Friend's Fiancee Cheats on Him with CHRIS BROWN - An Unbelievable Case Study in Hypergamy

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July 20, 2017

EDIT Since i'm understandably getting people doubting this, I've looked up Chris' whereabouts for the night in question - I'm not posting pictures as it's essentially doxxing this girl and no-one is going to believe it's her anyway, as no one actually knows her.

This story is 100% real. There's photos of Chris with this girl in his car, with her covering her face. I've got them. Anyone can check the background if they're really bothered, it happened a little under a month ago in Vegas, I don't know the name of the place but it was a rooftop bar somewhere.

My good friend and his fiancee of 4 years have been in the U.S since the beginning of the year, he's landed a good IT role and has been flown over there. This girl is his college sweetheart, his first proper girlfriend. This guy is not a beta male, by any stretch. He's in great shape, good looking, has cool hobbies and is naturally red-pilled, minus the "never get married". I've always known him as a Chad and he's been a hound-dog with me growing up, always claiming he'd never "settle down".

His fiancee is gorgeous, they're looksmatched for sure and she's for the most part a down to earth, level headed girl. I've known her for as long as I've known my friend. She works as a nurse and makes good money. He's making average money at the moment but is forecast to be pulling big numbers in a few years.

The information I've been told is she went out with a group of new work friends she's met in LA to Vegas for a weekend for one of their birthdays. When grilled over this my buddy said he knew he shouldn't have let her go but he "never thought" this would happen, since she doesn't drink and is a homebody for the most part. Mistake one.

So my friend is at home working on a project, and his fiancee is out in Vegas. Somehow she ends up at the rooftop bar Chris is at, I was told she started drinking and the rest is history. She messaged my friend saying "I'm with Chris Brown!!!" and apparently he didn't believe her and just wrote back an emoji or something dumb. Mistake two.

This was on the Saturday night, my friend had the details to the hotel they were all supposed to be staying in and had called her on the Friday to check in, and she was fine. He said he didn't think he needed to call her again on the Saturday, and trusted she'd just be home safe with her friends. Mistake three.

Long story short, she went home with Chris, was snapped in the backseat of a limo/one of his cars covering her face. She received a BBC workout and stayed at a hotel with him all day, presumably indulging herself further in the obscenely endowed C.Breeze before he basically kicked her out and she had to get a cab back to the hotel.

She didn't tell my friend for over a week.

He's completely destroyed and is moving back home. I've spoken to him twice, once after it happened and then again today for an update, which is why I decided to make the thread. She's staying with her friends in LA.

The take-home is this.

Hypergamy doesn't care. My friend is a good looking, interesting, red-pilled man who makes good money and has a bright future. It doesn't matter. Chris Brown is a millionaire celebrity, a literal God in the eyes of most women on the planet. His huge dick is public knowledge. He is extremely good looking. He's an asshole. His presence would've been completely and overwhelmingly intoxicating to her, and him taking interest in her would've been simply too much to handle.

Women are slaves to hypergamy. The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality. Chris Brown is better than her fiancee. When a woman cheats with such a high value man, she isn't doing it because she's consciously vindictive towards her partner. It is simply her biological imperative to do so. To NOT cheat with Chris Brown (the highest value man she could conceivably obtain the genetics and resources of) would be a betrayal of her biology.

Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is. Understand hypergamy, don't dwell in bitterness but really understand it and internalize it. There is always a man better than you. Briffault's Law - your relationship and anything you've ever done for a woman means nothing and is forgotten in the face of hypergamy.

And most importantly, and as always gentlemen, AWALT.

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Title Friend's Fiancee Cheats on Him with CHRIS BROWN - An Unbelievable Case Study in Hypergamy
Author gardenofbacchus
Upvotes 899
Comments 422
Date 20 July 2017 01:36 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (29 children) | Copy

I recommend all men live by the very simple standard when it comes to LTRs:.

Failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety is an automatic NEXT!

It's as simple as that. By failing to do so they're demonstrating through their actions they don't have what it takes to be LTR material. PERIOD. Failure to abide by this rule of relationships is how you end up like the guys described in the link below and in OP's story.


So what are examples of apperance of impropriety? A big one is disappearing after a night out with her friends. Realistically if you're in an LTR she shouldn't be out after midnight to begin with. Going out now and then is cool and all, but never with a bunch of single women behaving like she's single too and staying out late. Nothing good happens after midnight if you catch my meaning.

It's not a surefire rule of thumb, but it's a good one nonetheless. If she goes out, then if she's smart she'll be the "stick in the mud" who insists she's home by midnight for example, and most assuredly before the alcohol hits. There will be no staying over at someone else's house where odds are good it really means she's getting smashed by some strange. This is why I say it's better to avoid those girls nights to begin with. Like Father Tom says in the above link, the whole reason women go out to begin with is for male attention, otherwise they'd be drinking their own drinks, listening to their own music, all in thee comfort of their favorite PJs in one of their living rooms.

Another appearance of impropriety is hiding the phone, being secretive about texting, and generally being deceptive about who she's in communication with. This one should be self-explanatory. This is why "Trust, but verify" exists. Maybe the secrecy is something innocent, like planning your surprise party, but the odds are more likely she's in contact with Chad from the office.

[–]cellphon553 points554 points  (143 children) | Copy

Great post.

Mind sharing the pics?

Also, it's just funny that for Chris brown it was a random one night stand hoe, and for the couple it was an apocalyptic event that they will both relive for the rest of their entire lives.

Celebrity appeal and power are very fascinating.

[–]redaftrp311 points312 points  (6 children) | Copy

C. Breezy said it best: "These hoes ain't loyal."

[–]JF803150 points151 points  (2 children) | Copy

"When I call up, she gon leave, and I bet that bottom dolla she gon cheat"

[–]CallMeHaseo22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was literally trying to tell us something in the low

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer57 points58 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP fucked up; there's never a more appropriate time to use that as the post title

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kicking myself for not thinking of that. I actually laughed out loud when I remembered that damn song

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

  • "Why give a bitch an inch when she'd rather have 9"

[–]1Zanford36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've had conversations like this.

Friend or plate: "This friend of my friend dated Celebrity Dude X"

Me (if in a RPing mood): "Would Celebrity Dude X refer to it as 'dated' or just banged her a few times? Come to think of it, would be remember her at all?"

[–]Pragmaticpandas97 points98 points  (98 children) | Copy

For the guy it was an apocalyptic event.. for the girl, I highly doubt she will lose much sleep.

[–]slumdog-millionaire294 points295 points  (82 children) | Copy

I beg to differ, she's not with Chris Brown, he just fucked her and kicked her to the curb and it cost her a man she was willing to marry so in her unwitting quest for better she's now left with nothing.

[–][deleted] 359 points360 points  (24 children) | Copy

We're witnessing the making of an Alpha-Widow. Almost married Chad but threw it away to fuck Chris Brown. She will compare these two guys with every new guy she dates. She will settle for nothing less for years until she realizes she's lost her beauty. She will then settle for a beta bucks while trying to catch young dick in her 40's

[–]PlebDestroyer134 points135 points  (2 children) | Copy

ahhh man what a world we live in.

[–]TheSelfGoverned34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, and it's all the fault of the evil patriarchy. /S

[–]-ATLAS-_11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Blame it on the al-al-al-al-al-al-alcohol baby"

[–]1Original_Dankster95 points96 points  (2 children) | Copy

And she'll emotionally torment that beta for being inadequate.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can see nights where he comes home from work and gets berated by his wine drunk, and Xanax addicted alpha-widow.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 36 points37 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is exactly right. Was going to include this in the OP but thought it'd be more interesting to leave it open for discussion.

She's essentially broken and will quite literally be unable to have another relationship, until she's 40 and reality hits her. Every man she's involved with from now on will be compared to not only her Chad fiancée but Chris fucking Brown.

[–]obama_loves_nsa5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am liking the fact that Islam is slowly taking over more and more

Women are fucking whores without constant pressure and discipline

Funny how feminism is the mechanism for the Islamization of the west as well. Hahahhahahahahhaha

[–]Vizard473 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

What do you mean by islam taking over

[–]TheReformist945 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

As a person of Chinese descent, I get called a racist for telling westerners of pure white descent to stick up for themselves. The women,the disgusting rude behaviour,open hypergamy,cheating,no fucks given and lack of even basic respect or loyalty for the men of Europe. Its got to The point where the men and women of the west have been warned,to the point they almost deserve what's coming for them.

I really don't want Islam taking over,and I hope the last men of the west stick up for what is right.

[–]1PantsonFire123416 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. I've said it again and again that whoring around can have detrimental effects for a woman. It might be a sudden fun experience but genetically she gets deselected. Although the fact that OP describes her as hot and her boyfriend as Chad while also having the actual looks to catch Chris Browns attention for more than a bathroom quickly. Something tells me this girl ain't your average bottom feeder.

Girls like that can actually get away with some beta-slut behavior. It's passable, most average girls however can't. Kind of like a balding, manlet, dadbod can't say the same perverted shit to women like good looking guys can. Average women can't behave like worthless crap and expect any guy to see it through the fingers. Even one slip up can be a deal breaker.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

the worst part is she attracted chad literally in her prime... sometime in college, and now they've been together for 4 years. realistically she's now already somewhere between 23 and 27. she will never be as attractive as she was when she met chad.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

She's 26

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women peak at 21/22 so she's already on the decline. She's definitely alpha widowed both on the hookup front and the relationship front.

[–]gopher_glitz2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Naw, if she's good looking she'll have another guy in no time flat and be fine.

[–]obama_loves_nsa4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Whom she will cheat on she never be as happy with

[–]gopher_glitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah but he'll still fuck her, buy her shit and everything else.

[–]JohnGalt316153 points154 points  (51 children) | Copy

i'm sure she is attractive and will find another hot guy in LA

it is a myth that good looking sluts will get their karma

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen78 points79 points  (20 children) | Copy

i'm sure she is attractive and will find another hot guy in LA

You don't get the point:

She had the best she could possibly get and then she even got fucked by a DT celebrity.

There will never be a guy who can live up to the standards she has now. None will ever be good enough for her to stay longer with him and she will always have that nagging feeling that she could do better. After all she managed to hook up with a celebrity, right?

That is her punishment.

Will she still get sex and find some idiot who is willing to throw it all at her? Sure thing. Will those ever live up to her expectations? Nope.

[–]1PantsonFire123421 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

There are also 10's who actually dated Chris Brown or comparable celebrities for a duration. This girl got a weekend out of it. Other girls get a bathroom blowjob. These are all measurable levels of female sexual success. This girl is somewhere in the middle, most girls are somewhere at the bottom. It's sad really. TRP is mostly about these girls. What 9's and 10's do and get away with isn't much discussed over here.

[–]chadjugo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

insightful comment but Karrueche and Rihanna are 10s?!

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I figure that when you are a celebrity its kind of a given you date within that circle. It's like royalty used to do or wealthy families do nowadays. Same way you would probably not LTR a Brazilian favela hoodrat they wouldn't date your average city or sub-urban girl. Even if she was a virgin and well behaved.

Chris Brown ain't much genetically or in physiology so his status might be alluring to women from a lower social caste, he's pretty average for the A-list celeb club where that status is universal if not higher. I think he still wanted to date within that circle so he settled for those girls and Rihanna probably didn't gel with that idea and/or said some fucked up shit out of pety and this made him go ape.

He probably fucks porn-stars on the side like allot of basketball players do and high class escort/Instagram hoes. But obviously you won't see him date those girls in public. We read about this girl cheating with him over here but otherwise no tabloid would have mentioned it. Think about that, he probably does this all the time.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman19 points20 points  (13 children) | Copy

You don't get the point:

She had the best she could possibly get and then she even got fucked by a DT celebrity.

Let's roll with the assumption that OP didn't make this up and isn't embellishing the qualities of his friend (we have to accept these as premises).

What does this tell us about his friend's fiancée?

Well, for starters she's probably really hawt - I don't think a celebrity would fuck some random 7, since a guy of that status could reasonably expect to get better. He also said that she was a down-to-earth, sweet girl. Crap about the ONS with a celebrity, but well.

Now how things turn out for her depends on how far that crap follows her. If she manages to sweep it under the rug, she's still the hot and surprisingly down-to-earth girl, odds are that she might also find a decent guy again.

If she doesn't manage to blindsight a guy about her past shenanigans, he's aware that her sweetness is a facade and that she's not only capable of cheating, but has done so in the past (and the best indicator of cheating is a past as a cheater), which is a hard hit on her attractiveness (for me personally to ignore that crap, a girl would have to be so insanely hot in my eyes that I couldn't think clearly). Any high value man who isn't a tool would nope out of there.

[–]Sdom111 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

she's still the hot and surprisingly down-to-earth girl...

Down to earth girls don't fuck Nelly when they've got a fiancee they love (allegedly). OP thinks she's down to earth because she's hot (people are programmed to assume the best about really good looking people) and she had locked down the highest status man in her vicinity, and thus being "cool" maximized her status. So, she was so super sweet and down to earth, and OP fell for it hook, line, and sinker. I'll bet there were signs he missed - there always are.

I'm not trying to bash OP, it's just a reminder that there's always more to learn.

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[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's not what I said. AWALT is an interesting concept in that it's really useful -- essential for the beginner, actually -- but not actually true in an absolute sense. I've always thought that AWALT applies when one is transitioning because, while a kernel of awareness is germinating inside of you, you haven't really developed an ability to read women yet. To do that, you need not only a good working knowledge of their drives and tendencies, you need honest to goodness real life experience and observations of their behavior.

