Women are devoid of Character. You giving a fuck what a Woman thinks of you is like a hedgefund manager worrying what a hobo thinks of his investment portfolio. Its fucking laughable.

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August 29, 2017

The more I learn about self development the more I'm inspired and passionate to go and fucking do it. The more I learn about women and game, the less I think of them. Now me thinking less of them doesnt mean I dont still want to fuck them, because of course I do, but each level I go up in understanding of game, I stop caring how girls react to me. How they judge me. Because I see how game is a fucking scam and I see how fucking stupid women are lol. Like here you and I can talk about our mission in life, and how we can fight to better ourselves every day and struggle so we can achieve that... WOMEN DONT HAVE A FUCKING MISSION, they have no reason to improve themselves, they're the gender of default success. So imagine you're 12 again but instead of hitting puberty and wanting to make something of yourself, you literally didn't. You didnt grow at all in terms of character from 12. You havent improved or grown stronger and in fact youve probably gotten more and more weak and stupid because you grew tits and then the world was instantly served to you on a silver platter.

Thats life as a woman. Thats what women are. I think sometimes we underestimate literally how underdeveloped they are compared to us. Like I know people say the modern man is a bitch compared to men 100 years ago and I get that and fully support you trying to improve yourself, but we are still literally light years ahead of women in terms of character development and strength. Like its not even close.

So heres my question to you: If you were to go up to that 12 year old thought experiment you and ask something from it and it denied you because it thought you were lame, why would you give a single fuck? Thats like a hobo making fun of a hedge fund managers investment portfolio. Women are completely ignorant of strength and character. All they can discern are its secondary effects. Its really like some sort of mystic magical force to them, they have no clue because it is absolutely absent from their lives. That's why feminists create male privilege to explain achievement gaps. No hunny, only privilege I have is that my whole life I wasnt given shit and I had to earn everything I got in this world. It made me incomparably stronger than you. This really cannot be overstated. We forget how unlike ourselves women are.

This should give you a free ticket to act however and do whatever you want around women because their approval and disdain are literally meaningless to your development as a man. And as we all know the less fucks you give the more they want it.

Self Development is where you should get your self esteem from but game is where you really fuck girls. They can work together but not always man. I know GOOD dudes who dont get laid and I know FUCKING LOSERS who slay it. As you grow in game you should be caring less and less what women think and honestly you should be thinking less and less of women in general. There is a reason why they should be submissive to us. They are like little children in terms of character.

NEVER forget your whole life you've been treated as a boy and her whole life shes been treated as a girl. Not to mention innate psychological and hormonal differences. Basically youre better than her. Know that and you'll fuck whoever you want.



Edit: Lol finally, the snowflakes have arrived! Dont get me wrong I mostly write to help RPers grow but triggering BPers adds that extra indefinable zest to posting. My question to the snowflakes though is this, if you know the truth hurts then why come here? Personally, I think its because you like the pain, you naughty little snowflake. You want to be punished by us big bad Red Pill men don't you? Cowering in fear as we drop truth bomb after truth bomb, but still wanting more. Yes, I think that's it...

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Title Women are devoid of Character. You giving a fuck what a Woman thinks of you is like a hedgefund manager worrying what a hobo thinks of his investment portfolio. Its fucking laughable.
Author ShitsWithTheDoorOpen
Upvotes 971
Comments 277
Date 29 August 2017 11:15 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/45658
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6wv3it/women_are_devoid_of_character_you_giving_a_fuck/
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[–]Modredpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (1 child) | Copy

[–]RPBulletDodger217 points218 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's why feminists create male privilege to explain achievement gaps. No hunny, only privilege I have is that my whole life I wasnt given shit and I had to earn everything I got in this world. It made me incomparably stronger than you.

My favorite part of the post.

The girls out there will never know the meritocracy like we do...especially post-wall. When they realize that something is wrong (but it is never anything about them).

I'll take my earning over their deserving every single time.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

A women post wall starts learning what it is like to be a man... they don't like it.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon304 points305 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP, you're a shitlord.


[–]TooHoly999331 points332 points  (66 children) | Copy

Most self-improvement literature targeted at males is read by 20-29 yr olds. The self-help literature targeted to women is read post-wall.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken162 points163 points  (11 children) | Copy

Because men continuously build value, and we've got to figure it out fairly quickly. We can't cash in on our cocks until we're 40 and then suddenly not know what to do. Hence why Congress is only about 20% female, every President has had a penis, and there are more Fortune 500 CEO's named John than there are women.

[–]zeeohsixer142 points143 points  (6 children) | Copy

Which explains another TRP wisdom- Never try to help a woman understand why it is that she's fucking up. Occasionally the logic driven part of my brain takes over and I'll explain to a plate how to unfuck her situation @work or fix something like I'm speaking with a client. Then I realize I might as well talk to the wall because they have zero interest in a solution, they would rather bitch and have me do it for them. Laziness.

[–]SasquatchMcKraken26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Precisely. Any man who's has sisters or has dated even one chick knows this. Hence yet another TRP truism: change her mood, not her mind. The fact that they're so emotionally-driven helps them in a lot of areas, but taking full responsibility (which is crucial for leadership positions) ain't one of them.

[–]joh214110 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah that just sums up about 90% of women and the other 10% who are interested in solutions and seemingly good in that sense are completely void of anything ELSE useful that you'd look for in a partner assuming you'd even want to get married.

[–]zeeohsixer15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

Very true, speaking of 90/10....

My father always told me as a young lad that "Women are 90% emotion and 10% common sense" My father and grandfather routinely dropped these RP one liners, but it wasn't until I found TRP that it all meshed up.

[–]Witch-Doctor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's great advice to have growing up!

[–]novalentineforyou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is true for most people in my experience.

[–]Troll_Name21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Q: what do you call a female junior executive?

A: golden parachutes for the senior executives.

[–]TheReformist941 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can cash out on your cock at 14. Alphas do. Cashing out at 37+ is BB/Exchange of RMV for SMV I.e prostitution

[–]Gallobrax46 points47 points  (12 children) | Copy

When I asked myself at the age of twenty what happens to to change us so substantially as we head into our thirties I didn't realize how much of a loaded question this really was. You've hit the nail right on the head though as there is no literature targeted to pre wall women. Further much of behavioral science as it concerns psychology is aimed at getting women to "let go" - there is really nothing which exists anymore to teach our women how to be better people in general terms and it's sad.

[–]HopeFarmer46 points47 points  (11 children) | Copy

I think there's a minority but significant exception to this literature rule for educated women who aren't attractive and have some strong male role models. Anecdotally, I have an ex with a "cute" but not really attractive face, and I hooked up a few times with another slightly below average classmate (both hb4). They were pretty smart and into math/engineering. I was interested in them at the time because they were oddly self-aware and receptive to logic. They'd get emotional for no reason, then later they'd acknowledge it and apologize. They would bring up some feminist bullshit they read online, then when confronted with contrary evidence, they'd actually think and change their opinions. They were also both really into reading about philosophy and self-help/career advice type things. Most of it seemed like it was directed at guys, but I think there's a growing body of modern literature aimed specifically at these kinds of girls.

I can think of a few other similar examples. I guess you could argue these girls are born post-wall, so they have to learn to help themselves earlier. There also might be some biological connection like having unusually high testosterone levels or something. In any case, women who are "alpha" in the sense that they seem to have some concept of actual work and dedication to a mission almost all seem fit into this category. I'm thinking of political figures like Merkel, Thatcher, pretty much all decent female scientists, any mildly competent female professors/teachers in serious fields of study. They tend to be unattractive with slightly masculine vibes.

[–]123InigoMontoya12376 points77 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you're a woman and you're born ugly... You're a man, essentially.

[–]redpillersinparis40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly, I think it's worse than being an average man.. you don't get female privileges (no one trying to do shit for you) and you don't get male privileges either (you're not taken seriously). Unattractive women are pretty much ignored in groups.

At least an ugly man can still achieve financial success and maybe marry some conservative woman. An ugly woman doesn't get any advantages.

[–]jurguenklomiken14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly. This sub focuses on sexual strategy and fucking cute girls. Therefore, most interactions presented on here are clearly biased towards cute women living life on easy mode. Lots of posters making huge generalizations based on their interactions with a relatively small percentage of women. RP tenants apply for all women, but the experience you get depending on how cute she is and her background is vastly underrated on here sometimes.

[–]lopsidedlucky4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think this quote was meant for you bro

Personally, I think its because you like the pain, you naughty little snowflake. You want to be punished by us big bad Red Pill men don't you?

Two major points for you.

1st, the women you're talking about that you believe are self aware, logical and into philosophy are conning you like any other women. They are low value and have to work harder. If you ask them truly critical question and dig you'll find they're parroting whatever shit they read. It's awalt, even an hb4 will work you how they can and feed you your version of a unicorn.

2nd, Listen, Merkel and Thatcher are disasters that ushered in the end of the fucking western world in Europe. Thatcher created a femininzed big brother police state that allowed for Englishmen to have their fucking heads cut off in the middle of London in broad daylight by muslims while no one was armed to stop it.

Now stop posting nonsense you don't understand, put down the mountain dew and get your ass to the gym, read the sidebar and go fuck some hb7's bro.

[–]HopeFarmer20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

This thing with the two girls was a while ago and pre trp for me. I am not claiming to have been alpha in that situation. Everything is in some sense manipulation. Of course I did "ask questions and dig" at the time but talk is cheap. I was mainly reflecting on their actions of pursuing useful knowledge and choosing to study real subjects. They were successful stem majors. Both of those women have been advancing through demanding tech jobs for big financial companies throughout their twenties. Their colleagues are successful alphas who would never consider settling for them and they know that. They do genuinely have some kind of drive to succeed. I have no delusions that they are good/faithful people or that awalt doesn't apply to them. I am only citing a minor exception to this idea about self improvement.

Obviously I'm not endorsing Thatcher or Merkel as people or any of their decisions, but it is ridiculous to pretend they weren't unusually successful in objective terms. They became the leaders of major countries.

[–]rahl_r10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

2nd, Listen, Merkel and Thatcher are disasters that ushered in the end of the fucking western world in Europe. Thatcher created a femininzed big brother police state that allowed for Englishmen to have their fucking heads cut off in the middle of London in broad daylight by muslims while no one was armed to stop it.

Glad someone set the record straight.

In her day, Thatcher put her own dictatorial spin on democracy. FYI, they had those "The bitch is dead" celebrations in England a while back.

