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Don't bullshit yourself

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30 October 2017 01:45 PM UTC

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I see this fucking everywhere, and i used to be like this too: People who are so insecure that they are completely incapable of any sort of introspection and personal responsibility. When you see women write about how amazing they are, but they still can't find a husband, they are doing this. But men do it just as much, and its just as cringeworthy.

In the end, the only metric that matters is your actual results.

It doesn't matter if you think you're an alpha or amazing. If you're still not getting laid, then you're not. It doesn't matter if you think you're working hard, if you're not advancing or getting promotions etc, then you're not.

If you think you're training hard, but you're not getting stronger, then you're not training hard. And this i see every single day, because i spend a fuckton of time at the gym so i see people both come and go and i'd say at least 75% of the people who come in half-ass their workout, and the remaining 25% actually have the kind of body that you wish you had.

People often ask me how i have time to do everything i do and tell me they don't have any time themselves, but when i poke around and start asking what they do with their spare time they either have no answer or change the topic. They're literally not trying, they've just convinced themselves that they are, because reality is too hard for them to accept.

If you're a fattie trying to lose weight, but not getting anywhere, despite counting your calories, then you're counting wrong.

If you think you're special, but have absolutely fucking nothing to show for it, then you're not special.

It doesn't matter what you think you deserve. If you're not getting it, your only options are to either work harder or work smarter. It doesn't matter if some people got the good genetics, or the rich parents. That doesn't help you. Your climb doesn't get shorter because you point out that others were given a head start. That's what Tumblerinas do, and they're completely fucking worthless and miserable.

And do you want to know the best part? When you finally bite the insecurity bullet, stop bullshitting yourself and start to actually put in the effort, you won't need to be insecure anymore because you actually have something to show for it, while all these other people will keep pestering you about how you got where you are.

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Title Don't bullshit yourself
Upvotes 1117
Comments 182
Date 30 October 2017 01:45 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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1 upvotesnomyconcept2 years ago

If you're a fattie trying to lose weight, but not getting anywhere, despite counting your calories, then you're counting wrong

Amen. I've lost 185 lbs and fat people started hating me. All their shit like

  • "I am just too busy"
  • "I have a bad metabolism"
  • "It's genetic"

bounces right off of me. I have become a living example of what they can't do and they resent me for it. I've even heard rumors about me having a stomach operation or being anorexic... people are sick when it comes to rationalizing their own shortcomings.

87 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I love telling fatties who ask how I'm so lean the truth: I'm hungry sometimes and I wait til the next day to eat.

Smoke comes out of their ears

56 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

That's something worthy of a post all in itself: The disappointment you see in peoples eyes when they ask you how you did it, and you tell them "Hard work/Eat Less etc."

They want to hear about the magic fix that solved all your problems with minimal effort. You can literally see how their eyes go blank when they realize you're not going to tell them (Because it doesn't exist)

34 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Sometimes ill throw a bone and show folks the Apple test.

Feel hungry? Would you eat an apple? No? Then you don't need to eat, it's fake hunger or boredom

11 upvotesLiveAFTSOV2 years ago

Skinny guys need the fake hunger lol

2 upvotesabstractplebbit2 years ago

Weed is a god send for ectomorph type bodybuilders as long as you eat clean

3 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

It's a good rule, and as a corollary, if you actually are hungry but it's not meal time..just eat an apple. Even though they are high in fructose, they're mostly water and fiber so are quite filling for the amount of calories you consume.

Apples were once a staple of the "volumetrics" diet that advocated eating things with a low calorie to physical volume ratio, and while volumetrics has mostly been discredited (satiety varies independently of volume) in my experience it works fine.

Eating an apple isn't going to ruin your diet even if you're cutting, it's not tasty enough to cause you to gorge on it, and it is a quick hunger killer and energy booster.

Whenever I'm cutting hard and I get a craving or hunger that is so intense it actually distracts me from doing what else I'm doing, I just eat an apple and it solves the problem.

1 upvotesStiix722 years ago

Wouldn't you eventually want to eat an apple even when not hungry? You'd connect it to eating a meal in your mind and suddenly the apple isn't so... Fruity.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

To each his own and whatver works for you to create the deficit is right.

For me, I prefer to be hungry and eat until I am full. So full I may need to rest a bit. Then I dont eat again for many many hours

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6 upvotesPeggedByOwlette2 years ago

There is a secret, DNP and put a piece of tape over your mouth. You can drop 30 pounds in a couple weeks. But you will wish you were dead.

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1 upvotesbanjew2 years ago

It's incredible how adverse some people (specially overweight people) are to exercise. They only diet, and think that's enough. I say "Hey, I'm a doctor, I know what I'm talking about, it's diet PLUS exercise" "No, I'm ok, I wont exercise" and they remain fat. Incredible. The problem is not their bodies, its their mind.

3 upvotesPeggedByOwlette2 years ago

Tell them to Google DNP then check the obituaries in a month. Mad fun, never gets old.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

It is an easy fix. Just stop eating as fucking much. Easy as that. Don't even need to work out.

36 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

In a world full of "I can't do it, it's impossible!" The crab that pulls himself out of the bucket forces the others to reevaluate themselves and say "I could've, but I chose not to... Like a bitch."

23 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

In theory, yeah. In reality, they just make up more excuses. People are pathetic.

I've invited so many people to tag along with me after they asked me about my routine, my hobbies, my parties etc. At best they join once and then come up with a bunch of excuses. Mostly they are just "too busy."

"How do you get so many girls?" "I'm always going out to parties. Want to tag along?" "Nah, i'm smoking weed with my friends"

"How do you look so fit?" "I train a lot. Do you want to tag along this weekend?" "Nah, i gotta do something at home"

"How come you're always finished so early with your projects?" "I start very early. Should i let you know when i do?" "Nah, it's fine. I'll take care of it"

Every single time. I've basically stopped asking, and the few times i ask i never actually expect any of them to follow through.

