitifully false, so I'll do just that.
"Don't become obsessed with the gym!"
Do you seriously think that any significant number of men have a problem because they feel inadequate compared to him? what bullshit.
The vast majority of men have a problem because they are fatasses. Look at the data: you will scarcely find a developed country where overweight people don't make up around 3/4ths of the population. And don't think that the remaining 1/4th is made up of fit people either: the vast majority of those not overweight aren't in any kind of enviable shape.
So where does that leave us? certainly not with a population of obsessed gym bros who need to be told to calm down a little. All the opposite: it leaves us with a population of people that need to be shamed into getting off their fat lazy asses and hitting the gym. The boogeyman of thinking you aren't big enough is something that could potentially apply only to the tiny slice of the population that is any big to begin with.
By the way: I don't know what gym the author of that post frequented, but in mine none of the big guys have ever expressed any serious feeling of inadequacy because they aren't freak beasts with delts larger than their heads. When you've put in all the hard work it takes to get to a reasonable level of 'big', you realize how much more effort it would take to reach competitive levels, and most people are happy with already being in the top 5% of males by physique.
"Do what makes you happy!"
The above is the biggest piece of shit advice that has wormed its way into this subreddit, literal feel-good bullshit about which we used to have stickies. "What makes you happy" is a shit target to shoot for. Most people are "happy" being barely cognizant vegetables attached to their entertainment, getting duty sex twice a month from their nagging fat LTRs, and going through life without thinking or worrying too much about anything. It's a safe evolutionary strategy that our brains are programmed to follow when the lack of external stresses doesn't require extra work. If you're fed, rested and have managed to squirt out a kid or two, as far as your genes are concerned you've done your job.
Therefore, whenever someone advises a population of recovering betas to "just do what makes you happy", what they're actually doing is justifying and enabling their beta mentality, reframing their unsatisfying and mediocre situation as something to be "happy" about because "you wouldn't want to mindlessly follow along with the herd, would you?"
Of course here the "herd" is painted as the hypothetical hordes of men who are filling the gyms with huffs and puffs and sweat and anabolic steroids, chasing a superhuman physique they'll never achieve. In short, it's another rhetorical device with no basis in reality. People who even hit the gym are a small minority of the population, of which those doing serious bodybuilding are another small minority. The actual herd is the billions of betas living their lives in a frightened stupor, going along with whatever society tells them and eventually getting something that's "good enough", which might just be a shit deal but they're way too passive and emasculated to do anything about it.
Here we see again the male hamster at work: by creating an entirely fictional danger ("you're just following a plan for happiness dictated by someone else!"), it actually just encourages betas to not change anything about their lives which, ironically, is precisely a plan for "happiness" dictated by someone else.
"Don't be too competitive!"
The cherry on top of this shit cake are the various warnings about being too competitive, avoiding the "rat race" and so on.
Pop-TRP has become really enamored with this line of thinking, because it removes external poinst of reference and thus enables people to ignore their lack of progress, since they themselves are the measure of such progress. "Don't do it to be better than some other guy" quickly becomes "ignore the fact that you're in a pitiful situation, you wouldn't want to be like those fools who bust their asses just to be better than others, would you?"
Once again we see the same rhetoric as before at work: a hypothetical danger, "being too competitive", is waved in front of the faux-scared horde of betas, providing them with an immediate rationalization for why they're justified in not bettering themselves in any real way. Just as before, the rhetoric has no point of contact with reality: we do not live in a society of excessively competitive men, we live in a society of men who are by and large extremely afraid of competition, a society that from the cradle makes out competition (and its attendant sins of winning and losing) to be a fearsome, primitive and undesirable activity. There are very few people who are too competitive and need to calm down; for the vast majority of men, the problem is precisely that they're too scared of competition and, if anything, they should be encouraged to seek it out.
Competition is at the very core of masculinity. I mean that literally: nearly all of our secondary sexual characteristics exist to aid us in sexual competition against other males. Hell, our dicks are designed to scoop out the semen of our sexual rivals from the adventurous vaginas of the tribe's women. Wanting to be superior to other men is an instinct that should be cultivated and encouraged, precisely because it's so suppressed nowadays. The issue of "overshooting" and ending up being too competitive is largely hypothetical: when you've started competing in any arena and have seen what it takes, I bet you you'll see how much work it would take to get to the next level, and that you'll be perfectly capable of rationally assessing if it's worth it to you.
A word on lip service
I know what a portion of readers will say: "but the post said that being muscular will always be attractive! you're missing the point!"
No, I'm not. Because here we're not dealing with a courtroom argument or a philosophical debate, we're dealing with persuasion: writing posts that are read by thousands of men and have an effect on how they think and behave. Persuasion cares very little for tiny contrasting details that should allegedly reframe the entire argument: the core message is what will be remembered and have an effect. Here, the core message was "work less, be happy with what you are, avoid pain".
In fact, paying lip service to the truth is a key component of deception. It serves to disarm rational opposition by seemingly satisfying it: "of course being muscular is desirable, and now that I've said it you can refer to the nine paragraphs above this one that provide you with all the reasons you need to not get muscular". It doesn't matter what the content of that sentence logically is: the "being muscular is desirable" lip service has a tiny emotional and rhetorical value compared to the mountain of male hamstering before it.
So no, the fact that the post (and others like it) paid lip service to core TRP concepts doesn't improve the situation any. People pay lip service to what they know is the truth all the time, and then come up with rationalization for why they can avoid following said truth. It's how self-deception normally works: lip service doesn't stop it, it's a part of it.
tl;dr
Lift: go to the gym and lift. When you have a top 5% physique you may start worrying about setting realistic expectations, but by that point I bet you the iron will have taught you just how hard it is to make gains, and you'll likely not have any real problem accepting that you'll never make a bodybuilding magazine cover, nor will that bum you out. It's only people who don't even lift that "fear" for gym bros: the oldest excuse in the book for not lifting is precisely "I don't want to become an obsessed meathead".
Thank you. You said everything I was thinking when I read that post. I have no idea how that post made it so successfully on here. That’s straight blue pill nonsense. And even some blue pills advocate lifting.
This whole community is based on bettering yourself as a man. So to see a post complaining about the negative effects lifting has on men on here was the last thing I would ever expect.
If you don’t want to achieve a masculine, muscular physique that you’re proud of, that’s on you. The rest of us are happily looking forward to our next chest day as we prep our meals for the week.
On top of this, anyone who has every reached a great physique knows how much their quality of life has improved. The respect, status, discipline, and social benefits from lifting are literally rivaled by nothing except celebrity fame.
What a time to be alive when TRP has a post like that upvoted. Confirming what we already knew; a few of us will put in the work, most of us will read it.. feel good for a couple minutes and not change a damn thing.
I cannot fathom how "you don't need to lift" is something that anyone believes.
Even before I became aware of lifting as a form of advice, I knew it was something that was beneficial to me. In high school, I admired the fuck out of all the guys who lifted. I wanted to do that. I knew its affects it had on the body. I knew it could only lead to good things. But at the time I just could not find the mental strength to exert myself physically in front of others at the gym. And yet, I was jealous of the football players because they had free access to the weight room.
This was mostly because whenever I exerted myself physically in gym class, it wouldn't work out the way I hoped it would. So I allowed the fear of trying hinder me. I was trapped. Until I decided I wasn't anymore, and went out and tried. I spent many nights at the gym alone, because I had chosen a time when I knew nobody was there to see me fail.
But that's the thing about the gym. You can't fail. And you learn that quickly. You can suffer from fuckarounditis and dick around while you're there, but you can't fail. Just by walking into the gym and stepping under the iron bar, you're already making steps to success. When you realize that the gym isn't a place of failure like high school may have lead you to believe, that is when your whole world changes. It becomes a tool where you can only better yourself. You can only get stronger.
The gym has become a cornerstone in my life. I go about my day looking forward to when its time to go to the gym. Its become my primary hobby. I sometimes go multiple times a day. I hate rest days because they are days I'm not in the gym. Not even because I trick myself into believing that you build muscle in the gym. I know better, obviously. But because I enjoy lifting. It's fun. It's a stress reliever. It's an anger burner.
There's also such a liberation when you reflect back to before you lifted to what you see in the mirror now. Instead of seeing your flaws, your fat, your lack of definition, your lack of any strength, you see your room for improvement. Instead of seeing the fat, you see lagging muscle and opportunity. The shift from going to the gym because you want to look better to structuring your workout around the fact that you noticed your delts aren't where you want them to be is something that's honestly something really exciting to me.
