Oh, hello there.
I was talking with two of my sisters (early twenties, mid-twenties), and my mom a few minutes ago. Early twenties sister brought up all the sexual scandals being exposed in the news and was speaking through a slightly red-pill tinted lens, which is a big step forward. She basically mentioned how everyone assuming the guy is completely guilty simply because he was accused, is wrong. Bringing back American values, innocent until proven guilty, I like it. Then Mom steps up and leaves her speechless.
"I was talking to Dad about all of this groping/sexual harassment stuff. I used to get groped all the time in bars, but you just push them off, say "Get away from me creep" and get on with your life. I didn't need to make a federal offense out of it. Drunk men are going to try things, wait til you start going to bars, you'll see what I mean. You see people making out all over the place."
Then the fun part
"But how about these women? You don't think they are dressing like that and flaunting everything for no reason. Some girls like that attention, and are trying to put themselves in a position to get groped so they can get a guy arrested, or get money, or whatever."
Sister is speechless, mumbles "Well, I don't really agree with that"
"So these girls are just what, totally innocent and can do no wrong?"
Hopefully not a shitpost. It was funny, thought I'd share.
Doesn't all of this come back to the fundamental fact that girls love attention, except when it's from dudes they AREN'T attracted to?
They'll dress up like street walkers and go out with the girls and they'll soak up the attention they get from hot guys, but if they notice too many ugly or low SMV dudes trying to get a piece, that's when the sexual harassment mentality kicks in.
I support creating an environment where women aren't being forced to watch some middle aged guy masturbate to them, or don't feel obligated to suck some dick to get a job in hollywood, but another part of me suspects that the frenzy of the MeToo movement is being fueled by the aforementioned factor of a lot of women experiencing attention from dudes they don't consider attractive, and feeling like they're living in a rape culture because of it.
Exactly. That reminded me of what my older sister said that I forgot to include in the post.
"Just because a guy is flirting with you and you're not into him doesn't mean it's sexual harassment. But if you say no though, and he keeps coming back then yeah."
What if he comes to your apartment at night and you let him upstairs?
If she says no/not interested and he flirts some more that's sexual harassment?
If the guy keeps hovering around after she said no, and the girl is obviously not interested, then yes, I'd probably consider that harassment. Maybe not sexual harassment, unless he's touching her and what not.
By this standard virtually every romance movie ever made features the protagonist "sexually harassing" the poor innocent starlet.
This is the fundamental problem with the issue of sexual harassment. It's part of women's biological nature to put up barriers for men. Because women put up barriers rather than straight out choosing which men they like, a certain amount of harassing women is necessary or else the species would literally cease to exist species. Sometimes it can go too far. And sometimes, the women use this as a weapon even though it doesn't go too far.
That moore guy is a guy who took it too far. Franklin sounds like he sucks with women but he did not go too far with mere ass grabs and etc.
Fairly important distinction that I agree with.
I wouldn't think it was harassment though without physical contact, a lot of successful married couples have the story that she was never interested in him but that the guy still persisted. Persistence did use to be a part of courting where I wouldn't call it orbiting or anything like that necessarily. Keeping your eyes on the prize.
It is part of human sexuality that the woman plays at not being interested. It is up to you to know the difference between when she is playing at disinterest, and actually disinterested.
It isn't meant to be fair. It is just how it works.
It's a fine line though and with the advent of the internet and social media I think most people are a lot more engaged or socially active/busy that they don't have time to deal with everyone that shows them unwanted attention.
Like with the number of emails I have to answer, conference calls, talking to employees, peers, friends, family, as well as staying up to date on current events, news, material related to my interests/hobbies, the last thing I'd want in my life is to go out somewhere to relax and have some annoying motherfucker trying to talk to me after I already told them to fuck off.
Maybe in 1950 things were different and people could sort of interject themselves in other peoples lives and persistence could eventually become endearing to some women who might realize "wow this guy is willing to do a lot for me!" but I don't think it holds up very well today.
Same which is why I asked that. Guys who are persistent are automatically labeled "sexual harassers" in the scenario above where no contact was mentioned.
1) Did the woman clearly say no?
2) Did the woman sense his desperation and stars using the guy to do stuff for her (buy her a drink, fix her car, do her homework, be her punching bag) only to reject him when she can no longer keep him at arms length.
Why did the man allow him self to be in that position? = Just wants to get laid.
Why did the woman allow her self to be in that situation = Wants to get laid = current wants + what she preseves her future will require for security = Will start testing the man in small things = ....
Everybody needs to adjust his or her expectations in relation to how they see them selves. People who are untrue to them selves, will end up attracting untrue fake people. If you are true to your self, you will only attract your kind.
Problem solved.
Common sense and legally would say if you persist after being rejected then yes it is harassment. If a girl ain't interested leave her alone. Its pretty obvious when they are and when they are not interested.
Now if you are an omega level dude just approaching can be a capital offense in her eyes. If she is crazy no telling what will come out of her mouth.
Fuck that that's LMR keep pushing. If she rejects give her a uppercut to the chin and move fast.
The reason it’s doomed for failure now is that there is ZERO self-reflection. It consist entirely of yelling at one side to change everything with zero changes to themselves. From the very beginning when Weinstein accusers we’re coming in waves, nobody mentioned how that open secret could of been used to some woman’s advantage - the consensual trade of flesh for cash. Men have a lot to think about with these revelations and the culture shift, but the lack of nuance and not a single word of how woman need to change too. This is why it lacks nuance, this is why it was so easy to weaponize, and this is why their will only be a slight change in culture instead of the massive change it could of been.
This is what happens when you can’t have an open discussion.
I disagree. Theres too many dudes getting sick of this feminism, rediculous sexual abuse claims and men being taken advantage of in the marraige system and thats why redpill is here and many men are starting to wake up to whats really happening here. I think we are in for some major cultural changes as long as we keep fighting back against what really is the oppression of man we will succeed.
Our biggest problem is other moronic men, and not necessarily feminists.
I think it's really a little from column A and a little from column B
Did you mean could've?