As for Merkel... that's... grim. Betrayed her own country, her own people. Brought hordes of uncivilizable savages to the Fatherland. The aftermath of her actions won't be pretty. One thing's certain: It's coming, and there will be blood shed en masse (European pragmatist here, and stocking up on weapons - not because I want to, but because I have to).

[–]lopsidedlucky1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good to see someone here gets it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil122 points123 points  (19 children) | Copy

Women only understand that something is wrong once the Titanic is all ready sinking. Lectures on hull integrity and ice flows don't have enough feels for women to care. Only when the icy water is flooding in will they care.

[–]redleader9519 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy

doesnt matter to them anyhow. women and children get to the lifeboats first

[–]nestortheg8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Actually it was mainly businessmen, rich and high in status that were mainly on the rafts leaving the titanic.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

80% of women survived and 20% of men survived. Only 50% of children survived.

It is not Women AND Children first. It is WOMEN FIRST, LAST, ALWAYS. Children are just a foil that women use to bash men over the head. When the cold water is rushing in the women leave their children to drown and jump on the half empty lifeboat.

[–]1dongpal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

thats how life generally went. now every Idiot gets a boat... Degeneration

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Actually, it was the women who had preferences among the higher classes.

[–]nestortheg0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Everything I've read and studied from university has said otherwise

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You've read a bunch from uni about the Titanic on the women and children aspect???

A cursory inspection of Wikipedia indicates otherwise.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor30 points31 points  (8 children) | Copy

Well, at least one of the two (1400?) genders needs to focus on assigning the blame and fostering the shaming.

[–]Troll_Name8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's not women GLO, that's typical men.

Women don't care until they discover a way to cash in their victim chips.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen50 points51 points  (9 children) | Copy

And even then its just so they can play at self improvement. Same as women in the military, they want to dress up and play soldier. They will never know what its actually like. Just larping.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock44 points45 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women in any uniform of authority looks ridiculous. It's a fucking kid in a costume at halloween. No respect whatsoever.

[–]DemumA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't want your fragile ego bruised because how could a woman POSSIBLY have any position of authority?

[–]1Original_Dankster0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ridiculous, but kinda hot. There are a better proportion of army chicks and female cops who keep in shape compared to the general population. I'm mid 40s, and I've got a mid-30s female Lieutenant Colonel flirting with me. I'm an NCO (not in her chain of command, different unit). But I can say firsthand that she acts like a starstruck little girl when we meet.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They can be hot somewhere else.

[–]bountyhunterdjango-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

yea if I was in a hospital with a gunshot wound and some bitch doctor tried to help me, I'd honestly rather bleed out. Girls are dumb.

[–]pevans124 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't agree with that dude..... I had a tough as nails woman doctor spend hours and hours out of her life to pull every single piece of glass out of my head when I was in an automobile accident at age 16.

A few weeks later and a few plastic surgeries a male doctor shared with me how lucky I was that someone dedicated the time to systematically pull every single piece of glass out of my head. He was in shock how he couldn't find not one tiny small piece and went out of his way to compliment her and praise her. He said that she truly laid the ground work and put in the effort and made my head and trauma and deformity into a very minor item that I live with.

So watch the lanes bro.... just saying

[–]bountyhunterdjango0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yeah I was being completely sarcastic bro I'm with you

[–]TooHoly99913 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should be an EC at this point. Shortly after discovering TRP, we had a discussion. I can't remember the detail of the conversation, but you were very articulate and you changed my mind on the subject. I've read all your posts and comments here since.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was "meh" on the original post, but I think this is like some salt and pepper on a dish. Seasoning makes it pop. Men MUST find their mission when they are 20. Women fall back to find a mission when they blow past the wall.

[–]InstigatingDrunk5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Could you give examples of a "mission"?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

[–]lopsidedlucky1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice delivery. Take your upvote

[–]redpillersinparis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting point. Is that really true? How can we know for sure?

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've never realized this, until now. Mind blown.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Insightful post. Women only need self-help when help by proxy due to their inherent SMV is starting to decline.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker87 points88 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women have succeeded in reaching their peak as soon as they turn 14-18 and their hips are round and their tits are perky. They are already high value, higher than pretty much any non-celebrity guy, simply for being young and hot. Evolutionarily they are in their prime condition to fulfill everything they have been programmed to do.

Imagine if I gave you 10 million, a ferarri, and a muscled bod at 16 just for existing. Imagine how much you would know about anything. You'd know nothing. Literally, your head would become a flowerpot.

This is why you don't care about what women say. You watch what they do, but never give a shit about their opinions on anything, especially when it comes to subjects where they have a vested interest in not thinking logically. (AKA pretty much all subjects concerning sex and power).

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy

Preach, brother!

My take on this is "There are no young girls at Codependent Anonymous meetings, why? Because as long as they're young and able to find somebody to buy them another drink and try to fuck them, why bother?"

There are almost no young girls in churches, why? Because when you get old and there's nobody to buy your a drink or to fuck you, you start to feel that empty bottomless hole inside you more and more, then boom, you find Jesus. But not when you young and beautiful, because you rider cock carousel without any efforts by then.

Of course there are exceptions from this rule, those are women who do something so they can achieve the development level of, say, 16 or 18-year old. But that's who they are. Exceptions from this rule.

Bitches don't care about anything OP noted because they don't have to. And that's the way it is. So how you should treat them, what should be your frame? Exactly like OP's. Great post, brother.

[–]Gallobrax86 points87 points  (22 children) | Copy

Your thought processes are well articulated, you have a relative grasp of some of the core redpill concepts and you are focused on what matters most: power and self development. Very few of us realize that we are here for more then just "slaying" and as you have correctly stated the more you dive into the concept of game the better you are at achieving results in the SMP.

The reason any of this actually works is because it's very much akin to a science; where applied correctly there is a definable and measurable level of causation associated with the theory presented in the literature. If you do your homework you will succeed - it's a logic driven discipline. Why then do so many of us fall down? We aim to low.

Think of it this way, what's more predictable: a conversation with an HB6 or an HB9? Who's the safest one to approach? The HB9. Why? Because in the case of the HB9 you are dealing with elements that are static: they have developed safety nets, shit tests, and all manner of other devices to keep them where they are in the SMP. Conversely the HB6 is often insecure, has not developed these tools and will date entirely via emotion rather then the systematic implementation of hypergamy employed by the former.

Thus, the more predictable an encounter becomes the more power and leverage you have over it. You've done your reading you know the score; she does not, and while she might have impeccable good looks, and a natural social efficacy she does not know why it works. She simply rinses and repeats, sometimes multiple times a night. These are the women you aim for, because breaking down this foundation is easy once you've been taught. A woman without these talents however is a wild card and one who you will constantly second guess. There is no power to be found in this situation, and often few results. It's a waste of your time.

A most interesting conversation for discussion - one I will elaborate on at a later date as I think there's much to be said on this topic.

[–]boredepression23 points24 points  (8 children) | Copy

You just explained a new point to me I never thought of before but that makes perfect sense: 9's will present a more consistent encounter. So simple explained like that.

[–]electricspresident11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy

Yes this is why I've suprisingly 8s & 9s more receptive to me when I go to the pubs n clubs. What I also found out is the fake 8s and 9s the chicks who use a whole lot of make up end up having an inflated ego and get way too snappy and rude and this is how I come to know whether a girl is beautiful inside and out. Ofcourse even the true 8s n 9s still follow the nature but as far as 'I've seen it all before bitch, u ain't shitt' I think that's the way to behave always irrelevant of the HB rating

[–]Gallobrax22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy

The "I've seen it before..." is exactly the item you capitalize on. It's a perfect application piece for amazed mastery as you too have seen it all (and you find the behavior consistent). Thus, not only does this provide something you can measure (and act on) it presents a much more mailable individual once you've moved passed their defenses. Not only that but they are also better relationship material (if frame is held) as ironically enough they are less likely to succumb to further hypergamy as the approach has cemented your SMV. Comparatively speaking a HB7 will soon think she can do better because she will use you as a jumping off point if at all possible. Really, part of the puzzle is women want what they cannot have: a HB9 has been with chad, betas and men of all types. She knows the game and understands the problems with it. When you however present true alpha qualities alongside measurable intelligence you dominate in a comparative sense. She gets you are worthy. A lower tier woman will not, and if allowed will seek out what she has not attained before. This certainly gives women more credit then they are due but I view SMV in metrics beyond looks. Furthermore, this is the most logical assessment of the SMP I can think of as a lot of what is often confusing for men is why a woman acts in the way she does. It's due to the simple fact that they are ALWAYS looking for the better offer. However when one fishes at the top they remain at the top.

[–]Kellywasmyfirst5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck I've been lurking in this sub a reading every thread for almost a year now but I've never read something like this. Wow what a great perspective

[–]Gallobrax5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will hopefully be turning this thought into a post of its own in the next few days. I tend to think very logically and have absorbed much of what is here and in the literature over the span of three months. I'm what you'd call an active observer, and have spent a lot of my time people watching, reading the experiences of others and patiently expanding my social circle, business activities and getting back into martial arts.

We all have our reasons for being here, and if you are in a position to contribute one should always be mindful to do so. I'm happy you got something from the above.

[–]waking-life2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Goddamn I never thought about it like that. Well said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

huh.. who would've guessed that AWALT actually helps you score hotter women...

[–]Gallobrax0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

AWALT is a bit of a misnomer as all women are not explicitly the same. What they are however is similar and the closer you get to what is subjectively a HB10 (it doesn't exist) you will find expertise in areas such as hypergamy, shit testing ad etc. Conversely the lower you go the less developed these items are and in their place is often uncontrolled insecurity. We men are creatures of logic and reasoning: the higher up the food chain you go the more you can utilize this skill set. Conversely the lower you go you are likely dealing with base feminine emotions and psychology.

[–]p3n1x2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be pedantic, you defined AWALT on a post further up. Now you are waivering a bit. Hypergammy proves AWALT. If they all are looking for better, than AWALT. SMV will effect the varitions of behavior, but those variations do not negate AWALT as a static idea.

[–]lopsidedlucky5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You almost lost me there but you made a good point half way through. Many of them don't know why it works, just that it does.

You're also right on the hb 6 example. Many poor guys have aimed low to snag something easy and end up wasting their time because the hb 6 is a different kind of nuts and doesn't have the social graces to be gamed by the rules. You end up spending more time overcoming their wild shit tests from their insecurities versus a 9.