If we want to take the red pill thing further, Neo didn't come into his full powers right away after taking it. He needed experience to do so. To further complicate things, in the beginning it's generally a choice between AWALT and the pussy pedestal i.e. never making progress. This is why AWALT is so important to internalize early on.

The problem that I see for some guys is that they can't discard AWALT once it's served its purpose and move closer to a complete understanding of not only women, but men as well.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

stuff like this WILL always get out. Every high value man she could snatch will eventually find out, and if he is indeed a man, he is going to leave.

Also it's a HUGE turnoff for me, when a girl I previously thought was sweet, loses her facade for a second and shows me her true face, it's like snorting a line of redpills. A sudden shift of reality occurs, going from "oh she's so sweet" to "guess just another pump and dump girl". Still figuring out why that is though.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, Madonna/whore is a thing, even if the concept has been adopted by feminists.

[–]CCIG27 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Au contraire, she isn't necessarily that hot. Look up the Derrick Rose accuser. Celebs fuck dogs all the time.

[–]chadjugo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

shit, just look at how Arnold fucked up

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

odds are that she might also find a decent guy again.

except that decent guy will never compete with the celebrity that she fucked. it's the same thing with amber heard and elon musk. amber heard dumped celebrity phenom johnny depp for tech phenom billionaire elon musk. same deal with tiger woods' ex... she was banging BBC who is also the best golfer in history. none of these women can move down. ever. they can only move up. so this fiance has to find some celebrity higher than chris brown or she's settling and it will nag her and eat her up inside forever until she divorce rapes her beta because she's unhaaaaappppyyyyy.

[–]ComradeGoby0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol i doubt tiger is packing

[–]morphite650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I heard that last phrase as Bill Burr, it was perfect

[–]no_face1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think a celebrity would fuck some random 7

Eddie Murphy/Hugh Grant/Hugh Jackman/John C Reilley/Pierce Brosnan/Aaron Taylor-Johnson/Jesse Williams

Sometimes celebrities not only fuck, but also marry into mediocrity

[–]pfffft_comeon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any high value man who isn't a tool would nope out of there.

there. you do get it. does she want a low value guy? no.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I completely agree. It's the same reason why fat girls that went on tinder once now think that they're attractive, and that Chad's should be vying for a LTR with her.

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[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's an unwinnable cycle because hypergamy. She was already happy, but she saw an opportunity to be even happier followed by sadness and uncertainty. She took it.

If she got another Chad esque dude she wouldn't have suffered any karma and she'd do it again. She isn't going to learn from her mistakes until it is too late.

Maybe you can call that karma but that is just her following her hypergamy. She never will be 'happy' if she is as hot as she thinks she is.

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[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think you're just describing women bro. Karma or no karma. Also did you mean 'more risk averse'.

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[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol we both agree and are nitpicking over irrelevant details. The point of OPs post (for me) was that she had never ever exhibited this behaviour before in their previous country of residence. And when given the opportunity to cheat on her solid partner with a weekend of a higher SMV man, she took it. This girl presumably in this case hasn't grown up with decadence and hedonism normalised for her if she was as loyal as she was portrayed. But once she was in a place where she could exercise her true hypergamy, she jumped at the opportunity.

This was supposed to be the in control girl you're talking about in your scenario, as she had shown strong loyalty traits up until this point. And now given a situation to seriously test that loyalty, she failed.

I honestly think the decision to not exercise hypergamy is not based on the individual morality of the women but rather whether she has already had the chance to exercise her hypergamy like that and had those experiences for herself, so she knows where she honestly falls on the SMV spectrum.

[–]slumdog-millionaire11 points12 points  (17 children) | Copy

sure but she has seen the consequences of her actions and she must be feeling some regret over where she is now

EDIT: so that at least is some form of karma/justice

[–]vwzwv53 points54 points  (16 children) | Copy

She just learned she could attract Chris Brown. With that knowledge she will learn she can land another quality guy. Ugly to think about but karma for her is not a sure thing.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator51 points52 points  (4 children) | Copy

Karma for her would have been Chris Brown punching her in the face

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

He maybe did and she enjoyed it.

[–]a_normal_human0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Look up the Ghomeshi trial. He was a B-list celeb in Canada, and he had women asking for more after slapping them around.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

With that knowledge she will learn she can land another quality guy.

Chris Brown sure is a quality guy...

Also that guy will never be good enough since she will not be able to attract and keep a celebrity of his status or above. "Well, he is not Chris Brown, you know."

[–]crimsonkodiak2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Ugly to think about but karma for her is not a sure thing.

Karma's not a sure thing for anyone.

That being said, it's hard to view this as anything other than an L for her. If nothing else, it requires her to go back out into the dating market and pushes back the day she is going to get married by at least 6 months, if not years.

[–]nomansapenguin14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think she cares. If she's attractive enough to win over Chris Brown, she won't even have to look for guys willing to marry and provide for her. They'll find her.

'Karma' is just a beta concept to make people feel better about the injustices of the world.

[–]TheRiseAndFall3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm sure she will have an easy time getting dick, but good looking guys with money, a good body, good friends, and who are decent human beings are not exactly a dime a dozen. She'll find another dude, but finding someone as good or better who will treat her well and still be Alpha who also won't pump and dump is going to be hard.

[–]NumbersPrime3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

She is now set to seek that level partner; either guy would be a catch for her.. a good looking guy that will settle for the headaches of the same pussy for a lifetime or a celeb that will p&d her (in an absolutely degrading, embaressing way). From here on out she doomed. Come 'post wall' after getting dissed repeatedly and realizing she fucked up on this rare guy, she will live in regret although she may never admit or even realize it.. she'll be on the CC until the ride operaters kick her off and then she will settle for some total chode of which she will drain HIS life energy and bank account until they divorce. And she will NEVER understand that this is her own fault, forget feeling responsible.. Her friends and family likely will never tell her the truth either.. BB will be the reason the marriage doesn't work out and he wont even know what hit him. AWALT.

[–]anothdae0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Karma' is just a beta concept to make people feel better about the injustices of the world.

Eh... the point was that she fucked herself here... she is worse off after this event than before.

Could another rich, attractive, great guy swoop in and take cris brown's sloppy seconds? Sure, it could happen. But the odds are that she will come out of this worse than before.

It's not a cosmic force of karma... it's basic consequences for actions.

[–]sharp72 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Getting chris brown to fuck her one night isnt that big of a deal though. Maybe it will go to her head maybe not.

[–]Docbear6417 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

That's not how women work. They judge themselves based on the men they can attain . That's why the idea of settling is so disgusting to them . That's why "I deserve " or "you deserve" is such a popular phrase when appealing to them . This woman is hot enough to fuck a millionaire music artist? Yeah her personal sense of value is about to be skewed as shit.

[–]sharp70 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Na there is DEFINITELY a huge difference in self esteem boost on showing of commitment than sex. Imagine chris brown bought that girl an expensive as fuck necklace or something, her self esteem would get WAY WAY WAY MORE inflated than just from getting pump and dumped ESPECIALLY if he bought the necklace BEFORE fucking her.

Thats why buying girls presents and shit doesnt work, it inflates their ego to the point they think they are better than you.

Girls measure their worth based on what they can get a guy to do in exchange for sex.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well of course if she could have locked Chris Brown down she'd feel better about it but it's not about commitment it's about a sense of desirability. That's the entire point of the wall right? Many women wait around and fuck dudes too hot , interesting , or valuable , then when a nice little betabux who maybe even is the same number as them in attractiveness comes around who just wants to love and pay for every bill they reject him . Not because he doesn't offer them a good deal but because they think they can lock down someone hotter and more valuable who will want to do the same.

So they keep riding and entertaining the cock carousel looking for Prince Charming or even better a man on Chris Browns level to lock them down when really they were never good enough to keep for a man like that , they were just good enough to fuck .

They hamster that if they can fuck a man like that then they can keep a man like that, and for the women who have little more to offer than good pussy why would they think any differently?

[–]jedininjaman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would like you to imagine the feeling this woman will have every waking moment of her life as she approaches the wall and crests it's summit. She will get her dues.

[–]pfffft_comeon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

no it's not. ask shrinks and they will tell you a huge portion of their clientele is unmarried childless over the hill women. that's not mental illness, they just fucked themselves because they can't think.

oh yea sure they can still get a variety of dicks, but that's not what girls want. they might think that and you might, too. but it's really not.

[–]MagicGainbow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Possibly but you can bet that any of her friends that know will keep the info for future use, any time she comes into competition with them they have a magic bullet to sink her.

[–]kagetsuki230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

she will never be emotionally satisfied anymore.

[–]Philhelm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Except if she is as hot as the OP and Chris Brown suggest, she'll be able to find another sucker in no time.

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[–]slumdog-millionaire0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

well ya that's true, I was just saying that it's not like she's just gonna walk away completely unpunished even if she has options. she was supposedly engaged to the guy

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[–]Remember5thNovember7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Here's a perfect example of the reality of your comment. A guy on reality show found out the woman dated Fabio and lost all respect for her. It was quite funny. Here's an article relating to it.

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I like Fabio. He seems like a nice guy. If a girl is hot and sane, but dated Fabio, I’d probably date her anyway. No biggie.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

She doesn't care bro. She would do it again in a heartbeat. She won't care until its too late, which is a nice convenient time to start caring, unfortunately it doesn't yield amazing results for her.

The interesting part of the story is she moved to the US and did this. She didn't do it in her home country whereveer that is. Now that she can exercise her hypergamy freely, she will, and she treasures that a lot more (right now) than her relationship to her decent SMV man.

[–]1PantsonFire123417 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy

What allot of guys seem to forget that while women deploy 80/20 on men. That 20 will deploy 80/20 on women. That's why you hear women complain, cry, get alpha widowed and generally act like victims. The pattern repeats and hits them back in the face.

Think of it like this, women select the sex they give away by filtering the male population down to the core and then test if they can get commitment and prolonged attention from these men. This is where male selection comes in. Around the top 20% off this female population gets lasting commitment, dates, relationships and perhaps even marriage. This is a big thing for a girl. The bottom 80% just get pumped and dumped. They are as affection starved as the incel beta men are for sex. OP's example just showed how this woman managed to get selected by Chad for more than a bang. Only to be Chris Browns cumrag. This is where sexual selection drew the line for her. Right between marriage with regular Chad and a weekend with Chris Brown.

And this girl is actually rather succesfull if you frame it like this. Most girls never get to this level. They get deselected by average Chad and don't even get a glimpse from A-list celeb/star. Perhaps a quick toilet session. Bottom feeder material, ends up with beta men (bottom 80%) for commitment and affection.

They are on the same level as sex starved cucks. Only they aren't sex starved but commitment starved. It hits them just as much. As above so bellow. Women being the choosers of men has revealed a big flaw. This is where a guy can win ground.

[–]OzzyDaGrouch7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Some good points. It's important to know exactly how obsessed with you a woman is. Because if she's not she will get distracted. Stop trying to get true commitment out of women who aren't at least bending over fucking backwards for you from the get. Trust me.

There's always someone better looking out there with more enthusiasm and less effort. Stop wifing up the hard to gets because if they wanted it they'd be fucking getting it

[–]1PantsonFire12343 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's important to know exactly how obsessed with you a woman is. Because if she's not she will get distracted.

It's hard to gauge sometimes though. Sometimes a girl initiates and tries to talk to you constantly. Or acts very clingy when you are together but after one mishap she's gone. Other time a girl could be quiet for months only to finally fess up she can't stop thinking about you. Women hide all this pretty well from my experience, perhaps you know more.

Stop wifing up the hard to gets because if they wanted it they'd be fucking getting it

I think the best rule is to only give commitment when it's asked by the woman and you deem her worthy. Never give commitment or affection freely. She has to feel she has earned it. One of my favorite tactics is having a girl slightly misbehave on me (nothing major) and triggering a massive fight where I soft next her. Eventually should she return she will be like butter in your hands and beg for more. Once you give her a slight ounce of that affection it will feel like a cocktail of drugs for her. And she feels like she worked hard for it. Now you use that slight affection as a bribing tool since you can always take it away. Kind of like how women use sex to control beta men but instead you use affection, commitment and attention. Make it feel worthwhile and take it away with bad behavior.

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A high risk high reward method of taking back the frame while solidifying your boundaries.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a great tactic but you can't use it nearly as easy nowadays. With modern day feminist women suddenly have "pride' which is a male thing. Instead of listening to the tingles you've generated they try to reconcile things with another guy. So instead of submitting to the alpha they want to whore it up and find themselves a beta who does. No wonder women are unhappy.

[–]gazzaa21 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There's about 40-50 women in our department at work. All bar maybe a handful are in a relationship or married. The ones that aren't are either the bottom 1% of women or young hotties riding the carousel who are playing multiple men who line up for them.

[–]1PantsonFire12344 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is a difference though between the hotties who play the carousel and get showered with attention, proposal and gifts and the average Plain Jane who gets played by the carousel and gets kicked out of the apartment after Chad nutted. The former has lots of exciting nights, supersizes and knows what it's like to have Chads affection. It's just that she might pay the price once she has to settle down and no one wants to anymore, that's her risk. The latter will have ronery nights at home with noodle soup and fembot Game of Thrones to prevent the dread setting in. These girls destroy any possible happiness they might have and will likely kill themselves and have their cats eat their corpse before the cops find them. Many such cases.