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Women like attention from all men. If it's men they are not attracted to, then they can become victims and the world will give them attention for it (calling them "strong women" even though they are actually weak). It's just a way to get validation and a sense of achievement while doing nothing to actually earn it.
They want all attention from all men with the caveat that those men know their own leagues and stay in them.
Hot guy initiates kino and says "I want you right now"? Tingles.
Beta guy wants to give her rides everywhere and pay for her drinks? He's such a good friend!
Beta guy says "I want you right now"? Sexual abuse!
Yes, but my point is that they have a vested interest in false abuse accusations: Sympathy from many people and a ton of attention.
This is why so many women suddenly remember being raped by these Hollywood guys. They get a lot of attention and validation from that.
Fucked up part is that if at any point in the future they stop being attracted to a man that gave them attention, they can claim harassment.
Retroactively, 45 years later.
(If your harasser was a Republican)
That whole situation is fucked up, politics has nothing to do with it. It’s unbelievably stupid to fuck underage girls as a 32 year old if you value your future career ESPECIALLY if you’re getting into politics.
They can claim whatever they want and they will be believed without question.
Absolutely. Believed by droves of men eager to white knight for their own validation.
Exactly.
Although I don't think these white knights are consciously doing this. I don't they're trying to attract women this way. They're just brainwashed and too stupid to realize it.
Even when a fellow feminist (Lena Dunham) defends the man claiming that the accusation is unfounded, they eviscerate her rather than question the accuser. Truly like sharks smelling blood.
Lol what????? Women like attention from all men? You have obviously never lived as an attractive women and may or may not be 12-years-old
I honestly do not understand the demographic of this subplague
Read what I wrote. Look at what's going on in Hollywood right now. It's clear that these women are making up false accusations about these guys several years later (when many of the men are old) in order to garner sympathy and/or money.
Wake up.
And, yes, women love attention, even from men they have no interest in dating (unless the guy's SMV is VERY far beneath her, like a homeless guy). I'm talking about beta orbiters. They make her feel attractive and desired.
Are you a female? If not, you sound like one.
100 women made up accusations about Harvey Weinstein? For example, what was Angelina Jolie's perogative? (To note, she was never successfully assaulted by him, but issued a statement that he had made her feel uncomfortable and afterward, she refused to work with him and quietly warned others who may be doing so) Your logic is a product of a systemic issue.
As an attractive (top 10%--though I'm sure my self-assessment will further anger you) woman who frequently avoids social situations with peers because I DO not wish to receive unwanted attention, I can say with certainty that your blanket statement is incorrect. I do not have "beta orbiters" in my life and often feel uncomfortable on the street. You really have no perspective.
Also, I have been raped and have never accused or confronted the assailant. The sort of thought cycle you perpetuate is delusional and problematic. While I agree that WOMEN DO falsely accuse and report rape, the majority of women who do come forward gain nothing from doing so. (Remember, the vast majority of rapists are not part of US 1 %.)
An example of problematic sexual assault/rape allegations that perpetuate your school of thought would be as such: a woman sleeping with someone who she considers (as you would say, below her SMV) whilst incredibly intoxicated, regretting decision in aftermath/expecting that man be held liable for knowing how inxtoxicated she was, and then later accusing the man of assault or rape. I agree that this is a problem and discredits actual victims of assault. (Would you say, for example, that waking up in a shared home while asleep to find a friend of a roommate you've never met on top of you, forcefully entering you, is not rape? Would you say if the victim of this assault reported it, they would be seeking attention and validation? FYI, theoretical)
Either made up or exaggerated. Most likely, yes.
Just shows that even uber famous women need worldwide sympathy and attention at time.
Assess yourself however you'd like. It's a free country.
If I had a nickel for every woman that claimed to have been raped....
I would classify your last question as rape, yes. But I don't think that happens often or even the majority of the time. This has been brought on by my years in college and in the military. Many women claim rape after consensual sex to get some kind of benefit from it (either emotional, financial, to preserve their marriage, or to get some kind of privilege).
I don't think I've ever witnessed an accusation that wasn't false (and I've witnessed many accusations).
Hey, just to contradict you...you responded to me mentioning being raped with "If I had a nickel for every woman that claimed to be raped..." as though to imply, I'm lying.
Well, then you went on to respond to my question that inquired about a theoretical situation (as described) and you did indeed declare that it was rape.
And naturally (ding ding)...that situation describes what happened to me! But I never went to the police, never told anyone, never confronted the rapist (I didn't wake up until he was already inside me, and rather than screaming--out of shock--I pretended that I was still asleep.) Why do you think it is that I felt uncomfortable reporting this? Telling anyone? Because of the sort of thought/culture perpetuated by this logic and more loosely but specifically--this forum.
I'm not on here to simply troll. I'm currently doing graduate work in psychology and earnestly believe group think and thought without logic and deep thought/analysis perpetuates toxic cultures and I am only earnestly attempting to provide perspective. (Especially since I think some on here are so young. There's time to change!)
A lot if women string guys along that they are not interested in. They do it solely for validation; to feel attractive.
I'm crazy for expressing a rational thought based on real personal experience as an actual woman?
Okay..so then I'll just take your word and assume these blanket statements are correct! No need for substantiated evidence! (Though I would love some to be provided. Anecdata and data welcome!) I suppose I am not accquainted with these women because I've been fortunate to grow up both socio-economically and physically privileged, and my friends are women from similar ecosystems, or with similar morals and values.
;)
'Never in the history of mankind has a woman strung a man along just for attention.' - there's some contrast for you.
You'll agree that it sounds absolutely correct.
Gas-lighting.
Hold on, I have log books and signed records for you to review.
your words; not mine.
That's exactly my point - AWALT
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Lol I don't understand what seems to be your "celebratory" winky-face and Middle Finger neckbeard Art? I also don't understand why I responded to begin with to under-educated individuals with tunnel vision. Furthermore, I don't understand why I'm still respondin. (Well, squandering time, engaging in rhetorical conversations as experiment.)
But...I appreciate your participation! Best- kisses
This “Me Too” situation is perfect for the female psyche. They to get brag about how they’re so desirable even important men can’t control themselves (boosting their status) while still being able to play the victim. It’s like some red pilled scientist created this scenario for maximum shit storm potential.
