Read a post early that got me thinking. Guy wrote an angry rant saying how all women are whores.
My first thought. If all women are whores for you. That must be a good thing right? So why the anger?
...oh because they are not YOUR whores. If they were there would be no issue.
Most of you who have internalized the sidebar understand that it’s just our turn. They can never be our whores. So the only reason that can upset you is because of the ego.
But there’s more to this. The problem isn’t them being whores. Because in reality. They are not all whores (at least not as the post read.) They are just AWALT.
The problem is YOU. You’re calling her a whore because she left you to go fuck someone else. That’s not the issue though. She did it for a reason and the reasons are usually one or more of the 3.
- Your value/status sucks.
- Your frame sucks. 3 Your Attitude/life sucks.
Value
If you are a top tier male most women are not going to do anything to fuck up and potentially lose you. When I date women they tip toe when making a questionable decision. They make sure before they do something it’s not going to piss me off. Why? Because most guys fucking suck. Honestly. It’s laughable how little the competition is. They’re all out of shape. They haven’t heard of the word game besides talking about halo and world of war craft. Frame doesn’t even make sense to them. They dress like shit , Orbiting is a hobby, and needy as fuck, my god these dudes are so fucking needy (I hear women constantly complain about it). So as long as you form your life around the principles in the sidebar (that you see fitting for your mission) you’re way ahead of the game.
If these women are doing things to piss you off so easily it’s a good indication your value or status is shitty and you have work to do. Because I’m telling you. If you are in decent shape. Have a purpose in life. Maximize your attraction. And know game. MOST women have never experienced a guy like you. They usually don’t want to fuck that up especially if they have been in past relationships that were shit. That doesn’t mean they never will but again if you’re a man of value you will have no issue creating a boundary or stopping that shit dead in its tracks.
They are never going to be the ones giving YOU an ultimatum. If your given an ultimatum. She’s subtly telling you. Your value is shit. Take it as a blessing and lesson learned. Say goodbye and get back to the drawing boards. (Aka working on yourself.)
Frame
Your frame sucks. You care too much. You’re overly invested. She knows. You know it. We know it. Everyone knows it. If you were to take full responsibility for everything in your life. You’d never have the nerve to call her a whore out of frustration because you realize she’s just a women being a woman and you’re the reason this behavior took place.
Now I know someone’s going to say even the best of the best get cheated on sometimes. And yes it does happen but usually they are missing something. Or did something for it to happen. In the rare occasion she cheats on a high value man who has all his shit together. they aren’t wasting a fucking second crying, moaning, or ridiculing the women for it. They are already on to the next one.
All women are like that. They all have women instinct. They can and may cheat. We are aware of it but we don’t need to live in paranoia because of it. If you have your shit together like I said above it’s unlikely she’s going to jump on the next better dick and fuck things up with you. Especially if she knows you’ll leave Or you have created firm boundaries.
Attitude/life
If you’re going around calling women whores. It’s a good indication your attitude sucks. You’re like the girl who whines about her ex to the new dude she’s dating. The guy she’s cheating on you with or “whoring” herself with is usually fun as fuck. Carefree. Living life by his own rules. Showing her a time she’s never had before.
I have alpha widowed almost every girl I have been with (I know this sounds concede . But I’d like to give some personal examples). This is because I am a fun mother fucker. I always try to live that way. I don’t like rules. I used to get into a lot of trouble. I was wild. I’ve matured over the years to keep myself out of trouble but I’m still wild at heart.
I take the women I meet to shoot guns they will never get to touch again in their lives. I show up randomly at their house at 2 am to fuck their brains out. I call them tell them get ready we’re going to have some fun. I take them to abandon places to explore then fuck them in them. I fuck them in their cars. In parking lots. On roofs. In playgrounds. Hang cuff Them while fucking them. Where ever/however I can that no other guy would ever think of doing.
I do shit that makes them nervous as fuck. All the while I stay calm and laugh. Sneak into places you shouldn’t be. Sneak into movies. Sneak into their rents house. Fuck her in the bathroom at the grocery store. The dressing room at the mall. You name it I’ve tried it.
Now think about that. If you’re a guy doing all this shit. HOW in the fuck is she ever going to replace your crazy ass. She can try. But like I said if she’s been with some shitty guys she’s going to be blown the fuck away. Not even chad can get her to cheat. And if she does. I mean honestly at this point you won’t care. You’ll have an abundance mentality thats untouchable.
The key is to always be having fun with a dgaf attitude towards anything that isn’t helping you get to where you want to be. Get out of your comfort zone. Experience new shit and be happy you’re able too. Make your life as interesting as possible and you won’t have time to waste worrying about people who bring negativity into your life.
Life’s too short to call women whores. Life’s too short to even care. You’re Attitude should be. Fun. Free. Fuck it!
TL:DR women aren’t whores. Unless you’re the high value fun guy. Otherwise Women are just women. It’s YOU that sucks. Not her. Fix yourself.
Holy shit dude you nailed it. There is a difference in understanding a womans nature & her flaws & than there is just being butthurt & shitting on all of them because of your shortcomings.
Female traits are flaws if they don't work. Put female traits into the context of evolution and the biological drive to secure her DNA. Are they flaws?
Put those characteristics into the modern context and possible personal life goals we as individuals might strive towards. Are they flaws?
When you take traits like loyalty, rational thought, emotional stability or discipline and ascribe a certain value to them what is that based on? How is disney ascribing value to nice guys different from you ascribing value to loyal girls?
A happy man gets a cat and smiles when that cat does what cats do. An angry man buys a cat and gets upset when that cat isn't as obedient as a dog.
Great fucking analogy. Understanding and accepting reality is better than getting mad at unrealistic expectations.
Well then girls don't get to complain when a man wants to bang and then leaves her in the dust then huh?
Why do you care what girls complain about?
You realize you can make an argument to point out inconsistencies or corollaries without actually endorsing said argument, right.
Go ahead. Logic girls harder. Works every time.
I had higher hopes for Reddit. Seems like it's not that much of a step up from YouTube.
I don't think it's in men's nature to not want a relationship. There are animals that go around spreading as much seed as possible to as many partners as possible, but humans are not one of them. Humans are social creatures and crave relationships and community.
so in your opinion at what point in time did humans transform from seed spreading monkeys to these non-animal beings?
If you think humans are like all other animals then you're genuinely an idiot. One of the biggest and most significant differences between humans and other mammals is the development of our bodies and brains. Take any other mammal in the world and compare the amount of time it takes for them to reach physical and mental maturity to humans. Off the top of my head all I can think of that's remotely comparable is elephants, but that's just physically.
It's pretty fucking obvious that it's evolutionarily advantageous to have static protectors around a developing child. This is also why women tend to desire work in communities or social settings and why men are so fearlessly protective of their wives and their own children.
People that push this whole "monogamy isn't natural" argument are so fucking obnoxious to me, stop with this shit.
This might be better than the main post.
That last line is Marcus Aurelius 101
Thats the hardest part to show a man. Showing him the full spectrum of female behaviour is easy, because looking at women and critique is easy.
When you show how most of this is your fucking own self fufilling prophecy, thats when you get the rage. Because narcissism doesn't self-aware, it only gets mad when you deviate from his life script. The one where he is special, she is a cunt, and the world is out to get you, so no failure is ever your fault.
It's one of the big reasons EC's often test other users for strong ego. They are still blue, they just pretend they aren't, and they aren't going to learn anything by being here, may as well load them into box cars and ship them out to make room
showing is easy. internalizing it is different. how many times do you hear people in serious relationships being like "oh yeah but ____ isnt like that". even on this sub people will say it
awalt
They aren't the ones reading the posts.
Besides, it's not that they don't know, it's that they cannot believe they can be tricked into it themselves. It's just an ego defense, they have to learn by it happening to them.
Doesn't change things. after a while you realize women aren't that shitty, we've just refused to do our part, and hold them to task, or detach from dead weight.
I think it's also that she's not presented the AWALT behavior, yet...
She could very likely be content with you. You could be passing her shit tests and not be realizing it. She could have low self esteem and filled with dread. You're the highest smv she will ever aquire in her mind. So she's not really AWALT at all.
Until, you stop passing shit tests, some guy with a higher smv comes along, etc... But by then, you have yourself convinced that she's different, so you get lazy and don't want to believe it.
It's the equivalent of shitty low value women #metoo'ing screaming about the patriarchy and saying all men are shit. They do these things for exactly the same reasons, they need to work on themselves but would rather blame the other gender for their shortcomings and not treating them the way they want.
The real reason why men say all women are whores is that the limbic brain aka the mammalian brain is programmed to function via archetypes.
That's why certain motifs are ever present and cross cultural because we have them hardwired. Whenever people get emotional aka when people operate primarily via limbic brain they think in archetypes.