[–]-ATLAS-_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh, it was an event for her, but in a good way. You can bet he goes straight to the top of her dick list of people she brags about to her friends. She'll just accidentally leave out the part about cheating on her fiancé and the part about how she let him do everything he wanted and things no other man will get to do. Remember, cheating in Vegas or Miami "doesn't count".

Eventually this girl will finally have the lie that fits the pain and makes her able to get past it (if the guy calls her a whore or slut even once, she'll tell the story that he was abusive... If he checks her phone or asks where she's going even once, it will be that he was too controlling, etc...). Once she has the right story to get past the short term pain, she forever is going to have a good memory of this and make it a bigger deal to her friends as a bragging of bagging the rockstar.

[–]OzzyDaGrouch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You still misunderstand women if that's what you think. Her intentions were never to have her fiance leave her. She is more akin to a child than to an evil maniac. She is suffering....and needs a man to help comfort her....right now fellas lolololol YOU THINK CHADOZZYBOY CARES ABOUT HER FIANCE OR CHRIS BROWN? No, I don't. Don't villainize her for something she didn't intend man, just let it be. The first mistake most men make nowadays is let very fine pieces of ass go because they let their little hypergamous tendencies win over their rational thoughts. The only thing we can do as red pill men is explain to our women the realities of women so they understand and either continue to do it (except now on purpose) OR not do it. And if they still do it? I don't mind that much. The next broad I'm trying to fuck probably fucked that same Chad before the last broad did.

[–]Hjalmbere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This woman is now an alpha widow.

[–]bd318 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Now the moral of this story is cuff your bitch Cuz hey, I'm black, handsome, I sing plus I'm rich and I'm a flirt" - R. Kelly - I'm A Flirt

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[–]slumdog-millionaire12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy

yea the top comment is asking for pics and I don't see anything, not sure I believe this one.

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[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cmon man, yuo know sharing pics of the girl could open up a whole other can of worms down the road for OP. 50-50 maybe its fake, maybe its true, but he has good reasons for not sharing

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I agree with this to some extent. While I don't wanna completely deny the possibility of this, it doesn't necessarily need to be true. And again, that's 1 out of a 100 chances.

And that's not me trying to advocate in favor of marriage, I personally do think it's kinda unnecessary.

But, the mistakes highlighted by the OP make him sound like a chode. I mean, there's always gonna be times where you'll have to leave your girl alone. You can't keep checking up on her like some insecure chode (even though I would love to if I could). Truth is, shit like this will always happen. What if Chris Brown came to the hospital she works at, and she just needed to check his temperature in a different way.

The only "mistake" I kinda agree with is letting your girl go to Vegas, I have turned down any offers any of my girls has ever made to take me there esp. if we're in a monogamous relationship. And even then, you can't always prevent that from happening.

Also, I mean there's always a better guy than Chris Brown too. So, if she had Dr. Dre come in, she'd prolly leave Chris Brown's ass for a bigger, richer and more jacked "BBC". And btw, this is not me trying to be a white supremacist or something (cause I'm brown myself), but I find it super ironic that the guy with the biggest dick on the planet is a white dude (wtf lol!).

So, the point I'm trying to make is life is too short to be lived with fears and insecurities, because your girl can always cheat. In an alley, with her Uber driver in his uber, at work, etc. The best you can do is not get complacent in the relationship and continue to better yourself so that if she leaves, you come back into the dating pool being better than ever.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It kind of does though need to be true. Otherwise you end up pretty much saying "The narrative was right, but the facts were wrong", and all that does is just self-validate without proof, which is never good.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

While the narrative is true, I'm trying to add a bit more nuance to this so that people don't feed their insecurities further. The narrative feeds into an unhealthy belief system that can really wind up hurting guys' game.

[–]BestSC861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So fake but accurate.....I think some people lost an election by trying that excuse on the American people.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Does it really matter? You don't believe some girl somewhere has cheated on their fiancee with a famous person?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm just saying OP is full of shit and just wants karma.

[–]grandaddychimp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Not sure why you're being downvoted. The fact that OP didn't provide pics tells me he's full of shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because a lot of people in this sub will eat anything that fits their narrative, just like how any Leftist will eat up CNN's narrative without much of a second thought.

What the Red Pill doesn't teach you is critical thought apparently.

[–]I_AM_CALAMITY-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It doesn't matter if he's lying or not.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

and you're being intellectually lazy.

The fact that you don't even consider it a reality and instead tackle the post from the "it's fake, why bother" angle, just shows your roadblock. I'm being constructive here.

Even if it were fake, it could possibly happen, that's the entire point. It's believable. You're dismissing a story without making any effort whatsoever.

Life is stranger than fiction.

I've got a coworker whose gf went with Justin Bieber to his hotel after the club with 5 other girls, more than half were underaged. They're still together. I've personally witnessed this shit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Cool. Your words are pretty much worthless without evidence though.

And the reason why I am critical is because of this: Even if the story fits the narrative and goes with Red Pill ideals, the minute it's proven fake, your whole legitimacy falls apart.

All I have to do is point to CNN and other mainstream news outlets, people are sick and tired of lies or misleading headlines with them, and have begun moving towards alternate media to get their news. Do you really want the Red Pill to fall victim to the same future, where no one trusts a word you say because anyone can make up a story if it matches the narrative?

[–]Jordonis0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

You dumb, still missing the point.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Says the person who can't use proper grammar.

[–]Jordonis1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Oh I can. In the English language, in some circumstances there are common phrases or nuances that are expressed that are contradictory to proper grammatical dictation.

Most people that have an average or above average intelligence can easily spot such examples.

Some people, such as yourself, are either are too stupid to spot them, or when have nothing of substance to say in retort to a internet argument, disagreement, or "jab" (not a physical punch by the way) feel the need to try and point out grammatical errors.

In either case, it shows the person responsible for such responses is truly of less intelligence or can't admit that they are wrong and feel the need to be right about something, even when they are not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

An internet argument*

Okay. Let's set aside that jab then. What am I not getting? Because as far as I see it, OP is just saying stuff that matches the Red Pill narrative without providing proof of his story, why should I trust him? The narrative is true, but the facts are wrong?

[–]Jordonis1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

So you never in your life have you read a piece of fiction and gained something from it ? Like learning anything, a reflection, an insight ? Sounds like a sad and narrow minded life. I feel sorry for you if this is really the case. I hope you are just trolling/pushing buttons or playing "devils advocate".

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I have yes. However, what OP's story is just nothing but a fiction that was meant to serve as self validation. And my supposed "narrow mind" is just a bullshit detector that I can't get rid of I suppose.

Call me narrow minded all you like. But I find those who don't question their own belief systems teachings tend to be, as you put it, simple minded.

I could make a post here how I had a one night stand with Rihanna if I had the charisma to do so, and a lot of you would probably believe me without a second thought.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

My friend's cousin got cucked by OBJ. My friend swears to God that this is a true story. They're still together though.

[–]Sdom16 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never got this. How the hell can you stay together? Every time I looked at her, I'd be reminded. It would quite literally drive me insane. If for nothing else, I'd have to separate myself from her for her safety and so I could stay out of prison.

I would have hate in my mind constantly, which is a really draining emotion to maintain. Fuck that, nobody is worth that.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The real trauma is that Giants games would be too painful to watch and you'd be forced to become a Jets fan.

[–]chadjugo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wait so Odell isn't gay? shiettt.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I can't give pics, I get that it damages the validity but there's just no point to me giving the photos unless i literally remove her face, and then it's just a random figure in a car with Chris Brown and serves no purpose. A lot of people know about this too and it feels like i'm doxxing her. I could probably PM them to anyone who is ridiculously curious but again it's pretty pointless

[–]Jordonis0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You better pm it to /u/D3ATH94

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't particularly care for the photos to be perfectly honest. I'm not sure how revealing her face would add more proof to the claim. All you'd be showing me is just a celebrity with a girl. Whooptie-do.

[–]SlothOnRoids158 points159 points  (13 children) | Copy

Thanks for the morning coffee to wake me up. No matter how good-looking, alpha, wealthy, and whatever else traits that you believe will make your chick stay WILL get blown the fuck out by an A-list celebrity, athlete - all of the above, especially when you throw alcohol in the mix.

The dude even sings 'These Hoes Ain't Loyal' for God's sake. "When a rich nigga want ya, and your nigga can't do nothin' for ya".

[–]honorbound4374 points75 points  (4 children) | Copy

I mean for god sakes he made the damn song. His friend is a dumbass. THE MAN MADE A SONG ABOUT IT

[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer50 points51 points  (2 children) | Copy

Remember, for every absolutely perfect godlike Chad, there's a woman getting bored of him. Women are insatiable and will always seek to trade up given the opportunity. Once upon a time someone stole Chris Brown's girl too. There's always a bigger, chaddier Chad somewhere. All a guy can do is improve himself to reduce the number of those above his SMV, and realize that for whatever woman he's with, it's just his turn.

[–]honorbound4310 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Personally i like the whole you were only renting anyway, until you put a ring on it you don't own shit. No one is satiable, you're in it because you either to or you haven't found something better and figured out how to get out of your commitment. Don't expect the world out of relationships, that's why you always have other pursuits.

[–]Leftmove18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

So that raises the question, what's the point of all this? As per the OP, even if you are Chad, someone else better will eventually come along. In the end, what's the point?

[–]Hoops_Junkie230 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy

To never invest emotionally, isn't worth it.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, that's not completely true, because any relationship built will have some sort've emotional investment inherently. The point is to not be butthurt and dodge relationships like the plague, but to accept that she belongs to the game. lol finally understand what situation this song is for.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just an example of you can never know what's going to happen. 99.9% of women will bone an a list celebrity regardless of the quality of their marriage. This fact has a .1% margin of error. It literally is a game of russian roullete. Just hope that your LTR doesn't meet any celebrities.

[–]SlothOnRoids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not necessarily..but you should always keep in mind that your LTR, no matter how much they say they adore and love you, will cheat on you if given the right circumstances. Never invest all your emotional energy into her, and never slack off on improving yourself.

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[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit I completely forgot about this song and it's one of my favourites, dammit should've used it in the title somehow...


[–]AmatureProgrammer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Man, I sometimes wonder if most rappers are naturally redpilled? Most of them see the BS before it happens.

[–]MagicGainbow294 points295 points  (40 children) | Copy

He got lucky, if she was dumb enough to throw it all away for a pump and dump with a wife beater that she had no long term chance at...she would have done it anyway and chances are not gotten caught (it being Chris Brown is lucky in that pics existed so long term concealment wasn't an option).

Your buddy has everything going for him, is now single and has had the glamour of marriage kicked in the teeth in front of him...long term I think hell be fine as long as he doesn't take the retarded ex back.

[–]beta_no_mo122 points123 points  (11 children) | Copy

Hey, but now she can at least tell everyone that she got plowed by Chris Brown.

[–]acetylcysteine114 points115 points  (6 children) | Copy

Especially her next husband.

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[–]1kenpachitz9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

20 years

Jesus Christ. I've been feeling like a bitch for 8 years of industrial strength orbiting and didn't realise some people had been doing it since before I even went to grade school.

Keep your chin up, man. We'll all get over this eventually.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

NEVER go for a woman with exes with SMVs >yours or too many in the past.

Nothing wrong with going for her, just dont expect to be able to build something out of it

[–]Throwawaysteve1234562 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"BS BS BS BS BS BS, then why am I with you, instead of him"? Fuck, I thought that was just my girls phrase. Haha. AWALT.

[–]MagicGainbow39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol that's not even a decent brag.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

No man should ever be impressed by a woman's sexual escapades. Especially the hot ones.Women are sperm receptacles, the bottleneck of reproduction. Sex is nothing to them. It's all about what that sex can provide them. Only other women find sex with high status guys brag worthy.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And she thinks that will somehow make men more interested in her because hey, thats what women are into, right? right?...

[–]crash1123540 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

Absolutely. His friend dodged a huge bullet here (marriage) and learned a valuable lesson as well (AWALT).

If he's as high value as claimed, he'll be able to pump and dump a few himself, and be on the road to red pill recovery.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

fucking matrix style sidestepping a hail of them

[–]albino_red_head11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is.

Does everyone here agree with this? I'm a bit conflicted here. This may be LTR advice, but even then, if a woman will be swayed, wouldn't it be wise to get that knowledge out of the way so you can move on? Trying to forcefully control your woman to stay at home when a weekend getaway comes up seems counterintuitive to not giving a fuck.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

The more of the redpill you digest you'll realize that things like "stoicism" and "not giving a fuck" are great mantras to live your life by, but they are male abstractions and bear no influence or meaning to a woman. You being stoic and not giving a fuck means nothing to a woman if she's in a position to act on hypergamy.

We attribute things like controlling possessiveness and jealousy etc etc as beta traits, this is because in terms of male behavior we see it as weak and beta. Women do not. They see you controlling them as being a leader, not weak. As much as we wish women were on the same page as us, that they look at controlling possessive men as beta and weak, they don't. It's wishful thinking, and projecting our male fantasies of a NAWALT, that women somehow are at least receptive to the behaviors we believe they SHOULD be, because it makes rational sense, like stoicism and indifference. They're not. Possessiveness turns them on, they all desire a man who tells them what to do, coupled with him being high SMV and attractive of course. Another depression reality and delusion crushing truth about women.

