Kind of surprised this hasn't made its way here, considering TRP is called out in the title. A very good example of the double standards people have, and how women are considered victims when they're treated the same way men are all of the time.
http://archive.is/k4ji6
A common scenario: a woman becomes pregnant by "accident", her fling/ex/one-night-stand does not want to be a parent, but the courts end up forcing the man to pay child support for the next 18 years of his life, most of which may never go towards the child.
Of course, we are told that this is completely normal and acceptable. Both parents have a responsibility towards the kid. You can't opt out of being a parent. The child support is for the child's benefit. If you didn't want a kid, you shouldn't have had sex. And so on, and so on.
Except when it's a man that's forcing his girl to pay child support. Then, according to much of Reddit, he's a scumbag, a lying asshole, his child is to be pitied for being raised by him, etc.
In this instance, a 20-year-old man posted on Legal Advice asking for help. His ex-girlfriend was pregnant and wanted to put the child up for adoption when it was born, against his own wishes. He wanted to raise the child, even if he had to do so as a single parent. He said that he earned enough to support the child on his own and he was willing to take on the responsibility.
He was informed that his ex could not put the child up for adoption without his consent and that he should get a lawyer, register his paternity, and push for his custodial rights.
Yesterday, he came back with an update. He got a lawyer, managed to prevent his ex from putting the child up for adoption, and is now raising his daughter as a single parent, with his ex signing over her custodial rights. And oh yeah, after this all happened and he had his daughter, he also got his lawyer to file for child support and his ex now has to pay child support for the next 18 years, and she phoned him up livid, swearing at him and calling him every name in the book.
A very common scenario that often occurs with the man having to pay the child support, but now that it's the woman, plenty of people have some choice thoughts for this man.
I actually feel terrible for the mother. Because if she didn't want the child, she could have easily aborted the baby and this man goes, after the mother gives him full legal custody, and makes her pay child support?
I don't agree with this at all. (+723)
Yes, she definitely should've aborted her eight-month-old fetus to save money.
But that was the point of adoption, so someone could take proper care of the child. This just seems like dirty tactics. (+257)
Want proper care for your child? Put them up for adoption and send them off into the world!
She had a plan, but now has to pay child support instead because the father wanted full custody? (+420)
Now, after he gets custody of the kid, he wants her to pay child support? That kinda negates the point of not being able to support the kid. I'd say that's a dick move on the dad's part. She should have terminated if she knew he would do that. (+596)
Another "she should've aborted her almost full-term baby" comment.
Literally a post why she should have put it up, she'd be in much better position. Crazy. (+4)
If she put her daughter up for adoption, she would save money and her daughter would grow up without either of her birth parents. Imagine how much of a better position that would be!
She let him have the kid without a fuss at the end but then he files for child support? Holy shit can't understand how someone could do that. And just imagine the Reddit shitstorm if it had been the other way. (+188)
"Imagine if this happened to a woman!"
She was mislead and lied to. It is incredibly scummy and I now worry for this kid's future having a dad willing to so coldly lie and fuck over someone like that...There needs to be more reason in these laws. (+44)
Total dick-move to sue for child support. She clearly and expressedly did NOT want this child. She made the process for OP to have the child easy as possible. Had she gone the adoption route, she wouldnt be on the hook for child support, but decided to give the father a chance to parent. Absolutely an asshole thing to do to her. (+10)
What selfish prick. Also, what an excellent way to make that woman hate him until the day she dies. (+14)
I think it's a crappy thing to do, and if I was the mother, and he went after child support, I'd go after visitation rights. Then he may change his mind about wanting child support.
"If I was the woman, I would go after visitation rights and be miserable raising a daughter I don't want to get back at him!"
I am glad I am not the only one that was distressed about the underhanded way he went about getting child-support. His lack of honesty really worries me. (+61)
I'm conflicted regarding going after child support. In my head I feel it's wrong, if she had put the baby up for adoption then she wouldn't have to pay it for the next 18 years. However if the roles were reversed and the father wanted to put the baby up for adoption and the mother wanted full custody, then i think public opinion would be that the father obviously has to pay. The laws need to change regarding this topic for sure. (+19)
"Now that this has happened to a woman, the laws have to change!"
Also, one comment that made me laugh:
You said you weren't smart enough for college? Man, you seem brilliant!
And there are hundreds of other comments, calling him shitty, a scumbag, ice cold, and every other name in the book.
To be fair, at least half the people in that thread support him and think this is perfectly fine, maybe even the majority. But you can be sure that if this was a woman, nobody would've even blinked twice.
When a woman is given the same treatment that men undergo all the time, she is seen as a victim. Furthermore, when a woman suffers the smallest consequences for her actions, people will excuse any and all behavior on her part (such as a late-term abortion of a viable fetus to avoid paying child support).
This is a prime example of hypocrisy by SJWs. Great breakdown of the top comments - it's so painfully obvious that victimhood culture only applies to women.
This is a prime example of the anti-natalist attitude of Western women in general. And people complain about Islam becoming the future, lol.
Feminist and a lot of feminist influenced women don't like being women. Penis envy is real. They really believe being a man is this amazing trip in the world where everybody serves you. Its ridiculous.
They are the true misogynists. They hate women so much that want them to all become men.
But I like them as women. :^(
I got into an argument with my sister who said I wasn't a feminist because I don't think it's socially correct for women to take off their shirts. I'm sorry but this is our sociological norm. Breasts literally grew from an evolutionary process of sexualization. Men's nipples aren't sexualized.
Western civilization is the most equal place to live in the world. What more do they need?
There are also alot of feminists that argue that taking off the shirt contributes to the objectification of women. They cant make up their minds. Personally im all in favor of women taking off their shirts if they want to.
It's almost as if they're individuals with their own thoughts and ideals about feminism... Come on bro. This isn't a reason to slam feminism. There are plenty of reasons to disagree with elements and even the movement as a a whole, but this isn't one of them.
Young girls (as in kids, children, 5 year olds) don't have breasts.
Boobs literally grow as a sign saying "I'm no longer a child and biologically ready for mating".
Indeed, anybody making the claim that breasts aren't sexual completely failed biology class when they went over secondary sexual characteristics.
It tells a lot about their worldview. In their eyes the only men are the top 1%. The psychopathic unstoppable ones. Who gets whatever they want and when they want especially sex.
They think if they would have been male then they would have been drowning in pussy all the time and will be getting sex without being labelled as slut.
Many feminists have literally confessed to me about it. I have to remind them that they are average or below average looking girls. And in the male world even the slightly above average looking man don't have such abundance of choices as much an very below average woman have. Their male version would have been below average looking men, which means they would be sexually frustrated and would be working hard to get acceptance from society and in return they would only be getting shit.
Its not that women cannot see the victims, its that they don't consider them a man. Label yourself as gay or transgender then they will notice you. Because such men won't be thinking of impregnating them if they will show compassion towards them.
Women's love is towards only such men that are capable of harming others and them. Their love is not for the victims who are harmed by such men.
My GF's GF, literally told me that female priveledge and sexual selection wasn't real. When I explained that women are the gatekeepers of sex, and a woman can get laid any time, any place, she said: "I'm sure if you just walked up to some girl, you could say 'hey, let's fuck' and she'd go home with you." I laughed so fucking hard... No honey, thanks for the compliment, I mean it... but no. That just shows how wrong you are about men. We have to put up with shit tests, even when they want us badly. You really can't teach a fish about fishing.
Well, maybe you should take her challenge and give it a go.
If she's right, you'd be an idiot for not knowing you had this power.
If she's wrong, nothing changes.
I like the way this man thinks !
I think that was her subtly trying to tell you that SHE actually wants you ... xD
Hahahah. Well. Been there, done that. :-)
Why the heck are you even talking to her about this? Contain your power level my man.
Oh it was one of those things where a conversation turned into an SJW conversation where "You're white, so you're racist" (Nevermind nobody ever called me white until multiculuralism came in). From there one thing led to another. You're right, of course. Should have been talking about music or something. But it's fun to tell a 19 y.o. lawyer that she's being brainwashed by university. Hard to resist.
Damn, how does that conversation end up going?
Why don't they change their gender and experience all the "privilege's" we have?
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If women are so strong and powerful, how are they so easily subjugated?
To be fair, women have been treated as property; So have men. If women were so oppressed then how did some of the most powerful and scary people in history end up being women? Cleopatra, "Bloody" Mary queen of Scots, Joan of Arc, just a few examples. People need to get off their high horses.
As for the guy from trying to get child support, there is one simple thing the girl can do. She can give up all parental rights, in Texas when she does this she will not be liable for child support, but she will also not have ANYTHING to do with the child.
Which is what she wanted in the first place anyway.
If women are so easily subjugated, how to they control how to spend most of the money?
Hahaha hard for them to answer that one hahahhahaha
My cats are my property. They have a real fucking easy life.
While snarky, this is a point women miss. When men are responsible for women's care women do better than when they are responsible for themselves.
Men are told that that their assistance is not needed and the state of women has seriously declined
even more hilarious (well, not really) is that the state of single women forces the state to take over and provide for them, or them and of their kids all die.
and for most of humanity's existence when a tribe was slaughtered, guess who got to live every time? When boats sank guess who was on the lifeboats? Defended through time while the men went to war and went through hell.
In a sense, yes women were treated as property, but not so much an asset for the husband as an asset of society.
You are going to get downvoted to hell, but for sake of discussion, you really think women were treated like property?