Good post.

[–]Self-honest9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

The logic is flawless. Great perspective. Thanks for the insight.

[–]kirbydirk2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Great analysis. It's the insecure ones who will eat your time, they want control but are usually confused and unstable. Much worse than the nothing.

[–]Gallobrax1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem isn't just time but sanity. Before I took the plunge that was my number one issue: the mental health of my significant other consuming my own frame. Of course all women by default are consumed by these emotions but one must be careful to not bite more then he can chew. A mans place is to provide certainty and security. With some people this is simply not possible and that's why I gravitate towards women who are physically better looking then myself. Your appearance is very indicative of how in control you really are and as I've already stated I'll take a relatively predictive situation over (which could be a flop) over settling any day of the week.

[–]nonthaki 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Your summation is the missing link to my working knowledge of TRP. Thanks and I am glad that I didn't miss this post (and thus you comment) because I visit TRP less nowadays cause its usually rinse and repeat . Please elaborate your points in a new post , so that we can gain from that knowledge and hopefully, your idea will be so practical and novel that it gets a place in the sidebar as your idea is something that lots of TRPers dont realize or they dont think too much about .

[–]Gallobrax2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll be sure to let you know when I make the submission. Generally speaking I do comment more then I contribute (directly) as I want to be sure I have something relevant to say before I decide to simply speak. I also want to make sure what I say is coherent.

What I do think I am going to build on is my original concept of there being a correlation between SMV and predictability. Perhaps I will go into greater depth as it concerns mental instability as you go down the scale. I also want to speak a bit more as to how even in the upper brackets this insanity may still exist yet there is an innate ability in the subject to power through it (as you cannot be overtly bipolar and have true SMV).

Really I am very discouraged at the state of this sub sometimes. I think this movement is beginning to lose its way as TRP grows in numbers. It's becoming pure pickup artistry for some and the bigger picture is missed. Maybe these people haven't truly experienced the depth of a woman. Maybe they aren't ready but I hope to bring a perspective of science and psychology to the table. I hope that with the wealth of knowledge I have accumulated to give something back. Maybe I'll even provide some personal background details about myself as to why I think I'm even in the position to put pen to paper. Finally I will attempt (as the thoughts are still murky on this one) to propose a new formal definition for sexual market value. I think that the one which exists is good but it leads to far to much confusion. This was prompted by another posters comment on subjectivism. I think it's a lot but I also think it can come together and fit like a puzzle.

TLDR: I think many people are misinformed as to TRP, and if we can bring a lens of psychology to the table and treat what we learn as a science rather then what it is slowly becoming maybe people will learn something.

[–]Fulp_Piction0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You haven't mentioned subjectivism.

My 9 and your 9 might be completely different to everybody else's 9, but your point still stands. So is it that the woman's experience or the man's expectation of how the scene will play out that determines the outcome more accurately?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

According to the evo-psych community, we are fairly consistent (+/- 1 point) on our assessments of attractiveness. See dr. doug lisle.

[–]Gallobrax1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

In terms of interpersonal dynamics there is no such thing as something which is completely predictable. Further, I think the entire SMV metric is more or less useless if and when it is used in absolute terms. Therefore, you are left with some indicators of predictability: looks, perceived experience, social flow etc. Additionally with the advent of the internet and Facebook it is easier then ever to gain additional information on a particular woman before you even meet her (if you have lead time). All of these together allow you to rank the prospective partner on your own subjective 1-10 ranking. My point is really the higher up you go the easier it is to predict while the lower you go this becomes more problematic. There's a reason I left this term out however: to many of us overthink the approach, and the way I have termed my posts gives a quick and dirty way to make an assessment. This is meant to be done on the fly and should be intuitive. Debating the various nuances of perspective vs experience leads to to many hard to answer questions especially when you are trying to deal with more then one person. It's still a numbers game but there are enough patterns of behavior in how high SMV women behave vs low SMV women to come to the conclusions I have. Again I do not like the SMV metric but it exists and women literally live it every single day whether it is through gossip or attention seeking behavior.

[–]fuckeduphomebody0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Great post.

However when you are starting to know the game, I think it may be better to game HB6. Why? Because there is a great chance that you fuck it up with a HB9 due to your lack of experience and due to the fact that you put her on a pedestal.

Even if you have a IDGAF mentality, it may be very likely that you would give a fuck at the beginning. So failling with a HB9 at the beginning maybe counterproductive because you will give a fuck.

On the contrary starting with HB6 will pave the way to build a IDGAF mentality precisely because you do not care very much about her as she is a HB6. So you will become stronger even if you fail because you just don't give a fuck.

What do you think about that ?

[–]Gallobrax1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think it's a waste of time.

It's better to start high and continue to aim high. If it isn't working it's you. Maybe there is a deficit that you need to correct. Most of the time this is due to an incorrect appreciation of theory and/or not applying it not looks. Looks do matter but the more and more I think about it what women find attractive is power. Look around you: there's not a single long term relationship which has existed due to looks alone. Man needs to do his reading then use what he has learnt. If you can do this, if you can truly understand the value of leverage and game then the rest follows.

But really this doesn't answer your question. Why shouldn't you start small and work your way up? Because that is not going to build frame. Want the hot blonde? Go for it. Want to bang the secretary why not? Why settle for the easy way to sex. Further, with the baggage that often comes with a lower tiered woman be sure to prepare yourself for a lesson one to many.

I will again make a complete submission outlining my thoughts on this subject again at a later date as there has been interest but suffice to say as it concerns self esteem and or confidence building (IDGAF) I think your post is putting the cart before the horse. This is done through abundance mentality not attitude alone. Finally, now that I've touched on the above concept how would anyone gain frame by plate spinning 6s? To me this would reaffirm that this is what one is worth.

TLDR: There is an opportunity cost in everything. My argument is that it is lower the higher up the SMP ladder you date. In this case it's your time, frame and possibly sanity.

[–]beginner_12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think sometimes we underestimate literally how underdeveloped they are compared to us.

In fact if you are somewhat intelligent it's hard to not see a huge gap towards almost everyone. But since the intelligence distribution is flatter for men (more dumb but also more highly intelligent men compared to women), you are much more likely to meet a man on your or a higher level and you will mostly associate with such men. This will give you the impression that all women are dumb/underdeveloped compared to all men and not just you.

The hedge funds manager wouldn't care what a taxi driver or construction worker had to say about his portfolio. Or the beta slob living in mommies basement or said otherwise 99% of the population.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's my world. I am the King of my world.

It's not a popular opinion in blooperville, but it's a great mindset to have. You and only you get to control all aspects of your life.

Nice post, awesome username.

[–]Novembercriminal116 points117 points  (16 children) | Copy

I mean.. many girls are like that. True. But some of them actually have dreams and work fucking hard to get them. It's a VERY narrow percentage but it exists and I've worked firsthand with brilliant women.

[–]beginner_159 points160 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let's be honest. The percentage of men actually having a mission and working towards it, is very narrow as well.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not all guns are loaded.

But you can bet your ass I treat them all like they are until I personally confirm the absence of the preconceived condition.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang86 points87 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP is not talking about those exceptional women of brilliance. Ironically, while they're good at demonstrating a woman can be just as capable as a man in job X, they're typically terrible at being feminine and being women. They might as well be men, you can treat girls like that as you would a man, and they function fine under real world pressure.

The only problem is that no one wants to protect, nurture, or fuck them, since they're basically men.

[–]lopsidedlucky26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

You've entirely nailed it. Not only that, those women are a mess sexually and entirely insane in relationships. They basically sacrifice themselves as women just to live as a man. When they hit the wall, jesus man they fucking hit harder than most and emotionally become dangerous.

[–]ShotgunTRP25 points26 points  (10 children) | Copy

Awalt, it's like driving a car. You look left/right even if it's your right of way. You assume all drivers are idiots because if you don't it can fuck your ass up.

It's an antidote to the "all women are special unicorns like your mother" which plenty of guys subscribe too.

Yeah sure not all women are like that, but assume they are until completely proven otherwise. Just like how hot women view most guys as chumps until proven otherwise.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

... like driving a car. You look left/right even if it's your right of way.

No, I look left/right because the other drivers might be women.

[–]Kellywasmyfirst-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Which is ironic since men cause majority of car crashes on average. But maybe women are overall worse drivers. I don't know since I don't own a car

edit: downvoted for posting facts? You can do better than that guys

[–]SovereignSoul764 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you for your ever-so-valuable insight and contribution...

[–]Kellywasmyfirst-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You managed to say even less

[–]yazen_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Caused by men who avoid women on the road. I almost got killed twice in bike, by careless women.

[–]Shukakun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's an antidote to the "all women are special unicorns like your mother" which plenty of guys subscribe too.

FTFY. More accurate description of that particular mindset. Men look for a bit of fun. Adult children look for a new mom.

[–]lopsidedlucky0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good analogy.

Need to correct you on this comment.

just like how hot women view most guys as chumps until proven otherwise

Not true, most hot women of higher value see guys as guys until they prove otherwise. If they see you as a chump you might still have work to do.

[–]ShotgunTRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Might? More like most definitely

[–]fromthecrypt820 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Almost jacked off to this. Upvoted

[–]Philletto9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

That's why feminists create male privilege to explain achievement gaps. No hunny, only privilege I have is that my whole life I wasnt given shit and I had to earn everything I got in this world.

There's no pay gap but there is an achievement and commitment gap. A woman is just not going to study as hard, work as hard and especially not without group approval.

[–]Willow-girl-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

Oh pish! In college, I was tutoring men in calculus.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

And here is a prime example of solipsism. You take your own personal experience and claim that it is the true universal experience.

What you need to understand is that in this forum, we look at the world around us and form conclusions. What you just did is look at yourself and form conclusions about the world.

[–]Philletto3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly! You weren't tutoring women because they didn't take a hard subject. amiright

[–]1OneRedSock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's not a single part of me that doubts you have helped some men in calculus. There are capable and incapable people in all walks of life, in regards to various skills. I previously dated a woman who now has a PhD in Neuroscience. I understand there are those women out there who -- instead of bitching about the gender distribution of STEM -- actually work their butts off to be the difference they wish to see in the world.

At the same time, there's also not a single part of me that believes this would ever, in a thousand years, happen to a man.

And there's the difference. But you guys can keep the assistance, because it certainly doesn't make one stronger to rely on the white knights and their savior complex.

[–]SovereignSoul762 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

...and yet never learned about logical fallacies. Fascinating....

