The Ninjas of The Red Pill

littleblacktruck · 2017-08-06T20:36:14+00:00

Don't fight for an additional reason: I'm a trained boxer with fast hands. Every time I get in a street fight, I break one of my hands. Four surgeries later, I still randomly lose feeling in my fingers and drop things... especially bottles of beer.

aigamithite · 2017-08-06T20:19:07+00:00

Street fights are completely random and never worth it. You never know who will win. Here are some great stories:

1) Guy A insults other guy B. B drops him down and kicks him with all his force to the side of the head. A is unconscious and ambulance comes to take him. B gets expelled becomes a petty criminal. He was a good kid, slightly above average student that could have had some future

2) Headbutted a guy at a coffee shop cause he tried to steal my phone. Got kicked out and spent the night at the police station, even though I was 'right'. Thank God I wasn't charged

3) Guy A vs Guy B outside of bar. Guy A is like 200 pounds and swole. Guy B is like 140 skin and bones. Guy C who's guy's B friend kicks guy A down; A gets a dislocated shoulder loses all his gains. Stopa gym forever. Fo real

4) Street fight veteran vs scrawny motherfucker. Scrawny fucker picks up a stone and cuts veteran under the eye gets like 40 stitches and walks around with sunglasses for months. Easily coulda lost and eye.

All in all, it's never, ever worth it. It's like flipping a coin. You can be Fedor and still lose randomly because of your environment, other people involved or sheer luck. Only fight to defend what is yours from real danger, never for shit like honor or bravado. And after you fight get the fuck out of there and make sure no one involved gets your info. You can wake up to 10 people ringing your door bell with baseball bats. Life's too short to live with that fear.

CrimsonMoonz · 2017-08-06T21:34:34+00:00

I'm currently at Cornell for grad school. People die here all the time. Last year, someone died because of a bloodthirsty townie that wanted to pick a fight and stabbed a young buck in the neck. Social media confirmed he had the intent to kill before going out that night. This post rings very true.

Adam1394 · 2017-08-06T19:38:27+00:00

Never fuck up with guy with cauliflowers, never.

Woujo · 2017-08-06T21:14:22+00:00

This post should be stickied.

Fighting random guys is a terrible idea. Most guys are either trained fighters and you would never know, or they are cowards that will freak out and do something crazy in a fight, like try to gouge your eyes out. Dudes are not honorable when they fight.

Also, you never know who at the bar knows that guy. I've been in several confrontations when I thought I had it under control but then some random guy comes up behind me and sucker punches me.

also, a lot of guys are depressed and crazy and are ready to kill the next person they get into a fight with.

redpillbanana · 2017-08-07T10:03:35+00:00

The best possible outcome would be that that guy is a chilled BJJ dude and will even let you live if you tap.

Reminds me of a "street fight" fight video I saw. Two guys get into a fight and, after a bit of grappling, the smaller guy gets the bigger guy into a classic arm bar. Bigger guy taps out. Smaller guy says, "Dude, this is a fucking street fight, you can't just tap out." Bigger guy: "C'mon man, you win."

Smaller guy was nice enough in this case to let him go. Note that it could have ended badly for either guy: big guy might have gotten up and sucker-punched smaller guy, or smaller guy might have decided to tear bigger guy's elbow in the arm bar. Luckily both were fairly honorable and went their separate ways.

Maybe it was fake but it did include an important lesson: there's no tapping out in a street fight. Once you're unconscious or beaten senseless, you're at the mercy of whatever the guy wants to do to you. Check out Renzo Gracie's story of his experience with an attempted mugging...once he choked out his assailant, he "racooned" him. The fact that he had a convenient name for what he did to the guy demonstrates what kind of neighborhood he grew up in. (This also demonstrates the "You never know what the guy is capable of" point above...these muggers had no idea this guy was a member of BJJ royalty.)

Some of these guys on the street have very little to lose and that's what makes them so dangerous. If you've been following TRP principles and improving your life, you have plenty to lose. One hard beating, one knife to the abdomen, or one pipe to the head, could easily destroy everything you've built in your life. It only takes one stupid moment to go from a rich life of daily hot sex with multiple plates to being fed through a tube in the hospital.

Like OP says, there are very few reasons to actually get into a fight in this modern day and age. Your male ego and testosterone will try to convince you otherwise. It takes stoicism and discipline to be the bigger man and walk away.

Rares5555 · 2017-08-06T20:11:45+00:00

Quality post, OP, and very good advice indeed. This needs a lot of upvotes.

I would add that you might think BJJ is “lighter” than MMA (which I can see your point as there’s no punching involved), it is really scary to face a BJJ guy in an altercation as well (I’m a BJJ practician myself).