I don't mind downvotes, and I appreciate you not being really mean in your reply, I know this is a contentious topic and I'm actually of the belief that women and men are both negatively impacted by sexism, and I think that addressing one means to (or should mean to) address both. Just saying that to set the tone, I'm not against men's rights, I just hate how contentious they seem to be towards women's rights.
Of course women were treated like property. Have you read the Bible? It never speaks from a woman's perspective. The entire purpose of women is to birth men, be raped by men so that they had no choice but to marry the rapist, or be killed. Do you understand the history of the construct of marriage? Women were literally married to men historically because women weren't seen as fit to lead or to own, so they were married off to a man so that the man could inherit whatever her parents had and he would own any business her family had. Women as leaders were extremely rare. They inherited the man's last name because she was his, not the other way around. Women weren't allowed to leave their homes by themselves until like, the past couple centuries, and even then it wasn't the norm until like the 50s. Girls married young because it was the only way for them to get out of their parents' home. Their parents would only let their daughter leave if it was to marry. And then they'd marry whoever, many times it would end up being abusive, and they couldn't even divorce, because they weren't given the opportunity to work until the war. After all the men left for war and there were no men to work at home, finally then women got to work and weren't seen as totally useless for anything other than baby making, the divorce rate shot up as women could take care of themselves now, and they've been fighting their way up the ranks ever since. It was around when women fought to vote that the typical anti-feminist rhetoric came about, the idea that men who let their wives work or want to vote are weak, that the only women who would fight for those rights must not have a husband, that they couldn't get one because they're awful and ugly. The history is clearly documented that men have been pushing women down throughout history, and they continue to do so, and then they claim women are jealous of men's dicks. What s laugh. It's not the dicks we want, it's the power. The power to hold our own, not be seen as weak or dumb just because of our gender. To not have to fight for everything, all the fucking time. Fighting for credibility that men just get for being men. Everytime a woman takes a stand she's whiny, shrill, nagging, but when men do it's brave, strong, leader. Women get sexually harassed on the street about their body, and the threatened for not responding to it, because men like to think they own public spaces and they are ingratiating women by telling them how their presence makes the man feel, but god forbid a woman ever tells a man how he makes her feel (uncomfortable), or he'll stalk her or threaten her or attack her or just tell the rest of the world what a slut she is for not responding to his cat calling, or for responding to it. Either way she loses. Women are not the ones who own the public world, men are, and any time they feel challenged about it they will make sure they and everyone else knows it's "theirs". Even here, men are freaking out with glee over making a lady pay child support, when the reason for making men do it in the first place was to make up for the fact that men were able to simply walk away from a pregnant lady. And men are fighting to get rid of abortion, so women who got pregnant were stuck with babies, all the time, for a very long time. So laws were put in place to protect women from that kind of abuse. Women were taken advantage of and left in the dust historically, and so they put a law in place to make men equally responsible by paying child support. That was the context for that. Not because fuck men, but because so many women were getting fucked over by men who jumped ship and women weren't given an option. That's why they fought along different avenues to protect women from this, via abortion, adoption, and child support laws. This particular situation it's not the most common, it is a relatively modern problem. It shouldn't been seen as "haha, take that women!" It should be seen as, oh, usually the situation is the other way around, so this is something we should keep an eye on and consider for future cases. Women are typically not forced to pay child support because typically women don't abandon their babies, men typically do. Women are seen as caregivers, they aren't seen as leaders. This hurts women in the workplace, it hurts men in the home life. Two sides of the same coin. The same sexism affects both, and to overcome that stereotype would help both women in the workplace, and men with their home life. Why does it need to be seen as contentious for us to acknowledge that? Can't you see that accepting the sexism women do face would help men overcome the sexism they face themselves? Must we deny the hurdles of the other gender in order to fight our own? I don't think so. I think it's okay to admit that women are indeed underprivileged compared to men in a lot of ways, and thus in turn are given some advantages over men in other circumstances, and both are unfair and we should be working together to fight it on both fronts at the same time.
Thank you for your concise review of Woman's Studies 101. It's a beautiful rendition of cultural history without any context.
Have you ever considered why things were designed this way? Why 99% of all cultures across space and time created similar restrictions on women? You are clearly not familiar with the tenants of the subredit to which you post. Read the sidebar.
So without going into the well covered evolutionary psychology of men and women, let's look at all that "subjugation" from an entirely different angle.
Do you have any idea how difficult and dangerous life has been for either sex throughout history? "Their parents would only let their daughter leave if it was to marry. And then they'd marry whoever, many times it would end up being abusive, and they couldn't even divorce, because they weren't given the opportunity to work until the war." Where are these women, locked away until marriage, trying to go? Seriously, they were just going to go off, alone, and what? Start a farm on who's land? Families had sons who needed that land to raise a family. With what labor? Traditionally labor came from children! Oh, right, they can go become a cobbler or a tailor in the city... and compete against the heads of households who needed that work to support, wait for it, women and children and thus actually give something back to the community.
Feminists need to get real and consider the true options of past women that were so violently cut of by the patriarchy. There were none! And you know what else? There were no great options for the men either! You know why public speaking the number two fear behind DEATH? (And for some, they would literally choose death first). Because of the risk of rejection. To be rejected by ones tribe, group, community etc was DEATH. There was no "I'm going to do it alone, my way". Men and women alike were forced to stay the course, fit the role, and work within the confines of the culture and community they lived because death was waiting, not hiding but in full view, behind every misstep. And not just for the individual but for the family or the entire community.
And yes, in Response to this reality cultures developed stifling, prescriptive systems of subjugation for EVERYONE! You were born a cobblers son? A tribesman? A goatherd? Guess what you will be when you die? Either that or a soldier. For 10,000 years! Probably closer to 20,000.
And let's discuss the soldiers life for a second, shall we? The extra girls, for whom a viable husband with land and a future could not be found, stayed home, sad and alone or were taken care of by institutions of the state (read nuns). Extra men were sent to war. Forced to fight in most cases. Or they chose to start and soon found that there was no way out of a lifetime without purpose beyond death. Who cries for these COUNTLESS men and how they were raped by the system?
Women were given their husbands name because her entire life and sustenance came from her association with that man and his family. Just as the husband's name and life came from his family. They were all reliant on each other and were therefore forced to be reliable. Everyone's hand was forced.
TL;DR You have no understanding of the dangers of the world and the need to create and enforce a system that will allow a cultural group to survive.
I'm not the OP, but I'm willing to have a civil dialogue about your comment and perspective if you'd like. There is a lot to unpack in your comment and my time is valuable so I don't want to do it if you don't really give a shit, but I'm up for a discussion if you are.
It's not like men killed and fought each other over the women.
The conqueror is allotted the rewards. But he also reaps what he sows.
These women think they can just ask for it and receive.
It's not like men killed and fought each other over the women.
The conqueror is allotted the rewards. But he also reaps what he sows.
These women think they can just ask for it and receive.
By the time Islam hits the shelves, it will be so watered down the Arabs will convert to Christianity to save their values.
Naive much? You think the Arabs in their home countries would ever get rid of hardline Islam? Especially if it's meant to keep women down and suppress minorities in their countries
Google the word hyperbole. No time to explain rhetoric devices to normies.
Its incredible to see how it all turns out
Whichever system survives in a few generations will be very pro natalist, Christianity is a dying faith. It will either be Islam or something else, but only the descendants of those who truly want children, don't believe in contraception and abortion will be around in a few generations.
Islam is currently at the same level Christianity was before the council of Nicaea. You haven't even properly figured yourselves out. Stop assuming things.
Give your black pill nonsense a rest. I'm not Christian, but Christianity is not dying, and not all Western women are anti-natalist like the Marxist wastes of sperm and egg on reddit. Additionally, don't conflate invasive nonwhite cultures with white cultures and say 'that's the West.'
Demographics suggest otherwise, but then again what can I expect from a white knight.
Lol give it a break dude this guy is not a "white knight". He is right, Christianity is not "dying". Yes, secularization is spreading in all places. And no, all western women are not even close to being anti-natlist. Do you even go outside?
What is your source for Christianity being a dying faith?
Women taking dick in the ass to save their virginity.
Are you kidding? Have you seen the statistics in Europe? Nobody goes to church except for the elderly and certain African immigrants.
Personally as an atheist libertarian I couldn't care less about the death of christianity and I find it bizarre that some people think religion is required for the continuation of a civilisation.
African tribes are pro-natalist and many of them face threats of genocide and have their resources sold off by tyrants to the Chinese. Doesn't matter how many babies they pump out, they are fucked. Having more white babies in an endless race to outbreed immigrants will achieve nothing but even lower living standards. Pro-natalism is a red herring and an excuse to avoid the harsh truth that what we need is to block 3rd world immigration. Lowered birth rates are a normal and healthy social response to modern economic realities as we see in Japan which isn't faced with extinction just because they aren't fucking enough.
Do you know how rare atheist libertarians are compared to the great mass of humanity? Assuming you're the kind that has arrived at conclusions of your philosophies based on mutual benefit in interacting with society at large in a free market, and the necessary process you had to go through in order to come to that conclusion, the mental hardware involved in making all the appropriate cost benefit analyses' etc, do you realise how unlikely it is that said vast majority of humanity is capable of those things?