[–]MEpicLevelCheater[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being able to count doesn't matter if you don't know how to read, bitch.

Start practicing by reading our rules. Banned.

[–]StinkyDogFarts 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

This sub is getting Really, REALLY salty as of late. You can improve Your life with out utter contempt for everyone around you, fyi.

[–]TooHoly99961 points62 points  (16 children) | Copy

Absolutely. I believe TRP uses radical language at times because nearly every user was fed up with being a Nice Guy (TM).

That being said, this is a useful frame of mind considering that:

1) It is fact based. The effects of testosterone has been researched extensively.

2) It helps the Nice Guy (TM) with pedestalizing.

When I'm rejected by a female, I'm not going to consciously think "all women are total pieces of shit" and revert to my anger phase. Extended exposure to this material will strengthen one's frame without him having to exhaust his mental energy. Our society has done the same thing through advertisements, ("if I don't use acne cream nobody's gonna fuck me") movies, (Disney, Kids shows where the nerd gets the girl) and politics (wage gap) for decades. The Red Pill is an antidote for the Blue. It is based in subconscious processing.

Obviously, that doesn't mean a man shouldn't research what he reads here. After it is researched, however, it's supposed to go to the back of your mind, where it can be utilized when it needs to be. I realized the other day I agree and amplify by habit. I make sexual jokes to women without thinking about whether I should.

I don't believe posts like this are intended to put a chip on your shoulder for the rest of your life. These are subtle messages to help the average guy stop worshipping women.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

Absolutely. I believe TRP uses radical language at times because nearly every user was fed up with being a Nice Guy (TM).

It actually has a functional purpose. I drives away those that put too much emotional context into words. These are not people we want contributing. The bloopers-at-heart can go hand job each other in their little subs while obsessing over us shitlords and our every utterance.

[–]dandons 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Radical anger, by definition, is putting too much emotional context into words though. You need to be coldly logical. Anger phase shows that you are still a weak man. Once you've reached true enlightenment you no longer have strong reactions to much of anything. You understand how things work, and have the intelligence to act and succeed on them.

[–]hahayeahthatscool-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's so easy to just say people that use vernacular and arguments I agree with are logical and cold and everything I don't like is emotionally fueled bitter and angry.

[–]TheIceReaver10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy

Good points, but imo it won't work like that. The us vs them tone of trp is ironically a aspect of exactly what we should be aware of questioning and releasing in our lives. If it’s the tone of the sub, most guys will never look past it to see how it subtly undermines them in their own lives. I think its just totally counterproductive and dangerous to encourage or perpetuate what is a childish mentality, whilst ridiculing childish mentalities in others. Right?

The only problem with this self blindness is that it's already present in most of us and its going to take a lot more than what Ive said to stop ourselves from passing the shit onto our own kids.

Yall downvote but it's true.

[–]cruzbmx0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I believe this would be a genuine concern anywhere but here. If somebody is here and doesn't know how to utilize the info they get (from posts that may be upvoted by the endorsed, RP in training, cuck, and or BP bitch) they should definitely be reading more sidebar.

I know that for me, at least, I've gotten better at interpreting RP posts the less BP I became. Take everything with a grain of salt, like this post tries to teach us. Above comments are good

[–]TheIceReaver1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah theres value in the material but not in they attitude bro

[–]DigitallyDisrupt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

value in the material but not in they attitude bro

That is an extremely female sentiment. Need a tampon?

I've gotten hella lot of valuable material shouted at me at the top of someone's lungs, followed by you knucklehead, dipshit, etc. And it did not diminish the value.

[–]TheIceReaver0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

No, I'm obviously not talking about a rough and tough attitude in my comment

[–]DigitallyDisrupt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Mmm, but I believe that's where the problem is. Too much "softness" going on. When an attitude can easily just be ignored, you see if there's useful information in the sentiment and move on.

Women are the one's that can't move on, even with useful info in a pile of shit, they focus on the shit.

[–]TheIceReaver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women are the one's that can't move on, even with useful info in a pile of shit, they focus on the shit.

But a lot of women don't do this and a lot of men do. You probably do still in some areas of your life or from time to time, as well as many endorsed contributors and myself, because we are only human... I know you want to believe you are some kind of ubermensch but until you actually are one, why be talking down on people for something they dont know any better about? It doesn't help them, it doesnt help you and it doesnt help people reading in... Thats what I say in response to you but I feel most importantly, we cant be assuming that its us vs them. Fake it till you make it is about getting over the inertia of inaction, not being a massive dickhead who can't understand some basic shit that Ive just spelled out right here

[–]Psychocist7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

These are subtle messages to help the average guy stop worshipping women.

This is the problem - they aren't. Maybe that is one of their unintended consequences, but too much of our own literature is infected by bitterness and has NO concern for other people, men or women.

It's sad because this is a potentially great place to enable positive, masculine, change, and it is being polluted and derailed by immature little boys who are spazzing out with pointless, angry outbursts every other day.

I'd like to say it will change, but it won't until mods start banning material that promotes these attitudes. Thankfully, it would seem (from votes and comments and some other posts) that there are still some mature folk around here. How long they stay is another question. I'm certainly done contributing to this shit-storm. I'll call people out on their BS but I'm fighting an uphill battle with that.

There is a disease running through this community that is spread through people who think they have unplugged, but haven't fully digested TRP.

[–]hahayeahthatscool2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just had to let you know you're pretty much dead wrong about all of your points and your argument is ironically very emotionally fueled.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen41 points42 points  (44 children) | Copy

What has happened to TRP, whats with this influx of gender equality faggot bullshit? We used to be bad guys man... now look at us. Down voting posts and comments that talk about innate inferiorities in women? psht... were past our prime man...

Look kiddo, no one is saying I have contempt for women, I love women, just like I'd love a cute little kid. But never would I EVER think that that little kid is the same as me, and never would I be fretting over how that little kid judged me as a man. He simply isn't in a position to judge me. Same as a woman. BP faggots think discussing women honestly comes from this blind seething rage usually from lack of sex. Matter of fact I've TOLD this to the girls I'm fucking and they get a kick out of it. This is a simple dispassionate conversation about the reality of differences between men and women. If you dont want to talk about that then you know where the door is cupcake. Welcome to TRP, shit aint changing

[–]RedPillHanSolo12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Purple pill faggots trying to shame left, right and center. Sad, really.

[–]theciscokidisfastest 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

lmao you're just oozing security and confidence Mr. Alpha Red Pill

[–]RedPillHanSolo14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

LMAO, HE'S INSECURE AND ALSO SEXIST!11 Fuck outta here, will ya?

[–]StinkyDogFarts8 points9 points  (34 children) | Copy

Kiddo... That's cute. Deliciously condescending. I would say everyone here is Questing for some kind of happiness and frankly there is some quality ethos as far getting your shit together and taking responsibility for your situation and proactively fixing it. That makes confidence, it makes you look like you have your shit together and that's what gets you laid. You will get laid because bimbos like being treated like contemptable children but if you ever wanted to explore a concrete connection with another person, this may not be the path. It's like keto... It works but it's not for everyone. Unicorns are out there and they will see right through your shit, they will see the insecure boy psyching himself up and and plugging bimbos with petulance.... Focus on that self improvement, find that center, that inner happiness. Be the best person you can be... If it's this, then so be it. Kiddo.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen35 points36 points  (33 children) | Copy

This is like McEnroe pointing out how Serena Williams would not have a shot against male pros, and that she'd rank somewhere in the middle male college athlete rankings. Its a cold hard fact and yet he has to give this loud prolonged apology for offending the snowflakes. Fuck that. This is not your hug box. This is where we honestly discuss differences in the sexes in case you didnt get the memo. Character doesnt apply to women. Women have charm. They (can) have purity. But character, grit, toughness? This is the domain of men.

[–]bountyhunterdjango7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy

yeah women have no grit, which is why the Kurdish women are fighting ISIS and getting shot, whilst you have sunk a huge amount of time into a subreddit, complaining about women.

The irony is that you're along the right lines! Men should work out, get tough, be masculine, and use that strength to fuck girls and dominate their careers. The belittling women bit is what pussies that are still bitter about girls for whatever reason still whine on about.

[–]hahayeahthatscool8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy

So just because a handful of Kurdish women are fighting for their existence women have a comparable amount of grit or participation level in warfare as men? How does a person reach this level of dumb?

I once knew a guy who was a really great stay at home dad. Does that mean men are just as good as women when it comes to caretaking and child rearing? Because of my one data point I can make such a claim? Get the fuck out of here with that shit, you moron, and try again.

[–]bountyhunterdjango4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

The argument wasn't whether women were better at fighting, I wasn't even arguing that they were equal in this regard. I was proving that women can have grit and toughness, and pointing out the irony in this generalisation considering they are tougher than him, you or I.

Women are better at raising children on the whole. Does that make it the 'domain of women' and mean 'being caring doesn't apply to men'? No of course it doesn't.

Just because the opposite sex are better on the whole at something, does not negate your capacity to be good at it. Maybe read what you respond to, it would make for a better argument than having to change mine to debate it. Fuck me you seem dense.

[–]hahayeahthatscool2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

You are completely ignoring OP's point. He is saying that in comparison to men, women have no grit or toughness. You call me dense yet here you are sitting there pointing out the exceptions as if they break the rule, like a true donkey. You have to address the rule, not the exception. Show me your argument that women have a comparable level of grit or toughness. You can't because history directly contradicts any argument you can make.

[–]bountyhunterdjango0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

"Character doesnt apply to women. Women have charm. They (can) have purity. But character, grit, toughness? This is the domain of men."

READ. Holy shit. Thats exactly what OP was saying.

Black guys have bigger dicks than white dudes statistically, does that make big dicks the domain of black guys?

[–]hahayeahthatscool1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

What does it mean to be the domain of? It means to dominate. If someone has a stastical advantage in the average in comparison to something else, then yes that would be more their domain than the others. And no he is still not saying that on an individual scale women have 0 grit whatsoever. I love that your default example is black dicks because that's probably all you think about, you fucking fag. And it would operate half decently as an analogy if there were only 2 races like there are genders. But using your fruity example anyway, what you're doing is rephrasing OPs argument to "since black guys may have larger dicks, white men have absolutely no penises" but that isn't what he's saying, that's just your own emotional attachment to what he's saying. I would suggest taking your own advice and actually reading the things you reply to.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

yeah women have no grit, which is why the Kurdish women are fighting ISIS and getting shot, whilst you have sunk a huge amount of time into a subreddit, complaining about women.

