Just remember, you don't have to prove anything to anybody. Failure is only as bad as you decide it will be. Nobody can tell you how to live life. Only you can decide what is good. You do you.
Just because you don't exercise or you're not looking your best, doesn't mean you have to feel bad about yourself. There's somebody out there for everybody! You just gotta wait for the right time, and the right person will come along.
Trust me, those girls giving you a pass today, they'll realize they've made a mistake 10 years down the road. Then who's laughing? You are, you big silly manlet! You showed them!
There's simply no objective truth to be found. Everybody's different. Everybody has something that works for them, don't change just because some assholes on the internet tell you that's the only way to get respect and women. Stay exactly who you are. You're good enough just the way you are. Accepting the status quo isn't shameful.
Women can't be generalized either, remember that. Every woman is completely unique and they all have different tastes and preferences. There's a woman out there looking for someone just like you. Never change who you are for somebody else.
You're good enough, smart enough, and doggone it, people like you!
No, not really. Useless feel-good platitudes are against the rules.
Learn them.
This is exactly what I thought when I saw that You're MORE than good enough post, which was ridiculously upvoted.
Every time some jerk writes You're the Prize! I laugh. Less than 10% of men qualify for that. The most basic understanding of statistics . . . you get my point.
That's the exact post that triggered me posting this. And removing that.
I guess red pill guys can get triggered.
Oh, I get it: guys, put your posts up over the weekend so they last longer. Maybe I should edit that out.
The fact that was so well-loved just shows you, well, it shows you something.
The whole You're the prize idea is so counter to the central RP principle of sperm being cheap and men being replaceable. These aren't advanced lessons - dudes should be learning this first thing.
There is some irony in this, though, because another RP principle is Women need men more than men need women. How do you get around this? By thinking about it over a scale of years.
The problem is blurring the distinction between useful advice and lying to yourself for an effect.
Nobody is the prize, it's practically useless info.
But believing you're awesome is a good way to "fake it till you make it."
The problem is when the people giving the advice become so many steps removed from the mechanism they're trying to emulate that the advice becomes useless platitudes.
I'd like to have a go at defending the "I'm the prize" mindset, as follows:-
My position is that "I'm the prize" can be consciously adopted as a belief for better seduction outcomes. It may initially be a lie or not, depending on the individual male in question.
Everyone has a self image of some kind, we carry it with us into our interactions. When new to game a man may have low self esteem, and beliefs like "oh my god she's so gorgeous she'd never want me only rich/buff/cool guys get to sleep with her". These beliefs are lies, and they are unconscious. So it may be advisable to make a conscious effort to replace those beliefs with more productive ones. A male can use conscious lies to replace unconscious lies, until the truth catches up to the self-made hype.
Men are better than women. Is there any man reading this who would prefer to be female? I believe that my life is improving, where a female
at my ageis suffering a distinct and 'objective' drop in SMV each year, per CH.I'm the prize, precisely because I believe that I am the prize...women DO value behaviours more than objective or scientifically measurable factors. When I am acting like a high value person, she gets the tingles, and I can make her lose attraction by acting in the equivalent opposite way.
My real beliefs have a real effect on my real behaviour, which means I really get better reproduction outcomes in the real world with real women.
An example: when my boundaries are violated, I turn into a narcissistic asshole and make it wildly clear that I won't accept such behaviour. 'She' is hardwired to see this as an 'Alpha' behaviour and verbally complains but gets the tingles all the same. Hot sex ensues. She does not recognize that the argument at lunch time lead to the hot sex at 9pm, but I do. *This is an example from my own life.
The truth can be created. Especially if your target is female and hasn't spent a great deal of time thinking deeply about objective reality.
Powerful people create truth every day, dark triad people are effective at creating a desired truth in their victims.
A political example is the 'Axis of Evil' which was created by the US president and was dropped when no longer expedient. Iran Iraq and N. Korea could hardly be described as a tight alliance but POTUS can do things like that due to having sufficient power.
Other examples of lies that make civilization possible and shape our daily lives are: fiat currency, national boundaries, democracy, freedom, sexual equality. I don't wish to labour the point.
It's only a lie until it isn't.
Let's assume that the mindset "i'm the prize" was picked up in either TRP or dating/game advice somewhere else on the internet. A percentage of males make no further changes in their lives and remain chode forever. The rest of the men go out and learn game externally, while they concurrently go home and improve their fitness and career. Those men get the sexual life that they desire and refuse to tolerate crap from women for ever after, thus becoming 'The Prize'.
In summary: replacing the lie "she is the prize" with the lie "I am the prize" is in some cases effective, self fulfilling, and as valid as any other belief in the sexual market place.
Notice, the entire theme here is 'makes me feel good'
Theres nothing objectively better about any of this.
And guess what some asshole who just wants a pity party is gonna do? He's gonna revel in this, and become increasingly bitter that no one else agrees.
Remember, a praxeology is never about whats true, it's about whats useful. And for the guy who has this message resonate with him, an inflated ego is not useful. humble confidence is useful, since that guy still goes to the gym
I think part of it is that people read the rules of Pook and don't understand that becoming the prize takes work, time and effort. Is hard to internalize the attitude and not come off like you're spouting useless platitudes.
Being the prize is the prize.
Behold the power of the META-PRIZE!
would you be comfortable with having just sex with a woman? Would she? The answer lies in these two basic questions
Oh hell yes this was refreshing.
Red pill wont truly thrive with the dogmatism behind the sub. The "You're more TGE" post gave me some good vibes, not vibes that lead to getting cucked and stepped on but vibes that leads to taking action and pure internal confidence. Self esteem is just as good for the TRP man. No sense in applying RP tenets when you can't even believe in yourself.
That being said I'm infuriated that post was taken down. Good luck with being pompous ass pretentious dictators on a fucking reddit sub.
Thing is men in Western societies have been conditioned to seek validation outside themselves from grade school. Living and performing based on someone else's random metric like a rat instead of formulating their own. A single TRP post will do little to discourage this destructively, emasculating, thought-->behavioral process.