Religion was called the opiate of the masses for a reason, it offers simple idiot-proof justification for behaviour that contributes to "society", don't be bad because god is watching you and you'll go to hell, etc etc etc. Exactly the kind of shit you want someone to believe if they're half-retarded and you just don't want them to chimp out and kill / steal / rape / assault etc.
It wouldn't be a problem seeing Christianity die and a more secular population. However, many of these "atheists" are too afraid or naive to realize that importing and allowing mass Muslim immigration will lead to more clashes down the road.
Not kidding at all. I have not seen the statistics and would also guess you have not either since you didn't provide any either. That's why I ask for sources before I jump in with an uninformed opinion.
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The conflicts are happening because of collectivists vs individualists, modernists vs postmodernists etc. Christianity is playing a very small part, a lot of the alt right are new atheists.
This is true but only for parts of Europe and Blue America. Here in Red America we're still having kids.
Red America is slowly turning blue
I'm not sure. The media loves publishing articles condeming Red America and white people to a Blue and brown future, but I think it's just wishful thinking on their part.
Two things make me suspect they're full of shit. One, Red America is definitely still having babies. And Two, Blue America is most definitely not. And they (and hopefully their ideology) are set to die off in a few generations. Have a look at this recent HN thread to see them panic about it.
Red America has work to do, for sure. Turn off the TV, home school, develop a sense of community, and more. But Blue America is absolutely finished. Their aversion to marriage and children plus their devotion to global warming practically guarantees their demise.
Always cracks me up, how they defend Islam.
I'm not getting in shape to get laid, that's for sure...
Islam will save the white race
Nothing surprises me anymore, but what does make me sad is how little these people care about the children. Goes to show how little they believe their own "do whats best for the child" line that they hammer fathers with.
Bill burr outlines out this duplicity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSt3wJXZk0 It's about fairness when it's in my favor, and it's about justice when it's not. Heads I win, tails you lose.
And victimhood culture does NOT apply to men. Never has, and never will. Any men out there living as if this isn't the case are hardly living as men at all.
It took a very low point in my life and the red pill to wake me up to that fact. Nobody cares about your injustices suffered, so brush em off and move on
True, but there are so many cunty boys out and about playing the victim card, trying desperately to get muh equaliteez.
To be fair there were some highly upvoted posts that point out the glitch in the matrix.
One person mentioned how she gave it up because she didn't have the funds to support it, and how her paying child him support negates her trying to avoid the financial burden. It was responded to by this:
Even some downvoting of dissenters
Yet another one
Victimhood culture. Thats great! Let's make that more mainstream. Rape culture vs victimhood culture... I wonder which is more prevalent within our society?
Meh, it's not that great of a breakdown of the comments actually. Top comments are in favor of dad, wondering how things would be if the genders switched roles or talking about the vitriol inside other comments.
They should wait a few months, flip the gender and see what happens. We all know what would happen, but would be funny to watch. Would even be better if we made a comparison on every argument and reason the women give for why its a bad idea for them to pay child support.
Whenever a woman gives me shit like this, as in who should pay, men should be doing this bla bla bla, I just smirk and say equality. :)
holy shit those comments are fucking disgusting jesus christ the fuck is with people on this site LOL holy christ theyre calling for abortion because theyre throwing a fit a single father is getting child support from the ex. hahaha jesus fucking christ wtf is with people on this site LMAO :D
CS / alimony / divorce / parental rights etc are no time for morals. Hunt or be hunted. This guy understood - or at least he got the right advice at the right time.
The system is fucked up beyond all reason, and I wouldn't take too much away from this other than to do your research. If you want to be in the sexual marketplace, know the risks. Have a plan for shit like this, have a plan for how to deal with false rape accusations, have a plan to deal with social fallout, have a plan to deal with STDs, etc.
Big boy pants time - this guy is 1 out of 100. He happens to be in Texas too. If the mother had even a hint of wanting the child, he'd have been fucked. If he'd not convinced the mother to go ahead with his plan, he'd have been fucked. If the mother had gotten good legal counsel... he's fucked. Let's not extrapolate and misread the larger societal situation - his success doesn't mean the system is fair. You can be a lot smarter than he is, and have a significantly worse outcome. She can and will change her mind at the last second - and actually she probably could still file for joint custody / no CS payments if she wanted now, and she'd probably get it.
Love the comments that are essentially "she should have condemned this kid to a foster family like she wanted rather than give it to a enthusiastic father so she could have avoided paying CS." We as a society don't give a shit about kids, we only care about her agency and her life. When it benefits her, we do a massive song and dance about "for the children", but really, the sacrifices are only supposed to be made in one direction.
Probably not, the courts are very biased towards maintaining status quot and the current living situation. She would have to get an unbelievably awesome lawyer and he would have to fuck up very badly in order for the courts to transfer custody to her, especially if there is any evidence at all of her not wanting the child.
That is one of the reasons men lose custody so often, when shit goes south they tend to either A) move out of the marital home, which is treated as abandonment or B) get a TRO against them that forces them to move out. This makes the "status quot" of the kids living with the mother and the courts tend to not want to disrupt that, and thus the man as the non-custodial parent, gets stuck with the CS payments. It's also why divorce lawyers always tell their female clients to get a TRO against the husband, it's practically an instant-win move.
This is incredibly true and once you have established a person as a 'bad' guy/girl especially with some evidence, then it is very difficult to turn it around in courts and that's why its incredibly important to make the first legal move when shit hits the fan. Never ever hesitate to contact a lawyer when your gut says you need one. Don't ever think 'its not that bad yet'.
Stay safe gentlemen! Thank me later
Yeah, good point. She gave up all her cards and then some, and this supports the point that he got extremely lucky that she played along without putting up a fight or consulting a lawyer.
Texas actually likes to give kids to the mother, alot. Although they also hate change...
It's always in the "best interests of the child" to maintain the current living situation during the proceedings. That is why your lawyer will recommend you come up with a "parenting plan", before going to court, outside of extreme situations the judge will stick to that plan.
What happens is the father moves out during the divorce, either to avoid contact with that "lying cheating slut" or due to a TRO from same "lying cheating slut". The judge then decides the children will stay with the mother, maybe even in the same home.
We as a society don't give a shit about kids, we only care about her agency and her life. When it benefits her, we do a massive song and dance about "for the children", but really, the sacrifices are only supposed to be made in one direction.
Well fucking said.
The worst part of it, is that many people don't objectively see this going on right in front of their faces. The assumption of female primacy is so foundational for society at large and individuals, that it's not even worth articulating at this point. Then they see something like this happen and they lose their fucking minds. Frustrating.
Not that it matters, but speaking as a lawyer in Texas, I will say that the Family Law section of the Texas Bar has been working for decades to push back on the gender bias in family courts, and you're starting to see more and more judges rule in favor of awarding custody to the fathers because of that. It used to be that you couldn't get custody awarded to a father without a jury trial, but now judges award custody to fathers fairly routinely. That's not to say it isn't an uphill battle, but I don't think the fact that this case was in Texas is as significant as it would have been twenty years ago.
Honestly as someone who's birth mother didn't want them and gave them him up to abusive grandparents, fuck bitches like this. Keep your fucking legs shut if you don't want children you don't get to play the victim after the fact.
Good for the dad, mom's are shitty fucking parents anyway.
Females are horrible single(edit) parents. Too selfish to see truth and implement common sense, when raising kids.
I don't think a newborn is going into a foster home.
Is there a guide for younger guys on how to deal with all the potential shit?
Edit: guys of all ages
Yet another post that confirms the basic premises of this sub.
There are different biological and social expectations for men than for women. Here is proof. There is no such thing as gender equality. Only balance between the genders.
One of the most useful skills you can learn is to ignore all the SJW hamstering. It doesn't offer anything of value and it's mostly useless drivel constantly updated with made up terminology. Don't let it bother you. Don't react to it. Realistically, those people are much more vocal on the Internet. In real life they are usually only confident in groups (with the exception of the largest ugliest feminists who have given up on social norms entirely).
Dear iizkaraa,
I will gladly explain this to you, although I'm sure it won't change your already preformed opinion.
Our current social norms are beneficial to some people and detrimental to others. For attractive women, the current social norms are extremely beneficial. Due to anisogamy, men and women must mate in order to pass on our genes. However, sperm are tiny, numerous, and cheap, while eggs are few, large, and expensive. Therefore, the sex that has to give up more natural resources for procreation (women) is more selective about their potential mates. This is why men benefit from taking The Red Pill and learning about what gives us value.
Male attraction is primarily visual. This means that attractive women are the recipients of constant male attention and sexual desire. For attractive women, feminism is not only unnecessary, it is actually a hindrance. Attractive women are already catered to by society. Their lives are great and if they learn how to utilize their looks, they are very likely to end up wealthy.
On the other hand, unattractive women are screwed by society. Unlike unattractive men, who can still provide value in other ways, unattractive women are unappealing and undesirable to men. Therefore their value in society is also lower. They are not given the same perks as attractive women. They have to work twice as hard for half the reward. Men will ignore them unless they have something else to offer, hence why many unattractive women tend to be intelligent or talented in a particular area.
For obvious reasons, unattractive women are unhappy with their current role in society. Hence their prevalence in the feminist movement.
The reason most feminists are unattractive is because it would be illogical for an attractive female to be a feminist. She would essentially be working against her own self interests. The goal of feminism is to improve the lives of unattractive women. However the modern day feminist movement is very flawed. Which is evident from a multitude of sources.