So what were dealing with is emotional men regergitating the Whore of Babylon Archetype. That's basically MGTOW in a nutshell.
Archetypes serve an important function, because they allow emotional people to work together with limited shitty communication. Everyone all ready knows the story and can act together because it was hardwired via archetypes.
Finally the dumber a person is the more he has to rely on. Archetypes to communicate. For more information binge watch Jordan Peterson.
But yea I agree with you 💯
The inverse:
"Men are pigs."
"I hate assholes."
"Why can't I find a nice guy?"
Women do it too. All they offer is sex to these guys who are leagues above them in SMV, yet they whine because they can't secure their committment.
Those are ego defenses.
The alternative is accepting one is not suitable for top tier men. Thats humlility
Is that a word women even know? It is certainly not a word men can teach them, except by cumulative pumps and dumps.
Don't care, I don't learn a about it to teach them
Yeah but you'd have to date down for her to feel it and trp is about fucking up.
If you wed that's why they say to marry down.
Exactly. All about the smv that the individual brings
Another aspect is that when people express themselves in an emotional state, they fall back on linguistic archetypes.
Those archetypes are rough meme-like shortcuts to say 'you're a bad / low value person' and might not even apply or make sense when analyzed literally.
You know what I mean if you've ever been called a cyka blyat cocksucking pidaras jew.
When betas call women 'whores', they're really saying 'I'm angry she didn't want / no longer wants sex with me'.
It takes one look at the MTGOW subreddit to back that point up. Sad, really.
That's exactly what I get called minus fat
And then there is the transcendent version of "all women are whores." its that moment that you really that for the vast majority of men across the vast majority of time, sex is/was transactional. Women are quite literally whores. Even if Lil' Missy Pinkslit is riding your cock just for the notch, the next day she could be using the same slime slot to lock down a provider (though obviously she won't be enjoying it as much).
You are clearly very aware of this, but most people don't understand the importance of absolute shamelessness in speech. I have gotten away with calling all women whores in public settings entirely because I removed all sense of anger and conflict from the statement. I state my position, usually with a funny anecdote takes onto it, and as a matter of observable fact, if taken in the way I have framed it. Most people just accept it, a lot of them laugh with me, and we all get long with our days without butthurt. (Though, this can be an excellent twat filter, as women that persist in being butthurt about it are clearly women I want out of my life anyway.)
I bang on about my unicorn around here, and to be fair, to go from two fucked up marriages to a smokeshow half his age is enough to get a guy to try to figure out what happened and end up Red Pilled.
When I got with her, there was nothing transactional about it. Indeed, there was a suicide in her family and I became very close with everyone due to my strong support for her and ability to take withering criticism.
Once that storm passed, she was taking a high end math class and was heavily pursued by a cryptocurrency millionaire who was slumming it in that class. He was looking for a play thing, and she wasn't going to leave a good situation just to get pumped 'n dumped.
That set the tone for the rest of the time we were together, 2 more years....we agreed to stick with it until she got into grad school. It was a good deal for her, esp. since she didn't get into grad school the first year....she took a gap year with me, I was working remotely, and it was a fucking blast for both of us....but it was still a deal. Once we set the deadline for our relationship, at least the sexual part of it, frequency of sex went up.
Was she a whore for all that? In a way, yeah. I had exclusive access to sweet young pussy, and put no requirements on her at all (outside of exclusivity)...again, it was a good deal for both of us, she didn't have to work and she cooked and cleaned and studied (top 5% scores on the GRE) and indulged crazy hobbies and in the end she got into a great school so it's not like there's any regret for either of us.
Sure there is. You traded tingles for a vaginal cock massage. However, if you are going copay for sex, this is the way to do it. As mentioned before, for the vast majority of men for the vast majority of time, this is not a payment option.
I'm hashing this out on another thread, and you're quite right. She straight up used me to enter the mainstream. Fair deal, no regrets, she remains one of my best friends. When we met she was an awkward and sheltered 19 y/o. When she moved on she was 24 and very confident....she's thriving now, and while I don't take direct credit for it, there's no doubt in my mind that she derived immense value from her relationship with me.
That said, again, I was late 30's and early 40's fucking a woman 20 years younger...men pay for that. So, let's say a conservative $200 per, for 4.5 years, twice a week....that's about $93,000 worth of fine ass tail. I'd say I spent, perhaps, an extra $5,000 over my own expenses over the whole time (more food, household stuff, etc). I'm calling this one a win.
And to make it painfully clear for those readers with an ego investment blinding them...sex is always transactional. The only difference is the currency, be it cash, status by association, training, resources, pleasure, impregnation, etc.
If she isn't getting something from it, she probably isn't interested. Sometimes one is in the right place and time and she is bored and just needs an itch scratched and one happens to be the best option that did not fuck it up. Alleviating her boredom with dick is still a form of payment.
I agree, and probably didn't speak correctly at first.
Understanding the transactional nature of sex is important for crafting sexual strategies. I've always been in the Disney LTR mode, so I'm trying to adjust.
Of course it's not rocket surgery. This girl is straight up riding the CC and guys keep falling all over themselves for her, annoying her.
So to accept the transactional nature of sex is to look at what we have to put on the table. It's easy for me to see what I can offer under BP terms.....but thinking things through, I offer a pretty good time under RP terms.
I'm rambling a bit here but this has been helpful to me.
In other words “Briffault’s law”
Speaking of the whore of babylon, where the hell has Neo been lately? I think our globalist, alien, lizard overlords finally had to silence him.
something just went click* inside my head while reading your answer.
I love Jordan Peterson’s talks, but dislike his Messiah complex.
Jordan Peterson, Messiah Complex?? i dont think so
I think most women are whores. Even if they were MY whores, the amount of women worth ltr'ing is extremely small. If a chick has a notch count higher than 1/3 her age she's a whore in my book, even if she is sleeping with me.
As for the "female nature" aspect I will rewrite a reply I often make about this topic.
Yes there is a hypergamous, branch swinging female nature present in all women. There is also a conquering, dominating male nature present in all men. The difference is I, as a man, use my pre-frontal cortex to determine that invading my neighbor's property, planting my own flag, and then taking his wife and daughters as prize is not something that is acceptable or would even lead to any long term benefit in modern society.
I do all this whilst women wallow in their soup of hypothalamic desire, nary turning down even one. So why do we, especially in this sub, create for these women shields of "oh its just their nature" and "you're just beta if you dont love the fact that all women are disingenuous whores"? I dont think once in my life I have heard a man excused of wrong doing because "oh well, men will be men", yet in this sub out of all others "its just their nature" rings as a response I read 20x a day.
That's because sperm is cheap and eggs are scarce. If you think about it, every major red-pill adage we use here is simply a variation of the above phrase.
E.g. "Men are human doings whilst women are human beings". Same concept. Women need only to exist to be valuable to society whereas men need to actually make something of themselves to be noticed and rewarded for their efforts (w/ money, social status, female attention, etc.)
Hence, even here at TRP, men are held to a much higher standard than our Y-chromose-defficient counterparts. That, and as OP says, we still want to fuck them. At least the attractive ones. Hence we just accept their nature and use it to our advantage.
Yes, we could sit here and bloviate about how the world would be a much better place if the Patriarchy were real and both genders were held up to higher standards of morality and decency. "Men! You are to become the leaders and builders of society! Women! Your job is to be supportive and nurturing and to assist the men in accomplishing their goal. No, we don't care if Chad the Fratboy is more exciting than Nigel the Engineer. Nigel's intellect is of more use to us than Chad's muscles. So, keep those legs closed, young lady!"
But none of this is gonna happen. At least not in our life time. So, as a young man, you need to chose which path to take. I'm not even talking BP vs RP here. I'm talking about the different branches of the RedPill. You can become an MRA and fight to have the laws changed. You can become an aloof and confident alpha who sees women for what they are and enjoys the short list of things they have to offer (sex and companionship, basically) on his own time and terms. Or you can go MGTOW and not bother with them at all.
That's all
if you expand the idea a bit more, it basically says that women inherently have more social status/value than men, so they usually end up at the top of the social ladder where everything else is equal. The catch is that a society where men are closer to the top is more valuable (more successful & productive) than one that follows the natural order, so theres some forces driving men up relative to women, and theres others driving them down, neither of which ever really win out
Yeah too bad that list is getting shorter by the day between landwhales becoming the new "normal" and any slut being able to destroy you with a baseless accusation that nonetheless everyone will believe
Nah, but your position of "lol don't bother to change anything just be happy licking the scraps off the ground while they're still there" isn't constructive and that's partly the reason why we're in this shitty situation because a lot of men in the past decided to do just that and be "alpha" while women just walked all over their rights, and that's an extremely beta way of life tbh
We might as well not blame women because it isn't as if blaming them solves anything.