Fortunately, it is a great source of motivation though. When i'm out there, pulling my weight, i think about how much further ahead i'm getting than all those who didn't even join.

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4 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

Or finding someone who has their shit together already and asks if you want to tag along. Fucking needle in a haystack.

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2 upvotesThrowawaysteve1234562 years ago

Haha, oh man. I love these comments. Less than 2% of obesity can be explained by legit medical problems; don't get me wrong, they exist, and if you have them, even with doing everything right you will still be fat. But I am so tired of some fat bitch who eats junk food everyday and never exercises, complaining about her metabolism.

78 upvotesapril_cutter2 years ago
  1. Sleeping with women isn't that hard. The more desperate you are for it though, the worse your results and harder it seems. Don't make it the end-all be-all of life. Once you actually get to the point of easy sex, it doesn't mean much. Just saying - once you actually get to that hill you'll want to conquer something else, so have a mission outside of 'women' for fuck's sake.

  2. As OP noted, "putting in the time" isn't enough. Yeah, use results to see if you're actually getting somewhere. Use that to refine your PROCESS to improvement. Are you getting laid more often than you were last year? If not, your improvement strategy is clearly not working. Like that Dad bod you see in the gym every year lifting the same weight. Some people think they just need to approach 1000 women and they'll get good. How's that? Are you experimenting with your look? Your approach? Your methodology? Are you taking stock of what's working, what's not, and why? Or are just getting drunk and mindlessly putting in the reps, doing the same shit over and over again expecting different results (what most people do?).

20 upvotesmarkdumte2 years ago

Just saying - once you actually get to that hill you'll want to conquer something else, so have a mission outside of 'women' for fuck's sake.

This is a funny one because its like telling a hungry person that has not eaten in days: "hey, don't worry about food, once you have some food, getting more food will be a lot easy, so don't worry about getting food and focus on your big mission".

You have to have the basics solved before you can go for your mission. Telling people to focus on big objectives before they have the basics sorted out is a bad idea.

11 upvotesazerbajani2 years ago

The thing is that food is a nessicity to life. Sex is not. Funny enough, when I stopped focusing on sex and went to making sure I traveled the world first, getting sex was easier.

-5 upvotesairmcnair062 years ago

Yeeea... Pretty sure sex is a necessity in life as well. (why do you think those that don't have food/are poor are often the ones to have the most kids? It's because they find a way to fulfill their needs in other ways when there is no food. May not be talked about as much because of society and the oppression of sexual images... But you're definitely healthier when you're having good sex regularly. Physical touch is a basic human need that's not often talked about

10 upvotesVeneck2 years ago

He's not saying it's bad, but definitely not a necessity. If you don't eat food you die.

52 upvotesd4nonymous2 years ago

This is an interesting point that hits close to home. We’ve all mental masturbated at some point in our lives. I recently read a self-help book and felt so much more optimistic and confident afterwards DESPITE not doing or changing anything. This is a psychological phenomenon that convinces us we’ve accomplished shit when we haven’t done anything. It’s the same as when you level up in a video game. Psychologically you are proud, but you literally haven’t done anything other than move your fingers around systematically.

Looking in the mirror is hard. For me, and many others my age (24), you have to realize that your inherent belief that you were meant to be great (as a result of being the “everyone gets a trophy” generation) does not happen without putting in the work.

I have a full-time 9-5 job that pays the bills and allows me to live comfortably. I realized that this comfort was actually the problem. I now drive for Uber in the evenings to make better use of my free time. Is it easy to take on a second job? No. Does it mean you won’t be able to talk to your friends about the latest Game of Thrones or Stranger Things episode? Yes. But am I getting closer to my goals by being more productive? Yes. And that’s all that matters.

Action, progress, results.

27 upvotesA_Cheeky_Fuck2 years ago

When you factor in all the costs, maintenance, etc uber often works out to be just about minimum wage. So I think you're falling into your own trap - you think you're doing something really special by working a second job, but you're literally trading hours of your life for $8/hour. It's action, but not progress or impressive results.

22 upvotesd4nonymous2 years ago

Im not claiming it to be “special”. Im comparing it to what I was doing before, which was nothing. I have additional income to show for the second job which is progress towards my goal of earning more money. Before I took the job I was watching tv. I’ve been bringing in $14/hr after expenses. My weekly income has gone up by $200. Maybe those aren’t impressive results? If they aren’t up to your standards, should I go back to sitting on the couch or do you have a suggestion for something better?

7 upvotesBamb0oM2 years ago

Also just to add this, you simultaneously make more money by spending less since you are more busy working your uber, so it is not really only $200pw.

2 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

And it builds work ethic and discipline...

Not to mention you are building wealth...the sooner you have it the better (time value of money)

And people who advocate aggressively managing expenses instead of aggressively pursuing income always seem to miss that there is a bottom cap on expenses, but there's no ceiling on income.

Work hard. Put yourself out there. You never know, you might end up driving for a CEO that gives you an amazing opportunity you wouldn't have otherwise had. You can't bank on it, obviously, but you can definitely bank on NOT meeting any CEOs when you're laying around your shitty apartment eating top ramen to save a few bucks a month.

7 upvotesEllenJoyyy2 years ago

Dude all he is saying is that you are making minimum wage driving for Uber. You'd probably be better off trying to start a small business in your free time because with Uber you have no room for growth.

8 upvotesd4nonymous2 years ago

Yes, agreed. Uber is not a long term play, just better than doing nothing, which is what most people do with their evenings. I didn’t mention it, but I am working on a business venture as another option that would be prioritized over Uber once it is finalized.

3 upvoteskaspell2 years ago

sometimes it's more important to be doing something than it is to be doing something better

'edit'; i'm not saying that it's better to work minimum wage than it is to make a salary, but i am advocating that when essentials are met sometimes just doing something, even if it's not optimal, is the most important thing you can do. it's the journey, not the destination.