Unattractive women can often do something about that condition. But they usually just keep eating, dye their hair, and become impossibly ridiculous in their behavior.
Implying women have anything else to offer.
Just the fact that you have to suggest that the most extreme feminists are "large" and "ugly" makes you sound sexist.
By your logic, probably all the men who care about men's rights are fat and ugly losers with small dicks that have trouble getting laid too, then, right?
Find me an extreme feminist (read: female supremacist) who is fit and attractive and I will genuinely be shocked and retract all previous notions of feminism.
"extreme feminists", are you saying like, akin to "extreme Islamists" or "extreme right wingers"? Is any person of the "extreme" category really normal? Are you suggesting that all people fall under the stereotype of the "most extreme" of their category? I get that it makes it easier for you to hate people, but the word "extreme" is reserved for outliers, not norms.
By the way, feminists include Maya Angelou, Susan B. Anthony, Coco Chanel, and Beyonce. I can keep going but here's a list instead. Go ahead, pick out the ugly ones and hold on for dear life to them and disregard the ones who don't fit your rude opinion.
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/g4201/famous-feminists-throughout-history/
You yourself talked about stereotyping the most extreme feminists, sweetie.
Sorry but you ignored the part where I pointed out feminists who are not fat and ugly like you claimed, and I see that I did use the word extreme looking back now. Still, the words fattest and ugliest was used, which is why I used extreme, because those are extreme descriptions.
Y'all can downvote, I know to expect that from this sub, but the way I see it, the law was simply consistent with how it always was, and the concept that this is a "victory" for men's rights nuts is ridiculous. This wasn't a groundbreaking case, any guy who wants custody of their kid can fight for it, and statistically they have an equal chance for custody if they choose to do so. It's stupid to act like the reason this is unique isn't because the guy actually wants the baby and the woman doesn't, we all know what the law was made for. It was written because fathers tend to walk away from their baby for whatever reason, we know this is a very common occurrence, and it was proven to negatively impact the mother and child's quality of life while making no impact on the father's. It was written to protect people from that situation, and the law was written fairly to protect any parent from that situation, but we know which parent it happens to more. What you guys are really celebrating here isn't that the guy overcame the odds of the law being on his side (because he didn't defy the odds.. the law was written to protect this exact situation).. the odds that were defied was that the father actually wanted his baby and the mother didn't.
The fact that you're celebrating this shitting on the woman and feminists in general (I'm correcting myself, I did bring up the term extreme), is what makes me think you must be shitty people. Not the fact that the guy won custody or child support, I'm happy for him on achieving that and I'm not surprised that he was able to. But you guys, your glee, your slandering feminists for some reason like they have something to do with this, your acting like women never says it's unfair to men when they're forced to pay child support for the kid they didn't want to have, your attitudes making an enemy out of feminists and women, that's what I have a problem with.
Can you post a link to the statistics?
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Men have a "statistically equal chance for custody" ONLY because the ONLY time men have a fucking prayer for full custody is when the mother is ridiculously unfit. Yes, in THOSE cases where the woman is ridiculously unfit the men have an equal chance. Go fuck your biased statistics.
This isn't a victory for men's rights. It's a victory for the father and the daughter who is now guaranteed to have at least one loving parent. I'm positive the father and daughter are going to have a great relationship, I'm happy for them.
Tone policing will get you banned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Hoff_Sommers
Here is one of the original bra-burning feminists that think you all are out of your fucking minds. So yeah, you don't all stand together. Many of you are extremists, as identified by those you think stand with you. And on reddit. Definitely makes me think you are one of them.
Here's a rude opinion: Fuck you
No, but the ones who talk about it in public are probably fat incels with the social skills of a turnip. Smart men have better things to talk about in public settings.
I'm sure you think Trump qualifies as a "smart man", so just from the get-go our standards are probably incompatible.
Apex fallacy, he is not the norm for expected behavior and emulating him will not lead to success for most men.
I'm actually relieved to hear you say that.
Holy shit, your irrationality is embarrassing all us females who are trying to lurk on this sub.
Really well done on including those quotes and the (upvotes) - it really gives a good bit of context and shows the attitudes of those involved.
A child is for life, not just for Christmas, this woman wasn't raped and she wasn't coerced into having sex with this guy - you don't get to do the deed, see the pregnancy through to conclusion and then just walk away with no responsibilities - it's sociopathic to expect you can do so.
I like how he's "sued" for Child Support too, this may well be the standard legal parlance but it seems to have these lot triggered. From my perspective it's the Father making sure that he's got at least some recognition of her responsibility to the kid and a token payment to help out and make sure the kid doesn't go without.
Woman when this happens with female: "You go girl! Don't let this dead-beat get away with it!"
Woman when this happens with male: "Law needs changing. He's a criminal."
Just to rub a little salt in that wound. In the case of men, rape is no excuse not to pay child support. If you are too young to pay child support? To bad your parents are on the hook for it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
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absolutely, Family court is 100% driven by siphoning funds from people to the state, lawyers, and "experts".
Not only do they want child support, they want to pay their buddies who are "child welfare specialists" to make sure the kids are safe and collect their 2k+ bills.
Unfortunately women do not understand that the minute you start a hostile divorce she and the ex husband lose. All that money will go to the lawyers. Of course the lawyers always let them know that he can get more for her and try to make it hostile.
Lawyer reporting in. He is correct. Most lawyers pad the bills and avoid early settlement to maximize the bill.
What lawyers tell you: "Fight for your rights and for justice.
Something my lawyer never told me: "If you want to fight there is probably going to be very little left in the end to fight over. You are such a dumb ass. You married this person and lived with her for years. Fucking meet with her sorry ass and work it out like a man."
Of course that approach can't work because HER lawyer will be telling her to "Fight for your rights, and don't talk to your husband or meet with him without your lawyer.
Its not going to be enough to kill all the lawyers. The entire rotten system is the problem.
There is always a sad touch of irony when to couple has to sell the house they were fighting over to pay the legal bills.
Or when they have to liquidate 401ks. Lawyer gets his cut, government gets to tax the shit out of it for an early withdrawal and the ex-wife gets nothing anyways.
We both knew it. Our lawyers didn't try to stretch it out. We were both so pissed at each other we couldn't help but spend $20k to split up no kids and almost no money. And she won. I gave probably $40k more than I should have just to get it over with. Honestly, I like my lawyer more and preferred giving him the money but it wasn't worth the drama anymore.
Plus it's complete bullshit because the same women would be saying rah rah go girl go if it was him who wanted her to terminate and she wanted to keep it, get custody, and sue for child support. It's God damn pathetic
It's so hilarious... since this is the exact situation that so many men get wrangled into.
This is why women are so obsessive about their reproductive rights. In this case, the father exercised his rights as any women can (keep the child and demand support). They so militantly try to keep men from getting to do this because this is how they avoid what they hate the most... responsibility.
Devil's advocate: making abortion difficult to get and forcing child support on the mother will increase the amount of women who use infanticide as a means to get out. The chance to hurt the baby, even pre-born, is much higher for mothers than fathers.
There is a really strong correlation between areas that have a high density of poor blacks and "SIDS." That's "sudden infant death syndrome."
Now don't get me wrong, there are plenty of cases of legitimately impossible to determine child deaths, it's a diagnosis of exclusion. You could probably reasonably determine the portion of these diagnosis that are in fact, random and undetermined by looking at the rates in highly affluent areas with strong conservative values.
Then you could compare those rates with highly liberal (or outright antisocial), poor, black communities and see how high that rate is.
So what you'll see is a rise in "SIDS."
Which is still more difficult than getting an abortion. If I want my child to live, then I want it to be difficult for her to kill it.
Shit, her child support won't be even close to what a man will be forced to pay, and they don't apply all the penalties to girls either. Bro of mine had his wife walk out, leave the kids, and sign them over completely, in the same state I got divorced in. They had 4 kids, I had 2. I made less than $2k a month on active duty, she was making $3000 a month. The same exact state hit me with 71% of my gross, and her with 10% of her net.
He asked why it was so low, they told him it is against state law to force someone into poverty. Last time I checked, the $100-$300 a month I got after the 71% was well under poverty. State law said 68% was the max, but they hit me with 71%. No lawyer in the state would fight for me either, even if I could afford them.
They're outraged, but this little cunt wont get fucked by the pittance they'll "request" her to pay. She won't go to jail when she gets behind. She won't get her passport revoked, nor her drivers license, and her credit won't be fucked into the 200s. There's far more than one double standard.
Assuming she even bothers to pay it in the first place.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/136404/
200s? Shit I didn't even know the score went that low! :lol:
Don't mean to make light of the situation, but I had to laugh at that man.
The lowest possible credit score is 300.
It is, but only if you are a bad debtor and payments are not regularly obtained from you ie classic overspending - having a non-dis-chargeable recurring debt which supersedes all other debts... well under 300 it is.
Damn, you are a serious survivor. 71% hahaha. Perseverance 10/10
"Mommy, when I grow up I want to be an SJW."
"Pick one or the other sweetie, you can't do both."
It's always the males fault. I'm just glad he got custody of his daughter since her mother didn't even want her. Also it's good she's paying child support, she helped get herself pregnant by not using any form of birth control.
I love this sort of shit!
What is shows, sadly is, how women view children as an econimic resource, and when the resource doesnt worj for them, the repsonse is "kill it!" or throw it into the state foster system.
Thats some cold shit.
