I don't think there is any doubt left among us that if your SO decides to travel without you for an extended period of time that she should be plated or nexted. However, for those left that are still skeptical of this concept, or thinks what I'm saying is overly paranoid, please read carefully as I describe one of my good friends' recent Red Pill awakening.
For context: My friend Tom is a good looking, highly intelligent guy in graduate school studying geology.
Tom decided to sign up for a 5-week geology field course in Scotland this summer. The group of students in the field course comprised of about 20 guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends.
After a long day of hiking and studying, the group would sleep in hostels or set up camp in the countryside, drinking and laughing around a game of cards or a campfire. On occasion, they'd even travel into Scotland's bigger cities for a night or two and enjoy the nightlife. It was really the time of his life, being able to travel in a foreign country while studying something he loved with people that shared a primary interest of his, drinking with them until the sun came up. But his time spent in Scotland was educational in more than just an academic way.
Tom is no idiot when it comes to girls but he vastly underestimated what alcohol+fun+isolation can do in combination when it comes to "unavailable" women. By week 3 of his trip, one-by-one, 9 out of the 10 girls with boyfriends had cheated.
The girl Tom hooked up with had a boyfriend of five years waiting for her back home. She proceeded to follow Tom around like a puppy for the remaining weeks, mate guarding and trying to convince him to be in a long-distance relationship with her when they returned to the states. Obviously, this was all done in an attempt to rationalize the fact that she just cheated on her boyfriend of five years. She wanted to be able to justify her actions, tell herself that she had met someone more special, that it was fate they had met halfway across the world and fell for each other. But alas, Tom did what every other guy on the trip did: pump and dump.
All those girls will go home to their boyfriends, bellies and vagina's filled with other men's cum, and lie to their faces about how mellow the trip was, explaining how much they missed them as they plant a kiss on their boyfriend's mouth with the same lips that were wrapped around a different dick just days before.
As horrible of a story as this is, I'm happy Tom was able to see this kind of thing for himself and be on the good side of things as "the other man". While he did walk away with some serious trust issues, hopefully, it will prevent him from being cucked in the future. This was a really harsh reminder that I know I needed as well.
TLDR; Friend goes on a 5-week trip overseas with a group of guys and 17 girls. 10 out of the 17 girls had boyfriends. 9/10 of the "unavailable" girls cheated on their boyfriends within 3 weeks. AWALT. If your SO wants to travel without you, let her. Then ghost.
I work as a tour guide overseas. My tours range from 1-2 months, and I see this on an endless loop.
Every single tour I've run has had at least one girl cheat on her boyfriend. It's a statistical guarantee by this point.
The thing is, I have to add them all on social media for communication purposes, so I can see their boyfriends posting the classic "I love you, can't wait to see you in 2 weeks, babe!" on their Facebook walls. Those girls have straight up denied that they had any guy back home after taking home their third one-night stand of the week.
I read this and I'm realizing how much sex the average girl can have if she wants to. It is virtually limitless for them. This is why, when dudes that get burned and improve their SMV and start slaying, they don't stop. It is simply their turn to experience sex as frequent as their counterparts.
You don't understand the way women approach sex. To women sex is a sum of it's larger parts. It's the story around it. That's why women love sex novels and don't love porn. To women tons of sex is meaningless (watch what they do not what the say) when it comes with constant dumping.
Women need that commitment and human connection. And they try for it with every single guy. In comparison, guy could probably get friendzoned by any girl out there but to us it's moot without the sex. You have to view these stories from a female point of view and not from your own.
To most average women every sexual encounter ends with quick or slow ghosting. No one sticks around, they are horrible at making friends. If they are slutting it up it usually means their families aren't that great either. A woman like this is mostly all alone. She might have allot of sex and meet allot of people but they all come and go. For guys it's different. We enjoy constant friendships throughout our lives exactly because we are the cheaper sex.
While what you say is obviously true by and large, there are some straight up horn dog women who fuck and chuck like alpha males. There are also, as many on this sub once were, feminine beta males who think of sex the womanly way.
For those women who treat sex like men and enjoy the one night stand... They're living it up. I've known one before, and if they're hot they can get literally whatever they want whenever they want. Orgy, celebrities, doesn't matter. Similar to how the super emotionally tuned, caring guy can usually get any girl into an LTR if they're hot.
First of all these aren't really women. They are as much a woman as a romantic emotional guy is a man. These women have physicall, hormonal and often mental difficiances that make them that way. The only reason why a woman would ever chuck a Chad is because she's trying to preemptively avoid further rejection. It's the biggest red flag ever. If a woman proudly proclaims she's a heartbreaker and dumps guys after ONS it means she's been so badly hurt that all she can do now is repeat her cycle of trauma and hurt others. It's the number one trait of B-type people and they should be put in the ground.
Exactly you said it yourself. Those aren't really men and those women aren't really women. They are lost and degenerate and the more society is infested with them the worse things will be. Imagine these people having children.
I think it's more about these women having deeply seethed issues. That or they were born with a masculine mindset and never wanted the romance. Just like some beta guys never want a hot fuck.
A healthy guy always wants the best fuckdoll he can have and have her the way he wants to. A healthy woman always wants the best mate that she can attract. Healthy women and healthy men create a symbiose where a healthy relationship is born. When a man isn't taking the sex and a woman isn't taking the commitment all you get is fucked up shit like orgies and cuck couples.
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The issue is that this goes against the plating/PUA culture where guys loudly proclaim girls are all the same and only want to bang. The very idea of suddenly viewing women as more than one dimensional creatures scares them. Because they got burned when they ones did so. The truth is that life is about subtlety found in simplicity.
And that understanding women also requires you to understand men and how they work together. But I sure am glad to hear I am not the only one who tries to raise this point. We sure need more of that my friend.
Valuable lesson here. This girl I was seeing didn't put out cause she kept saying "I want our first time to be special." This was after we hung out many times, only reason I didn't drop her by then was cause she was willing to blow me but was more reluctant with sex. I kept trying to escalate in my car and other public places. Perhaps she wanted a fancy hotel room? Idk I dropped her.
Another time I took a girl out on a date and went for a kiss, and she said the same thing, "I want our first kiss to be special." That rubbed me the wrong way so the next day I told her it's not gonna work out. I'm just looking for pure raw sex man..
That's the enigma. It's not something tangible like a fancy hotel room or candle lit dinner. It's the entire story that revolves around them. Women approach things from a sophilistic angle and put themselves in the center of the universe. That's why women say "it just has to feel right'. The guy has to be right, the moment has to be right and the story has to be right. Now every women deviates to a degree. Virgins are very picky and a town whore is pretty much almost a guy when it comes to sex.
Honestly can mean two things. Either you are talking to a prude (low chance) or the girls are trying to BB you and string you along. It's up to you to pass those shit tests and prove you are AF. When they say special though they don't mean lots of effort, candle lit dinner etc. They just want you to be exciting, different. Making them feel as if they have a special guy. Making them feel special.
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You said it man. Perfect summary of what I tried to explain. Women want to feel swept up. Like they are the exciting lead in a movie. LTR's often end up in routine and routine is the death of excitement.
Of course she wanted a fancy hotel room, women want to be sluts, but they don't want to feel or be seen as sluts. I am pretty sure in the privacy of a hotel room, she would have put up, if you would have just hang a bit longer.
My soon to be ex wife (thanks Red Pill!) pulled this shit for months when we were first dating. "No that leads to things" everytime I went for a kiss. She was 17 so I thought it was pure innocence and something real would develop. What a beta and regretful mindset. I fell hard into the trap. Turns out when we went on a "break" largely from my sexual frustration she ended up banging one of my "friends" the first night, and didn't confess to it for a year. I had no idea. In that meantime I had finally penetrated those walls, and later found out I was #7 or 8, or who knows, in her short 4 year sexual career. Turns out she had been a huge slut before and literally found a random guy to give a blowjob too because she wanted to try giving a blowjob to a stranger for the first time, yet I, the man wooing her with dates, hours of time, gifts, flowers, you name it, was getting NOTHING. The hamster is VERY REAL. Later in the relationship (before I ever knew about the first guy...) things got bad, and despite all my beta efforts with fancy hotels, trips, amusement parks, she forced us to leave early so she could go spend a night with her best friend. Long story short, she thought she was swinging branches on the hypergamous tree with a guy that had been trying to seduce her and talked a big game about having two houses by the lake and all this and that. Turns out he completely lied his ass off, she left with him for a week and came back. Of course she had put out on the first night. Briffault's law is very real, and when I showed my soon to be ex-wife all this her reaction was offense, though it's objectionably true to no fault. None of my past fun times, values, gifts, trips, love, and admiration meant jack shit by the end of a first night apart with another mans cum dripping out of her smelly used up vag, even when she says "you're the one".
I think its good im getting exposed to stories like this. But it prevents me from taking girls seriously and Im unable to develop feelings at this point. Red Pill is a double edged sword
This is basically why the anger phase in TRP exists. Each beta who comes to TRP soon realizes that women have been treating him unfairly for his whole life.
And this is why I'm incel lol
I'm sure she would have, but fuck that shit she wasn't worth it.
Response: Oh didn't peg you to be down with that freaky shit.
Women watch porn more than you think
Well those girls having fun on holiday didnt need commitment did they, (or maybe the commitment level varys) agree on connection though. Its quite a taboo concept for alot of guys that women will have sex outside of a relationship.
Women will always look for a connection a.k.a. avenue for commitment. That doesn't mean they actually realistically want to enjoy your commitment. You could be talking to a girl from across the continent on WhatsApp and she'll try to. Women always love the chase and the fantasy of getting a guys commitment. But often times if the guy accepts and the situation isn't right reality sets in and the girl bounces. That's why long distance relationships and people with incompatible personalities don't work.
They love the idea of having your commitment but once they have it they will only then find out if they really want to. Those girls on those vacations all entertained the fantasy off "what if this is my future boyfriend gosh" and the fantasy is either maintained through pump and dump or shattered if the guy says yes. Again one of those girls wanted to have a LTR across states. Imagine if OP's friend had accepted. She'd be fucking the guy over within no time.
Always decide for yourself if a committed relationship is feasible. Never listen to the woman, they don't know what's good for anyone. At that moment they reeaaaaally want to. But the next they have to face the reality of actually committing. Sex is just a catalyst for all of this. And usually it's stays with sex, but that doesn't mean women don't entertain other thoughts.
They have a need to feel connection, same as us guys. The problem with the 'commitment' thing is a whole bunch of conditioning - a woman who enjoys sex outside of an established relationship is labelled as loose or slutty for example. Theres alot of BS and one size fits all doesnt work for everyone.
Well no, guys can always enjoy sex desperately from anything else. That's why a guy with a high N-count looks happy (not to high) and a girl with a high cock count looks miserably 1000cock stared dead. We can enjoy both the physical and the mental. Women can not they always intertwine both and reality starts to blur. It's why women get into guys and we wonder "what does she see in him?". While any guy with an ugly girl is just desperate, he doesn't see shit in her. Because men enjoy the physical and mental seperatly.
I am not sure what you are saying here. A woman that enjoys sex outside an established relationship is lying about who she is, to her husband. Women can only be three things in life, a nun, a wife or a whore. Nowadays women try to be all three and this doesn't work.
Relationships are K-type constructs for high competition ethnicities (animals) to deal with harsh environmental and social demands. Any woman or man who doesn't deal in this area is B-type in nature and core. Men can however both have K-type and R-type behavioral instincts. To pair bond and to have harem. Women on the other hand cannot. Women are either the wife that brings forth K-type men or she's the R-typer that shoots out disposable African babies. Low quality and low survivalist odds. Where K-type humans shoot for the moon and start to explore space the R-type human buys shitty trinkets, dances like a savage and avoids any confrontation. That's why sluts disgust men so much on a social level and why they were/are burned and stoned. They are the precursor of the end times.
sorry dude, you've been sold a bit of a lie here.