I think you guys missed the point of that other post. I interpreted it as “You’re better than HER”. Which is the same message Patrice O’Neil had in several podcasts.
Would rather see the bragging posts get deleted but do whatever you want this is your sub.
It was more like see a woman and don't think you're not good enough, but think You're MORE than good enough and approach her;
but then when she doesn't give a shit about what you thought and she shoots you down in flames, then what?
It was putting the cart before the horse, or more like not even having a damn horse.
So whats your approach? Mentality wise, approaching girls? How SHOULD you think of yourself, if not better than the girl?
I look at the chick like I want to eat her. I have actually heard many of them say this to me later, without me saying it first. You looked like you wanted to eat me.
So, you go in like a predator. This one doesn't work out, find another. That's how predators work.
What about all these posts from endorsed contributes saying not to head swivel and shit, as well as not to validate and give attention to these girls bc thats what they want.
That post was just some useless feelgood bullshit and even naming Patrice in the same sentence is blasphemy in its highest form.
I clearly only remembered specific parts of that post after reading other comments here.
I prefer to say "get off your ass and make yourself the prize."
Exactly, the "You're the prize!"-mindset requires that you also actually work on yourself and make yourself valuable. Otherwise you're just a bitter, depressed incel with an absurd self-image.
Let's face it, most of us are not much of a prize at all. The decision you have to make is whether you want to stay here and become the prize or die trying, or whether you want to join MGTOW & Co, deluding yourself that you are absolutely perfect and everything wrong in your life comes from the world, not from you.
It usually seemed to come from some fat, doughy, dad-bod married guy who let his wife run the house, who finally was determined to turn things around. (Those guys don't post on TRP anymore, maybe there's a reason for that.)
No matter where it's coming from, better phrased it would be "You SHOULD BE the prize." And then do the work you mentioned to become the prize. Because men have this great capacity for improvement.
But what we're talking about here is the guys who want to skip those important steps.
When we think the present defines us, we get stuck. Your life gets slowly shaped around the beliefs that you hold as your subconscious acts to uphold those beliefs. Beyond the humility that it takes to recognize where you are beyond personal bullshit, telling someone not to believe they are the prize is counter productive to them actually becoming the prize.
How is that basic understanding of statistics? I feel like a lot of posters' percentages are pulled out of their ass
We are the prize. We provide monthly income streams, a target for all the world's problems and we do all the hard work. To get us is to get the prize.
In 90% of cases, a prize so easily won is no prize at all.
Women don't care about all that shit you listed.
You have to understand the irony here. I'm not really disagreeing with you, I'm just telling you how it's seen in the real world. Women don't care about men. Until they have to. And most men don't go to that extent. They just provide and hope for a return. Which is not forthcoming. Because it is not required. Because men just keep putting out. So stupid.
Women do care about the shit I listed because that's why they try to betaize and divorce rape men. You're missing the bigger picture, the farm falls apart without it's work horses.
I said:
Do women appreciate the "monthly income streams"? No. They only care about that shit when it disappears. And in most situations it doesn't just disappear, for many reasons. One is men are too glad to give away all their shit for the slim chance at some poon.
You said:
I'm reading between the lines: you are hoping for women to somehow come to their senses (LOL) and acknowledge how much they depend on men. That is a fantasy.
You are focusing too much on the beta side of the equation. When I said women don't care about that shit, I meant women are not sexually attracted to that.
It's not The Red Pill: Discussion of beta provider strategy
It's: The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
Just a small appreciation for redpillschool who has to put up with Bluepillinvasions for years now. Can't respect your work enough.
Thanks. I was considering starting a hatreon to supplement the time and cost put into this and trp.red. Anybody have experience with this company?
It's not something you want to be associated with.
You know patreon would drop red pillers as a "hate group." I understand hatreon's name to be sarcastic.
My opinion, take it or leave it: It doesn't help our position if we're willing to align ourselves with a website that hosts racial supremacists and Nazis. I do not want to be associated with that, and I'm confident that the black and Jewish (and other diverse) TRPers don't, either.
You do realize that 99% of "white supremacists" and "nazis" are something blooper leftists conjured up in their dripping wet dream of victimhood splooge in order to control the narrative, right?
When you toss around those words unironcally you might as well scream about the patriarchy or muh Russia like an SJW.
none of us care.
Source: Minority, not black or jew
Where do you draw that line though? We're on the same internet as them, does that mean we have the same values?
What should bother you is that people who discuss the truth of sexual relations is considered as bad as racists or nazis, and is left with the same options as far as payment methods go.
The truth is, nobody here gets to just publish their paypal for a number of reasons: privacy, doxxing risks, losing employment risk, and paypal shuts down accounts associated with the manosphere.
I honestly don't think anybody on a page called "red pill" is going to fall for such sjw concerns, honestly.
Don't kid yourself; if we align ourselves with Mother Theresa and feeding dogs all around the world, we'd be hated.
I'm a Nazi and using "who is aligned with anybody else" in making quality judgments is for the dull-witted.
Why patreon when you can accept Bitcoin, Ethereum, LiteCoin and the mighty Monero.
I think the advantage is subscription payments, which I don't think are easy to automate with any of the cryptocoins.
Bitcoin's current network fee is more than most would donate.
If I'm not mistaken, Andrew Anglin from Daily Stormer uses it because nobody else will allow their sites to be used. Of course, he's such a wiseguy that he could be joking about it, but, I don't think so.
I wasn't going to open this because it sounded like bullshit. Saw the OP and almost didn't believe it. Opened it. Realized it was sarcasm. Should have known better.
Fuck all that Disney bullshit.
I'm down 20 lbs in the past 6 weeks. Got another 70 to go, then I'm gonna bulk.
The redpill was created as the opposite reaction to this "just be yourself" bullshit. "Just be yourself" is as bluepill as it gets.
How about your mental conditioning?
The "Just Be Yourself" crowd absolutely adores the idea of that special someone stumbling across your couch laden carcass while you're eating Cheetos with your permanently dyed orange fingers. There's a special snowflake for everyone!