What about German women in WW2? Was it their lack of grit that kept them out of the war? How about Japanese women soldiers in same war? Italian women? Polish women? Your example opens more doors than it closes.

[–]bountyhunterdjango0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No it obviously wasn't, women couldn't join the army back then. When women are allowed to, for instance Kurdish forces, many prove to show a great deal of strength and grit. Just as women on the front lines fighting for the US army do.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Dude, you dutch ovened his hug box.


Character doesnt apply to women. Women have charm. They (can) have purity. But character, grit, toughness? This is the domain of men.

is gold.

[–]lopsidedlucky6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

dutch ovened hug box is gold bro lol!!!

[–]WolfofAnarchy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But it's false. I know more women with grit than men. Probably because I know many Russian women.

[–]Psychocist9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is where we honestly discuss differences in the sexes in case you didnt get the memo.

Making statements such as "women are devoid of character" is NOT a discussion. Your post is full of random assertions, just like almost every other post. Here's another: we're all trying to be Rollo, and we're all behaving like we've discovered enlightenment.

But character, grit, toughness? This is the domain of men.

Tell that to female soldiers fighting ISIS. You talk of honesty and yet you are completely biased and close-minded.

Character is BUILT. It can be built into anyone. Keep perpetuating your BS all the way down the drain. This community will never grow until crap like this is flushed down the toilet where it belongs.

[–]hahayeahthatscool4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

"hurr durr but look at this exception to the rule, doesn't that make the whole rule non-existent? fucking hurrrr"

Literally kill yourself, retard.

[–]Psychocist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Another classic argument! Man you are on a roll!

[–]hahayeahthatscool5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pointing out that you should address the rule and not the exception is a classic argument? I guess so...

[–]thismorphia 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Character doesnt apply to women. Women have charm. They (can) have purity. But character, grit, toughness? This is the domain of men.

What about the Russian women's battalion of death in ww1? Created by a peasant woman who fought and rose to the rank of officer? Created to inspire and shame the war weary men?

Called into action against the Germans during the Kerensky Offensive, they were assigned to the 525th Kiuruk-Darinski Regiment and occupied a trench near Smorgon. Ordered to go over the top, the soldiers of the war weary men's battalions hesitated. The women, however, decided to go with or without them. Eventually they pushed past three trenches into German territory, where soldiers discovered a stash of vodka, which the women tried to break before they could be drunk. In his report, the commander of the regiment praised the women's battalion's initiative and courage.[8] However, relief units never arrived and they were eventually forced to retreat, losing all the ground gained in the offensive.[9]

Women can have character and grit. Maybe the ones you meet don't, however you can't dismiss an entire gender. The Red Pill argues that women in general have been socialised to be shitty through being coddled, so statistically some women would have had lives in which they were not coddled. In which they found the drive to improve and succeed.

Female athletes can't hold a candle to males generally. However a female Olympic sprinter will wipe the floor with you in a race. Does she lack grit? Does she have no character?

Maybe you just meet and fuck trash women. Maybe that's why you think they all have no grit.

[–]hahayeahthatscool2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

"what about the exception to the rule. What about that bet u didn't think of that huh."

Are you guys seriously this fucking stupid? I mean comon dude this is like baby's first debate. You have to be a straight up mongoloid to think pointing out exceptions some how breaks the rule.

"This Nazi was a good guy, therefore fascism and national socialism are good things"

"This bear didn't eat me alive, therefore bears are not 600 lbs killing machines"

"This fish didn't die from pollution, therefore pollution isn't killing marine life"

"My friend makes good money without a highschool diploma, therefore education is useless"

[–]thismorphia 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

"exceptions to a rule don't break a rule"

Fucking what? His assertion is that women lack grit. I give historical evidence of a battalions worth of women with grit and you say that's not relevant?

"This Nazi tried to kill Hitler, therefore not all members of the nazi party supported Hitler"

"This bear didn't eat me alive, therefore bears will not try to kill you all the time."

"This fish didn't die from pollution, therefore pollution isn't killing 100 percent of marine life"

"My friend makes good money without a highschool diploma, therefore education isn't a prerequisite for fiscal success"

Many women in history have demonstrated admirable levels of grit and character, therefore some women have grit and character.

You dig it? If that sounds painfully obvious, it's just because I lack faith in your intelligence.

[–]hahayeahthatscool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're a dumb ass. Not anywhere did OP state that every single woman you meet, on an individual scale, has 0 grit whatsoever. He made the claim that as a general rule of thumb, compared to the average man, the average woman lacks in grit which is simply an observable fact. Of course there are exceptions, can you name me a single rule where there are NO exceptions? Protip, you can't. You couldn't even do that with the laws of physics. What you are doing is the most common and easily done fallacies which is addressing the exceptions to the rule instead of the rule itself. Sure there are examples of women being brave and sacrificing their lives in the name of duty, but what OP is simply telling you is this: there are at least 10000x more examples of women being complete cowards and sending their men to die instead of themselves. Which is the point of the thread and 100% true.

[–]juliusstreicher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What about the Russian women's battalion of death in ww1? Created by a peasant woman who fought and rose to the rank of officer? Created to inspire and shame the war weary men?

IIRC, the Batallion of Death was for a short term, and wasn't a resounding success.

Basic insurmountable biological differences.

That's what being discussed.

[–]bountyhunterdjango6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Spoiler: he won't reply to you, too many facts and not enough angry feelings

[–]StinkyDogFarts3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

That was a fact. Some dude ranked like 140 came off the golf course with beer buzz and smoked the both of them. Women can't deal with the speed and the spin.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

So then by agreeing with me on that do you have contempt for Serena, or better yet all women because they can never match us in these things? No of course you don't, same as me.

[–]yes_we_can_t0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

She can't beat the very best of the men, but she sure as hell can beat almost every man in the world.

[–]juliusstreicher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

But, that's by training, not because it's innate.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

she sure as hell can beat almost every man in the world.

Lol, I haven't picked up a racket in a decade and I'd destroy her.

[–]yes_we_can_t0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm sure you would, considering the impressive flexibility and strength you must have for patting yourself on the back so intensely.

[–]DigitallyDisrupt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, did you reply just to see your thoughts in text?

[–]TheIceReaver4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even worse than the 'faggot bullshit' are spastics thinking too highly of their own opinions man

[–]1Sergnb-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, just because someone points that out your spaztic showcase of "confidence" and edgy misanthropic disdain for everyone seems forced, bitter and childish, doesn't mean he's a "gender equality faggot". Not everyone that disagrees with you is a blue pilled insecure little sissy boy that still worships women. Review your own writting, you read like a high school shooter.

You want to be punished by us big bad Red Pill men don't you? Cowering in fear as we drop truth bomb after truth bomb, but still wanting more.

nigga that's the kind of shit the nerdy silent angry kid in my high school class would write in his notebook after people picked on him lmfao. Get out of the narcissistic self agrandizing hole you've dug yourself into, it's not healthy for you. And for the love of god, stop doing that "look kiddo" nonsense, you aren't fooling anyone.

[–]Shukakun-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

On the surface level you're absolutely right, caring what women think about you, being agreeable and supplicating is a terrible idea. We all know that, most of us from experience.

However, from a biological, subconscious point of view, the opinions of women do matter. They have the more scarce reproduction, putting them in the position of selector. I'm not saying you should listen to her problems and pretend to like Pretty Woman, but being someone that appeals to women is literally how you pass your genes on (and obviously, get laid). And to clarify, when I say her opinions matter, I'm talking about her subconscious ones. Consciously, most women don't have a fucking clue what they want or what they like.

Luckily, appealing to women is mostly a matter of taking care of your body, being sure of yourself, having goals in life and not apologizing for being you. The world at large seems to have missed that memo, though.

[–]lopsidedlucky2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women are not really the selector though. Men are. Women don't just want any seed, they want the genetic ooze of an alpha. They'll be selective by ignoring the bottom 80% of men most of the time.

Beyond that they are not selectors of the top 20% of men, at that level the men are the selectors. You're still right to want to be in the 20%

[–]Shukakun0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If 80% of men are at the mercy of their selection then they are by definition the selector. And if two high value men want the same woman, it's probably up to her which one she'll end up with. Even if you're Brad Pitt, walking up to a woman and saying "Let's have sex" can result in you ending up in jail, when a woman doing the same thing to a man probably results in sex. So on a societal level, women are definitely the selectors.

But yeah, if you're in the top 20%, those are pretty much just semantics. You can't just go up to any woman and say "Hey, I choose you, get on my dick" and have it work consistently, but you're desired enough for that to not matter. You don't need every woman to want you. Hell, having more than two or three that you meet regularly is probably not even worth it, gotta have time for your own life too.

[–]novalentineforyou1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm pretty sure that beliefs perceived as mysogynistic do not significantly harm one's success with women if you have the classical traits of a high value man. Of course you should make sure not to let your beliefs make you angry at women.

[–]StinkyDogFarts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A) they dont. B) wasn't what I was getting at. Notches on the bed post are great, go for it! I'm jealous of you young whipper snapper, pussy is a fuck ton easier to get then it was 20 years ago. Listen to Weezers "tired of sex", that's merely the thing I'm throwing out there... Momentary happiness vs long term emptiness.

[–]p3n1x0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Recognizing people are NOT equals does not equte to contempt.

[–]StinkyDogFarts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correct. Serena Williams is richer and more successful than anyone here.

[–]Mr-Ed2095 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im realising this more and more. Like, even the guys who did badly in high school still go out into the world and carve up their piece of it. They do what has to be done, wether thats risking their life/limbs on an oil rig, mine site or other equally shitty places just to make decent bank.

There are a few women who work hard but as we can assume, they're greatly in the minority. It's really starting to piss me off reading articles of income disparity from leftist news sources. Until women are sacrificing their livelihoods in equal manner then they will never compete with men financially. Rightly so if they are to birth children and all that carry on.

Of course feminism only ever focuses on flashy jobs. CEO's and hedgefund workers. Those men are freaks of nature or born onto a path of wealth through nepotism. There really should be some sort of revolt regarding the gender income debate - men's and families livelihoods are dependent on it to an extremely large degree.

[–]fuckeduphomebody5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

NEVER forget your whole life you've been treated as a boy and her whole life shes been treated as a girl.

So fucking true. Easy to keep in mind.