No man, women watch porn. But stories get them off more. That's why you have sexchat sites where girls ask to "RP" etc and why they read sex books. Porn is an addition to them, not a requirement.
You made some good points but this one is wrong.
This is simply not true and is an unhealthy mindset bro. It's awalt pure and simple. All Women Are Like That. Good families, bad families, abuse, no abuse none of it change awalt.
Lower class and damaged girls just don't hide it as well. Period.
Taking this so literal will not help you understand the nuances. Women are like that. But you are claiming that abused women with daddy issues aren't bigger whores? Untrue.
Where have you gotten this supposed knowledge. I think there's a difference between a problem riddled girl who doesn't respect herself and lets random guys fuck her brains out and a girl who tries to get with Chad. I've dated both types.
I don't think tons of sex is meaningless.most girls have N=30. They evidently want as Much from as many partners
But they arrived at N=30 differently than say a man would. Men who have a notch count of above thirty probably got there because "these girls were hot and I wanted to bust a nut". That's mostly what goes on in our heads unless we feel something for a girl. Meanwhile every woman with a notch count that high got there thinking "oh my god I like this guy so much he's so hot".
See the difference? We need release and they need connection. We bust a nut and they really really like a guy. I didn't really really really like a girl that I had a ONS with but she sure as hell liked me. I really really really really like my dick and that's why I used her to nut. For women this is entirely different.
So they indeed want much from many partners. But the fact that they have a high notch count proves that they got very little from them in actuality.
Can attest to this. An ex-girlfriend of mine has a very high sex drive. Said she didn't want a relationship, but ended up falling in love with me anyway. Later discovered she was fucking around behind my back. After I dropped her, she never stopped complaining how lonely she got from being single. It's not easy being a Chad, and it's not easy being a Chadette.
For girls who somewhat know they can't have Chad but still hamster together the rationale that fucking him is somehow a victory for them, for those girls it helps to have a steady boyfriend on tap and cheat behind his back. Although this has it's own drawback which they will be faced with.
Another snippet of proof that women don't just view sex separately is the fact that plates break. Girls give up on you. It's in the side bar, it's been discussed numerous times. Now why would a plate break if sex is enough for her? Because it never is. It's part of a larger thing which are their feelz.
After eating lunch with grandma today we went to the nearby used bookstore and the first two rows were smutty romance novels. You walk in and take a step and there you are. Apparently she reads them at an incredible rate.
Most women read romance novels in one way or another. Some go on sexchat sites to RP and others read amature sex field reports. Men watch porn all the time because we need that visual stimulant. But to women it's not about how people look but how people are. What is his personality like? How did they meet? How did he charm her? Is he Alpha? What's his social status? All these questions are not answered in porn. Which leaves women with a big hole of untapped.
They do watch porn but when they do it's usually when they already have a story in their mind and they project that story onto the porn clip.
So for example a girl was at the bar with allot of friends (all male friends) and she's ovulating but all of them were beta and didn't take the opportunity. She returns home soaked and hammered thinking about how much fun she had being the only female center of attention at the bar. Her fantasies are now running wild about 'what if' and 'what could have happen' that night. She decides to browse for gangbang porn and projects her own scenario unto the scene. Which in reality is just a bunch of underplayed actors fucking a whore.
Again guys would rarely do that. We do browse for specific porn if we saw some type of girl outside and got inspired. But we don't relate our lives and the story that revolves around it to a clip. Women have to, it's what creates the excitement.
Sex is easy for a woman to get. As long as she isn't completely repulsive (even if she's ugly), there's some guy out there who will fuck her. She just needs to make herself available.
The fatal error that women make is in assuming that a high partner count equates to high value. That's true for men, but not for themselves.
"True for men, but not for themselves"?
It means that for a man to have a high partner count is a truer estimate of his SMV than it is for a woman. Guys will fuck down a lot which is highly correlated to how convenient it is for them. Regardless, any man with a high partner count very likely has something going for him of worth. Women do not require much of anything beyond what they are born with to have access to sex.
For women, access to sex is a given, it is the question whether they can get the type of man they want, not if they can get a man at all. For many guys coming up, it is first a question of if they can score at all--it's very possible as we know that if a man does nothing he can remain celibate for a VERY long time if he was not already born with various advantages. We're not even talking about an ugly dude, even average guys. If you do not provide some type of value, you do not fuck. Simple as that. So a man who fucks must by default be providing something even if it is just feelz and tingles.
The issue then born is that women do not understand that there is a huge difference between guys that they can fuck and guys that they can keep AKA get commitment from.
EDIT: just want to make a little side note about something I was pondering.
Guys can also find themselves in weird spots where if they are not quite beta cucked enough to take on a provider role or get into the habit of being useful to women, yet they do not possess the ability to execute on alpha traits or behave in such a way...well those guys are the most loneliest of all. Not one or the other, not pussy whipped enough to be beta and not yet alpha in the slightest. Society will despise you, you will be alone and isolated.
Even then they still can't compete with the average female. Let's face it, no woman dies a virgin willingly. But there are a large portion of men out there who actually will. It breaks my heart. Through junior high I was an untouchable because I had puppy fat and zits. In high school both left, and suddenly all the girls who mistreated me like I was a leper were selling their ovaries to get my attention. So I used and abused them and in parting made sure to remind them of the horrible shit they had said. They acted as though I was the monster for it. I enjoyed the fact in four years I almost fucked the entire year when before not one of them would even willingly talk to me.
And they say women have less sexual appetite for variety than men.
So do you think that it's just that all women cheat in that scenario or that the women who would cheat in that scenario go on solo vacations?
I think that having a girl say she wants to travel alone is just girl speak for "I'm bored with you and I want to have fun without you" distilled to it's very essence.
My answer is both...
Probably. Girls who are heads over heels on some guy would very likely not want to be away from him. If they do want to be away from him they aren't crazy for the guy. Hence why they cheat.
jesus christ, thank god I have better goals than women nowadays
Same. Far more enriching and fulfilling things out there. Just fuck and chuck when you feel the need to.
Your job sounds interesting.. How did you get into it?
I had experience traveling.
Due in no small part to the resources provided by this community, I've built up my charisma and social skills.
I went on a tour with one of the big guns in the company as my tour guide. Total luck.
All three factors played their part, but luck was huge. There was one spot that was made available just as my tour ended, and I had just happened to mention my interest in the job at the same time.
It's a field where there's a lot of competition. I have at least 1-2 people ask me to get them a job per tour, and countless people that apply from home.
We're a small enough company that we only hire people that have been on tour with us. We can't tell from some PDF resume if they're good with people, or whether they can handle going out without losing control. There are too many intangibles that can't be written down.
For the most part, girls don't tend to do well in the tour guide position. If you've been following this sub for awhile, you can probably guess why.
I have a similar job to yours, and i work in a tourist city. It really is open season. Girls are never going to see any of these people again, so they're extremely forward with me. It's insane how easy it is.
are you porking a lot of the "ladies" on the tour or is that verboten?
Technically against the rules, but it happens. Just have to be good at keeping it under wraps.
awesome
what kind of tours do you guys do?
1-2 months sounds like a trekking adventure ...
Just tours of entire countries. Hit every town for a few days, do some activities, party every other night. Age range is around 18-24
That sounds awesome and expensive
You'd be better off getting a job flipping burgers, that could at least lead to franchise ownership. A tour guide is one of the lowest jobs on Earth, it's a zero skill job for people who aren't even capable of unskilled manual labor.
On 1-2 month tours? I doubt that
Haha you're not running contiki or something per chance? I remember the debauchery from the Contikis i've been on, as a single guy and a as a couple. The guys I chatted to running them were pumping a new bird each week.
The fittest bird was on the trip, with a boyfriend, they claimed it was no barrier and they'd have bedded her by the end of the 2nd night.
Sure enough, the deed was done by the 2 chefs, double teamed her.
I wonder if that got back to her christian boyfriend... bahaha
That's not funny that's just gimpy behaviour
I literally don't understand why TRP is against men in LTRs cheating. The stats are literally here.they don't give a fuck. Purely from an investment/economic standpoint,or protecting your emotional wellbeing,its nuts not to cheat to cushion the blow.
And no,I'm not talking about about spinning plates, because men have a need for LTR/stability as well.
Why cheat in an LTR if you can just spin plates and be open about it. I don't moralize so nothing against it but the alternative seems easier to me. I also get the position that your word is valuable and you should maintain that value.
I agree...and 10 times out 10 in a LTR a women can, and probably will cheat. I've been left holding the bag as the loyal partner just to be crushed and resentful as hell, I definitely understand the "cushion the blow" part. I am very adament if I had a FWB or a side chick I wouldn't have fallen into deep, dark, life threatening, jail time earning behavior. Falling in love to one woman can be a death sentence on her whim. NEVER AGAIN
Because you’re adding unneccesary drama to your life that way. Not only that, but you increase your anxiety by trying to cover it up and hide all the time. Be open with your LTR about banging other girls from get go, you will be surprised at how compliant they’d be with that.
Moral of the story is, don’t lie, own that shit and bang other women because you’re free to live life the way you want to. Don’t hide like a bitch. It’s not cheating if she agrees to it.
Kinda odd to be the same kind of person we dislike about most women.
Anyone who thinks the average girl has had less than 15 cocks in her by the time she is 22 is either ignorant or horribly deluded. Only ugly and fat girls have low counts like that, attractive girls get pumped and dumped more times than 15 in a year. But what do I know? I'm just an old guy who had been all over the world and is extremely observant.
Create a fake account, message them. lol
Hey dude, if this is the case then can I book a tour? ;)
A month long tour? What the hell kind of tour is this?
Are you suggesting that men who travel for 1-2 months don't cheat on their girlfriends at all?
Some humans cheat. Some don't. Amazing!
Hasn't it already been proven, that under the correct set of circumstances... everyone will cheat?
Damn, it's so true. I studied abroad in the Czech Republic a few years back and just about half the girls in my program had boyfriends back in the states. Student hostels might as well be student brothels. Preppy girls from the east coast looking to get drunk and study (strange dick) for a semester. I feel bad for their cuckboys at home who think their girlfriends are drinking cappuccinos and appreciating the architecture.
Maybe boys fuck sluts back at home too.
Yep. We should really stop perpetuating this BS that men can do no wrong and are 100% honourable. If they had hotties staring them down all day, best believe they are seizing some of those opportunities regardless of their relationship status.
A man is as faithful as his options.
That's what I was looking for! :P
not my man, he openly tells girls who are hitting on him he has a GF (now wife)...he intends to remain fully faithful and not even go to strip clubs or any other activity that she does not like or could ruin his marriage. I guess straight-up pure betas are 100% honorable.
It's not even remotely the same. The same would be if when the girl is cheating on her boyfriend abroad. The boyfriend starts a second relationship with another girl. That's what it would be like to them. They give sex, we give commitment.
A guy fucking another girl next to his girlfriend is like a guys girlfriend friendzoning some dude and having him pay for icecream while the boyfriend is busy. You don't give a shit so long as you are confident she won't fall for him.
Most don't realize sex is different for men and women. Each sex has different needs/wants and views the act of giving sex differently. Good luck trying to explain this to most here though. For 90% here sex is sex.