Anyway, I'm going on and on now. I just love lifting. I just wish I would have followed my desires earlier and just went to the fucking gym. That said, I'm actually considering getting into the fitness field as a career because of how I feel about it.
Man, this. I remember being in high school admiring those guys, myself. Both of my brothers and my dad have always played football, and were big dudes. I remember one particular time we were all together, and they were getting compliments, and then that person looked at me and said "when are you going to stop being skinny and lift like your brothers and dad" always stuck with me, but i couldnt find the mental strength to stay going to the gym.
I'd go for a few days and then stop. It wasn't until my LTR cheated on me i finally said FUCK this. I'm gonna get my ass in the gym and be the biggest baddest dude on the block. Never stopped since then, and of course she isnt the reason I continue to go to the gym.
It's a passion, it's more than just a hobby. Going through boot camp for 2 months and not being able to lift was the hardest part of it for me. I remember waking up in the middle of the night and lifting one side of me bed to do shrugs, and push-ups and sit ups.
Now, my current LTR calls me "Hulk".
Go lift, and grow. Aint you tired of bein average. My rant for the day.
This is exactly what happened to me, minus getting into the fitness field haha, but you hit my feelings on the head. I wish I would've started sooner but I'm glad I ever started at all, hitting the gym is my favorite part of my day. And while I'm certainly not the biggest dude in the gym, all the meatheads and cross fit animals respect me for being there because they know after a few more years I'll be exactly where they are now. It's a matter of dedication more than anything.
How old are you btw? Out of curiosity and not condescention
Don't answer this unless you're on a throwaway.
No offense to you, Hurrapelle, but doxxing happens.
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How should one get started with lifting?
By going to the gym and moving heavy weights.
go to the fitness subreddit and read the sidebar and do the beginner workouts when you feel you're ready.
If your just starting to lift for the first time do higher reps lower wait for awhile. Your muscles adapt relatively quickly to stress (about 2 weeks) but your tendons, ligaments, and bones take much longer (around 3-4 times as long). If you're a true newb do your research and pay attention to the results. Once you start going for a bit "experts" will come out of the woodwork to "tell you how it's done". Most of these guys are full of bullshit. Don't listen to any of them unless they look like an olympian. Even then, take it with a grain of salt and back everything up with your own research. Bodybuilding.com is a great place to start and they have an amazing youtube channel. Also, pay attention to form and listen to your body! The right kind of pain=good, sharp joint pain=bad. If you find someone at the gym you trust, just ask a question. Most guys only look like assholes. Most importantly start slow. Once you've been at it for a year or two consistently you can think about seriously ratcheting up the intensity factor.
Start today, do 10 x pushups, squats, sit ups and pull ups. everyday add one extra rep. Check online for good form.
Doesn't matter how you start, just start
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not completely true. practicing compound lifts with just the bar has better efficiency. once you master form start adding weight, difficult to do with bodyweight movements and as a result it minimally carries over.
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Don't forget some folks are medically restricted... I'd love to pack on muscle mass but thanks to something I was born with, I have to avoid all strenuous and isometric activities, including contact sports. They don't even recommend light jogging. As a result I'm 6'6" and 172lb lol.
How did it make it? Easy, we have a whole shit load of new people, they haven't read the sidebar, they hear that kind of drivel shouted at them from everywhere, and they don't want to do what is hard. Massive shit test though, and you know some loser will listen to it and still not get laid. Op seems to be a feminist coming in here with that shit, and these new fucks can't see the bullshit for what it is.
I was going to write something to the effect of what G said, but was interrupted by a blowjob and forgot about it. All I got done in there was a diatribe about porn. That and I write too many book length posts. G summed it up nice.
It's sad when the reverse happens and a solid gold post on New gets buried alive because the newbs read it first and didn't approve. But as long as you keep yourself objective when reading any content here you'll find the shit that sticks. I trust the comments/opinions by the Endorsed guys more than the total upvotes on the post to find what's worth taking in.
I do this as well, just don't fall into the trap of just blindly following.
Still strive to form your own opinions about the content, don't just parrot what the EC's say.
Reading the sidebar is our basic test of competence, and all of these new posters are failing hard.
I have though.
This sub is filled with lazy fucking asshats who cannot even be bothered to read the sidebar and follow the one simple advice: Go fucking lift you retard! (Or go and train MMA if you prefer that).
I am mainly occupied with answering posts over at askTRP and at least 50% can be answered with: Do what you are told. Don't be lazy. Start doing.
But they all do not want to listen. It means getting out of the comfort zone and they desperately do not want it, so they grasp every tiny straw they can find and which tells them that they do not have to put in the necessary work.
I don't even mind about that. People are gonna people. Fuck those loosers who will never make it. It is called the top 5% for a reason: Not everybody can make it and not everybody should as well.
What I really despise of though is guys like hte OP of the original thread that Petronius is referring to, who are coming here to try and persuade other people to follow their pathetic lifestyle. Fucking crab bucket mentality.
I've also observed a recent influx of lazy cheetoh fingered fatties from MGTOW who are trying to pull people over to their side and follow their advice on how to live a pthetic and shitty life.
The reason is simple: It's the mindset of a female. I don't want to climb to the top. Bring the top down to me.
Fuck them. No seriously. Fuck all of them. I hope they all die a virgin from some coronary heart disease in their late 30s so the human genepool gets cleansed a little bit.
What advice to you have for someone with a busted shoulder? I never properly recovered from surgery and I often have shoulder pain even from lifting relatively light objects at work. I don't think I can "just lift bro", because the pain gets really bad. But skinny doesn't get girls.
On another note, I notice that a lot of MGTOWs follow a "black pill" philosophy. They generally believe that the world is messed up beyond their control, so instead of trying to improve it they try to distance themselves from society and focus on hedonism. It's not the path you want to go down. Our ancestors fought from freedom in more desperate conditions, we can make our own impact too.
What exactly is wrong with you shoulder? I injured my knee freshman, dislocated it and tore a ligament completely through. Never got surgery. For about a year I (foolishly) never hit legs when i started lifting. Now im back squatting heavy again.
I'd give it some time to rest. In that meantime, hit Legs. anything that doesnt put stress on your shoulder.
It's been a couple years now, still hurts from light activity. I had surgery to remove a lump that grew after a longboarding accident, and I've had pain ever since there. Not sure if it's ever going to be back to normal, but I want to know if there's any arm excercises that don't impact the shoulder.
I do tons of cardio to stay in shape, and I've started kayaking despite the pain. Realistically though, women look at the upper body. Having big legs doesn't help me much.
I hurt my back at the beginning of the year (slipped on some stone stairs in the rain in the jungle while traveling and broke a rib + messed up the muscles under my scapula) and took a break to let it heal. It never healed until I went back to lifting, though I would definitely recommend you slowly work your way up. I started out at maybe half what I could do before the injury and even specifically worked those muscles with lighter weight to get them back in shape. Within a month my back was finally feeling back to normal, and in two months I was setting PRs again. Same goes for every other major muscle injury I've had.
Take a break, deload, and work your way back up. That's essentially what any form of PT does anyway.
Yeah bro really look into resistance bands and make sure to avoid upright rows. I am assuming you have computer posture as well. Like most, texting neck etc.
Focus on low impact and stress on joints exercises. You can lift but make sure you are warming up, mobilizing and going slow. Don't rush it focus on blood flow and ample anti inflammatories to ensure you can heal optimally.
You will get better over time. Just remember it gets harder as you get older. Start now because "In this Moment" this is the youngest you will ever be.
Have you visited a physical therapists (in the last month, not years ago) to look at it and get a tailored program to improve your shoulder?
Just with that it can probably improve a ton.
I don't have insurance at work so I can't afford to see one
It must be though going trough that. What else have you tried?
I am not a therapist. What about bodyweight fitness?
I am not against MGTOW per se. The original idea is pretty decent and although I don't identify myself as one, you could argue that my lifestyle resembles that of a man going his own way.
What I despise of though is the idea of using it as a strawman in order to he able to stay the lazy asshat you are. That is not MGTOW.
A man will always keep improving himself and his body. Already the bible knows that a healthy body houses a healthy mind.
Let aside that your motivation ideally is always drawn from the wish to become better, not from wanting to please women.
As long as you keep doing it, any motivation is good though.
Look into stem cells. Also, check out shoulder testimonials for post op.
Dan Blizerian had it done in Mexico and was boxing after 3 weeks fuck surgery.
Just met a 77 year old guy at the gym that had it done on his knee 5 years ago(in the states). No knee pain or back pain whatsoever. Now, considering getting the other knee done as well. Yes, he lifts too. He hasn't given up and is still a great guy.