Breaking bones, choking or just folding the guy like a pretzel are things higher belts can easily do, which is equally scary to a well-aimed high-kick.

Nonetheless, listen to OP and never fight outside the gym unless your life is at stake.

Good luck with training!

brinkleybuzz · 2017-08-07T01:57:44+00:00

One of them paid $140 for some chicks to join them.

If you have $140 to blow on some bitches, just go to a strip club. You're guaranteed to at least see some pussy, get a few lap dances and if you play your cards right you might even get a quick blow job. Don't waste it on food and drinks for chicks who won't even give you a goodnight kiss.

sirhcthatsme · 2017-08-06T22:27:21+00:00

I've posted this before but i'm reposting it here because it's relivant. Im curious what people think about my opinion.

This idea that "fighting isn't cool" is mainly a western ideology that really only exists because nobody has honour in fighting anymore.

I grew up in a 3rd world country where fighting was a normal part of establishing yourself as a Alpha male. However, there were unspoken rules and a sort of moral code everyone followed when it came to fights.

The rules were like this: Never try to fight a drunk/high person even if they provoke you. Most likely it is just the alcohol/drugs talking and you won't get any benefit from fighting someone who can't protect themselves.

Never attack unprovoked, and always make it clear you are going to attack when you do. This way the person is aware and can choose to either leave or back off.

Never hurt someone more then you have to. That means no whepons, no brutality like kicking their head when they are down etc. If they go down it should be game over and a win for you.

Never get involved in a fight between other people. It should always be one on one otherwise it's no fair. Group fights are dirty and wrong. This also means never fight for your freinds unless the are being ganged up on. If your freind got into a fight they should be able to handle it themselves, or they shouldn't have fought. The only time it's ok to get involved in someone else's fight is if one party is being overly brutal and the winning party has clearly already been decided.

Never fight over women. Period. Fights over girls are always welcoming retardation. Any issues you and another man have regarding girls can be sorted with words.

Finally, and the most important one. Leave your fight with respect for the other person. If they beat you, respect that, go work out more or do whatever you have to do. No grudges. If you beat them, no hard feelings. They stood up for themselves the best they could, and they deserve to be left alone now that you have established yourself as the winner.

Sadly, western culture has perverted these rules completely. Since moving to a western country I have yet to see or hear of a fight that follows these rules, which is sad, becuause fighting truly is a way for men to establish a pecking order, gain self confidence and also learn how to deal with their emotions.

Im expecting to get allot of hate for saying this, but I can only say that it's how I see things. I would never start a fight if it can be helped, but if the situation meets my criteria, and it comes to it, things have to be done.

GreenPiller · 2017-08-06T22:08:19+00:00

Always protect your head fellas

Gallobrax · 2017-08-06T22:57:02+00:00

Martial artist to martial artist; never underestimate an opponent. If the training is good enough, size matters not. Never think you can beat someone until you actually have. I have scars proving this point.

martin59825 · 2017-08-07T10:45:28+00:00

A guy I grew up with caught a manslaughter charge when he threw a beer at the back of a dudes head. Killed him.

It was over some dumb shit too. A)s girlfriend stole B)s girlfriends purse. Guy was much smaller than the challenger and wanted to even the playing field (plus was drunk as fuck)

Hit him in the head and didn't even kill him instantly. He had been causing trouble and when he got hit he went down right in the doorway. Well people thought he was just drunk and just stepped over him for like an hour. Think he had an aneurism or some such.

But yeah, imagine killing someone over a fucking purse. He did like 2 years but could've been so much worse.

Edit: This was in a bar

martin59825 · 2017-08-07T00:31:48+00:00

First off, I'm really glad you made this post.

When I was 18 I went to jail over some threats made against another student at school. I was looking at 3 years in prison over the repeated altercations with this individual in question.

It cost me a year of my life, thousands of dollars, and 7 years for the charges against me to fall off my record. I couldn't even get a real job until I was 25.

Picking fights over bitches or defending Bros that you'll probably never talk to again in a couple years, none of it is worth it.

I still have pain in my right hand from a boxer fracture in a street fight over some stupid words. I can't even remember the guys name or what we were arguing about, but every winter I feel the pain in my hand and I remember my stupidity. I wish I had walked away.

In jail I was pepper sprayed by a guard for a fight another inmate started. I sat there and dunked my head in a jail toilet for 12 hours before the burning stopped.

Join an MMA gym if you have that Fighters fever, like other endorsed contributors have stated, you carry yourself differently and others can sense the danger. It's not bullshit, it's survival. Women can sense it too, you can get them wet before even saying a word. Although that's anecdotal.