Yep, the meme we use needs some changes:
--Men Love women
--Women love
Childrenthemselves and pretend to love children so long as it benefits them---Children love dogs
It's funny, I was on a mountain hike yesterday where the side of the trails drop you down pretty far. Like you'd get seriously hurt if you fell. As we're walking past this couple with multiple children, the dad is holding one kids hand who's excited as shit and jokingly says, "I think he's trying to pull me down the mountain."
The mom was in the back holding her son's hand as the kid says "I'm gonna pull you down too mom, lol." The mom's word-for-word reply went, "pshhht, yeah right, I'll just let go."
I laughed so hard at that. The dad was totally ready and willing to follow his kid down the mountain if push came to shove but momma bear is like, "fuck that, I'm saving myself."
That's what we call a joke you fucking spaz.
It reveals an obvious truth. But way to add to the discussion Mr. MGTOW!
So true.
I have seen this shit time and time again with women doing whatever the fuck they like, for some grasp at "happiness".
Men are definitely the romantics, be that women, children, country..
What are the stats on men with custody? I have custody of my 16 year old son and have had it four 14 years. She ran off when he was born, filed child support on me at once. Of course I had no attorney and received the stipulations I had to be supervised for visits with my son because I yelled at her once. It didn't matter that she spent all of the bill money on nails, hair getting done and clothing, I'm the monster. Of course she tells me that if I try to see my son she'd acuse me of rape or hitting her. For two years see my son once. Life moves on and I get married and my wealth increases, hire attorney and take her to court. It should be noted I hired a bad ass female attorney, she ended up winning an election to county DA. She came in like a boss and found a judge that heard our case. Dude must have been red pilled because he started asking her questions like where's she been working and how many times she's moved and how many relationships she's been in. She lies, gets caught by my attorney, thanks to Facebook. Also, my attorney finds a CPS complaint against her for drugging my son and leaving him alone to go to a concert. No one told me about this of course. It was filed by her grandmother who just got through testifying how wonderful she was, looks like granny lied under oath.
Basically she tried to say I'm out of control etc...she loses I win. I get my son back. Everything is wonderful right? Nope. I'm still paying child support. We took the paper work over to the child support office to get it stopped and those sjw tricks refuse to stop it and lose my court paper work. Six months later I call the judge leave him a message about what all has been going down. He has his clerk call me back, has me pick up a new order to take over to the child support office. I drop it off and 3 months later nothing. I've been paying her 9 months of child support for a kid she doesn't have. She could give the money back to me right? Lol nope. Call the judge and this dude is based, he sent two deputies over with a court order and if it's not completely compiled at once, the director of the office was going to be arrested on the spot for contempt of court. It was a Christmas miracle because they stopped! I went down and filed child support on her a week later. 14 years later and my case is still pending.....still pending. I get a call every now and again asking me why I haven't been paying child support, I have to fax all my paperwork over and I get now where. When she filed on me the case was done in 2 weeks. I'm at 14 years and I get comments about how I'm a shit bag and it's not real manly of me. Oh well, I will never see a dime. My case for those 9 months I paid in error is still pending after 14 years. She was provided with an attorney when she filed child support against me, I have been treated like shit. So nothings changed.
Man that is unbelievable! So after 14 years, she hasn't paid you a dime for child support?? Let alone pay back the 9 months of child support she shouldn't have received. The law is fucked.
Yep, they claim they can't find her to serve the papers. She lives in government housing. So that's bullshit. The good thing is my son is old enough to know what's up.
In my State you could hire a private process server to file the papers. Then if she avoids service you can post by taping it to her door. That's not your problem. Your problem is her Section 8 housing. If she's on welfare with no source of income then what do you do? You can't garnish food stamps.
Do what they do to men who are broke and homeless or lose their jobs or injure and cant pay child support, put her in prison. Then when she still cant pay up, place her back.
You are one of that "majority of men who go for equal custody get it" group. This is a typical story except for the earnestness of the judge who is clearly sick of the biased system. I would bring a show cause against the government child support attorney and /or the assistant. Check with a local attorney but especially if you can get before that judge on your unpaid child support petition only good things can happen.
“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” - Thomas Sowell
YES
Thomas Sowell should have been our first black President. I'm genuinely upset with him for not playing a different role in society. But I guess, to each his own.
Are you kidding me pal? Ben Carson was called an Uncle Tom and he was a distinguished neurosurgeon, can you even imagine the sort of reception Sowell would have gotten standing up and preaching for "Massa"?
The fact he's an advocate of actual Capitalism and The Free Market won't matter shit to the Crony Corporatists or the SJW's who're oh-so-similar.
Ben Carson wasn't really capable of defending himself properly. Sowell would be much better at it and at explaining to black people why and how the left is using them.
He has some good YouTube videos exposing the fact that minimum wage was originally instituted in order to discriminate against black people.
Sowell seems a lot more.... there. Carson's Christian rants and beta demeanor screwed him.
That's a really interesting point, there's so much focus on how the media portrays presidential candidates that it's sometimes difficult to remember that their individual personality counts - but of course it does - and Carson was definitely lacking, no argument there.
Regarding Sowell though, I do stand by my original point, he won't even get a chance to speak his piece when he's getting called "An establishment shill that's been banging the drum for big business oligarchy for decades." Can't you just see it?
Totally, and plenty will fall for that. But I really think we need a black Republican leader more than we need to fear their Uncle Tom shaming tactics.
They all get their chance to speak their piece, it's just a matter of whether people are listening. Most minorities would be somewhat open to him I think, it's the ones that are already passionately left wing that will follow that line of thinking.
Hate on it all you want, identity politics is a strong tactic and we must use it against these leftist scum.
I agree that you must fight fire with fire but the trouble is we get a 'pendulum' effect (got it already to be fair) where people swing hard to one political extreme and then the other, for example I think it's likely the next President after Trump will be a Socialist sympathiser like Warren or maybe even Sanders if the old git survives long enough.
It'd be better if politicians spoke to the public directly rather than trying to weave a media narrative that puts them in a good light, so much for lofty dreams eh?
It's well-poisoning that you've got to watch out for when you get competent right-wingers anywhere near mainstream government, they can't risk the power structure being in peril!
Carson is gifted and frankly one of the most intelligent of the candidates but far from cut-throat Hillary or Troll-Trump. It is not even the same sport they play, he would have not survived the actual elections past the primaries.
I am British and have only just recently discovered Thomas Sowell after searching YouTube for Milton Friedman videos - they've appeared together a few times I believe - and he is an amazing speaker, economist and a very grounded, rational thinker.
I've got Friedman's 'Capitalism and Freedom' in a box from Amazon waiting to be opened, I'll be getting one of Sowell's books not long after I'm done.
Glad you discovered him. Thomas Sowell has been the man for longer than many TRP readers have been alive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo
Basic Economics is the best book you'll ever read.
That's a lofty statement to make for me; I've read some great books.
If you like that type of thing yourself I highly recommend "REBEL: How to overthrow the emerging Oligarcy, by Douglas Carswell"
Check out the audio book versions of his books from Blackstone Audio. Far better than the audible versions where some guy read it in his den for a few thousand bucks.
https://www.downpour.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Thomas+Sowell#q=Thomas%20Sowell&idx=live_audy_en_en_products_release_date_unix_desc&p=0&is_v=1
Or go on a torrent site...
If you had to pick one book from Sowell, where should I start?
The Thomas Sowell Reader ?
Basic Economics 5th Edition
https://www.downpour.com/basic-economics-fifth-edition?sp=108534
For anyone interested in the free version.
https://youtu.be/dQiBD-crrvA
The entire audio book is 24 hours long, that's only 9 hours long.
you should also read some Bastiat
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Taking care of my baby is difficult but certainly worth it. I feel like I have something to live for! My family has been super helpful and with their help we can make sure my daughter is happy. I also got a promotion at work. I realized that I need to be more ambitious because I now have a baby to provide for. A higher position was open at my work and I asked for the promotion but they told me I'm too young. I offered to do the job for as a trial 1 month without any extra pay only to prove that I can do it. After a month they gave me the job!
Of course they closed it, God forbid that people know the man is actually trying to provide for his child.
Woman decides to keep a child, raises it, man pays support for 18 years - that's ok.
Woman decides to give up a child, father raises it, woman pays support for 18 years - well, guess what?
That's ok too. Welcome to real feminism where both genders are treated equally.
The man isn't even trying to suck the life out of his ex like a parasitic piranha. He wants to channel the child support money for his daughters education, and the SJWs have a problem with that? Pathetic bunch!
Is everyone who disagrees an SJW? I always thought SJWs were the more "extreme" of the social justice types to the point where it's almost a parody of itself.
Like, you've got people who think refusing to hire black people is wrong (legitimate social justice concern) and people who think if you don't like Beyonce you're automatically racist - and will flame you incessantly for it (social justice warrior).
That being said, even the users against the guy don't come off as "SJWs," and the posts disagreeing with them are getting more upvotes. In fact, most of the lowest rated posts are ones demonizing the man.
The double standard is obvious and disgusting. When a man pays it's almost as if it is just meant to be that way. It's like a tradition to feminists and they feel entitled. Opposite? The sky is falling and their blood curdling screeches can be heard for miles.
I read it on social media about celebrities as well. A couple will separate and the woman takes the man to court and is totally entitled to alimony and child support. Women praise it; the men complaining are called superficial pigs. I mean, some men pay tens or even hundreds of thousands a month. Some of these women didn't even work a single second for that money. But if a man makes such a request and wins it, the guy is a pathetic loser who should go get a job.