[–]Willow-girl-5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy

"Being treated like a girl" mostly means that starting around puberty, strangers start trying to hit on you, and sometimes expose themselves to you. It's weird and scary. Oh yeah, some older gentleman may occasionally hold a door open for you. BFD.

[–]PM_Your_8008s2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The amount of ignorance here is hilarious. Want an example? Check the post about a female surgeon not getting jail time over stabbing her boyfriend to death, just cause she's "talented"

Fuck out of here with that shit

[–]fuckeduphomebody1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

No it does not. It means that starting aroud puberty, girls are protected in every ways by laws, culture, and customs.

They get compliments about how lovely they are, how nice they look. They get easier tasks to do. Teacher would be kind with them, even if they are chatty.

On the other side, boys are bullied in school. They get hard tasks to do. And teachers are hard with them.

Later, guys would have to do harder tasks than women in their jobs. For instance, in a factory boys have to do the physical tasks while girls will not ever have those tasks to perform. Yet, women are paid THE SAME.

In more intellectual jobs, this is the same. Women will get easier tasks to do.

I'm not complaining. On the contrary. It gives us a fucking power.

This is a big fucking deal my dear.

[–]Willow-girl 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You aren't a woman, are you? lol

School is largely what you make of it. Some people work hard; others skate by.

Work? I work on a dairy farm. I haven't noticed the cows shitting on me any less than do on my boss. Maybe I need to have talk with those girls?

[–]fuckeduphomebody2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Blablabla. I work 2 months per year in a similar field. I know how it works for women there.

I think you just didn't notice it.

[–]Willow-girl 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Well those ladies must know something I don't, because I haven't found being female to be an advantage at all! In fact, a little more upper-body strength would probably come in handy when it's time to shove a 1,000-lb. heifer into the milking parlor for the first time. And my boss's wife, who is even shorter than I am and has to stand on a crate to swing the pipeline, etc., always jokes that in her next life, she's gonna be 6 feet tall!

But we manage. :-)

[–]shnomoe16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

What are you trying to attain? What defines success or achievement to you? What constitutes character and what is the opposite of it? I am just curious what your mission is.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy

Character is virtue. Its using your will to create something of yourself. Its bringing an ideal world into existence through your actions. How we look at society and deep down we know it doesnt have to be this shitty, look at yourself in that same way. Its not having any excuses, its being exceptionally hard on yourself because you can take it. Doing it the right way no matter what happens in the material world to hurt or help you. Its living on another plane of existence. Its being a dreamer and then bringing that dream to reality. That is character to me. And achieving that dream for yourself is success.

[–]1scissor_me_timbers004 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Something also interesting is that the ancient concept of virtue was literally a male only thing. Prefix vir- same as in virility means "man". Virtues were things men strived after, not women. I'd recommend a google search on this. Later the term evolved and there became a female notion of virtue, but even still, this only referred to her chastity.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

look at my submitted content. Two posts ago I did a whole article on that. "If youre struggling with women..."

[–]shnomoe8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for answering! I only ask because they are terms that are difficult to define sometimes, cause they mean so many different things to different people. So I appreciate you taking the time to let me know what they mean to you.

[–]imn0tg00d3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

When I first read the title I said to myself "here comes another shit post from someone in the anger phase" but then I read it and was pleasantly surprised. Quality post, sir.

[–]jonpe87[🍰] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

On point. Care about a woman opnion about you or your life is like let a 10 yo kid tell you what to do.

[–]leviathan512 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is a little bit over the top.

I like it.

[–]pmmedenver2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.

Women absolutely do have a mission. Their mission is to get pregnant to the highest SMV man they can attract and raise beautiful healthy children while helping people around them and spreading joy and happiness. Attracting an alpha and convincing him to mate is more challenging in a natural environment then it is in one with birth control. Would you really be fucking that 5 if you knew a baby would pop out of her? And if you weren't fucking her, she would actually have to fuck someone on her level. Women's SMV is artificially inflated due to the pill and its the reason everyone here is mad and focused on self improvement.

When you talk about the hotties running around in their 20's riding the CC you forget that the same exact thing exists for men: we call them Chads. Chads are just as stupid and underdeveloped as the women you are mocking. Some people are just born/raised with high SMV, get used to it.

And yes, women can also develop later in life just like men can (Although I agree that men have more potential and a higher ceiling). Beauty can be a skill in its own right: healthy eating, frequent lotion applying, makeup, fitness. Women also have character traits which, when developed, raise SMV: kindness, generosity, acceptance, humility, empathy, etc. Most men around here just don't know they exist because they're too busy faking bravado and forgetting that these traits are valuable to men as well.

There is a motif in TRP to shit on women for not having masculine traits, and then in the very next post complain about how women are too masculine these days (I wonder why). Feminine traits are not as financially valuable as masculine traits so we can't hold their lack of financial success against them as some sort of failure. End the gender war. Stop fucking below your means. Encourage feminine women.

[–]DemumA2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're an actual idiot. There are women with far better attitudes and goals towards life than some men. You sound like an 8th grade boy who got mad bc a girl rejected him.

[–]Maelshevek2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is also contributed to by men who will take any woman to bed or marriage, despite her character. We put up with or try to overcome their shit just long enough to get what we want. It's a decision that may work in the short term, but has terrible long term consequences.

My belief is that we get back from others the kind of character we expect. We don't tolerate bad behavior. If they don't like it--man or woman--too bad.

Our standards can build a better world, but only if we hold the line and don't cave when we're lonely or even when we want sex. Yep, really.

Real character is being willing to sacrifice what we want to make the world a better place.

Women basically have a free pass thanks to hypergamy, dudes with no standards, telling every girl she's a princess, telling every man he's a perv or a pig, expecting men to work, while not expecting women to do the same--the messages that go out there paint every woman as good and every man as bad. And this serves as a justification for women to always view themselves in the right, despite behaving in ways that they don't tolerate from men!

They get what they want, without work, we pursue and reward them and then wonder why they act like kids. It's crazy. This is why I'm pro personal development and staying single.

Be the Ivory Tower, do good, live good, and show others what that looks like. Make them jealous by being what they aren't. If they can't cheat their way into a better life, they will have to learn character.

[–]TheIceReaver7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

We give a fuck if we ourselves have the mentality of a 12 year old. I feel your passion in your writing but all I can think about is how most most men and indeed people have ridiculously underdeveloped and delusional mentalities. I don't know why you feel the need to talk down on people. There's a lot of work to be done and the people you are seething on are honestly not deserving of it. They are leafs being blown about in the damn wind, feel sorry for them if anything. Why make it us vs them? That's so counter productive

[–]lopsidedlucky-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You're to feminine. Read the sidebar and hit the gym. You have no idea how much beta you're jizzing out here. Let me guess, single mother or beta father. I won't even get into your predictable politics man.

OP is only talking down to the people that we need to purge from this sub.

[–]bountyhunterdjango4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guy is out of the anger phase, I'd try to be more like him rather than making baseless assumptions bud.

[–]Rosenmyah16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy

Isn't this a bit extreme? Don't any of you in this sub have strong, respectable, loving mothers? Aunts? Grandmothers? Neighbors? I have women in my family and have worked with many women who are pleasant to be around, hardworking, and have great personalities. You don't have to go your whole life hating women and thinking they're horrible people.

[–]JeffreyDoe 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

who says anything about hate?

Do you hate a lion? No, but you recognize his abilities and play according to such. Same concept going on here.

[–]TheIceReaver7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sure. So whats the point then of hooting around and ridiculing the lion and swearing black and blue how dumb the lion is because he lets birds perch on him? Whats that concept about man? Like, that shit doesn't make you 'alpha' and the only laughs and love you get from it are from other 'bigalphamanoverhere' fellows. I guess it's kinda funny but not if it's carried on and on and on about like it is here. Its ultimately just another echo chamber of mental masturbation that will hold you back from the real work at hand. You see that?

Understand the lion so you can work around the lion, keep your chat sharp (not a broken record trying to copy better records from before you), focus your energy on your task, get the results

@ u/shitswiththedooropen yeah, this is for you

[–]JeffreyDoe 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The point is, because most men here have NO fucking CLUE how "lions" operate and how volatile they can actually be. Its not a question of IF but WHEN AWALT will kick in.

While there are extremes in any instance, the premise is still solid.

Your analogy is flawed. This isnt talking about what the "lion" does or what it allows. This is talking about how lions THINK and ACT given multiple scenarios. And how YOU should act toward that "lion" depending on what they are doing.

totally different than what you are even trying to suggest, and doing a poor job at.

[–]TheIceReaver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The focus of my analogy is the loud yammering, not the lion or what the lion is doing. You bring up a good point - it's important to have discussion, but my point is obviously about how the "discussion" is carried out...

[–]NibblyPig4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

All my aunts grandmothers parents are post-wall. You don't get to do nothing for your whole life then become a parent and somehow become a respectable person. If I am a shit person for 25 years then suddenly learn accountability because my free ride ends I don't suddenly deserve respect.

I do look back at a father who worked every single week on 8-12 hr shifts at random times of day for my entire life in a job he wasn't mad keen on to provide for his family though and the depths of respect I have for that are bottomless. I don't think he got the life he deserved for it, and I think that's a sentiment to apply across the board.

[–]Rosenmyah3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

What about a woman who worked 8-12 hour shifts to support her family because some guy knocked her up and ditched town? Ya there is a lot of truth to things that are said about women on this sub but guys are just as capable of being reprehensible pieces of shit. Generalizations are great because they're useful in psychology/sociology but you have to treat people on an individual basis, even though trends HAVE been identified.

[–]NibblyPig9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sure, in that case yes. Also if your parents are unicorns and you were conceived magically I would agree. But at least look at the numbers. Would you stick your hand in a box of snakes because you once met a snake that didn't bite anyone?

[–]cruzbmx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

god, I couldn't upvote this enough

[–]Hiimusog9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

He is just still completely in the anger phase, which makes me ponder why he thinks he is suited to teach anyone else anything..

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. As soon as she knows you care what she thinks per se, she doesn't respect you as a leader and sperm donor. The key is to honestly respect the few good ideas she does occasionally have, because she is your copilot, be indifferent otherwise, and lead by example without openly criticizing her or arguing. This works because deep down, they don't care what you think either lol. Only the most damaged insecure women give two shits what a man thinks, and because of projection they figure other people are the same. They only care how you navigate life and handle shit. Not giving a fuck without being a dick about it gets a wider range of pussy.

[–]Millhousegoku7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

700th upvote & my first comment ever! Been reading for 1.5 years silently. Thanks to TRP for everything I have learned.