Small dogs bark the loudest, don't be a small dog. GO train and quit being a bitch.

Muay Thai, kickboxing, jiu jitsu, wrestling, lifting, diet. Do these things right guaranteed you will be better for it

Peace.

5t3fan0 · 2017-08-07T10:12:02+00:00

great quality post!

only close-related blood relatives and real friends are worth fighting for.

[deleted] · 2017-08-07T04:13:48+00:00

Heavy bag. Anatomy book. Nuff said.

Rollo_Mayhem3 · 2017-08-07T18:26:07+00:00

one additional aspect to consider is the environment you are in and the area. Both times I've seen my friend get fk'ed badly bc we were at bars we did not belong and the people in the bars were just looking for trouble. Basically 'fake alpha' blue pill types like dock workers or laborers, cops, fireman, you know the uneducated 'working man' that is pissed bc he knows he got it rough or is high on coke.

Well, anyway speaking of fighting over 'pussy' or in this case daughter. I was at a bar with a BF/GF and her dad. My friend had to leave the party and suggested I hang with his friends. So went to a karaoke bar. Th GF started singing. Some other girl 'accidentally' spilled beer on her. A convo between the girls ensued and the next you know, the bar turned on us. They were calling me 'polo boy' because I had a Ralph shirt on. Nevertheless, I grabbed a bottled of beer. The BF and Dad walked out of the bar and they were immediately getting jumped by three guys, it was bad. It was so bad, I had to run up and hit one of them with the bottle in the face to lessen the damage. I then swung the broken bottle around to keep everyone from getting to me. I heard a girl say drop the bottle, fight fair, that's messed up. I did not drop the bottle, but I got in my car and left just as the state police showed up. These three young guys (late 20s) were stomping a grown ass man (50s).

The second beat down I witnessed that i managed to avoid, was at a bar we had no business being in at 16yo but we knew they would serve. My friend and I went in and ordered a beer. First time I was in a bar. He must have looked at the guy wrong because he said to my friend what are you looking at? he was probably a cop or fireman type. Well, he grabbed my friend and I reacted by clocking him and knocking him down. Well, big mistake. WE got brought out back and my friend got railed. I managed to hold onto my beer bottle and swing that around. Well, it turns out that many years later, the place was shut down because of similar situation that turned deadly. People go in and get into a fight, someone dies. The people in the bar, like the other place, where just itching for a fight because they had it rough. Same type of guy, high-school only, blue collar, maybe a cop, but just angry dude selling coke out of the bar...if you look at them accidentally, its like "what are you looking at?" "you got a problem?" and then your brought out back and beat up. They are all on coke and steriods. You know the type, jacked up MFs on coke, with no life.

know your places, local bars NO good, if you are not a local.

EDIT: again the theme, the girl gets the BF and one case Dad in a fight over jealously... the other theme, don't go into local bars if you are not the local...

Solipsistic_guy · 2017-08-06T21:57:10+00:00

If you have to buy a girl drinks to get her attention you're automatically sending the signal : I'm not good enough for you so I'm bribing you to get you to spend time with me.

These chumps need to work on their frame

KiloE · 2017-08-07T01:14:46+00:00

Amen. Any fight is a life-threatening situation, and you should treat it as such.

To include avoiding it. Your pride isn't worth your life. One lucky shot, and you're done.

Best case scenario, fisticuffs, worse case scenario, prison, or death.

biggerbetterjobs · 2017-08-07T02:10:03+00:00

A guy I knew through friends of friends in high school was just stabbed to death outside a bar trying to jump into the middle of a fight his friend was in. Shootings have been happening in my neighborhood like once every two weeks or so over the summer (I live in a small town too mind you).

It doesn't matter if the other guy is smaller or "more beta" or whatever. You piss off the wrong person it could mean the end of your life. You never know how psycho they are, who has their back, what they're packing etc..

100% always walk away. The only time you should ever resort to violence is when it's completely necessary and only do so to escape a situation.

You want to fight and show off your tough guy macho ancient masculine warrior energies to get some girls wet? Do it in the ring.

Witch-Doctor · 2017-08-07T02:12:53+00:00

Street fighting is for losers (unless you're defending yourself or have no choice) keep it in the ring/cage

ShotgunTRP · 2017-08-07T06:47:51+00:00

I hate to be that guy but bjj is not good for street fighting. If you can guarantee a one on one sure, but when u get that dude in a mount what's stopping his mate from smashing u in the head with a chair

[deleted] · 2017-08-06T23:39:53+00:00

Perfect timing OP. Should be a Sticky. Great post!