TBH, lifting never did anything for me. There are some things, like an unattractive face, that one cannot overcome. However, long before I found TRP, I started lifting like a mad man. And it was totally worth it for two reasons.
First, I got to look as good as I possibly could. At least I didn't have to go through life wondering what could have been.
Second, it fucking feels great. Every now and then I have to take a week off due to some injury and I never feel anywhere as good as after I lift. So even if you've realized you have some insurmountable problem that will always keep you dating below 5s, just resolve to do it for yourself.
Used up old whores with more mileage than the Mars Rover get an office procedure and 6 weeks later they star as the lust object in a movie. Plastic surgery can work wonders so yes, an unattractive face can be "overcome." Save up some of that ugly money and go see a doctor.
Don't get bitter cuz some virgins united. Nothing you can do about it so just move on buddy. I mean if these losers don't change they prob will die at a young age anyways. You can't save people from themselves.
There are so many bluepill dudes on here.
A lot of this is generational, the result of being raised to embrace mediocrity: participation trophies, cheat codes and other self esteem boosting shortcuts.
Poor babies. Here's what happens when you grind to look good. Today I was shopping in Home Depot when I passed by a couple in the paint section, an attractive woman with a skinny fat schlub she was clearly bossing around.
As I passed by and looked back, the woman turned around, locked eyes with me then looked me up and down ...you know, that "may I suck your cock now sir" look. I looked at the poor guy and he kind of meekly glanced over then looked down ... defeat personified.
The buttercups who upvoted the weak-ass "rat race" post will never know what it's like to be on my side of today's encounter at Home Depot.
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Fatties and skinnies get the most benefit from going to the gym so I think they see some "results" in just a few weeks (Pro Tip: It's the T- I think chicks can smell it).
A lot of content on this sub has gone down recently. I think its because of summer reddit but who knows really. Nice to see some of the older guys still posting regularly.
I think the point was to achieve a masculine, muscular physique for yourself rather than other people, no? I know a major emphasis on here is sexual strategy but there's contradictions when people are doing things for women's approval basically (and possibly other men). Without a doubt lifting has a huge benefit, so no lifting is a huge shame anyway.
As long as I can get pussy without lifting, you ain't gonna catch me within a 100 miles of the gym. $$$ is all you need brother. Get you a muhhfucking cheeseburger, a nice drink, and a desert and let that bitch give you head while you pig out. Otherwise, you need to learn how to be a boss. If she ain't blowing you while you playing video games, you done fucked up.
OP explained it (and you were supposedly thinking it).
In the thread you're referring to: Guys not getting laid endorsing the idea that getting laid isn't that important, weak males treating their suffering by convincing themselves that their weakness doesn't exist or isn't important. Proletariat / class resentment / collectivism / hamstering / mental gymnastics.
This is what slave morality is. It's the morality of weak losers who redefine reality to fit their station in life: Power is bad, meekness and humility is good. It's emotionally comforting for weak people. It's useless and pathetic for powerful people.
This is why many fat people embrace fat-acceptance instead of losing weight. Hot girls don't give a shit about fat acceptance. It's laughable and pathetic to them. In the same way, this "getting laid isn't everything bro" bullshit is laughable and pathetic to me, because I get laid like clockwork. I actually have to create goals to not over-indulge in sex. If this sounds arrogant and offends you, you're experiencing resentment and jealousy, and you're a bitch.
I was raised in a cult and something we did constantly was "testify" that our beliefs were true. We had to keep telling ourselves we were right because the bullshit wouldn't stick unless we did. Why do you think some redditors here so eagerly embrace the idea that women are shit and aren't worth the effort? Because it makes them feel better. Why do you think they need to repeat it so often? Because it's bullshit and it doesn't saturate into the mind on its own--it doesn't work and integrate into your life and bring happiness. It's denial of reality. The false belief must be constantly reinforced.
Women are fucking awesome. Getting laid any time you want is fucking awesome. I learned how to get laid by learning sexual strategy and female nature pure and simple, not by getting a better social life. In fact, the inverse happened. I gained confidence with women and sex and then used that confidence to build a better social circle.
If you're not getting laid, you're not going to be a good friend. I do not want a guy friend who isn't getting laid. Because that guy friend is a loser who can't execute his biological purpose and imperative. He's a biological failure.
If you're not getting laid, you are a biological failure.
Face the unalterable fact that you want unlimited amounts of sex with attractive females and take the necessary steps to get it. This insecurity-pampering empowerment bullshit is toxic.
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You can't see this as easily as I can because you're OP but your post has been removed, probably due to automoderator from excessive reports. I'd PM mods to get it re-instated.
/u/SLMC1, you have shown a strong and consistent understanding of Red Pill principles, as well as a genuine desire to pass on that knowledge to the less-experienced knuckleheads in this community.
Thank you for your contributions to this sub. I am hereby endorsing you.
I laughed when I read about the limiting sex part! I know exactly what you mean. I have to adjust my schedule because of that all the time. I was with 3 different girls over the last 3 days and I decided to not even leave my house today just because I don't want to accidentally meet another woman today.
Sometimes I'll turn my phone off because they are messaging me so much. (I only talk about logistics on the phone, except for with my main chick.)
Getting laid all the time feels amazing. I wake up every day happy. My friends make fun of me for getting laid so much. My family asks me how the man-whoring is going when they see me. People tell me I should write a book about my life.
A year and a half ago I was feeling lower than snake shit. I lost my dad and my LTR of 6 years left me on the morning of my mother's surgery for a brain tumor. I got laid off from a really good job. I gained about 40 lbs because of the depression. This all happened in the span of about 3 months, but the weight gain was more of a gradual thing.
I could have given up. I actually had a gun to my head at one point last year. It was almost too much for me to handle. But I made a deal with myself. I had discovered TRP only days before. I decided to improve myself, although I felt like dying. I knew that there would be an end to the pain one day, and that if I had improved myself while I suffered, my life would be in amazing shape when I found happiness again.
I went to the gym. I watched my belly shrink. I watched my arms grow. It gave me hope. I had hope that one day I would be sitting on the toilet, taking a massive protein shit, and writing this exact comment. I went out and grabbed my happiness, and my life is amazing. Thank you TRP.
Fuckin' A man... you're a brother from another mother.
Lost one parent, lost a job, other parent diagnosed w/ terminal cancer and the GF walks out... All in the same month. We walked a similar path, through darkness and enlightenment. Sounds like you're kicking ass and living life on your terms... Just the way it should be.
Rock on buddy...
Wow. I thought I was the only one who went through times that shitty.
A man is forged by the defining response to shitty times. The immediate depression from loss is normal. The growth born from those shitty times is not. You didn't choose those events, but you did choose to define yourself.
Also, viewing life events through the TRP lens gives you the ability to see human behaviour dynamics - even our own. Allowing emotions to define you is to accept victimhood as a way of life. Choosing growth and improvement, especially when the deck is stacked against you, is a test of fortitude and perseverance. This is the way of men and our journey.
Great success story. Keep those gains and continue to build toward your future. You are the complete opposite of your username.
Way to go bro. I love seeing comments like this.
And I love the support. People who are successful want others to be successful.
I had to read this part thrice lol
bummer!
Otherwise, Good on you mate, keep it up
This right here is how you know that you swallowed the pill, and what many of the new people who come here fail to understand. You don't delude yourself into thinking that women aren't awesome. You aren't spiteful toward them. You enjoy them. That's how it should be.
There's such a shift in the views of women between the main sub and over at asktrp, where the majority of the guys there are still projecting their resentment towards them for not fucking them.
This post is honestly so refreshing. Really glad you made it. I definitely think you should expand on it and make a thread on it, because frankly I'm tired of the negative views of women.
The anger phase is a rough one.
I never had an anger phase, because I had a clue in what was going on around me growing up. It just seemed like what the Pill was teaching as mostly common sense in regards to the female sexual strategy and laws of attraction.
The only anger phase I had was at myself, for not understanding sooner that masculine features are attractive to women.
That is surprisingly true. It's like TRP simply organizes the knowledge you already had, and now the veil has been pulled. There's been a couple of times that some friends came to some red pilled realizations, and I proceeded to try and take 'em through the rabbit hole. They know it's true, but they're blinded by anger, and ultimately reject it
Seconded, need more boxcars. +1
Thank you for that comment. The part about sex being a stepping stone to a better social circle was a specially important part. In theory I've absorbed a decent ammount of the pill, and more and more I'm "seeing through the matrix". It's now easy to see patterns in people's behaviors. Haven't started plating or anything like that though. I'm in what you might call a hardcore monk mode right now, as I'm studying for an important test, and I might not have the opportunity to study 24/7 again, so I'm pretty isolated. Couple that with nofap and I'm fucking crazy for some chicks - but I always wonder if taking time off studying to get pussy is worth it, precisely at this moment in my life. Food for thought.