Well guys instinctively know how bad it is when a woman cheats on them. That's why you see guys calling out the slut. Sharing truths etc. We might want to fuck sluts but we are repulsed about being emotional with them. This is easily avoidable when you are plating one. But when your girlfriends turns out to be one you feel cheated. Guys project this disgust on women and figure women feel the same when they cheat on a girl. But it's not.
You can even flip this around and see how women are disgusted sexually when they shit test a guy into betaness. So when they like a guy they actually try to not come across as beta instead of being submissive. Lots of girls that liked me and I knew wanted me stubbornly kept their distance after a fight because they were afraid i'd be disgusted by their needyness. Again, people project.
Another great example is how sometimes girls try to make a guy jealous with another guy as a last resort. They actually end up fucking the other guy and figure this will somehow spark their targets interest. Because they project and know that if the guy would fuck another girl, they'd want him even more. But they don't realize that in the eyes of a guy it doesn't work like that. Having your girl fuck another dude is like having a glass fall on the floor and break. You can glue it together but it will forever show you it's cracks. And yet again, women don't understand this because they project their own attractions onto guys. They don't realize it will disqualify them for life.
There was a great field report a while back, where a guy did exactly that - found a new partner. She came back from the long trip, and blew a gasket. "It was a mistake" "I didn't do anything" etc., etc., after saying she wanted to be free and have fun. He knew what was happening and just moved on. He held frame and just 'meh'. Men and women are different, to be sure.
Nothing will kill them more than you getting on with another girl. You fucking another girl, not so much. But the reason why guys are confused with this is because most girls are so insecure that the very thought of you fucking another girl romantically threatens their source of commitment.
But you will notice once she forgives you and acts like nothing happened, maybe she'll be distrustfull but she will like you as much if not more. But for men it's the opposite. Girl does that to a guy and he might be blue as balls. He will resent her forever. Can't reprogram the anti-cuck-defense.
Good point and important distinction.
Having said that, it doesn't make a difference to my point. I was talking about honour. Let's not try rationalise that it's different because there are different degrees of honour.
Under the right circumstances, men are not honourable, just as women aren't. We're all flawed people and almost every single one of us is ultimately selfish.
Well yes in other times fucking another woman would be undermining the pairbonding you made with your wife. Even though it's not the same as when she would be cheating. It's still something that can run against your code. Just remember that women have no code, neither does our culture nowadays.
I'm curious to know why do you think women have no code, what's your theory on that.
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That's a horny man doing what he was born to do and spreading his seed.
To be fair, it was an extremity to make a point. The only reason men are loyal/monogamous is because of their lack of abundance or abundance mindset. As another comment mentioned on this page, look at what happens when we finally get to a place of abundance.
That doesn't really matter, point still stands. We could say women need to work on their impulse control. Doesn't change the reality.
Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. What is the problem with open polygamy, especially in a time of safe sex and birth control?
Polygamist societes, apart from the obvious perversion and moral depravity, are more violent societies. Because polygamy is the rule of the alpha, 90% of males won't get any pussy if the alpha can lock up all the women. Monogamy is the civilized compromise that lets every male dip, and in return societal aggressiveness is lowered.
Perhaps I'm thinking of something else.. an open sexual society on both ends. Not sure the term for that. Similar to Brave New World. Of course, that has its own complications (raising children, for one).
Any suggested reading material to dig further into this?
Lol, you dudes sound more and more like actual fascists every day.
I mean, I definitely don't run around fucking everything I can. I have better shit to do and worry about. I was only a man-whore temporarily for the ego boost as a way of making up for all the years as a loser. Nowadays I just try to be more social, get to know people, and enough sex comes along anyway naturally because you come off as genuine and fun. Sure I could get laid 10x more actively seeking it but it doesn't appeal as much because my ego doesn't ride on it anymore.
I think that's what has started to happen to me over the last couple of years, thankfully. The [over]exposure to pussy helps greatly in taking it (and sex) off the pedestal. That's allowed me to relax significantly about this whole thing and actually start having fun and focus on stuff that actually matters - mission, lifestyle, health.
But my point was about loyalty/monogamy. Can you see yourself, in your position of abundance, first, even being in an LTR, but then staying in a LTR and only having sex with one woman for the rest of your life? If not, the only alternative is multiple partners. My argument is that the way men go about that is just as deceptive (and lacking honour) as the way women go about it.
Hence, men are not infallible as some of these comments keep spreading.
Can confirm. In my early 20s, I and every other guy at the resort were surrounded by pussy. Some of the guys, including me, got bored with one nighters and got into a ltr. We still had side pussy though. Only once or twice a month, so that doesn't count.
Maybe, but we all know the chances of that happening don't we.
It should be noted that whenever women chose to get away from their boyfriends for a prolonged period of time. That usually means they want to get on with new dick.
LMAO...it's delusional to think so.
It's so funny reading these comments
I remember times where I used to envy the guys who had very pretty girlfriends, but for some reason all of these girls enjoyed going on vacation without their boyfriends and would take their female friends with them instead.
I am glad I know better, though I can't deny that the reality has rendered me bitter.
Bluepill conditioning really is cruel. Cheating is one thing, but being conditioned to trust these hypergamous cunts unconditionally crosses the fucking line.
Careful. Channel that anger towards yourself, not them. Use it to improve yourself. You're still allowing their actions to affect your mood.
It's really been good to see more comments like this on TRP lately. Anger is a poisonous emotion when directed towards women in this context.
I've done much better for myself by simply not caring. Once you've decided to not be BB for the rest of your life, you're not looking for women to behave well, and so you won't get angry when they whore around. Actually, this hypergamy tends to work in your favor.
This is EXACTLY why it's time for me (and probably others, who have internalized trp) to take a break from trp. The law of diminishing returns applies massively in this case. Sure, I've improved many areas of my life, but my emotional intelligence with women has taken a hit, if only due to the constant reminder of hypergamy/slut behaviour always keeping me on guard around them.
Fuck yes. I think this sub is good for incel guys just getting off the ground. But once you have the skills required to reliably seduce women you target it's good to get this shit out of your head and just be who you want to be.
This sub constantly tells men how they have to behave. You have to be possessive and uncaring and (figuratively speaking) slap your bitch around if she screws other guys. As someone who prefers open relationships but not one night stands, I really couldn't give a shit. To this sub I'm a cuck, but for me there's nothing more beta than giving up what you want and who you are to conform to the culture of some subreddit. To me, being bitter/angry/possessive towards women is often a sign you're getting revenge and are still butthurt about all the years Chad was swimming in it while you were dry.
"To me nothing is more beta than giving up what you want or changing who you are to fit into a culture."
This.
It wasn't until I read 'The subtle art of not giving a fuck' and 'Models' by mark Manson that this truly sunk in for me. The pinnacle of alpha is allowing your true self to influence your principles, then let your principles govern your actions. Any copycat mentality really is the essence of beta and slavery alike. Trp is not separate from this in any sense.
As long as you arm yourself with knowledge and don't hamster any of it away, any actions you take or perspectives you hold, are yours. All you have to do is accept the responsibility of outcome.
Certainly. Whenever anyone mentions how women have generally become 'less' than what we want I always remember that men are the natural leaders of any society. It is man's fault for steering Western society in this direction through lack of leadership.
It's very satanistic indeed. But I think a large portion of society is catching on in terms of memes etc. Remember that there has never been such a cunty generation of women as there are now. The women who are 30 years old now never experienced Tinder in their prime, sexual hook up culture etc. The girls who are doing all of this now will give off lasting impressions on guys and when they near the finish line of the wall. Every guy will think the worst of them.
You watch and observe as the next generations of women implode completely. They can only be so hypergamous until it becomes noticeable. When it does men check out.
There's actually an ingenious safety net installed within this sexual symbiose between men and women. Men need sex but don't generally need commitment whilst women do. Women can play the game of AF/BB but only until they are 30. At that moment they crash. But men can continue to date and get with younger girls.
This means that when a generation of women hits the wall they are reliant on men to give them what they still want, commitment. But men are not reliant on women at this point in their lives if ever. Which means the old washed up slut gets overruled by a younger girl who's willing to provide the same and better.
So what you will get is women finding out that live sucks after 30 and men find that they can keep playing the game. Female happiness takes a nose dive and male satisfaction equalizes. This leaves women to either shape up or get even more suicidal.
The bitterness fades with time and you begin to tolerate female behavior the way one tolerates a storm ravaging their personal property. It merely becomes a matter-of-fact expectation and you do your best to insure damage is kept to a minimum based on previous experiences.
No matter how shitty or good the chick is; 99.9% of the romantic relationships you build will be temporary. Most women are emotionally more fragile than men so they're more likely to branch swing to satiate their need for human companionship and possibly resources depending on the girl's personality.
So man is now awakened to female human's animal nature. What does man do? Sit, sulk, and lament over this harsh reality? Or does man solve this problem for himself? Boys do the former until they attain self-discovery and progress toward becoming a man. At which point, they take the latter approach.
A boy becomes a man and says "to hell with what others think about me or have to say" and does what's best for himself and what makes him happy. Man lifts, seeks out education to cultivate his mind and problem solving abilities, learns to become self-sufficient etc..
The outcome is simply a man that women do not want to leave. He is a patriarch. He is physically fit/toned, has amassed a reputation of accomplishing valiant deeds and achievements, has a far superior intellect, and is a voice of reason, leadership and rational judgement. Things which woman desires for her own good.
Think of the classic epoch The Odyssey. Odysseus is the poster man of the quintessential Western culture alpha male. Wise, a strong warrior, the head of a house, was lost at sea after fighting battles tooth and nail with his comrades and losing them all to merciless death... And he still returned home. And his wife Penelope stayed chaste for him since no suitors could outdo Odysseus in any accomplishment. Upon his return to Ithaca, him and his son Telemachus slay all of the suitors with their superior fighting abilities. Homer even makes remarks about Penelope feeling lust seeing Odysseus' body covered in blood after slaying the rogue suitors who occupied his house during his absence from Ithaca.
But the important part of this is.. The only reason Penelope did not remarry is because none of the suitors could prove superior to Odysseus. At the end of the day, he remains the king of the mountain and keeps the girl.
So if you're with a girl, you must be her alpha male to retain her chastity. She has to see you as superior where she is blessed with your leadership and companionship, not you being blessed by having a piece of arm candy. You're an alpha male you can have any arm candy you want.
Surely one will never be a pinnacle alpha in every avenue imaginable, but one can maintain a certain status in a girl's eyes. Your girl isn't going to be regularly approached by guys on the tier of Dwayne Johnson or Ryan Gossling, but surely you can maintain a lifestyle where you're above the average (even those above average) drunk horny 20 something trying to pick up chicks at a bar.
Play with fire get burnt. Date a hot chick and have respect for the complications that will come with dating a hot chick. Always submit to the omnipotent power of the natural world and accept it for what it is and you will be granted the wisdom to navigate it.
I highly suggest reading The Iliad and The Odyssey. It's chock full of red pill truths and timeless wisdom.
My girlfriend tried to go on this vacation with her slutty ass friend last month. "Oh we are just going to Denver for a week cuz i havent seen her in so long". Bullshit. I told her if she decides to go the relationship is fucking done and im not ok with bullshit like that. She didnt go.
Got some bad newz...A LTR-worthy girl has no slutty girlfriends.
Thats only bad news if youre in a LTR
Either way you're being cucked as we speak.
Yeah man. Slammin vag every night with no effort. Super cucked.
You can do that without a LTR...besides slamming new strange is much better then old strange. Lets be honest.
Who was that one girl who didn't cheat? Give her an award. lol
I'd hold off until after her next trip.
This is weird because I'm in an opposite scenario where a girl & I aren't exclusive but she wants to travel with me. We're sharing a room. I don't understand though. She doesn't even hint that she wants things to be "locked down" but she does "attach herself" to me.