Women will women, and men will be men (or not cuz feminism lol).
Difference there is no safety net for men. We need to understand this, we aren't equal to women. We have to carve our own path, and take responsibility for ourselves.
Dude that's exactly why we're in this situation, because 40 years ago a bunch of betas started to lower the bar for women every year to the point that now they aren't even adults who can consent to anything.
What about women taking responsibility for themselves like they used to? seriously...
You expect to much of women.
You wouldn't expect a child to take that much responsibility for themselves would you?
Unless you meet mature women, assume childishness. Most are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves or their actions.
Its not that what women do is ok, its that society has tried literally everything over thousands of years to keep the hoes in line, and nothing actually works.
If you have a plan for society that actually works, sure it would be great if it could be implemented, but every social setup has a weakness that women will exploit until it collapses.
If you enforce a hard social stance against sex outside of marriage the hoes get bored and cheat. Next generation sees them locked in loveless marriages, says fuck that shit, lets have free love. This inevitably leads to harems, one guy gets a lot of pussy & the rest get nothing. The betas eventually figure it out (ie this sub), get restless and have no reason to be productive, so society is forced to go back to model A when it cant survive on the output of only 20% of the men, no matter how above average they are.
Right, do me a favor look at online newspaper archives from just 50 years ago and tell me if you see any landwhales naked and screaming in the middle of the street.
No, but the women still cucked their men, and started a movement to undermine that society at the first opportunity
Again with the assumptions, and keep in mind at that time it was way more common for the men to cuck the women because birth control was way less effective and unless she's the virgin mary the guy would notice that he was banging his secretary but for some reason his wife is the one with a bun in the oven.
Beside slut-shaming actually worked and women cucking men was considered a million times worse than the opposite, and most of that shaming came from other women.
Now we live in permanent opposite-day.
Its not an assumption. Read a few WW2 memoirs, have you never wondered where the "Dear John" trope came from?
Now you're overreaching, you're comparing a war where men were gone for years with contemporary culture that glorifies sluting around being a hambeast and cucking, but demonizes the same behavior if done by men.
Seriously, consider we arrived to that model from a more ancient world where hypergamy and polygamy always ended up in disaster. I'm not saying it was perfect, but you can't deny it was better than what we have now.
Because it's just the other side of the coin. While one side claims the goddess side the other holds tight to the demoness side. They are just the same thing dressed differently. Both take the onus of responsibility off woman and take that upon themselves. You can see this in all the mantras that are repeated religiously. Both are still trying to obtain female validation just through different means. I like how a lot of the replys here use ego as an excuse when they are just as ego controlled.
Oh boy. You gotta love this sub for always shitting on men and accepting female behavior just cause AWALT.
Just lift bro. Just hold frame bro. Just man up bro. It's always your fault, never her fault.
Fucking lol. All this man shaming is why males have such high suicide rates.
The AWALT of today is very different to the AWALT of the 1950s, so clearly it's not just because "AWALT" but rather a culmination of our sexual liberated culture and feminism.
Never once does the OP consider that maybe the dude was calling women whores because he wanted marriage rather than casual sex. Perhaps the guy wanted a partner to raise kids with.
Believe it or not, some men want companionship more than just sex, and once they realize that good girls don't exist they get angry and call all women whores.
It's simply the anger phase of the red pill.
Fucking this. Blaming everything on men. Is like 90% of theses posts are by feminists.
Exactly. All women being whores is GREAT for the Chads of the world who want casual sex and can easily get women.
It's not great for the guys who aren't in the top 20%, even though they have a lot going for them. As well as the guys who want a woman who doesn't slut it up and might actually want to have a family with.
After seeing this thread im going to leave this sub reddit. These men cant accept female nature so are taking all their anger out on other men. AWALT peace
It's because the man leads the relationship. The girl is a reflection of the dude she's fucking
Okay. That’s fine. Find that girl then. And if it isn’t the one you’re with move on. That doesn’t make her a whore.
Again that makes YOU a shitty judge of character and horrible at screening women before you date them
Your mindset sounds, in regards to women, like a Chinese factory rather than Leonardo DiCaprio in regards to art. Personally I'd rather kill one mammoth, drive one Ferrari, climb one Everest than kill a hundred flies, drive a thousand rusty lemons, stand atop a million molehills. If I crash the Ferrari; who cares, I don't blame the Ferrari.
If a woman sleeps with you on the first night then she is by virtue, a whore. A whore is easy. They may not be a whore subjectively to mgtow but she is a whore objectively by the universal standard and they are a whore subjectively to you. Can you inverse the unicorn principle, are you white knighting whores?
Frame is for use on women as objectivity was born in the mind of man. To me you are trying to draw others into your subjective reality in which you are the king, switching between talking to the crowd and talking in the mirror? I build up my subjective castle in private. But spouting it on RP . . . smells of validation whoring and humble bragging. I get it big licks you've got a monster castle. People want to know how you built it, not stay in it.
Two questions; do you follow Epicurean philosophy rather than stoicism as is widely recommended on this sub and have you replaced heroin with an ego (the sweet hit of stroking your freshly inflated ego is the best drug, I can attest).
P.s. I love a dirty whore just as much as I love a McDonald's. Just because you take a knife and fork doesn't elevate it.
Just because she sleeps with you on the first night doesn't mean she sleeps with everybody on the first night
Very true. Would you agree that if a race horse refuses to let you ride it, it is still a racehorse?
lol dude you have some great analogies.
You're getting downvoted but you're right, not all women are LTR worthy, and the more you're with women the more you can see the red flags before dating them
The first 2 points were well crafted. The attitude/life part though, was "shooting exotic guns and public sex."
Yeah wtf. It didn't sound fun to me in the slightest. How about trips to Hawaii and sailing or something.
It was a placeholder for anything you enjoy.
(He just happens to like guns and public sex)
men who slut shame are simply jealouse that these women aren't being sluts with them.
Show me one universally seen attractive guy with decent social skills who slut shame. ONE
See, if you look at the competition we're no better than the bimbos we constantly blame about. We complain about bimbos sleeping around a lot and then again want to sleep with as many girls we can.
This subreddit is not about being morally superior about we're great souls on this earth compared to bimbos. It's just about getting more value for what we give out.
I not sure what PBS show it was, but it was mentioned that among apes, multiple partners favored BOTH sexes. For males, it was spreading their seed. For females, is was about keeping all the men guessing as to who the father was of the children, hence she got attention/protection from multiple males. I'd guess for apes (as well as humans) infidelity directly comes from the difference in societal/social status between women and men.
Mating rituals vary a lot among primates but you are probably talking about chimps which btw are also sociopaths
That's funny. Never heard that one before. I don't recall what kind of ape it was, it could have been chimps.
It is different for men and women in this regard. There are a couple hypotheses why.
Generally over human history what has been difficult is what has been considered virtuous. For most men being successful sexually is hard, hence you being lauded for sleeping with x number of women. Now for women sex is stupid easy to get, so having sex with a bunch of men isn't considered special. Quite the opposite, since sex is so easy for a woman to get the act of turning it down is the hard one. This is why we see the ideal man depicted as one who conquers women, and the ideal woman is envisioned as "pure".
As for evolutionary reasons, in my opinion they are as follows. All of these reasons are in a general sense and probably stem from when we first climbed down out of the trees.
Men sexually successful are more likely to be a successful provider. This makes women and even men see them as the ideal.
Now for women who are promiscuous there is no way for a man to know if the kid he is providing for is actually his, which is like the biggest nono possible in terms of evolution. Because of this men, generally speaking, see a chaste woman as the ideal.
There have also been studies recently that state when women have sex with multiple partners the vaginal walls absorb and store DNA from every man she has been with. This is then in turn used in the offspring, probably to help inject more variation into the gene pool. This isn't a bad thing, unless you're the male organism that wants his genes to succeed over all others. I think this is a subconscious factor in why men generally dont strive to reproduce with slutty women.
Gonna have to see some of these studies...
If that were true, we'd have seen evidence in pedigree analysis that widows who remarried and had children with their new husbands gave birth to children having the dead husband's genetics.
Im shit at formatting on reddit so please forgive. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4282758/
"As a first step towards disentangling whether the effect is borne by the sperm itself or by accessory-gland products (ACPs) in the seminal fluid, we mated females initially to a male in high or low condition and then remated the female to a new male in high or low condition two weeks later. Interestingly, offspring size and viability were determined by the condition of the first male, with no effect of the condition of the second mate. Genetic tests confirm this result holds even when the second male is the biological father of the offspring. These findings suggest the paternal effect is mediated by ACPs, and provide a compelling case for reassessing the possibility of telegony as a valid phenomenon." Crean A.J., Kopps A.M., Bonduriansky R., University of New South Wales
The study clearly states that females were mated once, then two weeks later mated again with a different male. The offspring's body size was determined more by the first mate then the second.