11 upvotesHtowngetdown2 years ago

Uber driving is also a nice source of potential business contacts and a chance to practice “game” on strangers

9 upvotesSelfTaughtPiano2 years ago

and a chance to practice “game” on strangers


don't flirt with your uber passengers.

8 upvotesHtowngetdown2 years ago

You can “game” anyone. I really just meant practicing conversations with strangers. And yes sometimes you get a cute girl passenger and she likes you and gives you her number. I drove for lyft in college, it’s ok to flirt consensually, lol.

3 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

Fuck these all or nothing rules.

Just don't fucking suck at it and take a hint if she doesn't want to talk to you. But if she's receptive to it and you're acting like a Japanese businessman that doesn't "shit where he eats" you're not being smart, you're just missing opportunities. It's also a convenient excuse to not step up and do shit you know you should, which affects your psyche even if you pretend it doesn't.

Uber shouldn't be your sole source of income, so it's not anywhere near the same thing as fucking your coworkers when you're a fortune 50 VP making 500k+ per year.

8 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

You would be better off studying instead of driving an uber.

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

False dichotomy. You can only concentrate hard for a limited period per day, about 3-4 hours without a major rest period. So if you've already done that, what's wrong w driving Uber?

Plus, you can listen to audiobooks or podcasts.. it doesn't have to be unproductive.

1 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

If you don't think you can study after work you're sadly mistaken.

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

Yeah because that's what I said.

1 upvotesblastandcruz2 years ago

This is a psychological phenomenon that convinces us we’ve accomplished shit when we haven’t done anything

This is why I don't like to talk about things I'm gonna do before I do them. There are plenty of studies out there which prove talking about something triggers a dopamine rush, which leaves you with no reason to actually complete the task, since you already got the "feel good" by talking about it.

It's similar to those people who live vicariously through the accomplishments of others. "My favorite quarterback just threw a touchdown pass and won the super bowl... WE won!"

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

Yep. Once you are in a position to lead, you can engender that feeling in the teams you lead by using inclusive language. But only do this when you're in a position to benefit and you have high degree of control.

"Yes, team, we accomplished an amazing thing together, and now we all enjoy the rewards!" ... I just enjoy more.

147 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Exactly..... plus a few things i would like to add.... 1. You are accountable to yourself. Make your every move count. Don't take chance because you are compelled to but take chances because you want to. Understand the logic behind it. 2. Value yourself and your time. Wear a fucking nice watch. Trust me, i know what i am saying. Stop taking out your android phone for seeing time. 3. Make a habit. A small one. Maybe just brushing your teeth before sleeping. Just do it. Make atleast one habit consciously permanent. It will change other things too. 4. Stop wishing .

73 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I want to ask this seriously. How old are you?

This is the second or third time this "nice watch" thing has come up. I'm pushing 50, and a business owner. I have never once cared about the relative value of someone's watch. Personally, I do not wear a watch.

This must be a younger guy thing? That's why I wanted to know your age.

The rest of your response is on point. (EDIT) Especially the "Stop wishing" part. Wishing is useless.

11 upvoteskafkian2 years ago

Not OP but I agree with the watch thing. A good watch can open you doors, give you an edge. Might seem as an unfair advantage but it's about leveraging human nature the same way 0.99 prices still work even if you know what they are trying to do. I'm 40 and I'm a freelance consultant, my watch is a vintage Tudor Submariner, not the fanciest of the fancy watches but it still gets noticed. Rolex would work even better in my context.

6 upvotescoin_pwr2 years ago

If you wanna have a good time, then you better have a good watch.

6 upvoteschauncy_popperstein2 years ago

That's one of my favorite watches. Simple and not overstated. A nice watch that doesn't look like you are trying to hard.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I wouldn't get a Rolex. It screams "I'm trying too hard" imo.

It's one of those things that have gotten so big, that it has a pretty significant stigma attacked to it, about people trying to show off. It's basically the Axe spray of watches.

3 upvoteskafkian2 years ago

Depends on the Rolex a basic Perpetual or Datejust or an Explorer are very classy and understated. Of course if you buy a gold Daytona or something with a lot of bling then you're calling to be judged even by those that are already "in the club".

1 upvotesbanjew2 years ago

I have a G-Shock. I know, nothing fancy. I have fancier watches for going out, but for day-to-day, nothing says "I'm a fucking man" like a big G-Shock. (Not the cartoonish colorful models tough). I admit I bought it only because of fashion, but it turns out a watch it's incredibly useful. Taking out the phone just to look at the time feels very awkward now.

34 upvotesrmandan2 years ago

Bro, believe me, I wear this gps watch that’s around 200$ that I use for biking and running. At least 1 conversation starts because of it a day. Not only is it worth the investment for the running speed and distance and elevation, but also the conversations

13 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I think yours is the best reply so far.

14 upvotesShukakun2 years ago

I'm 26, and I used to be a take my phone out of my pocket to look at the time kind of guy, until the summer of 2016. I got into the habit of swimming for an hour every morning at the local swimming pool, but I can't wear glasses or contacts while swimming, so I couldn't tell when an hour had passed. Bought a black plastic waterproof watch for €30, and now I wear it 24/7 (sometimes sleep without it). Didn't know I needed it until I tried it, but I'd never go back.

It seems like fancy, expensive watches are a huge thing when it comes to male fashion (when you're closing in on your thirties anyway, the cute 18-25 boy look can probably do without it). The problem is the waterproof part. I'd love a €200 watch made out of precious metals, but if I can't wash my hands without taking it off, I'm just fine with my cheap plastic watch, thank you.

6 upvotescoin_pwr2 years ago

Look into a Seiko SXK007 mate. It's regarded as the best dive watch and often compared to a Rolex Submarnier as it's affordable counterpart. Can be found for around $200~ or so.

2 upvotesShukakun2 years ago

Thanks, I'll look into it. I figured there must be waterproof high status watches out there, but they sure aren't as prevalent as you'd think.