To me the really dystopian part is that because of hypergamy "creepy" doesn't even have an absolute definition. So in some high tech future when every guy has a 6pack, full head of hair, 22 year old skin etc, there will still be some factor of competition that they select on. Even a perfect guy by today's standards will be insufficient and thus a creep.
Your suspicions are correct. Unfortunately, there isn't anything you can do beyond what you should already be doing.
Improve your SMV and game so that you never receive such as accusation.
Considering the fact that women consider 80% of the guys around them unacceptable,I'll say there's a lot of room for #metoo
This is heart of the issue. It has become a rarity to be a 7+ as a girl. So you have a slough of 4-6's (most of whom are overweight) that are dressing that way to get attention from suitable potential lovers, only failing to recognize their low SMV and continue to attract low SMV guys (which they see as repulsive and insulting. So when they aren't happy (long term), beta after beta, they actually start to believe nearly all men are like that. Cause they haven't even had the opportunity to be Alpha widowed yet.
It's only going to get worse too.
Apparently their is a new attention game in town. They LOVE to get attention by being the woman that destroys a man with high status that is not attractive. Louis C.K.? Ewwww. [subtext: Louis C.K. wants me --> there's no status in dating him/I'll look like a golddigger --> Shame him --> gain status that way / get attention (profit!)
The metoo movement is being fueled by women shit testing men. It's just another shit test. Now granted, real sexual assault happens a lot to women. Girls get raped by their step dads or whoever and other shit for real. Groping women in bars or clubs isn't good behavior but it shouldn't be criminal behavior.
I agree that it is most likely attention from guys that they don't find attractive. But that's beside the point, which is that these guys continue to persist after being asked to stop. Like, stop being creepy. There are many other people in the world that might be open to you approaching them.
I was out last night at a bar. The last time I was out was on Halloween weekend. While not a fan of this particular bar, it really reminds you how so many women dress like they are slutting it up, yet only dance with their friends. Then get surprised when random guys trying and dance with them.
The mind boggling thing is when they actually are the ones to approach you, seem really into you and maybe have a make out session at some point. She goes to talk to her friends and then you approach her later and she acts like you some kind of creep, even though nothing you did supports that and she was all over you.
"I'm just here to dance with my girlfriends." If true, girls-only clubs and bars would not only be a thing, they would do really well.
Damn, how many kilotons was that logic bomb. It's always fun when someone blows a gigantic hole in people's bullshit with one single sentence of reason.
The "logic bomb" might make more sense if girls-only clubs were legal. They violate US civil rights laws. Public accommodations can't discriminate like that.
Girls Only gyms are a thing, so why not bars?
Girls-only gyms are also illegal in general, but some states have passed special laws allowing single-sex health clubs - these laws don't apply to bars:
https://fitnessmarketing.com/2011/04/are-women-only-gyms-guilty-of-discrimination/
It's called gay bars. Girls who really want to just dance and not get hit on go there.
Side note, as a straight man, a gay bar is a really great place to get women. Their guards are all down and gay dudes don't cock block like female friends do.
I've heard that for ages. Have you experienced it first hand?
I have. I've not a lot mind you and I haven't taken anyone home, but yeah, if there are straight women at a gay bar then approaches aren't even necessary. The straight girls just flock to the straight guys.
Never been to a gay bar. How do they single out straight guys?
First of all we stare at chicks and not dudes. Also usually the mannerisms and body language. I'd bet money on pheromone cues as well.
I have. Gay dudes are normally in decent shape, can dance well, and are not threatening to women. So chicks love to dance with them and get all sexed up. Then they realize there are only 2 or 3 straight dudes around. You'll increase your SMV by association of good looking gay dudes and they will find themselves in an awkward spot: not being surrounded by guys who want to fuck them. They want quick validation and you're it.
Again, gay dudes not only don't cock block, they'll encourage it.
Think of the equivalent for a man: being in a club with only HB8+'s, but they are all lesbians but they all love to grind on you for fun. Once you find 2 of the girls are actually straight, they'd be hard not to hit on.
Why isn't this tactic more frequently applied then? Why don't more straight men do this?
Because life is not only about picking up women. Plus a lot of straight guys don't want to frequent gay bars. It's just a nice side effect when you find yourself at one.
Because straight men are uncomfortable as fuck in gay clubs.
I live in a big liberal city. Gay bars are usually run by gay people and bouncers usually don't let straight people in. Even if they do, imagine two small white chicks dancing next to a 6'4 black crossdresser in 7" platform heels giving them the stink eye. Gay dudes are ruthless.
This is ridiculous. How would a bouncer even tell if someone is gay, bi, or straight? I also live in a big liberal city and it's never been an issue.
I also live in a big liberal city. That's not an issue here.
So you're saying your city's gay bars is the glitch in the matrix. Boys, pack your bags, we don't need this trp shit no more.
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Maybe /u/TheRedPillMonkey and I live in the same city, but the gay bars here don't ban straight people. I've picked up a good handful of chicks at them.
No you're wrong. Your few bars are abnormal.
Not only that but they are usually dancing with fit gay dudes who want nothing to do with them. They get hornier as time passes and eventually want to get fucked. She will pick up on you being straight from across the room and either come over or signal to you. I pulled chicks from gay bars on a few occasions simply by being the only straight fit guy in the club (was only there with friends who were getting some drugs lol)
Yeah but if women really wanted to go to gay bars a lot, women's only bars would sprout up all over the place. The number of women in gay bars are outnumbered by women in strait bars 20:1.
and bars would see sales drop in half, as a large majority are purchased by men for women.
Haha I've said this before
They're illegal (at least in the US) - public accommodations can't discriminate by gender.
Girls emotions are on a roller-coaster at times. It's just the way they are.
It's freaking ridiculous and it's one of the reasons why it's not exactly easy to get laid. Despite being called good looking, keeping myself in good shape and all that.
Myself and other guys have experienced it SO many times where a chick is into you, you are doing all the right things in escalating and you are making out and dancing. The next minute, she needs to go to the bathroom/talk to some friends and for whatever reason, she tries to avoid you like the plague when you approach her again, even though she was all over you on the dance floor.