The females of the insects they used store sperm in a sac in their bodies.
Sure, they did their tests two weeks later to "minimize viable sperm" from the first mating, but this is hardly proper scientific method. The sperm was still there, who's to say there wasn't still viable sperm in said sacs?
Also, to determine the paternity, they threw out a LOT of the results. Hell, they even said they threw out 7 instances where the children didn't even match with their mothers, much less worrying about the father. This to me suggests that the method used to determine parentage is EXTREMELY inaccurate, and raises doubts about ANY of their findings. Basically, if you cant even genetically match children to their mothers 100% of the time, how can you possibly believe any of your findings are rigorously provable?
And this is still a study on insects and not humans or even mammals.
TL;DR: This entire study is a load of hogwash and was essentially a waste of time and money if your goal was to theorize about ANYTHING relating to human genetics.
This is absolute nonsense. Even a basic understanding of biology or sexual reproduction is enough to see through this idiocy. Please never comment or post again.
The theory of telegony has been proven in fruit flies. Just about every assumption we make about human genetics has come from gene studies on fruit flies. So unless you want to throw out the book about genetics because the info came from fruit flies, the theory isn't nonsense.
Surely you jest.
A fruit fly is not a human. Hell, they're not even mammals, they're insects, with a VASTLY different evolutionary path than humans. Any theory of procreation based on fruit flies, I'm going to be EXTREMELY skeptical of when you attempt to apply it to humans.
Perhaps telegony is a thing in humans. But until you show me studies done ON HUMANS, I'm going to remain unconvinced.
Ill quote Steven Pinker, a man who has forgotten more about genetics and science than we could ever hope to know
In a response criticizing Sarah Palin for claiming fruit fly research is a waste of money "...Sarah Palin ridiculed the idea that the federal government would sponsor research on fruit flies. She followed by saying, “I kid you not,” as if this was the most absurd thing she’d ever heard — ignoring the fact that almost everything we know about genetics originally came from research on fruit flies, such as the existence and behavior of chromosomes..."
The building blocks of everything we know stems from research on other animals. From genetics and fruit flies to behavior and monkeys, hell even the effects drugs will have on our brain largely comes from rats; if results from animals don't apply to humans then we've based everything we do on false data.
First studies are done on animals. If a cure for cancer was developed tomorrow they wouldn't do the first test on a human, in fact if the rats/rabbits show extreme side effects the drug wont even make it to human trials. We are not as special a species as you seem to think.
Men don't avoid to reproduce with 'slutty' women. How women have alpha fucks and beta bucks, men want to reproduce with as many 'slutty' women as possible but want to provide for only 'pure' women.
TRP helps to achieve men's objective. Feminist media/magazines/subreddits/mainstream media etc are increasingly helping to achieve women's objectives. Nothing right or nothing wrong.
There is a reason that throughout history the children great men produced from their wives (who were virgins) and their harem have been held in different esteem. Even if this is just coincidence its rooted in subconscious understanding.
Men endeavor to fuck slutty women, not reproduce with them. Back in tribal times chances are any given day you may be out hunting/farming/working and the women are taking care of children. Now if you were the fool who reproduced with the village slut, how do you know she is taking care of your kid while you're gone and not fucking ug-ug in the next cave over? Sure reproducing with a chaste women is far from a guarantee, but at least the chances are a little better.
Archetypes and the subconscious take the forms they do for a reason.
And yet your argument is nothing but that
Theres this guy in my social circle, lets call him Chad, who gets commitment-free sex more than any other man I know. He literally broke down in tears because one of his hoes wouldnt date him after she banged him for fun. Now hes getting a gf, decent looking but nothing special. If you pay close attention, every man does this, no matter how much pussy gets thrown at him.
I can show you a couple but they all have huge ego issues.
But You’re right the only ones who slut shame or even waste time worrying about it are the ones who are jealous. Bc if she was the one sending them nudes or being a slut for them they would be praising her.
You're right OP, but it's certainly important to keep this in mind:
Men want sex, women want commitment.
Men who give their commitment away too easily aren't viewed a valuable guys since it indicates a lack of abundance + low value etc. and so they get friend-zoned
The corollary to that is women who give their sex away too easily aren't viewed as valuable so they get fucked and chucked.
Women will take a guys commitment/attention because why not? But she won't give him any sex.
Men will take a women's sex because why not? But she won't be getting my commitment.
Keep in mind I'm speaking in generalities, and it's certainly possible to bang a women on the first night and still wind up LTRing her if you so wish.
That summarizes the LTR game pretty well.
Bro help me on this what really makes me sad about myself and why I hate on them is from an experience with my ex im masculine good looking and all and she fucking worshiped me she would wipe my ass if I wanted too but when we had sex and she said something about my dick being small you know and no wonder why now I'm suffering from social anxiety thinking all women are whores that just want big dicks you were talking about being crazy and wild and that part of me is dead due to insecurities it's really unfair i never could make her orgasm i felt like a pussy you seem very wise i know this is personal but I would appreciate your point of view on this one
I’m sure you dick isn’t that small dude. You never cared before until she said something and I’m sure you were banging plenty of women who didn’t complain. My buddy was known in college for having a small dick. He got laid all the time. You don’t need a 10 inch cock to get women off. Read sex god method and do your best with what you got man. Fuck what she said. Women will say anything to get under your skin for whatever reason.
this really means alot to me thank you for replying <3
I've also seen decent, hot guys slut shame because they belong to a dumb religion/cult. To be fair, one of them I was also fucking ruthlessly behind closed doors. So he had some pretty aggressive double standards when it came to his faith. Women were sluts for getting fingered before super-marriage, meanwhile he was running a food drive for the needy that consisted of donations of cum into his mouth (I was not the only one fucking him, not even close).
Cults are fuckin' weird.
Leave Christianity out of this.
Until he gets cucked, put on alimony and destroyed when someone more alpha comes along.
I am an attractive guy with decent social skills and I slut shame.
I am not jealous that these sluts are being sluts without me. Such a naive assumption. It is not them leaving me that is upsetting, it is how easy these women leave their families and destroy the future for their children that upsets me.
I slut shame because women being sluts has never been acceptable behavior and it still isn't now. Go ahead and continue insulting and shaming those of us who despise whores - you sound just like a woman.
Acceptable or not the role of women is not to appease a man's ego. Their role is to ensure the best genetic lottery for their offspring. Men getting butthurt and women risking ostracization and death is irrelevant. The species doesn't give a fuck about the individual's suffering, and our DNA and programming obeys the will of the species. Why do you think so many people lead mediocre lives as cogs in a machine?
Look at the bigger picture and everything falls into place.
Btw no attractive guy says, "I'm an attractive guy," lmao. It's like if Bill Gates were to say, "I'm a rich guy."
If someone were to say "nobody with money would do X" then yes Bill Gates would begin his response with "well I am rich and I do X."
Context, my friend.
Unfortunately for your point I am not talking about ego.
There is a difference between cheating and destroying families and having ton of ONS or "plating" guys.
If guys are allowed to do it, so should women (especially since they run out of options very quick once they reach the wall since their value is 100% based on their looks unlike men). Let them have fun
More typical female talk.
"If guys can do it, so should women"
How about they pay half our taxes? Or make up half of garbage collectors? Or make up half our military deaths? They sure as fuck CAN do all those things just like they CAN keep their legs closed too.
I am sure the female hamster cares very deeply about their inability to peer bond.
What does your reply has to do with this post or my comment? You are mixing stuff up. This is about women sleeping around. You jealous bruh?
And when I started talking about women being unable to peer bond, perhaps you thought I was referring to their breakfast and not their slutty lifestyle.
Why do you care if women can peer bond or no? (Btw, the AWALT thinking is a thing I do not agree with)
You sound like a nice bloke
Look at the good looking guys with social skills.....
Well no kidding a good looking guy with social skills gets laid. What a shocker.
Nothing an unattractive male can do to become a universally attractive guy though.The only think they might achieve is some social skills and maybe a fit body.
Reminds me of something I heard once, "A whore is a girl that fucks everyone at the party. A bitch is a girl that fucks everyone but you."
Ive literally never seen that type of whore. They dont exist
Not all women are whores. All humans are whores. If you and I were in the situation of being able to fuck whenever you want, we would.
Plenty of women are whores. In the end, all women are designed to be fucked without much attention paid to their "personality", so they are essentially fuck meat for men.
The main thing driving all this frustration is that you can't simply walk up to a woman and fuck her in the Western world. That's your biological nature, but the political environment won't allow you. That's the source of the tension. There is nothing you need to fix inside you. You just need to understand the game has been fixed against your true male nature.