2 upvotesdongpal2 years ago

Seiko SXK007

i read they are unprecise (1 min per day) and have lot of small unprecise movement (especially the hour pointer, not accurate at 12 oclock)

1 upvotescoin_pwr2 years ago

It's hard to complain for what it is, and that's the affordable price.

1 upvotesdongpal2 years ago

30€ Casio watches are more precise

5 upvotesarctane2 years ago

200 dollar watch made out of precious metals? Mate you need to fork out a bit more than that for a decent timepiece. Get a dive watch... Oris, Seiko, ect. Pay for what you get...mine cost about 4k.. It goes to the beach, in the pool, always wet. Never skips a beat... And it looks amazing on the wrist

8 upvoteschauncy_popperstein2 years ago

Don't knock his budget. $200 can get him a Seiko solar. It won't impress anyone but looks better than a casio or timex.

1 upvotesaDrunkenWhaler2 years ago

Timex have a few great looking watches. Maybe they won't turn heads on their own, but can be a great accsesorry to certain street outfits.

10 upvotesBrolecopterPilot2 years ago

It amazes me how few guys know anything about decent mechanical watches.

2 upvotesst3roids2 years ago

Cause good mechanical watches cost around 6-10k and the better ones similar to a car.

not everyone can appreciate that you can have a good mechanical watch for 30-40 years wearing it everyday and that a patek has a statue of a ferrari

1 upvotesmattizie2 years ago

I don't think there's any point beyond it being a fashion accessory.

An ordinary watch will be just as accurate if not more so than a mechanical one and for a fraction of the price.

Rather spend the money on a motorcycle and tyres.

3 upvotesChadThundercockII2 years ago

lol'd at the 200 part. I have been into watches since I was 16. I never wore a watch. I am waiting to get a good one.

1 upvoteskaspell2 years ago

can you link an image of yours? I'm looking for a nice sport/athletic watch, preferably at least 30-60m waterproof since I do a little dive and I can't bear to spend money on something unless it's got form and function

I love my pre-Victorianox Swiss army but I wouldn't want to do 100 ft' with it

1 upvotesbanjew2 years ago

Drop the plastic garbage watch and get yourself at least a G-shock. If you want something slightly better, a Victorinox INOX is classic, manly and unbreakable, and won't break the bank, I think you can get one for something like 300 us$.

3 upvotesaDrunkenWhaler2 years ago

A watch is the only jewlery for men that shows class. Rings, necklaces and everything else either makes you look like a pimp or a showoff. Other accesories and jewlery can complement your style, but none adds class.

1 upvotesbanjew2 years ago

I used to think they were jewelry for men, until I got mine and I use it constantly. Time, date, alarms, temperature, etc. Much more practical than the phone.

Now I would never use an apple watch, that thing is hideous and feminine.

2 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

I am 33, MBA Finance and then did Ph.D in Investment. I am a Country Head in Investment Co.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Thanks for the reply. I already had you pegged as banking/finance (some of my best clients!). Your industry is an interesting one.

1 upvoteshasantaskin332 years ago

I think a decent watch improves SMV by 0.x so why not have one? It's not about functionality at all. No one cares how expensive your watch is but just how it looks.

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

To be fair, since you don't wear watches, you're unlikely to notice others' watches. Ever notice how when you're shopping for a new car or recently bought one, you suddenly see that model everywhere? Same thing.

I guarantee if you've spent the time to research and buy a nice Patek you're gonna start noticing watches.

-1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

How old are you?

Probably like 20 since he felt the need to use the word "fucking"

13 upvotesMrAnderzon2 years ago

Elaborate on the watch point

7 upvotesdRePe_Thill2 years ago

I have a nice looking citizens eco drive that I wear to work - nobody knows its broken :)

11 upvotesThe_Race_Car2 years ago

Not OP, but I think it has to do with associating your time with value.

3 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Bingo ! Spark of genius, u got my point.

14 upvoteslaviksa2 years ago

It's peacocking.

Too bad there isn't a great (classy) looking digital watch on the market.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

You can always get a fitbit or something like that. Doubles as a watch.

Waste of money though, imo.

1 upvotesbanjew2 years ago

Please don't use a fitbit.

There are samsung smartwatches that doesn't look like complete garbage.

7 upvotesU_Lika_Da_Tomato2 years ago

Status. A >$1000 watch shows its value and yours and can increase in value over time. Mechanical watches add an old school class and intrigue.

1 upvotesimprove_myself2 years ago

What watch increases in value over time?

1 upvotesSorcererKing2 years ago

Rolex, Omega, other high-end automatic Swiss watches.

1 upvotesimprove_myself2 years ago

Most of these decrease in value over time.

2 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

I meant a nice watch. Pls don't i interpret it as an expensive watch. By nice what i want to say is, as per your need and pocket, but not expensive and neither cheap. Before ppl jump and start labelling me as beta, i must tell u the logic. First of all, we communicate with both verbal and non verbal cues. Even before talking to someone, ppl look at that person and try to deduce what all knowledge they can and auto-complete the rest. So what i am saying is that your health, clothes, body posture and even your accessories transmit signals for others. Dont take these things lightly. Just some immatures call this beta, it is no reason to ignore it. Nice watch simply means any watch which is : 1. Analog (My preference, i believe in old school) u can combine it with chrono 2. Round dial. 3. Leather strap (my prefrence) or metal 4. Dont go for boy-ish digital. 5. Dont go for too expensive if u want it for a daily wear. If u feel for investment, your choice. 6. Some ppl think watch is for some compensation for lacking in self, let them mature a bit. I say why not to use even a watch for adding a value. Maybe, icing on the cake. 7. Some ppl are watch enthusiasts, they understand what i say. 8. Watch is to wear your time on your wrist. i say, try it.

Thanks for asking me to elaborate on the point. And dude, really apologize for being so brief, i am on move while typing this. Any further questions, i am happy to answer.

-1 upvotesVickVaseline2 years ago

Yeah, I don't get it. Phones have made watches totally redundant.