What does this mean?
You're a plate. Enjoy your turn.
We both model(met her on a bikini shoot). She's been latching onto me because of my influence. For all indications, she respects & admires me. When she does wrong she expects me to get mad, & makes it up. She doesn't go a day without texting me & when we first met(2 weeks ago) girl was blowing up my phone. Responds to KINO, no rejections. She escalates.
Like she on Sunday I was invited to a lingerie party after a shoot. She was literally blowing my phone upset she couldn't come as my guest with me. But then other days, 1 word texts. Like WTF.
My SMV is significantly higher than hers. So, there's that.
Bet your ego likes little miss priss riding your dick, eh?
But she's getting something out of it too. This is all transactional (always is too). And that's ok, bro. Just realize:
She treats you like this because she is reading that as what you want. She is in 'act like the girl he wants' mode. Good place to have a girl, but keep your fucking head and don't take her seriously. Ever. Make sure you kick her dog next Tuesday and randomly ignore most of her daily texting bullshit.
Oh and spin more plates
Oi, the pup did nothing wrong. Ok, maybe he shat in your shoes, but that is unrelated.
One day she's writing crazy full length texts and the next day she's sending 1 word replies? Doesn't sound like a girl that's just playing and acting. All of this sounds as if she's trying to manipulate him into something. Which implies there's something she wants from him.
I have more plates. She knows it. Girls toss themselves my way, she's fully aware of this.
Okay. I'll stay sober. Hold frame.
Thank you.
She's just texted me. Ttyl I'll reply later. Thanks for the advice.
I really like your advice. What's transactional? I'm not doing anything though. Like I don't pay for shit, she'll drive to see me. I'm just being me. What's she after?
If you want her as a LTR you just have to be patient and remain non needy. The fact that she was blowing up your phone while you attended a lingerie party shows she's nervous that you might switch her for a better woman.
Every time you feel like you're doing something 'correctly/BP' (offering commitment, giving her your time) she backs away. It's in a girls nature to do this..
Women aren't us. They look for different things in a mate. Where we as men like women who are young, loyal/obedient and offer affection (qualities of a good mother). Women want men who value their 'purpose' job, resources and social status above them (qualities of a good provider/father).
If you can approach things in that manner it will make sense. 2 weeks is way too soon to be entering a LTR. You barely know each other. Chill out, carry on going about your priorities. In 2 months she will start giving you the 'sooo like what are we...?'
Yea, you're right she's Love-bombing though. She's literally just dropped "I love you" tonight.
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Why, I have other girls I talk to. She just attempts to monopolize my attention.
Idk why you're so confused by her actions they seem perfectly normal to me. If you met her in any other social interaction other than a one night stand, and ended up fucking, girls act like this to justify to themselves they are not a whore. Girls are literally on their phones 24/7, just because she texted you a few hours in a row doesn't mean she wants something from you. Just means you have her attention for now
You're right. She is always "finger-fucking" her phone. But I'm talking literal moments after we parted company within the first days she met me I had to silence the bitch because it was ringing off the hook. She was texting me so much my friend knew who was "pinging" my phone without seeing it.
What's your experience on this? Do your plates exhibit similar behaviors?
Ayy, if she had dicks in her before you, don't invest emotional energy in her.
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Girls can't plate any more so than a guy can friendzone a girl. Think about it. If you say, friendzone some girl, you are essentially friendzoning yourself. Because you lose valuable time and attention on a girl you aren't even gonna fuck and she gets to enjoy your attention for free. Same thing holds true for women. Women can't plate guys. She will just end up plating herself, selling her goods for zip while she could get a high value guy/Chad to commit.
I can't believe that a TRP endorsed commenter makes such a fundamentally incorrect statement.
You are absolutely wrong. Guys can friend zone a girl and girls can plate guys. She can be both a plate and have a guy for a plate although that does not appear to be the case here. As I say, he is the plate.
This is not an argument
Neither is this
You've just written down an entire comment with no solid argumentation or explanation beyond "it is so because it is so". As I have just explained, men and women deal in different currency. Men give commitment and women give sex. It's very simple actually. A man cannot spend his commitment for a girls commitment without friendzoning himself. And a woman cannot spend her sex for a guys sex without plating herself. Because they are spending their primary currency.
Guys that plate girls spend almost no commitment currency and get sex in return (great deal). Girls that friend zone guys spend almost no sexual currency and get commitment in return (another great deal).
What you are suggesting is that men and women are the same. Deal in the same currency. Have the same desires in life and that they have identical brain processes. Which couldn't be further from the truth.
Any guy who proclaims that he is friend zoning girls is doing himself a great disservice because he's losing out on time spent on girls who are actually sexually interested, his prime prerogative. The same holds true for girls but since you aren't a girl it's perhaps harder to understand. If you however believe that friend zoning a girl is to your benefit I would recommend you retake the red pill. It has been clearly stated over and over again that having girls as 'just friends' is the most moronic thing you can do as a guy.
It means you're doing something right. You're currently the guy she wants to have those peak experiences with. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Thanks.
I am, but I don't like being taken for a ride. I'm very acute. & she probably realizes it. Something stinks. She wants something from me, aside from intimacy. But I can't tell what or why?
If your SMV is higher than hers, then the answer is simple. Hypergamy. She wants the status and validation that comes with being around a high value guy. Bonus points if she gets beautiful pictures while traveling to stunning destinations with said guy. Women live to post that kind of stuff on social media.
That isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can do the same thing to a degree and that will attract yet more women wanting to be in the same position. Not to mention it's simply fun to travel to these places and have a cute chick with that wants to bang you constantly.
I'm going to write a post about this.
You're either her plate or she's afraid of bringing up exclusivity in case it freaks you out and drives you to leave, so she'd rather enjoy what she has and not fuck it up. Probably a mixture of both emotions. Humans are complicated.
It's not that hard. You plate a girl and enjoy your time and never bring up any exclusive bullshit. That's her job. If you are the top 1 guy she will inevitably bring up the subject. Either that or she's afraid you aren't interested in her and she tries to get your interest or avoid rejection.
That's what everyone keeps saying. Seems to be the diagnosis because I can sense something's up. I have girls into me all the time, & this ones not strait forward. She's def interested because she's invested. But there's like a weird a distance between us that seems convoluted.
I wouldn't pay attention to it. Simply just keep lifting, keep pursuing your personal goals, keep doing activities/hobbies you enjoy and hanging with your friends, and keep improving.
If she leaves you, that's her problem not yours. You can get other girls of equal and/or better value if you simply just keep yourself moving forward/improving on the straight and narrow. If you're actually doing this, she will be aware and will stay chaste for you given she has no better options. Or if she's a garbage human who gets what she wants by lying through her teeth and she's riding side dick.. Well you wouldn't want her commitment anyway. Dump/Next/Plate her.
Overall, focusing on women past making her smile and laugh is stupid. You shouldn't care about labeling the relationship, that's a female desire. If she wants to cheat or fuck other guys, let her go do it; but she should know there's consequences to those actions (dread) which causes her to not do it.. Unless she's stupid as fuck or has shitty manners/social skills/poor self control.. Which is someone you wouldn't want to wife up anyway.
She's not interrupting my life. I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's going on/what she's doing early so I can be prepared.
She already knows if she Fucks up I automatically correct the frame. & if that doesn't work.
Otherwise: Ghost.
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You must be older because you sound out of touch. Just sayin'
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I agree with some of the things that you said. Maybe they just honestly want a relationship & our generation of young men are to cynical, individualist, & selfish but, that doesn't come from nowhere. Adaptation.
I would put my money on the the prudent practical view over the idealism.
They are like unicorns or fairies. Women with proper father figures who grew up carrying outdated ideals about what kind of man they need and what kind of women they need to be for that man. They have strong willpower and self identity to go through their youth ignoring most of society and choosing a rare path. Many fail, I'd say less than 1 in 100 make it to unicorn status and the number falls with each generation.
For 95% of men they have no chance of getting a shot with a unicorn, unicorns are after the elites of men. For the remaining 5%, hopefully some of you, you have to recognize that most of the women you date will be typical sluts, some wolves in sheep's clothing and maybe if you are lucky you will be able to settle down with a unicorn.
Fact of the matter is though, revolving your goals around fucking sluts will exclude you from this chance. Taking the truths of the redpill without the women hating and striving to improve your market value by becoming a high value man will though.
This ^ when you get confused, remember hot chicks are the by-product of being focused, pursuing your goals/dreams, and raising your SMV...they are not the destination. Keep focused on doing what you enjoy, having fun, and dgaf about anyone else.
LOL. Don't get your hopes up. I married that girl. She's a bossy nag with trust issues, always wants to wear the pants, has no sensuality, expects perfection out of everyone around her, and doesn't put out often enough to be worth the headache most of the time. Some of this is her demeanor, some is my fault for showing beta behavior during the engagement and honeymoon phase. If you find this faithful girl, you still have to keep at the top of your game to get more than a pittance of beleaguered respect out of her. She saw how fucked up the rest of the feminine world was during high school, and is convinced that hers is the only golden pussy in all the land due to it's virtue. In truth, hers is the driest because none are good enough for it. That strong willpower is a double-edged swprd.
Eventually I'm going to either break her or max out dread game and get divorced. Probably the latter; because her entire identity is completely wrapped around this self-identity of righteous perfection and virtue.
Drool all you want over this archetype, but her ego is monstrous. Real Taming of the Shrew shit.
I always love a good TRP vacation tale.
My buddy (RP-ish) went on a trip to Cuba and met a girl from a town near his, who had a fiance. At the time, he was looking to expand his up and coming business to nearby towns (hers included). He proceeds to fuck this girl for his entire vacation, a vacation in which her boyfriend was there with her, but she kept trailing off to go fuck my friend.
All throughout this little episode she's trying to convince him to relocate to her city for work - telling him pretty much verbatim: "If you move to my city I'll leave my fiance for you. I'll be the best girlfriend blah blah blah".
This was after knowing him for only a few days.
She was considering leaving her fiance of who-knows-how-many-years just because some guy she barely knew displayed alpha traits and gave her a good dicking.
I never tire of this shit and these stories. Thank you TRP, as always.
This along with the OP are exactly the things that makes me believe im forever changed and will find it impossible to develop genuine feelings for women. It's like, why bother if they treat men this way? There's no respect for their "boyfriends" to any degree.
Those last two paragraph's really take the cake. Once a whore will always a whore and that is a philosophy to stand by. And they won't be deterred for a single second to reconsider their actions and behavior otherwise.
Likely all those women have beyond-beta boyfriends for them to even let them travel alone. But it is their loss, and certainly shouldn't be a surprise when and if they come to their senses.
Yep, if she can cheat on an LTR for you, she can cheat on you when the next Chad Thundercock comes along. Good on Tom for being rational.
Its a very reassuring part of the whimsical nature of women you bring up.. It also cuts both ways and when she cheats ON you then its a lock she will cheat on the new guy too.
When you calmly gaze at the situation from above you can see it has nothing to do with your or his strengths and weaknesses and is all about the girl being herself.
Gives your ego deserved rest. Beating self up over womens lack of loyalty is blue pill conditioning.
This is NOT a license to be a cuck. its more of a mindset to treat relationships with women as a man, not a lovestruck boy
Yes ! Be Marcus Aurelius not Nicholas Sparks.
Low value women generally only manage to attract betas. Then they go on vacation and try to shop for some more expensive shit. They are still very much the loser. Just like the guy who tolerates being with them.
"let them travel alone"
Always the same, you don't have control over her and she does not have control over you.