[–]tolerantman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women are 'tough' as long as they have groups of men to defend them.

We can make them cry by saying mean things about them.

[–]001000010011111112 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

You don't need to put women down to pull yourself or other men up. There are valuable women in the world, my friend. You're overgeneralizing quite a bit here. This isn't a place to bash women or put them down - but, rather to share experiences on how to be more successful in life in general. Self-development and becoming a better version of yourself will facilitate attracting good women (and bad women) into your life.

Surely, if you want, you can simply "slay" as many women as you want - that's your prerogative. I will concede to the fact that some women are only worthy of having sex with as they would add no value to your life otherwise due to poor character.

[–]Shukakun13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Generalizing is how we've survived for thousands of years as a species. If I see a panther, I'm going to assume it wants to kill me and act accordingly. If, after some time, it turns out that the panther isn't killing me, I might change my opinion of this particular panther, but not panthers in general.

Thinking "Women in general aren't as philosophically developed as me, and this one probably isn't either, but if she proves me wrong, I'll change my opinion of her" isn't evil, just realistic. Sure, it sucks for her to have to prove herself, but as you know, we men have to do a lot of that too. And sure, you can meet new people with an open mind, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing, no need to be negative and hostile in everyday life.

[–]00100001001111111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Being cautious shouldn't be exclusive to just women, but also to men. Although, I will agree that are differences in approach to having relationships with men and women (romantic & platonic).

I will agree that judging has helped humans survive for thousands of years, but I think generalizing is a bad form of judging because it frames whatever you're placing judgement on in a negative light (the opposite of what is required to have an open mind...).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Posts like this are asinine. Anybody who is actually redpill knows that women have inherent value due to them being the "selectors". Men are the "selected". This is our nature. The biggest reason men strive to better themselves is to make themselves more appealing to the opposite sex.

Why the fuck do you think you came to TRP in the first place- a sub that is based on MALE SEXUAL STRATEGY and the best advice to do so is to better yourself. Lifting, being more social, earning more money.... all sexual strategy.

You're not on a subreddit for building virtue to be free of attachment. You'd think more people would realize women's value is in their looks and fertility.

And let's face it. Most guys are fucking losers! Look around at all the average shmucks. Sitting around smoking weed, playing video games, not doing shit with their lives.

A FEW MEN actually make something of themselves. To act like men as a whole are somehow better than women is the dumbest shit I've heard in my life.

Look at a bell curve, men and women mostly fall in the same middle. The only difference is there are MORE men at the low end, and MORE men at the high end.

Where does that leave 80% of people? Average. Most people are lazy, dumb, mouth breathers. To get a boner because you're a man is absurd. There are plenty of women who try and better themselves.

Why do you think women love fashion and makeup? THEIR VALUE IS IN THEIR LOOKS. They do "self-improvement" but they're DIFFERENT than we are. FFS, go jerk off to how awesome men are.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy

OP, nothing you said here isnt true and I look forward to your essays but I can't help noticing you seem a bit angrier at women today than your usual reflective self.

Nothing wrong with being angry, just curious what motivates you to write this one.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Honestly no one is going to believe this but I wrote this with 0 anger towards women or anything. My "misogyny" is a dispassionate view of how women are. Now... I had some fun triggering BPers after they lost their shit over the title but I mean cmon, who wouldn't :D.

The older I get the more I develop myself and it becomes even more glaringly obvious how women don't because they don't have to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ok agreed

They are born with their value. Men need to create it. Eggs are dear, sperm are cheap.

Women always will be special as long as we reproduce sexually

Crying about it is silly

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, point of the post is I ALSO see a lot of dudes who just give way to much of a fuck what women think of them. Give a fuck about rejections, little snarky remarks, etc. And to me its like being stuck as a boy seeking approval and validation from your mommy. Its fucking gross. They are women, stop seeking their approval it is meaningless. They have 0 authority over manhood and your character.

[–]epsgezero-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

My "misogyny" is a dispassionate view of how women are.

Oh come on dude, why the scare quotes? You know what you are as well as I do. Why don't you just start to own it? You scared?

[–]Willow-girl 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Probably got rejected. Again!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

So what if he did? Happens to me all the time and I'm still swimming in P

[–]Willow-girl-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Evidently some men are better at shrugging it off than others.

[–]fuckeduphomebody4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Willow girl : stop being an ass. Stay on your blue pill sub.

Rejection or "no" is normal for a man. This is not a big fucking deal. We learnt it the hard way when we were kids (I'm not talking about relationships or women here but other stuff). This is part of our life really.

Regarding women, a "no" is normal for a man. Not a BFD. Plenty of girls outside.

When was the last time you got a "No" ? I beg it was from your father. BFD.

[–]Willow-girl-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

Ahh, and over at The Blue Pill, they tell me to go back to the Red Pill! lol

Believe it or not, there are some relationships in which the woman's libido is higher than the man's. I think this may be even harder for women to deal with, because 1) we're raised to believe that men will find us desirable and pursue us, so it's weird when they don't; and 2) no one sympathizes with us. A woman who complains to her friends that she's not getting enough sex is likely to be told "You're lucky; want to trade husbands?" Umm, that's not really helpful.

[–]Phaeer 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

If you have a relationship where your man doesn't want to have sex with you, you are doing something wrong or he is done with the relationship and haven't told you.

If your idea about sex is 20 minutes foreplay where he does most of the work, I can understand why he doesn't want sex. Put on sexy lingerie and take his cock in your mouth with no more than 2 minutes foreplay. See how that works and then get back to me.

[–]Willow-girl-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Low "T" is a thing, you know. My mistake was marrying a man much older than me without considering the eventual repercussions. My bad.

[–]Phaeer 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Your bad, that is exactly right. Have you suggested TRT? Let me guess, you married an older guy because he was more mature than men your age? I'm thinking he had pretty sweet amount on his bank account as well.

[–]Willow-girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well I was in my 40s when were got together so there wasn't exactly a shortage of mature men my age, lol. He did not want to go the testosterone replacement route for his own reasons which I won't go into out of respect for his privacy. We're divorced now so it's no longer an issue.

[–]fuckeduphomebody1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL okay.

You could still get every boys you want.

Sometimes women's libido may be higher yes. Men are often exhausted by their work, and have the duty to take care of their women. I mean in a performance way. If they do not, they complain.

This is not a problem for us. Because we don't give a shit. If a women is not happy, she can take the door. Plenty of women outside.

Problem solved.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Homeless men probably have more character than the average woman

[–]JarJar-PhantomMenace2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Op do you not have any female relatives or something? Did you come out of your dads ass or something? Little too far. So many generalizations here it's ridiculous. Have some respect.

[–]sunae712 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

You sound so ignorant I feel bad for you

[–]hahayeahthatscool3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

How about you actually point out what part of what he said was wrong so we can all laugh at you?

[–]KingCanadian1 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I agree with you. This is horrible. This boy (not man) would NEVER say such a thing publicly. He's an idiot and a coward.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy


[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

And so they downvoted you.... heh. Need to work on strategic thought, gov.

[–]victordmor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent. Outstanding post. Thank you, brother.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Brilliant post. BP transitioning to RP here. I think the main reason I have thought so highly of women is threefold: movie fiction (e.g. Disney), a brutally manipulative mother who forced me to literally treat her as God, and I just don't know other women well enough to say, "you're fucking stupid and shallow, and the only thing going for you is you're hot".

I know my mother well enough though

[–]huge_gap2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Generally I agree but I see and know hardworking women that navigate difficult and stressful situations in their professional/business lives that aren't entitled children but act more like men. In fact I've seen them succeed and perform better than some lazy pussy-ass cucks.

Good post but generalizing too much. Most women are like this but not all. Not saying they're unicorns and to wife them or anything but there are women that succeed and work harder than some men.

[–]Mattcwu 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

That's beautiful women, sure. But, do you also think ugly women have the world handed to them on a silver platter? I do not.

[–]Willow-girl1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nor do average-looking women.


[–]hahayeahthatscool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah u idiot, the whole point is average looking girls will always get preferential treatment in comparison to an average looking guy. Just because u have a hole between your legs.

[–]hahayeahthatscool0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

following that logic ugly guys have it even worse than ugly girls and look at that you just affirmed OP's entire argument. Congratulations, you're a dumb ass.

[–]Mattcwu-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

following that logic

Ok, let's do that. I said I do not think ugly women have the world handed to them on a silver platter. Following that logic, that says nothing about men. Your name-calling is indicative of your ability to reason logically.

[–]hahayeahthatscool0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ugly women get nothing handed to them in relation to what? What are you comparing the amount of things ugly women get to? Because of course they get somethings handed to them, the government supports you despite your physical appearance. Your parents still give you free shit because they love you. Obviously you get less free shit than pretty girls, but you still get free shit. And you get more free shit than ugly guys, which is the point of the OP.

[–]Mattcwu0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What are you comparing the amount of things ugly women get to?

For example, trust fund men. Of course trust fund men get more handed to them than women. Their parents support trust-funders because they love them. They get more free shit than ugly girls.

[–]hahayeahthatscool1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

But what about trust fund girls? They still get more than trust fund boys... and to think, it's all just a difference in amount of holes.

[–]rolledrick 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Call me Blue Pill all you like; I know women with drive to achieve and strength of character. In most cases of AWALT on this sub I will agree, in the case of "women don't have goals and commitment to achieving those goals" I will have to disagree. Some women are brutally single minded and ruthless in getting what they want.

[–]shnomoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If "women are the gender of default success" it is only because men bestow that success onto them. Who is then in the true role of power? The men who try desperately to get laid and define themselves by their history with women? Or the women who watch as the men flock to approach them at bars? Men who feel they have to prove their worth by sleeping with beautiful women are hopeless slaves to societal pressures. How sad of an existence that must be, to define yourself by such arbitrary definitions of success. True power is knowing that feeling the need to display "dominance" is the true sign of weakness, because when you are truly powerful nothing has an effect on you and you need not prove anything to anyone because all you need is yourself. You rely on no other being.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro, realize that every negative way you look down on women is ultimately a deficiency you see in yourself.

Women are born with inherent value and are merely reflections of the society and culture created by men. Of course we all work together, but it is no secret that(nearly) every great innovation or artistic feat was done by a man.