Or... learn game, lift, and self improve... while sucking on special snowflake icepops made from tears of their fears topped with your conquered demon sprinkles.
Any good resources for learning game?
Valentino Kohens my favorite "pickup" guy but he also does a lot of theory and game psychology.
I don't agree. This shit will cause people on this sub to go into full self improvement mode and next thing you know they're 180 lbs shredded making 100 grand a year and dressing like Ryan Gosling and they'll still be thinking "If I just do _____ then I'll finally be able to talk to a girl!" Sure, all of this stuff matters if you want to increase the quality of what you're pulling, but the "you are enough" mentality is what you need to actually pull.
Thanks for this
I am so so sick of dragging my ass to the gym, skipping meals, and acting like a tough guy when I'm hurting on the inside.
Yes I am having sex, getting paid and respected by folks but I want to be true to myself
and Thank God my Princess and her kids will be waiting for me in 15 years. I don't care if she was plunged like an old toilet by 50 Convicts, Athletes, and Sociopaths. She chose me for me!
Beautiful. Amen brother.
EXACTLY
looks matter
race matters
height matters
muscles matter
status matters
confidence matters
money matters
But what if I'm an ugly short brown skinny unconfident broke nobody??? (Actually closer to reality than I was anticipating tbh)
u got a shit hand in life
you have to do the best with what you have because there is no other way
I mean, that applies to everyone, no matter their hand.
So in other words don't be a bitch and get shit done. Who gives a fuck who or what you are.
No other way to what? Fuck women?
Grind it out. Suck up the tears and fight for your life.
100% my reality as well, but take this in.
Things you can control:
+Muscles
+Status
+Confidence
+Money
Things you can Influence:
Looks
Things you cant control:
-Race
-Height
I like me my odds.
I was triggered for a second. Glad you took down that piece of shit post that was upvoted like crazy. Everyone who upvoted that should feel shame.
And once again I have no idea what's going on here
Yes, you do.
No really, I have no idea what OP got triggered of nor what he wants to achieve with this post
If you're here it's because you realized you weren't enough and wanted to become more.
I don't think the red pill is about making people feel good. It's about becoming better.
Feeling good comes after you've earned it.
Exactly. And feeling bad is the catalyst to change.
I'd rather look good than feel good.
Guess I've been lifting for nothing.
Time to order a pizza & a 2 liter of Mountain Dew and settle into some World of Warcraft.
How the fuck can people like me when I don't like myself?
Wrong answer: You just need to learn to like yourself (read as: You need to be delusional)
Right answer: Improve.
Red pill wont truly thrive with the dogmatism behind the sub. The "You're more TGE" post gave me some good vibes, not vibes that lead to getting cucked and stepped on but vibes that leads to taking action and pure internal confidence. Self esteem is just as good for the TRP man. No sense in applying RP tenets when you can't even believe in yourself.
That being said I'm infuriated that the post was taken down. Good luck dealing with pompous ass pretentious dictators on a fucking reddit sub.
There are two very different prospects in this "you are good enough" statement. A) It increases confidence, that which is per se attractive and useful, certainly what the guy of the other post tried to invoke at the readers and B) It may well cut your motivation to improve, and that's where the danger lives.
This good enough mentality (restricted only to that, its evolution - "you don't have to change, there's someone for everyone, blabla" - is pure bullshit) can be somewhat fulfilling and useful for that confidence that helps with women, but it has to come from a place of self improvement, when you know you are the best that you can be, or at least is sweating your ass off and getting there, not just some fake feeling generated from a post from a random in the internet
Thank you for removing that post.
If you're feeling so worthless that even the prospect of improving isn't motivating, it can help to have a perspective that there is something already worthwhile in you. Arguably, anyone who pulls themselves out of the shit must have this idea inside of them in some form otherwise they wouldn't bother. That's not the same as denying AWALT, saying there's somebody for everyone, believing in fate, saying it's ok to be fat and lazy, thinking the world is just or any of the other things your post asserts. And since this post is most likely a thinly veiled justification for removing "You ARE MORE than good enough" (or a warning against posts like it), it should be noted "You ARE MORE than good enough" didn't assert any of what you did.
Men are inherently worthless. We start with potential only. We compete to rise above the pack. Mental models follow action; not vice versa.
That's something I've been thinking about a lot. Men start from the bottom, below women, men are the disposable sex, but what we have that women don't, never did and never will, is potential. The bottom of the world is 99% men, and the top of the world is also 99% men.
We're all or nothing. They're condemned to mediocrity.
Just like the correlation to the IQ distribution curve difference between men and women (see The Bell Curve).
Women also has a potential. I met enough women better than me that your view is annoyingly oversimplistic. I am well-aware of large samples and averages. Then you are right though.
I'm curious. How do you reconcile the fact of men being inherently worthless with the overwhelming pride (nowadays and especially in the past) that fathers feel in having a son (and in the context of the past, shame in having a daughter)?
If you do not act to improve, nothing is going to improve.
If you daydream about improvement while doing nothing about it, you don't get a man card.
Reframing your thoughts about your own self worth is acting toward improve things.
Also, ignoring the fact that the post didn't say what you are indirectly asserting it did and thus didn't break the rules, but removing it anyway is an abuse of power.
Did the big bad mod hurt your feelings?
Read the rules son, they apply to both content and titles. Barring that, we get to remove what we don't like. It's never going to be fair. Nothing in life is fair.
If the title is the reason you removed it then you must remove this post as well to be logically consistent.
You also broke another rule:
"Do not insult or harass members. Posts & Comments Reported as: Do not insult or harass members.
If you have a point to be made, you can make it with a well reasoned rationale, or not at all. Calling members "beta" or "bitch" brings the level of discourse down to preadolescent schoolyard bickering.
Additionally, individuals with special flairs are members of the community who have proven themselves to add valuable content to our forum. We want them to stay. If you try to make their participation unpleasant, you will be banned. Feel free to disagree with them, but do so with courtesy."