[–]Windryder1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I once tried to explain this exact thing, about a year ago, to those idiots in married red pill. Tried it a few times, they didn't get it, also the guys endorsed etc on that forum were getting into divorces. I left shortly after. Regular TRP is much better.

[–]MagicGainbow7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

It depends on the nature of the weekend and who'd be there, if it was in anyway dodgy i'd say ''you can go but I wont be there when you're back.''

[–]Windryder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Depends on how damaging to your life her cheating would be. If you're still early on enough that filtering her would be a good thing, but all means, throw her to the wind and see what happens. You're much better off if you find that out about her early. If you're heavily invested however (kids especially), it's not a good idea to play with fire.

[–]albino_red_head0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All good stuff you and the others have posted. My particular situation is a bit more complex I'd say.

Married 8 year, 2 kids, no problems. Every year since we moved from our home town (10 years) my wife has made a point to get together with her friends from back home on a girls' trip to somewhere in the middle (we're 5 states away from back home). 3 of her friends since grade school, one is her cousin. I personally don't worry about it, though I can see where alarm bells would chime for other situations.

Before we got together I was reading David DiAngelos' double your dating series and that was my first exposure to the red pill. He had an audio that included a lengthy interview with a psychologist studied in human mating behaviors etc. One take away I got from that, in terms of relationships was the concept of co-dependence vs. inter-dependence in a relationship - Co-dependence being a couple that can't do anything apart from each other (toxic), Interdependence being self confident enough to go do things and come back and compartmentalize your time. It worked for my LTR scenario, but obviously being applied in situations like girls trips etc is certainly iffy. I've also enjoyed ski trips, rafting trips etc away and it's treated like our interdependence allowance each year.

Now, if she came up with something unexpected I think that's where your advice and the others is particularly handy. Drawing the line and having boundaries, which I do, but I couldn't imagine suddenly putting my foot down in these current scenarios in my life. I have a certain level of trust, but not too much. I know AWALT and haven't forgotten.

[–]Squirmme8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

She said yes to being his wife while harboring these potential actions... makes me sick

[–]MagicGainbow9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Its not so bad, as of now she pretty much traded in the best she could hope for for a wife beater...chances are future valuable decent men will not be achievable now that it's out.

She threw away a marriage for Chris Brown of all what was the end goal here? Even if my some strange miracle he decided on the spot that the fiancee was the woman for him and to never look at another...he has a history of beating the shit out of more valuable women than a cheating hoe...their is literally no upside I cam see.

[–]1empatheticapathetic9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

In her mind that makes him EVEN MORE HIGH VALUE. Even Rihanna wasn't good enough for him, and Rihanna is chasing him herself.

Twisted logic.

[–]Squirmme3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

End goal must have been find a way out of this marriage

[–]MagicGainbow1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'd guess so, that or she just wasn't thinking, stupidity is more likely than malice.

[–]Squirmme-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Can't say for sure as I didn't garner that much from the OP. I just have a hard time believing a successful partnership would be thrown away this easily.

[–]MagicGainbow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just have a hard time believing a successful partnership would be thrown away this easily.

I've seen people do dumber things.

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can't see it because you don't understand. Being able to think that she's better than all those other bitches is the motivation, even if she doesn't consciously think of it that way.

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[–]MagicGainbow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This broad has a BILLION+ dollars attached to her name, and chose an ex-con

Not for long if daddy has any sense.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

hell be fine as long as he doesn't take the retarded ex back.

Well this is purple pill. Just plate her.

[–]WolfofAnarchy11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

No it 's not. She doesn't deserve it.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The idea that she doesn't deserve it assumes there are ones that do. Myth of the high quality woman my friend. Purple pill.

[–]Philhelm5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think that he meant that she doesn't deserve to be taken back in any capacity, rather than being treated as a plate. If he takes her back, he might expose himself to an increased risk of unwanted pregnancy if she's hoping to keep him. Probably not worth it.

[–]Bhakti_Yog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I concur with this Sado chap

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Have some fucking Self respect

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Again, this is a notion in which an alternative is "better."

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon133 points134 points  (11 children) | Copy

The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality

Female hypergamous biological mechanisms ARE her thought and morality.

It's not that "hypergamy overrides her morality". The reality is that hypergamy IS her morality. She is what she does. The pretence of morality is just that: a pretence. A pretence that exists to secure her beta bucks.

She won't feel shame about any of this because this is what she is DESIGNED to do: fuck hot men, get other men to support her with their resources. She'll regret getting caught of course... but not her actions.

Men see this as a betrayal, women see this as winning. This is a failure of our sexual strategy (ie getting cuckolded), but it is the victory of hers. The only flaw in her plan and her strategy was getting caught.

But I'm sure she can hamster that it was her boyfriend's fault (for letting her go to the party, for not reacting enough [or too much] when she said she's seeing the guy). If she can make it HIS fault, then she might not get kicked out on her ass.

This is reality gentleman and there is no escaping it. Hypergamy cannot be reasoned with, stopped or controlled. Live your life accordingly.

[–]electricspresident28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

Underrated comment, even after so much of reading TRP I've forgotten that 'hypergamy is her morality' thanks for the reminder

[–]JohnnyCocktails9313 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

By not letting her go he would have caused her to resent him, making her more likely to cheat anyway. Focusing on ways to prevent hypergamous female behavior is an exhausting and ultimately fruitless endeavor. She will do as her biology says. TRP is supposed to teach men to accept that. Not find the silver bullet to keep her from cheating. Sure you can max out your own potential and behave in a way where she respects you but ultimately it's just your turn. Theres a fundamental peace of mind to be found in accepting that simple truth.

[–]setzer_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said man. Thanks for the post. Nice to see people still writing good things around here..

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

By not letting her go he would have caused her to resent him, making her more likely to cheat anyway.


Focusing on ways to prevent hypergamous female behavior is an exhausting and ultimately fruitless endeavor

It's better to take advantage of it, than to have it take advantage of you, yes.

TRP is supposed to teach men to accept that

But mannnnnn it's a struggle. Too many here have this idea that "I can use TRP to find My One True Love and with my leet TRP dread skillz I can keep her in line and live Happily Ever After (tm)".

but ultimately it's just your turn. Theres a fundamental peace of mind to be found in accepting that simple truth.

Absolutely. Not just a peace of mind, but an acceptance that means you live your life very differently.

[–]PlebDestroyer9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

What do you think about the fact that even A-list celebs like Chris end up catching oneitis as related to his recent restraining order from that one female celeb who's name I cannot spell?

If there is no escape for Chris Brown and all of his abundance, how can there even be a shred of hope for us?

Is the answer simply - never LTR? Never play the game?

I'm starting to think that LTR is THE most beta thing a male can do.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

What do you think about the fact that even A-list celebs like Chris end up catching oneitis as related to his recent restraining order from that one female celeb who's name I cannot spell?

What makes you think HE is guilty rather than her?

However, all men are vulnerable to oneitis - most believe in the "one true love" dream, and invest accordingly. They get upset when it doesn't work out. Being a celeb doesn't change this dynamic.

If there is no escape for Chris Brown and all of his abundance, how can there even be a shred of hope for us?

Depends what you hope for.

Is the answer simply - never LTR? Never play the game? / I'm starting to think that LTR is THE most beta thing a male can do.

My conclusion too.

Serial monogamy is a reasonable solution, although you have to continually invest in yourself and not let her ever get in a position where she can eviscerate your life when things end.

[–]PlebDestroyer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What makes you think HE is guilty rather than her?

Well of course I cannot be certain with the way the media likes to spin things. But apparently he did stalk her or at least we can be sure that she wasn't the one chasing him AFTER the relationship was already over.

although you have to continually invest in yourself and not let her ever get in a position where she can eviscerate your life when things end.

It's not a smart thing to do but maybe there is some literal truth to the bluepill idea of "crazy stupid love" because to subject yourself to that sounds rather insane and stupid.

[–]1GroundhogLiberator2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But I'm sure she can hamster that it was her boyfriend's fault (for letting her go to the party, for not reacting enough [or too much] when she said she's seeing the guy). If she can make it HIS fault, then she might not get kicked out on her ass.

We've all gotten a text from someone who spotted a celebrity. How could he have known she was actually with Chris Brown and not just in the same building as him?

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Great comment and I agree. It's a monumental effort trying to wrap your head around the reality that this is simply female nature, she isn't acting a specific, broken way, there's nothing "wrong" with her, this is just what her biology affords her and pushes her to do.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


It's a myth and an illusion (created by and for women) that "it just happened" and "she slipped up" and "I'm not really that girl".

The reality is the opposite: this is exactly how she is, and it's the "I really love my beta boyfriend" that's the illusion.

[–]prodigy2throw186 points187 points  (18 children) | Copy

But Chris Brown is an asshole to women. Women hate assholes!!! - every woman ever.

[–]OracleofFl84 points85 points  (12 children) | Copy

...until it is time to select who they hook up with. They choose that asshole every time.

[–]prodigy2throw157 points158 points  (7 children) | Copy

If your girl listens to Chris Brown you're allowed to hit her.

That's a rule

[–]2littleblacktruck34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

This comment made my morning. Lol Thx.

[–]acetylcysteine44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy

The fact that a man who knowingly beats women is still able to continue his career with hardly any repercussions is a joke within itself.

[–]prodigy2throw31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tells you all you need to know about women's nature

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Heard of Jeremy Meeks, buddy? A redpill all-you-can-eat right there

[–]jackandjill223 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

He left his girlfriend who supported him the entire time through his prison term.

[–]TaylorWolf6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was at the movie theater the day Chris Browns recent new movie came out. The amount of cute young girls pouring into the theater blew my mind! These girls all looked so young and innocent... dressed properly, glasses, library looking girls. But they all want a glimpse at that abusive bad boy. It was mind blowing moment for me

[–]CoronaTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or it could just be that Chris Brown is a filthy rich celebrity who looks good.

Do you think she wouldn't have fucked him if he was a nicer guy?

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

But if he gets her pregnant she is set for life.

[–]wiseprogressivethink13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

And this is the evolutionary reason why women will throw everything away to be with a celeb for a single night - possibility of procreation with A+ Alpha is worth it.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I also specifically remember seeing this girl "like" a status on a mutual friend's facebook a while ago that was ragging on C Breeze for being a woman-beater and how the OP was glad he'd never be let in to our country (Australia). Fucking poetry.

[–]russe1lwestbrook66 points67 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is the heart of Red Pill for me. Many make trp out to be this amazing gem they've discovered, when in fact trp is not paradise, its reality. Reality is a bitch and even within the top 10% of successful red pillers, many of them will never be celebrity millionaires, and knowing chicks can at any time get on their knees and let another dude cum on their face after she said she loves you is painful reality. She does love you, but her nature is like OP said, in the presence of such an intoxicating male presence with status she can't help herself. And that's what it means to swallow the pill to accept that reality, not just "get buff be alpha get bitches"

[–]1empatheticapathetic18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

You stop caring once you've read about it or heard about it enough times. Another dude has already came on that girls face before she met you. It's going to happen after you, the (formerly) hurtful part was not realising when your time period was over while still investing in her.

[–]banjew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

painful reality

It's painful only if you expect otherwise. You should not care.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's a really important point.

[–]Jenk338361 points62 points  (6 children) | Copy

Had a girl cheat on me with a semi famous European DJ while on vacation in Paris. They had an ongoing text friendship before this which she claims was strictly platonic. She came back from her trip and said they were dating now and she was sorry for cheating. I replied "bullet dodged" and ghosted. It worked and she begged for me back. I wisely (or maybe foolishly) plated her instead of getting back into a relationship. The DJ is performing in our city this week. He's banging her as I type this. AWALT.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

A guy I used to rent a warehouse space off, his girlfriend used to tour Europe "DJing" for a month at a time and she was fucking Russel Brand the entire time. Absolutely amazing, the guy's whole life fell apart and he was sleeping in the warehouse in a sleeping bag, surrounded by garbage. A 36 year old man. I'd often hear him on the phone to her begging and crying at all hours of the night. A horrid memory for sure, the sound of a grown man sobbing to a woman while she's being dicked by a celebrity in another country

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

women touring is euphemism for groupie which is euphemism for band harem.

[–]failingtheturingtest1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Who else do you know cheated on their BF/fiance/husband with a celebrity?

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[–]1Your_Coke_Dealer18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Clintons are a poor example; I don't think Bill and Hillary were ever married for anything besides being a mutually beneficial political power couple. Bill cheated a lot (and got caught), and it's not a stretch to assume Hillary would have as well even without her daughter looking like the offspring of Webb Hubbell.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women even cheated on Emperors, Pharaohs, Kings, Chiefs, and top military leaders during the peak of patriarchy past where they had awful punishments at their disposal. Us plebs aren't safe either.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (6 children) | Copy

Didn't Rihanna give him herpes, which is why he knocked the shit out of her?

So, now your friend's unicorn probably has herpes too.


But whey did he "come home"? Did he quit his job over this stupid twat?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

He beat the hell out of her because she hit him in the face with her shoe? while he was driving. She didn't cop to that little tidbit of information until a radio interview well after the incident occurred, but you'll never hear that in the conversation about "woman beater Chris Brown". The narrative is too strong. That doesn't mean he's some angel though and I suspect he's the type that has a hair trigger and jump to physical violence regardless. Just something about his personality that gives me that vibe about him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That doesn't mean he's some angel though and I suspect he's the type that has a hair trigger and jump to physical violence regardless. Just something about his personality that gives me that vibe about him.