"I am not a dictator, I can't make anyone do anything, but there are some things I will not tolerate in a relationship. You are free to go out and do stuff with the girls, and go to Cabo, but I will not be around when you get back"--Tom Leykis
Girls need to go out with their girlfriends and be slutty.
Guys need to go out with the boys and hit on some chicks.
Always have AWALT in mind, but living a life were you walk away or she gets passive aggressive every time your LTR goes out with friends is nonsense.
There's a difference between going out with the girlfriends, and going on vacay without your LTR. Frankly, if a girl wants to go to a meat market bar, then she doesn't need to be in a relationship. She doesn't need to be trolling for dick, just because you are kicking it with your friends. A guy that consistently needs to be out hitting on chicks, instead of being out with the guys shouldn't be in a LTR either. When I was in a relationship, I still had guys night out, I still hung out with my friends, but I wasn't out consistently hitting on women, I was just kicking it. I also wasn't going to meat market bars either, I was going to places where I could chill and enjoy myself and not be in that environment.
You can swear to be on a diet and only eat chicken breast, but if you keep showing up to a butcher shop, eventually you will end up taking home that NY Strip. A guy that puts up with that is asking to be cheated on, he's asking to get cucked. Have your lines in the sand, and go from there. If she values being slutty and trolling for dick over being in a sane relationship, then dismiss, or demote her to plate status. Don't tolerate it within the confines of a relationship.
This is probably one of the best thing in life
Agreed, but "consistently needs" is the key here. If it's sporadically, to get out of the routine can be a good thing.
Again, I agree with this. But this is not the scenario we were discussing.
Traveling alone is sometimes necessary in certain situations. To me, the suggestion that these women have super-beta boyfriends is the fact that they want to travel alone and not desire his companionship on the trip.
Imagine you have an awesome girlfriend and your single buddies are going to party to Ibiza. Would you go?
Romantic partners fill a different need than our friends. Is just a different dynamic, and nobody likes missing on fun stuff.
This idea that if you have an awesome LTR you should want to always go everywhere with them just seems so flawed to me. It's probably based on codependency.
I just spent 3 weeks abroad doing a course with people mostly my age. Around half of the girls that had a boyfriend back home and I got to know cheated. Nothing unexpected. Disappointed, but not surprised. The same logic was also valid for men, though.
Yup. We don't 'deserve' to cheat any more than girls do. Let's not have that double standard.
In other words, never commit, and fuck whoever.
I would love to commit, but damn, it is so dangerous and risky these days.
Women are much better at cheating than men, that's why this info is surprising to some of you. When you've been the other guy for a while you see it a lot--especially if you have lived in a place like Las Vegas.
And that doesn't count the plates she's spinning with sexting or FB messenger.
I would have guessed 3 out of 5, but hey it just goes to show you how accurate TRP is.
Except for the one girl, but then, I wonder what she looked like...
My guess is really statistically 80-90% women do same thing , does not matter which one but yeah, thats why 80-20 rule in my mind is so accurate , 80% of the women that do the same things, cheating, eating, sleeping, etc .
I don't think women are necessarily better, I just think (beta) men are more likely to be aloof/naive. Women are constantly hyper tuned to whether or not their SO is doing shit.
A big difference between men and women in my experience is that a male cheater knows what he does is wrong but ignores that for selfish reasons, while a female cheater will somehow rationalize that what she does is not wrong..
It's in the Bible:
"Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness." Proverbs 30:20
So true. I've done some shitty things before but by fuck if I didn't feel bad about it. Not true of the times I've had girlfriends mess around.
Women can't get cucked so a male cheater doesn't matter much to them other than it being a threat. That's why women forgive and can return to feeling the same for a guy, if not more because he proved his worth. Meanwhile women who cheat basically cuck the guy. Male hind brain kicks in and gets disgusted by her and will never feel the same for her. Because now the risk of cucking is high. And cucking equals genetic death, men who got cucked and din't feel disgust for it didn't reproduce. Even if he's blue pill and has oneitis, deep inside he will resent her for it. That's why you read those cringy posts where cucks lay down their guts for the world to see.
Now a man getting into a romance with another girl while he still has a girlfriend. THAT is the equivalent of the female cheater. Because at this point a man has basically cucked his girlfriend into giving him sex while he gave some other woman his commitment, his affection.
That's why women are so deeply concerned with "does he care about me" and men are concerned with "is she cheating on me". I mean these subredits are the perfect example man. TRP Is littered with slut alarm questions and tips, field reports and rants. While some female sub only deals in wondering if X Chad or Z Boyfriend actually cares about them.
But but but but MY girlfriend would be the 1/10! We've been together so long, we're so close, there's NO WAY she'd just throw it away! It's like she's always told me.. sex isn't everything!!!
/s and good post OP.
In Europe we have this exchange student program called Erasmus.
People don't call it Orgasmus for nothing.
It's common knowledge here that couples don't survive it. period.
Yes, local men who live in areas where Erasmus students come are some of the luckiest bastards out there. As long as they look decent and have Game, they are able to swim in an infinite pool of international pussy.
I don't know about that. Most local guys are Blue Pill as fuck around that age and most are in relationships.
It helped me get a little bit of pussy without looks or game, but most importantly showed me the true nature of women and take them off the pedestal. A mild Red Pill awakening of sorts.
Brits flashing tits in the club can do that to you.
There are plenty of 30+ guys who are gaming Erasmus chicks, especially in Italy and Spain. Combination of good looks, Game, age and local knowledge is definitely a recipe for an easy lay.
Yeah, but I wouldn't say plenty. Most guys that age are in LTRs here.
Some of them don't mind cheating, especially with a girl who'll be gone very soon anyway. Again, the point is that as a male Erasmus student you have disadvantages that local men don't - like knowledge of local language, culture, places, a car, a house etc. They regularly visit bars where Erasmus sluts are going out and they pick them up with ease.
Been there done that. Same with tourists.
I see your point, but I don't think male Erasmus students have a disadvantage. They know the girls, develop conform, experiences a bond, they just have to apply a little bit of game when going out.
God bless Erasmus and the whores it brings us.
Seriously never heard that one.
Really!? Maybe you're in the "giving" end of the program.
Well I never were one for student college stuff. My high time was high school and I could never relate to the way kids tried to jump up the pyramid in college. I did finish my degree btw, reluctantly.
Sometimes I read posts like this and I'm just like "Fuck, can you imagine that 1 in 10 girl, though? Was she hot? Was she normal? Was she overtly Christian? How do we get more of that? " lmao
Stonings in the public square...or at least fault based divorce.
This. Not stoning, but ensuring that the cheating partners takes nothing that they did not earn.
but they had to fuck the fat boring hubby at some point. thats hard work man!
Lol, I guess maybe we should just legalize whoring outright and just pay for our companionship.
That would unironically solve a bunch of problems.
see, there are several ways to answer this but honestly most guys trade resources for companionship anyway
there could easily be two types of services : whores and old style geisha.
Geisha were entertainers, and men paid for their company not for sex... at least not officially anyway.
I don't have a problem with this at all.
Simply put, consequence. And that will come. Be it stonings, fault based divorce or eternal catitude. Women will in one way or another find the consequence in what they do. For the time being men are still catching. Women weren't obviously hypergamous enough. Now the stories are spreading like wildfire.
I've been worried about this too. my girlfriend of 5 months is in Germany for 2 months to visit her Uncle who has a kidney failure. When she left a couple days ago she asked if I was coming so I told yes, the next week. This morning she texted me to say that her Uncle is in the hospital and he can't pick me up from the airport but early next month would be perfect. I told her I already booked the flight and I cant come past the 21 because it would cost too much to rebook. Then she texted me saying she was so sorry and she would help pay me back for the ticket but her Uncle is too sick to have anyone else in the house. Do you think she will cheat? She's only had actual sex with 1 guy before me in Germany but she goes to clubs and everything so I dont know.
If you don't see a red flag here then i would know what makes you see one. Obviously she does not want to share the emotional side of hers with you. Why, i have no idea, maybe she is with you for other "assets"
Clearly she's grieving over her uncles state of health and really busy with family matters.
Uh huh, sure. Can't tell you how many times I've heard that one.
Judge her actions, not her words. She's cancelling plans for you to see her and wants to spend the time partying and hanging out with other guys. She's putting you on the back burner in case she changes her mind. Do you really believe there isn't another way for someone else to pick you up? That solution would be simple.
Yeah dude. No doubt she's cheating or going to cheat very soon. I promise you she will. Alcohol + Fun + Isolation is the formula that makes cheating inevitable. She has all three of those in abundance.
Have her cover your plan ticket ASAP. Then save yourself the two months and dump her. If you don't you'll be cucked for sure.
Something smells fishy. You can't visit and stay somewhere else?
Exactly. Also, "since there is no airport pickup, better come a month later" It's Germany, ffs. Everything is close and accessible by any means of transportation.
Mehhh why bother? If she doesn't do it now she'll do it later... and in that case, is she really worth any effort?
she's getting a healthy dose of uncut german sausage. sorry brotha.
and by German you mean a 6'2 Somalian
they're all germans now lol
Might as well find a Swede too
You can get everywhere in germany from every single german airport for like 100€. If you don't mind me asking, which city and airport are we talking about here?
It's best for you to not overanalyze the situation and let the truth trickle out when she comes home. It will.
Until then, hangout with your friends and enjoy your summer. Don't dwell on it.
Minor issue (hotel instead of uncles home, cab instead of a ride) shall be enough to offset a planned and booked flight. She even negotiates to compensate you. Man... Please. Look at it from a pragmatic point of you - she needs time. For what is up to you but I have some kind of hunch.
She's going to ride that Islamic BBC...
Med dude here. Kidney failure isn't a death sentence and some kidney failures can be fixed in a matter of days. I would very suspicious if my SO didn't want to come see her uncle because he was too sick and in "kidney failure". You do realize all dialysis patients are in kidney failure and live normalish lives.
Unless she is retarded with medical diagnoses, something is fishy.
If her uncle is that sick she wouldn't have time for clubs. You seem emotionally attached, find a new girl to fuck. it'll help
If this sounds reasonable to you then it might be the case. But I can't imagine someone being so sick that having my SO around wouldn't help. You're an extra person who can help out.
Not surprising in the slightest but also disappointing. They get to enjoy strange dick and justify it, it's practically a free pass. If they insist on travelling alone, just save yourself the headache and cut it honestly.
i used to bang this dime in college that studied some medieval history bullshit major, but some courses she took were anthropology related. so they had this trip for the whole summer to go to serbia, croatia, and a bunch of other eastern european countries as part of their coursework. so the following semester we meet up for a fuck and share our summers with each other. now, this girl was in a very serious relationship with her man (lol which of course never stopped her from hopping on my dick and other guys dicks even in college.. btw, her man was in the same school as us but he lived in the uptown campus lmao). so anyway, she hooks up with some serbian slav motherfucker who pounded her into oblivion the whole time she was there. and she says to me "hey, i needed to get fucked and my boyfriend is in the states, what's a woman to do?".. not only that, but she told me about all the other broads that went on that trip from our school, got their pussies smashed as well and many of them had boyfriends. nothing new and nothing changes.
To me this goes against the general red pill dogma that women need commitment and men need sex. If that's how it was, why would these women risk losing commitment just for sex?
they want best of both worlds. fuck whoever they want and have a shoulder to cry on when they get home. also, providers. that's why the cuckolding is so popular now and many women bring that up to their partners.
Don't men want the same, fuck whoever but have faithful loyal partners waiting on them? I don't really see the difference. Ultimately both just want power and pleasure.