I know all too well of the discrepancies of justice within the Family Court system. As a young man in my late teens I was tricked into getting a girl I had been dating for a few weeks pregnant. She was on birth control, but didn't take it intentionally... by the time I learned that it was too late, obviously. I was dragged through Family Court. She said she didn't want support, but as soon as we got in front of the Magistrate and he asked her if she did, she said yes. I was going to college and worked part time making like $100 a week (hours cut due to holidays being over).
Time went on and she collected my money, but used it to buy cigarettes, pay for her cell phone and more. It was to the point that my family and I paid for everything while I paid child support. Food, diapers, formula, wipes, toys, medicine, copays, etc. We paid for 99% of it.
The mother have up custody and I had joint with the maternal grandmother, who had been great up to that point. A little goofy, but good. She didn't work weekdays so she had residential while I worked fulltime by then. She signed up for some grandparent grant that kicked us back into family court. Child support started and I even fell into arrears due to administrative issues. They garnished big portions of my paycheck. At least it was supposedly being used for my daughter, who I really had half of the time.
One day the grandmother can't do it anymore out of the blue, calls me while I'm with my dying grandmother to tell me as such, and we meet her at my home where she drops off my daughter with some stuff. I file for sole custody and get it, but child support is still being taken out of my check. I literally had residential and sole custody, but kept paying because the courts had archived my support case and it took a long time. Hundreds of dollars biweekly. I was able to get it frozen after awhile, but the grandmother had taken a lot of it to get her nails done, but a brand new iPad, get new clothes, etc. I get back what was frozen, but I doubt I'll ever see the hundreds of other dollars she owes me.
The mother tries to get joint custody after abandoning my daughter multiple times. It's denied multiple times, and I'm told to file for child support by my lawyer. I do and it's granted to me. $50 a week plus half of all uncovered medical expenses. She is visibly upset. I'm happy. Equality, bitch... or so I thought.
She doesn't pay her child support at all. Not a single cent. She doesn't work, had another kid with another guy, doesn't try and find work, etc. I petition the court to have the support enforced. She doesn't show... twice. I lost 2 days of work for nothing. Arrest warrant put out for her, which sounds dandy. She gives herself up 2 days later, I drive like a maniac 45 minutes in torrential downpour to get to the court, and am told by the Magistrate that they won't arrest her because it won't help her get a job. She supposedly sets up appointments with the Dept of Labor to show she will try, but never goes through with seeing them. Still no support collected.
Now it is 2.5 years later, she's over $6k in arrears, I've petitioned again for it to be raised and enforced... so we will see what happens. All I know is that if it was opposite, I'd be titled a "Deadbeat Dad," arrested, have stuff taken away from me, etc. Her? She lives off the government, plays the "woe is me" act about how she has another child, etc. Nothing happens.
And this is all really about support, not custody. That was a hole just as deep.
I'm glad this guy got the child and the child support. The fact that the double standard is evident and somehow justifiable in the minds of feminists is disgusting. Men/Fathers have rights, and I hope that such inconsistencies have more light shed on them. But maybe they won't, because any time such s topic is brought up, they cover their ears, close their eyes and scream. Just look at how they acted when some colleges wanted to play The Red Pill documentary! People protested, ripped down signs, etc. Men's Rights Activists are often protested, demeaned, called vile names and more.
Jesus Christ dude. And THIS type of (not uncommon) shit is why I',m always annoyed to hear about "the sanctity of motherhood" and all that other nonsense. A lot, and I mean a LOT of them are shit humans, period.
Yeah, this woman literally destroyed my life. I love my daughter and she's an amazing child; caring, loving, compassionate are all words to describe her. But I wasn't ready at 19 to be a father. And this girl decides to trick me and then bail and never have any consequences for her actions, or lack thereof.
My mental health deteriorated faster than a decomposing body in a heatwave. She blackmailed me, threatened me, and fabricated vile lies about me. Not one time did she get in trouble. I started having chest pains around the time of my most stress, o my being 25ish at the time. I started having panic attacks so immense I thought I was going to die. I still, to this day, deal with the glowing embers of anxiety that flare up from time to time. I've lost many opportunities and a lot of freedoms due to her. Yes, I could've ran and abandoned my daughter, but I could never have the heart to do that.
I'm glad to see father's rights finally having a light shown on them. I have friends who have similar issues as mine, but they weren't as fortunate. Their exes run them through the vicious system, leaving them hopeless, with little money, and depressed.
Entrapping a man into unwilling fatherhood should be considered a crime of its own. I mean, if you take the condom off during sex people are saying that is an example of a man raping a woman, so why shouldn't a woman tricking a man into pregnancy not be a crime? Not rape, but just something.
You are one of life's everyday heroes.
Thank you, friend. I wouldn't have been able to do it without my family for sure. My parents and sister helped out immensely. I don't know how single parents without any helping family do it.
It's funny, because on Facebook I've been "called out" for following and commenting on public men's rights pages, even by guys on my friends list. People commenting on articles and stories have chastised me for commenting in favor of men's rights. I am not blind - every case and scenario is unique. But overall feminists - both male and female - rule in favor of the woman no matter what.
Can someone post this story on tumblr and let us observe what happens?
Sounds like a great way to get doxxed
Shit like this is why I'm a right-wing douchebag.
I'm "anti-left" at this point, I vote against all their interests, doesn't matter really for whom.
Similar situation to mine: I married the wrong woman, get her pregnant, and after 2 years of marriage we split. She took me to court for custody and I lost the initial fight, was ordered to pay $800 per month to her until he was 18. This occurred 4 years ago, 2 years ago I wont custody of my son and has child support reversed, she pays about 1/4th of what I paid. If she wants to be a part of my sons life, she should support him as I was required to do.
So you have to understand: Anything that benefits women is GOOD, but anything that is to their detriment is BAD, even if it was the same thing that was GOOD when it helped women.
The posts with the highest amount of upvotes support the man - they believe it is GOOD.
One commenter states:
There is no vitriol from the MRA/TRP side, just satisfaction in knowing that the scales can be balanced. Even the OP chimes in with actual vitriol.
It's not brigading, its what happens when the other side speaks up within your echo chamber. Don't be surprised when that voice is louder than you expected.
Society absolves women of all responsibility.
Everything that happens with marriage, infidelity, abortion, child support, divorce... all of it... is designed to absolve women of responsibility and to make men pay.
These rare cases where the genders get flipped emphasise how real the narrative is and how much people are invested in it.
Jack Nicholson nailed it with this line from "As Good as it Gets" (1997).
Well in the past, when you had the balls, it was really your fault. Women's infidelity? Keep your bitch in line - or throw her out, remember fault-divorce was standard. Marriage sucked? Suck it up, and get your bitch in line. Child support? Bitch had to do chores around the house so no income, which is justifiable.
All of those expectations carried over to post-feminism but the structures which made such assumptions righteous are long gone.
What's gone is female obligation. There is no obligation or expectation on her to be a good wife, to be a good person, to be chaste, to be a good mother, be a good wife etc.
All the pressures on women have disappeared, all the pressures on men have remained and had more added.
My mother epitomised this... "I'm not doing the cleaning just because it's a woman's job to do it, that's sexist!" immediately followed by "I can't fix the car, I know nothing about them".
THOT: I saw that "agency thingy" around here somewhere...must have lost it in my purse, tee hee.
White Knight: Don't worry Miss, you don't need it to get everything you want.
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I pay $800/mo for support and an supposed to pay another $200/mo for a babysitter. It can definitely put you into poverty.
This is my takeaway exactly. Astounding to see the mental gymnastics they are favoring over rationally analysing the situation.
This topic is so so sweet, all men should know their rights and most importantly study law so they can troll these smart ass women who think they can win in all and every instance.
Wow so many people are saying well if this is reverse people will still call the women a bitch...umm how do you think the term deadbeat dad came from?
Equality. It's what feminists advocated for. Don't get mad when it fucks you in the ass, too.
SJWs arguments basically are name calling and derailment, if they have mod status they outright threaten you. So yes even the most BP guys and gals would rather see the kid growing up with a dad who cared enough to fight for custody when mom freely reloquished all of her motherly duties. But this goes against the carefully crafted victim pyramid.
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Freeze your sperm, get a vasectomy.
When Ms. Right comes along, get your sperm and have a healthy baby.
Thats a good man! He'll be there for the kid and thats all that matters. The people writing the disgusting comments are probably all single fat dyed pink hair and hate all men even in this case. Its just a shame we are taught to do the right thing w ad campaigns telling us to be good fathers to be there for our kids and then everyone in that society deems the man not a man when something like this happens. I get sick to my stomach thinking about the hate this guy gets for being a good dad a good man and generally a good person.
This is one of the most beautiful stories I've ever read. That dude deserves my respect, I'm sure he will be a fine dad.
Kinda off topic, but when I was younger my mother left out of nowhere and it was just me, my dad, and my younger brother.
She quit her job that paid $20 in the early 90's and ran off with another guy. Courts gave my dad full custody of my younger brother and I on the account she was not fit to have custody.
My dad was granted child support for us. He got $1.60 a week, and was embarrassed to cash the checks. Ridiculous honestly.
But in the end it taught me work ethic. Got a job, and helped with the bills.