While I don't take offense to your snarky tone, asking me if you hurt my feelings is implying the exact same thing that someone calling me a "beta" or a "bitch" would. Furthermore, calling me "son" in the context which you did, could be replaced with either "beta" or "bitch" and it would have a very similar connotation and meaning making it functionally identical.
Oh shit, I better step down and hand over the keys to this guy. He showed me! Way to stand up to authority!
Here's a life skill: Don't argue with the mods. 10 out of 10 times you will lose.
TRP isn't a democracy. The mods get to rule to rule this sub with an iron fist. And I for one am glad. If the mods didn't, this place would become pure anarchy; what with all the newbie bloopies rushing in, not bothering to read the sidebar and then posting their garbage. The main message would be drowned out before you could blink. Also considering most people barely bother to read the sidebar as it is anyway.
As to your point, I've read damn near every self help book ever recommended to me and you know what? None come close to the PURE, RAW truth that is TRP. And you know what else? Reframing your thoughts doesn't work without action. Sure. You can do a bunch of CBT and work on changing your core beliefs. But if you don't follow any of it up with action, you'll end up right where you started.
What I don't understand other than excuses to be sub par (like you're someone's prize), is why are there men that accept that. Like why don't you want to be the baddest mother fucker on the face of the planet. Simply put, if a man can lift 400 lbs, a real man should be unbelievably motivated to lift 405. This goes beyond the gym and applies to work, social functions, pretty much everything.
Remember don't try to imitate an Alpha. Instead be the alpha.
Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice, twice the shame on me.
Never change who you are for somebody else.
I agree with that actually.
Im the author of the removed post.
My post made none of the above assertions. Mod didnt understand it at all. Though some ppl in the comments did.
Been lurking here for 5 years. Most of you ec's I remember. The thing that bugged me from the start was the inherent masochism of trp, the celebrated suffering and aversion to truths that feel good.
muh trp is bitter muh hard to swallow muh pain is good muh it hurts so right!
You've come at a stage when everything that feels good must be a lie that will destroy you. I can imagine that happening to many of you since the reason most come here is they get broken by source of most pleasure in life - for not yet fully actualized man, that source are women. You see, you really are running at the same spot here? Underlying problems in your mind still run circles around you.
What is this bullshit about men are worthless, seed is worthless? Are you fucking insane? Maybe you and yours is. Good luck with that. Trp has reached a point when it became the thing it fought against.
I thought this sub was a place 4 propagation of "alpha" or 20%ers mindset. You realize that none of the people who rule in those terms think themselves worthless? How can you give worth to the world when you walk around carrying your inadequacies? And the feminine approach to life you do - take care of the outer and it will take care of the inner, is apposite of what manhood is about. If you were a girl, mr mod, you would beg for likes on facebook and you know its true.
If you go to sleep thinking you are worthless, than you win every confrontation mr mod, since nothing can be taken away, when you effort to destroy your self every day. I lived like that once it wasnt fun. But by all means continue.
As for people who understood my post: Thanks for commenting, helped me sharpen some insights myself, Im glad I helped some of you get that aha moment, keep working on yourself and love your self trough the process. Good bless. Im out.
You must be new here. The number one principle of the red pill is embracing truth no matter how hard or dark that truth may be. The truth is, men struggle in the mating world because men are genetically disposable.
That's not to say having a good mindset and inner game isn't important. But your feel-good platitudes don't make that distinction. No, you don't have intrinsic value. That's why we focus on things like lifting, improvement and such.
I don't know who you are, but I do know you know nothing of this sub if that's your approach to it.
Nobody here is suggesting you should loathe yourself. But saying "love yourself" is so eat-pray-love I can't imagine what made you think that tone fit here.
To be fair, I fucking love myself and Narcussus himself would tsk tsk me.
The fact that this attitude works and reduces personal anxiety to zero is mindboggling
I don't disagree with the principle of having confidence to the point of excess. Just platitudes.
I know you don't, I'm just pointing out that a healthy dose of irratational self love has slayed more bag than all the hallmark cards ever printed
Sure, also no matter how good and pleasant it may be. Should be above the simple rule of thumb - feels bad - must be true.
Thats not the truth. That is subjective experience of SOME males. Ask a prince in Dubai about what he feels, knows and experiences and he would tell you a different story. Im not focused at 80%ers and their mindset. SOME man struggle and 90% if not more its NOT because of their genes, but because of how society is set up without healthy masculine guidance offered from males birth. The collective mindset of males worldwide is fucked. To punish them into becoming better achieves nothing. Self actualization comes from being proud as a man and not settling for less than best in your body mind spirit and surroundings. Male-female is mutually supportive system in nature. A tribe with many guys could defend and rape more efficiently than tribe which slaughtered their men freely. Big army vs small army. Society which favors women is only a pray for society that favors man - and that is why west is prey for muslims right now. Who I assure you dont feel worthless like men in west do.
Every man has intrinsic value. Feeling better about yourself has helped everyone become happier and more successful person in anything in life, except if their goal was to give $$ to shrinks and farma. The closely connected issue is that not every man pursues his full potential, but thats not as same as not having intrinsic value. Also intrinsic means value from within. WITHIN.
You will get nowhere with "being ok with yourself" if thats what you're aiming for. This shit is binary. You either love yourself or hate yourself. No middle. At least not if you want to be best u can be.
So trp is about "the tone" not about the Truth? And truth for me is everything that helps me achieve more of what I love doing.
Im not familiar with that movie but you can be sure if I watched a movie titled "Flowers and their impact on bees", and it had some valuable insights, I would adopt them. Im a pragmatic person. Color of a tool doesnt matter if it does the job, but if it does the job and makes me feel great, even better. I might read a children's book about a lost kitten and I will get something out of it.
You dont have any real arguments in your favor, just feel-bad platitudes, since that seems to be the word of the day. I welcome something you can offer that can truly destroy the points I made.
This is how I know you don't belong here. Failure to understand generalizations is a hallmark of a troll.
If a rock thinks he is a tree, does that make a rock intro a tree?