Having understood this, the next step would be to create your own tribe / society and raise a group of women to be very slutty. They could go on to become doctors, lawyers, whatever, but they would fuck just about any man that they come across. That's the kind of society you actually want to live in, not this society where women get to decide if you're going home with a dry dick for the billionth time.
I agreed until you limited it to this:
While this is all true you left out:
All that has to do with her though. We don’t have control of that
I think that applies for pretty much why everybody's getting so pissed off about everything these days.
''Most of you who have internalized the sidebar understand that it’s just our turn.''
And then you contradict yourself with...
''If you are a top tier male most women are not going to do anything to fuck up and potentially lose you.''
Just lol...thats some flawed logic right there...and btw women will cheat on you no matter what...you can be jesus christ himself and thats not going to stop her...
Even the Virgin Mary was fucking around with The King Alpha behind Joseph’s back.
I don’t. I say it’s just our turn. For some the turn may last forever. For others not so much.
Then I say MOST Women aren’t going to do anything to fuck up with a high tier guy. And they won’t.
Not all women will cheat. That’s a fact. I spend more time over at MRP anymore they seem to understand this stuff a lot better. They understand not all women will cheat. Mostly all of them have faithful wives. Otherwise they wouldn’t have wives. They know there is a possibly of it happening. They are aware of it.
But they understand they all don’t cheat and how to Minimize it from happening. I think it’s a maturity thing though.
This. They're all capable of cheating and it COULD happen, but a lot of guys here tend to forget that the inverse is also possible and it could also NOT happen. However, you nailed it on the head labeling it a maturity thing.
NAWALT doesn't mean they will all cheat. It means All Women are LIKE that and WILL cheat given the right situation. It doesn't mean all women shit test constantly but ALL women shit test. They are all "like" that.
Right but just because they are all like that doesn’t mean it WILL happen. It might. But to go and say all women are whores who jump on the next better dick that walks past is a bit of a stretch
this is incomplete.
yes, there are plenty of guys slut shaming because they can't get laid.
but sluts are exactly why marriage 2.0 and TRP exist... that social acceptance of women being sluts is what killed marriage 1.0. if you eventually want kids, you're going to have to solve the problem of how you make that happen without a slut. when most women are sluts, and it's difficult to tell sluts from non-sluts, that's a hard problem to solve.
they were still sluts behind closed doors in the 50s. Nothing actually changes
social acceptance of sluthood changed. now women feel free to sleep around.
And it matters because...?
Women cucked their husbands in the past and had affairs too. They were just better at hiding it because of the consequences.
because there were consequences.... now there are not just no consequences... if they divorce, she gets most of his money.
I don't care how alpha a guy is, when his woman is alone with other men for any extended period of time (summer abroad, vacation with girls, him going off to war or school or a long business trip) there will be strange dick in her pussy.
Don't bother telling me much you can deadlift or earn or whatver. I'm talking about your woman too.
"All Women are whores. Except for my mother... Then again she is a Woman." - Napoleon Bonaparte
LOL. All women literally are whores and the most honest ones (and most intelligent) are the prostitutes, since they at least are honest about it and they are smart and take the money.
It's the most basic of basic principles and truths that a woman will only serve you for as long as there is something she can leech from you. The moment she feels it's fading, is the moment she will kick you in the nutsack and comment on how pathetic you are for screaming in pain.
Women are the opportunistic sex.
I have more respect for those because it's their job. While the others do it for fun.
This is only true if your only selling point is that you have something for her to leech off of. The typical provider fits this role.
You can either be an investment or an experience. People collect on their investments and tend to weigh their options before picking one.
People throw caution to the wind for a good experience.
You are thinking much too narrow. Women will feed on attention from a strong man, but will shit on and actually even be disgusted by that of a weak man. She will feed from the attention she gets from other people if she is with an alpha male while she will absolutely try to avoid to be associated in a romantic way with a chump.
Your mindset does not matter to her. If the things she sees in you are gone, so is she. You can try not to be a "provider" all day long, she doesn't give a shit.
Your second sentence is iam14andthisisdeep material.
Is it? Why do you shop around for a good price on a TV or car, yet barely think twice about how much you spend on a vacation? It's an experience, not an investment. This concept is so profound that it changes everything once you internalize it. People will go along for the ride if you can offer them a fun or epic experience. Create FOMO in people, offer them experiences.
With people it's the same thing. If you are trying to be her boyfriend, that's quite an investment from her. If you're trying to have a ONS with no strings attached, it's an experience.
You're not offering any solutions, you're just presenting about your skewed version of reality in which all women just want to use you and manipulate you. It's a toxic worldview and it doesn't reap any benefits.
Most of forging a strong social bond comes down to giver frames instead of taker frames, making the interaction/relationship positive sum instead of zero-sum or negative sum, abundance mentality, unreactiveness, a healthy narcissism, and ego destruction.
It's the things she can benefit from you that makes up the experience. Try giving her a good social experience as an introverted low status dude or a nice time without any money.
Good social experience = Her feeding off your high status
Nice time and having fun = Her feeding off your money and time investment
If you don't have anything to offer, she'll never be with you. And when you can no longer offer what attracted her in the first place, she'll leave. It's the simple truth.
Hahaha no, that's so wrong. If a girl is into you she will literally come over to watch paint dry. Best date is the "oops I left my wallet at home, let's go get it" date.
You don't need money or status to be a fun person.
Everything you can use to have fun costs money and/or requires the right social connections. So, what're you saying?
That’s why when you’re a high value. She will always have something to leech off of you
That is essentially diametral to the point you are making.
It doesn’t matter you’re high value for you. Not her
I’m no disagreeing that all women are whores in a “I want to be rape fucked sense”
I’m disagreeing that all women will cheat.
I also am making a point that OP was calling them whores out of anger of them not being with him.
He said the last how ever many girls he dated gave him an ultimatum. And then called them whores becAuse of it. What high value guy has ever been given an ultimatum that wasn’t laughed at?
Yes, all women are whores.
They whore themselves for money and status from good looking men who are in the top, its in their nature, knowing things like this is what separates reality from fiction, and the reason this subreddit exists.
I really feel like you are sugar coating things here pretending they are all about looking for "fun" but its not that simple.
"All women are whores. They fuck everyone, except me of course."
-MGTOW
"All women are bitches. They fuck everyone, except me of course." -Incels
A very versatile statement.
Ego. It is all ego. When you call woman a whore, you are buttburt. Period.
If she left,there are reasons for it (as OP said) or she simply wants something new. Ever got tired of fucking same women for months / years? Well women feel same way.
Besides, what is exactly whore? Women wield their sexual power, but men are the same, difference is we have less sexual power. Given choices men also cheat, branch swing, discard women for younger women, fuck secretary on the side and so on.
Be less egoistic and enjoy life.
I take them to abandon places to explore then fuck them in them.
But what if I don’t care about having money or friends, that seems like the only thing women care about.
Social status is very important to them as well as clout. At least the women I’m interested in, most of them care about money. Do I just give up on it since that’s all they care about and I’m not interested in those things?
At 29, making money might not be so hard at making friends is pretty difficult. It’s weird making friends after college. Also, playing the social media game against women is rigged in their favor. Why should I play their game if they get 1000 likes for posting a Half naked picture in front of their closet when a guy does that it’s creepy.
I don’t get what you’re saying. You shouldn’t be doing anything for women.
Im saying older women only care about guys with a lot of money and friends, and i dont have either so do i just continue saying forget women?
That’s ridiculous I’ve fucked tons of older women as a college student. I has zero money and I hit on her without anyone around she knew nothing about my circle of friends. Just what she saw in my personality
Your Delusional Grandeur is Showing u/TrenGod37 ...
Your Grand Formatting Is Showing.
What is AWALT and what is hang cuff?
AWALT - all women are like that.
hang cuff - my idea is handcuffing her and hooking those cuffs on something highish, not too high for gods' sake. Or maybe it was a typo.
The thing is a good man doesn't want a whore. Hes pissed bc he knows theres no bitch in the world worthy of a Man. That pisses a good man off bc in all reality men dont hate women, we love them but we surely wont take them in with their whore illnature. Righteously pissed.
red pill -'fake till you make it' works because of reflexivity theory. 'the situations that men define as true, become true for them.' It commonly refers to the capacity of an agent to recognize forces of socialization and alter their place in the social structure. A low level of reflexivity would result in an individual shaped largely by their environment (or "society"). A high level of social reflexivity would be defined by an individual shaping their own norms, tastes, politics, desires, and so on. Focus on yourselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexivity_(social_theory)
"I take women to shoot guns" LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sounds like dan belzerin whatever
You admit yourself that your LTR nags you and does give you push back. This isn't surprising because you're not a top tier male. Quite the opposite. You're a recovering drug addict. Thus, your whole philosophy of "be crazy!" isn't really valid because it is being conceived when you were a drug addict and your judgment was affected. It wasn't a normal or sustainable way to live your life as an alpha. As you sobered up, you appear to have gotten a LTR, and you're burning yourself out with "the grind" (whatever that is). So I'm not sure advice is very sound in this thread.