I've come to notice that those with the best social lives tend to bang the most chicks, but I never knew whether they banged chicks because they were good at socializing or whether the opposite was true. From a personal perspective, I think you hit the nail in the head. As much as I've come to have a much better understanding of social dynamics, the lack of freely available sex hurts my social skills pretty bad. Tried distancing myself from losers I used to hang out with - figured it would be better to work hard on myself first and then work on the social circle, if I were to reverse that order the following period of monk mode might lose me some friends
Sounds like NoFap coupled with not pursuing women might be a good strategy to transmute your energy temporarily to focus on this test--I assume it's an important one. Muhammad Ali would abstain from sex for 10 days or so prior to a fight, for example. Don't forget meditation and rigorous exercise to regulate that anxious primal fuck-bitch-kill-men energy that nofap can give.
Still, you should be low-key approaching and flirting at-opportunity pretty much forever and always. Those skills are hard to maintain without using them and it can take a long time to regain them. Just my two cents.
Thanks for your reply. Yeah "anxious primal fuck-bitch-kill-men energy" perfectly translates it. It's like this feeling from the gut trying to bend your will. I've noticed my exercise has become more intensive recently, and I must train every day. If instead I only do it, say 3 times a week, a shit load of anxiety builds up. I guess I'm seeing first hand the problem dodging drug fapping is.
I agree I should be low-key approaching, but since I need to start from zero it makes me think whether to start right now. I know that's hamstering, but I figured it would be better to monk properly now so later on I don't have to go back at it. Perhaps I'm off mark.
Plus, if I ace that test I'll move to a much bigger city, and networking will become really important. I live in a small town with virtually zero opportunities in my field, so I figured I should focus on stuff I can do on my own for now, and if I succeed and move to that new town, then I put a big spotlight on acquiring social skills, because it will benefit my career as well(and I have to make the most out of my time in that new city to make sure I stay there - a foreigner going to the US can get expensive pretty quickly, have to be really effective in harvesting opportunities)
My advice for when you move to a big city is to move into a house full of guys rather than your own apartment. The constant exposure to some degree of social activity at home will force you to develop social skills--not to mention the vastly greater access to other people, parties, girls, that will ideally arise from having roommates.
Basically my entire life now--girlfriend, job, friends--came into being through connections I made with roommates when I moved out of my studio apartment and into a house with good roommates.
How do you find good roommates? Would you define that as living in a frat house?
Why can't this same aggressiveness and vigor be applied to other areas? What if a dude wants to be the best... idk, scientist in the world? Is that worse than going to the gym all the time and wanting to have as much sex as possible?
Also, if you're getting laid a lot and not actually producing offspring, isn't it meaningless in terms of biology?
Why is that an either/or? Proper application of TRP reduces time/energy spent on women. It makes the process of getting laid as efficient as taking a shit. Can you imagine if taking a shit involved as much time and energy as it takes for a beta to get laid?
I lift (heavy, very short breaks) for 15 min EOD and that is enough to benefit me significantly.
Who are you describing? You should be having sex as often as you want sex. I normally go 48-72 hrs between sex because I have other things to do.
I had the wrong impression that this subreddit was about improving general male confidence. I understand now that it's for getting laid as efficiently as possible. That's cool, too.
They're so intertwined that for practical purposes they're the same thing--you can't talk about one without talking about the other.
I think confidence and sex can be intertwined, but aren't necessarily so. We've all heard of low-confidence women who go out and sleep around, surely there are men who do the same, right? Sex and confidence are correlated, not causal, because different people have different natural sex drives and different baseline confidence levels.
IMO, it would be better for the general male sex for a subreddit to promote confidence and self improvement primarily. Sex will emerge naturally from that at whatever rate each man is interested in it.
If I'm a sex-once-a-month kind of person, I should still strive to be confident, stand up for myself, be bold, assertive, etc. but why the focus on sex?
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." It's right there on the sidebar you didn't read.
There are neurotransmitters activated by "getting laid" that are really difficult or illegal to activate in an easier way.
If you think that a healthy sex life without offspring is "meaningless" - well, have fun with MGTOW and Incel.
Okay, this comment made sense. Thank you
Some dude said we can't get happiness from women and that this was a self improvement forum. He didn't like that I told him to try to go get laid instead of trying to justify his point of view to me. He told me I was blue pill for saying a man should try to fuck a lot of women.
This deserves its own thread. The Problem With MGTOW or something.
Some Greek dude wrote about Natural Slave Theory that essentially people are divided between natural slaves and free people (men) and that Natural Slaves are parasitic followers who require Masters to command them.
Why does that sound so much like the average voter today?
Hence Jefferson writing into the American constitution voting restrictions which tried to ensure that those most likely to be Masters (intelligence/empathy, testosterone, social status) could influence governance.
While I do agree with your point that you can never truly grow unless you accept the absolute truth no matter how uncomfortable, try and avoid using your own success as an example in posts. Since you can't prove it its unhelpful and makes us look bad. EDIT : Make this comment its own thread!
Welcome to TRP.
You've just asked me to hide certain truths because they're politically incorrect or appear distasteful to people who don't acknowledge the right of men to distribute information conducive to their well-being.
If you think trying to appease or cower to ideological forces outside of TRP will somehow benefit TRP, you have not learned that our detractors hate free, intelligent, self-interested men and will do everything in their power to psychologically castrate them.
You're also still living in permission land (you're still psychologically a child looking for approval and permission) rather than say-whatever-the-fuck-you-think land, which is more fun.
There is no better example than someone speaking from first-hand experience.
Actually, the inverse. Postulating and posting from a position of no experience is the issue.
Also, who cares how we look.
Let's let the mods take care of policing the forum, and just focus ourselves on learning.
Mother fucker, we do not give a flying rat fuck if you believe us when we tell you we get laid. Similarly we don't give a fuck if you don't believe that the earth orbits the sun. It makes us look bad? So fucking what? Search my name on here, not my posts, but the ones about me. They're fucking hilarious. They can't believe an old guy is fucking hot young girls half his age, without paying them. While I tend to mix and match my stories, because details are irrelevant and obfuscation of my real life is useful, everything I say happened. Do you think i give a fuck what they think? Do you think any of the mods or EC's give a shit how we're perceived? We don't need their validation nor their approval.
What the fuck can I offer without personal accounts of 48 year old 5'8 tall guy who fucks college girls and decent looking older chicks? If I can do it, almost anyone can. I strive to do things and be an example for others to follow, doing it all in a way that anyone can do it. That means low buck, sweat equity, and self improvement, not spend thousands trying to do it.
The fact that I am old, not tall, and not rich is the exact reason I give examples of my experience. It takes more work than the tall guys, and anything worth having is worth working to get, but it can be done. Not only does it require work, you have to know it will work. If nobody tells you exactly how it worked for them and their situation, you'll never believe it, it's nothing more than a platitude. You can do it! Yay... fuck that. Here is how you do it.
I'm all about evidence, testing, repeatable results, the whole scientific method. I live my life by it. However I'm not a sperg, nor so limited in understanding and experience that I feel the need for everything to be cited in a study at some university to see it has merit. Might be the mechanical mind, or the military training that allows me to discern possible from improbable. Whatever it is, wanting proof for every fucking thing, especially when it comes to social dynamics with its inherent infinite variables, is maximally sperg pedant bullshit. Go fucking test it for yourself.
You might think I'm angry, but i simply write this way. I fucking adore profanity.
I have been a fan of yours since the early days of this subreddit. I want to hear your stories and learn from people like you, because of the fact that you had to work for it. You know what you had to do to become a great man, and can explain it now. The average Chad who was born to be great with women usually can't explain how to emulate himself.
Actually, if you listen to most of the great pickup artists, almost all of them have the same story- they were skinny losers in high school, and they had to work hard and figure out how to become successful with women.
The male hamstering is the poison that cripples a man; stopping him from entering uncomfortable situations that force growth, and rationizing why conformimg to a life of mediocrity is acceptable.
I should've noticed the Fat Acceptance like wording that was coming out from that post, but ended up thinking,"This is TRP, there can't be Fatavists here?"
The US is reaching an obesity rate 30% (and no evidence of stopping), and child hood obesity is going up. The herd will literally be made of fat cows; eat right, train hard, fight back against social programming that it's okay to be fat, dumb, and lazy as long as you're happy.