My point is, your hate towards them is only there to allow you to cope with not being a man which they value. "It is never her fault." we've heard this before and usually get pissed because a woman is dodging responsibility, but realize that not much is the fault of a woman because women have no real responsibility beyond child rearing and instilling values such as compassion and empathy into her children. Which, btw is an absofuckinglutely critical role which only women can provide; it should be cherished and protected.

Anger will flow as long as you allow it. Sooner or later you must see it the way I described above or you'll remain bitter and closed off. I know because I spent several years there.

[–]EPArt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's at times like this where if I ever happen to have a daughter I might steer her to be a lesbian or who knows lets go crazy and she get's a sex change.

[–]Shakydrummer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude honestly, the more you work on yourself and focus on your goals, the busier you'll be. When you're busy trying to achieve your own goals in life, you don't have time nor fucks to give about women. The simple mindset of 'I don't have time, nor do I care about you' while treating them like you already got what you wanted drives them mad. Just focus on yourself honestly.

[–]welshmin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"So imagine you're 12 again but instead of hitting puberty and wanting to make something of yourself, you literally didn't. You didnt grow at all in terms of character from 12. You havent improved or grown stronger"

Whoa. For anyone wasting time, look at that fucking sentence.

[–]Macheako[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well I was gonna say something but there you go and take every goddamn word out my mouth. That shit was like literary porn.

Because I see how game is a fucking scam and I see how fucking stupid women are lol

First off, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THE ONE THING EVERY MAN WANTS TO SAY BUT IS TOO PUSSY TO! lol Women ARE fucking stupid lol it's just part a their "hand" I guess lol I don't know. Of course there are exceptions, but by and large, women are just fuckin goofy. Their ideas don't stand the test of time, they don't EVER research something before they open their big mouths, they just ASSUME what they said has to be good/useful, they NEVER stop and ask themselves "oh wait, is what I just said wrong?", you HAVE to beat em down with logic before they'll fucking open up to bein the retards they are lol.

But like ANY human being can appreciate, on average people don't function by the creed "Do what is Right", but really "Do what works"....and bein a ditzy ho WORKS!!!! lol So we can hate it for all it represents....but it fuckin works for women, so I don't know how "valid" any a that hatred is.

tldr; Her opinion is actually useful no more than....lets say 10 times throughout her whole life. And that's me bein nice lol

All they can discern are its secondary effects.

I really wonder sometimes if women can understand abstract concepts. Like you hit the nail on the head here. They don't seem to be able to bridge "observed experience" to "an explainable pattern". Like, you almost always have to explain to these girls what's going on. They could see something happen 100 times and STILL take the wrong message from it lol. I don't really hold that against em, I mean, I do think that sorta is one a the roles guys are supposed to play for women, so it's all good mother nature, but still.....be aware lol. Women suck at understanding cause, they live through a lens of effect until some dude starts explainin this shit to em.

No hunny, only privilege I have is that my whole life I wasnt given shit and I had to earn everything I got in this world.

This IS White Male Privilege. We don't have an eternal fucking babysitter called the state.

I know GOOD dudes who dont get laid and I know FUCKING LOSERS who slay it.

If "getting fucked by lots of women" is the Trademark of what it takes to be a real man.....then we've been tricked by a cadre of faggots cause that is some BULLLLLLL SHITTTTTTTTTT lolol. Fuck women. Every way ya can. Like, they'll fuck these LOSERS just cause they give em 15 minutes of excitement. Nevermind the guy's a felon, or killed his parents, or sells child porn, who cares, if he's "fun" enough, she'll fuck him!

Why? See point #1

So the dudes out there who still judge their lives by the pussy they slay....my condolences. That's gotta be what being a chick is like, having no real purpose out of something completely fucking meaningless like promiscuous sex. It can't be a happy existence, least not a real one, and I don't mean that as a dig, it breaks my heart that shit got here, but it's time to fucking change. We've ran out of excuses.

For good this time.

Top-Effort post dude. Serious brain work over here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You're going to call me a "white knight" or a "pussy" or a "snowflake" or some other meaningless label, but here goes.

Your descriptions of women lacking character can just as easily apply to men, especially those who haven't had to work much for success (I'm thinking of a son of a real estate agent who thinks saying "I grab pussy" is okay).

There are plenty of women who've had to work for success, and the gender as a whole certainly has been set back more than men over the course of history.

Who are you to judge how much character a gender has until you've met every member?

You're calling your sexist propaganda post "truth bombs" because they're your opinion. You've presented no facts. A lot of conservatives claim that the left puts their feelings first, with no facts, but what do we have here?

SJW out.

[–]AFuckYou-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah, I'd say ugly fat women don't have it so easy. But they can still turn out to be fucks. I agree about not giving a shit about what they say. But that's just because many women are caddy bitches. And many women do have personalities. They can be a lot of fun to be around.

It makes amazing that everywhere I go on Reddit, I sound like you. But on here I sound like normal Reddit.

[–]bahday02 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Hahaha!! My god you're even more fragile than I thought! Why are you agonizing over women, you are worthless to most! Devoid of character? You've gotten here through rape and murder and mass domestic violence and repression. You didn't earn anything. You are parasites who attach their value to women, to bedding women, to getting married to women, to being smiled at or admired by or listened to by women. Has any woman (name one movement ) historically strived to define their self worth through men ? Nope. But you .. you are given a way out of your bondage but you decline it. You don't know what to with yourselves , it's sad and pathetic ..and yet it's also a small solace for women. Dependent creeps. Don't go shooting up schools or blowing places you unstable creeps

[–]imn0tg00d7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Someone should be getting banned. u/redpillschool ?

[–]killermike-el-P1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd say all those bad things you mentioned are earned. Just cause they're bad doesn't mean they don't count. Responding to your comment about men always defining themselves through women. Einstein Isaac Newton (virgin) Alexander the great Caesar Shyaka Zulu Christiano Ronaldo Anyway even if that wasn't the case and all men used women as a staple for their success. It would make sense because women when looking for a man look for successful men in one avenue of life or all avenues. So if a man has a lot of women, it's safe to say he's successful. Men look for beauty in women, that's why beautiful women measure their worth through attention from men, so women who become successful wouldn't define themselves through men since men don't really care about that aspect sexually speaking. So it would be pointless for a woman who works hard in the office to define herself through men. But if men were as attracted to success in women as women are attracted to success in men then I guarantee you that they would define themselves through men. It's also worth noting that successful men defining themselves through women has little to no difference with defining themselves through their cars, women are seen as a resource consciously or sub consciously. So you see, men don't define themselves through women ( which isn't the only way btw) because they're envious of the fairer(weaker) gender, rather because they're seen as a high value resource.

[–]LavaPipe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy triggered. I don't really agree with this post but my god you sound like a miserable soul. Also so many women define their worth through men daily.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can understand where your coming from but this whole post seems to have come from a place of anger and/or rage, and I don't think we should let emotions sway our path to betterment.

[–]Shaman66240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

*A lot of women in todays hyperfeminized culture are devoid of character. I'ts because they don't have any standarda for the behaviour of women since we collectively pedestalize them. But I do know some women who have more character then me.

But the point stands: don't let someone dictate the way you behave yourself.

[–]Growthandchange0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I tell you what , some posts on this sub are so childish and ignorant of the darkness and manipulation in society ITS LAUGHABLE. Fuck a hedge fund manager, parasitic scum

[–]halfarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wooow, you're a real piece of work OP.

[–]Hiimusog 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Look you may have raised some solid points but I didn't get to read them since I quit after reading the first few lines of "WOMEN ARE EVIL ANGER PHASE REPRESENT".

Grow up. Stop hating the world so much. Life is more enjoyable, try it.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy

You post quality content.


[–]RedPillHanSolo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, and this faggot has audacity to say "Grow up".

[–]Hiimusog 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

What has that got to do with TRP? I don't post to TRP because I don't have quality content to post. If others followed in my footsteps perhaps the sub would not be filled with the garbage it is filled with now.

All left to the mods to clean up everyone elses own egotistical ravings and rants, poor fellas.

[–]1Captain_Save_A_Hoe_6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Go play your video games and keep watching porn, faggot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

It just shows you're an immature boy.

So, your comments get that level of respect.

Of course you don't "get" this post. You haven't grown up yet. Why are you on TRP at all if you don't want to improve yourself?

To improve yourself means taking in new opinions and ideas, maybe seeing things in a different way, and dropping your ego enough to allow you to do that.

But you remain a child, unwilling to read an article because of tone.

[–]Hiimusog 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Wanting to improve myself is the exact reason why I don't bother with rubbish posts filled with biased opinions based on some childs bad past experiences with women.

Improving is identifying what is good and useful, while disregarding the rest.

Its why you see thousands of failures on subreddits such as fitness and bodybuilding. The blind leading the blind.

[–]RedPillHanSolo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't bother

But the fact is, you do bother, idiot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You're so blind you don;'t even know you're blind.

Thanks for that, your irony was delicious.

Enjoy your smurfy little life, blooper.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

ANNND....he deleted.

I'm taking my ball and going home!!! Mommy!!!

[–]Hiimusog-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just was reminded of a lesson I'd learnt before...think as you like but behave like others.

Talking to a wall is pointless :)

[–]meninistMD-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is guys who help women better themselves so they can get attention, those are the worst kind

[–]Raggos-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know, think it certainly has to do with the western culture. But less thought masturbation, more examples.


Neighbour, old sweet lady, in her 80's pushing 90's....Kid stepped on a mine, she held him dieing in her arms (younger age). Remaries, has another kid. Works to support the kid and nephew however she can....keeps working on her garden to give vegetables to them even though they run a fckin casino.


There's women out there, that are rougher than a puppy squeeling on a trp post. It's good to generalize sometimes, but know it's just the middle of the spectrum.

[–]GrizTod-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You guys make sure to share your opinions on women with all the women in your lives, k? Yeah, didn't think so.

Maybe if you have to hide your ideals, the problem is you.

[–]Mr__MainStream1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I strongly disagree. What is right or true is not always socially acceptable. For example, taxation is literal extortion by the government: "give me money and I won't put you in jail". But I'd never say that in public because it sounds ridiculous.

[–]GrizTod-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it is ridiculous and it's not true. If you don't want to pay taxes, you can avoid every one of them. Or, you're free to leave the country.

I've blocked this sub, so we're done here. If you want the last word, I don't care, but I won't read it.

[–]Ltactics1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah yes, And men are all perfect bastions of principle. This is why there is never any piss on the toilet seats in the men's bathroom.

[–]vlad-the-inhalor09-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Weird how all the new critical comments have 1 downvote... OP is that you?

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