That's probably what attracted Rihanna to him in the first place.

[–]juliusstreicher38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy

Didn't Rihanna give him herpes, which is why he knocked the shit out of her? So, now your friend's unicorn probably has herpes too.

Which means that the friend has it, since the whore didn't let on for 2 weeks.

[–]Ninokun12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

they had an Argument because she found sexually explicit messages on Chris Browns phone and she became physical first, even threw a book at full force on him once., thats when he snapped, why you think he isnt in Jail.

Black people hit each other regularly anyway, same in thailand mind you, Women get violent extremely easy, I wouldnt advice hitting back full force, but a good ol slap in retaliation is actually better than just taking it. U should never hit a women if she didnt hit u first tough, thats not gonna make her respect you,.

[–]JackGetsIt8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget lesbian couples. They are brutal as fuck to each other sometimes.

[–]Barvazon17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

Mistake two. Mistake three.

Mate guarding would not help him. He's already lost.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yea, you're right. That required way more forethought in order to control. There was no single circumstance/choice he could've changed to prevent the other then serious re-evaluation.

[–]thedaynos54 points55 points  (9 children) | Copy

you point out mistake one, two, and three as if your friend could have made any different decisions, or made any mistake at all that could have changed this whore's life course here.

you admit that chris brown is way better than this man. so is your friend supposed to 1) not let her go out? meaning, lock her up or "ground" her? 2) text back with something better than an emoji as if that would make him BETTER than chris brown? 3) calling her on saturday would not have changed anything, at all.

not sure what the lesson learned here is aside from AWALT

[–]tyrryt20 points21 points  (7 children) | Copy

The lesson is that if your fiancee says she's going Vegas with her friends, tell her she'll need to find another sucker to finance her when she gets back.

[–]thedaynos5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

she's a nurse. she doesn't need his office IT job financing. if he really wanted to play that card he'd have to be a millionaire or close to it. this guy is not anywhere close to that.

[–]failingtheturingtest3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

she's a nurse.

In what country do you think a nurse earns enough to support a comfortable lifestyle?

[–]thedaynos0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

is this a joke? i have a lot of friends in the US who are nurses and they all make six figures. if you're not making at LEAST 100k then you're doing it wrong.

[–]agareo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm in the wrong profession clearly

[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I stand corrected. I'm actually amazed how much a profit focused health system can drive even nurses salaries up.

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[–]a10041 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is no real mistake here. Nowadays you can not babysit your GF and socially, is almost impossible to skip a Vegas party with work friends. And if she is hit by Chris Brown, then it is done.

The only lesson is you can't have a 100% bulletproof relationship and you need to live with this, one way or the other.

You should follow steps to be on the best number you can, 90%-80% bulletproof. At least she cheated with a super famous man, not with a random guy is Las Vegas!

And then you need to have a decent cushion in case things go south: not all your assets go to her, not losing all your have and your self esteem.

It is like having a plane crash. You can't protect yourself against this kind of accidents. Just be sure you will not have in a motorbike accident, and have an airbag in case is a car crash.

[–]reecewagner198 points199 points  (36 children) | Copy

I feel like this post contradicts itself. Women are going to do what they want - she's not yours, it's just your turn. "Do not let your women go out to clubs with you, ever." LOL? This isn't Saudi Arabia bud. Women are self-directed human beings, and if mine wants to go out and pop Chris Brown's dong in her mouth, enjoy loneliness darling, there are plenty of other vaginas in the sea.

[–]JackGetsIt42 points43 points  (8 children) | Copy

He said, "never let women go out to clubs without you, ever" and this is pretty good advice. Especially clubs in major cities that have lots of high power men and players. You're just asking for disaster.

If you've ever met a higher quality women who had a good father figure they will actively shun this lifestyle (after getting into an LTR) because they deep down know that it's a recipe for disaster and they don't want to blow up a marriage (or potential marriage/meal ticket). That's actually a good way to piss off a trad-con women to tell her it's OK to go clubbing with the girls. She will see you as a weak beta bitch and then she will actually want to go clubbing.

Sometimes early in a relationship women will ask if they can go out with the girls just to test your reaction.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

-"How would you feel about me clubbing with the girls tonight?"

-"Cool, have fun. (Being single)"

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

"How would you feel about me clubbing with the girls tonight?"

How do you feel about being single again?

[–]PlebDestroyer18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sometimes early in a relationship women will ask if they can go out with the girls just to test your reaction.

Yes. And if you do what you're suggesting then you will come off as needy and highly invested, thus lowering her attraction to you and increasing her likelyness to cheat.

This is like TRP 1st page stuff man.

Say yes you can go out. If she does, then plate her.

[–]lipidsly1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Say yes you can go out. If she does, then plate her.

Seems like some woman games shit. Any way to avoid that?

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[–]lipidsly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Find out like how? That your mate guarding or that youre going to cut her off?

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's actually a good way to piss of a trad-con women to tell her it's OK to go clubbing with the girls. She will see you as a weak beta bitch and then she will actually want to go clubbing.
Sometimes early in a relationship women will ask if they can go out with the girls just to test your reaction.

Can confirm. I've seen this a couple times in person.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Do not let your women go out to clubs with you, ever."

It has nothing to do with let. It's a question of what she brings to the equation. If she wants long term COMMITMENT then she shouldn't be going to clubs without you. If she just wants to fuck, give her a kiss on the cheek and tell her to have a good time. It's her choice.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS23 points24 points  (12 children) | Copy

How will you know your girl just popped CBs dong in her mouth?

Are you comfortable kissing her for days? You may never even find out. That's the problem with your hands off approach.

Set boundaries and enforce then.

A woman not going out to clubs/bars alone is a very reasonable boundary to set. If she doesn't like it then bounce, otherwise you could be the schlub kissing a woman that just got a celeb load in her mouth because you're so alpha and confident

[–]reecewagner7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

There's validity to this also. Perhaps I stay too emotionally detached to care.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think your way is the best way to go if you're guaranteed to find out.

My goal isn't to stop my girl from cheating, if she wants to cheat she will.

My goal is to not let it happen under my nose and never find out.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

What are some good ways to find out? I had that happen to me years ago, went on a business trip over the weekend and got back to an LTR that did 3 dudes while texting me I miss you bla bla. It took 3 weeks before a guy told me about 1 of them and the rest she confessed to me. I'm definetly in the emotionally detached group ever since, I have no intention of entering an LTR in the next 10+ years and just keep 3-4 active FWB's at a time.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man.. there are ways with technology but I don't want to spend my time tracking another persons location and reading their emails/texts..

If you get a bad feeling just bounce. Even an ugly woman can go on Tinder and find hordes of guys willing to drive to a parking lot to fuck during their lunch break. So if she wants to cheat she easily can/will.

Best way is to find a decent girl and pay attention to her actions. If you see red flags, drop her.

[–]richardguy2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yeah, I'm not really certain I agree with the whole 'you seeing other people hun? fine by me' approach half the guys here seem to have. Especially the LTRs. I won't lose my head about it but if there is a serious commitment with a young lady in my life I will let her know I am not down with letting her hang out with other dudes, alone.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree with you 100%. The whole "I don't care what she's doing when she's not with me" deal is strange to me. Even if we're keeping it casual I would expect she's not fucking other dudes when she's not with me and if she is I'll find another one

[–]richardguy1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Made a post about leaving my high school Oneitis over this exact thing just a week ago (broke up with her two weeks ago).

The amount of responses 'you should be down with her seeing other dudes/not replying to her texts when she tells you' screams of cuckoldry to me.

Now keep in mind of course I believe you should always have your own options and a way out of this does happen so it does not bother you as greatly. On the other hand, if stuff is getting serious there is no way I can tolerate a girl riding in a car with another dude alone or hanging out at his house. No tolerance whatsoever.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's straight up cuckoldry. Imagine she gets pregnant while you and other guys are banging ber.. you have no idea if it's yours but because she was your ex you decide to "be a man" (Lol) and take responsibility until the kid is born. Now imagine it is yours, the mother of your child is now a smut..

Good for you man, you're head is in the right place.

[–]richardguy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some of the replies were making me major league insecure.

'Am I supposed to just let her 'be friends' and 'date' this other guy? The one she outright says is better than me? Was I wrong in treating this as an admission to unfaithfulness or was it just a nuclear-level shit test and should have acted like I didn't care?'

Every now and then I get the feeling that acting in accordance to what TRP was telling me got me cheated on. Acting like commitment was no big deal when I really wanted us to be totally exclusive.

[–]DONT_reply_with_THIS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some of the guys posting here are inexperienced and shouldn't be giving advice.

If you want an LTR don't follow most of the advice on this forum as many of the experienced guys are into spinning plates and not committing at all, so their advice is geared towards plate spinning. Works will with plates but not a chick you want to LTR.

Rollo is married and has good info on LTRs. I personally prefer LTRs with one woman versus plate spinning

[–]Sdom11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

All you need to say is, "I can't believe you even have the balls to run this past me. Absolutely not."

[–]recursoinominado99 points100 points  (4 children) | Copy

Women are self-directed human beings, and if mine wants to go out and pop Chris Brown's dong in her mouth, enjoy loneliness darling, there are plenty of other vaginas in the sea.

Fucking gold, i think this mentality is a LOT healthier than "never get in a serious relationship with women again."

I am in a LTR and i am aware that she can cheat me anytime, but if she does, its her loss, seriously, red pilled men are fucking RARE, she probably will never able to find another man like me in her entire life and will end up with a spineless beta that can't make her pussy wet even if his life depends on it. Like this hoe that OP's talk about, she is fucked, literally.

[–]CQC346 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty much. That's the red pill in a nutshell for me.

It's all about odds, opportunity and probability. AWALT; all women CAN cheat. Question is if it will be worth it for them. The better you are, the less worth it. The BP mindset will blind you to sexual dynamics, that's the TLDR of it. It blinds you from the ruthless selection process and how no option is ever really permanent. People come and go. Culture also warps the rules of this process.

ALTHOUGH, it's not always that clear cut. Many bitches are irrational and fucked in the head, they'll cheat on you for arbitrary reasons if you can get away with it. Proper vetting is so important, it's important to get a good feel for people. Vetting won't prevent you getting cheated on, but generally speaking you want to be with a woman who--if she did cheat, it would be for obvious or logical reasons like a higher value man appeared out of the wild and offered something of equivalent or more value than you do. Sometimes this "thing" of more value isn't always clear to guys, but if it's more valuable to her then that is all she needs.

Women will make mistakes and believe they're getting a better deal, then when they find out they had it better with you well, we know what happens then. Inbox: heyyyyy

[–]wardamneagle237 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think this is a view that seems to be under-expressed on this sub. I agree

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Think of it this way: If you're her alpha, she wouldn't even run this past you. She wouldn't even consider it because she's not interested in other dick at the moment.

If she asks you if she can go, that means that she's not sure of your worth. You have to act the part and draw the boundary. This shows you are confident enough to take a risk that she walks away from you. You're willing to put skin in the game.

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Agree with this, if your woman is out at a party like that, she's hot as balls, you'd almost be surprised if she did not suck his dick and get pounded, almost a given in my eyes and would not be a surprise.

I don't think the dude made any mistakes, this is how it rolls and again no big surprise. This is why emotionally I'm detached 99% of the time with the ladies cause, you know the rest. No big surprise, would like to see the pics though.

[–]PlebDestroyer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think the dude made any mistakes,

Can't you argue that he made the mistake by giving commitment to her in the first place?

[–]jurguenklomiken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, they are free to go to clubs with girlfriends, we are free to go to clubs with our friends and hit on bitches.

[–]PlebDestroyer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Didn't you just contradict yourself?

and if mine wants to go out and pop Chris Brown's dong in her mouth

If you know that she is not yours and it is just your turn, then why would you engage in an LTR with the one you are describing as "mine" in the first place?

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're not getting it. Having boundaries isn't strapping a burka on her. It's about appearances and respect. If you don't demand respect from a woman, she won't respect you. The time to dump her is not after she sucks some dude off in a club -- and why assume you'd ever find out? -- it's if she insists on clubbing without you while dating you.

If you agree to let her go, she can rationalize that as permission to get a little wild and act like she's single again for a night.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

2 Different ways to basically say: Don't get invested emotionally. The moral of the story isn't that girls will cheat with Chris Brown, it's that OP's friend fucked up and is now a wreck.

[–][deleted] 134 points135 points  (19 children) | Copy

.."His huge dick is public knowledge." I knew nothing of Chris Brown's big dick. You keep repeating it like I was expected to know another man's size. And the way you're talking about it, makes me think you only wrote this because you wanted that "BBC workout".

[–]sourdieselfuel93 points94 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think OP is secretly in love with Chris Brown.

[–]RichieFinn71 points72 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP IS Chris Brown. Hes in a low place, any publicity will do.