Life is hardships, pain, and failure, and overcoming and thriving through it is what defines you and makes you above the crowd.
Don't do what makes you "happy", do what is challenging and kicks you in the ass.
Yes, and most of the people who are obsessed with thinking they aren't big enough are permabulkers. A good chunk of guys who lift weights are into bodybuilding, not permabulking. That means they cut and bulk, so they are routinely cutting calories and losing mass.
THANK you. When I read that yesterday, I couldn't believe it had been posted in TRP, much less that it was gaining up votes.
Life is about competition. Humans need competition so much we create games to fill the need for it when we're not out directly competing with smilodon. As men, we were born to compete. And if we don't win the competition, our genes vanish from the human race.
I don't get why people write such full length posts and commentary on the societal implications of lifting.
Like, fuck it man, I'm just here to get laid n shit, I can't be asked to bother "lifting for muhself". I do it to get laid. Why is that bad? I like lifting too, the progression you get from being swole, but getting pussy is a large part of it tbh
Holy shit i thought i was crazy or somethin. The bp sjw mentality is creeping in guys. That shit should have never passed 10 upvotes, jesus christ a mod should just censor those kind of shit posts.
I see this hasn't got a very high up-vote percentage, I find that a bit strange as this line alone makes perfect sense and helps avoid people hand-wringing or pontificating over the hypothetic draw-backs of picking up a dumb-bell.
I only skimmed through the article you are discussing here, but as a general rule, anything about fitness on TRP is unwelcome - apparently every single spanner on here is an expert and knows everything there is to know about Lifting, and OP is always wrong, no matter what.
Good post dude.
This hasn't got a high upvote % because people have read a misguided post and made it popular, so this post is bad to avoid cognitive dissonance now they've thought oh shit I was wrong. I expect this comment to do poorly for the same reason.
And the good old Reddit Wheel keeps on'a turnin'
You're probably correct, but the META posts usually always get a pretty rough reception. People don't like being told what they should like, my slight confusion came from this being good and not the least bit preachy but still getting that reaction.
THANK YOU. That shit is the same hamstering feminists do.
One thousand fucking times yes.
There are ZERO health related reasons for a man to be above 10% body fat. None. Zip. Nada.
Oh, you're at 12%? Your abs are coming in? You're a fat fuck, do some cardio and stop eating poop for dinner.
Shit, 10% fat probably isn't even necessary. I am sooooo fucking sick of this hamstering too and I'm not even in good shape. My body fat is a few points above 10 for sure. But I recognize I am a fatty that doesn't work hard enough to deserve 10%, unlike all these faggots who think they are more intellectual because you're not ripped.
If you're not in great shape, you are by definition not an intelligent person. Intelligent people understand that physical fitness is the priority, always, no matter what. Elliot Hulse has a great saying: your body is your mind.
This is a factually true statement. The mind does not exist outside of your body. Your mind is not in your head or your brain. It IS your body.
I lift 5 days a week, starting to eat a lot better, but still above that 10% bf. Have no problem with current physique but as you said wouldn't mind getting it down to improve definition. Is it really just a matter of running 3-5 miles a day or so?
Nope, the main goal is that you don't overconsume. Cardio is more for about increasing your general endurance.
I am by no means a fitness-expert, but this resonates best with my own experience. I did cardio for ages, but I only started losing fat the moment I changed my diet.
Cardio is the best exercise for burning fat but it really just comes down to your diet.
Not really. Cardio is hella effective, but actual (notable) fat burning happens after roughly 40 minutes in cardio zone 1. Cardio zones 2+3 dont really burn fat directly (notably).
It does help indirectly and is necessary to combat negative effects of modern sedentary lifestyle (nope lifting is not enough). So if you have time for regular cardio do it. 20-30 minutes 2-3x per week is enough to reap full health benefits if you do lift or other sports too.
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Circuit training is cardio though. Cardio basically just means elevated heart rate for an extended period
After a certain point...you realize it really comes down to diet.
Your body is a amazing at adapting to shit which you put it thru and sooner or later you will reach the point where it isn't possible to run far enough to burn the fat if you are stuffing your face with pizza and 12 beers every night.
Oh yea I've been big before and losing weight is easy. But losing weight without sacrificing muscle is more difficult, and calling anything over 10% body fat as 'fat' is a tad ridiculous
no its the fact that you're not in a caloric deficit. track your calories.
I need to tell myself this everyday to push myself. It's a long, but extremely necessary grind. Im at 15, down from about 20, and I'm doubling down. Being fat is not an option anymore.
YES
Fat is not obese. Fat is more body fat than you should have. Keep on attacking those mother fucking weights like they are some dumb slut you need to teach a lesson to. Except this lesson is taught with your muscle, not dick.
Priorities and age come into play, especially with bf%, but being fit is immensely beneficial. I'd probably be dead now if I didn't have the endurance and strength I had prior to some life altering events that have forced me to slow down. The vast majority of people will never experience what fucked me up, but they'll possibly have other things, illness, accidents, all kinds of shit that being in shape will increase your chances of survival.
The most important thing is to build yourself up in your 20s and maintain at the very least as long as possible. The more you build (without damaging joints) the easier it will be to remain capable as you get older. At 30 your healing slows noticeably. At 40 everything hurts more and takes longer yet to heal. Around 50 not using it makes it not work and you get stiff muscles easily. If you're a weak fuck in your 20s and 30s then 50 and up is going to suck.
I am speaking outside of actual health problems. No reason healthy males 20-60 need that extra fat.
If you're older you get like, maybe 1% leeway per decade I guess. Even then- I don't think a 60 year old needs 14%. So maybe less than 1%
You do realize you sound like these anorexic women obsessing they are 'too fat' ?
Many of those bitches are fat. They just need to exercise though, not starve themselves.
Don't care if you think I'm anorexic. You're weak and fat, do something about it instead of claiming I sound anorexic because Im aware enough to acknowledge I'm weak and fat.
Being close to the average is not, not fat.
Not possessing extra unneeded fat is not fat.
Are you here to contribute anything substantial? Sounds like you're just being a bitch right now.
I'm not really a red pill guy. Just wandered in here. I like your post.
Dude's need to compete. And they need to realize that they enjoy competing, because they do. They just haven't been exposed to competition in a healthy way, which is a major flaw in our society IMHO.
Anyways, there's nothing wrong with doing hard work. Not all "Alphas" are born alphas. Sorry to burst your bubble. They can put in the hard work, time, effort, energy, and other resources to edge out the competition.
And muscular isn't attractive. Muscular is a sign of HEALTH, and HEALTH is attractive.
Maybe even more so: Muscles -> dedication with an warrior mentality, security from threats (other men or animals), strength being able to continuously bring in more resources (food, material for building a house etc) -> attractive
To be fair if you're in TRP playing the popularity game for which posts and advice to follow, you're missing the whole point of TRP to begin with. People fall too easily to taking things at face value when you shouldn't.
But male hamster ing is a real thing and it's fucking pathetic. Even if it is a legitimate excuse, an excuse is still an excuse. So don't fall into complacency using excuses. That's how you turn into a fat fuck who orbits around a girl who's a 3 and still not get laid.
Like shit I understand some people are overcompensating when they can't shut up about the gym 24/7 but being like that is still better than fat fucks trying to excuse their own laziness.
Don't even have to lift. I haven't hit the gym since high school, and maybe once or twice since college.
I also bike every day, do some bodyweight fitness, and so on. I'm athletic, not built.
And you know what? I do lose sexual opportunities as a result. Some girls only want a six pack. One of my plates tried to set up a threesome last month- she said no, no 8 pack, no deal. We hard nexted.
And you know what? I don't give a fuck. I love my lifestyle. She found a different girl who didn't care about 8 packs. You don't have to be a ripped, 5%er to enjoy life and get laid like a mofo. You don't have to pump iron to be fit and healthy.
But in general, you do have to be attractive and have a high SMV. Being a fatass is neither of those things.
TL;DR You don't have to go the gym and lift to be attractive and healthy. It helps, and it'll help you a ton if you're a lardass, especially by giving you discipline.
Nice username. I was at the gym today doing 5 lbs weights to rehab my wrist and this guy next to me just couldn't stop checking himself out in the mirror. Lifting is so much investment into a shallow endeavour. It's narcissistic in a way.
Had a coworker a long time ago tell me he hated when someone would say "good enough". I didn't understand it way back then, because I was young and dumb.