I agree, op kind of sounds like a dumbass catering for likes
Because you’re a recovering drug addict you don’t qualify as a top tier male? Idk what brought you to that conclusion.
I still live crazy as I did on drugs. Just don’t need the drugs to do it. I acquired real confidence where the drug use to act as that. I completely changed my shit life into something. Look at it how you may but I did something most people can’t do. Talk to any heroin addict. And even the ones in recovery. They are just getting by/dead/in jail or rehab. Recovering from heroin is hardest thing I will EVER have to do in my life. No doubt.
Did you just post recently complaining about how you have a nagging live-in GF and you're getting burnt out with no time for anything? Where is the crazy? You're schedule is work, work-out, chores, sleep. That's like the opposite of crazy, isn't it?
Nagging for my time yes. That’s not a bad problem.
And not only that yes I have a lot on my plate right now and during the week it gets exhausting you have realize I turned my life around not too long ago and I am killing it and at a spot in my life I never imagined possible a couple years ago when I was slumped over half dead in a bathroom. No one is perfect dude. I am learning just like all of us here are doesn’t mean I can’t help others with the knowledge I do have. And it also doesn’t mean I don’t have ANY free time to be crazy. I will always have that. It’s balance and an on good journey for me.
Also i feel you on the fun shit. I took a girl out to a backyard show, got drunk, danced & hit up the pitt. Came to my apartment, dropped acid, sneaked into a elementary school where we played on the swings & playground 3am fried outta our minds. Found one of those teacher chairs with the wheels at the bottom & launched eachother around like rides. Than fucked on the playground high as fun. Came back to the apartment, where we fucked some more. & had her dying laughing when i was buttnaked making my dick clap flapping it up & down from my stomach to ass. Yelling "SANTANA" playing carlos santana. It was stupid but after that she loved me. Doing something different pays.
Absolutely not all women are whores. Some women are though
There's like 2 good kernels of truth here and the rest is just oozing with ego. I only have two eyes to roll, and my eye muscles get tired. Please.
Status, that inner non neediness, dressing well, realizing girls are humans and can feel it too, all that are pretty standard dating knowledge.
Books like the manual, models, which focus on being real and vulnerable, all explore these points, and they wouldn't even be uttered by egomaniacs who get drink off of ritual PUA style advice. So tone down the ego and realize the irony of the good points you're making.
Anyone ranting about women being whores to a predominately male subreddit will carry that stench of low value with them whenever they encounter women. It’s a sad cycle.
You know, a lot of people find this subreddit stupid, misogynistic, well I don't need to tell you guys this, but this post is the heart of trp. Self improvement. Our problems are our fault. At times we are mean to women, but we are meaner to ourselves. No, it's not fair we have to do work, but the world spins regardless. Internalize that everyday you must improve.
I genuinely look forward to your posts
Or she is a whore in the sense that she trades sex for resources and have no loyalty. AWALT. Seems like the problem is the person in question held them up to the level expected from a man and was pissed off to discover that women aren't men.
So I agree with the first part that most men sucks, like most of them are needy assholes!
But if you are afraid to call a whore a whore, you are one of those white knights in black knight suit!
Uummm I think I was the one angry about all women are whores lol
She could also seek others because she thinks you don't love her/care about her. It's not all about your value and awesomeness lol. Sometimes you're too valuable and they can't handle not talking to you/being around you/etc. And it becomes too much to handle so they look for validation elsewhere.
Women aren't all whores. They all have female nature that makes them who they are but they're not all fucking every guy they can for money. Some are selective.
Still believe in AWALT cause they are mostly all indoctrinated in US culture.
Why is this post flared as
off-topic? It fits inred pill theoryorrant/venting, doesn't it?I've been thinking about the nature of love, sexuality and how our brains process it for quite some time now. ⁿ Overall, I think the "game" between woman and man is disgusting. There is no honest "I want to be with person A simply because he is person A". Every love and sexual decision someone makes is defined by their conscious or subconscious needs. This way, if we define true love as a type of love that has no interests, selfless and honest love is all but an impossibility with our human nature.
This made me realize how primitive and instinctive we still are. We might be rational, we might think and conceptualize before making decisions, but no one can deny that our subconscious has a huge impact in our decision making when it comes to sexuality. Overall, this led me to the conclusion that I absolutely despise human nature and our inability to separate rationality and irrationality when it comes to sex and love.
All of these thoughts flooding my mind and I have come to the conclusion that the one true thing that I've ever wanted in my life - too feel trully connected and understood - will never be possible because I can't remove these thoughts that are so rooted into my mind. Even though I hate this human nature, even I am not free of its chains. I feel disgusted by myself when I think, feel and sometimes act based on this instinctive and primitive way of "the game".
I broke up with my first and only girlfriend because I just couldn't get all of these thoughts out of my head. I don't even know if what I felt can be called love or just sexual and reproductive mutual interest. Honestly, I don't think love even exists, at least for me, nowadays. Just my thoughts. Thanks for reading
The popular notion of romantic love is deeply flawed.
Even so, I believe that it is possible for most men and women to have mutually satisfying and beneficial relationships. So long as the man can accept the truth about human sexuality.
And you are right that humans, both men and women, are deeply irrational. It's not "wrong" exactly, it's just how it is.
That's what the red pill is about, accepting reality rather than believing what you are told.
I think your post is only partially correct.
The reality is that, by definition, all women are whores. There’s no pussyfooting around it; it’s what they are. On the other hand you are right that saying it a bunch, complaining, and not taking advantage of the sexual marketplace is very beta. We can all sit around calling women whores all day long and not be wrong but if you aren’t out there making them drool on your junk, then it’s just pointless beta banter.
It depends. Once you fixed all three points it's perfectly normal to not want to date a literal whore. I've read allot of whining from guys complaining women are fucking other guys but them. My problem is that women are fucking/have fucked lots of other guys and me, but want to date me. And I generally want to date a girl, I just don't want to date that type of girl.
Women crave alpha males, it completes their life. In the same spirit men crave virginal untouched pussy, it eases our soul. Because a virginal girl is the closest thing to being cuck proof. And ensuring that the kid that pops out of her is 10000000000000% yours. And the behavior that she exhibits is about 90% based on you and not riddled with emotional bagage that makes her act out erratically towards you. Men subconsciously know this, we are wired to look for it. Just like women are looking for that animal alpha attitude despite modern society not requiring it, men are hardwired to look for the pure girl. It's one of the reasons we aim for young girls. Youth implies innocence. Although our society is looking to destroy all that.
What kind of shit security theater do you have in your city?
Yeah they will. For example, it does not matter how top-tier her mate is, the married women is always easier to seduce than the single one.
The majority are but most of these guys aren’t considered top tier. They may have money. Or social proof but they lack a lot of other key areas
No, the problem is they're all whores. How can the problem be that she left me to fuck someone else when I was never with her? All women are whores, especially the one's I've never dated, and especially the ones I never had any interest in dating.
Disagree with this sentiment. Non-virgin women have an 8% divorce rate, a woman who has had one partner has a 42% divorce rate. A woman who has had just one partner is the same as a woman who has had 1000 partners by most relevant statistics, most women are whores. And I don't care if they fuck me or not, a stable and healthy family>random fucks.
yea when people ask why i don't have a gf now i have a new answer "because my value and status are low and my attitude sucks"
Thanks man! congrats on the sex
This isn’t us the hate i needed to read! I’ve been dealing with a situation where after starting to digest rp I was looking back at a time we were on break ( my doing stupid) and she had opportunity to fuck another’s guy was I. his room and everything. I never really cared at time but looking back something came over me and I was sick to my stomach.
At first I was upset she did it Then it’s was she’s lied and continued to lie Then the real reason came up I finally relized it was me I was unhappy with.I pushed her away and I was a shitty person atthe time.
So what’s im getting at thanks for thepost it really hit home and related
SO WHY ARE YOU ON THIS WEBSITE IF YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS SHOULDN'T YOU BE ON A BOOK TOUR OR SOMETHING !? FAGGOT CUCK
I agree that all women are in fact whores.
They are nothing but competition now.
And they All without exception, use their vagina as leverage. Which makes them whores.
Damn! Just got KO'ed with the concrete brick of reality! Solid post!