It's why I believe that getting laid many times has to do with a huge number of variables that are out of your control.
Who knows. Maybe she stubbed her toe in the bathroom and nows she’s pissed. Maybe her frienemy Suzie saw her making out with you and started talking mad shit to the rest of her crew. Maybe she got a text from her mom that her cat puked on the floor. Maybe Chad sent her a dick pic and you got bumped to backup plan.
Outcome independence is the only way to handle this. You can do everything right and still lose. That’s life. Take the L gracefully and move on.
That's definitely true and outcome independence is something I definitely do a lot, but it's definitely tougher if you haven't gotten laid in a while and you feel like this chick will go home with you and it doesn't happen.
Legit reasons I would (in the past) potentially be the woman at the bar you're describing:
1) Bad breath 2) Dudes too drunk 3) I'm too drunk 4) Chemistry wasn't there 5) I realise I'm ditching my friends and get my priorities in line 6) Dudes not that funny/interesting/hot/engaging as originally thought
Girls looking for any reason not to fuck you, while guys looking for any reason to fuck you.
Should all of the above not be figured out quickly before the ladies have their tongues down the lads throat or is the horse normally put before the cart before the realization kicks in?
She was into you; you validated her; you showed thirst = she no longer needs you and you are creepy
were women always like this before social media?
Yes, even before social media. I'm 35, so I think I've experienced both extremes during my dating life, so that's not to say that there aren't any differences... there are differences, but the validation seeking behavior and the other aspects are universal to all-time. If you want to get a glimpse and read what game (and how sad blue pill conditioning is) was like 15 years ago, read "the game" by neil strauss
Ill take a look at that book, but more specifically:
-Were women always this flake prone?
-Do you think it is easier or harder for men in the internet era (and particularly the social media era) to see through the standard lies that women use to coerce beta behaviours and hide 80/20 than it was before? (ie the bullshit they say like looks dont matter, just be yourself, women dont like sex that much, hiding womens attraction to psychopaths, etc, etc, etc.)
-Did women always have that weird sort of game where they lead on thirsty men and consider themselves to have won if the guy showed his thirst?
Do you think anything has changed in the last 15 years? Strauss wrote that book for a mainstream audience, so he wrote it to read like a romantic comedy - a guy gives it all up for the girl he loves.
I don't even think game has changed that much, though I haven't read that book for a while - the only difference I can think of is that people used routines a lot more then.
That's a really good point. I wonder how many chicks literally go out just to make out with guys, so that they feel validated while not being feeling like a slut, because she didn't sleep with that dude.
She will make out with your average joe, but will only sleep with who she feels is much higher value. I feel like it's a common occurrence. It's so easy to get the makeout session, only to go home by yourself.
"Games people play" is a book I didn't read, but for what I read in the web seems to describe this kind of games from the females in one of their examples, if anyone did read it confirm
I did read. It's called rapo.
Answer: all of them! Women DON'T CARE about sex like men do. They care about attention, social status, and being able to get high status men.
I've had women flirt, pull the your a major creep move in front of other people and then later try to resume flirting while going out of their way to speak to me. I think that its a particular Western learned behavior that is downright clinical. Its an extremely short-term optimization of value. Speaking with a man makes her feel good, rejecting him in front of people makes her feel as though she gained status and then depending on how he reacted she might want to go back for more one-on-one. I want to emphasize that this is not a global behavior. Women do not exhibit this exact duplicitous behavior everywhere on the planet.
[edit] Also its downright laughable when women who work in the service industry do this and I need to do things like pay a bill or book another night.
Women are the same everywhere. I've seen this in two other countries
Yeah, well which countries? I propose that this particular back and forth where she attempts to show everyone that you are creepy trash only happens in Westernized cities and perhaps some capital cities with lots of exposure to tourists.
this is right on the money
You are right but also if you up your game slightly, brased on what you are saying, you will close better.
Definitely. I think that's something I really am going to try and improve on the next 12 months. My social skills and overall "game." I tend to me more introverted so while I have been with a number of women, it's something that's harder for me at times.
It’s because the friends talked her out of it. Women require consensus.
I'm a big believer in once you think you can get a phone number, get it and bail. Have something better to do, whatever. You want to leave them wanting more.
Not so good if you are going for the same night lay, but I have always found it easier to go out, get some numbers, and have a side chick to go to and bang.
I had an epiphany about this a couple years ago when I was travelling in Europe because it kept happening to me. I would be totally hitting it off with a girl, we'd have hands all over each other, good conversation, laughing and would usually make out. And at one point they would go to the washroom or with their friends or something and basically act like I didn't exist.
At first I would always go up to them and try to keep it going and would usually get shut down one way or another. THIS KEPT FUCKING HAPPENING! Probably about 10-15 times with different girls.
So, I was thinking about it a lot needless to say. I figured it was a combination of me being a little too drunk and aggressive. So I decided that the next time it happened, I would let the girl go away and just pretend like she didn't exist. Lo and behold! It worked fucking perfectly.
Usually after about 15-30 minutes they would come back to me and usually be even more all over me than before. I would take most of them home. I eventually figured out that it wasn't that I was too drunk or aggressive it was that I was take-home material and they wanted to make sure I wasn't a creep/needy. It's just another shit test. Leave him for a bit, and if he follows you around, just stands there staring at you or some other needy shit, he's not worth taking home. On the other hand if he just goes on having a good time, talking and dancing with other people and basically forgets about you he's probably safe to take home.
You know, you might be on to something, because something similar happened and it stuck out to me. One night out about a year ago, I was dancing with this chick who was into me. I don't think we made out yet, but she had to go somewhere.
I ended up just having a good time the rest of the night, instead of approaching her right away because quite simply, I didn't know where she was. I ran into her towards the end of the night and I approached her. I guess we talked and we ended up leaving together, went to my place and got laid. Crazy thing is that I didn't know her name until we got back to my place.
The tough aspect is showing enough interest, but not too much interest where you look desperate. Definitely gonna try your method more to see what kind of results I get. Your epiphany definitely makes sense.