I didn't see how much the guy in this story got. But I'm sure it's less than he would have had to pay if she had done it to him.
I want to say, as a woman, this chick who got pregnant should be paying child support. If she didn't want her offspring in the world she shouldn't have had one. Having a child, regardless of whether you have full custody or no custody, will likely cost you money. If anything, this proves she's an idiot.
I hope that baby girl has a great life with a daddy who fought hard for her.
'She should have killed her baby because rather than giving it to strangers, her biological dad took it and now wants money to raise it'
'Feminist btw xd'
We want equality!! No not that kind, we mean equal share of just the good stuff!!
Single dad here, I think this is a great example of how unbelievably warped most people are, particularly on "the internet". I've been through the whole ridicule bs, I've been called a woman hater, I've been treated like a criminal at friend of court, and even though I have both kids (one of which isn't even mine), I STILL have to pay CS. The law is bullshit, and after this, I will never respect law, or any asshole that thinks he/she knows what is better for me or MY kids.
Am I the only one who is seeing all the top comments saying, I guess if the roles were reversed he would have to pay child care so it's fair.?
Probably not
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This is fucking beautiful. Fuck the SJW's and their hypocrisy. Good on that dude. I'm sure he'll be an awesome parent. And.. having a kid is like a gold mine for 'he's a good guy'. lol. Nice to see the tables turned for a change.
See, what should have actually happened is that she should have signed over her rights as a parent (different than custody rights). Then she would have no claim on the kid and he is the only parent on the birth certificate. I'm not sure if that can actually happen in this case, but this is how it goes when the roles are switched.
No offense, and I know I'm going to get downvoted into oblivion...but I don't think most of you guys even read the thread OP linked.
Because if you guys did, you would have saw there were many members who were defending the guy and saying she deserved to pay childsupport, I feel like a lot of you just read the title of this TRP thread and went straight to type out a comment.
Obviously there were people supporting the woman, but this is Reddit so thats this is expected, but there were so many people defending the man that I was very impressed.
We need a new Constitutional Amendment:
Shut down the Family Courts, repeal Child Support laws and end all forms of Divorce Rape.
Normal healthy relationships between men and women will quickly be restored.
All these screwed up laws are destroying the potential for family love as it undermines the natural forces of Natural Law that actually guide behavior.
The laws attempt to invert reality... so that's how we got things this fucked up.
The only opportunity there is for that to happen is women getting screwed. Nobody cares about men.
But what politicians and burocrats care about even more than women is money. So they will never shut those systems down. They make too much money getting their cut. They will promise reform after reform when the previous one failed again. They will end up creating a convoluted system with layers and layers of laws, but they will never shut it down. The system needs to collapse before it can get better. That's how history show us empires work.
Empires are very slow to decline.
Corruption increases... men get demoted to lower and lower status.
The "Whore of Babylon" is the model of Feminism ancient and modern.
http://www.theologyoftheages.com/images/big/whore-of-babylon-materialism.png
Men bow down "below" women while women hold the money and rule the government beast.
Yes, empires are very slow to decline. We will not probably see the end of it, just a slow decline. Our children might not see the end either.
But this is the part of the cycle we have been born into. We are technology monkeys and we have our collective way of behaving marked by our instincts. No point in fighting the natural trend and just make the best of it.
These are exciting times to be Red Pill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki
As I often write:
We "Kill the Beta" and expose the filth women do and how corrupted the Globalist Tyranny has become.
As long as your Amused Mastery takes pleasure in destroying the Blue Pill myths these are great times.
Destroy with pleasure.
The rider atop the white horse is symbolically 777.
Jesus on a horse? That's new to me, which book?
Who said Jesus?
My point is that we are in an age where the destruction is the dominant theme.
"Enjoy the Destruction" of the Blue Pill mythology.
Take pleasure in doing it.
The number seven in hebrew is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zayin
This post gives me the biggest justice boner. Good on this guy. Shame on those who lamented the court ruling. This happens to men all of the time. I'm glad when I see the tables turned like this. Fuck the bluepilled sjw cucks on this site, hypocrites.
feminism isnt about equality - its a hate movement. And thus, this answers the question as to why when the stated goals of feminism are enacted, women quickly hate them.
Aren't we also being hypocrites by not being angered by the mans actions tho?
What the fuck is this retarded shit? I don't want to pay for a cheating whore, but I'm going to take care of my children.
Although I agree that there is Bias on who takes the child support money as in man vs woman, I do kind of think it was a low move to say I want the baby and then request child support. It really brings home of an ulterior motive.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen to men around the country all the time, I'm just saying that it was a confusing motive.
If the guy wanted the kid, smart man. Why have remorse doing something like this? It's his kid and he got the kid. Fuck everyone else.
Greatest argument for not restricting your opponent's speech. If it's wrong, let them talk. They're just putting on their dunce cap for everyone to see.
Stories likes this make me want to beat the shit out of twox
Honestly I think it's just disrespectful towards women that we normally allow them to take advantage of these double standards. They're not that weak, they can do the work and support themselves and others - but they've got everyone convinced that they need help, because people let them. Feminism is pretty frighteningly brilliant in how they shift the frame to nullify those arguments... also pretty fucking stupid. We're willfully allowing them to be spoiled, pathetic little shits. I think it's disrespectful to not expect much from women when they're capable of more, and horrifyingly pathetic on society's (especially men's) part to allow them to be lazy like that.
This right here is the only think I need to see to know this guy will be a good father. A bunch of people wanted this little girl aborted? Wtf... Humanity is gone.
Did you folks even read the post? So many bullshit comments here.
"with his ex signing over her custodial rights."
Typically, when custodial rights are voluntarily terminated, child support obligations typically cease.
How do I know this? I was in a similar situation with my son, and his mother signed away her custodial rights releasing her from any and all responsibilities, period. Including her right to see him. That is up to me. This happens alot more often than you think, male or female. It happened to a friend years back, the dude wasn't interested in raising the child and signed his rights away.
Ya'll dudes are ridiculous...
With that being said...if she signed her rights away and somehow signed an agreement to pay, but didn't realize what the fuck she was signing, damn right she should be pissed - what human, male or female, wouldn't be? Also, do any of you know the state he lives in, his attorney, etc? Probably not.
Ya'll are so hateful against women right now that you totally overlook the LAW in favor of your "if this happened to a woman zomg, she'd be getting handouts, etc. blah blah blah!"
Brush up on the facts, and the law ya fuckin jokers. Sick of seeing this whiny bullshit on this sub. Let's stick to self improvement, and game instead of running off at the mouth like a bunch of gossiping bitches.
Did you read the comments and look at the amount of upvotes different responses got?
Most people saying the situation is shitty also clarified they believe forcing men to pay child support for children they don't want is also shitty.
The comments siding with the guy get more upvotes than those siding with the woman - the comments that demonize the man are the comments with the most downvotes.
Yes, that is one of the highest rated comments, but look at this response to that quote:
More responses to the things you quoted:
Majority of people are supporting the idea of the mother paying child support and viewing the man's uses of it positively.
You even edited one of the posts to make it look like it was more against your position and men than it actually is. You quoted:
The part you intentionally cut out?
You tried to interpret those comments and make it like people make excuses for women, etc., but the reality is the comments and their ratings show the OPPOSITE of what you're trying to point out. And you clearly know that but just want to be a victim yourself based on the way you edited out last one.
These people are sick in the head. Aborting an eight month old fetus is unquestionably murder. Murder just to save money.
I've no problem with abortions, but anything 3rd term is considered a baby, since from 7 months on, the child can and will survive even without intensive medical care.
First term abortions? Go right ahead.
Second term?
Case by case, since after 5.5 months the baby can technically survive(There was a case in UK I think where a girl was born at around this point, sure she spent the next two and a half years in an incubator while her body finished developing to the same level as a regular term baby, but still).
Also, most congenital diseases(Down's syndrome, mental defects, organ defects, etc) are tested for before the second trimester, so no problem there.
I think you meant to say 4.5 months...fetuses as young as 20 weeks have survived outside the womb. I don't think abortion should be legal after 20 weeks....after that they should induce birth.
damned if you do and damned if you don't
No adoption needed, simply travel to another state, and drop off the baby anonymously through safe haven laws. Mother fucked up hard hence why we rarely see cases like this.
Typical SJW hypocrisy. Child support is usually for the child's benefit. No it is not always fair, and many times it is abused. The man did the right thing by filing for child support from the woman and it is beyond unsurprising that the left SJW victim machine is not a fan.
In my experience "women's rights" refers 100% of the time to abortion AKA the right to define what is life and what is not life. And the sole determination of whether a fetus is going to be human, or is going to be sludge, is how she feels in that moment. It was never about the kid, but if you make it about yourself you become "selfish", so you gotta have proxy power.
There's definitely a double standard here, but why can't you think that what this guy did is just as shitty as a girl doing the same thing?
None of the comments op quotes are saying "this is only wrong because it's a man doing it".
The guy doing it is just as immoral -- but it's in the cause of undermining the foundation of the evil child support law. Besides, I doubt they awarded him anywhere near what he would have had to pay her if she had done it to him.
In either case, the woman is always the one who decides whether the child is born or not. In light of that, I am far more sympathetic when a man is forced to pay for a child he didn't want, and could not decide whether they would be born or not. This woman was completely responsible for this child being born.
There is definitely an argument for why child support should exist - in reasonable amounts, of course. If the woman is not paying an unreasonable amount in this case, then I have no problem with what happened here - even as an MRA and redpiller.