I guess the caveat is in the "want to fuck" part. Men will fuck a lot of stuff but women only want the very best.
generally speaking, yes, but you'd be surprised how many men are actually happy with just having one person and having a monogamous fulfilling relationship. men are also are less likely to cheat than women, they are more loyal in that regard. i'm sure there's a study or survey to back that up, but i'm simply stating from my experience. i could be wrong.
Yeah I've been the other guy too and same thing the chick has the audacity to mate guard on me?!! LOL fuck that shit. Told her in no uncertain terms that we're not exclusive so I could still bang her
Is mate guarding part of TRP terminology? Anywhere I could read up more on it?
It's actually a scientific term, all sorts of animals mate guard as well, its really an interesting subject as mate guarding can be effective strategy if both partners are and remain in close proximity to one another. For example with ducks, if female is left alone for a prolonged period of time she will seek out ducks nearby and have a good romp in the lilly pads with them, before her pair bonded mate returns home with resources. Bitter truth that most mammals are polygamous and that urge does not go away because of a promise of monogamy
Means what it says man. Trying to guard your partner from getting poached.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/therationalmale.com/2012/11/01/mate-guarding/amp/
I want to believe that two people can be loyal to each other and not have sex with anyone else while they are together. I desperately want to find that someone for me and share an amazing, fulfilling life with them... but with this stuff happening so often (I hear/see it happening around me too) I have so little faith in this perception of love and so little trust in other people. How can you reconcile feeling like you can't truly be happy unless you have that other person to share your life with and not being able to trust anyone and believing happy monogamous relationships are becoming a thing of the past?
Couple things.
1) You need to come to terms with the fact that the fairy tale happy ending probably isn't going to happen for you when it comes to romantic relationships. Statistically, it simply isn't a thing you can depend on anymore. I personally have switched from wanting a partner to grow old with to wanting a partner to reproduce and raise a family with (with paternity tests after each birth). That would be fulfilling for me, regardless of the outcome after I have the children I want.
2) These stories are horrible, yes. But not every girl is off traveling like this by herself. It's typically only girls that have had enough of the relationship and were going to cheat soon anyway. That's a large part of why they went on the trip in the first place. Be the guy she wants to travel with.
3) Set firm boundaries early on in the relationship and make sure your SMV is always rising. That is your best chance to have a happy monogamous relationship with the woman always respecting/loving you.
4) Again, decouple your sense of worth, fulfillment, and happiness from women. I am perfectly OK with dying as an old man living by himself as long as I have kids and grand kids around when I do. If I want companionship I'll either have male friends or I can pick up some old broad that I get along with well when sex is no longer that important to me.
Make sense?
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That's me right now. Waiting for God and loving every minute of it.
Find yourself a traditional, conscientious woman. Religious even. That is the only woman you can really trust and bond with in an LTR.
5 years (NOT MARRIED).
Go to church, find someone with good morals. Have a higher SMV than your partner. Fuck like a champ so they have no excuse to find good dick elsewhere.
Cross your fingers that NAWALT (AWALT)
You know I'm going to throw some sense into this thread. I know I'm late. But I've done my share of study abroads.
The girls that had boyfriends back at home and cheated on them when they were away, it was pretty obvious to know which ones these were.
What I'm getting at is I knew within the first five mins of meeting these women, which ones were going to screw around. So I blame the boyfriends for even getting into a committed relationship with them.
My last trip we went to London England. There were three girls and one was really good looking. She was easily the best looking girl on the trip. She and along with two other girls had boyfriends back at home. Those girls only came out to drink and party with us ONCE.
And it was the first day. We all went out to some clubs to drink and dance and stuff. They only did that once. While my wild ass did it every day I was over there along with some of the other women.
Instead of drinking with us, the girls that had boyfriends would go to be early or keep to themselves. Like it would be 10pm and either people would be in my room drinking or we would be in the girl's room drinking. The girls that were loyal to their boyfriends would just stay in their rooms and there was plenty of times me and some of the other girls tried to get them to drink us. They refused.
Now the girls that had boyfriends and slept around, I mean they were already talking about partying before we even boarded the plane to London. These girls were drinking with me and a few other people pretty much every night and you can guess where that lead too.
So what I'm saying is, your girl does not need to travel to cheat. The ones that are sleeping around when they travel are easy as hell to stop. Do they go to clubs while they are in their home country? Are they always on social media being an attention whore? Do they like to drink and party a lot? If the answer is yes, then these are the ones that will cheat behind your back.
you nailed it. When in similar situations I could point the girls that were up for cheating within minutes of knowing them. They showed clear signs they were not LTR material. Some were devious enough not to cheat with us in the group, but with strange local guys, reducing the possibility their boyfriends back home would find out.
Sorry, what do you mean by the last sentence? Like just ditch her after?
No calls, no texts, no answers. She's dead to you. That way you don't obsess over her and move on as quickly as possible. You don't get sucked into the lies and the bullshit. Meanwhile her hamster goes into full meltdown.
Fun to witness the hamstering. It's kind of like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.
If your gf wants to travel abroad without you, either alone or with her girlfriends, let her go and don't object. Then ghost her. Don't bother try to change her mind or argue about how you don't like the idea. When they travel they go sit on cocks for fun.
Not even with once by saying that's sounds horrible? I thought the man was supposed to lead that situation. I would like more clarity then just let her do whatever.
I would at least express that she will be plated at the very least if she leaves. Those are the consequences and you should hold frame. That being said, the urge to travel is a bad indicator anyways.
Girls aren't stupid.
When you threaten her with 'consequences', remember that she does not speak in the same language as you. All you are doing is telling her what she needs to lie about. This is why the strategy is to let them do whatever the fuck they want - WHICH THEY WILL DO REGARDLESS - and make your decisions based on her unfiltered behavior. Paradoxically if you succeed in this strategy and are willing to genuinely let go, she will be less likely to do anything that would risk losing you. We call it Abundance Mentality.
Maybe she cancels that trip to keep you. Then a week later she is fucking some local guy. Or has been all along. But you'll never know now will you?
Because you are a big strong alpha captain who warns her of the consequences of her actions because she is just a silly dumb girl who doesn't know better tee-hee
They fucking know exactly what they are doing. And they have since about 9 years old. That's a hard part of TRP for blues to swallow, but it's also true af
It's a lose-lose situation really. Because following this strategy leaves the possible scenario where you ditch the girl because she decided to go on this trip when really she planned to stay with you. ie she'd be that 1 other girl that didn't cheat on her SO. I know that in terms of expected value your strategy is the correct one, but still. Guess the ideal thing to do is to become really really good at identifying behavioral clues in order to figure out whether she's that 1 girl or not.
It's a lot easier making +EV moves than trying to predict how the cards are gonna fall before going all in.
If she doesn't know better than to decline going on that trip out of respect for you, she's not gf material. It's one of those things she should know not to do, by herself. If you tell her not to go, she'll see you as the bad guy who's controlling and won't let her "have fun". If you tell her you feel uneasy about her going on the trip (aka being weak and insecure), she'll reassure you with "words" that she is loyal to you but she'll go on that trip with even less respect for you and a thirst for foreign cock. If you let her go and take welcome her back when she comes home, she'll see you as a naive beta who lacks self respect and she can easily play you for the fool that you are.
If your gf asks if it's okay to go on that trip, you tell her that she's an adult and you believe she can decide for herself. The goal is to let her show you the type of person she really is, and not the person you want her to be. Of she goes, you next. If she stays, you reward.
You're moving on because she wants to go, not because she actually goes or doesn't go. If she wants to travel without her boyfriend that she supposedly loves she's at the very least testing the waters with other men to see how she can do if she leaves you.
If she still wanted to be with you she would want you to come with her, it's a no-brainer.
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Western women will literally suck a cock and then 5 minutes later, right after she wiped the cum off of her lips, lie to your face about it and have absolutely no regret or emotional hesitation. This is why you must be ruthless with your next. Ghosting is key because it is dishes back her disrespectful actions onto her. She wants to go be a slut? Fine then i'll cut her out of my life like she didn't exist. Even steven imo.
i've witnessed this with all women. same shit, different country.
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You underestimate my ability to detach emotionally from a woman. You should never have the kind of relationship with anything that you can't walk away from immediately and remain emotionally and logically intact. This is just good life advice in general, because nothing is permanent and everything will eventually die/move on/expire etc.
I'm not saying never love anyone or have an intimate connection with anyone, but I am saying to lose the unconditional type of love every boy grew up feeling for his mom. That shit doesn't exist in reality.
You could hope she doesn't cheat on you and play the field while she is away, but for myself at least, it would be far more beneficial to just cut all ties and move on. Cold case that shit.
I agree. My ex-gf went on a night out with my sister and got with my sister's bf's friend. My sister even saw them. Such a bitch move.
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"bellies and vaginas filled with other men's cum" L fuckin OL
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That's TRP. I'll take this shit any day of the week over of going back to a blue pill fantasy world. Be thankful you're aware and that you can learn to adapt.
Reframe it positively --> Gives us Men the assurance that we should never commit and just fuck whoever we want. Enjoy life, know she's never yours, it's just your turn.
No I'm never hers. It's just her turn.
If a guy manages to grow as a man and follow RP principles, then this is absolutely correct. A man's gotta realize when he makes the transition from him being along for her ride to her being along for his ride.
Never yours, it's just your turn.
damn son.. that's gonna be rotating in my thoughts for a while
You're not hers, it was just her turn.
Have your cry... then get up and realize that this is the reality of the world, and what you are crying over... was the lie.
The sooner you accept that this is just how it is... the quicker you can get on with your life.
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No way to OD on Redpills son, keep it up, it'll only make you stronger.
this doesn't happen very often in Islamic countries. Women are held highly accountable
I'm starting to wonder if this subreddit is actually geared towards muslim-conversion of its readers
I think this sub is more geared towards accepting nature and trying to adapt/be successful in it. Not Islam's solution which is to just use violence and force to make people, including Chad, be the way it wants. That's some beta shit imo.
Chad gets 50 wives in Islam, beta gets 1 or none.
Nope, it's not based on game or looks or self-improvement. It's based on being an elder son in the noble family or some other stupid, purely luck-based shit.
largely depends on the country. Like Christianity there are many sects. The multiple wives thing doesn't fly in Iran for example
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Maybe they're in an open relationship
The important thing to know is your boi tom is in geology and once hes finished he needs to get in bed with a fat ass oil company and stack paper.
Uh unless he specialized in petroleum geology he'll be starting at around 40 to 50k a year at a consulting firm or with the USGS. but yeah. Paper can be made down the road if he takes the right path.
Yea you know what I mean. Rock dudes in oil and fracking make pretty solid money. I have family in the industry and they pay their rock dude well over six figures.
I've been thinking through a situation relevant to this all day.
I have an LTR of maybe 6 months who has been complimenting my lifestyle nicely. She is low milage, respectful, hot body, lives healthy and craves my cock like she needs it to live.
She has an overseas trip coming up that was booked and paid for before she knew me. It's mostly staying with family, but there is a 10 day Contiki tour that concerns me. I'd like to be trusting but AWALT.
Not sure if I should just let her go on the trip and hope my gut instincts will sus out any bad behavior or just end it and go back to spinning plates.
What would you do brothers?
Given the right circumstances LTRs are definitely my preference.
6 mo. LTR? I wouldn't even give it that designation at 6 months, because a woman will rationalize it the same way. "Oh, it's only been 6 months...".
You have no choice on "letting" her go on the trip. If you try and say no, you're boned.
Go with your gut, go with your gut, GO WITH YOUR GUT. If anything surfaces that even hints that something went down, eject and spin her.