4 upvotesjuliusstreicher2 years ago

Actually, not. The whole point of a wristwatch isn't to tell time, so much as it is to tell time without having to fish around in your pocket. If I understand correctly, the term 'tank watch' came about when the wristwatch was invented for tank men in WWI because they wanted to find out what time it was more conveniently than reaching into their pockets for their pocket watches (cell phones).

Whole point being, looking at a watch is better than going into your pocket for your timepiece.

1 upvotesinactiveaccount2 years ago

But what if you don't drive tanks and simply don't mind the literal 2 seconds it takes to fish for your phone? Any other reasons apart from fashion?

1 upvotesSorcererKing2 years ago

Is fashion not enough? Do you have so much jewelry and other stylish pieces in your wardrobe and on your person that you can't be bothered with one of the classic male accessories?

1 upvotesinactiveaccount2 years ago

For some people, fashion seems to be enough. For me, it's actually the opposite--I don't have jewelry and so many stylish pieces because I'm quite comfortable with who and how I am. I don't feel it a necessity and, frankly, don't give fashion and its accessories much time of day. However, I don't cast any judgments on people who do--if you like watches and fashion, go for it; but, I would expect the same respect.

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

No, it's fashion, but it's masculine-themed fashion.

Most men aren't going to comment on how well your shirt fits your sexy man-body, but many will comment on your watch, especially if it's tasteful and/or unique.

Your apple watch doesn't count.

1 upvotesVickVaseline2 years ago

Come to think of it, they come in handy on Chinese airlines too. They can arrest you for powering-on your phone during a flight.

5 upvotesRudeyyyy2 years ago

Wait a minute who doesn't brush their teeth before they go to sleep? That's disgusting. I can't imagine going to bed with all this shit in my teeth just rotting away at my gums.

1 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Nah dude ! Its just an example. Kind of most basic change to start with.

2 upvotesRudeyyyy2 years ago

I mean shouldn't it be something you do from the start? I'd say a better example would be to find time to read 20 pages a day for a book or something where it becomes part of your daily routine. Or always change your sheets once a week. I change mine every Saturday.

1 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Yup you are damn right dude. I agree 100%

-22 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

This is just poor advice. A nice watch? Screams insecurity. Brush your teeth before sleeping? Who the hell doesn't brush their teeth before sleeping.

  1. Fine 2,3,4. Dumb.
7 upvotesNicolacho72 years ago

You clearly are young or only met people with good hygiene. I work retail and I promise at least 2 people a day has bad breath.

-1 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

I'm not young. That's disgusting. Bad breath isn't necessary directly related to brushing your teeth though.

2 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Not bad advice, obvious advice. To us. Some people still needs it, trust me. What i wrote in this post has been obvious to a lot of people, but it's still good advice.

About the nice watch, i'd say it depends on the watch. If you buy a giant, gold-plated, diamond encrusted log? Yeah, that's insecure. Something stylish, simple, but good looking? It's basically a bracelet, but for men.

0 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

I think having an expensive watch is the most pathetic insecure beta thing you can do.

Look at me!!! Look how much of a BB I am!!!

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

An expensive-looking watch, yes. An expensive watch in itself, no. It all depends on context and execution.

0 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

Just a waste of money. An accurate watch is all that matters. Anything else is attempting to apply external value..

2 upvotesgrumpy_0ld_man2 years ago

If you have money to spend and like a particular watch that happens to be expensive, nothing beta in that. Money is made to be spent. What would be beta is bragging about a watch or showing it off, or... listen to other guys trying to tell you that you are beta... because of a watch.

2 upvotesDontCallMePS-Aldrian2 years ago

I can’t tell you have not purchased a good looking watch in your life. For those of us that are watch enthusiasts, an expensive watch does not necessarily mean that we have show it off to the world. The fact is that many men don’t even know the brand that a person is wearing. When buying a watch you are looking at history, the engineering inside a well made timepiece. Many great men have had a neat time piece to accompany them in their ventures. Think about your father or mother taking a look at time when you were born becoming totally present within the moment. Also an expensive watch it is something that if taken care properly could easily be passed down through generations to come. Sometimes you should comprehend before speaking. I’m sure you have some hobbies we wouldn’t agree with!

2 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Well said. I guess, u are the only person here who understood the concept. thanks man.

1 upvotesAPSTNDPhy2 years ago

I have no issue if it is your hobby and you take great pride in all of the above mentioned, like buying an classic motor vehicle. That however is personal and not the advice that was given by the OP. Telling randoms, who doesn't give a fuck about a watch other than for time keeping purposes to buy an expensive watch is fucking dumb.

1 upvotesRJ_Mars2 years ago

Re read, i said nice watch, not some expensive watch. Nice in terms of what u feel is right for u.

12 upvotesmalignSAINT2 years ago

OP you dont know how badly I've needed to read this. I've been feeling in a slump lately and have said multiple times in the past 2 years that I need to change my lifestyle to how it was before I changed positions at my job and damn it I'm going to start right now! I'm tired of getting fat and being worthless besides going to work and coming home to stuff my fat face. Thanks

23 upvotesmusicvita252 years ago

"If you think you're special, but have absolutely fucking nothing to show for it, then you're not special."

  • We live in a society where it is truly easy to be something great as so many people give up with ease.

Again the people going on about how great they are are not great. The few people who don't are the greatest.

6 upvotesMrCarepig2 years ago

We live in relative comfort compared to our ancestors. Thats a big trap that many fall in, they get too cozy.

25 upvotesomega_dawg932 years ago

most of the guys at the gym i go to would get better results... IF THEY PUT THEIR FUCKING PHONES DOWN AND STARTED WORKING OUT!!!

the mind-muscle connection can NOT be ignored. focus, concentrate, and put in the work.

check facebook and instagram after you get home and sit on the toilet.

7 upvotesCesare_MA2 years ago

It's a shame how many people neglect the MMC and just push the weight around instead of focusing on slow, isolated contractions. I see it all the time with guys who basically drop the barbell on their chest when benching instead of bringing it down slow.