Wow. not for nothing i really am not a fan of you redpillers but i would not have known the extent of this hypocrisy without this post.
It is quite disgusting someone calling the father a dick for daring to get child support from the mother when that is common fucking place for a guy to pay child support lest he labeled "dead beat"
I saw that thread and thought to myself "man I really hope this makes it to TRP because this is golden".
He played that whole scenario perfectly, a sight to behold.
I want everybody to please note... OP put the upvotes next to each comment...
For the first one there were 723 SJW's on reddit that agreed with her! At least 723 people!
I hope she dosen't pay and goes to jail for being a deadbeat mom
This beta males/SJWs... Its so sad to live in that victimhood culture conformed by people who can´t deal with life´s obstacles and past wrong choices. This guy deserves the best, Im sure he will find a lot of troubles along the way. SJWs are no more a revolutionary movement, just look how the media, even the society, glorifies them. Things like "Male privilege" or "Microaggresions" are making a lot of damage to collective conscience. Stay strong and wish you the best of luck!
What disgusts me the most about it is that people are seriously suggesting that she should of aborted the child to avoid having to pay money to the father, i mean how fucked up can you get?
Personally i think abortion should be illegal unless there is a real risk of the mother dying from giving birth or the child will have a poor quality of life due to health issues. Better reasons than i don't want it.
The right way to avoid the need for that kind of abortion (against either partner having to pay child support) is for the law to stop awarding child support and always treat the single parent as having adopted the child. And the best way to get there is to make this case happen more often.
Total and utter hypocracy. There is no logic whatsoever that it should work any different if it was the woman claiming child support. And to suggest that they woman should have aborted the guys child if she had known he was going to claim child support....i am speechless.
Typical hypocritical femnazis.
Reddit is disgusting. The referenced comments are proof.
So you're telling me (and most of the commentators, it seems) it's an injustice when a man is forced to support an unwanted child but when it happens to a woman it's all good?
The problem is the legal and societal double standard due to women having the choice to abort and men not offered a similar choice financially, not comments outraged at someone's injustice.
It's called signing over custodial rights.
If you actually bothered to give an unbiased representation of the comment section of that post, we would all see that the commenters are overwhelmingly praising the father and agreeing with his course of action:
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etc.
How about making a quality contribution, instead of whining about "muh men's rights issues!" where there are none? Of course, those who commented and upvoted this post are also at fault for not bothering to click the link first.
His post was well-designed, organized, presentable, and brought an important issue/topic to our attention. What about that doesn't deserve an upvote?
Is an isolated case an important issue? Don't we have enough of these posts about feminists on twoxchromosomes and askwomen every single day?
You don't really get it.
This isn't about the woman being a cunt (quite frankly, I think that whole story is made up, probably in order to make the point OP has made) - this story is about assloads of redditors paying lip-service to gender equality, but at the end of the day being sanctimonious self-righteous double standard-having women are wonderful-believing assholes.
Respect for the tag, but don't we know this stuff already? I've been a subscriber for two years and I've seen countless posts like this one, and I'm sure you have as well. I can understand that this may be helpful as a paradigm shift for new subscribers that are still plugged in, but there are many others just like it for them to feast their eyes on. What does the community as a whole stand to gain from this type of posts?
I'd also like to direct you to this post, it expresses my view on this better than I can.
I think the value of a thread like this isnt with a positive "improve your game/finance/whatever" advice type of thread. Its more in the vein of "watch your back, this is what to do if shit gets real".
I get that it seems kind of annoying and whining in nature. A lot of that part is exaggerated I guess to front page it. The thing is its not that valueless a whine where it is just sooking. It does discuss the concept of the dude not getting financially pumped over a kids custody. He even gains at the end of the day.
OP wrote that a majority of comments in that thread were in support of the father, did you read the whole post?
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Yes I did. Paying lip service to it after multiple examples of the opposite is not good enough.
your don't get the point of the post at all
While I agree that there are reasonable posts about it, OP also commented on that.
I concur with that assessment. In fact, there are even people who outright admit that they were biased in favor of the woman in that equation by default, without really thinking about it.
While I agree that he failed to illustrate the situation fully (only giving the other side a quick mention), the fact that what seems to be 40% of the people hate the father is still very telling. These 40% wouldn't be there if this was a mother talking.
40% of the people hate the father? Are we reading the same thread?
The Blue Pill sub called. They want their troll back.
That's a darn good point, but with Reddit you never know which country the up-votes or comments are coming from.
It seemed to me, just judging by attitude alone, a lot of the people in the against-the-Father camp were American Women.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not basing that off anything but an assumption linked to the undeniably entitled nature of a certain class of women in that country, but that's how it seemed to me.
You are missing the point. The point was not that it was unfair because she was a woman. The point is that she wanted to give the kid up and have no parental obligations. She then gave the kid to the other parent instead and will be financially responsible. It was a dick move by the parent who ended up with the kid. The same dick move that women pull all the time and people go crazy in this sub talking about.
Showing happiness for this is hypocritical. And now this sub ud showing the same double standard you called out. We should be just as upset at this father as we would be of a mother who pulled the same crap. This thread is proving all of the detractors of this sub right, we don't come off as someone who wants equality, we want revenge. To be honest, this thread sound like a feminazi post from tumblr.
Mother or father, we need a mechanism in this country to legally allow a parent to give up their child without being held hostage by the other parent.
lol the post is pointing out the hypocrisy that is prevalent in today's society. I think you're the one missing the point.
Who crates the child supports the child. Otherwise it's all of our responsibility.
I knew I'd have to scroll all the way down to find a sensible comment. This woman was trying to do the right thing and kept the baby and tried to find a home for her. Then she got duped and held hostage. This is exactly the type of scheme this sub claims to be against.
The laws in her state actually did NOT give her the option to adopt out if the dad wanted the baby. She just didn't know that.
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Hilarious comments. I wish good luck to father and daughter
I get that this sucks. Guys get shitted on every chance society gets. And usually it's the dad's that's always making the sacrifices that gets shitted on the hardest. I know TRP doesn't really respect Asian culture but it's an old Asian saying that fathers get shitted on despite all the sacrifices they make.
But it's important when you're telling yourselves with posts like this NOT to get bitter with the world and NOT to get demoralized. This is just the way of life. Women will continue getting these social crutches. I have coworkers who are women who don't do shit and all they do is complain about how hard they work even though all they do is hog all the hours and literally use those hours to sit down on their phones rather than work. Meanwhile I get shitted on for other people's inability to work. But if you get bitter and resentful at society, ONLY YOU suffer from it.
I think it's important to be reminded that we live in an unfair society that views men like shit. But it's also important to not let this get you jaded. Worrying too much about things such as these that you cannot control is not very TRP. Just take a deep breath. Understand the world sucks and the advantages are stacked against you. But don't let it change you or make you weaker. Learn from it and become stronger.
Every one of the scum bags deserves to be castrated
I've been following this topic the last week or so and its just disgusting. Some of the comments are just vile. What the hell is wrong with some people?
"It always seems a bit abstract, doesn't it? Other people paying."
As Tyrion Pats you on the back and drops the mic.
Pretty much this.
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so he managed to save his child life, keep it away from the crazy cunt and even got the money?
holy shit, what a legend! maxed out dad level!
Female in-hroup preference is some scary shit.
who in their right fucking mind aborts an 8 month old baby?!?! Fucking sick!!!
I don't really agree with what he did however this is the system we have and you can guarantee the laws fuckong over men will never change until women are negatively effected by them. Considering how many women do this I don't think anyone has a right to be particularly outraged by this though.
He should've stabbed the baby in the face if he didn't want to pay child support /s
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of cases where the guy couldn't get his ex to pay child support
The Blue Pill is so deeply ingrained in our society that when a man utilizes a feminine social convention to his benefit (I pursued child support for the chiilldrenn) he is immediately branded as the enemy.
Ahem..sir..only Women are supposed to do that.
holy fucking shit. I've tagged this to show a few friends.
unreal hypocrisy.
Typical hypocritical femnazis.
He's still a bad person. Shouldn't be going after anyone for child support who never wanted or agreed to be a parent.
Child support is bad, not women.
Supporting your child is not bad. The child support "system" however, like most things, is imperfect.
Being coerced into financially supporting a child you did not agree to be the FUNCTIONAL(not biological) parent of is always bad.
Personal accountability, fuckstick.
You shouldn't be held accountable because you came in some bitch. Plus there are so many ways this shit is abused and she winds up pregnant when you didn't think your semen ever entered her.
Child support is only justifiable if the person signs a contract stating that they are the parent and accept that responsibility, then later decide they don't want to and would rather make payments. Of course, there's holes in this, but parenthood should require consent, period.
Plus, there is no fucking way you can say all men should just assume financial responsibility for any baby that comes from any of their loads. Could you imagine if old genghis had this responsibility? Even he would be broke!
The woman is the only person who gets to decide whether the baby lives or dies. Therefore, she should be responsible for her decision, and no one else, UNLESS a contract is signed.
Edit: my last paragraph is contradictory, I know, but I think you catch what I'm saying. She didn't agree to be a parent, she agreed to have the baby and did it in a responsible manner where the baby would have a caretaker. That caretaker just happened to be a piece of shit.
You can't have it both ways. Either child support is wrong or it isn't. It's not right because it's being imposed on a woman.