Show me where this is written in the stars. If an asteroid took out the entire species, in which court do we hold the asteroid accountable?
Valuing yourself does not change anything about objective reality. You can love yourself to death but if you're a fat ugly loser, you still haven't won the right of anybody's respect let alone attraction.
The tone here is the truth. A bit of nuance you've missed.
You're a pragmatic person who doesn't understand the difference between functional advice and the nature of things. One can be optimistic without lying to oneself about the nature of things.
The blue pill is nothing more than convenient lies to tell yourself to avoid harsh realities. Some blue pill lies aren't as bad as others, but they are still lies.
Hell, some people believe that the alignment of the stars gave them great fortune rather than persistence and hard work. That doesn't mean astrology is now a good way to make predictions. Astrology fails to illustrate a mechanism by which it works. Likewise, loving yourself fails to address any sort of mechanism by which demonstrable results can be achieved. That is what makes it a de facto platitude.
It's not that loving yourself is wrong, it's that your advice is not actionable and is entirely fluff. Useless for the discussion at hand here.
You think you're the first person in here dick-in-hand flashing some JAQ-off blue pill points thinking you're going to take down the entire purpose of a very popular forum? You must really love yourself. Nightly.
Dont cherry pick, what about points I made about your needless masochism? U ignore the most important point.
slow clap 4 that logic. In any case anyone's been wondering, rock cannot become a tree, but man can become self actualized. Dont degrade yourself with faulty logic.
Yes it does, it changes everything. Beliefs change behaviors. People with high self worth dont allow themselves nothing but the best in mind spirit body. And there are plenty charismatic fat males that slay and earn respect. Maybe not fat by usa standards but fat by european for sure.
stupidest thing I heard all day.
You shouldnt lie to yourself, but everything can be viewed as bad or good depending on perspective. Nothing is inherently bad or good. But good things tend to motivate better. At least in my case. Im more of a carrot type of man.
Belief leads to changed behavior and to changed experience. Its most basic thing to comprehend come on man you're close.
blu or red I overgrew both. There is wealth of experience to be had when you let go of concepts. I dont give a fuck about "trolling" what is this 2005.?
Thought trp was closest to my mindset, so wanted to share and help out. Know better now. To be frank nowhere in your mission statement you told "and to be happy doing that" so I stand corrected and erected.
How's that for dick waggling?
Yup, troll. Couldn't handle generalizations, nor understand a metaphor. That's two strikes.
And I'll throw in the third for free. See ya!
A prince in Dubai? LOLOLOL you have got to be kidding me
I'll tell you what my problem with your post was: you WERE talking to the 80%ers
I had the same issue when I first delved into posts. Unlike in PUA books, there are no beginnings like "you are the alpha, you have that inner strenght". Instead I saw people like "looks is all that matter you shithead". There are guys who are really fucked up in life. No job, no sex, no life at all. They think "fortunately there is red pill, I will improve myself and I will be the chad one day." And end up misunderstanding the "if you are ugly, you worth no shit" posts. There is one truth that we all understand that men didn't born with anything valuable so we gotta work and obtain it. But I really can't understand why people keep telling like "Hey I got the perfect face I am 6'2 lean as fuck. Don't even try if you are ugly you worth no shit". Well thanks for reminding me that I am only going to be a better beta for working my ass off.
I understand that "you are good enough" posts are bullshit. But, are those "you will never fuck a hb8 because you are fucking ugly and you are short." posts necessary? Well It doesn't matter if you can get a hb8 as long as you keep your frame in my opinion (self respect). If you were going to discourage newbies with those posts, why didn't those guys create a private platform that only top %15 could join?
The problem with not thinking of yourself as the shit is that this unabashed confident mentality works with women. I would even go as far to say that having an absurdly inaccurate perception of yourself would do wonders, but the crucial key is to maintain it while interacting with a woman. The issue is a lot of these incels and low-on-the-totem-pole guys may think of themselves as the shit after three masturbation sessions, but this perception CRUMBLES when it's actually challenged and the woman can feel the crumble. Hell, I bet the guy feels it too, but he blames her and doesn't look inward. However, if you can maintain that frame that you are the prize in her presence while she's throwing shit at you, I don't see how that wouldn't be ideal.
The universe is yours as soon as you stop giving a fuck about what you were told and read the sidebar.
The scary part is, people who can't figure out this is satire will be blinded by emotion and take this as truth lol.
You're good enough when you train, you are smart enough when you study. You don't have to prove anything to anybody, you have to prove everything to yourself.
Your boss may betray you, your gf/plate/wife may betray you, your parents may betrat you. Your effort will not.
True confidence does not come from within, ignorence does. Make yourself the best there is because noone else deserves it most. But only when you shape yourself, you become on top. This is my mantra I am trying to live by.
You're the Prize! mentality can become an asset depending how you utilize it. If you can become the prize, capitalize on it, use it. All your hard work is a waste if you don't reap the benefits. We see a lot of people wasting themselves because they don't realize they are the prize. And we see a lot of people just being lazy because they think they are. I think there is a balance here we must achieve.
If I never adopted a "be the prize" mindset when I was a chubby virgin, I probably wouldn't have ever had sex and continued being a chubby virgin. Having more sex and a girlfriend who dumped me helped me find trp and become who I am today.
It's not saying you're just as good looking as a dude who puts in work lifting, it's just having some self esteem and not seeing yourself as "unworthy" of sex simply cause you're not an alpha bro chad thunder cock (yet)
Small steps people.. you don't need to be a 10 of a dude to get laid.. just gain a little confidence. You get nowhere without taking the first step forward.
WTF is this "just be yourself" BP post doing here?
Did you read it?
Wanted to write "wtf, how is this red pilled" until I realized it's sarcasm.
wow this really helped me out today thank you so much for this man
Reminds me of a time I tried to pick up a chick in my car. She completely blew me off, and said "she doesn't date Asians". My mind was blown by that statement.
Why was your mind blown by honesty ?