5 upvotesomega_dawg932 years ago

the old school "rule of thumb" from mike mentzer (rip) was that the negative should take almost 2x as long as the positive.

doing it that way kills the momentum reps and almost forces good form.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

It doesn't force good form at all though. No, bouncy momentum reps aren't good, but most of the muscle building, pump creating action is in the positive portion of the movement, focusing on contracting the correct muscles in a natural motion. I've seen a lot of gym idiots doing slow negatives but clearly not getting a good contraction and never making progress (i.e. the infamously mediocre Ian McCarthy). I don't think it's particularly helpful and I also think Mike Mentzer was a mildly insane idiot.

2 upvotesjuliusstreicher2 years ago

I agree with you that the negative stuff is a bunch of shit, but, otoh, didn't Arthur Jones, inventor of Nautilus equipment, do some controlled experiments, or was he just taking Mentzer's word for it??

15 upvotesHunterRave2 years ago

Okay, I see where you're coming from. But I personally use my phone to keep track of my reps/sets, so basically right after I'm done lifting some heavy shit, I pull out my phone

11 upvotesomega_dawg932 years ago

comment wasn't directed at you personally. I'm talking abt the guy that does one set then plays on the phone for over 5 min while occupying equipment.

that's too much time btw sets and prevents others from using the eqmt... causes you to lose both workout focus & intensity.

i used to be a trainer at gold's gym in Dallas in the late 80s... trained with a few pros too. they completed intense workouts in 55 to 75 minutes... taking 45 to 75 seconds btw sets.

and get this... volume (high reps) plus strict form was the focus not the amount of weight; they didn't want injuries.

3 upvotesHunterRave2 years ago

I love the JEFIT app, because it's super simple, and when you're done with a set you press a button and it starts a 60 second rest timer, then you hit the next set.

Although sometimes when I get a text or something during the rest time, it's easy to turn that into a 90 second or 2 minute rest. I try to stay focused when I'm in the gym though

1 upvotesUnlucky_Leader2 years ago

This is a bit of rabbit hole at this point as it gets off the main message but most are not professionals and building strength requires time in between sets.

6 upvotesomega_dawg932 years ago

I'm not saying train like a pro... as not many walking this planet do not have the genes.

what i am saying is that for any gains... whether you're working for size or strength, require that you to be FOCUSED. and time btw sets should be regulated.

-10 upvotesmytrillosophy2 years ago

How can you be so ADD that you can't manage this mentally

6 upvotesshr3dthegnarbrah2 years ago

I don't use a phone but using a notepad adds alot of structure mentally as well as an easy record of progress and notes about what's hard/easy and how to do things better.

3 upvotesHunterRave2 years ago

Whoa, someone please explain ADD to this dummy

I don't know why I replied to begin with, keeping track of it on my phone helps me stay on track and focused. If you have a way that works for you, props brah

-9 upvotesmytrillosophy2 years ago

I'm just struggling to understand what's so complicated about working out that you need to pull your phone out to keep track. I don't do a complicated routine, so maybe that's the difference, but I find it easy to keep up with where I am in my workouts mentally, personally, and I feel like my phone's a distraction

7 upvotesgrimmjoww2 years ago

Do wendlers 5/3/1 and tell me you don't need to check your phone.

4 upvotesMr-Kabuki2 years ago

He's probably keeping track of stuff for months at a time.

3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

If you don't track the workouts in a journal or log than you aren't serious

1 upvotesmytrillosophy2 years ago

I'm only a couple months into it, so I'm still a beginner really. I didn't realize it got so involved, but I suppose I'll learn

1 upvotesCesare_MA2 years ago

Do anything intermediate that isn't 5×5 (which is technically a novice program tbh) and see if you can keep track of it all

2 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

I'm on my phone at the gym when I do LISS cardio because I'm reading a fucking book. I'm sure if you saw me you'd lump me in with those other guys, but I fucking detest social media.

Careful with assumptions, they allow you that exact same feeling of unearned superiority discussed in this thread.

1 upvotesomega_dawg932 years ago

i doubt anyone here is speaking directly to you. why are you taking the statements personally?

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

Because it's a discussion forum and I was discussing my point of view? The judgment you shared (in all caps no less) was unreasonable trashcan thinking so I was sharing my personal experience to demonstrate why.

Yes, social media is a cultural abomination but not all the guys staring at their phone are on Facebook so stop acting like you're better for it. You're not.

Just do your thing. The fact that the thought crossed your mind shows exactly how much you really care about what everyone else is doing.

We're on the same team. Don't try to discredit me by acting like I took offense to your comment.

5 upvotesThickDickWarrior892 years ago

Fat fucks get so angry at me just for being lean. They say “one day your metabolism is gonna slow down”. I’m fuckin 27 and I’m down 50lbs from when I was 21.

10 upvotesCallMeHaseo2 years ago

Too many people like to be delusional and ultimately shoot themselves in the foot. You can't just "be confident" if there's nothing to show for it. It goes to show how much people subscribe to their own feelings and prefer to do what feels better as opposed to doing what is actually in their best interest.

3 upvotesRakosnik2 years ago

wrong. i've seen the most confident losers you cant imagine. confidence is also the way you talk to yourself. when you're making good money, have a car, living etc yet still belittle yourself in your own mind in every way possible you will hardly find confidence in yourself.

you might be surprised but it is actually easier to talk shit to yourself on daily basis than think of yourself positively. of course the best combination is both of the worlds. having to show something for it combined with the right self talk.

1 upvotesCallMeHaseo2 years ago

They're not actually confident, they act that way as a coping mechanism to make themselves look/feel better. You only see what they appear to be stop being naive.

1 upvotesRakosnik2 years ago

yes you can fake it till you make. just go watch a video of the rich dudes unable to speak to an average woman. it all starts in your head. you missed the basics.

1 upvotesCallMeHaseo2 years ago

They're RICH they have something to be confident in...