As someone mentioned here beeing afraid to brake his hands in a fight, I always pussy out because of that, too. And not only the hands haha...

Interestingly, the last days I was doing some research about some prevention. I'm not a fighter, but been strongly thinking about joining a MMA-gym. The cauliflower ears are helting me back somehow. Happens a lot? Also, what do you think of Muay Thai?

I would appreciate every advice!

FuckboyAWALT · 2017-08-07T08:59:04+00:00

Where to draw the line?

I mean you can ignore all the bullshit someone is saying and just walk away, but wouldn't that cost some of your social proof?

Is responding even worth or necessary?

Ofc health is more worth than social proof but I haven't found the right balance yet.

In Addition if a guy really wants to fight and gets physical what's the best way to cope with that? Run?

I think as a man you have to be able to defend yourself. However street fights are not predictable and I wouldn't fight something unpredictable that's just stupid.

GoinMonk · 2017-08-07T00:31:28+00:00

From the little I've practiced KM philosophy is on point with your entire post honestly:

Never fight unless someone's life is in danger.
It's not about who's the most alpha, because it's not an actual "fight" to begin with. The other guy could have a knife, gun, friends behind the counter, fighting experience. You want to end the fight as quick as possible and get the hell out of Dodge.

Why do you think Krav Maga is "pseudo bullshit"?

wanderer779 · 2017-08-07T04:40:44+00:00

Kind of a contradiction to say that you should avoid fights cause you never know who trains mma, and then later saying that you should train because people will sense it and know that they shouldn't fuck with you. Otherwise I agree with your points.

I've thought about training for this but I don't know if it's worth the expense and bother at my age (early 40s). I wish I'd known it when I was in grade school.

[deleted] · 2017-08-07T18:57:57+00:00

You actually changed my mind on that post with this one.

It's just not worth it...

However I reject the idea that the guy could be any one of us, just because you can game a chick doesn't mean you have to humiliate some plugged in beta. You're a fucking dick period. The grinning, smug looks, and straight up laughing at the guy is all unnecessary. Trp is a toolset, it doesn't force you to be an asshole. Personally, i have to dislike the guy in some way to fuck with him like that.

SamuraiPizzaCatz · 2017-08-08T03:44:27+00:00

Here's the thing:

The OP shouldn't have fought the guy, but his crew won so who gives a fuck. Next time he prob should calm himself to see if there's any real threat at hand, but he still won. Yes? Yes.

[deleted] · 2017-08-08T12:36:09+00:00

Fighting is over-rated in these times; not because of lawlessness, but because of the law.

RPmatrix · 2017-08-08T12:37:16+00:00

great post ... if only more men understood the truth of your words OP

thanks for bringing up this topic so thoughtfully for all to consider

royal_raijin · 2017-08-08T13:29:55+00:00

What about regular Karate? A friend has really been wanting me to join him

fortyfiveACP · 2017-08-08T16:25:44+00:00

Krav Maga isn't pseudo bullshit, just saying.

st4rkeks · 2017-08-08T19:20:24+00:00

What about Muay Thai? Starting that in October but you only recommended BJJ... Thai boxing is good too right?

time_squanderer · 2017-08-25T13:19:36+00:00

As a last resort for self-protection, should one have a concealed carry and learn how to use it effectively, even as just a threat to scare attackers off?

whatever11111111 · 2017-08-07T09:57:04+00:00

There is nothing more Beta than losing your cool when some idiot tries to challenge you. They have the mental age of a toddler, laugh them off as if a toddler challenged you.

CrazySpaceships · 2017-08-06T20:31:05+00:00

Serious question: What is wrong with Wing Chung (don't know Krav Maga)?

reddit_sucks4 · 2017-08-07T15:05:33+00:00

Shittiest humble brag I've ever seen. What a shitty post by a shitty community member.

ValveBuilder · 2017-08-07T04:02:13+00:00

3 years MMA and now you're a god-tier street fighter? Lmao

MrTrizzles · 2017-08-08T00:27:32+00:00

You posting this is akin to the recent posts about looks by cute guys.

RPers don't need to be waved off from fighting, they need to fight more. Betas will err on the safe side. They need to discover what masculinity is, and it is sometimes violent. In a fun, healthy way.

Sure, not by walking up to some dude at a bar like a dumbass, but smaller altercations. They need to punch someone in the face, and get punched.

Fight Club had it about right. RPers should instigate with the guy watering his lawn, or delivering a package.

Being a man is a physical thing. Being a masculine man necessarily involves violence, in various forms.

Title	The Ninjas of The Red Pill
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