Delete this post from the top already, jeez
You know what the real irony of this post is? There is so much wisdom in being able to accept ourselves as we are in order to begin our process of improvement. The difference is doing so out of compassion for ourselves rather than competing against the herd to have the better prize around our arms and dicks.
This subreddit is absolute trash. There's a reason why competition doesn't breed honesty, compassion, or well-being for society and society is the mess that it is. But I guess the red pill solution is to devolve back into primitive alpha bros who justify being pathetic douche bags to sell their souls for pussy. "Useless feel-good" sounds about right, red pill. Enjoy your lifetime of suffering. NEWS FLASH: We don't live in a jungle anymore.
Not in the physical sense but in the metaphorical sense we certainly still live there. You think the best of the best get to where they are because someone said they deserve it and handed it to them? No -- they earned it.
And anyone who tells you that there's no need for competition is someone who already gave up a long time ago and is looking for the free handouts. NEWS FLASH: Those who espouse equality the most are the one's at the bottom who want something for nothing.
You think competition is primitive? You think without competition society will become a fairy tale of total equality for everyone? Take a history lesson and look into Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, or just go here.
There is no healthy world outside competition, or the need to rise to the top. All regimes that have disallowed for this human necessity to stratify hierarchically have lead to the most deaths under one name. I think we can call it quits at 100 million dead, don't you?
It's interesting to me how people think only competition pushes people to work hard and that the only alternative to competition is doing nothing and being handed everything. Can passion not ignite a drive in us to help others and pursue skill?
The problem with those failed societies wasn't the system but the corrupted elite who abused the system and the people they "governed." I really think competition is going to be seen as a thing of the past when people realize we can achieve much greater heights when operating out of places of disciplined compassionate oriented practices over dog-eat-dog, stress-inducing bullshit. I'm not talking about a hand-out fairy tale haha I'm talking about a world where people can actually have some integrity for their own well-being and the well being of society before they go ahead and try to cheat the system or the "other" guys.
We're moving away from separateness, and it is going to be a time I think when people start valuing traits the promote understanding over primitive behavior. I think competition is more primitive than compassion, especially when we introduce elements of deception. Incentivization doesn't really bring happiness - it's like the oldest cliche of the business man who sold his soul for material wealth and then wished he spent more time with his family on his death bed kinda thing.
How ridiculous is it to say that people who espouse equality are only doing so because they can't hang with the elite at the top? What a bogus thing to say. Maybe more and more people are realizing life doesn't have to be a jungle anymore. But hey, I know I'm not going to find much of a compassionate stream of thought in a misogynist community like this one nor are we going to get sympathy from the rich elite who poison people with food and pharmaceutical drugs for a living. "Fake till you make it" is the moto of this bullshit era of humanity. No one wants to really face themselves, so they'd rather just play the game because it's easier to just go along with stuff than it is to have even an ounce of integrity in today's world. But having wisdom and integrity is always more rewarding in the end. Unfortunately, I don't think competition is overall healthy and necessary, but we live in a culture obsessed with competition and petty, mindless living.
You have good points but no one here will listen because the manner your presenting them. If you open up with an attack people are going to become defensive and hostile. Not just the "Savage redpillers". What I think a lot of people fail to realize both inside and outside this subreddit is that TRP is not about getting pussy or having the biggest muscles to be numero uno. It's about opening your eyes to the truth of the world which we are sheltered from for so long do to the comfort of society. Some one who really thinks for themselves like this subreddit teaches will begin to realize that not everything they read here is the truth. I believe there is truth in every view point (some a lot more than others). It takes a truly open mind to be able to hear both sides and decide what you believe is the truth. Read the sidebar there is a lot of shit you'll find is true if you take a look at the big picture. I do agree however this place is mainly ego driven which is a hard thing to let go.
Went off an a bit of a tangent, but what I'm trying to say is if you want to be taken seriously don't come in with accusations. Always try to see the others view before you draw swords.
I've dabbled in reading on and off for probably close to year or two just out of curiosity. I've gotten to a point where I'm tired and saddened by what I see in this subreddit. People spreading one-sided lies that ultimately promote suffering through overly dichotomous viewpoints. I really doubt any gentleness on my part would make people eventually more receptive to the idea that maybe using tactics against people isn't ultimately the best solution for humanity or themselves. The value of this subreddit I have seen is that it exposes the more sinister side of biological and evolutionary programming in women but it doesn't do so with men. There's definitely a value to understanding why and how people manipulate, but I definitely don't agree with the ego-driven, misogynistic mentalities to manipulate others. We all have hurdles to jump when it comes to our own biology, but it doesn't mean we have to be slaves to it or assume someone is a slave just because of their appearance.
This sub is about how to get laid a lot in our fucked up society. I think anyone who has been having red pill success for longer than a few years realizes that all this shit is pointless and our competitive materialistic society is bullshit. The true way to happiness is having close relationships / unconditional love for others and our current society does not reward that at all
agreed. I know though I had to go through many years of pointless addictions to understand the real root of my problem was inside of me and how the brokenness of different environments exacerbated my suffering. I think unconditional love is its own joy and happiness way beyond anything a fleeting moment of numbness can touch.
Sigh - that excuse could be made about literally every style of government ever made, and have some sort of truth to it. And it is the same, old, tired excuse by every leftist and communist apologist ever. There is no one who makes that style of government work. But lets just look at the history of it:
Alright Stalin, lets give power back to the workers -- oh shit, 20 million dead? Okay, well here's Mao, lets give him a shot -- 65 million and TWO famines? Dang, he's even worse! Okay, Ho Chi Minh, why don't you show us what you got? Only 1 million killed? That's pretty good! Not bad, not bad. Hey, lets see if Pol Pot can do better -- oh shoot, 2 million killed. Okay, okay -- North Korea what ya got there -- oh tied for 2 million with Pol Pot. Nice.
Latin American Deaths -- 150,000
Africa -- 1.5 Million+
Communism was the leading ideological killer from 1900 - 2000.