This the best post I've read here in a while. Way too much hate against women on this sub, it all falls back on you. Thanks
Wow man, a personal thank you from me for writing this post. I can get caught up in BS that doesn't matter with my woman because of ego investment. I've saved this article to read again as a reminder to not give a fuck. You nailed it right on the head, thank you.
I was similar to you. I fucked anywhere and set firm boundaries. It was pre-TRP but subconsciously my gut told me to do certain things I've read here. But, eventually in a LTR and sickness my frame broke. Outside of that I noticed I lacked one thing. A car. So, she used that against me.
I took full responsibility. I see there was some cracks in my life. I had everything except a few things. Now that the LTR is over I just looked at myself objectively. Realized I could've did a lot better. But, I'm already on the next ones and improving. So in a way I'm glad I failed so bad. Because it taught me years worth with reflection and reading.
I could've just called my ex a hoe. And turned on my PS4. But, I got a gym membership instead.
Bullseye. Definitely added this one to my saves.
Love this post. I see a lot of men here with anger and hatred towards women. This is a toxic attitude, both for those men displaying it, and for this sub.
I love women. As straight men, we should ALL love women. Study them. Know them. Figure out how they work. That's the whole point of RP (that, and getting in touch with and growing your own value and masculinity). But if you're angry at women for these things they don't even actively choose or realize they're doing, well you're either butthurt or in denial.
Love and appreciation come from understanding. Studying the true nature of women will give you a deeper understanding of them, and will allow you to cultivate better relationships with them, allowing you love and understand them more fully.
I was just going to say... I love women. Especially those with cupcakes.
You know man, you're totally right. Since my last LTR ended in cheating, I spent the better part of the following year fixing myself for my shortcomings. Got way more fit, lost weight, gained some muscle, and also worked on myself emotionally so I'm just more happier and centred. Then after that, started really doing things that are just fun and rewarding - I play music so I'm going out there, seeing shows, getting to know people, playing my own shows, and expanding my social circles in several different areas between multiple different crowds of people. And you know what? It shows - all the women I've been attracting lately are all these more emotionally stable girls that are looking for people who have more fun in their life.
Work on yourself first, can't stress it enough!
This whole sub is a circle jerk isn't it?
Another thing about this: the difference in mentality is that of a weak victim or a strong responsible man. This is pretty black and white.
Mindset 1: She is dumping you? Well, what is it about my game that is flawed? This leads to action and improvement
Mindset 2: She dumped you? That whore is fucking another men. All women are whores and don't deserve respect. This leads to resentment, self pity and disengagement from the world. you become weaker.
The psychology on this, as far as I have read and heard experts about it, is as established as it can get. And it is a matter of choice, not a matter of circumstance.
Fantastic post, OP.
Truth. A part of why the red pill is so bitter for some guys is the realization they are not good enough as-is or were playing to fail following the blue pill programming, usually both. It's a real kick in the balls, it can bring such anger.
A good realistic attitude IMHO is the most important. With a good attitude you're frame is not easily assailed by petty things and easily protected against serious things that actually need your attention. With a good attitude you can network with any person and maximize your career working with top companies that will test your meddle in an interview worse than any woman can in a bar. With a good attitude BS rolls off your back like water off a duck. And lastly it helps you internalize life experience through a better lens and be happy and socially attractive/approachable. The Victim Olympics culture for instance chooses to internalize everything they experience though a negative lens as a victim so all their memories are bad ones. They have a pissy attitude that self amplifies itself over time. Egotistical people have the opposite problem usually.
Keep your eye on the prize and do not let others hold you back, not anyone. Marketing has conditioned the masses to live in scarcity mentality. Think about it this way guys: About 54% of the worlds population are women. Women have high demand indeed but men are the minority. Eliminate all the people who are unavailable or ineligible and you already have better odds than winning in Vegas. If you even have your shit loosely together you'll be in the top 50% then you are getting rare. Push your ass harder and get to the top 25% and you will succeed more than fail in most anything in life, including women. As OP mentioned the competition is pretty poor as society decays and it gets easier every day so keep moving while everyone sits on their ass and leave them behind. Read the story of the frog and the scorpion. Nature is not kind or fair and gives 0 fucks about feelings, they were made to protect you. Women and Men have conflicting and complimenting portions to their nature and is why we became the dominant species on Earth. What's that old saying? Hate the game not the player. Things are corrupted these days and the plummeting birthrate with increased disease mortality rate grow the farther we deviate from nature. Do not hate women simply for their nature. Most are oblivious to the forces at work in their own heads as they obey nature.
Adapt or perish, your choice.
Job well done, was just thinking about this the other day, but yes it is very self reflective of yourself.
They are whores for the right man.
It's the male hamster at work. Focussing on what's wrong with the other to avoid self confrontation. It's easier blaming others. You see that happening on al levels though. Only a small percentage of people have what you call an internal locus of control.
Best post I've seen on this sub in a really long time.
This is one of the rallying cries of the MGTOW losers that infect this sub.
MGTOW losers(all MGTOW are losers) don't hate women because they are whores, they hate women because they are whores for other men other than themselves.
If these MGTOW losers had women who were whores for them, they wouldn't be MGTOW.
Spectacular post. Fucking nailed it my man. The average guy is so fucking weak, it's true there's almost zero competition out there.
It's really not though, depending.
If Your attitude is "OMG SHE'S A WHORE AND SHE'S A WHORE AND SHE'S A WHORE," then yeah, Your attitude sucks.
If Your attitude is "I like whores," well then, no problem.
exactly dude
no ones slut shaming or angry at hoes but op..this dude wrote a post on pumping and dumping and awalt(no where did he slut shame or was angry at hoes)and OP then got mad since hes in a ltr and don’t want to realize this his unicorn is banging chads in ons
op then make a post saying that he’s shaming them/hates hoes to further rationalize why he himself is in a ltr
i don’t see how no one else sees this wtf
yes i agree that you shouldn’t slut shame ever lol, the only dudes who slut shame/hate hoes are the ones who aren’t pulling and i’ve been saying that for years. but this guy wasn’t slut shaming lmao.. he just pumped and dumped and then OP spinned it to say he slut shamed to push his ltr shit to make himself feel better about being in a ltr while she bangs chads in ons
it’s crazy funny because he’s actually the one in the anger phase
You got it man dagger to the heart
Pretty much nailed it for me. I don’t see the red pill as a means to nail as many chicks as possible. I’m in a ltr right now after banging tons of young girls between my last ex and this girl. I put up with zero and don’t hesitate to call her out in front of friends if she gives me a shit test in their presence. I’ve made it very clear that I will not put up with bullshit and that I’ll leave in a heartbeat and delete her from my phone and life if I don’t like how things are going. The other night she actually said, “I don’t even know how I got like this (meaning taking care of my kids and cleaning my house). I used to be a feminist.” I chuckled just a bit, thinking about life before the red pill.
Women are...by definition...whores.
What’s the context here? Is this some guy that can’t get laid or a guy that got cheated on?
I’m not even sure.
What I got from it was the last couple girls he dated gave him an ultimatum and then he posted about all women being whores
He sounds like a very angry individual. Thanks for the reply.
Good insight from a clear young gun
Excellent post. This further hammers in trp point that its all up to you - your life umis your reaponsibility. Create the life you want
I love this shit. It's like I waited my whole life to finally find articles worth reading and, of all the stuff out there, this is the material I find most interesting.
Mic drop.... Well said brother.
Solid post. Should be a sticky or side bar material.
great post man, i learnt a lot from it. thanks
Great post, bro. I think what a lot of anger phasers are not getting is that what OP is talking about is a reason why girl would want to stick with you instead of riding the cc. But a loss of those reasons is why they would bail.
It's essentially SMV. If it's high enough, women will be too afraid to risk losing it (dread helps) on a chance for something better, but will absolutely lose it for something guaranteed better.
Slut shaming is weak and beta and it's whining. Period. It means you're mad at women as opposed to understanding their motivations. Don't bitch about it and just learn to navigate it.
Wow dude you're so original. You fuck women, I'm sure no one has ever thought of doing that before. Having a penis must make you so unique among men. "Hey, I have an idea, let's fuck over there this time!" You're blowing my mind, man. These ladies must feel so privileged to be given the special treatment like this, something surely no other man could ever offer them, fucking them that is.
Calm down turbo it was just a random example. I wasn’t claiming to be the creator of the 2 am random smash. I was just giving examples. Most guys aren’t doing any type of spontaneous shit is what I’m saying
Judging by your name I think the key is more to be a roid freak with a "good" physique and then women will let you do anything to them, even behaving like a Syrian rapefugee.
This is a blue pill post, all women are whores, and men are too, however society and women pretend to be more solemn about sex, this is the conflict and disagreement.