I figure one of two things will come of that.
You create more value through scarcity, and she doubles down on you.
She gets pissed and blows up at you, and tells you in vivid detail how she got filled in all holes by Chad Thundercock on vacay.
I call that a win-win.
She'll go on her tour. It's pointless trying to forbid it. You kiss her and tell her to have lots of fun.
While she's gone, make a point to meet other women so you don't feel like a cuckold.
When she's back, you won't be suspicious, just happy and a little guilty (in secret) about what you did while she was away.
But if she doesn't fuck any guys you've gone and cheated for no reason.
What do you mean, no reason. She was away for a long time and you were lonely.
Come on bro, don't you think thats a bit hypocritical? You have two hands, pocket pussy, drugs and a g spot.
My LTR has had distance for over 6 months, I didn't have to cheat.
A tough situation since it was booked before she knew you. It's easy for any of us to say end it and spin plates but the fact is we're not in that position.
I personally think the odds are stacked heavily against you but ultimately you have to make that choice.
I just plated my LTR a week ago for similar behavior. I'm a happier and less stressed man for it.
Medium is the message.
Also, 6 months is an STR
You should let her go. It looks desperate saying to her that she can't go on a trip that was already paid for before. Either you say don't go and she'll resent you for it or let her go and don't worry about it. Gives you more precious time without her to better yourself.
Man I went on a Contiki Tour in 97..Everyone was hooking up with everyone. I would not be real stoked on this. However, what options do you have? None.
Dont do anything. Make sure she cant get even sniff of your concerns. If she does you multiplied chance of straying.
Then carefully watch her act during trip and after. If its smells wrong even a bit or your gut is saying you something drop her or snoop to verify.
She's going to have strange dudes cumming on her face brother. If you keep her, you get to kiss that face. What's your gut tell you to do?
Swallowing trp is the best thing I've done in many, many years, perhaps one of the most important events in my life. Why? Because it genuinely fits like a fuckin glove with what I've observed in reality. I too have observed what OP is describing on many occasions.
you don't need to "swallow" anything. The red pill is garbage. Just consider yourself a little more self actualized and aware of the shit people are capable of. Don't start calling yourself a red piller optherwise you'll be swallowing a different pill in a few years when you realize TRP is a fucking joke. Men just need to be MEN and not red pillers.
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Tell her you're glad the precedent has been set, and you're not gonna think twice before doing the same thing when the situation presents itself to you. You're trying to extract more pieces of the trickle truth. Gauge her response; if anything went down, you'll likely be able to see it.
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man, put a rock over it and forget it. This will lead to you leaving her if you pursue this old issue now.
On a similar note, if you are in the military and have a wife/girlfriend, she WILL cheat on you while you are deployed.
On a similar note, if your wife/girlfriend is in the military, she WILL cheat on you while she is deployed.
Women live their entire lives in a continuous state of sex accessibility. When this goes away they are completely unequipped to deal with it.
In other words, water is wet.
I was working for an youth exchange organization which hosted people from all over the world. Around 70% of them were girls. Saw this kind of thing happening weekly, often on the first night the people arrived.
Was a fun few years for me, and I really learned a thing and two. Remember a girl I spent a night with Skyping the next with her boyfriend how much she misses and loves him. Later she slept with 2 other guys within the few weeks she was there.
One thing I noted was that people from Asia were in general more committed to the ones back home and didn´t fuck around as much as those from Europe/America, though it still happened.
idk maybe the asians are just better at hiding it
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The International Backpacker Trail is a partyminded fuckfest full of HB's with bugger all ASD becoz "who' gonna tell?"
It's a fucking casual orgy, pure and simple! And the hostels are well aware of this and cater nicely to such proclivities
Suffice to say, as a guy it's best to travel alone, if you go with a mate be ready to part ways whenever as things come up which will take you in opposite directions as nobody will be happy with a compromise, believe me, I've seen heaps of this
And, NEVER go on a Long trip with your GF, unless you're incredibily tight and already live in each other's pockets!
And IF your GF goes backpacking ... split up and tell her you can see what's up when she gets back. It will save you both a lot of grief
Otherwise it's almost certain that you'll break up somewhere along the way and it will suck for a while
It happened to a German couple I lived with in Australia for six months.
Eight mths into "their" trip, (we'd all moved out about a month earlier, I'd gone to Melbourne) she goes off travelling alone for a few weeks while Wolfgang went somewhere else "trusting her" LOL! dumbass
So when he called me after he'd just found out that she was running off with some french guy she met "on the trip to tasmania", he's shattered and I can feel his pain over the ph.
Amazingly we discover we're in the same city, I'm with two Swedish chicks having a barbecue and I Tell him to 'come over to my place' Right Now!.. He does and later I take them to this great party pub and Wolfy has a blast, get's pissed and ends up going home with some cute nurse! Superb! It was the best thing that could've happened for him and he was over his ex overnight! lol
TL:DR" ALL backpackers are Sluts. Male and female it matters not! If they're under 30 they're out to fuck with SFA ASD becoz "who's gonna tell"
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I'm wondering about the backstory of these girls. I think that any girl who goes on a vacation trip without her boyfriend has moved past the honeymoon stage long ago. The reason they travel in the first place is to put themselves in these bad situations. Because they are bored. Five years is a long time. I'm not sure about the others.
Also remember that if all those girls hooked up with the guys from the trip. That means that heavy AF/BB rules weren't even in play. They just wanted some other guy, probably because they are bored.
Most people beat a dead horse for far longer than they should. To understand that sometimes you have to let go. Especially when it comes to women. After the four year mark it's done, there's no spark anymore for either of you. Now this sucks for anyone who wants to build a family and secretly hates putting himself out there. But it's the truth.
Exactly!!!!!!! And that's what a lot of users here are failing to realize. Not every girl that travels is going to cheat and slut it up. I mean c'mon.
The ones that do are either in shitty relationships to begin with or were whores before they got into relationships. They don't need these trips to cheat.
Lets put it this way. The type of women you see doing this probably has one or multiple of the following:
These girls are going to most likely cheat on you.
Actually I think I clearly stated that every girl who travels will most likely cheat if the moment is right. But you will only see cheating girls that travel because the girls that don't cheat are staying at home with the guys they still have emotions for. It's like visiting a casino/bar and all you see is addicted people that gambling and drink. That doesn't mean every man is a gambler and alcoholic. But those who visit casinos and bars certainly often are.
There is no realistic way why a committed woman should want to be apart from her husband/boyfriend if she's happy in that moment. Girls that travel are inherently looking for something (a.k.a cock), that's what travel boils down to, looking for something. Travel and exploration are two different things. Explorers look to find themselves through the unknown. Travelers (often women and beta men) look to find others to fix their problems.
The problem is that almost any girls nowadays is connected to dating social media. Likes to go out and socialize, tries to get with men and dabbles in drugs because the people around her do so. They just roll into it. That's why TRP stresses the importance of finding a virgin who hasn't gone through all of that. With the emphasis of "who hasn't gone through all of that". You can be a 25 virgin girl and you're still a red flag if you do point 1. 2. and 4.
I went on a semester abroad in second year and in the program there were only 2 guys including me and 18 girls. The other guy was what Mystery would call an Average Frustrated Chump but, to be honest here, so was I. I knew of the red pill's existence but I was still a virgin who didn't lift.
Anyway, I did end up losing my virginity and then some (logistics were just phenomenal) and as OP said, a lot of the girls were in relationships and every single one cheated (one of them with me). I was very bitter that only one cheated with me because I had my eye on two others as well.
Here's the thing though: I recently dated a girl who got a job across the ocean for six weeks and I had to decide if we were going long-distance or bust. Thanks to the red pill awakening I'd had in second year, the choice was a very obvious one: I had to break up with her. And I did. I'll never know for sure how much pain I spared myself but I'm at peace with my decision and grateful to this subreddit.
Good for you. You did the right thing. Not many are wise and strong enough to do so.
The truth of the matter is girls don't even have to travel that far to cheat on their significant other. All they require is the feeling of attraction and a little nudge in your direction. I remember in college this one girl wanted to "meet up" with me after class when I had remembered she clearly told everyone in our group she had a boyfriend of 3 years.
Out of interest, how many of those 20 guys had girlfriends and did any of them cheat?
Also interested in knowing this... Not trying to equate things, it's just that I don't know why most guys here expect so much about fidelity from girls, when I've see the same on the other side. Many of my buds plated other girls while having LTR, and I've done it too.
I think it's more of human nature than gender. Monogamy is a myth.
Two issues though: 1. For guys it seems complicated when we get caught, because of BP narrative in society. 2. Girls have easier access to sex, but high SV can do the same for us.
For peace of mind, I just think that any gf I have might cheat any time, and just accept it. If I see signs from their actions and I do have the chance, I'll also do it and at some point just ghost.
I read stories about girls cheating on their boyfriends all the time when they travel to another country alone on another forum. It's basically a guarantee that she will cheat when she's going on a trip with her (girl)friends. Hell, they are cheering each other on to do it too.
Worst part is when you realize that through microchimerism, if done unsafely, this dna will be with this women forever.
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I just smoked a blunt with yo girlfriend
Or just spin fucking plates. Simples.
Fuck yeah bro, one on each finger, one on each toe.... And a mandatory 2 on your cock at once
I might still be not completely unplugged, but can someone explain why you ghost someone without even mentioning that going abroad without you is something that is not acceptable? I'm from Europe and especially during your studies it's common to go abroad to improve your CV. Ghosting someone because of that without any warning seems a bit overkill. Wouldn't it be the same as a woman ghosting her boyfriend without any warning because he's going to a business trip?
I've been group travelling since the age of 14, for many different reasons (education, work, ngo programmes, leisure etc) it always ended up this way. ALWAYS. Oh and also, cultures differed, nationalities differed, "characters" differed blah, blah, blah AWALT!
Am i the only person getting tense from reading those kinds of posts? xD
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That's the hamster running at full speed haha.
I already knew this was true, but just reading it breaks my heart all over again. How could you do that to your partner?
I hate that this is the reality of the world we live in.
No surprise, my ex cheated on me and left me for another man -- that's not the way she tells the story of course, but it's what really happened.
Fuck em'
I lived on the receiving end of this situation. Many tourists and exchange students came to the Mediterranean to party. So many Americans, Brits and Germans wanting to ride some local latin cock. I assumed 90% of them had boyfriends back home.
Good one. I have been "the other guy" many times in this situation and several times the broads did a horrible job at hiding that they had a boyfriend back home. Saying "I love you" on the phone and shit in hushed voices and coming back into the room and saying they were talking to "mom".
This is why you beautiful bastards should be satisfied that you have found TRP. One of the main reasons these girls go on these vacations and cheat is because their boyfriends have no frame and no game. With frame and good game, you can mitigate some of this stuff, and even if you can't, you won't really care anyway because you'll be able to replace her rather quickly
True story. I myself was on studying abroad on an exchange program for 1 year and as I first met people there a lot of exchange program girls already had boyfriends at home. Maybe as much as 60% of them. So when they first told me that I was disappointed and thought it couldn't work out. But roughly 1-2 months in about 80% of them cheated or broke up with their SO's. One girl even set up an open relationship (LOL) with her SO's that would allow them (her) to fuck whoever they (she) wanted. I myself even got several of them to cheat after I noticed that this was how it goes (humblebrag). Moral of the story? AWALT. Don't let your girl go on exchange. It's simply a bad idea.
This is why I go to edm shows and raves. Yeah. Your ass and pasties on your titties shows your “commitment”. Wanna go back to my hotel room? Never once have I not fucked a girl once they decide to go back to the hotel with me.