It's not strange or mysterious at all. She's not even being fickle. She just doesn't want to increase her N count and she doesn't want to be seen as a slut by her friends. All of society has sold people on the idea of casual sex but women don't even care about sex - they care about attention and being able to get high status men.
Also weak arms. One of the many defects of their kind.
They go talk to their friends for approval after getting a free drink from you. If friends say no, cold shoulder ensues.
Interesting point, but I don't buy drinks for women I don't know on a night out.
Or whatever the case is, after she dances with you, makes out with you, blah blah.
That's very true. Cockblocking friends are literally the worst and in my mid 20s, remember all those instances not just recently, but in college how many times I got cockblocked by the friends of a chick who seemed DTF.
The reverse also works in the sense that if her friends approve or even better, say you're hot or something similar that ignites a competition feeling inside the girl, prepare yourself to be pounced.
An unspoken game gem is the ability to charm groups of people. If you can charm a few girls at once while leaving a bit of mystery, it's shooting fish in a barrel. It also isn't as difficult as it may seem to some. People that are successful in sales jobs or work a job like bartender will slay in this regard.
Yes. And we have all the tools in our DNA if you have enough sexual energy to trigger that transmutation
Never understood men buying drink for women, WTF? Even back in my younger days (I don't do clubs) meet lady, hey buy me a drink, I'd say, you buy me a fucking drink. Yes, 7/10 times the lady would be gone. By weeding out the fuckers who make a career out of men buying them drinks at least you know you won't spend the night paying for her to drink while she goes home with some other lad.
The amount of times I seen my mates buy chicks drink only for her to go home with some other guy was amazing and then my mates are like, WTF???
When I'd tell a chick no on her drink and she insisted, I'd simply say, listen love, if I'm going to pay for it, i'll head down the road and find someone who deserves my money, as for now, I don't know you, again most would be like, fuck you man, I'd be like bye bye but some would be a bit impressed by my stance and I'd get laid, while my buddy is a 100 + Euro out of his pocket while his girl is sucking of some other dude at the end of the night.
Something like this happened to me on a tinder date last night.
Things were going well at the bar, made some light kino just touching her thigh and putting my arm around her.. No kiss yet though. The girl invited me back to her place to smoke weed which is usually code for sex from my experience.
We spark a bowl, talk a little bit about some random bullshit like what we're doing for thanksgiving and stuff. I lock prolonged eye contact and go for the kiss. She's receptive but then gets super weird and just says "ok I'm going to bed now goodnight"
Then I just left. Probably a shit test I failed, but whatever.. The vibe felt like she was offended I kissed her. I'm not gonna risk a sexual assault allegation just to pass a shit test, so I left.
how sorry I am for you pals in the US. The sick feminist culture effectively cockblocks you. Ridiculous.
Yeah, this whole feminist culture has gotten out of control. Just hitting on a woman who doesn't find you attractive, runs the risk of having you be considered creepy, which is the worst thing you can call a man. I would be curious to see how the chick would react if dinnerbro69 were to try and hit her up again.
Hey pal: You kiss like shit or your breath stank.
I was making out with a chick at a club and and fingering her. She cums and then says she needs to go say hi to her friends. So I go to the bar to get us some drinks. I come back and she friggin' ignores me, turns her back to me, and acts like I'm being a creep. So, I'm like WTF?
She doesn't mind being a slut, she just doesn't want her friends to find out and tell hubby.
Glad I'm not the only one who experiences this. Such a mind fuck, no matter how much confidence you had that night or how much fun you were having.
I have also had many times the woman who will ask ME for my number. We exchange numbers and she acts adamant about meeting up. You try hitting her up and it never happens. I think only one or two women I met on a night out at a bar/club who asked for my number, actually resulted in another meet up.
Well don't make her cum - you gotta leave her hanging
I'd walk around talking to guys... point at her... hold my finger out so the guys can sniff it... and then ask the guys to give a thumbs up/down while we look at her.
the whole club would get a sniff of her. lol.
/j
That's kinda what I did. I went back over to my friends with my drinks, gave one to my buddy and asked if anyone wants to sniff my finger because, you see that bitch over there? Yeah? I just fingered her.
you sound like a real charmer, you probably gave her a shitty vibe or something. girls can read guys fairly well
She could read him well enough to let him finger her before he started telling everybody in the bar that he fingered her?
I've only ever experienced this particular duplicity in women from Western Europe, North America and Australia. I experienced this with a few Polish woman four years ago and my good American friend over in those parts was getting around ten years before me and he says that it is definitely a new thing. It doesn't happen yet in Ukraine but its likely only a few years away from occurring in L'viv, Ukraine. Its a particular kind of insane duplicity, which is a learned behavior.
Yep. I live in the United States and this is pretty common. Which is why even when I'm making out with a chick and she seems into me, I try to get my hopes up too much, thinking I will get laid that night.
It's interesting because a lot of times, the chick isn't crazy hot. I remember a chick from Brazil who I used to bang. Met her off tinder and she was doing a foreign exchange program of sorts for a couple of years in the United States. Body was really good, face could be better, but things were so much easier with her, than with American chicks who weren't as attractive. Sex was also so much better.
Experiences like this have made me realize that if women were simply better than guys would be grabbing them left and right and for keeps. I prefer 8.5s all day long but an awesome 7.5 can be a keeper as well if she has a few things about her that are 9s and she knows how to get me hard with a look and can drain more fluids out of me than I knew I had.
Very true and this happened 2-3 years ago. Got to do tons of different sex positions, fucked in the shower, cuddle naked, etc. At a certain point, had sex with condoms (a lot better and didn't catch anything or get her pregnant luckily) She had to move back to Brazil, but I will cherish the experiences that we had and it was strictly fuck buddies.
Looking back on it, she was also pretty feminine both in appearance and the way she acted. Had a very refreshing "feminine spirit" that's missing in a lot of women. I'm sure I got some shit tests in the past, but nothing extreme like American women throw at you, even if you are much better looking.
This reminds me of this female doctor that I used to work with. I remember she was talking about a patient that came in crying of rape. Supposedly, she met a guy on Craigslist for a nanny job for her child (lol). She met up with him in a remote location, they went to a motel, and he "raped" her in front of her child.