[–]JE_129 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

Game is the only one I've heard of because he keeps posting pics like this on IG

[–]WolfofAnarchy14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahaha what a beast. Also a piece of fucking shit but he literally gives zero fucks, which is admirable.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Woooow. Someone's been popping a few too many benzos

[–]prodigy2throw2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

His nudes leaked a while back so it's very well known that dude is hanging. No homo

[–]WhorehouseVet-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have any pic? Not homo, just

[–]prodigy2throw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A very cursory google image search will get you what you're looking for

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] -4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

He's got nudes everywhere, his BBC is very impressive. No homo, just admiration and jealousy

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude you're not helping your case.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

You sound like a cuckold fetishest with that sort of talk. White men talking like that, being self deprecating and engaging in negro worship are a huge part of the reason so many white women in the west are pathetic coal burners.

[–]killermike-el-P2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes coal burning has absolutely nothing to do with alpha characteristics alot of black men display, that's just a lie the media tells us. Evidence of this is how white women absolutely did not fuck black men or even find them attractive until white men took part in Negro worship which started around the 80's I think. Sarcasm intended*

[–]Honduran45 points46 points  (5 children) | Copy

If the only thing between your girl and infidelity is "a night out" then "a night out" isn't your problem. Remember that.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your response overlooks 2 important factors:

Believe it or not there are many women who under normal circumstances would never cheat. What changes with "a night out" is the addition of 1. booze and 2. access to high status men. Add those two things into the mix and all bets are off.

This is why club sluts are best to be avoided, to include taken women who think it's okay to go out and behave as if they're single, which I described above as a failure to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Legit LTR quality women will tell their friends she has to be home by 11 or 12 and will be a stick in the mud all night (good), or that she isn't comfortable going out with them to bars/clubs (better).

[–]PlebDestroyer8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

your girl

exactly who's girl isn't "a night out" the only thing between your relationship and infidelity? Last time I checked, hypergamy is universal.

In other words, either your girl simply doesn't have nights out (or even leaves the house without you. see: Afghanistan)


You drop the idea of "your girl" entirely because monogamy and hypergamy do not mix.

[–]Ninokun6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

u dont need to live in afghanistan to have a girl that has at least the respect, to not go partying all night in an environment made looking for hookups lol.

Generally its best to look for girls that rarely went out before the start of the relationship anyway. checking her facebook is a good Indicator, too much pics of alcohol in any kind of situation is a dead giveaway.

[–]PlebDestroyer6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Checking the car fact's doesn't guarantee shit. You need some sort of methodology on how to handle an incident (have car insurance) or not bother with owning a car at all and uber everywhere.

[–]Ninokun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

ure completely right, AWALT. no guarantee what so ever,

that doesnt mean preselection is unnecessary, if the red flags are sticking out 2 meters out of her ass, its best to keep looking.

[–]biggerbetterjobs71 points72 points  (7 children) | Copy

Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever. Never inherently trust a woman, no matter how "strong" or "unique" your relationship is.

I understand your shock with your friend's situation.. But it's literally impossible to just "not let her go out" without being an actual abusive loser who holds their girlfriend hostage. Women are going to do whatever they want whether it's being straight up with you, lying to you and doing it behind your back, or dumping/running away from you. Or if they actually do obey your requests, they'll guilt trip you, call you insecure, lose respect for you etc..

Understand hypergamy, don't dwell in bitterness but really understand it and internalize it.

And when you do this, it's almost like reaching nirvana with respect to sexual dynamics. There's nothing you can do so there's no sense in dwelling or being bitter. There's an endless supply of attractive women with decent personalities and even if they're taken, you really don't need to be a top tier guy on the level of Chris Brown to hook up with or sweep a girl off her feet who's in a relationship.

On a lighter note. Your friend's eskimo brothers with Chris Brown. At least that's kind of cool and worth some locker room talk credibility... NOT TO SOUND LIKE A CUCK OR ANYTHING LMFAO

[–]CQC320 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. I thought the whole point of "she's not yours, it's just your turn" was that you should let go of control of such behaviors.

It's also not tremendously great for your reputation. I think it's fine to put your foot down and draw the line of what is or is not acceptable, but that's just a modus operandi, not really practical if you want an LTR--and that's where the issue lies. Having a "real" LTR is sketchy at best. It obviously requires trust, and if you've been here long enough that notion is something to laugh at. If you're going to trust someone, always do so being prepared to have it broken. Never trust believing the worst case scenario is unthinkable.

Your friend's eskimo brothers with Chris Brown


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[–]biggerbetterjobs5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If my girlfriend insisted on doing something like that, going to Vegas alone to party, I'd probably break up with her because I find that unacceptable.

This is acceptable and the healthy way to deal with a violation of boundaries.

What I was insisting upon is telling your girlfriend you do not permit her to go out to clubs or whatever yet staying in the relationship with her.. As in actually not permitting her to leave the house.. Not saying "I'm not okay with that and I can't date someone who likes to go out to clubs", breaking up or resolving the issue and carrying on with your life. The former isn't healthy, the latter is totally acceptable.

That being said, I'd encourage someone to look at themselves in the mirror and ask them why they're uncomfortable with their girlfriend going out with friends now and then. Is it that their girlfriend acts sketchy as shit about it and acting like a ho? Or are you personally insecure about it because of what you read at the red pill, a prior time getting cheated on, etc..

It's wrong to jump to conclusions before you see obvious evidence. IE: texts from ex-boyfriend (unless he's an obvious bitch who left her for obvious reasons and plays nice guy cuck/gay friend), random chads blowing up her social media (not just IG likes), stuff she's obviously trying to hide, she's acting funny about etc.. It's pretty easy to tell when a chick's being a slut because if you're relatively experienced with dating, you've dealt with your fair share of sluts/manipulators. A girl having a social life and having a night out with friends does not necessarily correlate to slut behavior.

That being said, don't ever doubt that a homebody "unicorn" type hot girl with "no friends" who essentially exists as your waifu can't get dick at the drop of an instagram post delivered to her quicker than dominoes half hour guarantee. Dated that type of girl, been there done that. Got cheated on and left cause I was a beta bitch. If a girl's gonna cheat she'll cheat and she can do it whenever she wants. Doesn't matter if she's a homebody or a club slut.

[–]jackson_c_frank0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Serious question, would you be ok with not going for a guys night out in Vegas if a girl you were seeing said it was unacceptable?

[–]PlebDestroyer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or if they actually do obey your requests, they'll guilt trip you, call you insecure, lose respect for you etc..

I think i've figured it out

a)never give commitment


b)give commitment and if they ever want to go out on their own be emotionally detached enough/abundance mentality to simply walk away. Let's call this method Shrodinger's Cuck. Assume she cheated before she even puts on the makeup to go out.

[–]honorbound43-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Totally agree, once you understand that the rules have changed (social media) and so has the dynamic (dating and marriage) you'll get over it pretty quickly. No one is 100% loyal, the less you know the better.

You go out with your boys, you not gonna flirt with the pretty girl at the bar? Hell yes, your girl is gonna do the same. If I don't find out about it, tf do I care. The more you go out, the harder she's gonna work to get you to stay home, unless she's a player herself then she shouldn't be your #1 ever.

[–]JohnGalt31634 points35 points  (8 children) | Copy

lol @ wifing up a nurse

that is a top tier slut profession

only thing worse are teachers

any girl worth keeping in a LTR would be over clubbing at this point

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov35 points36 points  (4 children) | Copy

haha for real. nurses are top grade whores

[–]Med_rapper19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

As a medical student I can confirm this.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

i don't know what it is about that profession. i've got to know many nurses through two of my buddies, who are also nurses. every hospital is a fuck fest pretty much.

[–]Med_rapper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Stress and a lack of men around. My medical school is like 70% female, 10% fags, 15% nice guys, 4% of dudes who just mind their own business and 1% studs who tap all the girls.

[–]iAMTinman_Dealwithit7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

100% agree. Never date a teacher. They will talk to you like their kids.

Soure: Experience.

[–]Thizzlebot6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

that is a top tier slut profession only thing worse are teachers

lol are you guys serious? Waitress and bartender are the worst BY FAR

[–]TRP_Minor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's the general consensus on psychologists? Or someone studying to be one?

[–]Steve_Wiener50 points51 points  (13 children) | Copy

The biological mechanisms inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or objective thought and morality.

This is bullshit. This is giving women an excuse and letting them not be held accountable for their actions. Women can control themselves, she chose not to.

[–]sonder_one13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women have no agency. Feminism says so. Our experiences say so. Egalitarianism is an ideal, not a science. We are not the same.

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A woman is similiar to a child, we don't hold children responsible, we show them the consequences and hope that they learn. But women by definition can't comprehend cause-effect-reaction, hence why amused mastery is the key to interacting with females, just smile and be happy and next her back to the CC.

[–]2awalt_cupcake18 points19 points  (9 children) | Copy

There was a thread on here a while back showing how women have different chemicals in their brain during stressful situations. All signs pointed to they literally cannot control themselves. Their biology makes them indulge and look the other way on self introspection and discipline.

[–]recursoinominado1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are really slaves to their emotions (as most of us are). They are just too strong for them to control it. She can rationalize any way she wants but she really did what she did because of her feelz.

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because of testosterone, women are more like animals than men are

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Any idea what the thread was called? Sounds interesting and a nice way to scientifically blame womens brains for their choices which is always helpful.

[–]2awalt_cupcake0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll dig through my saved threads see if I can find it.

Edit: Can't find it. It's worth researching on Google or using the search engine on the sidebar.

[–]gardenofbacchus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not giving an excuse, again, that's a male abstraction. You're trying to attribute male-specific abstractions to female behavior when you just can't. Women aren't accountable for anything because they've never had to be. There's no repercussion for what a man would perceive as "bad" behavior for a woman. You need to understand this.

[–]Wizardglick20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think your friend should be happy that he found out before he married her. Sucks, but it would suck more if he had to pay alimony. And I couldn't find anything on this. Do you have a site where these pics are?

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're assuming NAWALT. The vast majority of every female that has ever existed would have done the same in these circumstances. Opportunity and convenience are the only barrier to such things.

[–]LeJamesBron3210 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude we've got to see these pics. I'm about to do some detective work.

[–]CQC315 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

While I don't doubt the message of hypergamy and AWALT, what is happening here is a bit more than that.

It's really a case of ego validation. You see, women grow up having something valuable that the world wants in some parts greater or lesser depending on her looks--the vagina. Imagine if you were born with such a thing, you'd have a hard time finding other qualities that could trump the inherent value that your vagina already has.

My point is that it isn't just hypergamy at work here, it's about massive ego validation and opportunism that is worth--clearly, FAR more than a good relationship with your soon to be husband who is already quite the catch (where have all the good men gone?)

Just being able to be Chris Brown's pump and dump is an enormous and intoxicating ego-validation that is worth destroying your entire relationship with your fiance. You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth. But you have more value than just what your pussy offers right? Even though you stake your entire value on what man you can latch on to for an accurate estimation of your self worth.

Women use men as sounding boards for their own status. Never forget that. Always look at the actions, women will cry about how they are objectified and how the sexist patriarchy dehumanizes women into sex objects.

I'm not in the anger phase though, I won't look at every woman and say that she is like this, because that is not true. However, you should always know that every woman is capable of this. It's not unthinkable.

[–]juliusstreicher6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just being able to be Chris Brown's pump and dump is an enormous and intoxicating ego-validation that is worth destroying your entire relationship with your fiance. You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth. But you have more value than just what your pussy offers right? Even though you stake your entire value on what man you can latch on to for an accurate estimation of your self worth.

Further, if she has a good publicist, she can work herself into being quite a porn celebrity in her own right. Imagine how Brazzers, et al, could market "the girl who fucked Chris Brown", and a few interviews on Maury or wtf talk shows put this kind of stuff on. A new Farah Abraham.

[–]zeeohsixer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You'll forever be able to brag that you were "good enough" to be dicked by Chris Brown to all your girlfriends for the social cred that's worth."

And this right here gents is the fucking problem. Women value celebrity status above all else. Who is Chris Brown really? He is a piece of shit thug who can sing songs he probably doesn't even write. He won the lottery of life, lots of people can sing good BFD. I don't think women know what a real alpha male is, nor are they good at judging men. Much of this can be blamed on the softening of our society and the lack of strong male role models in young women's lives, the rest is in nature.

Chesty Puller> Chris Brown -Most people don't know who one of those men are. Another problem.

[–]JackGetsIt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously underrated comment right here. Great points.

What's interesting is in the past women were trained by mothers and grandmothers and church officials and fathers that being a side dish isn't as validating as she 'feelz' it is. Any man can fuck you but that doesn't mean anything. Women hold the keys to sex men hold the keys to commitment was pounded into every young girls head. Think of all the wisdom that's now considered an old wives tales 'getting the the milk for free' 'locks that open with any key are a bad lock' etc. That clear messaging, in addition to excommunication from the church and being tossed out of a marriage and onto the street with your kids and valuables now being controlled by your husband were enough to keep hypergamy contained; barely. Modern feminism and media has unleashed female hypergamy today. Slut walks and huge divorce settlements are now badges of honor. Women go on talkshows and do podcasts and sing songs about the virtues of being a whore. Strange times we are living in. Dark/strange times.

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[–]CQC31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Basically, yes. Not just his SMV, his lifestyle.

If you look at any woman who is--at the moment, really attracted to a guy and in an LTR with him, she will basically...become him. She will like the same shit as him, get involved in his hobbies, root herself into his social circle.

One of the most important understandings about women that I got from the manosphere is that women are by far WAY more interested than men in social positioning. There are plenty of introverted or slightly anti-social men who prefer to do things mostly alone, but rarely do you find a woman who is not investing her energy in acquiring social power of some sort. Women would rather have a big group of friends they compete with and even hate, than to go it alone like some men might for lack of genuine company.