To the still clueless: By saying "good enough" you are completing the task / goal, but you damn well know deep inside you that you could do way better. You are just too damn lazy to do better.
Getting to that last rep in the gym and get to 12 and think "That was pretty easy today, good enough."? Think about something that pisses you off and push out a few more.
Let me confess something to everyone. I've just now started to get a decent body from lifting after being a fat peice of shit most of my life. Had a girl over Friday night who's never been with anyone with any type of muscles at all. She's couldn't stop rubbing all over my arms and chest, it was noticeable and it was the first time it was confirmed for me that lifting is an absolute NECESSITY for men. No exceptions.
Congrats on your first Swolestation
You earned your tag with this post alone sir
Where did that actual post go? I read it yesterday and can't seem to find it now.
Got deleted I seems. Honestly, It had some fair points but as this post mentions, it focused on a small demographic of men (the majority being fat/skinny fucks that don't need to even start thinking about the stuff in the post).. Hamsters in the comments took it as "don't lift" and don't try and improve yourself.
Good riddance; the entire post reeked of somebody who'd just barely started lifting or had never lifted a day in his life. Everybody who's a serious lifter knows, like this post mentioned, that muscle gain is a slooow process. You can work out consistently for 2 years straight, 4-6 days a week, with proper nutrition and can acquire the physique that the top 5% of men have that this post is talking about, and still be nowhere close to the Instagram fitness models or professional physique competitors/weight-lifters. The post assumed men develop body dis-morphia before they even start seeing results. Ha! Quite the contrary, the only people who develop body dis-morphia are advanced lifters who have been lifting and going on bulk/cut phases for several years.
Yeah it was a shit show in that thread. Good intentioned post but misguided and dangerous for the hamster inclined.
With all due respect, they're kinda right in that regard, what you describe isn't really how BD works.
Body dysmorphic disorder is something that drives people to do things like engage in absurd amounts of lifting, undergo constant plastic surgeries, inject themselves with absurd amounts of synthol, starve themselves to levels resembling anorexia (something which the condition is very closely related to), conduct extreme body modifications, etc. Not something that you come down with as a result of doing those things.
In extremely simplified terms, it's kinda like there's a "switch" in the brain which is normally supposed to be flipped whenever a person's bodily integrity is somehow compromised, in order to alert us to the problem and dissuade us from engaging in whatever behavior led to it.
In someone with BD, that switch flips itself on and stays on for reasons we don't fully understand, typically around adolescence. So even though there's usually nothing physically wrong with them, they constantly experience this overwhelming sensation that something isn't right, and changing their body will somehow resolve it.
Only, because the switch isn't flipped for the reasons it's supposed to be, that sensation never goes away no matter how much bigger, or smaller, or whatever, they manage to get.
So ultimately, in the case of folks who never end up getting the mental healthcare they need, they often end up taking their thing to an absolute extreme.
Body dysmorphia, like alcoholism, is an addiction. If you find yourself setting alarms for every three hours in the middle of the night so you can wake up and take a fucking protein shake, you have body dysmorphia. If you resist taking rest days because you think your muscles with atrophy away in 24 hours, you have body dysmorphia.
If you bust your ass 3-4 times per week, watch your food intake, eat a predominantly Paleo-ish diet, you do not have body dysmorphia.
The bigger issue is people not seeing the distinction between the two. Having a few beers 2-3 times a week does not make you an alcoholic; taking your training seriously does not make you dysmorphic. Yet most are too stupid to understand this.
Probably, yeah.
Absolutely, yeah. That's, like, the epitome of textbook BDD.
Eeeehhh, this part, not so much.
I do get what you're saying in regards to the two or three beers thing, but the major distinction between BDD and alcoholism is that the former is much more dependent on genetic and other inherent biological factors than alcoholism is. Almost anyone has the potential to fall into alcoholism, but BDD is something that you either have, or don't have.
Body dysmorphic disorder is actually considered to fall within the obsessive–compulsive spectrum, if that helps illustrate what I'm saying. It's not something you can give yourself by engaging in specific behaviors as a coping mechanism, like alcohol and alcoholism are.
That said, I'm absolutely not saying that working out isn't something that people can develop an addiction to, like alcohol. It absolutely is, no question about it. But that alone isn't enough to qualify as BDD. Rather, it's what's called a behavioral addiction, and the methods for treating the two can differ significantly.
Treating a behavioral addiction often utilizes the kinds of methods you'd see used in treating drug addictions, like alcoholism. Treatment for body dysmorphic disorder, on the other hand, is more like treating obsessive-compulsive disorder. A prescription of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors isn't going to do a thing for someone who's developed a behavioral addiction, but they're pretty much the difference between night and day to someone with BDD.
What's that thread about, I can't seem to find it. Did the mods delete it?
This a LONG fucking rant, but I think you actually make a really strong point. I wish I was obsessed with the gym.
Good post. I didn't understand how that post your referring to got so much attention. It was such bullshit. No one here should be looking for excuses to aim low. I get it, if someone feels insecure because they compare their fat ass's to the fit people at the gym, it happens. But you're not going to fix that by trying not to compete. Compete with yourself if you must but you absolutely must press forward. Sink or swim, so for God's sake just try and swim!
I totally agree, with one caveat. Lifting isn't everything, I'm an endurance athlete and in the top 5%. My point is, you don't need to lift, but you need to be fit
Thank you for calling this bullshit out and furthermore explaining why it was bullshit.
Remember if it was easy everyone would be doing it!
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You can be swole as fuck and still hardly get laid...
While I do lift and believe that everyone should do the same, I also think that men higly overestimate the importance of male looks when women look for partners. "I'm too fat/skinny/bald/ugly to get a girlfriend/date/onenightstand" is the number one excuse I hear from men who don't engage in the sexual market. The real hamstering comes from the men who refrain from game because they think female sexuality is identical to that of men.
Women don't give a shit about how you look. If they ever mention your looks, then its a shittest. And no, that does not mean that you should stop showering.
If you are a natural and don't use performance enhancing drugs, you can't be too obsessed with the gym. If you work out efficiently, you are done after 45-60 minutes. Your body's natural rate of recovery just can't keep up if you pound away for several hours a day. Realistically, you only need around 5 hours a week to get most of the way to your maximum natural potential. It is not something that will drain all of your time away. Most of the results actually comes from NOT doing certain things, mainly not eating garbage food.
If you say "I don't have time to go to the gym", then you better be a lawyer, doctor, investment banker or business owner and you need to put in 100 hour weeks. If you are pulling in a mid six figure salary, I can understand why you are willing to sacrifice your health for money. But often I hear the "I'm too busy" excuse from students. What the fuck? If you are "too busy" as a sheltered student, then how the fuck are you going to function as an adult in the real world when you have real responsibilities? If you work a 40-50 hour job and you are "too busy/tired" to go to the gym, but some other guy works a 60-80 hour job and finds a way to go to the gym, why should you deserve anything better than the other guy?
You're an idiot. Some people would be happier having normie Gains. It's merely a matter of priorities, and no amount of shooting roids in to your high horse ass is going to change that. Next time you see an opportunity to retort in a hamster-bragging manner do us all a favor and fuck off
You don't need roids to be fucking jacked. Obviously you won't be an ifbb pro but you definitely make girls wet. 9o minutes a day is nothing
Well done.
:I need to go to the gym:
The good thing about trash like the thread op references is its a great way to root out the bloopy morons who don't belong here.
I wouldnt have any problem with something similar to the recent 'if you're bitching about the new red pill ap without supplying any alternative suggestions then get the fuck out of here' ban wave for threads of these types. Allowing this sort of horse shit to spread can only harm this movement.
To me it looks more like you're pointing out the level of complacency that the post might cause, which more so has to do with the person reading the post and "aiming for shit targets" than the post itself. Mind you I haven't read the post but from the points you elaborated on "to do what makes you happy and to avoid acting based on "feelings of inadequacy" isn't necessarily evil or even wrong. It's like cause and effect. I would think most people have a propensity to already want to take the easy way out which would change their perspective on said ideology. Whether the advice given is detrimental or helpful to somebody in this instance probably has a lot to do with their personality beforehand. Even then, the people who want to take the easy way out by nature you'll probably barely if any at all see in a gym. This is just food for thought and me rambling for the sake of discussion.
The only issue I personally have with starting a lifting program again is that I might not have the energy to do both a lifting program AND train for a marathon. Recently finished a half marathon in 2'01". Still have a solid 6 months of training before my first marathon in January.
Is there a way to balance these out cleanly?
May have an advice depending on your training schedule. Got Strava, Endomondo, Fitbit accounts?