1 upvotesRakosnik2 years ago

yeah that should give them more confidence for sure and it does but in different aspects of life. they can be ruthless businessmen. they can even talk work at company's meetings to woman, no problem. however, when it comes to approaching women and saying something outside of work setting etc... they break like little 5yos.

3 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

In the end, the only metric that matters is your actual results.

Listen I get what you're saying but this statement is ridiculous. By what metric do we measure our results? They are two separate concepts. A result is not a metric.

But you are right in that most people cherry pick the metric that's easiest for them or makes them look the most favorable instead of the one that actually fucking matters.

Example: job title (hierarchal position) versus actual income

I'd rather be an analyst making 300k than a director making 120k, unless that director had outsize influence worth more than the difference.

3 upvotesSPREAD_THE_LOVE_77912 years ago

Your climb doesn't get shorter because you point out that others were given a head start.

Enjoyed this part. Enjoyed this post.

2 upvotesTRP_mask2 years ago

I'm only 17 so don't be too surprised.

I never got laid before. I am getting pretty close though. It's just hard to keep my personal life and school life from colliding. Personally I'm a guy with close red pilled friends who has a lot of social contacts. In school I'm a weird nobody that doesn't really belong anywhere (my closest friends have all finished high school, mine was a year longer). The girls I meet often know the people I know in school, and even though I don't care what they say about me, since they're mostly idiots anyway, it heavily influences the way people think of me and decreases the amount of people I can actually start something with. This obviously gives me 2 faces: a confident one outside of school and a shy one in school. It's not easy to be someone else when everyone knows the old you and doesn't want to believe you change. Self confidence is key, but you can't always be self confident. People have to let you.

2 upvotesNapalmSunshine2 years ago

I haven’t been this turned on in a while.

2 upvotesPeggedByOwlette2 years ago

Your assessment of people's progress In the gym is inaccurate. Some of us use steroids. I can run 700mg a week of tren, put 60% effort into my diet and have veins in my Abbs.

Thank you for teaching me the word tumblerina.

1 upvotesmental_models2 years ago

you missed the point.

If you have veins in your abs(i'm assuming you mean vascularity and lean mass) - that's a fucking good result. Nobody gives a fuck if you could have worked 40% harder. You were smart. You took the correct drugs and you worked hard enough to get ripped. You did great in that category.

The thread starter is talking about people who do NOT have results.

1 upvotesLiveAFTSOV2 years ago

I mean, im doing pretty shittily atm in my life rn but im still getting laid.

I dont think thats a good indicator.

Still agree with the mesage of msking every move count

6 upvotesMarsupian2 years ago

Everyone has to find their own metrics.

Quality/quantity of sex, weight on the bar, enjoying life, medals, money, freedom, etc.

Find out what is important to you and then find a way to measure your progress.

2 upvotescrapaudface2 years ago

Great Post. This is also what i say to people who think they re special just unlucky. Only results matter, if they suck then work on yourself or continue to suck

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1 upvotesEpictetus20172 years ago

This can also apply to lack of confidence despite obvious competence in a given skill, or quality.

1 upvotesIchewfivegum2 years ago

You can't be a victim when you actually take responsibility thooooooo.

1 upvotesFedor_Gavnyukov2 years ago

When you see women write about how amazing they are, but they still can't find a husband

i know quite a few of these. also a HUGE red flag when you see a bitch on tinder/insta/whatever writing about herself in that way. you know there's more baggage than the 747.

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3 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

True. I thought i wrote "Objective" somewhere but i must have forgotten it.

If your results can't be counted or objectively measured, to some degree, then it's probably not real.

You'll notice that the people who bullshit themselves always use completely subjective metrics for themselves. "I'm strong", "I have a great personality", "I'm nice", "I'm ambitious" etc.

If you don't know how much you can lift, you're probably not that strong. If you're not constantly invited out or struggle to get dates, your personality is probably not all that great, if you're stuck in a shitty job with a low salary, then you're probably not that ambitious and so on.

Another great example is when people say "I have a degree!!" The only relevant response is "In what?" The people who do this have attributed great subjective value to the title of having a degree, and intentionally ignore that in most cases that degree is worthless.

1 upvotesIIISOMAIII2 years ago

Your climb doesn't get shorter because you point out that others were given a head start.

Fucking solid line. It feels good to get that slap in the face from reaity. Keep pushing my brother.

1 upvotesTheDevilsAdvokaat2 years ago

I really enjoyed the first part of your comment "I'm such an amazing woman, but I cannot find a husband.."

Yes, a complete failure of introspection. Some compound it even further this way: They decide the entire male GENDER is at fault.... not them.

1 upvotesLeave_em_leakin2 years ago

Great post man. Definitely just got tons of motivation reading this.

1 upvotesBlackVale2 years ago

Thank you for this post. This is something that I have began to realize over the years after graduating college and not having a job in my field. I am 24 right now and am trying to find ways to build my value as a programmer so that recruiters and companies would notice me at least.

I used to listen to the common dogma that's floating around now. It's "go to college and come out with a job". That's a very unrealistic expectation and makes many people my age believe that they are entitled to a job after college. No on has to hire you even though society promises it. You are in charge of where you go in life. The hardest part for me has been accepted that even if I did something wrong going on someone else's promise or direction it's my fault for being the fool, placing the trust on someone else who doesn't have to live my life, and expecting a handout in the first place.

1 upvotes666_DDDS2 years ago

I learnt a trade. Starting from the bottom as an apprentice you learn quick that the only thing your boss gives a shit about is if you can do your job.

It matters nothing who you know or what education you have.

I studied harder during my apprenticeship than most people who got degrees. I wanted to know everything about my craft.

The sense of entitlement from people our age makes me despise them. Makes me laugh when they tell me how unfair it is how much I make and the companies I have worked for at such a young age.

Whilst most university students are out getting plastered at every opportunity, there are young guys out there learning a trade, working hard, putting in the hours, going months at a time without alcohol. It's no surprise learning a trades trumps getting a degree these days.