The first thing out of the doctor's mouth (to me in private): "If she actually was raped, she put herself in that position. Don't feel bad for her."
Major red pill dropped from someone that identifies as a feminist. I was floored (and pleasantly surprised).
You have to accept in this world, bad people exist. Be in murderess, muggers, thieves and rapists. We are therefore encouraged to reduce the likelihood of being a victim. You lock your house, your car, you don't carry wads of cash on you. All except for women who can do everything they want.
If you go park your car in a bad area with cash on the seat and leave the windows down wtf you think is going to happen.
Exactly. Thank god that I've met women that don't have their heads completely up their asses about these things. They are in the minority though. After all, it is easier to be a "victim" in our society and it is heavily rewarded.
I would rather stay away from outright victim blaming. She could be buck naked and meeting Rob A. Pist at rape o'clock in Rape, Rapistan and she still doesn't deserve to get raped. She's a complete idiot and needs to be told as much in no uncertain terms, but she still doesn't deserve it.
This is a place where the coddling of women and the feminist narrative actually hurts real people. They spend so much of their lives having security created for them and being told they can get/deserve everything that they do not realize just how harsh and dangerous the real world is.
Yup. Men in the US are not coddled like women are (though we're all coddled to a certain degree) so we have a better understanding of this.
That's not victim blaming. She was probably making it up. She fucked the guy and felt bad about it.
Could be, but one thing to be careful of, especially if shes a feminist, you may be inadvertently showing signs of being into Red Pill thinking, and her telling you that is a way of baiting you into agreeing so she can trash your reputation behind your back.
Well, I don't work with her anymore. She knew my views and actually even saved my ass a few times.
Second wave feminist; we need more of them.
Yup. My mother is like that too. She was shocked when I started telling her about these things and didn't believe it. After reading extensively about it and observing things around her under a new lens, she is completely disgusted.
It was an interesting transformation to watch.
As far as that woman goes (described in my earlier post), she still swore up and down that I was exaggerating. Interestingly, she recently gave birth to a son. Unless things change significantly for the better in the next 20 years, she's in for a rude awakening.
Good to know they're out there.
Yeah they're out there, but I'm short supply.
Never fall for straight talk bait. Make your agreement unspoken.
Very relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QNw1LRJv4
I love Dave Chappelle. That clip is too true.
I respect the right for women to dress as they want, but if I dress to attract gay people, and go to a gay bar, then I'm quite sure some gays will try to make up with me. That doesn't means, they have the right to grope me. But if they grope me I wont go to the news for that. I mean, duh.
Now this sexual harassment thing, the Weinstein effect, is something else. It's a witch hunt. People are attacking anyone with mere allegations, and also attacking people that defends them. Classical witch hunt pattern.
I don't care if these Hollywood celebrities are guilty or not.
It's good either way because it's bringing down a franchise and organization that played a top part in the social engeneering game.
It is simply being replaced with other social engineering.
Exactly. Big wigs come down, another one replace them.
If you think feminists or women at the top are better human beings than men, you are for a big surprise in life.
Silicon Valley is filling the vacuum. Check the_donald on Twitter's latest shenanigans to police 'hate speech'. They're banning people who speak of thought crimes or visit unapproved places outside Twitter, using cookies I presume. Always delete cookies (not just history) before and after going to social media or accounts with your real name.
I use uBlock Origin and uMatrix. uBlock applies a broad brush to things that you likely have a 99.9% chance of never wanting to see. Then uMatrix has a button which opens up a matrix of things that you can enable for that domain. There is a bit of training involved in getting it to work with your sites. The upside is that you will get a feel for how websites are being put together and how they use CDNs and javascript frameworks. Most websites try to load a shit ton of garbage and it is at first difficult to know what it all is but after using similar tech for some years I can usually allow the minimum resources to load on the first try.
Then if you really want to have a secure policy then you can add RequestPolicy as well. Its very cumbersome to use though.
Every iteration brings progress
There was a time when it was relevant to ask a rape 'victim', "What were you wearing?" There was also a time when a woman who was inebriated bore at least as much responsibility for her actions as a drunk man.
Sadly, those times are gone.
Now, a woman can engage in wholly consensual sex, decide the next morning that she regrets it, and somehow that is now rape.
The same is not true of men. I regret fucking several of the girls I've tagged. From the manager of the business I worked for who ended up firing me later (Don't shit where you eat, kids), to the fatty that broke a six month dry spell, to the ex-wife of twenty years I thought was a partner. None of them raped me. At that time and in that place I was a more than willing participant.
This is why I have stated in no uncertain terms that the modern girl had best get used to being video recorded while fucking. If she doesn't like the idea, she can leave.
There was a time when a woman who was drunk bore as much responsibility for her actions as a man who was inebriated. Sadly, those times are gone.
I've thought of keeping a nanny cam with a mic in my room just so I have evidence if I ever get accused.
No reason not to. Make sure you live in a one-party notification state. But it's better to be accused of recording under false pretenses than rape.
That video won't be admissible in that case, so prepare to be accused of rape AND recording under false pretenses.
Bullshit it isn't. You have video evidence that the rape did not occur. Any prosecutor trying for a rape conviction would be disbarred for malfeasance.
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"Recording under false pretenses"??? LOL.
I've thought of working out and studying a LOT.
i dont agree with the "what are you wearing" aspect. clothing is just clothing, its not a "please grope me" sign. this is why kino tests work in escalation. on the other hand, if you are in a packed area with obviously inebriated people you are going to get touched, and rubbed up on.
i do agree with you on the self responsibility aspect. being drunk doesnt excuse you from driving. it doesnt exclude you from vandalizing, there is no way it should be excusing you from having sex. a girl getting molested when shes blackout drunk is just as responsible as a guy getting his ass poked when blackout drunk. if you werent drugged (which can be tested) it's your responsibility to take care of yourself. it is just as possible to deny as it is to consent in a blacked out state.
Interesting you should say that. Has that ever happened? Ever? I mean a "straight guy" gets blackout drunk, kisses a guy, goes to his bedroom, takes off his clothes, sucks his dick.....and then get's "raped."