I love the fact your tl;dr doesn't have anything to do with what you're talking about at all.
Cold facts. Great rebuttal.
Women's hamstrings never stress
Dear Sir,
You have spoken the truth!
Cheers
Never underestimate people's tendency to be lazy as fuck.
I don't want to go to the gym, I don't want to improve myself, I don't want to compete - it's hard. That's the basic philosophy these people are subscribed to.
Look folks, if you cant bring yourself to put in some fucking work - physically, socially, professionally - you're not going to get shit. Not the big house, not the nice car, not the hot girls.
This is great. Also, it should be mandatory to post progress pics or current stats when posting something under the fitness category.. A lot of dudes get off writing about fitness, but don't really know what the hell they're talking about.. I wrote something the other day about how something as simple as chewing gum at the gym could boost your performance.. needless to say it got deleted and everybody ragged on it.. but hey what do I know? I'm only 6'1'' 205lbs of lean body mass who used to fast rope 60 feet out of Blackhawk helicopters while being shot at..
Well, you're a little bitch.
Except when you factor in that people's definitions of 'big' vary, and someone could easily not want to be above 150lbs lean, so anything higher than that would be 'too big' to them and not desirable. Then, you'd have a bone to pick with how they lack 'intensity' in their workouts and aren't 'lifting right' by avoiding compound lifts because they don't want to put on 10lbs of muscle. All in all, you're just as controlling as the other side and you're projecting your own desires onto people. If them not being fatasses is all that matters to you, then the gym is pennies in comparison to diet. They can easily do body weight exercises, run, swim, etc for the physical stimulus.
This post is nothing short of a feel good rant written from the other side of the spectrum. Same myopic POV, same elitist attitude.
and to tack on this:
If anyone tries to snuff out any other type of exercise as being 'inferior' to lifting and calls it an excuse - touch yourself. By that logic, any instrument you play that isn't the violin is inferior and you're wasting your time/making excuses by not playing it.
Being competitive is good but your reasoning behind competing has to be healthy. If you're lifting to have a more attractive physique to women, stop lifting. There are skinny video game nerds and frat boys with dad bods who slay way more pussy (better quality too) than your average gym bro, simply because they are truly happy and comfortable with themselves which reflects in their frame. You being shredded might boost initial attraction but your secretly insecure frame will shatter in the face of that HB9 who for a few moments actually thought she was talking to the real deal.
I want to add something to the competitive part. Be better than you were the day before. never set your goal with an external influence.
Personally I live with my parents, never socialize and don't have sex, but it doesn't matter, 'cause I don't want friends or sex anyways. You can live a full life playing video games and eating buckets of icecream.
A full life? Naw dude. The only full thing about that lifestyle is gonna be your blimped out haagen-dazs bod.
Your response to male hamstering was male hamstering. Clever.
Go to the gym and smash weights because in this decadent and pathetic society men are not allowed to smash the skulls of their enemies. Fury and violence are your instincts. Odds are that you're on this earth because someone in your lineage was a dyed in the wool killer.
Embrace it.
This is why people come to TRP, not to read stuff which is suitable for xx chromosomes
Okay, I needed that. My original goal in my lifting was a top type Male Physique...or as much as I can do that is possible with my freaky skinny body. I was reading that post and thinking to myself, " You know... Maybe I'm okay as I am". You snapped me out of it
You know, I rarely read a Red Pill post that I agree with, but this is spot on. Protecting fatasses egos is a multimillion dollar industry, and it needs to go if society isn't gonna split into 10% attractive people who care about health and fitness and 90% obese people who are pretending not to be slowly dying.
Nailed it.
A man is broken when he is not strong.
The goal all men should strive for is balance of the big three
BODY - MIND - WALLET
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This is so true, thank you for this post. I have had the exact opposite problem for most of my life in that I was unhealthily skinny, played sports, but I didnt lift. Eventually I realized I had to fucking do something and in the past year, with a lot of work in the kitchen and 6 days a week in the gym, I've been able to put on 25lbs of muscle. It's fucking hard. I still have another 35 to go to hit my goal, but that doesn't mean I give up because 99% of other people would say "that's good enough", or because some article says "don't feel inadequate for being a lazy, boring POS with zero SMV. Accept yourself." Life is constant change and the only way we can have positive change is by going out and working really fucking hard, whether that's in the gym, at work, or at university, the only people who make it to the top work hard. We aren't all equal, and we aren't all afforded the same opportunities, but the one thing you can do is work harder than the next guy and reap the benefits of putting in the time that everyone else is too lazy, or too self loathing to do. Thank you OP for saying something that needs to be said, and for being so up front about it. There's no beating around the bush, and there are no shortcuts. Get out and create the life you want, but be prepared to work.
I think people are unimaginative personally. I don't think lifting is the only way to get a great physique and it's definitely the most boring. I sort of feel like kids these days lift a lot but don't get out and really challenge themselves. Anyway, I'm old so who cares.
Also as a guy who has always been athletic I really feel that lifting doesn't make you shit except strong and cocky. Some people are just naturally athletic and a lot of the people at the gym are chasing after something they will never attain. Call me a dick hater liar idc
Lifting doesn't really make one cocky. People decide to be cocky.
One of the best posts in a while. Cheers mate!
But still, it's sad to see that only 72% upvoted, that means there are a couple hundreds of butthurt betas that downvoted this because it hurt their feelings. I don't get why people come to TRP if they don't want to improve.
I'm glad you wrote this. I was one of those people who upvoted that topic. I didn't even realize what I was doing by agreeing with it... thank you for this wakeup call.
God I've always hated it too. I actually pulled it once and was unable to play croquet for half a year. I swear I would've made it pro.
I think shaming is a good thing if not taken too far. It was being teased on for my weight at a young age that even got me interested in lifting.
Thank you. That article was like some BMI=30 blue haired ham planet saying that you shouldn't diet because you might become anorexic.
Iron's only great to a point and is ultimately only an end in itself. No reason not to do it, you need to lift and do it seriously.
Learn how to fight as well. A physique that looks good but can't back shit up isn't worth anything.
If you're over the age of 18 and still get into fights, you're a fucking idiot and nobody thinks you're cool.
No amount of fighting training is going to help you against someone with a knife, or with friends. Personally, I'd round up my buddies and jump you if I ever lost to you, and I'd do it repeatedly.
Oh fuck son you certainly don't actually fight. Jesus. It's just good discipline-wise and fun. My old BJJ coach was an MMA fighter and a black belt in BJJ and he'd never been in a fight in his life outside of a cage or gym.
People who get into fights are just fucking stupid.
It's just you're less likely to be intimidated by assholes who escalate to violence at the drop of a hat if you've done some legit training. you know if it comes down to actual physical contact you can handle yourself.
The world is harsh. There's no getting around this fact.
You can ignore it and retreat to your cave or you can man the fuck up and be alpha.
Fuck do you guys actually believe this? Christ you peacocking freaks.
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It's unbelievably hard if you're beta. As in, haven't learned female nature and adopted alpha personality traits. As an alpha it's virtually effortless. You just kind of stumble around and find yourself fucking attractive females.
Learn female nature and adopt alpha characteristics. Your pessimism is merely a reflection of your beta nature.
Wait...but...but...the girls at Red Pill Women (and every other woman who had a man stupid enough to ask her) say that Alphas come squirting and screaming right out of the chute as pussy slayer Natural Born Alphas.
Gals recoil at the idea of Betas becoming Alphas because it disarms the most holy and righteous magic vagina Alpha detectors but if you are right it means we can ignore all that and instead learn and adapt alpha characteristics and learn to slay it.
One of the most fun moments in a beta-alpha transition is when you're still fundamentally beta but you're mimmicking alpha behaviors and watching them work, and you're laughing because you know you're being perceived as something you're not (yet) and you're getting more pussy than you deserve.
You are just looking at a tough market friend. Places like Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, SAN Francisco all do a great job of attracting men with good careers and are into fitness heavily. Nothing is changing a ton from a macro level (though wealthy millennials are focusing on working out more than other generations) it's just market specific and a great place to be a girl if you want a guy out of your league
Want the reverse? Go to Houston, Nashville, Atlanta, Oklahoma City, or charlotte and just by not being fat you will be top 20%
Do the areas you listed correlate to the women as well?
Better looking and more fit women in certain cities than others?
I feel like your comment could be turned into a thread. Being top 20% by just being fit would be some really good practice for someone just starting.
Not at all. If anything, it's the opposite. Remember - what women find attractive in men is different than what men find attractive in women. So while the quality of men are better in San Fran, Chicago, and New York due to them having high paying jobs and being physically fit - the women there don't have a higher SMV (if anything it's lower).