Edit: Something I have to add, I would be nothing if it wasn't for the older guys I worked with during my younger years. They guided me to where I am today... these guys gave me guidance I unfortunately never received at home.

1 upvotesBlackVale2 years ago

Are there any trades that aren't detrimental to health? It's either that, join the military, or bite the bullet and start a business for me.

Edit: thank you for your input

1 upvotesdavebrain2 years ago

You can measure your alphaness by the number of STDs you've contracted. None=lift more bro.

1 upvotesmental_models2 years ago

I love this post.

There are a shit-ton of people who are ignorant of reality and/or lazy.

Many of these people believe 'everyone is a winner'. These are the folks who spout opinions as if they are facts.

And I'm about as 'anti-outcome' as you can be.

'Process' oriented.

To me, IDGAF about a short-term result.

Any time I take a step on my path towards a goal, that shit is a win.

IDGAF if it's a successful step.

Every step I take is a win. But I don't fucking step without a strong insight into how that step works. I don't fucking step without my virtues in order. Otherwise that shit is not a valid step. When I take a step, that step is at the very least intelligent and competent. After I succeed or fail, I look back at the process and learn from any errors or successes.

An ignorant ass step is NOT a 'win'.

And, if the process isn't resulting in concrete long-term RESULTS, then I'm not stepping that way any more, unless I learn a better way.

A lot of people wandering around like the walking dead with their path. Underachieving. Speaking opinions as fact. Got a lot of excuses.

1 upvotesbuddhadarko2 years ago

People will always have a million reasons as to why they haven't done something that they know they should do and need to do, and each reason is tied to themselves, but they've convinced themselves it's something external. This way they can acknowledge the problem, but shift the blame entirely onto some imaginary scenario where they are completely helpless and hopeless. Then, the crazy part is, doing this activates the reward part of your brain when you do something like eat bullshit snack foods. Your brain tells you "Oh, you're such a victim. You deserve this big ass burger with fries and a coke. Go ahead and have that candy, it's not your fault you're overweight."

Like OP said, introspection is something that a lot of people have an issue with because it holds a mirror up to their faces as the reason for them being in the position they're in.

1 upvoteslvl99jacked2 years ago

Results matter.

RP: "it was a waste of time, I didn't have anything to show." BP dreamer: "That last decade was a lot of fun. I have nothing to show, but at least I have a smile on my face." RP: "how much dope have you smoked today so far?" DP dreamer: "Pot isn't dope man. No one cares." RP: "Exactly no one cares about you. How's that back pain at age 25?"

1 upvotesOwl_272 years ago

Funny thing is I know op and he bullshits himself massively.

5 upvotesUnpluggedGoku2 years ago

Well, everyone learns eventually. Don't be negative about the progress of a person.

6 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

He doesn't know me. This acc is 2 weeks old and has no connection to me IRL whatsoever.

It's just a salty troll that's upset because i poked his bubble of insecurity.

4 upvotesUnpluggedGoku2 years ago

oh shit. So much pathetic people. I don't know what he will gain from this non-sense.

-5 upvotesnotonlyplace2 years ago

If you're still not getting laid, then you're not.

I Agree 100% you can't talk about women if you can't sleep with them, to easy to do it, but most guys don't know where to start and they don't bullshit, they just get told lies and live in a culture that doesn't support them, things aren't black and white

if you think you're working hard

Smart, work smart, life isn't linear, you know why that guy is so jacked, because of steroids, you know why that girl got a promotion, she slept with the boss.

You know why you are so weak, You have low T

I agree with not making excuses but I see men, in general, say if I fail that I need to work harder, this is the poor man's mindset, if you fail, work smarter, things aren't black and white.

Just so you know Steriods are so common that 85% of the people are on them in my gym as they are jacked and ripped, so the secret to success is working smart

5 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

I said work smarter and harder.

you know why that guy is so jacked, because of steroids, you know why that girl got a promotion, she slept with the boss. You know why you are so weak, You have low T

Sounds like bullshit excuses to me. Makes you feel all good to say them, but in the end you're still in the exact same place as you were before.

85% of the people are on them in my gym

Because you asked them, or because you just decided that everybody with a better physique than you are cheating?

This is basically the "Everybody who's better than me are hacking" but for life.

1 upvotesnotonlyplace2 years ago

but in the end you're still in the exact same place as you were before.

If it's a bullshit excuse than my hometown gym has the most gifted genetics every seen, they should send a scientist to study this place because everyone arm is bigger than my entire body.

This is basically the "Everybody who's better than me is hacking" but for life.

It is a hack, perhaps your young but back in the 80's we didn't know about steroids so anytime someone was huge we believe them to be working hard, I guess once we caught these guys lying we begin to understand what the human body is capable of

look at it this way, the unhealthiest and weakest in the fitness community are the bodybuilders but they are the most popular. Hack at life, play it smart, working hard when something isn't working is bad advice, change your methods think outside the box

1 upvotesIchewfivegum2 years ago

Honestly me and my friends are all gonna hit a cycle together in a few years, once we all have enough money to justify doing it. Most of my friends have admitted to me they do roids and have offered me some. Not saying it's impossible to look good without roids (I'm natty but I get accused of being juiced all the time) just saying a lot of people are.

1 upvotes • [deleted] • 2 years ago

Of course some people take steroids, but to say that 85% of the people on his gym are? Unless he's lifting in some underground, ghetto-gym, that's beyond retarded.

Besides, i think the natty look is much better.

1 upvotesIchewfivegum2 years ago

I'm not saying 85%, but it's a lot more then you would think. One cycle will still have you looking natural, you'll just look a lot better.

1 upvotesD0initbig2 years ago

The natty look is indistinguishable from the pre-roided the fuck out look. You only notice the guys on gear because they have ridiculous physiques. Many of the ones with great "natty look" physiques are also on gear, they just don't go full retard.

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