What about the one girl who didn't cheat..... was she really ugly, really fat or didn't get caught ?
I'll bet on 'didn't get caught'.
I just had this discussion with my friends yesterday. We went to a rural part of the country where many people visit for fun and partying over the holidays. 2 out of 4 of us have GFs. In the club we dance away and try pull. We pull girls and guess what? They have BFs. The usual line of, "Well, is he here?" normally makes them cheat very quick. I'm the only one of them aware of the RedPill etc and try to open the discussion the morning after that AWALT. It's just a fact of life. If you ever had a GF or have one now then they have cheated. We are not meant to be monogamous creatures. A recent study was done to highlight why millennials cheat, and it's mainly a fear of boring monogamy.
I think Richard Dawkins put it best when he said, "We are a monogamous species plagued by adultery."
I also took this gem from his book The Selfish Gene:
"If you wish, as I do, to build a society in which individuals cooperate generously and unselfishly towards a common good, you can expect little help from biological nature. Let us try to teach generosity and altruism because we are born selfish. Let us understand what our own genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their designs, something no other species has ever aspired to do."
Essentially saying yes, we're not born to be morally perfect but we have a brain that is capable of overriding our biological impulses...our biology is no excuse for being an asshole.
This coincides with a pre and post vacation trend I've seen with girls on tinder, along with plates I know, and other guys LTRs. Girls will always try to start cheating even before they leave. I've had two ONS with girls leaving college to go back home and they use plausible deniability with 'I'm so busy packing ' etc. Seen the texts a girl sent saying this on one occasion verbatim. Happens all the time during holiday seasons too. Most girls will get back on tinder after these occurrences because either A) They trickle truthed to their BF and they dumped her, or B) Their BF is so clueless and believes her bullshit and she know she has him cucked so hey why not? I need a new Chad because he would never let me get away with that!
I remember I went on a study abroad trip to Berlin with some classmates. Therefore I knew for sure most of the girls were married or had a BF back home.
Of course, that didn't stop me from banging two of the girls there (the girl I went to and from with and another girl I got to know better on the trip).
We all came back home like nothing happened. Something about being in a foreign city and alcohol...
Ask me again why I look down on women
Think of trip overseas as free pass for you also, go do what you want to do brother.
That may work for some but I personally would never compromise myself and break my word like that. I think there are a lot of guys that feel the same.
If I am vulnerable enough to be in a LTR with a girl I'm doing her a great favor with the value I bring to the table. If she can't remain completely monogamous with me I'd prefer to just spin plates and remain emotionally unattached. Plus it would be an indication to me that my SMV has dropped and I should work on myself, by myself.
Gotta ask, What if she has a school trip or a career orientation out of town? What if she's going out of town to see family, and youre too busy to make it?
I would be pretty pissed if I couldn't travel without my girlfriend because she was worried I would cheat on her, that sounds to me like insecurity.
Am i buggin?
They cant all be cheaters man come on what if she really fucking likes you boys gimme something to sleep with here. . .
Do i really have to be paranoid everytime I leave the woman I want to be with, that some guy is going to game and fame her?
With that being said, if what OP is saying is true, then your girl is probably going to meet someone, somewhere, and bang them. You probably wont even find out about it if shes smart enough.
Am I the only one that still wants to find a partner and raise a family?
Are you talking about NAWALT here? Personally, i don't know, women seem so shallow and generic nowadays, feels same, same selfies, same dog filters, same quotes on facebook wall. I can tell you i ain't sure waiting for my own peer to "grow up" from "whoring phase" to marry her, that is for those other guys who are too desperate to be alone.
How exactly was this data collected? I'm having a hard time picturing how he determined nine of the girls had cheated and even more so, how he determined one had not.
exactly, all those hoes probably cheated for all he knows. I need more details. This story sucked.
It's just some neckbeard trying to justify why they are single.
I think these kind of thing runs both the ways. No?
I'm not here to say it's not true, cause it totally is. As a girl who DOESN'T do this, I have been mortified by how quickly my girlfriends would switch gears when their boyfriends were gone. Even funnier, men get genuinely confused sometimes when you end up alone with them and you still reject their advances. Must happen so often that they actually have to stop and think a moment before saying to themselves "does she really not cheat or is she just not into me", lol.
The problem is that nobody values actual values. They just want sexy alpha garbage. I married my husband because he turns around and pays for things we accidentally get away with not paying for from the grocery store. If I were ever to have genuine interest in another man, he'd have to be such a nice guy that he'd refuse to sleep with another man's wife anyway. I can't tell you one girl friend of mine who also felt this way.
I have way too many hilarious stories about slutty ex friends. One girl I knew would only sleep with her friends' boyfriends in order to feel good about herself, and she made this decision knowingly while still a virgin. Could totally write a book.
Serious question, not insinuating anything:
How do you end up alone with a random dude if you have no intention of doing anything with him?
Girls don't like girls. Most of my friends were male, like most girls, usually the boyfriends of old friends that got cheated on lol. Because of this, most of my male friends just assumed I would sleep with them all at one point or another, so when we did end up alone or I let one stay over, they looked confused at me when I showed then the guest room... Lol.
In fact, the day I met my husband (we weren't dating yet but we were "taking"), one of my best friends for years made a pass at me right when he went home lol. Needless to say, I don't see my friends as much after getting married, though, lol. Not a good look for a married lady to be hanging out with guys you know would sleep with you if you gave them the green light.
Girls like me only exist when we grow up fat with older brothers and get skinny later lol. Even some really nice, virtued girls I knew fell into sluttiness eventually. Always seemed to be their thinking that it's an easy way to feel special, when really they make laughingstocks out of themselves. Will never forget my old roommate telling me she gave the best blowjobs, only to hear my buddies she blew joking about how they wished she'd stop and just spread her legs. Same girl would walk around naked when I wasn't home and my boyfriend was there. When he told me he found it awkward instead of finding them creeping around, I had to marry him.
Wow I have too much to say about how much women suck lol. Men suck too, saying stuff like pump and dump and stuff, but women are a lot more methodical and I find that worse.
What would you call 'an extended period of time'
Maybe they are following the red pill advise themselves. Hahahaha
Edit: getting more plates
Yep. Actually, "propinquity" is what gets you started with a woman and unfortunately without it you tend to lose the woman.
What I don't like about it is this goddamn "wherever I go, she goes," thing when you have a gf - and when you have a wife she becomes the ball & chain. Does that sound attractive to ANY man? Fuck no.
In many ways, a gf or wife is too much like having a dog. Can't do anything without a plan for it.
If you ever get married, probably the max number of hours you can go without seeing your woman is 48 hours. Which again - is a like a dog. These bitches are fully dependent.
It's just ovulation, right? Once a month, every woman will bang the best guy she can find in the vicinity?
Thanks for the post, but what if you are in a LTR already and your girl, inevitably, travels for career or with friends. Are you just supposed to leave her for that? See other girls on the side while shes gone? Not be in a LTR in the first place?
This depends. Not every chick is going to become a slut because they travel.
With that said, only you can know this. Is your LTR a party girl? Does she like to drink? Does she like to go to clubs and bars? Does she like to flirt with other guys? Does she do any drugs?
If the answer is yes to any of those, then yea you may want to end it. Or you can stay with her and become a cuck. Its up to you.
I've been on my fair share of study aborad trips and not every girl with boyfriends cheated or slept around. I've been to work conferences where women had husbands and boyfriends back at home and didn't do shit.
However, I've also seen plenty of women take their wedding rings off while they are away and plenty of women admit they had boyfriends back at home either hookup with my or someone else. However, these women were easy to identify as they were the types who liked to party and drink.
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Yea based on what you wrote Id dump her. No way I ltr a party girl that does drugs.
Deep down inside women lose respect for you when you let them travel like that. In their hindbrain they want to be captured or owned by a man and when she travels like that she realizes she isn't owned.
it's like what possible reason does she have to go on an overseas vacation without him coming along? if she's attached to him she'd want him there.
This is hardly a revelation. Lots of people, men and women, want variety. When I played rugby I went on lots of tours, and lots of guys with girlfriends went out pussy hunting. Today I go to lots of business conferences and many married men go out pussy hunting in the evening. In this respect, it's not "AWALT" but "APALT" (the P is for people).
Most guys who will say "Men are loyal" and "I would never cheat on her" are guys who have never had a serious LTR and have never experienced the monotony of fucking the same pussy for the 1,000th time.
Why do ballplayers who are all dating or married models and actresses screw strange pussy on road trips (including groupies a couple HB points below that of their wives and girlfriends)? Because they can and because they want to. Look at the girls Tiger Woods banged.
If you ever go on a foreign business trip with a group of married men, I'll bet you 80% will hook up with hookers or a ONS. - and just before and after they'll be texting their wives back home about how they miss them and how they wish they were along for the trip, etc.
LOL, I've got a girl here from abroad, she has a bf for a couple of years already.
The BF is successful but fat and ugly.
Long story short, she has cheated on him with a friend of mine. Almost cheated with me too.
The poor guy is posting on her IG with hearts and kisses while she blows my friend's cock and getting drilled by him.
As long as this girl successfully et themselves pregnant they will for sure come For those child support money
Tldr men and women cheat on vacation. Yep don't trust your BF or GF who travels without you.
I mostly live in tourist destinations and meet lots of "I have a boyfriend" girls in clubs that are DTF but want you to absolve them from the guilt by gaming them anyway, making it "your fault", which is why they tell you their relationship status in the first place.
I posted about this years ago here but when I went to Germany for three weeks literally everybody cheated because their "SO's" were back in Mexico. I never trust girls who go on trips, especially if they do it very frequently. Especially if they don't even get enough income as to actually travel that much.
Read Rollo's second book. It will help you understand Tom's experience.
Girls get wanderlust too. They take a step outside their home city and its like they are hypnotized.
No wonder the wife isnt allowed to go anywhere far without her husband.
Friend goes on a large group trip overseas, watches as hardly any girl cheats on their boyfriend. If you saw this title, assuming story was true, would you even click it? Would you upvote? Would someone even post that kind of positive info?
So. Probably an unpopular message here, but isn't "Tom" part of the problem if he's hooking up with women that he knows are involved? Integrity is a binary thing. You either have it or you don't. I don't see being "the other man" as good. If you stretch it - it's less bad than being the one being cheated on. But that's less bad, not good.
Men cheat on women too. You nor your friend had an "Awakening" you just an pitiful and angry man who has a deep seeded hatred with women.
It sucks for those 9 boyfriends but it isn't statistically relevant for the rest of the world. It might be their demographics or a fluke. Ofcourse women WANT to fuck other men just like men want to fuck girls but that 9/10 act on their desires isn't proved yet. This is just anecdotal.
Why are all you guys cucks. If she leaves for vacation why don't you man up and slay some strange. Oh yeah because everyone on this Board is a 5 foot 6 muscle head who thinks he fucks but instead is so cynical no one can stand to be around him
What's the point of this article? ...hoes will be hoes?
This is something I became aware of early on in high school. And what about the boyfriends back home? If you don't think they're fucking and getting their dicks sucked you're probably wrong as hell.
Men cheat out of biological necessity. It's our role in nature to spread the seed and blah blah blah, you get my point so we in a way NEED to fuck.
Females mostly cheat for attention or some emotional bullshit that they try and justify but they don't NEED to bust a nut like men do. How many times have I bust a nut and been like "damn that was like 2 murders and an assault charge but now that I came I'm cool" lol.
What I'm saying is this is no "red pill awakening" calling it that sounds stupid. Your friend just has a broader perspective of how men and women can be. Shit isn't black and white and women should never surprise you if you're a grown man with half a functioning brain.