The average woman in a southern city blows the doors of a girl in Seattle or New York. Sure, they will make less and have different expectations, but it is a far better market for men if that's what you are looking for
I could see Seattle, but NYC is pretty agreed upon as the largest hub of the most beautiful women in the world. Granted, that would always come down to the tastes of the individual.
Either way, the logic seems odd.
It seems like if the majority of the men women find attractive are in certain cities, that the majority of women would gravitate there as well.
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I think the point we are getting at though, is that in cities like Nashville it is just way easier to be in the top 10% of men.
It should be noted that the amount of high caliber women will be lower, but they will still be there.
Not only is it a better market, but if you are so inclined, you will be able to practice social circle game at a higher level, with less investment.
The sheer number of higher caliber women will of course be lower in a smaller city, but the ratio of high caliber women to high caliber men is skewed completely differently.
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I can not imagine a worse dating area than San Francisco - where everyone is rich. The only strategy I can think of is just zigging where other zag. Get big and display raw testosterone while holding frame on shit like their loony political views.
Even then the juice aint worth the squeeze. San Fran girls are meh
I've never heard of this subreddit, but as a dude that goes to the gym almost every day I thank you for everything you said. Lifting and wanting to look appealing isn't a competition with the next dude, it's about competing with yourself and feeling better. Other guys can have the dad bod, I'll hit the extra reps of incline for them.
You're setting the same standard that beauty magazines set for women. You must do this to be considered not a piece of shit. I just disagree. Do enough to stay healthy, but if you don't want to bulk up, then don't.
Who fears the gym? I don't go because firstly it's boring and second it's just plain nasty, breathing sweaty air and taking a shower afterwards in some smelly changing room with other guy's pubes on the floor. Oh and it's expensive. I prefer to take a bike ride or hike a mountain instead, run on the beach, get out in the great outdoors. But each to their own, if you like the gym then you're probably already there, if you hate it don't push yourself, do something you like.
The gym is all half of these idiots that post on TRP have, man.
Thanks for saying what lot of us were thinking. It's not surprising, really. Just sad to see many subreddits that promote any sort of common sense or pro-masculinity getting infiltrated by beta boys lately.
Exactly most of these gym bros go in to do curls for the girls it's hysterical and they wonder why no progress is made doing pussy work even after 1 year of consistency.
Lift get strong as fuck know where you stand aquire realistic confidence then train to fight for 6 months acquire extreme humbleness and confidence like no other
Someone got fucking triggered, lmao.
Looks don't matter nearly as much as you think. Girls are not wired the same way we are. They screen for behavioral cues. An alpha male is not the best looking fuckboy in the tribe, but the most resourceful and socially savvy male.
This is why having social proof and preselection does more for you than washboard abs and tree trunk arms.
Work out for the health benefits. Bone density and shit.
Do what makes you fucking happy.
I know fat ugly fucks who slay harder than 99 percent of the guys in this sub. Why? Because they don't give a fuck. They approach fearlessly, they have game, they have friends. Most importantly, their confidence comes from knowing the girl's life will be better with them in it than without. Allows natural screening frame. No ego, no comparing themselves to societies false standards.
The above paragraph is the true red pill. You don't need to run the rat race; you need to recognize it for what it is and escape it.
Do what makes you fucking happy, because becoming a bitter fuckboy who cavemans drunk girls is not going to make you happy.
Anything you do should be for you, not to meet social standards. Burn away your insecurities. Fuck your self image. Girls have no standards.
You probably didn't read the post. What makes most beta's happy is laying on the couch with some land-whale watching Netflix documentaries on fairies and eating deep fried oreos. Red pill life IS escaping the rat race of modern society's shit standards to coddle women.
Don't tell me what makes me happy, but especially don't try and hamster guys into accepting not getting laid as a good thing.
I read the post. TRP is not that far down the rabbit hole. It still operates within the paradigm of social conditioning.
And no, betas are not all complete degenerates. Most men are doing the best they can with their social conditioning.
Let's break it down this way, using the Matrix as an analogy. Bluepill: plugged in. Redpill: unplugged. Reality: it's a movie.
Effectively the blue pill individual is unaware of his or her situation. The red pilled individual is aware of reality, but only as it is presented to him. The truly woke know that shit goes much deeper than lift and make money. It's like you leave a valley, climb a hill, then realize there's a bigass mountain in the distance.
If you're unhappy in general, getting laid doesn't change that. It will give you a spike in the short term through ego gratification and dopamine, but it's like a bandage over a gaping wound, which is trauma. You're not healing, you're just finding ways to treat the symptoms of being an emotional wreck.
OK. Be uber lifting alpha and then get injured and spent rest of your life as essentially crippled man and see all women avoid you like plague. Be uber alpha flood your body with proteins and supplements and get cancer or kidney failure before 40 (google dead bodybuilders). You will be fucked hey, bro, you are alpha. No, women don't really care about muscles as much you may think. I saw on chaturbate normal or skinny dudes fucking 9/10 girls. You just dont need to be super skinny or fat, average athletic body will be just fine, there is no need to kill yourself trying to outalpha everybody. The fact you need perfect magazine body to bang women is PUA myth and dudes jump on it because it's 'magic pill'. If someone is hamstering it's you.
I'm sure you did
This just shows you didn't read the article.
Are you honestly grasping your porn addiction to prove a point? Get out of here, man. That shit's toxic.
Also, the OP is 1000% right. Stop the fucking excuses.
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Internet points are not the functioning equivalent of wisdom.
The garbage fire you alluded to is indicative of a continuing trend of "just be yourself" invading an intentionally hyper-masculine space.
OP fucks. That's what Rule Zero Is for, successful male sexual strategy. Self-improvement is a side benefit of all of the things lifting heavy does to make fucking women easier.
Doesn't sound pleasant or nice or equitable. Too bad. The world requires losers for winners to exist.
True, but many people only read the top few comments, and solidify their judgment accordingly.
Dumb fucks living in a TL:DR world.
Crab buckets only require a lid.
Being realistic is the most commonly travelled path to mediocrity.
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'Do what makes you happy' can mean to go through a shit time to get to a goal that will better you and make you happier.
Of course, that kind of context isn't present on TRP where guys go to alpha-role play. The OP intentionally missed that context just to humblebrag that he lifts.
My red pill for the day. Don't arbitrarily rule out things that would make you better.
If a year ago you had told me I'd be putting creams and salves on my body pretty much every day, I would have laughed at you and said something about I'm not a bitch, i don't use lotion. Because conceptually it sounds effiminate, when in reality what was effiminate was my poorly taken care of body.
After going to the gym and actually making the effort to look at myself directly and candidly in the mirror. I started noticing some other things I always intentionally ignored. My whole life I always had red bumps on my arms (probably keratosis pilaris). It never mattered to me because I'd always have a shirt on. I realized the work I'm putting in is really about not having a shirt on. How successful can I be even if I get a pair of guns but still have these stupid red bumps all over? So I got Gold Bond's Rough and Bumpy skin cream, been using it for several months now. I now continously find reasons to wear muscle shirts. (something that didn't even exist in my closet 2 months ago)
Going to the gym is hard. If you're doing it right, it's really hard on our bodies. Especially the longer you've waited and let youth pass you by. I'm not old by any means but I know I'm not young anymore that I actually understand the "getting older" concept, that there's pain and aches that just never existed. Now that I'm able to do like 50 pull ups and chin ups at the gym, my elbows will hurt after that. I started using Penetrex. I even bought it months ago, just let it sit around and never even opened it. Now I use it almost every day. I can't say for sure it works, but I definitely can't say it doesn't work. I ended up buying a large jar of it from Amazon Prime Day this week because I want to keep it around for a while. It's supposed to be an amazing anti-inflammatory (topical) which is a huge deal with recovery. Most NSAIDS, like Advil, have enough research that theyre strongly correlated with preventing gains due to their intentional effects to reduce pain that it also reduces muscle synthesis.
Finally, this one is more specific to me as an individual. My eyes have always been the most commented on trait I have. They are not some boring regular color. But you know what doesn't look great about eyes? Dark circles underneath them. I realized I was letting that detract from them. Later I might get the laser skin lightening or something as a permanent fix but for now the past week or two I just started using one of the top eye creams from Amazon. Seems to be working fine enough until I decide to spend real money.
tldr we spend hours upon hours every week in the gym. It would be outright silly we ignore spending $25 a month for stuff that you spend a few minutes on each day to further refine all the hours of hard work we put in for it.