ALL OF THAT ASIDE
Compassion is not the ultimate end goal. Compassion is great, if you're deemed the in-group or if you're a friend. But the dark side of compassion is the lack of compassion for one's perceived enemies. And here we have the movement on the SJW front where anyone who is not considered an ally is considered subhuman. And then the subhuman definition is then aligned with specific traits: notably, white cis-gender males. Compassion is not a catch-all, and rampant compassion manifests as disgust and deep seated hatred for the out-group, which only allows for even a deeper divide between the disagreeable parties. Do you think the soviets had compassion when they ordered the liquidation of the Kulaks?
And as for passion, what drives your passion? Honestly, ask yourself what drives you passionately -- outside of any and all social movements. Just a skill that you focus on and hone, and to what end? Why do you drive yourself to be passionate about it?
The fact that people like you exist makes me deeply, deeply concerned. As if history has taught us nothing of these types of false-god societies. As if the better way is so clearly apparent, when the reality is the opposite. And how does this all tie into women? Women want the top dog. They get bored when they see you slipping. That's a reality, an evolutionary reality. Because they're not interested in getting impregnated by some loser who can't support her and the child. Women are always looking for the most fit male, because that turns them on -- and not because of some ideological favoritism. And when I say "fit", I mean strictly the anthropological definition.
Speak for yourself bud. Not everyone has to have the same goals as you do, especially if the goals you do have could potentially negatively impact yourself and others. There's more to the story than left/right, beta/alpha, etc.
I'm not sure how you can say genuine compassion creates in groups and out groups when the very nature of compassion is understanding and oneness. Clearly using corrupt dictators to highlight the downfall of compassion is a very distorted, straw man. As if the USA hasn't killed millions...
Thanks but you don't really know me, so maybe spare your judgement about me being the SJW leftist communist that you're making me out to be. It is really really interesting to me that "people like you" don't seem to consider there is more to life than desire and being desired. Even your comment about passion insinuates a cynical, ulterior motive to "get" something, which I think is your own projection. I'm passionate about certain things because they help me and other people heal. The satisfaction I get is in touching peoples' hearts. If I don't have a bank account that corresponds to the joy I feel from genuinely giving back, that's ok to me. I'm amazed you would even bring communism into the picture to try to degrade the concept of kindness.
I think people who need to have enemies are people who are unconsciously at war with themselves. There is more to life than flesh and bones, and that is why we've had people in human history sacrifice themselves without asking for anything in return. They understand what sacrifice means and they are connected to a deeper essence that "people like you" seem to deeply fear. How has creating enemies worked for human history? Should we keep treading the path of tribal, carnal stupidity? I think the human plight for greatness is leading us to destruction, and I think if we could honor ourselves and our world as it is, where it is, and start there, we could learn how to love ourselves a little more and realize there is more to life than just a little "me" at the center of my own fleshy existence. The problem is in teaching people how to open their hearts and see how things really are.
"People like you" create a left in order to be right. "People like you" create an enemy in order to create friends. "People like you" create a self in order to create an other. "People like you" create a fiction in order to create your reality. It's the very concept of "People like you" that prevent us from ever seeing eye to eye because you're too busy creating an ideological debate where there isn't one. There is more to life and reality than oversimplified duality, and I think the red pill is full of a bunch of anger dudes who got hurt by women and can't process how to heal their trauma in healthy ways. So instead of embracing pain and suffering, TRP promotes an army of manipulative weasels trying to numb their pain and insecurity. TRP says don't seek validation, but subconsciously it is pretty apparent how much insecure validation-seeking behavior goes on in this forum. "People like you" need losers to turn yourselves into winners.
“But having wisdom and integrity is always more rewarding in the end.” I like the effort you’re putting in to get your viewpoint across, but I respectfully disagree with this statement. There seems to be an underlying adherence to the just world fallacy in this statement. There are lots of people who cut corners in life who come out on top and stay there. Think about it, what “force” is there that prevents something like this from happening, especially given the fact that society in America is so heavily based on competition? Many U.S. presidents and statesman have done lots of nasty stuff and gotten away with it due to inheriting money, power, good looks, or a combination thereof (Eisenhower, McCain).
I’m not saying you need to cheat your way through life, but just be prepared to meet many who have cheated one way or another. Whether you value integrity too much to think about cutting any corners is your choice.
I know this wasn’t the main point about your comment, but I felt compelled to reply to it because it relates to the rest of what you said
But are any of these corner cutters truly happy or at peace with themselves? I think there's a karmic current behind all things. People don't see it because they don't look for it or care to look - everyone's too busy faking it to make it.
Think what you want, but nature would never design a karmatic current for the sake of making things fair. You could say that God/Allah designs it, but given the mere existence of things like intergenerational poverty, malnourishment, and never-ending war that many have to deal with everyday, I’m gonna wager that almost all of God’s karmatic current is applied in the afterlife - if at all.
How you sound bro?
Why tf are you finna change if you already accepted yourself? What?!
Its not compassion for yourself its common fucking sense. If you are a fat useless loser, lose weight and learn some skills.
If the side effect of that is getting pussy, so be it. Like why would any man be tight that he's getting more than before? Bruh...
Competition does not breed honest or compassion or any of those other beta ass traits you mentioned. Like is not a nice happy loving and caring place.
Its a cruel fucking world out there, survival of the fucking fittest. Its not primitive you dumbass, its evolution.
Guess what, we wouldn't need to be "primitive alpha bros" if thats not what women liked, and what men respected.
See how that works?
NEWS FLASH: You are a fucking idiot.
Primitive - Relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.
I guess for what people lack in intelligence they can make up with physical strength. Until the robots come. You might be able to swindle a poor women into your delusional frame of existence, but you sure as hell won't get respect from anyone smart enough to see through you. I'm not sure if I should even both continuing this conversation with you. I don't think you'll be able to understand the idea that someone who is a "fat loser" might have to start by accepting their food addiction and low self-esteem before they try to bury their daddy issues in the gym like you have.
Primitive - [prim-i-tiv] (adj) simple; unsophisticated
Stop trying to seem smart when you are actually fucking retarded.