It wasn't until I came here that I realized just how much women prioritize social networking and consider everything they do in relation to their social position. It's not that all women have huge social groups, but rather women are more likely to socialize just for the sake of it, like it's a fucking playground for them.

Sure, plenty of guys hang out just to hang out--especially when younger, but I noticed men tend to have friendships with guys based on what activities they do together. Your buds are guys who do shit with you. The point isn't to leverage some kind of social angle or gain's to do shit with your friends. You wouldn't hang out with a guy who didn't like doing the same shit as you unless it was an acquaintance that shows up once in awhile in your group.

To be clear, I'm not saying men aren't Machiavellian or don't play the social game--they do, but there's a lot more variance. I've very rarely ever seen a girl who was truly okay with being alone or socially excluded by her own volition; I almost never see truly anti-social women that aren't totally fucked basically. But I know plenty of guys who are decent dudes, they just don't like to hang with people all that much. They're focused on their own little world and they enjoy themselves.

[–]jonathanthesage6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chris wrote a song about this:

[–]1swaglordobama20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what? Why so shocked? Why is it at all unbelievable? I would be more surprised if she didn't.

Girls like sex, girls like high status males. Celebrity status is near the peak of SMV.

Don't act for a fucking second that if you were at a bar/club on a trip without your girlfriend and some stunner approached you and wanted to hook up you wouldn't do it. Let's say it was Megan Fox from 10 years ago. Would you really say no?? Come on...

Even if the condom broke and the girl got pregnant, her having chris brown's baby comes with many perks for her.

Get over monogamy. Relationships are wonderful but polygamy is our nature. Social conditioning tells you that you and your partner have to be exclusive with eachother, but honestly that's a crock of shit.

Girls view emotional investment in relationships as much more important than physical investment. Sex with other partners, for you and her, is not a big deal as long as neither of you are becoming emotionally attached to them. I agree with that. Girls tend to be open to that as long as you're upfront about it. It's only when you are dishonest / sneaky about it that it becomes a problem.

Also lmao at the guys in here bashing Chris Brown. His music may suck but he fucking slays. Respect other people's success, don't bash it. There's a reason he is where he is and you aren't.

[–]el_Technico7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like Chris Brown did your friend a favour.

[–]JackGetsIt16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

I did not know Chris Brown was branching out into the fitness industry.

Is this 'BBC workout' an isolation high rep low weight workout? Or more compound movements like squat and deadlift?

[–]Pragmaticpandas12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm guessing it's primarily hip thrusts

[–]electricspresident5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are the photos coming? I mean she is covering her face so I don't see what the big deal is

[–]PlebDestroyer4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

So the only way to win the game is not to play.

Don't fucking play.

Edit: Jesus christ this is one of the sickest things I have ever read. That fucking ending hit so hard.

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I'm more surprised you believe him without him showing you proof. You're the one getting played kiddo.

[–]Johndoesmith670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shhhh he's new give him time...

[–]useyourmouth5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Only one thing for your friend to do now...make it his life's pursuit to fuck Chris Brown's mother.

[–]1The_BitterTruth5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really think you can chalk this up as mistakes on the guys behalf. She chose to be a whore and cheat on him. The responsibility is on her.

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Mistake 1 was him becoming exclusive with her and then obsessing over her actions--giving her the power to crush him emotionally.

[–]jamesbwbevis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Op is pointing out "mistakes" his friend made as if that matters.

You shouldn't want to seriously date or marry anyone that would cheat on you as soon as someone better wants them .

It just so happens that is every woman on the planet.

In other words, never marry or even date seriously because she doesn't love you, you're just her best option at the moment

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[–]gardenofbacchus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's easy to say this sort of stuff when viewing it from a pragmatic TRP lense. Most average men and even most Chads don't have a constant roster of women and aren't infallible to feelz. This was his fiancée. He is investing his entire existence into her in terms of financial and emotional. He should've been mate guarding and ensuring she was never in a position where something like this could happen.

All women are the same, there isn't a special breed of woman that is invincible to cheating. Given the right circumstances, such as these, every woman on this planet is capable of cheating. He fucked up in my opinion and he admits it himself. Of course this doesn't make his ex any less of an utter piece of human garbage, but he is still somewhat responsible for not refusing to let her put herself in such a situation

[–]TRP_Minor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If she goes out and cheats at the club, how would you know? I think there's truth to looking insecure when you try to set that boundary, but it's a lot easier for her to cheat when she's out at the club, or at least get to the point where she's groping and other men are groping her, which personally, I consider cheating. But if I'm not in that club with her, I'd have no possible way of knowing.

[–]casecarino2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

these hoes ain't loyal.. lol

[–]TheWaterTemple2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your friend fucked up by having a fiance. Mistake one

[–]meaningintragedy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mistake one
Mistake two
Mistake three

Personally I don't see these as mistakes. Preventing her from doing what she did would only delay discovering her true self.
It's good he knows this after 4 years instead of 20 years of marriage (and getting divorce raped).

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Your boy should love Chris Brown for saving him this thot.

[–]Johndoesmith670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This. Beautiful red flag now bounce like a fumble.

[–]1PantsonFire12342 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Actually makes allot of sense. If this story is actually true then your friend at least has to recognize that. I've seen girls cheat with actual lower SMV guys for god who knows what reason. Apart from the shit genetics Chrissy has, he certainly has got the alpha swagger down because of his superstar fame. It's this social status that made his girlfriend turn hoe. It's actually somewhat sad but then again, I bet every single guy here would bang a female super star if he could just for the achievement. For women it's slightly more whorish and she definitely took a hit to her own SMV in order to get that 'experience' but one the other hand. How can you blame anyone.

What I find ten times more sad are the hordes of girls who attend concerts of super stars and shit, screaming like idiots and fooling themselves they have any sort of shot with him. Wasting daddies money. It just shows how little women understand their own SMV. This girl actually did it, so yeah AWALT but effective. Which is more than most skanks could say they are.

His huge dick is public knowledge.

This is just plain wrong. I've seen the NSFW pictures and he's a dicklet man. Take it from a guy who's hung, he definitely ain't. This just proves how people will say inaccurate bullshit about someone who has high social proof. Like a fucking rap star.

He is extremely good looking.

Also highly debatable.

[–]wanderer7792 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a good example of how your mindset and reaction to events is often way more important than the events themselves. I know a guy who slept with probably hundreds of women. If this happened to him he'd probably look at it like, "hey, I was able to pull a girl that a celebrity who could sleep with anyone was interested in. Now have a hilarious story, plus I'm single and I have a good career. Life is good."

[–]MrBellsprout1232 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not to mention Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, and no bitches give a shit about it.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The ones with green hair do.

[–]MrBellsprout1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yet given the opportunity, they would fuck him as well.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's like they're playing beta male game. Antithesis of their natural game to stand out.

[–]sepelion2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chris Brown isn't better than her man. She'll learn that soon enough, if she hasn't already. She's a weak-willed slut who is no different than a pig addicted to junk food.

[–]F_Dingo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your friend just dodged a bullet thanks to Chris Brown. Imagine the abyss he'd be staring into if he was married.

Do I let my wife continue to cheat on me or get my clock cleaned in divorce court?

[–]Zack97642 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sacrificing a wonderful long term relationship to fuck a guy for one night. How little self control can you possibly have lmao

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Damn I know Chris doesn't give a shit but I'd be worried about some beta faggot killing me cuz he trusts women.

[–]Lampcookie8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

The statement 'not letting your woman do x, y, and z without you' is fucking pointless. It's honestly such a beta thing to say. Why be in a relationship with someone you don't trust? Personally, I have better things to do than worry if my girl is cheating.

If AWALT, then maybe relationships aren't for you.

And if they do cheat on you? Oh well, their loss right? You just hard next and move on.

Just my two cents.

[–]yes_we_can_t3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Truth, hard next is obvious, but how do you know they cheated, unless they're dumb or unlucky enough to be outed?

[–]Lampcookie5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You don't, really. That's the risk you take while developing a relationship with someone. That's why I said maybe relationships aren't for you if you have a problem with that.

I believe in full transparency, but a lot of people are snakes. If I find someone who matches my personality in regards to honesty and willingness to give information instead of requiring interrogation, I might consider an LTR. That way if they cheat, you will probably hear it from them first.

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I'm in a two year LTR now, she's 9 years younger than me, hot body decent face, makes me coffee with a blowjob in the mornings, cooks for me, still sex and blowjobs multiple times daily. I have no problems at all with losing her, we both know for a fact I can find better looking plates and that's the basis of my rock solid frame.

She's honest, surrenders information willingly, I trust her, she reacts with disgust at cheaters, but I know in the end what all women are capable of so I'm always prepared that it's over.

[–]Lampcookie3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the correct mindset to have, in my opinion. You sound like you're in a great spot (better than my situation) so just enjoy it man.

People are always so quick to just get upset and lose all emotional resolve over bad things that happen, but good things in your life should be cherished and remembered.

[–]Conceited-Monkey4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

How on earth were points one to three mistakes that the fellow could have behaved a lot differently? If a girl wants to go out, she can unless you lock her up, and if she is dying to fuck a celebrity she can do that too. The only solution to hypergamy is to maintain your own SMV, and to not be afraid to replace women when necessary. The guy in this story is lucky. He could very well have been married to her, and she would do this, and then he would also get to experience divorce rape.

[–]three_seven_three3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

Should I just kill myself? A life like this isn't worth living. Nothing I do is gonna be enough. Nothing special about me. This is so tragic and AWALT is more real now than ever. What's the point?

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[–]Hoops_Junkie23 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

There's more to life than women. Enjoy them on the side but don't make them your life purpose.

[–]three_seven_three3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Makes sense. I'm in a rut. Not sure how to get out

[–]whoismikejoneswho1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Tom hanks lived solo on that island for years fucking nothing but a I think its fine man, just do you

[–]three_seven_three2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I need to place women way lower down on my list of priorities

[–]whoismikejoneswho1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Irony is that it is precisely when you remove them from your list of priorities that they seem to start knocking

[–]three_seven_three0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just been getting burned lately. Don't want to stay bitter and angry. Need to look out for myself and not repeat the same mistakes.

[–]Sdom13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remember that you're seeing a lot of adverse selection here. Guys with good relationships don't come here and bitch, and there are guys who marry good women and have good marriages until they die.

It's not all shit. What you should learn in this place is to avoid shit like the story in the OP. Avoid girls like that. There are good ones out there but you need to learn how to identify and keep them.

Be positive. Alphas are positive guys. Some of that is due to success but I think it's a chicken/egg situation where many start out more positive anyway.

[–]philadelphiasports0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

don't kill urself, work ur ass off to get bigger and make money. women will come but u have to work for it if ur not naturally athletic, rich, etc.

[–]gregg222471 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Or try not getting into relationships. Problem solved. Why are guys slaves to their biology too? As soon as women start talking to me I'm turned off completely. Life is much happier since not paying attention. They are all stuck up in one way or another.

[–]Cheupez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. This was initially a good relationship between Mr IT Chad and Miss Good Nurse. Guys in "good relationships" don't know their girl is fucking Chris Brown while he is working on a project. By the time they wake up it is time to be frog-marched to the cleaner.

[–]Questionnaire71 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

At least she was loyal enough to tell him.

[–]Cheupez3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

She was not loyal enough to tell him. There were photos on the net of her drunk ass hanging out in his limo. Damage control is all it amounts to.

[–]Questionnaire71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh, I remember reading she owned up to it. Still a man as the op described this guy being wouldnt even read news about Chris Browns one night stand. I suppose his fiance wouldn't be logical enough to realize he could look right at the photos and skim right past.

Heck I would. I do not care about celebrities personal lives.

[–]Cheupez1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am sure he wouldn't read junk news. But the girl know that the net never forgets. But if one day while going about his merry business one of his friends who interacts with people who read junk "news" floats him an image or two...

[–]Wraeclast_Exile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did she get beat up? Then we know she was with Chris Brown.

[–]vorpalsnickersnack1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

better the cunt is exposed now than after they're married.

[–]deville051 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

How do you stop a girl from going out. The whole idea of it has been sold as "empowering" and you can't 'forbid' them without coming across as jealous and or insecure. Also its very saudi of you to even do that when you also wanna go out a lot of the times, without her because hanging with your girl all the time is annoying and we too like attention from the opposite sex when we are out. If it's just a matter of getting checked out then regardless of who the girl is, she will get check out the moment she leaves your house. Some men might come over and try and talk to her too. You can't expect them not to and you can't expect her to not enjoy the positive feelings that come from feeling beautiful and desired. Does that mean she is a cheater, i dont think so but i also dont know what the line is to know if she is. Also people change. Promiscuous people change into committers and vica versa and the ones you thought were committed, cheat. It happens. What are some proper red flags?,

[–]DouglasPR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If your frame is right, you will tell her "baby I dont want you to go out with your friends without me". And she won't, and wont resent it, she understands its not the right behavior if she wants to keep you. If she does it anyway you must be prepared to accept a possible cheat or the possibility of leaving her, because that's the start of the end of a relationship

[–]RodGronaArSkit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Promiscuous people change into committers

No, this is only one way road. Those who sort of changed, actually didn't have another choice. They are not attractive any more.