Really puts these "allegations" in a fresh light when you think of it liike that but the conclusion is still the same- total bullshit.
There was a BBC show where they did a reenactment of a scene, a dude at a party stayed late with this chick, they had previously done 'stuff', he asks to sleep on the couch with her, her friend is upstairs and he ends up 'putting his dick in her mouth' the whole thing is ridiculous, basically the program makes out like it was rape. Some dude tried to put his dick in your mouth imagine what would happen. Her friend was just upstairs too she could have done anything, but apparently she 'froze' ... Maybe if some guy jumped out of a bush in an alley with a knife I could maybe understand freezing in fear, but at a party with a guy you know in your friends house when there is help in another room wtf.
This was, I believe, a defense against a regret rape false allegation.
i wouldnt be surprised. a judge might lean more towards law but a jury will most likley lean towards humanity. they will judge by emotion instead of reason. a lawyer tries to appeal to both aspects. thats why one gets to select the jury, to control the direction of the case.
I've had a gigantic shadenboner for weeks now, ever since the Weinstein shitshow started (probably should see a doctor for it). Hollywood, popular culture, politics, all taken over by the left, who has hectored, lectured and persecuted people with traditional values and social mores for decades, turns out to be the very cesspool of rape, sexism, and misogyny it has railed against. Who knew?
We knew, that's who. As if all the young, starry-eyed tarts who show up in Hollywood didn't know about the casting couch. As if the eager poly-sci majors who show up on Capitol Hill don't know powerful men get what they want, and many women want to give it to them.
See where the denial of human nature has gotten them all? All their grrrl power has reached the point of "But he...he...he asked me out. Three times! He rubbed up against me!"
There was a time not so far back that women told such men to simply fuck off, after which most guys did and simple pursued someone else. They tossed all those rules away, and they're now living with the results.
just wait another 6 months and no one remember a thing. kevin spacey will be back acting, i mean look at chris brown and roman polanski
The bad thing is, not only did they know, they are the ones who used it to further their careers. Now, they are getting all offended by it. Once they have made their bucks.
Women are destroyers.
They will drive a steak into the barely beating heart of our civilization if we let them.
They have punished and disincentivized men so much that our population was declining BEFORE all this Me To Rape culture bullcrap. Half the women are crying Hashtag Me Too and the other half are crying 'why won't men man up and marry/approach/date me? Could there be a connection?
While i don't condone what has happened with all these guys, most of hollywood disgusts me when you think about it. These people sign NDAs, and keep their assault quiet in the interest of self preservation. Allow these individuals to go on for years without uttering so much as a peep about it. The second someone truly comes out and destroys the perp, suddenly, all these other people jump out in condemnation when their added testimony does little at this point.
I really wish Patrice were alive to comment on this. The Hollywood industry and women were his bread and butter. His whole speech on being swallowed into the belly of the monster is excellent listening and provides some much needed context to how that industry really works.
Talent ain't got a thing to do with it.
Prime example of inexperienced humans who suddenly gained too much power.
Welcome to 2017 where women getting raped and harassed with their clothes on while they are in a club.
End of rant.
lots of women are just fickle... for whatever reason.
i don't pay any attention to those types one they show their hand. next.
The bottom line is, and to some degree this is even re-enforced by the feminist propaganda, girls do not have agency. It is best to just accept it and deal with this crap on a situational basis.
They simply don't have agency - this is the importent part even if they think they have it.
They don't have a type, they rarely have a passion and first and foremost they are the sex only thinking about sex. Clothes, make-up, certain friends, hobbies etc all of that exist for a girl so she can be approached, hooked up with or get rid off men.
I am not saying this as an anger-phaser I am past that point. But in its core every issue you have with women's attitudes, opinions and the like is based on the lack of agency. This is were the rule of thumb advise "treat them like children" comes from. A child wants to learn Karate and be a white Mr. Myabi and in the next second wants to be an astronaut only to be pissed at you for not throwing money at them for their ever changing preferred pleasures.
While I agree with a portion of your mother's sentiment, I don't think people should be able to just touch whoever they want. If the girl is attracted to you and wants you to touch her, great. Touch away. If not, don't. If they tell you to stop, stop. I err on the side of not touching people.
And obviously it's situational. If you're dancing in a club and someone brushes up against you, that's life. Don't like it? Don't dance in clubs. It was a foreseeable outcome.
But if I'm at work and someone comes over and starts rubbing my shoulders and arms I'm probably going to have an issue with it.
I've experienced unwanted touches and it's not fun. There's a certain level of decency we should treat one another with and not touching people who don't want to be touched, not harassing people verbally, etc. Is part of that.
I forsee an age where men start to band together and form companies so they can work without the risk of a lawsuit.. I also forsee a future where men refuse to be alone with a female co-worker in order to avoid lawsuits.
I'm not sure if that's the reason, but I remember Mike Pence saying that he won't dine alone with a woman who wasn't his wife and people were outraged.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/30/mike-pence-doesnt-dine-alone-with-other-women-and-were-all-shocked/?utm_term=.2427e6e4c288
All this stuff coming out, I feel sorry for both sides.
Girls are gonna have the man of their dreams try it on, she’s gonna act aloof and distant like she thinks she’s meant to, and he’s gonna move on because he doesn’t wanna push and get arrested.
And guys, well fuck. I don’t even know where flirting will end up in 10-15 years.
About a year ago today I asked a girl out over Tinder while I was at work. I was working doing maintenance at a university, she was studying AT A DIFFERENT UNIVERSITY.
She took me asking her out as sexual harassment. She informed her university, which informed the university I was working at, and I was thrown off the job.
The company was going to fire me, but luckily I had family in the business so they moved me onto another site. But had I not I was told in no uncertainty, I would have been fired.
Wow that takes don't shit where you eat to a whole new level. Then again you were a contractor and can be walked off for any reason.
Surprisingly most people In the U.S. don't realize that, unless you're part of some kind of union, you are almost certainly employed at-will.
At-will employment means you can be fired immediately for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all. Boss doesnt like your face? Wants to hire his cousin with no experience? You're gone. Nothing you can do about it.