I don't know why your dumb-ass assumes that I lack intelligence just because I'm physically fit and not out of fucking shape. As if such a dichotomy actually exists in real life.
I don't swindle women, they see what they like, and they hop on my dick lmfao. I get respect from many people, and if someone doesn't respect me, I disregard them. They aren't important to me, by definition.
I fully understand the idea that a fat loser has to come to terms with his mental health. But he can do that in conjunction with shedding the excess gluttony, by going to the fucking gym.
I hate when loser idiots starts hamstering their intelligence up to protect their egos. I'm physically superior to you so therefore I must be dumber. Like my nigga I'm far more intellectually advanced than you might hope to be. Get like me.
Ummm... Physical fitness has nothing to do with intelligence. I'm the retard though?
That probably explains why you can't face yourself and need to surround yourself with like-minded people who feed your ego.
This is what a straw-man, hamstering intelligence looks like. A lot of the abuse from your past hasn't been integrated or healed, so you're over-compensating through physical means to avoid facing those deeper shadows within.
How is it a straw man if its literally the argument you were making?
Do you even know what a straw man is?
You funny for that, I just realized that I'm dealing with a troll.
+1 bro for effective trolling
You realise that intelligence is what makes an alpha male, Right? You have to be stupid or fucked up upstairs to think that you can go fat beta and still pull. An alpha male is the guy who wins at pretty much everything he does, meaning he's meta-conpetent. Guess what the best predictor for this meta-conpetence is? IQ.
I've just read your last sentence and realised I shouldn't have even bothered to have replied, but it's there so I'll throw it up anyway.
Sir, are you American? In my experience a lot of U.S. citizens don't understand what irony is. One of them even wrote a song about it and listed a bunch of not-ironic examples.
Insulting the entire TRP community might be why your comment has zero upvotes 13 hours later.
Sadly, I think that there might be a cogent argument for 'the wisdom of being able to accept ourselves as we are' but you have not made that argument. Many people will read that like ThrowFader did and assume that 'accepting myself' = 'I don't need to do anything' which is false.
AAALT? And that's your basis for saying I'm not understanding irony because of where I live. Game over. TRP is a bunch of racist misogynist morons incapable of understanding anything outside of their own frame of reference. To me it is irony when someone mocks self-acceptance while totally missing its value and invalidating it and being at war with themselves all in the name of improvement. It is irony to me that the very desire to improve becomes a hurdle for being at peace and happy. Maybe you guys should try to stop taking pills? Maybe you just can't see the irony because you don't understand the irony, not because of where I live? Oh no not the down votes! You understand at least part of the point I was making, so I'm not sure why people are saying I should have worded it differently. TRP is antithetical to happiness.
I was about to tell you to go fuck yourself lmao. Good one.
I was about to say...
Yeah, that mentality is just going to get you burned.
I wasn't fucking good enough a year ago when I found this sub. I don't even know if I am good enough now - all I know is you gotta work your ass off and stay disciplined because life is exactly what you make of it, and you are what you do every day.
As I was reading this, I kept flicking my eyes up to who posted it and saw the MOD flare. Then I got to the end and thought... thank fuck.
It’s sad many will upvote and move on and think to themselves this is the mindset they should have...
Oh fuck... feel like we are going backwards sometimes
Good post but a key aspect of inner game is realizing that you are in fact good enough which is what I thought you were going with. Of course inner game is something you should conquer after you've been lifting and building confidence. It takes work to learn to be good enough.
Relevant? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFh5FzXIeBg
Lmao I was wondering 'what is this faggot shit, has this sub finally gone down the drain'
Damn you got me OP. I walked in here from being away for a while and was like "What the fuck is this shit?" 600+ upvotes. That last line was just in the nick of time. Always gotta remember value=work.
Is this glo just trolling on one of his other reddit accounts?
Whoa, when did this place become so blue pill. There isn't someone out there for everyone, this thinking is actually quite dangerous. When you wake up, and realize that your on a sort of unfair primal planet that happens to have technology and society on it, your sex life will make much more sense. When you realize that you there is nobody out there for you, just waiting around, you'll be relieved. When you realize that you must take what you want, and probably settle for less than your expectations (when you really realize what the world is and who you are and how you fit into it), you'll be much more productive romantically.
(Ok I just read the bottom of your post, good job sir.)
Those words feel so good. Its easy. No pressure....."sigh".... Anyway back to the treadmill.
Seriously. Since I was young I hated the feel good bullshit.
I think it makes us feel good about where we are, when there's nothing to feel good about. Sets us to just be conformist.
I have no problem with decent motivating stuff, but hate the simple "feel good" shit.
This post is dumb, failure is literally not an option. This isn't complaining, cause I won't fail. Really just a reminder. As a man you have to win, good thing you're given the tools at birth. So go fucking do it, you're no one's prize until you make yourself a prize. (Except God, but he isn't a human)
It just dawned on me - needing someone to tell me that I don't have to prove anything to anyone means that that's probably exactly what I need. I'm just really insecure and not very attractive to women. I'm just going to have to live with that. Oh well - just have to wait for my sex robot to climb its way out of that uncanny valley! lol
My variation on this is something like "You're good enough, but you can be better." Not sure complacency ever accomplishes anything?
Self improvement + sidebar dude
In defense of fact, women do have different tastes and preferences. But it's only in the weightings, and in a single direction.
I.e. tall vs rich, not tall vs short.
This is true with men too. Visit any online community and look at a thread where men post pictures of women they think look good. Guarantee you you'll find "she's so hot" "nah she's plain" debates, face vs body debates. T vs A polls. Etc.
And this isn't just nitpicking. It's important, for instance, that short men, or ugly men, know there is variety in weightings, on top of what the valued traits are, so they can adjust their expectations and strategy.
Damn! You kept my hopes up until i read the comments. LOL!
Finally, and please, address the whole "society and people suck so just be a hermit" crap that goes on around here.
I see pride! I see power! I see a bad-ass mother who don't take no crap off of nobody! ~ Yul Brenner