[–]banjew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, seriously? the girls cheats an IT dude for a Rock star? dude... guy was lucky it was a rock star. If not Christ Brown, it would have been any random Vegas tourist. Maybe even a Mexican bartender.

Would you expect something else? he's a fucking rock star!

My girlfriend once cheated on my with a guy in a band, not even very famous. I obviously kicked her out, but didn't expect anything else. Those guys have immense SMV next to you, and specially next to a flat IT guy whole life is as fun as a soap box (I work in IT btw). What do you did expect? girl going with friends at Vegas? come one...go with her, or assume she's being fucked, because she is.

[–]WallyHotvedt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's completely destroyed and is moving back home.

He doesn't know his value, this is a chronic man-crime in our world today.

Remind him that she has done him a real solid, shown him that she is garbage and not worthy of him, and has saved him from a horrible marriage and miserable future. He won't be able to hear the message for awhile till the fog clears in a few months, but keep giving him the message whenever you can.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Everyone is forgetting that Chris Brown isn't just a rockstar with a giant mandingo clock but he also has been known to beat women.

[–]justgotalpha1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wonder why she dint tell Chris she had a boyfriend!!! Im pretty sure she would have told me that...but op said it best HYPERGAMY DOES NOT CARE

[–]cashmoney_x1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"When a woman cheats with such a high value man, she isn't doing it because she's consciously vindictive towards her partner. It is simply her biological imperative to do so. To NOT cheat with Chris Brown (the highest value man she could conceivably obtain the genetics and resources of) would be a betrayal of her biology."

Correct, which raises two important questions:

1) Why then, do we still do this fake ltr thing/pretend humans are monogamous

2) If we are going to enter into ltr's why should this type of event cause it all to go away? why does one day of sex mean all the rest has to disappear?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How exactly did he determine that she had had sex with Chris Brown?

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever.

More generally, dont get committed with a woman to the point where you care

[–]hamstercide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chris Brown is a millionaire celebrity, a literal God in the eyes of most women on the planet.

Maybe to degenerated American coalburners (you know the type - the bleached blonde sororisluts). I sincerely doubt "most women on the planet", who live in China and India, give a fuck about Chris Brown.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

99.99% of above-average bur regular men would cheat on their SO in a heart beat with the female equiavalent of Chris Brown. I don't think they should break up. It's retarded to hold people to these absurd idealistic standards of purity.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mistake 1 isn't a mistake. She showed she isn't worthy of him simply by going. It's a fucking trip to Vegas. He can't say no to her. She knows exactly she should not go.

In fact as always in these causes he dodged a bullet (not married yet) and hopefully learned this lesson. I would call that guy lucky. Sad that he went back and did not focus even more on work to get ahead.

[–]_Trigglypuff_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget guys, it's DEBT that is slowing middle-class white birth rates.

Not this sort of shit.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

This is not a case study, nor unbelievable. If you remove the fact a celebrity is involved, this post is absolutely worthless.

Your friend is a "natural."

[–]isuckatusernames692 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What do you mean? "your friend is a natural"

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy

He's trying to figure out how to describe his friend, who is successful, yet fell into these mistakes. They're called naturals.

They are men who are born with usually good genetics, they get early success with women and have natural abundance. So they don't ever really understand how women operate.

They are essentially blue pilled alpha males.

[–]Pragmaticpandas3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Holy shit "blue pilled alpha males" is a perfect description. A good buddy of mine is just like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah it took me a while to figure out how to specifically delineate some of that stuff. The other one that doesn't get enough press around here is "high beta." Though I may have seen that in a couple places before, it didn't seem as though the idea was sufficiently fleshed out. Specifically, I'm referring to red pill awareness, which is actually stated correctly, an understanding of how women work.

If you look hard enough, lots of descriptions of what to do with your life around here are essentially to become a high beta.

A high beta then is a blue pill male who has some degree of success within the SMP. Usually though, abundance is only achieved with significant status (e.g. Elon Musk), and only maintains position of BB in the relationship.

So then the pecking order is






The concept of "Alpha Bux" is really just SMV10 AF. I don't find it sufficiently fleshed out and consider it to be false, frankly. AB more or less represents what a woman is looking for, she's basically trying to find a natural (which is then by extension AB, alpha acting in BB way). Not realizing that once she "has" him, that it'd be game over, since he's not red pill aware.

So from a male perspective, AB is SMV10, celebrity, money isn't really all that relevant. From a female perspective, AB is AF that she believes she can control and obtain relationship equity with. But of course, obtaining that ruins it, and being unaware... well beta slide and all that.

[–]Bennu20172 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I see your point, but the fact that a celebrity is involved is why the story is important. People need to have AWALT drilled into their brains until the feminist brainwashing is cleared out

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

But why? This story reads exactly the same if you change the name "Chris Brown" to "Chris Smith." And it has a better impact on its readers.

The entire reason why guys land here is because they're struggling to understand why a coke dealer can be more appealing to a woman than a programmer.

Posts like this are blue pill cookies. "Oh, she ran into a celebrity and then AWALT, oohhh! Okay as long as she doesn't run into a celebrity I guess. I can see why it happened!"

Truth is, doesn't even remotely need to be Chris Brown, much less even high SMV. Just higher.

[–]PlebDestroyer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's even more sad is that even an A-List god tier celeb can catch oneitis. Karrueche, a female celeb has a restraining order on Chris Brown after he stalked and kept chasing her after she wanted nothing to do with him.

If abundance couldn't save Chris from oneitis then why am I supposed to believe that any Alpha MaleTM on this sub or even myself am able to ward off oneitis?

This makes the future of sexual relations look bleak.

[–]sunbro290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So the solution is to not let your woman go out by herself? Do I just enforce that with the ability to walk-away? Like, "if you go, I'm leaving," and then actually follow through?

It's a heart wrenching story, but I believe it and understand it, and assume it's common. I would appreciate a solution I can apply in my own life to prevent this from happening to me.

[–]adolfsbff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post makes the wrong point.

You don't stop your women from going out and doing whatever the fuck they want. You don't mate guard. Because you shouldn't HAVE a women in the first place. Your friend didn't fuck up by letting her go. He fucked up by making her his ltr and being exclusive with her. And even worse...trying to marry her lmfao. YOU. NEVER. MARRY. PERIOD.

[–]doctorcoolpop0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

everything about your story shows that chris brown is the alpha and your friend is the beta sad sack and always was. he should just give in and get his buzz from the cuck thrill of seeing his babe reamed by a bigger man.

[–]BriaMyles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Juts because he appears to be a red pill to you doesn't make him a real pill in relationships or behind closed doors.

[–]ruboius990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The pill isn't as much a state of mind as it is a toolkit. You use it as effectively as possibly to protect yourself from allowing a toxic mindset to set in. When you meet your perceived snowflake and forget that AWALT, you start putting the toolkit up. Next thing you know both you and your little snowflake are fucked. I don't think he made a mistake as much as it was he was the victim of circumstances that allowed her to get her female on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lets be honest, all of them are capable of it. I don't care who you are, how in shape, how much money, how popular, how charismatic, how big your dick is, or how good you fuck. There is someone out there who under the right circumstances will get your girl to cheat on you. The only way to prevent this is to literally never allow your girl to be in those circumstances. Hey though at least it took Chris Brown for her to spread em, if my girl told me she fucked Chris brown, don't know how id react. On one hand she cheated blah blah, but on the other CHRIS BROWN chose my hoe out of the PLETHORA of women throwing themselves at him. End of the day I'm still dicking it down, and now i get a pass for a free fuck up, or a couple really.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The message of this post notwithstanding, I am highly suspicious of anyone who pretends to have fucked a celebrity. I was friends with a celebrity (fame is probably comparable to Lorde, maybe a bit less known) - literally any broad you hook up with will try to trap you somehow. Be it through blackmailing, taking pictures, or trying to get pregnant to get alimony.

Basically, rich famous people fuck rich famous people or escorts. Chris Brown fucking a random broad can be two things - complete bs tale or Chris Brown is dumber than I would have imagined.

Not to distract from the message you're sending. If your girlfriend is going to Vegas, bail out.

[–]Galactic-Unicorn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You seem to misunderstand this situation.

Women sees man she perceives to have enormous status. I don't care how alpha you are, his status is a genuine threat to yours.

Guess what. AWALT. This is basic shit. It's just your turn.

[–]Sks440 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I bet she was at home once, flipped by TMZ and was like "Chris Brown? That asshole who beat up Rihanna? Bastard!". She's at the same bar as him and she's hitting her knees faster than a nun on Christmas.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The 'Blue Pill Example' tag seems kind of harsh.

It seems to me this is a story that revolves around the strength of a woman's hypergamy, in the face of inestimable male value (no homo) and not the small mistakes (letting his girl out) that some average not necessarily BP Joe made.

Compounded by the fact that shit, people fuck up when they're drunk, particularly when you never drink. Damn this fuck up is big as hell though and I'm not quite ready to excuse it like that though. I've always thought that if you get super fucked up and then kill someone, you're really only accountable for getting super fucked up, which unfortunately in the causal chain of connection for that instance also makes you accountable for killing someone, oh well. Also I'm drunk.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

my question in all this is: what can the guy do here?

not let her go?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Had my heart broken by this woman named Tammy

But hoes gon' be hoes, so I couldn't blame Tammy

[–]johnbsea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Saw this post on /all and was curious. Not sure you know something I don't but you point out three mistakes and I don't believe your friend made any mistakes if he did what you say he did. The more control you try to force into your relationship the less control you'll actually have. As soon as you start chasing that's when they run away. You get control by being the chased or maintaining "hand". Most guys act like bitches when they lose "hand" and that's why they lose the girl. And sometimes thru no fault of your own it doesn't work out.

It was a status fuck and she thought it was worth losing everything over. All you can do is be the best you can be, if someone can't stay loyal, bounce. If you're in a relationship and you've lost control, bounce. If your girl wants to fuck Chris Brown because he has a big dick, bounce and hope she enjoys herpes because he's got those too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Readinf this made me sad. Beautifully written! I hope your friend dosnt get back to her.

[–]Hardlymd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Very good story. It's kinda funny: I witnessed an almost identical scenario (except it was coworker + celebrity) several years ago.

I posted about it about a month ago on another subreddit. Perusing trp with interest for the past few hours has given me a whole new perspective. Sobering and have reflected on a great many passages here.

[–]2kez880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

How did your friend find out? Did she tell him?

[–]dontgiveupcarib0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

His first mistake was letting her go to Vegas to party, alone.

His second mistake was trusting her.

His third mistake was being in an LTR.

[–]Disciple_of_Libertas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I did a search. You're lying OP, this never happened.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Agree hence why I said emotional attachment is a waste of time.

[–]Bedtimeshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think this bullshit. I've looked for these pics and can't find them anywhere. If you can't link to paparazzi pics then this is probably bullshit

[–]Bitcoinplayaz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For those of us learning the RP, what is the appropriate action he should taken? When she agreed to weekend in Vegas, automatic next?

[–]TuckerP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The funniest part about this is that even Chris Brown isn't safe from this shit. If I recall correctly, he got cheated on like a year or two ago.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's easy to criticize this girl but honestly, if I met Taylor Swift at a club and she wanted to bang... it might happen even though I am in a committed relationship. I think most of the commenters in here are just salty and insecure as fuck that hot girls can get away with this type of behavior and often come out unscathed, whereas most normal guys never get any chance to behave similarly.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chris Brown is ugly. All of them are.

[–]loofy_goofy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Women are slaves to hypergamy. The biological mechanisms >inherent in female sexual strategy override any and all logical or > objective thought and morality."

Bullshit. I don't believe this for a moment. Hypergamy is just an abstraction with which you explain female behaviour.

There is no HARDWARE PROGRAM inside female brain that dictates her to act hypergamous. We just pretend that there is.

Any female except she has some brain injury is absolutely CAPABLE to handle her sexual impulses. That's a willed behaviour. People may act rationally.

she's consciously vindictive towards her partner.

Women generally cheat for multiple reasons, 'she cheated on me because she is vindictive' in most cases are male hamstering.

She's a cunt. Glad the guy has moved on.

[–]FilthMonger85-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Love all the butthurt in here as though you wouldnt slide your dick into Katy Perry while your wife was at home with the kids given the chance....

[–]suxxos-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Never even entertain the idea of a girl's weekend away. Do not let your women go out to clubs without you, ever

You think this will solve your problem, dude?

NEVER let a woman go out without you. Chain her to the floor, just in case. If she does go out, make sure she puts on a burqa. Actually, make her wear a chastity belt too. I can't understand how you guys can even rest for a second unless you take all those measures.

[–]BreakupsBMoHard89-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Question-- When a guy is with a smart, sweet, driven HB7, do they cheat when Rihanna propositions them in a Vegas nightclub?

Answer-- HELL YES! 10/10! The fact that Rihanna is just some hooker from Love Ranch South is beside the point. She was 100 % Rihanna where it counted.

Lesson-- "Female Hypergamy" is bullshit. (Or at least this lame excuse for an example if it.)

Moral-- Women cheat with guys better than their boyfriends. Guys cheat with girls better than their girlfriends. Guys cheat because they're bored. Women cheat because they're bored. Women cheat. Men cheat.

There. I settled the "big mystery" of "female hypergamy."

P.S. Hypergamy: The action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.

No one in your scenario married Chris Brown.

You might want to learn the meaning of the supposedly universal behavior you are trying to define before posting stuff like this.

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