He was cheated on
Or, she found someone she liked better, honestly, I think this ideal that everything is a man fault for a women leaving him is a form of indirect control, (If I did xyz than everything would of worked out)
None of these things have anything to do with women, as women do not exclusively date guys who dress well.
Honestly this might as well be your typical TwoX Post
As I said this is about you trying to control and create a absoutel, she can leave for any reason, let's not bring each other or yourself down for failed relationships , Honestly I have no desire to fuck in a public place if that makes me lame and a women leaves me for that, Best of luck to her
Here the meaning of "its your fault" is just so that you don't despise women for being whores. Own up that she left because of you (instead of thinking of reasons or making up stories about her it being her fault) and then just let it go. WHO GIVES A FUCK?
If you get down by some bantering, then you really need to work on your blue pilled ass.
No it's your fault means you're in control, you can't control women, therefore her actions aren't ever your fault(Within reason).
This isn't tough love but a form of phycopathy , it's popular because men love blaming themselves for the actions of others.
If my girl leaves me, best of luck to her, I don't despise her, nor will I improve myself or do things differently.
Any improvement I make on myself will be for myself alone.
But OP is just doing that, Putting yourself or men down doesn't make you more objective
Tha anger phase is a halfway house. A great place to use to get back on your feet, but a terrible place to live.
Ok so part of what you said has been on my mind a lot lately. I'm 20, go to college and live in NYC but live with incredibly religious/strict muslim parents. They don't let me out after 9 no matter what the occasion, and call me throughout the day asking my whereabouts and who i'm with what i'm doing etc . If I ever bring it up, my father, who keep in mind has actually drank and smoked and done a lot of shit before in his life, says "I've experienced this life more than you and I don't want you to fuck yourself over by doing stuff." He goes completely crazy if I'm out and claims he can never sleep as long as i'm outside and is always paranoid. I understand he cares but how do i make him understand that I'm 20, I need to live my life and experience life on my own. Also make him reconsider he actually did all the shit before that he tries to make damn sure I don't. Only reason I don't try ignore him specifically is cause the old mans a heart patient and my whole is always fighting regardless so he claims me and my brother to be his whole world.
The only way you can avoid strictly controlling parents is by not being dependent on strictly controlling parents. If you have your own place you can do as you will and even if they disapprove it doesn't really matter.
Same for anything else. Have business relationships as you will, want people as you will, but the instant you need anyone for any reason you have failed.
The reciprocal is when a woman calls a guy a jerk & asshole ... Guaranteed when she does, she has been pumped and dumped by the guy she is describing.
we are just women doing women things indeed
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. All women are cheap trash whores... but the red pill is a hard road and becoming a real man with high SMV is still this herculean task somehow? Women will fuck anything that moves? Yeah, go try and fuck a random 6/10 woman and see how it goes. That's why there are so many virgins and manchildren in the world right now.
One of TRP's main tennets: She's not yours, it's just your turn.
Can you guide me to sidebar of missions? Thank you!
Yes!! Once you realize that the red pill is breaking free from every societal conditioning you grew up, including women and dating, and that you control everything in your reality, and discover your mission then you're truly set free! That's what the red pill is. The women part of it is just a small factor.
if this makes you feel better about being in a LTR with this ONE girl giving your time, energy, and attention span to this ONE GIRL while she bangs chads in ONS then go ahead. just please get this toxic ltr shit out this sub lol
you’re so blind i won’t even bother trying to wake you up. it doesn’t matter how alpha you are man they all cheat cheating is like breathing air and i LOVE it that way too i never want it to change i love pussy
i would honestly say(and without exaggeration) that about 80% are currently cheating and about 99.999%(if not 100%) have at least cheated 1-3 times
and no this isn’t anger phase cause I LOVE sluts and i LOVE hoes
if you are in a ltr you are the beta giving your time, energy, and attention span to this ONE girl while she bangs chads in ons. it’s that simple
there’s only two reasons someone would ltr:
1.they don’t believe in awalt
2.they know she’s fuckin chads in ONS but continue to give there time, energy, and attention span anyway(either due to oneitus or low smv)
you fools in ltrs are getting played like fiddles, if i was a girl i would be playing y’all dumbasses too. i shouldn’t even have to say this on a “redpilled” sub
important part i call girls hoes but it’s cause they love it and i love hoes, no ones making a negative saying to it/shaming but you because you’re in a ltr and are blinded from the game and don’t want to realize your ltr is bein a hoe for chads in ons while you give your time, energy, and attention span to her like a retard lol
it’s funny because YOU are actually the one in the anger phase, otherwise you wouldn’t get mad when someone says awalt and then try put a negative spin to it saying that he’s shaming them/angry(when he wasn’t lol if i remember correctly the post just said he pumped and dumped..) to further rationalize your blindness and why you’re in a ltr while she’s bangin chads in ons.
You missed the whole point of this didn’t you?
no ones slut shaming or angry at hoes but you..this dude wrote a post on pumping and dumping and awalt(no where did he slut shaming or was angry at hoes)and you then got mad since you’re in a ltr and don’t want to realize your unicorn is banging chads in ons
you then make a post saying that he’s shaming them/hates hoes to further rationalize why you yourself is in a ltr
i don’t see how no one else sees this
yes i agree that you shouldn’t slut shame ever lol, the only dudes who slut shame/hate hoes are the ones who aren’t pulling and i’ve been saying that for years. but this guy wasn’t slut shaming lmao.. he just pumped and dumped and then you spinned it to say he slut shamed to push you’re ltr shit to make yourself feel better about being in a ltr while she bangs chads in ons
No where in my post is there any anger towards women. And The guy who wrote that post literally came here, Said it was him who did it (which he deleted the post) and was asking for advice. You taking your meds man?
reposted cause my comment got removed for linking the dude
no ones slut shaming or angry at hoes but you..this dude wrote a post on pumping and dumping and awalt(no where did he slut shame or was angry at hoes)and you then got mad since you’re in a ltr and don’t want to realize your unicorn is banging chads in ons you then make a post saying that he’s shaming them/hates hoes to further rationalize why you yourself is in a ltr
i don’t see how no one else sees this
yes i agree that you shouldn’t slut shame ever lol, the only dudes who slut shame/hate hoes are the ones who aren’t pulling and i’ve been saying that for years. BUT this guy wasn’t slut shaming lmao.. he just pumped and dumped and said awalt and then you spinned it to say he slut shamed to push you’re ltr shit to make yourself feel better about being in a ltr while she bangs chads in ons
you’re angry at AWALT aka hos otherwise you wouldn’t make this post lol. and that isn’t the guy who wrote that in the comments saying he’s got a small dick, the guy who wrote the post is user/ocelot_x
Just treat everyone like a whore you push out of your car as you take a turn a 45 miles an hour as your population paste is still full in their mouth. Life is easier that way and makes way more sense. That doesn't mean you treat all whores badly. You just understand people have a limited and slipping value at all times. Don't get caught up in the details, just get in there and fuck that whore's brains out for all their worth and when their worthless, it's cool to leave them broken and destroyed with your jizz leaking out of their holes as you walk away.
School is a whorehouse, you're there to pay and play. That piece of paper, you're diploma, is just a receipt for all your fucking. The harder you fuck, the better the outcome. You owe no one anything, because they're just whores. They either serve you or they don't. And if they don't, move on and find ones who do. Don't get caught up in the whores you're not fucking, it's a waste of time.
Who you are, your abilities, what you have, what you look like. That's your commerce for getting whores. So get as much as you can and fuck them whores.
One time I was fucking few girls at a time. One of them asked me to be in a relationship and I told her she should wait till she graduates to make that decision and to have fun in college. While this is good advice for everyone in college I wasn't going to tell her the real reason I didn't want a relationship because she was a piece of work. She was hot but God damn she was crazy.
She leaves for two weeks to Cali to see her family and a few days in calls me and asks how I'm doing. Tell her I'm having fun but then she asks if I had sex with anyone else. Now we aren't exclusive and she knows this so I told her " a few" which was true and she gets sad for a second but didn't act weird at all. A couple days later she calls me crying saying that she had sex with someone else in Cali. I laugh and ask how it was. She said it was alright but he didn't last very long.
Now she was crying because she felt bad about fucking someone else while I laughed and joked about how she must of been crying because the sex with some other dude must of been that bad. Did i feel like shit because she fucked someone else? Hell no! Don't get an std and have fun idgaf what my plates do in thier spare time. At this point she might of been a fwb because we raves and had a threesome with another girl (generally a very fun girl) but I'm not going to get jealous over a girl I will never ever date.
When I told her I didn't want to fuck her anymore But we can still be friends she freaked out and had a meltdown. One of my friends who pretends to be alpha swooped in and "made her feel better" and now they fuck. It's a funny situation
Alpha widowing - That's a first. She surely will remember you flr denying her sex.