Doesn't matter if you're a contractor or employee. Only exception would be if your employment contract indicates something else, but this is very rare and 99% explicitly state you're being employed at-will.
Even if he was union, he was working for a contractor working at a customer site. If the customer wants you off the job, you are off that job. The contractor now has to find you a job and resolve the issue with the union, it is no longer the customers problem. If said worker shows up, he's arrested for trespassing. A university often has its own police force with FULL police powers, especially large land grant state schools.
If this is a small business set aside contract, the university has massive leverage over the contractor. It can withhold payment until the offending employee is removed even if the company backs his worker.
If the union decides to strike, the contracting company is now in breach of contract. The customer is now free to hire a new contractor to do the work using scabs, sue for breach of contract etc... Given that this a sexual harassment case even the union and your union brothers will hang you out to dry to keep their jobs.
Those girls dress like that for their careers. They want to be rich and admired by as many people as possible, but not groped or raped. I'm so surprised that the mother of a sexist is also sexist
Dropped harder than Hiroshima
All these bitches weren't complaining or filing lawsuits when they were benefiting and getting famous.
Now a bunch of wash-ups or others trying to get the spotlight back on themselves for a bit.
It is wise to view these issues through the lens of the law, since being arrested and for inappropriate behavior, whether accessed justly or unjustly is the biggest risk you taking when initiating a sexual relationship with a women. I'm not a lawyer, but I understand there to be two ways the law deals with this:
Sexual Harassment: Harassment is basically a precursor to stalking. The idea is that if you won't leave someone alone when they tell you to, next you might creep on their social media, then stop by their work, then park outside their house. This kind of behavior often precedes assault or worse.
Harassment can be a criminal offense but typically the court will issue a protective order to stay away from the victim temporarily for 2 weeks, which can then be requested that it become permanent, lasting one year. If it is sexually then it increases the chances of an assault occurring, therefore the court is more severe with those cases.
Sexual Assault: This is defined as touching someone in a sexual way, groping, grabbing ass, kissing etc, without consent. Some states like California require a verbal yes as consent and others consider it consent if the person does not say no. This is much more serious and has a higher likelihood of conviction. However, you are still Innocent until proven in the USA, unlike the court of public opinion or University campuses, many of which are required to have their own judicial system to review Harassment cases.
It is important than men know the law so that they can not only protect themselves but also use it as a guideline for their behavior on moral and ethical grounds. I would love to hear from anyone knowledgeable about the law concerning these topics; to correct any errors, or to offer details or advice.
Sexual harassment doesn’t have to be a repeated event; one single comment to the wrong person at the wrong time IS harassment. And the important part to understand is that breaking these “social laws” can come with severe penalties (loss of job, kicked out of school... etc. ) without any sort of actual legal due process. Just as the burden of proof is less for civil trials than criminal trials, the burden of proof in the court of public opinion is most often simply an accusation. Scary.
The only thing a female finds worse than being harassed for her looks, is when it finally stops.
naw dude it isn't ok to rape people or grope people sorry man thats some disgusting shit
No one said or even implied that it was ok to rape or grope women. Go practice your white knight skills against straw men in another sub.
Of course it's not ok. What she essentially said was that you need to be responsible for yourself and be vocal about saying no.
Classic "post wall hag." Sorry it has to be your mom, literally. It's tongue in cheek. But yeah, women eventually wake up when they're forced to confront their situation.
The ones that don't become the angry cat lady, but most women reach a sort of compromise with themselves.
I feel like the male equivalent is when you think back to all the ridiculous shit you did and how you didn't get arrested. But at the time you were just having some "harmless fun" when you burned down that warehouse with your friends by accident.
You don't think about the person who owned the building, the insurance company, the cat that may or may not have made it out alive. For years you say it was actually their fault they left it open, and who would let a 16 year old in there and have gas cans laying around.
Moms are full of red pill truths. She’s one of the only women that you can mostly trust to have your interests in mind. It’s one more way for her to care for her babies.
My favorite from my mom was “if they don’t help you pay your bills then fuck em.” A few months after my divorce I was sitting with my mom at a family thing and she says so you seeing anybody? I said there’s a couple gals, nothing too serious. She says ahh a fuckbuddy’s all you need anyway. I laugh and reply I’ll drink to that, mom.
I fucking love that woman. Coming up on her 70s before too long. I’m old enough now to appreciate her experience and wisdom. Still have to run her advice through my own my filters because she is a woman and solipsism still applies. I am willing to take it under advisement and pick out the good parts.
Maybe I misunderstood you, but my Mom would be a good example of a red-pilled woman, and does not fit the classic "post wall hag". She has strong moral values, stayed home to raise my older sisters, now works part-time, doesn't encourage slutty behavior from my sisters, works out everyday, and looks at least 10 years younger than her age of mid fifties.
Sure, she just got there much faster. It's not pajorative to your mom, it's descriptive of female growth. Just like AWALT applies to her too.
My mom was RP AF as well... that's why we used to laugh at dad's betaness and SJW attitude :')
Women know that men behave like this (not saying this is right), but they still decide to dress in a way that would get some nasty individuals groping them and then go cry afterwards that they have been groped. They fail to adapt to the environment, they want the environment to adapt to them.
They want to flaunt the big juicy stake in front of wolves without getting chewed to shreds, which is fucking idiotic.
How hard is it to keep your hands to yourself? Just because someone dresses provocatively doesn't mean it's a free pass to touch them. This whole thread makes no sense.
Are you really this fucking stupid or do you just enjoy thread shitting? Where the fuck is anyone saying it is ok to just grab people?
Yeah I thought one of the points of red pill was to be in control of yourself. But all these guys seem to relish having an excuse for bad behaviour.
If you agree that "She was asking for it," then you're also saying you lack self control, and other people influence your actions way too much.
Some of these girls were 13. And some were not women at all. Fucking Terry Cruise was groped, and even he said it was hard to talk about it due to the shame.
Very few women are capable of thinking for themselves. Just a public service reminder:
Women are incapable of empathy and are herd creatures largely incapable of thinking for themselves.
My mom was RP AF as well... that's why we used to laugh at dad's betaness and SJW attitude :')